The Firehose of Falsehood OVERDOSE Ep 17

We continue the conversation we’ve been having for several weeks on the conspiracy theories surrounding Charlie Kirk’s assassination and what that has to do with a Russian propaganda technique called The Firehose of Falsehood.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:58):
Hello, and welcome to Overdose, episode seventeen. We are usually
behind the paywall on Thursday nights, but we're not find
out paywall tonight, so I don't know if we are
going to be primarily chatting on Rumble or on locals.
I guess we'll just let the chat beside on both. Yeah,
I will probably primarily look at whichever one is the

(01:20):
most SAT says, I'm driving home from work late late.
Oh no, that's not ideal. So I started this a
couple of minutes earlier, and now I'm thinking maybe I
shouldn't have because I don't want to play the initial
video and tell everybody is here, because it introduces the

(01:42):
important concept. Well, then let's take two minutes to saying
radioact different from Walmart. I'm just kidding, let's not. But
we can we can fill a buster a little bit.
So we've been having this conversation. We've we've we've brought
up this converse. I've brought up this conversation in two
prior episodes to this one. Yes, when we were when

(02:05):
Liz was playing Little Inferno, I talked about it and
then what was the title, Oh, it was just it
was the chatting John's news Rapture Charlie one. So if
you've been kind of following along, you know that I've
been wrestling with these topics of how far is too

(02:29):
far when it comes to conspiracy theory, and I would
like tonight to come up with some sort of terminology.
Bless you, sorry, because I don't like I don't like
hearing myself putting down conspiracy thinking because I know what
I mean by that, but it just gets all messy

(02:50):
because I have come to the point where I'm like,
not all conspiracy theorizing is the same, not all of
this whatever is the same. And we run into this
problem where the CIA originally came up with the term
conspiracy theory as a pejorative to put down people who
were going, like, hey, what is with the UFOs and

(03:11):
they're all this stuff, And so there's this long history
of using this phrase, and after the CIA, you know,
the mainstream media, a lot of normies use it to
put down people who are pushing theories of whatever sort.
And we all went through twenty twenty together, and I've
been I think conspiracy theorists get very sensitive about this,

(03:34):
and I have gotten very sensitive about this. I'm not
trying to put anyone down for getting sensitive about this,
where it's like, I'm so tired of you calling me
stupid or crazy or yet exciting me or whatever, putting
me down as a conspiracy theorist, using this as a
pejorative saying that all conspiracy theories about all of this stuff.
Obviously we don't agree with that. We all went through
twenty twenty. We all watched things go from oh, that's

(03:56):
just a conspiracy theory to really well established reality with
lightning speed, and I think people got into this mindset.
I know people got into this mindset where it's like, well, yeah,
all the conspiracy theories are coming true at like speed,
so of course they're all true, and they were always
going to be true, and there's never going to be

(04:17):
a bad actor pushing conspiracy theories and there's never going
to be a line where it's too far. And the
word conspiracy theory automatic or the two words automatically mean
that's true. And we've talked about this a little bit
on the show before, where this concept of like just
you have your your mainstream MSM narrative, right, and then

(04:38):
you have your counter narrative that a conspiracy theorist came
up with and started to push and neither of those
is necessarily true. Like the idea that it's a binary
choice between those two is false. And the I a
bunch of people with this Charlie Kirk thing are still
are treating, still treating the FBI as if it Biden's FBI.

(05:04):
I'm like, like, I'm not. I don't think Trump is God.
I have had my huge criticisms of Trump. He's not
a Democrat. But the idea that by that that Trump's
FBI that would be subverting the truth in the case

(05:30):
of the death of one of Trump's like dear friends, yeah,
is wild to me. And yeah, they people start to
assume the fa exists only to subvert the truth, not
that it is the corrupt UH department that has will
do that sometimes. Right, Right, There's a lot of things

(05:52):
that don't make sense to me about the way things
are going, and I want to fully discuss it tonight. Okay,
it does look like most of our chatters are going
to be in rumble tonight, so I'm going to call it.
I'm going to call it for rumble. We've got variable,
You're going to call it for rumble as an I

(06:12):
am going to primarily look at the rumble because I
can only really keep one up to look at out
of the corner of my eye. So yeah, that would
be good. We've got Karmi Cat, We've got Grincess, We've
got incoherence. Yes, we are all still here. No rapture,
although I did here that they push the date again,

(06:33):
which too, it's like, just just have some humility, like,
have the humility to say I predicted a date, I
was wrong. I'm sorry. See you next rush shot, which
is what makes it clear that they're not legitimate in
my opinion, well not the only thing that makes it

(06:53):
clear to be. Yeah, but but this time, like normally
they just go, oh, maybe next year, but this one,
this rapture, like the I guess the main guy like
readd the math or whatever and predicted it for another
few days. I don't I don't even know what we're
talking about now. I don't think anybody believes him but
him anymore. But m hm, who did I miss he missed? Variable?

(07:18):
He says that he is. No, I said him first,
Did you I miss that too? Maybe I said it
in my heart. It is entirely possible that I had
had did that, because if you don't acknowledge him, then
he's not here and everyone has to shun him in chat.
It is the thought that counts. As I am told, yes,

(07:38):
Variable is indeed here, and then Satya was over in
the locals chat but in time out, well he's driving
so heat yeah we see you, Sata. Well oh yeah yeah, Variable,
I said, yeah, oh did it? Yeah? Yeah, Okay, I'm
not crazy. I am crazy clearly. Okay, So I have

(07:59):
a lot of the I want to get to tonight,
and I really am not certain on the order. So
this is just going to be a conversation you guys.
I want you to know that I'm struggling with this.
I'm working through this, and I think I hope that
you know me. We got a really nasty comp We
got a really nasty one star review from someone who

(08:19):
was like, I've listened to every episode up to now,
and now you're calling us crazy conspiracy theorist. How dare you?
And I was like, if you've listened to every episode
and you don't know me better than that, I don't
know what to say to you. Yeah, but I am
aware that as I am working through these thoughts that
there's probably going to be little sound bites where sometimes

(08:41):
you're going to be like, WHOA, why did she say that? Well,
and I did call out that comment or which I
stand by what I said. But yeah, and the emotions
have been heightened around this. The other thing is that
I am feeling a really heavy There's two things that
are happening. One, I think that what's happening around the

(09:01):
conspiracy theory stuff, around the Charlie Kirk thing is really evil,
and I'm gonna call it out as evil. Not that
being a conspiracy theorist is evil, not that having a
theory asking questions, of course, of course I don't think that.
But what is happening what I've been watching in the
last few weeks is evil, and so we stand by
that to say that. But it's also really dangerous for

(09:25):
you guys. Yeah, and this is the thing that I
have been seeing for the last year and is getting
more and more urgent. And I'm more and more like
desperate to figure out how to tell you or you
because I feel like I have I'm sure you guys
would have all have been into conspiracy theories without this show,
but I have been a part of leading you down

(09:46):
down these paths, and now I'm suddenly realizing we got
to go back, like this is a bad pad. Last
year you did the conspiracy of conspiracies or whatever the
idea of to clarify my comment last time, to make
it more I think for people, if you can't tell
how that you've gone too far, if you can't tell
that point of too far down that path, you are

(10:06):
going into craziness because there's a line and you've Yeah,
I think I've identified the line, and I want I
want to I want to draw that really clearly tonight,
and I want to toss around some ideas for some
terminology for what one side of the line should be

(10:26):
called them, what the other side should be called, because
it shouldn't all be called conspiracy thinking. And I think
a clear definition, a clear way to know if someone
is too far is if they deny that there is
a line anywhere. That's a good point. Yeah, sometimes I
make them because I know I'm not the only one
in the conspiracy space who's starting to go like, oh
oh boy, like we've something's gone wrong here. I've gone

(10:49):
too far, I've gone down too too far down the
rabbit hole. There's a at least one, if not more
than one kind of conspiracy Instagram account who's gone, like
I need to just talk about Jesus for a while,
because yeah, well, and there is even that Lebel verse
about not getting too caught up in conspiracies. Yeah, I
have another set of versus to show you tonight as well.

(11:13):
Carmi had a question. She said, is anyone familiar with
Spencer Smith? I watched some of his videos and he
thinks everything is satanic and it seems like he wants
to find dirt on Charlie Kirk. I'm not familiar with Spencer,
but a massive theme of the root and foundation of
so much of this conspiracy theory stuff that's been going

(11:34):
around with Charlie, the heart of it seems to be
to undermine his legacy, to undermine anyone who could possibly
pick up after him, to undermine t b USA, to
break their spirits, to break their mission, and like just
to break them. And which is why I think it's

(11:56):
so evil. It's like, you're definitely not trying to get
to the truth of who killed Charlie because you care
about Charlie and you want truth and justice. There's definitely
something more in Citi is behind it, and I will
say sorry, I know, I keep kind. I've seen it
in people where there's a way that you've lost touch

(12:19):
with reality when you just approach everything with the assumption
that everyone is lying to you, versus, is this thing
that I'm being told true is a neutral question? What
are you not telling me? What are you lying about?
Is not a neutral question? And I've seen I've seen
it in people. Yeah, I think that there's a couple
different groups of people, even here too, where some people
are are so lost in this sauce, like so down

(12:42):
the rabbit hole that they can't trust anything anymore. They
can't they don't have a good metric for what's true
and what's false, and so everything is false except whatever
it is that like feels good to them. And I
think their metric has become oh this feels right, Ooh,
this rings true, ooh this You know, Candice has been
using like that doesn't rub me the wrong way, This

(13:03):
robs me the wrong way. This rubs me the wrong
way a lot, and it's like, that's not that's not
a metric, that's not a metric truth. If your emotions
are not properly calibrated, they're not going to give you
correct directions. They're just going to give you emotions, right, right,
So let's start with this video up and uh waiting
for people to get here before this. Brooks sent it

(13:24):
to me and I was so thankful for it. The
shout out to Brooke and like the firehouse of fake
and gay if you will, I already, Yeah, I've appreciated
this guy. Uh, he's talked about Charlie a little bit
when he didn't really used to talk about politics at all.
He's not particularly he's not super duper concerned, Like he's

(13:46):
kind of I think in the middle. I want to say,
I'm starting to figure out him and his politics. But
he lost a lot of followers for kind of standing
up for this, and so I really have respected kind
of his position of like it's always meaningful to me
when somebody is willing to lose something in order to
say something. And there's a lot of people who like

(14:06):
to tell you they lost a lot, when in reality
they gained way more than they lost, like Ian Carrol
also side underneath on the bottom of the page the
caption in the video. Fat phobia is one of the
least examined weapons of what pharmacy. Are you saying that
black people are fat? I feel like you're being racist.

(14:28):
But yeah, I've been appreciating this scularly. All right, here
we go, But I still have more to say about this.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
I don't think the truth of who the shooter really
is matters. It does, but in a strange way, it
doesn't bear with me for a sec When the goal
is to destabilize and demoralize people, there is a propaganda
tool called the fire hose of falsehood. They released such
a high volume of information and narratives true, half true, contradictions,

(14:58):
and not true at all, that the public becomes overwhelmed
and unable to sort fact from fiction. He's a liberal,
he's a conservative. His parents are conservatives. His grandma says
he's never shot a gun in his life. Here is
a picture of him with a gun. He's wearing a
Trump shirt. That's a Democratic Socialist of America's shirt. The

(15:19):
other one is AI. You can't take a Mauser rifle
apart that quickly. What about that plane that took off
and disabled this tracking device. The angle of the wound
doesn't make sense. Where is the blood splatter if it
came from that direction? His neck stopped a thirty odd
to six round. What about the old Israeli man who
took the blame to function as a distraction. Wait, you
know there were actually two of them doing that, and

(15:42):
one of them was used in a nine to eleven video.
Did you know the shooter had a trans girlfriend, he
was living with no weight, he was living with his parents,
Charlie was actually speaking out against Israel. No, he was
having recent friendly conversations with Netanyahu. The crack bang analysis
shows that the shooter was probably much closer than the
man they are blaming. Here's our bodycam video of him

(16:03):
talking to a police officer. Here's a video of him
at a restaurant right after the killing. Wait one of
those are AI. Wait no, both of them are a
That's not the same outfit that he was wearing. It
was planned on discord, It was not planned on discord.
There is obviously an objective truth here, and we will
never get it, not until documents are declassified long after

(16:28):
our deaths. So what matters most is what the prevailing
theory is. Because of that is what will influence people
and law, and right now even that is a tossup.
But what we can be sure of is that Charlie
was killed because of his ideas. It could have been you.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
Then he's gonna he launches into a compilation of leftists celebrating.
We've seen them, the one adding in the video up top. Yeah,
he's reacting to his own I think this is like
a longer form podcast. Yeah, this is a longer form
video on YouTube, and he do edit it for the
shorter form content on Instagram. Oh gosh, okay, that makes sense.

(17:15):
So I want I refer you to. So he brought
up this idea of the firehood, far farse firehouse and falsehood.
Then this is a Wikipedia article. The fire hose of
falsehood also knows as known as fire hosing, is a
propaganda technique in which large numbers of messages are broadcast
rapid rapidly, repetitively, and continuously over multiple channels like news

(17:39):
and social media, without regard for truth or consistency. The
fire hose of falsehood is a contemporary model for Russian
propaganda under Russian President Vladimir Putin through some though similar
in some ways, the American tactic of flooding the zone
was shit is distinct from fire hosing in that flooding
involves pushing out initiatives and policies at an overwhelming rate
rather than specifically false. The tactics may be combined. Okay,

(18:05):
So and I disagree with the next paragraph as far
as conclusions or what to do about it, because they're like,
we should stop misinformation, Okay, but that's what's happening, right,
That's what we're all That's what we're all dealing with
with the Charlie Kirk situation that if you take the

(18:28):
aggregate of everyone who's saying something, the lefts are left
saying things the main like the TPUs saying kind of
like the mainstream right wing narrative about Tyler Robinson and
his trans girlfriend and the clear motive and all of that,
and then people like Candice Owens and Ian Carroll and

(18:49):
a bunch of anonymous accounts on Twitter and different accounts
that I've seen it on Instagram, to people just throwing
stuff at the wall. If you just listened to Canis alone,
it's a fire hose. Yeah, there's so much that she's
saying that isn't consistent with itself. She just moves on

(19:11):
to the next thing. And there's stuff I follow a guy.
I'll show you a post from him, Sata, we were
not we were not vibing without you. We would we
were never be vibing without you. Without you, we were
vibing now that you are. I don't even know what

(19:35):
that is? What is that? What did I just posted
the chat? It's so small. It's a Bart Simpson or
Homer Simpson or whatever his name is fading into the background. Okay,
two things I'd like to point out. So Princess says
that Elon Musk is going to build his own Wikipedia,
and she said Growkipedia, and then says, Candace owned. People

(19:57):
do not answer. I was gonna make a really racist joke,
but I don't feel like this is the time she
is the demon who attacked her. Yes, Variable, the colors
are still people. Yeah, Variable, how could you even say that? Honestly?
Guards seem mod Get this racist done than chat? Oh boy? No,

(20:27):
my goodness, milk Bar TV is a really good That's
an upsetting name. I'm not gonna why is it called?
His name is Nathan Livingstone? His here. I'll go ahead
and just share this now. There's no particular order I
have to share anything in I can't see. You cannot
see what do you mean you cannot see Nathan Livingstone.

(20:52):
He does really good work. He he chases down clips
from people's shows and keeps track of them so that
he's able to who He's done a lot of saying, oh,
they're saying this now, they were saying the opposite five
years ago, or one year ago or two weeks ago.
And so he does a really good job. He's been
doing a really good job. He's done a lot of

(21:14):
work on the tats. Very able to attend. Dollar Rubbert
monsters also answer sat are clarified for us because he
knows what variables thinking. Candace owns a soil and gree
because soiler greatest people m she's toilet green Oka. He's like, whoa, whoa,
it's not because she's black, because she's the demon who

(21:37):
lives under Tarker calls in his bed. Her skin color
has nothing to do with it on the show, and
I'm sorry, everybody. I have a black friend. I know
there are black fans of the show. So hopefully you
guys all know us well enough to know we don't

(21:57):
hate black people. We just hate Candace. Yeah, just Candice.
I was gonna say her skin color does bother me,
but not because you're not making it better, Abby, it's
not it's not her skin color, it's like her foundation,

(22:19):
her like perfectly. It's probably because she has the nerve
to be like perfectly put together pretty. She is very
pretty while being so demonic. I think that's the thing
that bothers me. There's the cognitive dissonance of like, you
are so ugly on the inside, but on the outside
you look great. So there's that variable. Gifted five subscriptions,

(22:43):
thank you, thank you, thank you, answered Satter identifies as
black for anyone who is watching. Even if you don't
usually chat, you have to chat in order to get
a subscription. And I believe all five, nope, three, three
are still up for grabs for those of you who incoherence.
If you chat next, you should be able to snag
one of those subscriptions if you want. Yes, no, it's

(23:06):
going to force it on you. Yeah, I see. Alternatively,
show does not have a subscription. I'm not gonna chat.
I'm not gonna chat and try to grab one. Yes,
but anybody who wants to jump in and grab it.
So this this post from Nathan le Mesa, I just
want to refer you to him for his content because
there's a lot that he's done, and I don't I
don't want to sit here and do a whole show
about like here's all the times that candaslide, but he's

(23:28):
done a really good job with us. But this more
recent this, Every time I think Candas has descended to
the the lowest depths of where she's gonna go start digging,
she goes farther. And I keep thinking she's gonna have
some sort of line somewhere that she's gonna not cross,

(23:49):
and then she crosses it. And so I was just
stunned when I hurt when I saw this. But here
we go about Wait, I think I have to share
the baudio ors eating Yeah, okay, okay, here we go.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
Forty eight hours before Charlie Kirk died, Charlie informed people
at Turning Point, as well as Jewish donors and a rabbi,
that he had no choice but to abandon the pro
Israel cause. Out right, Okay, Charlie was done. He said
it explicitly that he refused to be bullied anymore by
the Jewish donors.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
Can you guys answer, did he express that?

Speaker 3 (24:33):
Did he also express that he wanted to bring me
Candice Owens back because he was standing up for himself.
And then did he just forty eight hours later conveniently
catch a bullet to the throat before our on stage
reunion could happen. It's a yes or reno.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
I'm putting the fire here right at the feet of
Turning Point, because I am disgusted. I am genuinely disgusted.
I am looking around and wondering whether Charlie's entire life
was the Truman Show. None of you guys are behaving
in the way that you should be behaving. Okay, there
was no way you are letting these lies fly unless,
as I am hearing, unless it is true that there

(25:15):
was a big, big, big payday that was on the line.
And if Charlie radically stated but he was done with Israel.
If Charlie said he had no choice but to abandon
the Peri Israel cause because of and I quote Jewish donors,
the behavior of Jewish donors. If he said that yes
or no, well, then I don't know. Maybe maybe some

(25:38):
people didn't want to take that risk. That he was
kind of what become candas Owens and Ducker Carlson at
Turning Point USA, with all of those presences, so much
presence across college campuses. Maybe they didn't want to take
a chance. And I will say this, You know what,
somewhere Charlie is watching, okay, and I hope he knows

(25:59):
that we are reunited. Okay, we're on stage right now,
and the Jewish donors are very angry about it, extremely
angry about it.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
So now she is Where do I even begin? I
I this might be the same thing, and there's an
either or in my head, and it might be both
the same thing. I suspect at this point, and I'm
not being superfluous or superlative or whatever. I suspect Candace
has schizophrenia or is legitimately possessed. But since schizophrenia is

(26:34):
potentially the same thing, I yes, I do.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
I do.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
I do think that she's legitimately insane at this point.
And I do think that this this piece about like, oh,
we were just about to reunite, he was just about
to Yeah. I do think that this is her grieving
in her own Yeah. Really, well, they're gonna make me
read this fifty dollars silence of the screech she black lady, Please, Pater,

(27:05):
you know what I think I would like her skin
better if it was darker. I think it's like this
in the yellow undertones make her look Johndae. There's yes,
there's something about and I think that it is her foundation.
I've seen her in other areas where I'm like, oh,
this looks really good. But however, she's been doing her
makeup lately. It feels like she's trying to be like

(27:28):
whiter than she is, or like not even necessarily whiter,
but like more Italian. I maybe I speak Abby, so
let me translate for you guys. Ever since we came
back from every coast, Tabby was like, these black people
in America don't look right. They're supposed to be darker,
because in every coast I tend to be on the

(27:48):
much darker side, which is gorteous, like the sort of
black word. When the light hits you look blue. Oh
my gosh, gorgeous. I think I saw I saw one.
I saw one of those fine. I saw a man
that dark at the park the other day. And every
time I see somebody that dark, I'm like, oh, it's

(28:10):
so beautiful because because it's okay. Every time I have
another thought, it's a worse thought because it's so pure right.
It's it's because that line has been you know that
they've been dark forever, and no white person has ever

(28:32):
come into that line whe people to make alliot. Also,
you remind me of the video I saw where there's
like a shows on my Instagram feed. There's this guy
I think he's of Arabic descent of some you know,
some of those nations, and he sells or he buys
people's watches at the store and gives them cash for him.
He like appraises him. It's like a high level thing. Okay,

(28:54):
this lady comes in. She must be hammered. She's like, oh,
it's so nice to see your people working, and she's
like so aggressively friendly, but just like extremely racist. She's like,
your people, you're good at math too, aren't you. She
doesn't even know how to do racism correctly anyway. One
of the things Kennice did in that same chat's continuing

(29:15):
to celebrate Abby's racisms tonight, and I don't think you should.
I would, you know what, I truly wish we lived
in a world where I could express those types of
thoughts and it wouldn't be like stepping in a minefield,
because I would just know that you guys, know that
the intentions of your heart are pure. Yes, And also

(29:36):
just to not just to not live in a world
where every every like little thing someone's ready to jump
and assume the worst about it instead of just like, yeah, listen,
you remember that children's book we had growing up because
when when we were in Africa, so it was purchased

(29:57):
in Africa, and it was a book about out about
different skin colors, but it was different skin colors in Africa.
It was like a book trying to address racism among
black people. Black people are so racist against other black people,
this is true. They do not get this. Yeah. And
it was like about a box of assorted chocolates that

(30:19):
the main character got. Yeah, and like every all of
his all the kids in the village come by and
they like pick the chocolate the closest matches there, and
I want to eat chocolate. And there was like one
al Bioki the white chocolate. It was like The Talk
and White Kid. Such a great book. I always think
of that when I think of race, because it's just

(30:41):
such of like the opposite of what But that's what
that's that's the context that I grew up in talking
about race. Yeah, well, uh, it also happens in America too.
It's not just an Africa thing. There's a lot of
pressure in black communities to where to marry a light
skinned black person and you're not considered The women especially
push this, but the men too of like, you're not

(31:02):
considered beautiful if you're darker. And also, let's just throw
it out there, there's no one more racist than liberals
because they make everything about race. It's like that. It
was the Seth Park episode isn't about race, but it's
about like disabilities, where they're trying so hard to affirm
this person with disabilities that they put on this parade
where she just has to parade her disfigurement in front
of everyone. And it's like, you're like literally the worst.

(31:25):
Yeah yeah, anyway, and I'm not like them. I just
love blue blacks. That made it much better. I'm glad
you said that line because then you can accuse of
fetishizing it. Oh yeah, And people who accuse you of
it are the most gross because it's like what you're

(31:46):
saying right now in this seccusation inclines me to believe
that this is what you look up when you liked
and I do think there's two different Like the word
fetishization in that context is used seems to be applied
to like, oh, this white woman is like this white

(32:06):
woman is like way too appreciative of really dark black skin.
It's kind of weird how much she likes it. But
it's it doesn't seem like they actually are trying to
say it's a fetish, like a sexual fetish, but she's
not going to make a lamp out of it. But

(32:26):
I do think that there's like a level of weirdness
that you automatically fall into as you're saying something and
you realize because you're overcompensating. Yeah, you're over compensating, which
is what I'm going to do this whole time. So anyway,
and I keep saying things to help you, yeah, yeah,
and I keep having worse thoughts that are just just
continue to be worse. The sirens, I don't know if

(32:46):
you guys can hear the sirens. It's the police coming
to get appy for being racist. If anything, I will
say this is the last thing I'll say about I
think that the really really dark skin is evidence that
you and your family line have not fallen into that
self hatred oh, and trying to like breathe it out
of yourself. Yeah, and I like to see that it's refreshing.

(33:08):
Also sign note real quick, sorry to keep us off track.
Liberals think that they know what racism is of, like
the microaggressions and little stuff, but like when you get
on Twitter and you run into actual racist Twitter, they
call black people it and they like talk about like
animals and you're like, oh, yeah, nothing I've said is
even remotely close to that, because I think that they're people. Yes, yes,

(33:32):
except but not because not because of her skin once more,
and it's just because she is a demon child. I
don't I don't think she's demonized. This has been sours,
would that be? Yeah, it has been.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
It's like that singing show in whatever country putting on
the deaf mute out of support. It felt more like
they were just putting on a freak circus for people
to watch. Yeah, yeah, okay, let's get back, let's get back.
If so, one of the things that Hannis was doing
in that same episode that that clip I showed you
is from is and she's done this over and over,
but it was more explicit this time, where she'll go,

(34:10):
she'll make crazy claims about TPSA, and she'll be like,
all they have to do is deny it. All they
have to do is deny it. Give me attention, guys. Yeah,
And then if they don't, then she'll be like, see,
see I'm right. They're not denying it, or they do
deny it, but the denial doesn't go nearly as viral

(34:34):
as her original claims, so people just assumed they didn't
deny it, or they deny it, and people are like,
why would oh he me thinks the lady doth protest,
But why would you feel the need to say that.
Why would you feel the need to say we didn't
kill Charlie don't exactly. And it's a really it's a really,

(34:54):
really disgusting sick thing that she's doing. It's because she's
never engaged in good faith. But sorry, go on, yeah. Yeah.
And I think there are two things happening with Candice
right now. I think she's genuinely going insane and I
think that she is evil, and both of those things
are happening together. Ian Carroll, I think he's just evil. Yeah,
I don't think he's insane. I think he's high as

(35:15):
a kite. Most of the time. But I mean he
looks evil. See I hate a white person too, there, Okay,
not racist friends the office, I have white enemies. Okay,

(35:37):
I'm so glad we h this whole good thing. I'm
not a famous person to get canceled because I mean,
we can cancel you if you want, if it would
make you feel better. No, No, evil makes people ugly,
which is why can'ta's owns appearance is changing? That's correct,
That is correct. Okay, So what do we do with

(36:02):
the fire hose of falsehood? What do we do with
the fire hose of information that's coming in? Because I
know what I know A lot of you have expressed
that you've been troubled by some aspects of the conspiracy
theories that are going on. What if this is true?
What if they are right about this? Shouldn't shouldn't the
bullet have gone through his neck? I think that that's
the biggest one. I think that that of all the

(36:24):
conspiracy theory things, that's the one that's the most compelling
of like, it really should have gone through if it
was if the gun was shot from where we believe
it was shot from, by the person we thought it
was shot from from the gun we thought it was
shot from unless something has gone wrong in the the

(36:45):
telephone of data. And we're talking about like there are
some things where I'm just kind of sitting on it,
like I'm just kind of waiting for more information, ye know,
I'm waiting for even some of us, I'm like, I
kind of just want to wait for the trial to
come to some of them. As far as like the
nitty gritty, can I come up with a horrible conspiracy
theory on the spot, What if Candace had him killed

(37:08):
because he was going to publicly disavow her in forty
eight hours as a random, non specific I mean, it's
as good a theory as hers. Thank you. That wasn't
a compliment that I sent that. Now, where was I?
Where was waiting to for the trial? But I am

(37:30):
perfectly willing and more than willing to believe that his
next stopped the bullet because God stopped the bullet. Yeah,
like for the Jews stop the bullet. Yeah, the Jews
were like space lasers. We only want to kill this
one guy. We don't want to kill anyone. No, there

(37:52):
are some things that are going around that are viral
that have just already been debunked. Yes, and like as
the Israel in the crowd like thing has already been debunked.
There are some things where it's like, if you care
to look into them, you can. People don't care to
look into them. But I think we've we've reached a
point with conspiracy theorists where we feel obligated to explain

(38:14):
away the conspiracy theories. As of the conspiracy theories are
the main narrative, the burden of proof is on well, okay,
the burden of the proof. The burden proof is on
the person making the claim. So if you have a
well established narrative, like obviously for Tyler Robinson to be

(38:39):
convicted he has the burden of proof is on the
state to prove that he did it. Obviously, so yes,
it is on them, But it is also on the
person presenting a counter narrative to prove their counter narrative.
And there's this attitude that it's like, I have raised
for this viral account, this anonymous account with AnonymOS his sources,

(39:00):
has raised this claim, and now you have to answer
for it. You have to answer for it. You are
not allowed to believe the main narrative that makes the
most sense until you sufficiently look into and dig into
this fire hose of different claims that we're throwing at you.
At this point, the actual conspiracy theory is just believing

(39:23):
the narrative. That's when you're like, it's come full circle now.
So true conspiracy theorists believe what they're told by the mainstream.
It's not even the mainstream because because there's still the
leftist mainstream media that's trying really really hard to say, well, okay,

(39:43):
but it was actually Charlie's fault. It was actually the
maga dad's fault for being too hard on his gay son,
for his trans relationship that pushed him into this. Like,
I'm gonna just say this. If you are the kind
of person who is so fragile that someone not treating
you on hundred percent as you want to be treated
causes you to become violent, you do not belong in

(40:04):
society because that's just life. And if you use it
as an excuse to kill people, yeah, we can find
a nice asylum for you to spend your days in. Yeah. Yeah,
So when we the truth is really strong. This is
what I want to keep coming back to. The truth

(40:25):
is really strong, and it's I think important in a
time like this to grab onto one thing. So for me,
the one thing, it's the strongest piece of evidence I
think that there is. After Trump had already issued an
executive order saying that the death penalty would be the punishment. Yes,

(40:51):
the father turned his own son in. To me, that's
like a slam dunk. And if something came along to
change that. If I if something came along and I
was like, oh wow, that they lied about that that
never happened, then I would be like I would be
ready to start going Okay, maybe I've been completely wrong

(41:12):
about this, But for me, there's so many little claims
that go to saying Tyler didn't actually do it, And
I'm like, if they're if that father had any reason
at all to think that maybe his son didn't do it,
you better believe he wouldn't have. Like that's yea, he
wouldn't have. And amen, even if he had like disowned

(41:36):
his child for being gay, that the like parents don't
just it's it's not as it's a much bigger step
to go from disowning someone too. I want them to die, right,
especially if if you have any like any thought in
your mind whatsoever that your kid didn't do it, but

(42:00):
there are so almost every theory from from his neck
couldn't stop the bullet, because because the net couldn't stopped
the bullet, thing goes to the underlying theory that it
wasn't shot, that the gun wasn't shot from where we
think it was shot from, and it was secretly shot
from a different spot. And the entrance wound that we

(42:21):
see is actually the exit wound, and all of this stuff,
but all of that rests on this trying to make
it some other shooter than Tyler. Yeah, and the shooter
is Tyler, yep, And so that's what that's what it
centers me. And then if if if a conspiracy claim

(42:46):
like how did his next stop the bullet rests on
that foundation, that's completely nothing like if it rests on
the foundation that that Tyler wasn't the actual shooter, to me,
it completely falls apart. And I think that this is
a problem too, is that in this social media age,

(43:09):
instead of having to get up and go I don't
think the moon landing was real. Here's why claim claim, claim, claim, claim,
clam claim, clam claim, And they have to be coherent,
right because you're presenting them all in the same case. Instead,

(43:29):
we just have all of these viral little claims around
and they're completely divorced from the claim that they're built
on the assumptions that they're built on. And so when
you find yourself in this situation, I would encourage you
to ask yourself, every time you see a viral claim, go, Okay,

(43:50):
what has to be true in order for that to
be true? In order for me to even need to
spend any time thinking about this claim, what is it
built on? Is that? Does that even make sense? And
and then I would encourage you to go farther of
what what's the what's the motivation underneath each of these things?

(44:11):
What are each of these things pushing towards? Because pretty
much every single conspiracy theory is all pushing in one direction.
There's a motivation behind, there is a very clear motivation behind.
And Ian Carroll gave away the game day one where
he came out and explicitly said, the Israel shot Charlie.
The country, not the people inside of the actual country,

(44:33):
right to shoot him. And everybody's been pushing this ever since,
pushing this idea that somehow it was Israel or connected
to Israel, or connected to and keep trying to prove. Oh, Charlie,
who was hugely supportive of Israel, secretly at the last

(44:56):
minute was changing his mind even though he wrote the
super Recent Life or to be that Candice lied about. Yeah,
the the explicit lies that Candace has told in the
past few weeks are beginning to stack up, and yet
people are still listening to her. And that tells me something.
That tells me that the conspiracy theorists who are listening

(45:17):
to her conspiracy theories at this point do not care
about the truth. Here is another thing for people to consider.
If Israel is the kind of country who would publicly
assassinate someone who was going to turn on them, why
has Israel not killed Candasity and Carol who are publicly
against them, Because if they if they're that sloppy to

(45:39):
do something that gets pinned on them, why not just
go all the way and do that. Yeah, if you're
if you be consistent, I'm not asking Israel to assassinate anyone. No, no,
but but just if if Candace has started selling merch
branded C I a candastelligence agency because she's so high

(46:02):
on this whole I am I am the intelligence agency.
I I find the information. So she's she's set up
tip lines so that people are sending her information instead
of sending it to the actual people doing the investigation.
She's that I actually an investigation at this point, and
I am one hundred percent for free speech. Yeah, very

(46:25):
very I think that she has begun to step into
the realm of what is it called, uh interference with investigation?
But it's it's ah, there's an agency. No, there's a
legal word for it, obstruction, obstruction of justice. This is

(46:50):
what Tyler's defense is going to be. Yeah, now that
she and Ian like, there is a really strong chance
at this point in time that Candice and Ian and
all the people who are following after them, all of
the conspiracy theorists who were jumped on this train because
there are so many, because this is getting so many

(47:13):
thousands of hundreds of thousands of views, hundreds of thousands
of likes, potentially millions of views, and so many people
jumping on board with it who also have big audiences
that either A they will just straight up be able
to say there's reasonable doubt. Yeah, because half the country

(47:35):
now or a court of the country, how many ever,
many people believe that there's a reasonable doubt, or that
the conspiracy theories go so big and wide that it
taints the jury pool. Yeah. But either way, they may
have already ensured that Charlie doesn't get justice, and that's
so wrong, it's so bad. Candace would rather prevent Charlie

(47:57):
from getting justice if it means making the Jews look bad. Yeah,
but you know what's interesting, and you know it makes
me confident that I'm not like liberals, not that I
have to, you know, determine that I would still get
upset if someone gunning down Candas in public. Yeah, because
I don't think she deserves to die for being a
sh'd faced turtle. I just think she's extremely damaging. I

(48:17):
will say this though, I much prefer my enemy out
in the open publicly celebrating my death. Then this insidious
the minute Charlie is dead, trying to use his death
to tear down everything he loved, tear down everything he

(48:39):
believed in, tear down what he built. Because that's what
they're doing now. The direction that all these theories are
pushing in and have been pushing in, is to tear
down TPUSA, to tear down Erica, to tear down what
Charlie built, and it begins to look very and here's
my conspiracy theory that I'm actually believing more. Sometimes I'm like,

(49:02):
is kenn it's just crazy and processing Charlie wasn't her
friend anymore and he died, and like just the grief
of that, and it's like frontloaded with all the conspiracy
stuff she was already on and so she just kind
of mixed it together. I don't know, but it does
seem like the result of what is happening with all
of this is to is almost the same motive as

(49:27):
the killer himself. Oh yeah, to destroy Charlie and everything
he built and everything that he loves. You will find
that if you go far enough north, you end up
going south, my meaning being the left and the far
left and the far right are on the same side. Yeah,
they disagree on how it's done also keeping it so
horseshoe theory is is what you're talking about politically? Oh

(49:51):
but like a beach ball theory that that the far
left and the far far right meet. But it's almost
more than that. It feels to me where it's like,
at some point all of these actors on the so
called right are doing more to demoralize and destroy TPUSA

(50:16):
than the shooter did. Yeah, because the left is just
celebrating his death and partying, but the right is trying
to kill him more. Also, I remember my point. Someone
tweeted about this. This is an original thought to me,
but I do stand by it. They were like, I
understand why Charlie didn't end I'm not criticizing it him,
but he could have disavowed Candace publicly and that would

(50:37):
have prevented this. And to the person was like, I'm
not saying like that would have been like Charlie was
being Charlie. Yeah, but this is a lesson for people
who come after him to publicly disavowed people like Candace
if you don't want that to happen to you. I
think Charlie's biggest error in his life was that he
was naive about what people he could remain friends with,

(51:01):
and in his death, the people that he chose not
to distance himself from, like Candice, like Tucker, there's a
good chance that they destroy much of what he built
because I think that he saw reasonableness in everyone. Yes,
and some people do not have reasonable or choose against it.
But I will say I will push back on the

(51:21):
destroying TPUSA thing because I think that the devil didn't
succeed in destroying it by killing Charlie, And I don't
think that's gonna let the devil I see. So I
hope so I have. I don't know very much about Erica,
but I'm hopeful because I'm hopeful that she and the
others there are like, yeah, also biding their time, but

(51:45):
also getting to the point where they're smart enough to
know who to cut ties with. Yes. Also, chat is
saying that Charlie was bring vest in plates and that
that could have redirected the round. Yeah, incoherence said, bullets
do weird things when they hit thing. Was he wearing
a vest or plate? Which the answer is yes. Was
the bullet a led tipped hunting round or FMJ DNA Prince,

(52:06):
this is evidence and have to be kept quiet for
the trial. There is a exactly This is one of
the reasons why I'm just not I don't I'm not
sitting in this place where I'm like, I have to
explain why I didn't go through his neck because there
is a good chance that things are being kept for trial.
Also not just for trial, So one thing that will

(52:28):
happen in like a say, a murder investigation is the
police will not Okay, there was a hallowed point round used,
but that's not released to the public. And then this
is how we're can determine if the killer confesses and
he says what weapon he used, bingo, he knows what
weapon he used. Other people don't, so this is a
genuine confession. Right, there's a lot of I think that
when something happens is publicly, the public is like we

(52:50):
they believe that they are being given all the information
that there is to have, and they believe also that
they deserve to be given all the information that there
is to have, and that is simply not how things work.
And I think that's part of like the TikTok entitlement
of like everyone spilled the tea. Everyone like we're like
the citizen investigation, and we all band together, and it's like,
but you're not you. You person sending on your couch

(53:14):
right now, are not the center of the universe. And
people don't like come at your back and call anyway.
Variable's right, there's no reason why we need to be
concerned that Liz knows so much about murder investigations. Yeah,
I wouldn't worry about what was your address again, I
would like to send you a thank you note. So,
there was a couple of things I was going to

(53:35):
bring up that I specifics that I think we've talked
enough about Canada. But I think I think that you
guys are with me, that you're going to keep seeing things,
and there I continue to see things more. I'm like,
wait what and then it's like here, I will show

(53:55):
you this one. Oh, I killed my screen shair crap.
So Candace claimed that she had text messages from a
you know insider at TPUSA, UH, confirming what she claimed
that forty eight hours before his death, he said he
was gonna di about ISRAELA and get back together with

(54:19):
Candace and all of this. And I don't agree with everything,
the Quartering says. I am often at odds with the Quartering,
but he makes a really good point on there, milk bar. So, yeah,
So these are the alleged text messages. As you can see,
there's no timestamp, there's no there's no information of any
sort like anybody could have written these messages screenshot and

(54:42):
Quartering makes this point. He says the text messages released
by the FBI are fake because there's no timestamps. These
are claims that Candas has made right, Uh that the
the because there's no timestamps. I guess on the messages
between the tyler and his training and it is true

(55:02):
fake because no time stamps. The letter from Charlie Kirk
to Beebe is fake because no date. But these messages
with even less evidence are true because they support the narrative.
There's zero message, there's zero evidence. These messages are credible.
And this goes to when you don't have a consistent
standard for truth, when you don't have a consistent standard
for evaluating your evidence. And I see this so much

(55:23):
that there is a really high level, uh really high
standard that they're applying to evidence that they don't like
that discredits their narrative. So they're looking for any reason
that they can possibly dismiss something that they don't like,
and then if it's something that they do like, it's like, well, yeah,

(55:44):
it's an anonymous source that trust me. Bro I'm saying
came from inside t BUSA say it with confidence, so
you have to believe me. But it could like literally
anybody could have sent her those messages, literally anybody. There
is no information so much of what Cannas has been
claiming is just anonymous sources. I have a source, I

(56:05):
have a sours, I have a sorus. It's a source
of voices in her ear head, honestly, potentially because she
at one point she said I'm hearing and then she
changed to like something something, and I was like, are
you hearing? Are you hearing things? Which I don't. I
don't think Cannas's husband loves her. I'm shocked by this.

(56:30):
I don't think her family loves her. I don't think
she has anyone in her life who loves her. It's
because because no one can watch you destroy yourself the
way that she's destroying herself and not pull you back
from the microphone to continue doing what you're doing, unless
they're just as bad as her, in which case I
don't like anyone as bad as Candace. I do not
see them being capable of love. Yeah, yeah, I it's like,

(56:57):
I don't I don't understand it. It's in the same
way as like, it is not love to say, oh yeah,
you male person, you're totally a woman, and and and
to affirm delusion. It is not loving to continue to

(57:18):
maintain friendship with Cannas and not go like, hey, you
should maybe you should stop podcasting, Maybe you should like
take some time and like maybe in some cases women
should be seen and not heard. Get offline. It's it's
it's entirely possible that Cannas's issue is postpartum psychosis, that
she has had four kids in four years, she is

(57:40):
her brain's trashed, but that she could be okay if
she was pulled back, had an intervention, got off the
internet for a year and healed. Someone said very someone
said Candas. Meme said, find someone loves you like Kanye

(58:02):
loves Kanye, and she happened to look in the mirror.
Conservatorship I hate. I really don't like conservatorships because I
think so often that they are abused. But it is
possible that that's what needs to happen. Uh. Also side
note back to the whole like affirming, just like we
wouldn't affirm a trans person. Some made a really good

(58:22):
comparison in the context of trans stuff, but I think
it works with Candace. Like, say someone has like andorexia
and they think that they're really really fat and they
have to lose a ton of weight. You wouldn't be like, yeah,
you're right, you are fat, yea, let me help you
lose weight, right, because that would you would have to
hate the person right right. But what it does scare me.

(58:44):
You you get if you get somebody as I don't
think we have the data on this to understand just
how bad this is at this point, but I think
we will, uh in a couple of years. When you
have somebody who is very charismatic like Candice, like good communicator,
very good at pulling people into her. She she's done

(59:04):
a really good job of kind of taking conspiracy theories
and making them tabloidy. Yeah, which is a really potent mix, yes,
but with the kind of veneer of like serious journalism
to it. Mm hmm. But when you get somebody like

(59:25):
that who has the following that she has and the
skill set that she has, and they are actually going crazy,
they're dragging She can drag a lot of people down
with her. I think there are a lot of people
who are going crazy with Candice. I mean, you know,
it's bad when Nick Fuentis is like, maybe we've gone
too far or you've gone too far. Also, I feel

(59:45):
like she's like inches away from a rabbi being like
you need Jesus, like a Jewish rabbi being actually, I'm
gonna I'm gonna recommend Jesus. I'm gonna send you up
to the next level of actually. And so this is
why I have been talking to you so much about this,

(01:00:06):
and I probably will continue to because I am worried.
I know, I know how easily I could have fallen
down this, and I hope that none of you fall
down this insanity. Find find a standard of truth, hold
on to that, obviously cling to those core things, but

(01:00:28):
then also within any given case, find the thing that's
just the most salient piece of truth, and like kind
of orient by that I would encourage. Another orienting piece
of this is like who celebrated, who celebrated, and who
mourned when Charlie died. No one celebrated more than a leftists,

(01:00:50):
and no one warned more than his friends and close
friends and family TPUSA and Israel like that. It's it's
clear whom Yeah, also said, not because I sent you
this sweet earlier, and it's it's worth mentioning. It's bridget
fetasy or how we pronounce an. I'm not super familiar

(01:01:11):
with her, but she said it's actually like being in
a zombie apocalypse movie when and when someone you love
starts talking about the Zionists, it's them pulling up their
sleeve to reveal they've been bit and you're like, oh shit,
not you too. Yeah, I feel this so much, especially
because yeah, to here here it is because oftentimes they

(01:01:32):
don't go usually they don't go full crazy right away.
They just you just start seeing a little bit and
you're like, you sneeze every time you Wow, You're like
this person has already lost and then you we're just
sitting there like how long is it going to take
to like fully spin out? And it's really really really sad. Yeah,
And I don't want to watch that happen to any

(01:01:52):
of you guys. And I think that I could very easily.
And I have been accused hunreds of times of times
of caring about Israel more than I care about the
United States or this or that. And I think that
it's easy to go like, wow, yeah, she defends Israel

(01:02:12):
so much, like that's weird because they're being attacked. Yes,
But I also think that it's it's this marker for
the sickness that the push that the demonic realm is
doing right now is anti Semitic. And so it's when

(01:02:36):
when you start to see these things in people, it's
like that bug got into you. Yes, and it's less
for me. How do I say this correctly? Because I care,
I do, I do care about Israel. I do care
about Jews. I think that they're human beings whoa. But

(01:03:00):
I do care about America more and I can't than
Israel like and I care about people who are close
to me in my communities and my friends more than
I care about strangers who happen to be Jews. There's
there's I think that my order of loves is correct. Yes,

(01:03:23):
Gran says, I got that Danish Desuza quote tweet, which
was really sweet. I was, I was flattering, But it's
it's when somebody close to me starts to go down
this path and the marker is the anti Semitism, and
it flows up, throws up that red flag. And it's
not that I won't I have any interest in losing

(01:03:46):
friends because they said a mean thing about Israel, but
because once the symptoms start to show, it's like, oh
you're gone, Yeah, you're just gone. Your mind is gone,
and every time something happens, you are going to it's
bent in this demonic direction now, and the anti Semitism

(01:04:07):
is just is almost just the aesthetic of it, and
the deeper issue is like all the stuff underneath. And
this is a conversation. I think I will close with this.
This is a conversation I've been having with people behind
the scenes, big players in the space, and it's something
where I came to it and then somebody else was like, yeah,

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that's what Charlie was saying in the last few weeks,
and I was like, Oh, that's flattering, and it's and
I think this is what Candice is twisting. I could
be wrong. Charlie was saying that the anti Semitism is
downstream of the Islam problem, and so instead of focusing

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so much on defending the symptom and defending Israel and
defending against anti Semitism, which is still something we should
be doing, we should be turning our full focus on
the Islam problem because the mass immigration of Islam, the
way that it's taking over ideologically, legally in the UK,

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all of these things, that's a much bigger problem than
kind of the symptomatic, downstream stuff of it. And the
thing is, it's amazing how blind we've been to it
because like Iran was a Western country before the regime
took over. There are so many other countries that have fallen.
And like I know, I mean, I was young when

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all of these things happened, or I wasn't born yet,
but it's only recently clicked of. Like the entire West
is going to fall because of Islam if something isn't done.
It is the end Times religion. I do think it is.
It is the revelation really, like Revelation talks about Christians
being beheaded. Yeah, that's what Islam does. There's the kind
of their thing. Yeah, there's a whole book about it. I

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can't even I can't remember what it was called, but
I I read a book making the case that it
was Antimes religion. Was very compelling. It was a lot
of there's a lot of scriptural backing. There was a
lot of like, oh that makes sense, that makes sense,
that makes sense. I was as well and put together
the thing. I think, the thing that unites liberals and
Islam is that they both hate Western culture. But the
problem is liberals make this fatal miscalculation that they think

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the end of me and my enemy is my friend,
and it's one of those things of like they, if
they have their way, will beat Western culture together and
then Islam will eat them alive. Yep, which is exactly
what happened in Iran where the Communists teamed up with
and happening in France and England right now and hopefully

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not America. Satyr said, some Islamis tried to establish a
new city with Sharilla, and North Texas Governor Abbott knifed
in the butt and made it illegal in the playing stages. Good. Yes,
if you've seen the clip I posted it of Tucker
Carlson simping for Sharia law and this is yeah, yeah,

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I think this is This is the bright red dividing line.
I think that anti Semitism is easier, like in coherence,
that anti Semitism has always been a reliable red flag
for me. I think it's easier to focus on anti
Semitism because standing against Islam explicitly is actually more dangerous. Yes,

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because the Jews won't assassinate you. Islamist will, but but
islamis also will generally not assassinate you just for standing
up for Jews, but they will not kill you for
going too hard against their religion. I saw this video
from this woman who's she's American, but she's been living
in Britain for the last three years, and she's like, initially,

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in the first year, you'd hear talk about stuff, but
like it didn't really affect you. She's like, second year,
I stopped wearing like jeweler and stuff in public as
people will get like robbed out right or attacked for it.
And she's like the third year, if I want to
go out somewhere and look nice or whatever, I have
to get picked up from my door and dropped off
at the door of the place and then picked up again.
Like you'll hear like women screaming in the streets at night.

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And it's like, this is actually even worse than I realized.
And she wasn't trying to sensationalize it. She was just like,
this is what's happening. Yeah, variables as the first moment
only applies to non pagan religions that worship God. I
would I would make the argument that the reason Islam

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is a little bit different is that it is not
a free freedom of religion religion. Yeah, it is a
religion that is also heavily bound up in politics. So
there's no I have no problem with allowing Islamic people
to practice their faith, but when you allow them into

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positions of power, yes, because it's it's a culture and
a religion, it's a it's a political religion. It's it's
not our religious like Christianity in its actual like, because
there are Christians who get this wrong and have gotten

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this wrong many many times. Catholics get this wrong so
badly throughout history. But generally, a true understanding of Christianity
is that you can only come to Jesus through free will.
So it makes no sense to legislate Christianity to make
it illegal to not be a Christian, to make it
illegal to know you change the heart right. But that's

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not the case with Islam. Islam prescribes that you're supposed
to be legislating it. Yeah, so there's a there's a
dividing line there that people will have to figure out.
I wanted to read this verse, Well, go ahead, Laurel
posted this. She said, this is Proverbs six twelve to fourteen.

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A worthless person, a wicked man goes about with crooked speech,
winks with his eyes, signals with his feet, points with
his finger with perverted heart, devises evil, continually sewing discord.
Just I think a spot on a description of Canus
and their ilk, and I think, sorry, one more marker.

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I'm probably just beating it at horse, but one more
marker for recognizing that something supernatural as a foot is
the fact that, like Islam is there is no religion
more oppressive of women than Islam, more overtly oppressive, more
provably oppressive. Yeah, and liberals love Islam. Yeah, people who
claim to be like ultra feminist love Islam. That's a

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huge flag. Anyway, when I said I was ending with that,
I completely out that we didn't hit on this important thing.
So I had tweeted this earlier. People don't And this
is this is something I've been saying for a while now,
and I just kind of got it into a smaller,
more concise form than I had previously. But people don't
believe conspiracy theories because they're crazy. People go crazy because

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they'd be into value the game of challenging narratives more
than they value truth, and they end up believing every theory,
no matter how false and incoherent, until they lose grip
on reality. What saddens me is that so many, including myself,
got into conspiracy theories because we wanted truth, valued it,
and suspected we were being deceived. But so many get
so addicted to the feeling of tearing down a narrative
they stop caring about the truth. That rejection of truth

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is what brings insanity. So I said, I wanted to
put a dividing line, and I think that this, it's
whether or not you care about the truth. It's whether
or not you love truth and you're pursuing truth. If
you love truth and you're pursuing truth and you're asking
questions and you're investigating and all that to that end, great,
there's nothing wrong with that. You are not crazy. If

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if that genuine love of truth is pushing you to go, ah,
that doesn't make sense. Ah, Like I'm not buying this, Okay, great, fine,
But it's when you cross over that line into loving.

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It's loving fiction. It's loving the it's loving destruction, the
narrative that itches your ears or whatever. Yeah, it's loving
that like pride feeling of pulling down what you are
saying is a lie, pulling down a narrative. It's the
same thing as like the left loving revolution so much
or loving like progressivism so much that they just don't

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know when to stop destroying. They just destroy and destroy
and destroy. Instead of instead of saying, oh this thing
that you know, American healthcare has broken, let's figure out
how to fix it. They're just trying to tear down
every good thing about the West. And this is what
big conspiracy theory TM whatever writ large is doing right

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now is tearing down everything. It's doing what they claim
the illuminati is doing, of like destroying civilization to rebuild it.
Opus rocks. So what are good nicotine pouches and what's
a good strength? Oh? I guess Tucker has some that

(01:13:12):
he sells. I guess, and Sator's boycotting them. I think
I hear Zin's are good. But don't don't quote me
anything because I don't do the tobaccy. Yeah. I think
Zin is being abused at this point, but it doesn't
know it's not anyway. I'll let you guys figure that
out in chat. I personally just like to smoke a cigar,

(01:13:35):
love a nice pie, whatever that is. I do wonder
this is this is complete spitfalling, But it is really
easy to light up a cigarette. It's a lot harder.
It takes a lot more effort and thoughtfulness to get

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some loose leave to go into your little pipe and
to light it up and all of that, and so
you look like it's put It's a potential thing that
you could do, uh, to have a pipe every night?
But has that be your your one little thing. This
is probably terrible advice. You should probably just simply quit smoking.

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But oh, variable has an excellent English, an excellent substitute
for nicotine. It is stronger, it's better, it is cocaine. Yeah.
I am reading Lauren Southern's book right now, which I
would probably tell you about it at some point. It's difficult.
I'm getting through it slowly. It's very well written, but

(01:14:43):
I just read the tape rate chapters and that was tough.
But she has begun to talk about the cocaine use
on the right uh in in right wing media, and
I have heard and I have talked about rumors to
that of effect, and I am pretty excited to get
into some more like specific information from her on the

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cocaine use. Is Candace doing the nose candy possible? Although
I think she's breastfeeding so I baby can have some
as what we need to do is interview the baby
to see if the babies like babies. I'll do that.
So I said we were going to do this at
the beginning, and I haven't landed on it. So maybe

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I'll just leave it hanging there and we can come
back to it. But I would love us to have
a different terminology for just a conspiracy theory, just an investigation,
just to asking questions, all those things that are on
the correct side of like, yeah, they're calling it a
conspiracy theory, but pretty sure it's true or all the

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correct side of the truth, genuine pursuit of truth stuff. Yeah,
whether or not you're right, because you don't have to
be right all the time. If you don't, you can
have a conspira theory, and then a couple months down
the line you can be like, no, I don't think
it was an inside job AfterAll, or whatever it was.

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But it also matters like how how you hold it,
how loosely you hold it, how hard you push it,
how much you defy yourself by it, because because one
big thing here, the scientific method is you have a
theory and then you seek to disprove it. That's how
you go about the method. If I'm not doing it correctly,
and you'll never see you will never see Candae or
Ian stress testing their beliefs to see if they hold water,

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And that's a huge red fleg. They do not care
about intellectual purity because like, even when I'm doing research
on a show where I'm like, I don't care if
this is true or not in terms of like my
personal I'm gonna be okay if it's I still am
like trying to prove or disprove when I'm researching, so
I'm not lying. Yeah, And then I would love to
have a different name because I don't I don't want

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to pejoratively call it conspiracy thinking, like, but I don't
know what else to call it, because at this point,
as far as normy parlance goes, the thing that is
a problem that we are naming is the conspiracy thinking.
And it may just be that as people who enjoy
conspiracy theories, we're going to have to recognize that they

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are seeing a real problem and not get sensitive about
that terminology and maybe come up with a different identity
for ourselves or a different like leave My suggestion would
be to leave conspiracy thinking in the bad category and
let that because it's that's already what language is doing

(01:17:42):
by itself well, and to come up with a different
terminology for what we think is in bound. And I
think something you've probably said this the sentiment, but something
kind of clicked for me because I mean, we've in
our discord shaired a lot of like a you know,
conspiracy theorist's just someone who's right before everyone else, or
like and I think people have gotten so used to
the idea of like we're always write about everything that
they just assume everything I say is true. If I

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have the idea, it's true, And I would just push
back of like what if what if you're the person
we need to have the conspiracy theory put conspiracy hypothesis, conspothesis,
hypoths spirit opus, Rock's got a gifted membership. Awesome, I'm

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gonna look up synonyms for conspiracy. So let's leave that.
We're already uh, pretty over for tonight. So thank you
guys all for being here. Ah was you were lost
in the sauce.

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