The Ocean is Weird

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Speaker 1 (00:51):
Hello, and welcome to another episode of Alternatively. I don't
know which I think this is episode twenty one. Yeah,
that's what I was thinking that when I so twenty one.
We well it's probably called Ocean Talk Reacts. But we
have yet to, you know, to fully completely settle on
a title, Liz, what is it? What is this? What
is this episode?

Speaker 2 (01:12):
So this today, it's gonna be a little bit more
relaxed for the next two weeks or whoever long it
takes to do this. Must me two weeks because I
just have a lot of videos four yes, knowing me
if I think it's too double that carry the one.
I was going through my videos that I've saved my
phone over the years because I'm trying to, like, I

(01:33):
don't know, organize or whatever, and it came across a
lot of cool stuff that I'd saved away, and I
was like, I'm gonna kind of try to incorporate this
into a show.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
But then I did a little more research and flushed
it out. So this first one we're gonna do. Oh, yes,
this is mom don't look, this is my mom's saw. Yes, guys,
don't spoil what color it is. So this is gonna
be We're going to talk about just kind of cool,
creepy stuff about the ocean in this episode, so it's
going to be kind of a hodgepodge, a little bit

(02:02):
about the Bermuda Triangle, a little bit about cannibal sharks,
some giant squids, some other stuff, some weird sounds from
the ocean. So we're just kind of setting the basis
for it. The ocean's creepy and big, a full of
weird things, and this is more confirmed type stuff, okay,
and then the next one is going to be Mermaid
talk reacts. I'm not going to go as in depth
on mermaid stuff as I know Abby did a Mermaid

(02:23):
episode a while back, but this one we're going to
talk about In the next one sort of like some
historical stuff about mermaids.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
And then we're mostly going to hone in on two
TikTok people who are really big into insisting that mermaid's
are real, one guy who has claimed to a video
to all these interactions with mermaids and himself while he's
out on a commercial fishing vessel.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
So that will be next week.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
But yes, so this week we're going to just start
out smaller and at some point. I would like to
do an episode on like underwater cities that have been found,
because there are some really interesting stuff, including what could
be an underwater UFO or what has been positive as one.
And I think that might be a good way to
talk about Atlantis around that time. But I don't know
the timeline for that exactly. I haven't started working on

(03:08):
it or anything. So let's talk about the Bermuda Triangle.
I do have a sort of longer video for us
that I think, to me satisfyingly explains it. I don't
think I have to explain to you what the triangle
itself is, because I feel like everyone's on the same
page already.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
A triangle, Yeah, Bermuda, I'm very no, all of a sudden, yes, yes.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
And there are other triangles like this out in the ocean.
I forget the name of one. I think it's like
the Dragon Triangle. That's a similar thing.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
It's just not as famous. Yeah, you get to play
the video. Also the Alaska Triangle, but that's a little
bit more land based. Yeah, as people getting there. There's
another land based one too, and I'm trying to rebord
it was called I do have a video saved on
that that might be worth looking into. But anywhao, all
the triangles all right here we go, I can't click
on that do here.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
Hundreds of years, ships have been disappearing out of nowhere.
That's why we have things like the Bermuda triangle.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
Right.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
But in nineteen ninety five, the dropn Or oil platform
was hit with an eighty four foot wave when the
average height of all the other waves around it were
thirty four feet. That was the first instance of a
rogue wave being recorded, and it helped make all of
those ship disappearances make a little more sense. Scientists were
shitting their pants when this happened, because all of their

(04:13):
theoretical models to design seaworthy vessels considered waves like this
a one to ten thousand year event. The problem is,
once they started looking for these waves, they found them everywhere.
All the time, they were finding ninety eight foot waves
off the coast of Scotland, where the theoretical max height
was supposed to be thirty eight feet, and then when
research teams would go out in the ocean for three weeks,

(04:35):
they found ten plus rogue waves up to ninety eight feet,
and now through models were able to estimate that ten
plus rogue waves exist around the world at any given time.
Any wave that is two to five times the average
height of the waves around it and does not have
a logical explanation, such as an earthquake generating a tsunami,
is considered a rogue wave. And I know we all

(04:57):
want to know what causes rogue waves, but the most
of the ocean is a pretty complex mathematical problem. So
it's most likely that all of the theories that have
been generated about rogue waves, which there are many, work
together to create rogue waves, and each rogue wave is
generated completely different. But let's talk about two of the
camps of probable causes. When you put noise canceling headphones in,

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it generates frequencies that cancel out sound that is trying
to enter your ear. That is linear wave interaction, and
what it's doing is destructive interference. What a rogue wave
would do is constructive interference, where waves stack on top
of each other. The equivalent would be the sound getting
louder in your ears. Another camp of theories is nonlinear

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wave interaction. These are irregular waves that don't have consistent
heights and can be skewed and create random interactions that
can suddenly cause a wave to spike, which would help
explain why a lot of rogue wave accounts say that
the wave disappeared almost immediately after it was formed. When
rogue waves hit shorelines, they're known as sneaker waves, and

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they happen a lot on the West coast the United States.
They can carry a lot of debris and sediment up
to one hundred and fifty feet past the high tideline
with little or no warning, which can make them deadly.
During the Maverick Surf competition, over a dozen people were
injured when a sneaker wave came up on the beach. Now,
the craziest part of all of this to me.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
Mavericks are already big waves, right, is that some of
the best research we have on oceanic rogue waves comes
from optical roguewave studies because light when it's passed through
a crystal and broaden in super continuum generation, nerdy and
sciency that I know, I hope I know one is bored,

(06:42):
because if you're bored, I'm deserning you. This is so good.
This is how I want people to talk about conspiracy theories,
where it's like this is a conspiracy topic that we're
actually going to be We're going to talk about it
within the like realm of logic and science and look
for an explanation. Instead of feeling unhinged, you feel act
more safe, even though it doesn't change the fact that
the waves exist. You take something that seems unhinged and

(07:04):
you're like, can I actually make this make sense? Yeah,
because you want to answer the question.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
Sorry, some of the spectrum can pulsate like a rogue wave,
generating similar effects that can be studied and translated to
oceanic rogue waves.

Speaker 4 (07:18):
Behind it.

Speaker 5 (07:21):
For audio people, this is the video of the big wave,

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so we're getting.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
That would be.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
Also everyone has to say happy birthday to Paint because
he just turned three.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
Prison agree, this is an old video. But yeah, So
there was a case and I want to look into
it more. I forget what it's called, so I might
not be able to recall to anyone else's mind. But
there was a case of some lighthouse workers who were
on this island. I believe it was somewhere in Scotland,
and it was back in the days when you like
stayed there for like six months and then your relief

(08:22):
came and swapped you out, and they had brought in
someone along with to stay with two people who were
already there, and then when they came back to swap
them out, no one was there, like nobody else was
on the island. It wasn't an inhabited island otherwise, and
there was really no evidence of where they left. They
didn't I don't think they had a boat where they
could have gone out in the ocean, And there was
a lot of questions about, okay, like did they fall
into the water, did something happen? And one of the

(08:44):
theories is that there was just a giant roadwave that
just like swept them out while they were doing their duties.
And it's just this boring explanation but also really scary
because there's nothing you could do about it.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
So the so.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
The idea here is that in the Bermuda triangle you
might have greater instances or just because you're holding in
on it, you're counting this stuff more so it looks
like it's statistically more dangerous than others, but that a
roague wave wouldn't necessarily explain taking a plane down, and
I know a lot of planes go missing over these
areas well.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
If you've got an almost one hundred footway. Yeah, and
you're flying low.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
I mean, planes do tend to fly pretty high, unless
it's like a smaller plane.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
I don't know their height.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
But also for anyone in the audience who is having
trouble conceptualizing one hundred feet in a wave, that's if
you stacked Sabrina Carpenter twenty times over, that would be
how tall it would be.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
Okay, So it would be interesting if you have, like
for something like a million are heart or yeah, yeah,
a plane that's gotten lost in I know, I think
usually I don't know a lot about flying, but if
you've got cloud cover that you've got a visibility problem,
you might try to get on top of it, or

(09:54):
you might try to get underneath it. Yeah, so you
could have a reason for a plane to be a
fly flying, you know, one hundred feet eighty feet above
the ocean trying to get under a cloud. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
There's also speaking of familiar earhart, because that's another thing
to look into more. But I think the explanation is
maybe just a little bit more sad than we realized.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
She had actually had distress calls for up to a
week before her disappearance. Oh oh sorry.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Signals from her distress calls were heard for two week
after her disappearance. Various people think they're still bouncing around,
and her calls were like waters high, help us quickly
have taken in water? That would actually indicate some sort
of the plane either had to land in the water,
or it kept getting hit by waves and it couldn't
keep going higher, something like that that were just ignored.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
Those disressed distress calls were ignored. Wow, yes, someone that
wanted her dead or just I don't know, or just
nobody was close enough.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
I'm not sure that's what I want to look into
more because one one of the calls seems to indicate
that they were on an uncharted island, and I don't
have that they'd like landed there, so I you know,
at some point I would love to look further into that.
But yes, interesting, I mean there's a reason why they
went down obviously. But yeah, So the next video we
have there was a creature that was videoed in Sagami, Bai, Japan,

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and it looked pretty creepy. So we're all gods do sadly?

Speaker 6 (11:22):
No?

Speaker 1 (11:22):
Oh okay, yes, but no, at depths of three thousand,
three hundred and fifty three feet never been identified. Oh oh,
I hate it. A classic creepy music and gonna hold you.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
That does look bad, But don't worry, it's worse than
you think. Now I could be wrong. I might be wrong,
But if I had to guess, that is some type
of eel, especially a snaggletooth snake eel, you can find
as demonic fire hose in the Pacific Ocean. Apparently the
biggest ones can grow to thirty and a half beast.
Now I'm gonna go ahead and guests or one of
those animals designed to live at the bottom of the ocean,
so when you bring them up to the surface and
become deformed creations belonging to Satan, which is probably why

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it looks like a possessed blue animal as a result
of bloating after death. With those needles for teeth, we
can guess that it eats small fish, crustaceans, and maybe
even squid, and those teeth keep the struggling prey from escaping.
And if that acid trip of a rough draft is
anything like the Moray eel, then they have a second
set of fungial jaws in its throat to make sure
whatever goes in doesn't come out. But having a throat
with a child lot does back far when you choke
yourself into an obituary. And I know I said snaggle

(12:18):
tooth before, but it could also be a fang tooth
snake eel, especially since they're found deeper down and as
much as I genuinely love freaking yell out, they're pretty
much harmless and probably wouldn't bite you unless you did
something to deserve it. So this thing's probably dead. But
this is proof that nature has rough drafts and its
trash bin is the bottom of the ocean.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
So first of all, that guy is hilarious. Second of all,
do you guys know the moray eel song that I
I will not say it for you guys.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
When the jaws open wide and there's more jaws inside
that some more, there's another verson I cannot remember something
about fernial jaws. But away the blobfish everyone has seen
and how like weird and like goopy and ooopy it looks,
But that's not how it looks in the ocean. It
actually looks kind of normal. I mean, it's not the

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pretty fish. But when it comes up out of the
there's a lot of pressure that it's designed for, and
when it comes up out of all those atmospheres of pressure,
it just kind of goes and it bloops out, and
that's why it is also dead. But yeah, right, so,
I think that there's kind of along the lines of
when when you take something creepy, when you take something

(13:30):
conspiratorial or whatever and try to find an explanation for it.
There's a fine line between science being science ye and
looking for an explanation and coping trying too hard to
find an explanation when there isn't one, and then like
not leaving the door open for it to be an
undiscovered species or something creepy or And I think my

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favorite situation is when something you know that somebody is
open to it, but they're going to look at all
the normal stuff first, and if they can plan it
with the normal stuff, then that's it they're happy to
And you always should be like that. You should run
through all your probables before you get to your improbables.
I think that the ocean, like people desperately want to

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make the ocean creepy, and the ocean is already creepy
enough as it is if you just embrace what's known
and accepted in the ocean, you don't have to I
feel like people a lot of the times want to say,
you know, there's sea monsters. To be clear, I'm not
saying there's no sea monsters, but there's a desire to
make it creepy because it's become boring in comparison. But
if you actually look at what the ocean already has

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in it, you're like, okay, yeah, I'm good. I actually
don't need sea monsters. This is very disturbing already, like
the seam we have sea monsters at home, like they
are creepy enough.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
Also side note, I know this has been brought up
before in the past. There is a common I guess
myth might be the right way to say, going around
that NASA originally was started to search the bottom of
the ocean, and then they immediately switched tracks to try
to get off the planet. And it's so creepy sounded
because it's like, what did they find down there? Except

(15:06):
it's based on a misunderstanding of the word aeronautics, which
has nothing to do with the ocean, and NASA was
never about exploring the ocean. It's someone heard the word aeronautics,
thought they knew what it meant and built a conspiracy
that they didn't bother fact checking, and it like took off,
and I still hear it repeated, and it's even recognizing
that that's a myth does not make the ocean less creepy,

(15:29):
or doesn't even necessarily mean NASA's not trying to escape
the world because they know it's in the ocean. It's
just that they didn't start right in the ocean.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
It is funny, like a lie like that takes off
so much because there's like a what it feels like
a kernel of truth to it, where everyone's like, yeah,
I believe it. I believe that there's something really scary
down there.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
Yeah, well, there's this possible deniability in terms of there
is no way we canfect check. There is so much
of the ocean that is undiscovered we cannot explore.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
It's it could be there.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
Actually, So there's a theory I didn't come up with that.
I would like to have come up with it, but
I didn't that there used to be quite a lot
of sea monsters back in you know, the old days,
when they had the maps that were like there'd be
dragons and such that they weren't actually making it up.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
They weren't being dramatic. It wasn't a turn of phrase
to mean it wasn't explored there actually were. But then
the whalers come along and they vastly overwheled the population.
I want to say overfish, but it's not fish. So
they overwhailed the population that's removing most of the food
source for these sea monsters, which then called their population
if not made the mixting, which is such a like we.

Speaker 7 (16:33):
Just want we just want whale oil for our lamps
in our homes, and we accidentally killed all the sea bodies.
It's just so funny, and I bet it's true.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
Well, and that would explain why the sea monsters that
are still around are so freaking angry now they took
away our McDonald's.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
We're gonna kill them, I know. But also not to
mention that whales can be really scary to your ship.
So I think some of the sea monster interactions are
probably just really weird whales. I don't know, even like
the blue whale. Like I grew up feeling like, oh, yeah,
we know a lot about it, but we almost are
unable to observe it in the wild.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
It's so far out, it's so rare. We know just
stuff about it, but there is a lot that we
don't because we just can't observe it enough. What about
the white whale? Freaking white whale took my leg? Don't
bring it up? How could you? But yeah, so I forget.

(17:33):
We're also going there's there's more opportunity for talking about stuff. So, yes,
the kraken, I've heard it talked about that. You know,
we've discovered the kraken. It's the giant squid. We're gonna
talk about two squids today. We're actually not going to
talk about the giant squid, which is real and scary.
We're gonna first play another video, this one about the
big fin squid, which is God, why did you make
this one? Question mark?

Speaker 3 (17:55):
What?

Speaker 1 (17:56):
Okay, this doesn't even look real. Well this is just
a d oh okay, thank god? But what the reality
is not much better?

Speaker 4 (18:05):
Okay, this is probably the most terrifying thing you'll ever
see in the ocean. That thing is actually a big
fin squid. It's believed to grow up to twenty six
feet long. Scientists believe they hunt by dragging those freakish
arms across the ocean floor, snatching up anything unlucky enough
to accidentally brush up against it. But by far the

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scariest thing about this hell squid we know almost nothing
about it. We don't know how they mate, how they live.
All we know for sure is that you can find
them at the very bottom of the ocean, at depth
of up to fifteen thousand feet, which is more than
half the height of Mount Everest. Here's the part that
personally freaks me out. Every big fin ever caught was
a juvenile, and since no adults have ever been captured,
it's possible they can be even bigger than we thought.
This ceaslender Man's arms are covered in tiny suckers meeting.

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Once it grabs something, there aren't a lot of things
strong enough to break free. Those arms can be over
ninety percent of their total body length, and they hold
it at a ninety degree angle, which makes this violation
against nature look like it's te posing. As technology improves,
you might have a chance to learn more about them,
which isn't a good thing. They need to stay in help.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
That guy is one of my favorite tiktokra that is
such an incredible setup. For like an ocean horror film. Right,
they discover something and then they come back from the
lob and they're like, I have some news. You're not
gonna want to hear it. It's a baby.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
This is a perfect type of way. We're gonna skip
the next quid thing. We're gonna come back to it,
but let's go to the giant eel thing because it
fits with the it's a baby thing. So this is
a Reddit page. I know read it is Reddit, but
I'm gonna read you something. Okay, I don't have it
to show you. Oh I did have the link in
the in the notes, but I did not pull up
the notes. I only pulled up the videos.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
But you don't need to people to say it. Then
I'll just read it. I'll just try to you read it,
and then I will pull it up so that people can.
So it's called debunking, the debunking of the super eel Leptocephalus,
and it goes to say, so, as some of you
might know, one of my favorite cryptids is the super
sete sonderlongis. I'm not gonna it's fine. I butchered the name.

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And while that's largely due to how biologically plausible it is,
and the relatively large number of sightings. It's also due
to the fact that it's one of the very few
cryptids with a with a possibly still intact physical specimen.
For those who are unfamiliar with the story of Dana leptocephalus,
here's a quick recap. In January of.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
Nineteen thirty, the Danish research vessel Dana pulled up a
strange fish from a depth of one hundred and fifty fathoms,
so that's nine hundred feet or, assuming it was rounded
to the nearest ten fathoms two hundred sixty five to
two hundred eighty four meters.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
Aboard the ship. Ichthyologist Anton Brune identified the fish. Theologist
is my favorite word. It is a great word.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
He identified the fish as a leptocephalus, the larva of
an eel. The problem is that this leptocephalus was six
feet long, far far larger than that of any known
species or for that matter, most adult yels.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
So this baby was six feet long. That's why the segway.
The difference in size between a leptocephalus and an adult
varies between species, so the exact size of the adult
form could not be precisely calculated, but Brune reckoned that
at an absolute minimum, he could safely say there must
be eels at least fifty feet over fifteen meters long
in their adult state, and possibly twice that, possibly twice that.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
Taking all the settings of adult super eels into account,
I think the maximum length is about twenty meter as well,
within the range of possibilities given by Brune.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
However, in March.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
Of nineteen seventy, the case appeared to take an unfortunate turn.
It was announced that the leptocephalus was not that of
a true eel at all, but rather of a deep
sea spiny eel. The larval stage of this fish is
actually larger than the adult. So if this announcement more accurate,
the unique nature of the Dana leptocephalus would be thoroughly by.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
Do not get disappointed just yet. This is a debunkie
of the bunkie. Remember, okay, okay, for years right up
to this present day. Why would the larval stage be
bigger than the adult? I guess, okay, so larva. When
you're talking about like a big wooly caterpillar tracking into
a butterfly like it can kind of like it'd be
weird for a mammal baby to be larger than the adult,

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but because they go through such an intense chain, it's odd,
but I guess it's possible.

Speaker 5 (22:03):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
So, for years, right up to this present day, this
explanation has been accepted by many, from cryptozoologists Carl Schuger
to skeptic Tim Morris. However, when I first heard of
us heard of this, there were a few things which
didn't quite add up. The first thing I noticed, which
I now think is the weakest of the points I'm
about to point out, concerns the physical appearance of the specimen.
For reference, here is the only known photograph of it.

(22:24):
Note that a normal ill leptocephalus is shown alongside of
her comparison, So if you can show that, So the
baby is this tapeworm looking thing with the head, and
then the specimen is next to it, and I'm assuming
that's in another larva.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
I'm trying to remember it just as normal eel.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
So anyway, this is our thing that we're looking at.
It has a tapeworm shape of a not Cantha day larva,
which is a I'm.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
Going to show the picture. Read yeah, go for it.
I'm just trying to remember which one was not can today. No,
the canthaday is a deep sea spiny eel. But the
head is itself as a very I can read it,
I promise, But the head itself has a very distinct underbyte.
There was a typo.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
It threw me off, something commonly found in some ill
put which doesn't appear in any photograph or illustration of
seen if any adult or larval not canth today. So
they're saying, well, it's probably this spiny eel, but it
doesn't have all the characteristics of a spiny eel.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
Yeah, it does have a very pronounced underbyite exactly. Yeah,
I was gonna say, it does look like it needs braces.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
So I was thinking, all right, if it wasn't, if
it wasn't visually determined to be not cant today, they
must have used DNA evidence instead. It's a pretty bulletproof
method of figure out exactly where an animal fits on
the tree of life. Except this was in nineteen seventy
and DNA testing wasn't really a thing back then, at
least I don't think it was. So rather than jump
to conclusions, I took a look at the actual research
study from nineteen seventy to see what method they used

(23:45):
to identify the data leptocephalis as a not cant today.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
Thankfully, even though this was over a half century ago,
the original research study not cant the form leptocephaly in
the western North Atlantic can be found in red online.
If anyone wants to fact check that I'm about to
point out here, you go, I'm not going to have
you share that nless you want to, Well, it's j Store.
You usually have to pay for a Jay Store membersion. Yeah,
and also you know, there's only so that I want
to go in this and they actually quote some stuff. Enyways,
it's if you guys want me to dump.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
The link to this Reddit page in the discourse that
you can look at up later, I'm happy to do them.
So it turns out the study that proves that the
data leptocephalus is a not cantha date doesn't actually look
at it at all. Rather, it looks at several unrelated specimens,
the largest of which was eight hundred and ninety three
millimeters or less than three feet long, and only briefly
mentioned the data leptocephalus on the last page. Second last,

(24:34):
if you count the rest of the bibliography, where it
says the type specimen of L. Gigantius measured eight hundred
ninety three millimeters and also showed no sign of approaching metamorphosis.
This great size brought to mind the question of the
giant leptocephaly. Castle mentioned the possibility that the eight hundred
is or eighteen hundred millimeters Dana specimen is an L. Gigantius.
If true, at least some of the giant eel larvae

(24:54):
eliarte may not be eels at all, but not cantiforms.
And know the data leptocephalus, This is gone from the quote, now,
didn't the Dana Leptocephalis didn't look the same as the L.
Giganteas that's described in detail in the study.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
And rather than take my word for it, you can
compare the data specimen shown above with an L. Gigantia
specimen below. No differences in both head and tail shape.
Oh yeah, massive, massive difference. Yeah, the head is completely
different and it's not as completely different. Yeah it's not
as tape wormy. Yeah, it looks like it's got some body.
I mean, I'm a I'm not anich theologist sadly, sadly,
but to me, I'm gonna discount any study that doesn't

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even look at the specimen because to me, that seems
like cope from them of like, okay, let's just dismiss this,
so we don't even have to entertain the question because
it's redials to suggest something with the long well because
and that seems that makes sense with a fear response. Yes,
I do not want to think about this being a baby. Yes,
I don't want to even entertain.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
And also there is such a I mean, I don't
know in ichthyology how it is, but in like archaeology
and some of these other things, if you even bring
up something that is really outside the accepted norm as.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
Just a it looks like this could be the case.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
Let's just look into it. You can be ostracized, you
can lose grants, you can lose any credibility, any ability
to do any work. So I think that the spirit
of learning gets tamped down because this thing, what is
the harm in finding out what it is?

Speaker 1 (26:17):
If we enter with I'm okay with whatever the result is.
I'm not trying to push any result. I just want
to explore, isn't that the nature of science. Who we're
trying to figure things out. No, that's not how they
do things.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
So continuing with the Reddit post, At first I found
it a bit odd why they'd insist on the data
Leptocephalus being a member of a species that appears different
in both.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
Size and shape. But then I noticed the timing. The
research paper was published on March two, nineteen seventy. This
was over four decades after the specimen was collected, but
it was less than two years after the English publication
of In the Wake of Sea Serpents, which brought a
lot of attention to the specimen in the cryptozoological community.
Could just be a coincidence, though, or this is my commentary,
or it could be that they're trying to get ahead

(26:54):
of the cryptozoology claims of a sea serpent. Continuing with
the post, Finally, after all this research, I came across
an article from July of twenty eleven in which cryptozoologist
Dale Drinnan looked through the same information and came to
a slightly different conclusion, but one that still supports the
super eel to quote him directly, showing an important extra
point he makes in bold in nineteen seventy University of

(27:14):
Miami I theologist doctor David G. Smith revealed that the
Dana leptocephalus was not the larva of a true eel,
but of a quite different eel like fish known as
a not not a canthod or spiny eel. Except that
was never what the scientist said, and none of the
cryptozoologists quoting him have ever read the original materials, which
were firstly an article in Copia and then in successive volumes,
not focusing on the gigantic leptocephale per se, but actually

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taking up talking about other things, and only incidentally at
the same time attempting to fit the giant leptocephyle into
the theoretical framework. Doctor David Smiths nineteen seventy paper in
Coopia not cant the Forum Leptocephaly in the Western North Atlantic,
he made the suggestion that the very large larvae were
immature not Acanthen's or not accounts or spiney sharks related
to the hellisurce, and then in bold immediately there was

(27:58):
a problem because the confirmation of the finn did not
conformation of the fins did not match, and Smith stated
specifically L. Giganteas cannot be identified as to family in
the nineteen eighty nine Leptocephalus section of Fishes of the
Western North Atlantic, Smith says Leptocephalis giganteus may represent a
species group within the not cantaday not a this is
gonna kill me, or Hallosauridae, or it may represent a

(28:19):
different group as yet unknown as adults. If the identification
is so ambiguous that the family cannot be identified, and
the giant leptocephalate might very well still be an unidentified
then all discussion of their adult size being of moderate
dimensions immediately becomes moot.

Speaker 6 (28:32):
It.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
I do want to note here that it does seem
like there is almost a spiritual hiding yeah of and
this didn't always used to be the case, but it
seems like we hit up a point in history, and
I wish I could pinpoint it to some extent where

(28:52):
I would almost wonder if Satan was like, We're going
to hide all these creatures now, all of them, like
the the from that, and that there's a fear in
when you when you get up against them, there's this
fear of like we really really really don't want to
admit that these exist, and it doesn't really make sense

(29:15):
scientific at all because it's like, wouldn't you be excited
to discover a new species? Yeah, but it I remember
going through the Natural History Museum in DC and there
are skeletons of creatures that are very clearly sea serpents,
Like like you look at them and you're like, that

(29:36):
is a sea monster, and they're like no, no, no, no,
this is this is this is As much as it
might look like a sea monster, I definitely don't want
you to think it's a sea monster. It lived millions
of years before human And like there's this desperation that
is difficult to explain without a spiritual aspect that I
don't know how to fully get my head ound. Yeah,
because there is there's this fear.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
Thing and and we're gonna go back to the rest
of the thing because it seems like there's even some
cover up potentially happening here.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
So Drinnan also note wrote about this more briefly and
is amended Cryptozoological checklist. In June of twenty two thousand
and nine. The dismissal of the data Leptocephalis as a
not a cant fish was premature. The fins definitely did
not correspond to that classification. In any event, the determination
was made on paperwork when the actual specimen.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
Had gone missing.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
This opinion does not deserve there the air of authority
it is often given in the literature. This is the
only time I've heard that the specimen has gone missing.
It seems to contrast called Sugar's claim that it was
stored in the collections of Copenhagen University Zoological Museum, although
Sugar never specifically said that it's still kept there. Someone
should probably look further into this, but in either way,
whether it's been kept safe somewhere or not, a new
analysis of it seems unlikely.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
So, yeah, it might be just gone. It's a really
weird thing to go missing.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
Yeah, And then this person goes on to muse in fact,
it might just be easier for someone to try to
catch a second specimen.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
The time of year January thirty. First, look, you guys
need to write this down. Location thirty five degrees forty
two minutes south, eighteen degrees thirty seven minutes east, in
depth two hundred sixty five to two hundred and eighty
four meters at which the data Leptocephalus was found is
all known, So sending a vessel to the same place
at the same time of year and knitting the same
depth would presumably maximize the chances of getting a new
less of steps so autistic, I love this. This is

(31:13):
why I take what they're saying with less of a
grain of salt than a normal ride postcas.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
I'm like, this is this is someone who is This
isn't just ship posting. Before all, we know there could
be nothing special about that exact spot in the ocean.
So this is not so much a good idea as
it is the only idea I can think of to
conclude claims that the danta leptocephalus is just the larva
if some normal boring fish are not as solid as
many people seem to think, it still could be, but
I find it quite unlikely. And then there's just a
note that was in reference to something earlier, which isn't

(31:39):
necessary to cover. But yeah, so this idea that so actually,
if you could you, I know this is just putting
you on the spot, But if you could Google, I'm
just trying to get the spelling here for you, because
I haven't got enough ballant wrongs, Acila cant okay, Coe la.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
E la c A and T. H. Sheild Camp okay, okay,
and if you could just share a picture, just any picture.
I'm not trying to get you to an article. This
is the one that they thought was extinct for agents.

Speaker 8 (32:05):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
So this fish they said was millions of years extinct,
I want to say, like thirty or fifty million years,
and they were like, yeah, it's in this whatever era,
it's gone, and then turns out it's not there. They
found it being sold just casually at it, like I
think it was like an Indonesian fish market. Yeah, it's
totally alive and fine and also fun.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
Lore in I think it's treasure planet. The evil guy
has a tank of these in his home, and canonically
when that happens, this was before they were rediscovered, like
the movie was made after after they were discovered. Oh
but so canonically in the storyline, it's like a subtle
hit to this guy knew that they were around it
just didn't share it with the world.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
Yeah. So this this alone proves that scientists really don't
know everything that they claim, because they would have said
that no human ever could have possibly interacted with this fish,
and yet here we are and we have the fish,
which honestly, maybe when I'm talking about like when can
I pinpoint something. The theory of evolution has a spranglehold

(33:11):
on the scientific community across so many disciplines, but one
of them is that when they have labeled something as
something that like this lift x men a million years ago,
and it because of the way that the theory is
structured of like, Okay, if it's found in this layer,
that means that it lived this long ago, and if
it's not in any other layers, it's definitely not still

(33:32):
around anymore. And when they find something like this, it
doesn't just break things as far as like, oh, I
guess we were wrong about that one species, No big deal,
but it actually breaks the whole framework of like the
assumption of how layers even work and extinction and all

(33:53):
of that. And I think that that there's a lot
in the theory of evolution that's covering for any creature
existing that falls outside of what they would like.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
And the evolutionary approach actually puts science kind of back
in the dark ages because it forces you to ignore
anything that might say otherwise you're not looking down any avenues.
You're not actually seeking truth, You're just seeking confirmation that
you can twist as confirmation of your theory. Yeah, and
I think evolution should have lost all credibility when they
kept pushing the timeline back because it used to be

(34:28):
just like several million years, and now it's like, what
fourteen billion years.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
They keep outing more time like that's going to fix
their theory. I do eventually actually want to do evolution
ties into a lot of esotericism too. Apparently, I don't
know if I will ever do a show on that,
just because I'd have to go back and reread my material,
and I don't know if I want to. But I
also think some is dark, like it tastes a brain

(34:51):
down dark paths. Yeah, it will come up if I
ever do the show on cancer, it will come up
on that because if anything is an actual example of
what they are suggesting of how evolution works, it is cancer,
and it is bad.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
So we don't like that. But that's just a teaser
for when I now you have to when I get
my tether. Actually probably could soon. I'm finally finishing that
book on cancer. Oh but I did have a quote
from Good Old Billiam Shakespeare that I think is relevant
to this. Uh, there are more things in heaven and Earth,
Horatio than are drumed of in your philosophy.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
M do you love that quote?

Speaker 2 (35:26):
So let's go back to squid time. So we have
the big Finn squid, we have the giant squid. Did
you know that there is there's a larger squid than
both of those. It is called the colossal squid. Is
this is not the video? So the one that is
colossal squid is a link. It's in the document. So
I did I did forget to tell you there's a
bunch of links in the document. So okay, okay, okay, okay,

(35:48):
you're supposed to.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
I was like, oh wow, we don't have very much
to cover I and we have five video likes that
you were like yep. I wondered why you were so
unconfident that this would take away. And I forgot to
be like, we are making sure the videos are sent
you a messenger in order. But there are warlings.

Speaker 9 (36:05):
Okay a YouTube video, okay, share this d okay, all
right ready?

Speaker 10 (36:17):
Yes, it is the largest squid in the world and
it's larger than a school bus. Meet the Colossal squid,
the deep sea nightmare, also known as the giant squid
or Antarctic crawnch squid. This squid is the world's largest mollusk,
which can grow up to forty six feet and weigh
up to fifteen hundred pounds an estimation based on incomplete specimens,

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which is bigger than a school bus. They have the
largest eye in the animal kingdom, reaching the size of
a dinner plate, and it's armed with tentacles that have
sharp hooks, and many sperm whales have scars on their bodies,
which is believed to be caused by colossal squid. Colossal
squid are a major prey item for sperm whales, with
evidence of giant squid beaks found in their stuff, which

(37:00):
makes up seventy seven percent of the biomass consumed by
these whales. Despite being one of the largest invertebrates on Earth,
this squid is also the least studied one due to
the difficulties of studying animals at such deep ocean depths.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
This so a couple thoughts on this video. First of all,
I think the quality of it is very poor. The
difference in colossal squid and giant squid size is about
five hundred pounds from my research. Oh so you can
fact check me on that their tentacles are a little different.
One heads like spiny stuff on the tentacles and the
other one has like spiny stuff going a different way.

(37:35):
Like the arrangement of their cookie suckers is different. But
cookie suckers, Yeah, this is the scientific that's the term.

Speaker 9 (37:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
I didn't want to overload you guys with lingo, but
I forgot you could handle that one. My first takeaway
from this is that like it's actually kind of underwhelming.
To the reason I say.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
That is because I mentioned like we found the cracket
as the giant squid. I don't think it is. I
think that this is a little small for what was
described as a kraken. I think it's a good start.
It's this all start, but we keep finding bigger things,
and that's that's more the point, right I'm trying to
pull up. If we have something this big at those depths,

(38:15):
it's a very large food source for something even bigger.
If you want to get All Star Wars, there's always
a bigger suction about it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Yeah, So moving on, unless you wanted to continue talking
about squid staff moving on to the next YouTube link. Actually,
this is sorry, this is a website link. We're gonna
talk about cannibal sharks. Okay, do do do do do
do do cannibal shark do do do do?

Speaker 1 (38:38):
Cannibal shark?

Speaker 4 (38:40):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (38:40):
Great white shark disappearance? Was it eaten by something big?
And if you could a scroll. I don't need to
read the tagline because it's also part of the article.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
So it's not every day that a nine foot long
great white shark gets devoured by a sea monster, but
according to a theory by filmmaker David Riggs, it may
have recently happened, and this was in twenty fourteen, so
not recently anymore. Australia recently started a tracking program that
requires them to tag and then track all large great
white sharks. One of the largest tag sharks within the
program was a nine foot long great white shark nicknamed

(39:06):
Shark Alpha.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
Only after only.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
Four months, Shark Alpha's tag washed up on the beaches
of Australia, where it was found by a passerby and
returned to the tracking program. Riggs reviewed the tracking data
on the tag and was amazed at what it showed.
Shark Alfra had plunged straight down the side of the
continental shelf more than fifteen hundred feet deep. Instead of
the tag's temperature cooling down as it should have when

(39:29):
it entered deep colder water, it shot up and got hotter.
This meant that the shark must have been inside the
stomach of another animal. But what animal could devour nine
foot long sharks so quickly and easily. While many people
believe the creature that eight Shark Alpha may have been
a sea monster, there are several other theories as to
what it could have been that attacked the great white.
Some people think a giant squid maybe to blame, and
others claim that an orca may have attacked the shark.

(39:50):
Ors are witnessed to be like tracking down drugs and
killing them. One of the most popular theories, and the
one that Riggs believes is the most likely, is that
the shark may have been attacked by another shark that
was bigger and possibly even a cannibal. I think I
think if it was another shark, we just can't assume
it was a cannibal since it was yeating it. The
scientists say that the shark may have attacked Shark Alpha
could be a colossal cannibal great white shark. They believe

(40:10):
that the shark is huge and so hungry that it
will resort to eating its own kind in order to survive,
because the bigger you get the silver you are, the
harder it is to catch things.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
More you need to eat. But there's also something to
be said for like, if you take into this in
the spiritual aspect of something, could it be that the
ones that get that big are because they're cannibals.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
It could be, Yeah, it could be the one to
go of sharks. If you want to scroll a bit,
I'm trying to rememberth there's more in the article, and
I think it might just be like, Okay, scientists are
not completely sure that they have solved the mystery and
will continue to search for clues. In the disappearance of
the sharks and then textbook, he did a documentary. So
one other bit of details is that they did kind
of check out that area where the shark disappeared, and

(40:50):
there were like a bunch of sharks circling like in
the area. So it I think that's part of the
reason why they go for the cannibal shark thing. I
feel like in order to explain a way the idea
of a sea monster. They had to go with something
else that they kind of don't prefer is super abnormally
large sharks. It's also kind of a no no, but
it's less of a no no. I think it's coming
more and more into vogue. The idea of a meg yes,

(41:11):
well pops culture. But also there are so many anecdotal
sightings of really really large sharks, not just great whites,
tiger sharks too. In fact, I feel like I've heard
of more oversized tiger sharks sightings the great whites.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
I keep forgetting the great whites are supposed to be bigger.
It is interesting because our bias is always going to
be like what comes nearer to the shore, what comes
near because of fishing vessels, and the bigger they get,
the farther out they're gonna be yes. And like there's
different kinds of sharks too, with different behaviors. So like
you have the ocean white tip I believe it's called,
and those are the ones that eat all the shipwrecked

(41:46):
people who are like in the ocean, those are the
ones you tend to have. The there are more mid
ocean great white shark attacks from the ocean white tip
than there are shark attacks from other breaths near the show,
is my understanding of the statistics. That makes sense also
because they're just out there looking for any prey they

(42:07):
can get. They're not specifically coming in.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
And then you get things like the goblin shark. I
think that was the one that they didn't know about
it until recently. It was kind of just kind of
stumbled upon. It was kind of encryptid, I think until
they found the living fossil. This was another one that
was supposed to.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
Be Okay, I'm I'm pulling up. I don't have the
most cool things in my nose. If you want to
share the screen with us, so it can this. Yeah,
I'm looking for a bominations. Maybe I will show you
a couple images because there's a there's, there's a there's Okay,
I feel like this is like the best looking one.
It looks like it has social anxiety. Yeah, but there's

(42:44):
like much more. This is a this is like one
that came out like horrifying. Yeah, Like it's gums are exposed,
what the heck? What the heck? They just look so uncomfortable.
This is bigger than a human being by the way, Yes,
there pretty big they here's I got us size. They're

(43:09):
not the biggest ones. But there's another dead one. But yeah,
this gives you a better idea why just what was like,
what was the reason? Really horrifying? Okay, they look like
they have hunchbacks. I have enough of that.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
There's also like the frilled shark, the Greenland shark. The
Greenland shark is the one that's there's a famous one
that's three hundred years old or something like that, hundred
and ninety two years old. And there's some that are
just we don't really run into them very often. The
ocean's a big place, even even the areas that we
have discovered. It's not like a city you go to
and the same buildings are there and all that stuff. Right,

(43:40):
things move around, Yeah, yeah, and yeah, so world's a
limited but in how far deep we can go?

Speaker 1 (43:47):
Get space station? But watch why we don't have one
of those yet? Is my question? Watch it be that. Yes,
they didn't start in the ocean and try to escape,
but we do start funding like a deep sea exploration,
and they're like, actually, let's turn into a space expl
what should become a thing. So I have another article

(44:08):
connected to the cannibal shark idea. It's the one titled
bite from a Giant Shark. If you want to go
to that page next, Yes, sure, that's instead.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
Called how big was the monster shark that took this bite?
I'm less interested, Yeah, I'm more interested in the photos.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
So you look at this, you read you read the
article and it yes, this is Chronos Rising dot com.
So he starts to say, first of all, he's plugging
his book Monsters and Marine Mysteries, where he goes really
into this.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
Apparently, I don't know if it's any good. It looks
really low quality, but it might be good, so he says.
Back in twenty nineteen, off the coast of Guadalupe, a
marine photographer by the name of you and Ranikan took
underwater photos of a great white shark that appears to
provide added proof of the existence of mega sharks. For
the purposes of this blog post, we are defining a
mega shark as a macropredatory shark that exceeds the accepted
size norms for great whites, i e. Greater than twenty

(44:59):
three feet or seven meters. In my book Monsters and
Marine Mysteries, I studied what I consider to be overwhelming
evidence of the existence of these monsters. I am firmly
convinced that they are out there, and when you see
the evidence, I'm betting you will be too. Actually do
want to read a book at one point, but it
looks kind of lower budget. So as you can see
on this photo, it's kind of a double bite mark.
It's pretty wide, and then you can see two sets

(45:20):
of teeth rows where it looks.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
Almost like yeah. And that's what he talks about too,
of like sort of the momentum in the shark trying
to get away.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
But I'm not going to read the whole article. I
kind of just want to look into his breakdown. So
he says, the car curved the shark. I'm not going
to read the shark name. It's a great white shark.
It's or actually it's just a white shark.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
I don't know. I think that's the same thing. Anyway.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
It's his name is Sea Badge. She is per uent
around eleven feet in line, so this is not a
small shark. A UK media outlet called The Sun released
an article in The Shark in sever thirtieth. They reported
her as being fifteen feet, so there is some debate,
but it.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
Goes upwards, not downwards. Sebat showed up at Ewan shark
cage sporting an enormous bite mark scar on her left flank.
Before I go into the analysis of this bite mark itself,
let me first address the inevitable reactions of naysayers and
armchair experts who will feel obliged to chime in. It
is indeed a bite mark. Propellers don't leave symmetrical jaws
shaped wues like that, nor was it caused by a ghostnut,
fishing c line, coral reef, or jack ripper and the

(46:23):
blow assumed. Inversion of the original photo shown above, you
can see the scarring costs by individual tooth punctures, which
he has marked in red. It is not an old
bite that grew over time. Sharks are incredibly regenerative, and
given the condition of the wound, I would bet it's
less than a year old, possibly just a few months Moreover,
bite wound scars on sharks do not stretch and expand,
growing both unchanged and symmetrically with the animal over time.
In fact, they actually tend to fill in and disappear.

(46:45):
For an example of the shark's remarkable power of her generation.
He has a link. It's not as like helpful. It
basically shows a chunk of shark that got bitten out
and it shrinks over time.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
Oh yeah, the way sharkskin acts it. It doesn't scar
like human skitting scars. So the bite was not caused
by gentant squid beak ones looked nothing like that sperm
whale narrow jaw with evenly spaced rather blunt teeth or
an orca lacerating woes that often lead tooth rakemarks, more
ruminiscent of a big lizard. And for the record, I'd
studied orco skulls for my monsters and marine mysteries. Remember

(47:17):
their dolphins. They're actually whales, not dolphins. I think bit
culls enough. Maybe the are dolphins and as such have
elongated comparatively narrow muzzles. A killer whale with a rostrom
thirty inches across would approximately sixty feet long, so you'd
have to cut for an even bigger creature than you
want to. Feel free to google bites feeding marks from
any of these for comparison. The bottom line is that
the evidence overwhelming overwhelmingly suggests that the bite was inflicted

(47:39):
by another much larger shark. The question remains then what
species of shark and how big was it? So the
analysis of the bite, as the photos below show, the
strike was fairly well centered and stretched from the left
pectoral fin. If you want to scroll down to when
you get a chance, the third photo down, he has
like another angle that going to be a red arrow crossed.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
Wait is it an error? Or if not, this one
more down?

Speaker 11 (48:07):
This one's one.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
Sorry, I my mouse is stuck okay in a white arrow? Yes? So,
as this photos blow show, the strike was fairly well
centered and stretched from the left pectoral fin, which must
have been completely engulfed all the way to the rear
of the dorsal fin. Using seabatch, that's what I gotta know.
He does kind of explain his theory using a lateral
view of seed batch and based on the shark's stated
size per the photographer, I estimate the bite measures thirty

(48:32):
inches in with diame slash diameter. Height is impossible to say,
but as additional photos show, the lower jaw was able
to completely encompassed the underside of the shark, suggesting a
tremendous gape. A bite height of forty two inches over
one meter would not be out of the question. Ask gracious,
he says. White sharks smell thing or even aggressively biting
others if their kind is a common occurrence. It happens
during mating as well as during territorial disputes. Smaller sharks

(48:53):
tend to wisely give way to larger ones. If they
fail to, a warning bite is often the result. Some
attacks are far more serious than others, inflicting damage that
one would think would be fatal. Luckily, sharks are hardy
and heal quickly. Some most non feeding based attacks tend
to be non fatal. One that we don't think about
is that they're in the salt water and such. They don't.
I don't think there is susceptible to infection. There is
an ocean version of like flesh eating bacteria that is

(49:13):
worse than the non ocean version, though just you know,
for fun fact they're great. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
In Monsters and Marine Mysteries, I analyzed a series of
mega shark bites. These were bites from real sharks, complete
with tooth and notches to prove it, and range from
around twenty four to forty eight inches in diameter and
he's just pushing.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
I would like to read that book.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
But anyway, I christened one of the sharks in the
book the Beast of Briar Island. It left fresh feeding
marks on a bull humpback's carcass that had drifted ashore
on Briyer Island, the largest of which, measured on video.
We're twenty seven inches wide, which is just a little
smaller than this bite mark here, with one demonstrating a
maximum gape of thirty eight inches. Using the most conservative
scientific formulas available, that suggested a shark just over twenty
five feet in length. Think Bruce from Jaws. Scaled up

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from that. The one byte mark on sea Batch therefore
indicates an attacker around twenty eight feet in length. So
that is five fe longer than the largest accepted shark size.
It is not out of the question. Yeah, it's not
that much bigger.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
It's a pretty conservative stretch, given that there's a lot
of anecdotal evidence of like thirty foot long sharks being seen.
There is so much of it that I'm like, I
almost guarantee. It's the same with crocodiles, where there's like
an accepted length that they are, but you run into
some monsters. Well, it's kind of like the same principle
as the rogue waves. They're like, oh this this doesn't exist,

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or if it does, it's extremely rare, and then turns
out it's not. Yeah, because you're just not looking in
the right place. Because because what might be happening is
that the bigger ones are bigger, because they've survived longer,
because they're warier, they're not going to be as selection
bias issue. Yeah. Yeah, these bigger specimens might go out
in deeper ocean. They might get away with going from

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the safety of the reef a lot more. Yeah, they
probably do not come up near boats often at all.
Like he said, Warrier, So and so he says, is
that possible with regards to the length, Could there be
a twenty eight foot macropredatory shark cruising around out there? Absolutely?
The shark I call the Perth Canyon Colossus, which left
its calling card on a sixty nine foot Pigny blue
whale may have been thirty feet in length. Honestly, if

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we could find and tag just one one, yeah, I
bet we could find up because they probably have a
convention they go to it. Yeah, Oh, I'm sure. And
the Galapagos giant, which took a four foot hunk out
of a forty foot whale shark. It's also in his
book could have been the same size as its perspective
prey as big as a bus.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
One thing about sharks is that they grow to fit
their environment. I don't know if they stop growing. Do
sharks stop growing?

Speaker 1 (51:38):
Yeah, Well that's the thing, right. There's things like lobsters
where you there's a range of size you expect and
then you get an anomaly that's managed to live longer
and they're so big.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
Yes, So sharks do not have a genetic cap on size.
One of the things, and this is going off of
memory here, is that they're limited by the teeth they have.
So sharks have a lot of teeth. They have rose
and rose, and they'll fall out and the others will
move forward. But eventually, the older you get, the less
teeth you have, you do reach a point where you're
not able to feed anymore. So there is a cap
in terms of other things. But they can grow their

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entire lives. They're like lizards that way, except they don't
think they mold. That would be even more horrifying. So
just a little more analysis on this bite and then
we'll move on. As we know, the strike came from
the left. Oh sorry, I skipped a line, so we
most likely know the why.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
Although a twenty eight foot shark putting the bite on
what almost a third its size may in fact have
been an attempt at predation, a huge shark would be
much slower than the one than one that much smaller.
I can't read today, and given the chance to grab
an easy male may have made the attempt. If so,
fast reflexes and a white shark's tough skin may well
have been what saved Sea Batch's life. As we know,
the strike came from the left. It wasn't a head
on blow, as in two sharks approaching one another and

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one getting a warning nip. No it was, nor was
it for mating purposes. Sea Batch is a female. She
has no mating claspers, and a white shark well over
for twenty feet is almost certainly a female. Most species
outside of human, the female is larger. So this this female, This,
this shark is a female. Yes, this is a female.
That's why Sea Batch and not Sea Bastard Skid. Given

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that the larger shark t bone the smaller one, it
may well have been intact that was motivated by hunger.
It would have slammed into sea batch. It's just snapping.
When we look at the close ups of the bite,
we can see several things. The first is that there
are tooth scores on sea batches under belly if you
scroll down far enough, I think it's the one underneath this.
He does no one more, I guess, or even one

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more as a treat. Yes, this one, so he's this
is kind of his outline. It's harder to see because
of the belly. It's behind the fin, like near the
bottom corner of the thing, if you want to see
in the big picture. The first is that there are
two scores on sea batches underbelly. This shows how far
the attacker's lower jaw reached as it began to close.
The teeth on a.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
Shark's lower jaw mandible tend to be thinner and more
pointed than those on the upper jaw. I think of
a fork and a knife. The mandibular teeth are the fork.
They pin the prey, and then the upper jaw maxillary
teeth extend out and come down like a guillotine and
carve out a huge mouthful kind of like how our
jaws don't work either way around or something.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
Don't ignore the last thing I said. In sea Batch's case,
it wasn't merely an open mouth push, as white sharks
sometimes do. In cases like that, we see only marks
from the maxillary teeth, almost like a punch with teeth
on the end.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
Basically, the idea is it tried to grab her, pushed
her forward with its momentum, tried to adjust its grip,
and then somehow she got loose and got off faster.
Because the smaller you are, the fast you are in comparison,
so she could have gotten yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
Yeah, so yes, And he has a size chart further
down of estimated sizes of sharks that are existent and
based on I don't know whatever data he's told.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
This one and sea Batch, the one that bit Sea
Batch is estimated to be in the sea side of change.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
So it's actually not that big.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
Like again, it sounds big for a shark, and I
think that the people in the field do discount sharks
that big.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
But to me as an outsider who's like I don't know.
Things super plausible to me. Yeah, but the other.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
Thing about the shark, that it's tracker suddenly got really hot.
I it also could just be that like something bit
where the tracker was ripped that chunk out and just
dove down with it, and it didn't engulf the entire shark. Sure,
although something small is less likely to attack another shark.
So just one of those things. I do think the
Meg is probably real. The main thing is that we

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keep finding megalodon teeth coming up on the ocean, and
I love how there's two theories that explain that either
or there's three.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
I guess like it just naturally does that it's whatever,
it's normal. One is that there's still megalodons around and
so the teeth keep washing up, or that they're all
at the bound in the ocean. They're all fossilized from
whenever the Meg went extinct. But something is on the
floor churning it up, something even bigger, right, Love that,
And we are going to kind of brush into that
tangentially in a bit.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
Actually, no, right now, we're gonna do it right now.
Both by the way, Yes, actually I do too. So
we're gonna watch the video with the time stamp of
two minutes and fifty seven seconds.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
Yes, sorry, it's okay.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
Okay, So we had left off. This is more for
my sake and Abby's for you. We didn't leave off.
We took a brief, brief break because you guys are just,
you know, really exhausting. We had left off talking about
the Great White Shark and the bites and stuff, and
now we're gonna segue into some things happened. I want
to say this was back in like twenty twenty two,
maybe twenty three. Do you guys remember when there was

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a giant explosion out in the Gulf of Mexico and
there was a bomb testing that happened.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
First, I think, so this is just gonna touch on this.
This isn't like a deep in depth into that, just
because I didn't want to take too long on this episode. Yeah,
so we're gonna watch a video that kind of gets conspiratorial,
I think a little too conspiratorial. But it's fun, so
let's do it, okay.

Speaker 8 (56:59):
It Yeah, okay, sorry for the buzzkill, but I think
we really need to talk about what's going on with
the world right now.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
Oh yeah, so it was a bomb testing, but then
later it was like a fire, like an ocean fire. Okay, so,
as we.

Speaker 8 (57:12):
Know, a few weeks ago they set off a forty
thousand pound bomb in the Atlantic Ocean for testing.

Speaker 12 (57:19):
Shortly after this week experienced the fire in the Gulf
of Mexico, which was apparently caused by a gas leak
in an underwater pipeline that rose to the surface and
was struck by light.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
Right now, the world is experiencing some of the most.

Speaker 8 (57:32):
Intense climate disasters it has ever seen. That once extreme
wildfires had erupted.

Speaker 13 (57:37):
All around the world, with the worst cases being in Turkey.

Speaker 8 (57:41):
Some of the footage is just terrifying and reminds me
of the intense fires that took out like half of
Australia at the beginning of last year. This footage is
absolutely devastating in it just goes from one extreme to another,
as this part of.

Speaker 5 (57:55):
The world is experiencing extreme.

Speaker 14 (57:57):
Fires, while other parts of the.

Speaker 13 (57:59):
World areperiencing extreme floods China, Italy, Belgium, the list goes on.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
They're all experiencing some of.

Speaker 13 (58:07):
The most catastrophic bloods that I think any of us
have ever seen.

Speaker 12 (58:17):
But it is insane that Mother Nature is capable of
this flooding and those spirals.

Speaker 5 (58:27):
At the same.

Speaker 12 (58:28):
Time, as well as producing this size of hale bigger
than tennis balls, is also raining down an Italy.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
And it just won't stop.

Speaker 12 (58:40):
They're calling it an apocalypse of halee.

Speaker 8 (58:44):
I think the name is appropriate given everything right now.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
Now, to shock you even.

Speaker 8 (58:49):
More, it is even snowing in Brazil.

Speaker 12 (58:55):
This is extremely rare and the last time.

Speaker 13 (58:57):
An appearance of this happens where snow and don't the
city was in nineteen fifty seven.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
Quick note, yes there. It's so funny because like there's
there are we humans are very short lived as compared
to everything else, and so we look at things that are,
you know, once or twice in a lifetime, disasters that
for most of human history we wouldn't have even known

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about the ones that were happening on the other side
of the planet. We would only know about the ones
in our vicinity that are once in a lifetime. So
we're reacting to these kind of once or twice in
a lifetime things because they're rare, but they're but they're
not weird.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
Yeah, there, it's a given they're going to happen again
at some point.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
What is weird is that we're getting them on camera
and experiencing them as a whole world all of the
same time. And then it starts to be like, oh, no,
climate change, something's happening, apocalypse. I'm like, no, I no.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
What I would lean toward is two potential options. We're
in the heavenlys between principalities, and we just experienced the other,
you know, yeah, whatever the word is. Or we're seeing
some some plagues and judgment on us, sure from God
for you know, yeah, yeah stuff, Let's finish this that
and then.

Speaker 8 (01:00:17):
I do have And now we're moving on to the
drought in South America. I just can't keep up with this,
and the tornadoes in Chechi Are.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
But again, she's she's kind of crashing out about knowing
about all this stuff happening at the same time, when
stuff has been happening at the same time throughout all
of human history. It's just that we can confirm it vision,
we can see it now.

Speaker 14 (01:00:40):
I'm just lost for words.

Speaker 8 (01:00:43):
Then I came across this TikTok of an explosion off
the post.

Speaker 14 (01:00:47):
Of them, but with a quick Google surgery, I about
to find out that it was actually a mud volcano
that apparently triggered a huge.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
Blast in the Caspian.

Speaker 5 (01:00:58):
Oil and gas fields.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
But it doesn't just stop there.

Speaker 8 (01:01:01):
Ireland is experiencing nearly record breaking heat with temperatures exceeding
over thirty degrees extremely rare.

Speaker 13 (01:01:09):
Us so is Dubai, but they're actually creating their own
rain storms. Fifteen million dollars has been invested in funding
none different rain enhancement project, one of which will be
conducted by rain controlling drones engineered by the University of Reading.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
What is happening to the planet?

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
So sorry for the buzzkilled two things, And I think
my next video actually does go further into the.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
I forget now. If it does, we'll find out.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
But so the thing I want to tone in on here
is there was the bomb testing in the ocean, and
then there was the fire, and I think there were
a couple other things where there's this big theory going
around that some deep underwater creature the headline dormant for
who knows how long, got woken up by that explosion.
Obviously it didn't really pan out. I feel like we

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would know by now for sure, because that was a
few year years ago. But it was a fun and
tantalizing theory.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
Well, because a couple things happened at the same time,
it was like were they trying to were they actually
just testing? Were they trying to kill something?

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
Yeah, it seemed to sort of like a either a
cause and effect or just I don't believe in coincidence.
This is is odd that like, Yeah, however, to her
to your point about you know, these things have always
happened in history, and we're making a big deal of
it because we can see it. What is widely considered
by historians to be the worst year in human history

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was five thirty six a d. And it was there
was a global volcanic winter, So there was a massive
volcanic eruption in Iceland, and the ash from the volcano
that stuff spreads, it blocked the sun for a year
and a half, which caused crop failures, starvation. It was

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a lot colder, and this kind of segued into the
Plague of Justinian which began five years later, which killed
millions of people. And then there were more volcanic eruptions
that kind of followed that kept things down for a
long time. So it was a really, really bad time
and that is considered to.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
Be the worst in I think it's the impressionistic paintings.
The paintings in it's like the.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
Eighteen hundreds where everything just looks vake leaf, hazy and foggy, fozzy. Yeah,
it's not because they're trying to create an effect. It's
because England was going through a volcanic winter at that time,
so it like.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
Actually looked like that. Yeah, it looked like that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
And also it was segued from volcanic winter to you know,
all the coal fumes and the smug from industry, but
to the point of like you wouldn't think about, oh,
there was a volcanic winter in recorded human history really
really recently kind of. But it's when a volcano erupts,
it spreads out for a long time, it hangs out
in the air.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
Yeah, like it's been a long time since we've had
a super volcano go off. We're kind of overdue.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
People say overdue, as if the universe is keeping tabs,
and it's like, oh, shoot, I'm behind on that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
Better make it happen. But just in terms of statistics,
it is statistically these volcanoes seem to go off during
this period each time, and they've missed it and pressure
builds up underground, and it can only build up so
much before flo right, and so there is more concern
of like if it's taking longer. There's there's a whole
talk about it's not the San Andreas fault. There is
another fault up. I want to say, it's up in Washington.

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I think San Andreas goes this way and the other
fault goes this way and intersects San Andreas. I might
be a little bit wrong on that, but the.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
Idea of they have found from an earthquake before there
is I forget what it's called, but there is a
forest of trees that is now completely in the salt
water or something. There was an indication that the land
dropped down nine feet something like that from this massive
I need to do a show on like historical records
of earthquakes and tsunamis in like before we were measuring,

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because that's really cool. But basically, the idea that eventually,
presumably even anytime now, Washington, parts of Washington in California
could be cleaved off into the ocean by a massive
earthquake in this case not super volcano.

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
Oh no, that's awful.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Oh no, anytime now literally what's the hold up?

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
Anyway? It's funny because it when when I hear something
like the super volcano is it's overdue and it would
be worse because it's overdue or likely to be worse,
I wonder if it's one of those like gods like
hold off until the end and then give it all
you have. Oh yeah, yeah, that's a good point. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
I think in Naples, Italy is on a super volcano
called Era, like the whole city.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
That's great.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
It's kind of hard to avoid a disaster area not
gonna lie because where.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
You've got like faults. There's also I feel like we.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
This is maybe me just being really uneducated, but there's
the understanding of like we've tagged all these fault lines,
and there's this assumption that Okay, we know everything about
how the world is structured and works, and so we
know we can predict this, we can see this coming.
But then you hear of like earthquakes and areas where
there are no recorded faults, and it's.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
Like, well, actually, do we is our even our theory
as to what causes an earthquake?

Speaker 6 (01:06:04):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
The grading together of the things is that just conjecture?
Have we actually observed that do we know for sure
or is it something really?

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
Yeah, I don't know. I actually I'm realizing that I
would love to do a conspiratual episode on that if
I if I get to it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
But yeah, so our next video. I feel like she
does reference the situation more in this next video. But
if you have a thought, go for it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
Okay. I was just looking at my how dare you
my little progress? My little progress? I feel like you
can tell from when I last showed it that I've
made a couple of inches. I feel like I've seen
some progress. Did you work pretty fast? I keep like
in my head, I keep telling you what the color is? Yeah,
Like I was about to say, isn't this such a
pretty color? Can't say the color because Mommy and Deris

(01:06:52):
is listening. Watch she she won't even listen to this
episode until after Christmas, and she'd be like, you canna
say the color?

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
Or be like, oh, you know. I started listening to
that episode because it was really boring. As long as
I got bored, all right, let's put up that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
Oh yeah, that's funny. I changed the screen share and
then I was like, I I realized, here we go
the Texas. Guys, I had some of the skins. Is
gonna be her tucking? Is it? It's just subtitles, Guys.

Speaker 14 (01:07:23):
I had some of the scariest ocean nightmares last night,
and I'm gonna say it's definitely because of this. I
watched this video and it got me in a spiral.
If you've been following my stuff for a while, then
you're up to date with the Gulf of Mexico fire
and all that. Now I want to show you something
really important.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
Rageous places on the ocean's floor. I was only just
discovered in the nineteen nineties.

Speaker 9 (01:07:46):
My degree.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
It is one of a handful of people to ever
see any.

Speaker 6 (01:07:49):
Person wout a doubt, one of the most amazing things
that I had ever.

Speaker 14 (01:07:55):
Seen at the bottom of the ocean.

Speaker 5 (01:07:57):
It was well filmed.

Speaker 6 (01:07:58):
Me put blue planets in the golf Mexico and I
noticed there's something out in the distance, couldn't tell.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
Exactly what, but it looked like a dark band.

Speaker 6 (01:08:08):
And as we approached it, the dark band became a doughnut,
my son's doughnut.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
It was black in the center.

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
And what that had this stuff?

Speaker 6 (01:08:18):
And so as we get closer and closer to it,
I noticed that the black band and would appeared to
be kind of steam over it. And then I looked
and there was water lapping against the shoreline.

Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
This band was a wand.

Speaker 6 (01:08:38):
Of muscles, and inside the ring of muscles was a lake.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
And it was like, wait a minute, I already underwater.
We went out over the water.

Speaker 6 (01:08:51):
In this lake and tried to descend it and bounced off.
It was so super saline and dense that the submarine
I couldn't.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
We anding back in the shoreline.

Speaker 8 (01:09:09):
And then, yeah, my guy died in a helicopter crash.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
I don't know, man, It actually wasn't just him who
died in the helicopter crash. The other guy in the
helicopter was the other guy who was in the submarine
when they discovered this lake, which is why people make
a big deal about he's American, the other guy's American.
This helicopter crash happened in Australia, and it could be
a coincidence, but it is definitely how soon after I
am not one hundred percent her on that she might

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clarify I forget from the video.

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
That's interesting because it's like it's let's see, it's it's
hard because on the one hand, it's like, Wow, you
just killed everyone who knew the thing that you're not
supposed to know. But at the same time, like he's
already on video talking about the thing, right, So what
have you gained by killing him except drawing attention to
him and what he said? Yeah, people just die in

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helicopter crashes, guys, Right, And that's the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
And it's not unlikely for him to die in the
helicopter crash with the other guy. If they're working on
a team together, they're going to be flying somewhere together.

Speaker 15 (01:10:10):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
I'm not entirely sure When it sounds like that crash
happened in twenty twelve, I want to see when he
discovered the underwater lake or is talking about it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
My other questions would be like what else did he
know about it that he hadn't already said, Like what
would they be stopping him? And then what human motivation
would there possibly exist for covering up the existence of
a DC light like that he just discovered.

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
So it looks like he discovered it in the nineteen
ninety so there's a good period of time, I want
to say, like ten fifteen years. Yeah, And I am
kind of just like but like oh no, and underwater,
like we actually know those exist already. I think the
other thing, others have been found like it there are
just areas of the ocean floor that are super saline.
I mean, if if going to kill people for discovering
areas of supercilian water, like what about the dead Sea?

Speaker 1 (01:11:04):
That's why it's called the dead sea? Duh because if
you find out about it. Shot they're coming from me.
I can hear the outside of the door. Yeah, listen,
like you have to. I feel like so much of
what conspiracy theory has become and maybe it's always been
this way, and I didn't give it enough credit for that,
as like, oh, these people died in a helicopter accident

(01:11:25):
and they said this interesting thing. It must be connected.
It must be a conspiracy. And it's like, you know,
sometimes bad things happen, like people die in helicopter crashes,
and it's just because they said something interesting like it. Yeah,
you have to make such a leap there. There are
a couple leaps that you could be making. I she

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airs toward like you know, the government is trying to
suppress things. I could see another take where so we
know how the the ichthyologists really didn't want to buy
into the giant eel thing.

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
I could see if you were just like, so just
caure me. If you're so deeply honed into like this
must be the explanation of the world, and then you
got someone who is just really challenging that, and you
hate them, I could see just killing them. And it's
not like a government cover up. It's just like an
interpersonal slash inter It would be like if a CEO
of a big business oft another CEO of a different

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big business that was like messing up that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:21):
It's also like I would find something more suspicious if
they were randomly murdered in the street. But like, uh huh, yeah,
I know what you mean. Like it's harder to make
a helicopter crash happen than to, like it is, put
out a hit on somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
Also, though it would be interesting, I'm not saying one
way or another. I'm just I like to find context
before I make a full judgment. It would be interesting
to know if it's not even about the underwater lake thing,
but if he had made some other more recent discovery
his work was right before that, Yeah, that is worth
looking into.

Speaker 1 (01:12:57):
Yeah, like if a research team that is into interesting
things like that I goes goes down like this would
I would I would not be looking at something that
they did fifteen years prior and already talked about on film,
unless the.

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
Fifteen years prior was the beginning of something like they're
tracing it back to something that started. So say, for instance,
this is again just spitballing. So government, if I have
accidentally stumbled upon the real truth, please don't kill me,
because I am not believing what I'm saying. If I
just trying to enter into the mindset of why the
government would want to cover up an under water like

(01:13:34):
what if there are some underwater bases that have been
set up for some like really weird experimentation with like
power sources or I don't know, like even certain testyle
stuff that they are keeping super duper on the download
that no one knows about except this guy stumbled across
it in one of his submarins, was letting and would
let it go and was like knocking on the wrong course.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
I highly doubt that. Again, where I would need to
find the context is what was up to before then.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
But that's the only way I could see the conspiratorial
stuff working we are going to cover in the mermaid one.

Speaker 1 (01:14:04):
This lady shows up a lot. She very much pushes mermaids.
She like desperately needs them to be real. And she
teams up with this other person and they're going to
talk about how the government is trying to shut down
this person's exposing of mermaids. I do find it kind
of funny that people think that the.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
Government cares whether there's mermaids or not, because of I
guess the implications of like what would it matter to
the government if the murmurids were real unless they're working
with them and the mermaids are spies or something.

Speaker 1 (01:14:31):
It is funny though, because and what you can finish
seventy years, so often it seems like more of like
a childish my. There's this interesting thing in my authority.
My mommy and daddy don't want me to know about it,
and it's they just put the government on it, or
they put the Jews, or they put some like fantasy

(01:14:55):
thing of like what's suppressing it? But the real fantasy
is like I have found the secret knowledge that I'm
not allowed to know about that people have been killed for.
It really is that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
I think the same side of the other side of
the same coin is if you can prove that there
is someone trying to suppress your knowledge, that proves that
your knowledge is legitimate and of value and super secret
and cool. There's actually more of that video that we
need to pull back up and finished watching.

Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
But see what was I going to say? Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
The other possible pushback, though, is when you do have
something that seems kind of like a benign discovery and
there are enough weird circumstances around it where it seems
like someone's covering up and you're like, I literally can't
think of why. It would almost make me circle back
around to be like, maybe something is happening and I
don't know what it is because it's so secret, but
someone accidentally rubbed up against the outline of something, Yeah,
triggered a few safety things.

Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
Yeah, And that would be easier to believe again if
it had happened a lot closer to him discovering it.
But who knows, I would have to look frother into it. Okay, ah, heep,
we goin. So if anything happens to me, be suspicious. Okay,
now that we're up to date, this is where I aspire.

Speaker 15 (01:16:01):
Prices in the Gulf of Mexico is the oil company
DP has once again made a huge error. This time,
the oil company has accidentally ripped a hole into another dimension.
The oil company stated that it knew accordal to another
dimension was there, but drilling into it would prove problematic.
Now rods of creatures but another dimension are spilling out

(01:16:23):
into our reality at Recanic.

Speaker 8 (01:16:25):
Okay, then I found out about this Indonesian sub that
was sunk and found in three pieces at the bottom
of the ocean.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
We have a clip coming up that's gonna elucidate this,
so we don't have to watch this part because that
YouTube video I have is gonna be the same information.
So we're done with this today. Yeah, we could be
done with okay, because that next one is going so
was the fire was in the Gulf of Mexico, And
now she's talking about in the submarine and so yeah,
she's connecting some things.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
I think I haven't watched all of her breakdowns because
this was stuff I was pulling for my TikTok feed.
But I think probably this was with the theory of
things across the ocean are waking up because of the explosion.

Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
Oh and that's why it's connected. But it also wouldn't
surprise me if she is not critical thinking enough to
separate the ocean is very large, and one thing happening
here does not necessarily have to do with anything over here,
or just the idea of this further proof that there
is stuff happening in the ocean. She's not saying this
thing caused this thing, but just the fact that like
these things happen mean, yeah, well, but it feels like

(01:17:29):
happens with these creators. Yeah. Is they take everything that
has the same sort of squaky feeling to it, and
because it has the same squaky feeling to it, if
they can present it, especially in a short form content
like TikTok, and you're only consuming, you're just mindlessly sculling about,
you're not putting like you're not watching a documentary and
sitting there with your glass of wine really thinking about it.

(01:17:51):
And because it has the same squeaky feeling and you're
not thinking about it very much, your brain tells you
that it's connected, and she's presenting it as if it's connected,
when if you gave it any amount of thought at all,
it's quite connected.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
They throw anything at the wall to see if it
sticks and they're kind of counting on you, just being like, oh,
these these all feel like proof. I have a few
videos saved on my phone where it's like that with
other things, but I'm like, Okay, I want to break
down the individual parts and look into them and see
if I can make broader connections or if it just
falls apart. I think this happens a lot with Pyramids,
where I will just see videos of people rattling off

(01:18:26):
random facts about the pyramids and then be like, and
this means this, and it's like, well it could. I'd
like to do the math too, because I don't know you.
I don't trust how you do math.

Speaker 1 (01:18:33):
Like sometimes people just aren't showing their work, but the
work happened and they just tried to condense it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
They're giving you the highlights. But yeah, yeah, I find
myself struggling with that in shows where it's like I
don't want to show you all the nitty gritty because
I feel like it's going to be too boring. But
then if I give you all the highlight reel, it's
gonna sound like I'm skipping too much. So I know that,
but oftentimes when I see it's gonna sound weirdly. I
don't know how to say it. Except for race, there

(01:19:01):
are a lot of videos of that type, and I'm
not lumping Phoebe into that. I don't think phoebea is
a great like. I think she just wants things to
be true. They have the same accent, and it's this weird,
sort of retarded British sounding accent. I think it's probably
a normal British accent, but it just sounds really retarded,
and it's the same intonations. It's different people, but I'm like,

(01:19:21):
there's I just it feels like the same type of
person gravitates towards this form of video, and it makes
it really hard to digest if they're even saying anything
of value. I don't know how to explain it without
sounding really awful but so racist against British people.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
Liz thinks all British people are retarded, by the way,
that's what I said. They are people, probably, I'm just kidding,
but I don't know, Like all cultures aren't created equal.
It's the same. Like, I don't even think I can
copy it. I wish I had come with receipts to
show you exactly what I'm referring to but it just
kind of feels like this person got fired from McDonald

(01:19:57):
so they started making YouTube compilation videos. Anyway, enough about
the British, uh so let's watch that short YouTube video
that gives us the background of the submarine thing, because
it is a little weird. I don't know enough about
how subs Oh, speaking of which there was, I think
it was nineteen sixty eight, is what's sticking in my head.
Four submarines disappeared, and I want to say, like the

(01:20:18):
same area, they were from different There's one that was Israeli,
one that was I forget the other. I just remember
this early one. Oh so it's Masad juice. It was Masade. Yeah,
well you can. You can leave the thing up because
we're going to plan it in a second or no.

Speaker 6 (01:20:30):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:20:31):
I wanted everyone to see my face when I realized it.
I see.

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
So I think that led to some like is there
something like it's it's not. It wasn't in a time
of war where submarines were getting shut down, So it
was like, why are so many going missing?

Speaker 1 (01:20:46):
What is happening to them? What is doing this to them?
Because it wasn't from the same maker. It wasn't like,
oh yeah, all of Boeing's subs just kind of suck.
They do that sometimes. But anyway, yeah, okay, does boe
make ups really not? I guess I just said Boeing
because I was making a correlation to iled this now, because.

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
I know there was a whole Boeing thing where all
the whistleblowers were going missing and they were the Boeings
were falling out of the signs.

Speaker 1 (01:21:10):
Do they make ups?

Speaker 15 (01:21:11):
Yes, they do.

Speaker 1 (01:21:12):
They make the ORCA extra Large Unmanned Undersea Vehicle, the
x l u u V for the United States Navy.
It's not it's not a huge stretch. I mean they're like,
one has to keep capin pressure, one has to keep cam.

Speaker 14 (01:21:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
Well, I mean it's kind of like just an underwater plane.
So the ones that went missing in nineteen sixty eight,
it was right, was in ISLI submarine i NS deck are,
French Submarine Minerve, Soviet submarine K one two nine, and
US submarine USS Scorpion. Interesting, they actually did ocurrent different locations.
Three hundred and eighteen people in total died, led to

(01:21:46):
a lot of changes in submarine safety design. It was
probably just some old submarines left over from the dark ages,
but it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:54):
Was kind of failing at the same time. They were
all probably built in the sands and a couple of years.
Yeah that makes sense. Yeah, it's really French Soviet aging.
You noticed some right into a fire, walk walk into
an underground, underwater a lake and blow up. Okay, yes,
let's go.

Speaker 16 (01:22:15):
A missing Indonesian submarine has been found cracked apart on
the seafloor and waters off Bali. The vessel was broken
into three pieces at a depth of eight hundred and
fifty meters, well beyond its survivable limits. Rescuers have also
discovered new objects, including a life vest. The military has
confirmed all fifty three personnel on board have died. The

(01:22:37):
submarine disappeared during exercises off the coast of Bali on
Wednesday last week, sparking a frantic operation to locate it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
So it doesn't really show you as much of the
lafe jacket and some other things do, but basically it's
very very shredded.

Speaker 1 (01:22:52):
It looks odd. All the armchair commentators I've seen are like,
this doesn't doesn't make sense. I mean, anything could caused it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
If there was like an explosion inside the submarine, which
resulted into cracking into three pieces. It is weird that
it broke into three pieces. I don't know why it's
weird because I feel like just the Titanic primed me
to believe that ship's break into two that's just how
they feat Like, how dare they break into right? Three
is excessive? Also, did you know, for the longest time,
survivors who watched the Titanic sink were saying it broke

(01:23:21):
into half and the lights were on as it was sinking,
and everyone was like, no, no, that's not how ship sink,
and they gas lit all these people and it was
almost like a conspiracy saying it was in two pieces.

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
And it was only when the Titanic was actually found
they were like, oh, okay, it was in two pieces.
And then they found about their source of evidence that
showed the steam room was still active or whatever, so
the lights would have been on as it was going down.
It's crazy to me that, like people watched it happen
and then we're told, oh, yeah, he's like you just
remembering this from your eyewitnesses. That's there's something wrong with
the scientific community when that's the case. When when you

(01:23:53):
don't believe eyewitness accounts that are able to convict in
a court of law. But you're like, no, that can't happen.
So it can't happen.

Speaker 2 (01:24:02):
It's like there was an older I want to say,
so it was in Japan. There was a period where
it was believed Japan recorded like Genghis Khan's forces came
oversea to attack Japan. I think it was Genghis Khan
and that a great windstorm sank all the ships, and
the scientists were like, oh, they poop put it like

(01:24:23):
they're like, no, there's no record of hurricanes in the
area at that time or whatever, like it could not
have happened. They're making this s up or whatever. And
then they find the silk patterns in the ocean or
whatever is consistent with something of that nature of having
happened at that time period. There's Roanoke where the Roanoke
community literally agreed with the captain before he went back

(01:24:43):
to England for help, that okay, if we have to leave,
which we likely will, we will write a note on
a tree or so, you know, some prominent place as
to where we go. And then he came back and
they had left a note on a tree as to
where they went, and he did not check up on
that location because he had some sort of emergency off
shore and got pulled away too far to get back,
and then he just didn't check.

Speaker 1 (01:25:05):
And then he was like guy the ionic guess.

Speaker 2 (01:25:07):
Uh, they'll be fine, and then other people. This is
where it becomes more conspiratorial in record but not in
real life. Is that people believe that people tried to
find it and couldn't, and it's that the people who
were claiming to come to find it were actually coming
on like for trading trips. They were ostensibly claiming to
do this one thing and while doing another thing, no
one actually looked.

Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
Yeah, to make money. It's just people being slimy. It's
just like it was my job to check up on them.
But I, you know, that seems like way too much work.
And to me, it's like, I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:25:36):
I feel like it's if they said they were gonna
leave a note as to where they were going. They
were friends with these people, and then they left the
note that said that they went there. They probably went there. Yeah, Yeah,
that's probably what.

Speaker 1 (01:25:46):
Happened, is my That's the like really easy. Yeah. Going
back to the to the girl who was like crashing
out about these different events. It just shows a lack
of understanding of like the world in the ocean, because
it's like you're telling me you're crashing out because like
five weird events happened in the ocean in the span
of a few months, Like the ocean's crazy, lady, and

(01:26:08):
it's like, what of the world. Yeah, there's like chips
have been going down since the dawna time, since the
Donna ships. It shouldn't be crazy to you that a
submarine comes apart sometimes or that like like happen.

Speaker 2 (01:26:24):
If we were finding submarines with giant bitemarks in the sides, right,
that would be worth writing home about. Tell me if
we find some of those, I would like to know.
But I think that there's a type of person who
just desperately needs there to be chaos syndrome all the time.
I'm not trying to make it that sound like I
was like really judging her character, but she has a
content creator. She needs that sort of yeah thing for

(01:26:45):
her stuff. So I have two more things to share
with you. I will warn upfront these are a little
bit like they're not disturbing in terms of content that
is like violent or weird, but the sounds are unsettling.
So these are two sounds that were recorded underwater. The
first one and you might have heard these sounds before,
but they are often when played, they're played at sixteen

(01:27:06):
times speed, and so they sound underwhelming and everyone's like, oh, okay,
what's the big deal? Like whatever fish made this wasn't big.
So the blop sound is a famous one, and I
want to say it was recorded like coming from several
thousands of miles away. They determined like the source of
I don't know how they determined all of that, but
basically this sound that you're hearing has to be incredibly loud.

(01:27:31):
The next time we're going to play was like recorded
at a three thousand mile distance something like that. And
these are played at one time speed, so you can
get a feel for what the sound is like. We're
not gonna play the whole thing. We're just gonna play
the exciting part. Okay, take all to build up. This
is a that's the ocean.

Speaker 3 (01:27:48):
I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:27:50):
Spikes headphones on.

Speaker 11 (01:27:52):
If you really want to kind of sounds, you're probably

(01:28:27):
good to stand up there. Did you hear that?

Speaker 1 (01:28:29):
Like uptick and sound there? It's just like a yeah,
when it's platarally fast, called the blop because it goes
bloop and it just sounds like a cute little fish.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
But this is one where they're really not sure. They
kind of theorize it could have been an ice shelf
breaking off. There are some sounds that are recorded that
sound really eerie, and it's like, oh, yeah, but that's
an underwater volcano.

Speaker 1 (01:28:46):
They've determined that source. There's one sound that's recorded that
happens pretty regularly from Point Nemo, which is the furthest
point from land. It seems to be because.

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
It seems to be regular, there's probably some natural, recurring
explanation to it. Or this could be where all of
the giant sharks meet up to mate and it's their
sexy noises that you're hearing.

Speaker 1 (01:29:07):
I think so much of the discussions about the ocean
and stuff like this are like the fear is in
the unknown, and it's like fast little phobia. Yeah, yeah,
that's one hundred percent, but it's it's the same thing
as the fear of the dark.

Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
I'm not afraid because it's dark. I'm afraid because there
could be something out there with me and I wouldn't
see it right and it's the same with ocean, where
like there could be so much really weird stuff and
you can't see it, but it can see you because
they're all telepathic. And my controlling okay, dragged off the government.

(01:29:42):
So that next sound I find a little bit scarier.
It's the Julia sound because when it's played at sixteen
times speed, it sounds like the word Julia, but not
really like it's just a close It's like an auditory thing.
It's I'm not trying to apply it all something as
saying Julia underwater.

Speaker 1 (01:29:57):
It's just that's why it's named that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
And this one has heard from like three thousand miles
and there is no set explanation. The scientists go back
and forth on it sounds like a creature.

Speaker 1 (01:30:57):
It's it's it's not, it's it's ominous because you don't
know what it is. And it's ominous because you feel
like you're under the ocean just waiting for something to
come get you and you're blind. You know how you're
ever going in movies when when someone's swimming or you're
under the water, you feel like you have to hold
your breath the whole scene. Like I feel that way
when I when all that ocean backgroundise. I feel like

(01:31:20):
people just get really scared about these sounds for like,
actually no reason, uh huh. It's just that it's a
viral recording and it's just that like eerie.

Speaker 2 (01:31:30):
It's because kind of we should we know, we shouldn't
be hearing this, because if we were hearing it in
the wild, we'd be dead because we'd be in the ocean.

Speaker 1 (01:31:36):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (01:31:37):
Also side note, because you mentioned movies underwater filming, part
of the reason why I was inspired to write Planetize
is the way they frame the filming of movies in space,
like people doing work, the way they do the angles
from behind. It's the same way they frame a scene
when they're trying to tell you someone is sneaking up
on you. Yeah, And it always gives me that feeling
of like you're not alone out there. I just know,

(01:31:59):
And like this is gravity where Sandra Bullock is just
trying to fix your ship and it's fine, there's no aliens,
but you just feel the whole time.

Speaker 1 (01:32:05):
Like, but Gravity's so creepy. Yes, I that that's one
of the few movies there are is like I feel
a little I just love to watching this, Yeah, but
I will say, so sperm whales. That was it? Just
that's what I want to say.

Speaker 2 (01:32:19):
If I'm remember christ, I believe it's sperm whales. They
are so loud that if you are right kind of
in their proximity. I don't know how far proximities defined.
When they do their will song, the sound will kill
you because it is so loud. Yeah, they're not loud
enough to make the sound this loud over three thousand miles.
But this, to me sounds a little bit like whale song,

(01:32:42):
the Dulia sound. And so if we're scaling it up,
something like a whale big enough to make a sound
that travels that far that loud.

Speaker 1 (01:32:50):
Or Unison, a bunch of whales singing.

Speaker 2 (01:32:53):
In I don't know, but a choir of enormous whales
in Unison, if we want to, like, what if all
the blue whales we've seen are the runt and the actual.
I'm gonna get killed for Satans by the government.

Speaker 1 (01:33:08):
Out in pot but I don't have long. I don't
have long after get the truth out out in Point Nemo.
There is a blue whale the size of Jupiter. I'm sorry, correction,
the size of your mom is so big, and I
don't have long just it's one of those things like
it's kind of hard to disprove because you can't go

(01:33:29):
out and just search the whole, like the Marianna French
challenge your deep all that's fun stuff. But I do
think that there are things that there. However, it is
worth noting a lot of the ocean life we see
most of it is out on the shelves before the
abysstal drop, because that's where all the food is. So
when you go out into the deep to sustain something

(01:33:49):
that big, you need a lot of food, but you
don't have the same construct of food. What you have
out in the deep is like the bottom beaters. They
catch things like whale falls and I guess shark falls.
Things that like, they're not sorry, I almost acidentally left
the thing. They're not consistent, they're not reliable sources of food.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:34:10):
I mean, there could be more of a rich life
on the ocean floor than we realize. But probably it
is a valid question to ask, Okay, there is room
for something big out there, but is there a means
of sustaining that? And it's it may well be that
you have those big things, but like the blue whales
are just not that common because they have to have
much of a wider feeding range.

Speaker 1 (01:34:28):
They might not get along with others. I don't know.
I blue wheals don't get along with others. But yeah,
so this has been the ocean is weird with Liz
the ocean is weird. No conclusions have been made, nothing
has really been said. Sela cans good talk. Maybe maybe
the title of this should be the Ocean is weird.
I'm done for that. Yeah, I'm because I'm not married

(01:34:49):
to any title, so I'm happy, happy with that.

Speaker 2 (01:34:52):
But yeah, just like and I'm sure that there's so
many other things that I could pull up that just
the ocean without any embellishment. The things that it produces
are just so alien and strange. You don't even need
real aliens because you have owls and you have blobfish,
and that is just as much weirdness as we actually
do need in this world.

Speaker 1 (01:35:09):
It is funny how people go looking for weirdness when
there's plenty of weirdness. It's like that they go looking
for fake weirdness so they don't actually have to look
at the real weirdness, which is a whole like deep
philosophical Meyer there. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:35:28):
Also side note, I'm going to see if I can
share the screen with you guys, because I want to
show you just a random boy, just because the reason
I said owls are weird.

Speaker 1 (01:35:38):
Boy. Okay, let me just figure out how to screenshare
and then you guys will see what I'm talking about.
I don't know. Actually, then we'll be done. What I'll
do because I'm I'm suddenly having a boom Roman. I'm
going to drop this link into the notes so you
can pull it up abby into the notes. Okay, yes, because.

Speaker 2 (01:35:54):
This is why I say that owls are weird, and
this is what I think actually explains some alion sighting.

Speaker 1 (01:35:59):
It's like the grays. Oh my goodness, gracious, Okay, I
already saw way too much. This is hi. This is
worse than anything we have seen entire show. And it's
not even ocean related. But I will say God created
birds and ocean creatures on the same day. Maybe this

(01:36:20):
is why this is why the real there's no sound,
so for audio listeners, I already saw them, but it's
such ascare this baby owls. They don't have a lot
of feathers, they have such long legs, and they stand.
They look like little gray aliens with their enormous eyes,
their little beaks, they're holding their wings close to their

(01:36:40):
bodies and they're standing like freaking humans. I can see
seeing that in the dark and just yeah, fully honestly
just being convinced their aliens, because like, I'm not even
convinced that's a bird. That might be someone who's confused
and that's actually an alien. But there we are. So
this has been there, and also owls, and also owls.

(01:37:04):
It is that it does make you wonder of like,
are a lot of our like weird cryptid alien UFO stuff,
just animals that the scientific community won't admit exists or
haven't discovered or some combination thereof.

Speaker 2 (01:37:20):
And also I think because we have the Internet, we
have all this sources of stuff. New interesting things kind
of lose their appeal really really fast. We kind of
like the novelty wears off and we still need the hit.
So it's like everything that we've been given on this
earth is already actually super weird and fascinating and creepy
to any degree that we know is real. And then

(01:37:41):
there is stuff I know that we haven't discovered yet,
but it seems like people want to manufacture more and
more and more bigger, bigger hits, like no, it's it's
not enough that there are giant squids. We need something
that is the size of like the Empire state building.
And part of that is movies, and part of that's
just like we desire the unknown.

Speaker 1 (01:37:55):
But I forget where I was going with that, But
I think that we desire a hit of creepiness from
something that we know in our hearts is not real, yes,
or we believe like we believe at the end of
the day, isn't actually real and can't hurt it, as
opposed to looking at something like genuinely speaking of.

Speaker 2 (01:38:19):
Suggested reading before our next episode, which is on Mermaids,
you do not have to read this. It's actually just
a book recommendation. I have to remember the title now
because there's two that have similar titles, and one is
good and one is just the worst.

Speaker 1 (01:38:31):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:38:32):
It's called Into the Drowning Deep by Sean and Maguire.
Slight warning because one of the characters is gay. But
it's not like super duper practicing gay.

Speaker 1 (01:38:40):
It's like slight warning, jump scare homosexuality, Yes, jump scare homosexuality,
suggar warning. It is how do I put this. It
convinces you and your gut feeling that Mermaids are real,
just in the same way that watching a horror movie
convinces you you're not alone, and also that it is
a horrible thing. Mermaids are real, So if anyone wants

(01:39:03):
a scary, horrible mermaid story.

Speaker 2 (01:39:07):
I recommend that book anyway. So that's all I have
for this show. I love it, and then next week
we'll be doing something similar, just with honing in on.

Speaker 1 (01:39:15):
I love that this wasn't actually like a part one
and part two but like just sisters sister shows.

Speaker 14 (01:39:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:39:20):
I kind of just wanted to establish the ocean as
weird before I went into mermaid stuff, so that's the
only link really. But also because I had enough and
it wasn't connected enough, or I was like, okay, I
can't shove this all into one show and make you
feel cohesive.

Speaker 1 (01:39:31):
All right, Love you guys, thanks for coming to my
tad talk. Hope you sleep well after seeing all these
totally real things that we know are real that can
see you.

Speaker 14 (01:40:00):
Bo.

Speaker 1 (01:40:11):
Did you go to the Big

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