February 28, 2025 • 27 mins
Have you ever felt trapped within the boundaries of your own experiences? In this episode, we delve into the transformative power of exposure—how it can expand your worldview and shift the way you expect possibilities in your life. Join us as we recount personal stories that highlight pivotal moments when exposure changed our paths, opening doors to opportunities previously deemed impossible.
We reflect on memorable encounters—like that time someone inspired us by simply saying, “Get what you want,” or the impactful experiences in environments that challenged our usual perspectives. These stories serve as powerful reminders of how important it is to have mentors and role models guiding us along our journeys.
Through engaging discussions, we emphasize the responsibility that comes with your growth; as you expand, it’s crucial to uplift others with your newfound insights. Our conversations focus on the importance of giving back and fostering a nurturing community where knowledge is shared freely. As exposure leads to expansion, we highlight that your story could inspire someone else to dream bigger and reach higher.
Join us in this conversation that encourages reflection, personal growth, and a commitment to serve others by sharing insights and experiences that can help change lives. Ready to unlock a world of possibilities? Tune in to enrich your understanding of how exposure creates expansion for us all. Don't forget to subscribe, share your thoughts, or leave a review!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Exposure does create expansion.
That's a powerful quote, man.
That really is a powerful quote, because when I sit and I think
about the things that I'vewanted to work towards, it's
because someone else gave me aglimpse, like a small taste of
like what that would be like ifthat and I'm like, wow, like
this life-changing moment isjust your life, like this thing
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that's such a big deal to me isjust how you live every day,
casually, and it's not aboutwealth and it's not about the
money and all that.
It's just about that.
There's a better version ofthis.
You know what I mean.
Like there's a better versionof my health, there's a better
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version of my body and you canhelp me get there.
There's a better version.
There's a better car, there's abetter home, there's better
relationships I can have, andmeeting the right people lets
you know that you can accessthat better life.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
I actually took time to learn about how incredible
you were.
Nothing would ever stop me.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
You can be someplace and still not feel like you
belong, as long as you tellyourself that you don't belong.
But the day that you decidethat you, more than belong, that
you have an expectancy ofyourself, like I expect for you
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with all the things you've seen,all of your experiences, I
expect you to have anunbelievable life my expectation
, life, my expectation.
But if you don't expect you'regoing to have an unbelievable
life, you could have all theseincredible opportunities around
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you, but you won't allowyourself to see it Because, just
like when you left DC and youmoved out, like you were only
I'm only DC, which is great.
Dc is a great city, it is whatit is.
But've you've been in otherplaces in the world?
You, you've seen things and Ifeel like one of the things that
we have to do is we have tohave exposure.
We have to have exposurebecause when you get exposed to,
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to, to it, whatever it is, itchanges you.
It changes you and there's onehope that I pray for is that so
many kids growing up that theycan just like.
I remember being in Newark, newJersey, and we was taking these
bus trips and we used to go pastOrange.
It was like called Orange, newJersey.
So I was in Newark but Orange,new Jersey, had these houses,
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man, and these houses were.
I'm in this little apartment upon the third floor and I'm
driving by these houses and I'mlike, man, look at these houses,
like they could probably fitseven of my apartments in this
house.
And it did something to mebecause I realized and side note
, I remember driving by becauseI had to go to a tutor at this
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library, at the Orange something, orange Library, whatever it
was.
And I will never forget the daythat I watched a black woman
walk out of one of those houses.
I'm on the bus driving by and Isee her walk out and I'm like,
oh okay, we could do it, wecould do that, we could do it,
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we could do that, we could do it.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Exposure changes everything.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Changes everything.
Man Exposure changes everything.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
We all have a Don't.
We all have quite theresponsibility then right.
So it goes back to what I wassaying about.
Everyone has some form ofexposure they can give back From
.
Just you know, we all aredifferent places.
For some people, just seeingthe neighborhood kids, what's
going on with black men,whatever you do to like, just
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uplift.
For other people, like you know, shout out.
I can go down the list for daysof people who played, who
exposed me to different thingsover the years, from the CJs to
the Maws to the Paduras, like Ihad never.
The first time I went to Jamal'scrib I was confused.
I said why your house got threehouses on it.
Your house is four houses.
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What's this about?
But his thing was everything beat the house basketball court,
pool club, movie theater, bar,the whole nine is.
I never saw nothing like thisin my life.
I never saw like this in mylife.
But when I saw it I was like,oh, it's possible.
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Now, I don't know if I wantthat many square feet, but it's
possible.
Right, a gym, a gym in thehouse, everything, weight room.
Then we were going to see how.
Shane, when he had me, I waslike man, this is crazy.
This is your everyday Bars inthe house, everything.
I'm just like man.
This is dope to be able to seethis.
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So now, which once was myceiling now became the floor.
Now it's crazy.
Like you said, once you seethings you can't unsee it.
So I'll be in spaces with mychest, walking like this now and
people and you can feel thetension and stuff people give
you Like man, what you chest,walking like that and you ain't
seen what I've seen.
I know something different now.
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I know something possible.
I didn't think it was possiblebefore, or not even that.
I didn't think it was possiblebut I never gave it thought
because you never touched it.
So it's something differentabout touching the thing, like
actually being able to touch it.
When you touch, you're like, oh, I thought it was real, but now
I touch it, it's real.
I, you know, was blessed enoughto have me in.
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They talking business.
I'm in there and they talkingbusiness that and they saying
numbers.
That's easy to them.
I'm sitting there.
They say some of these numbers,james, you know, you pull one
of these.
You're like I just see somenumbers there.
Numbers got a couple zeros, man, I got a number with two zeros.
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I might got a number with onezero, maybe two man, $100.
But they say a thing that's justsuch common that when you get
the information and you go backto your neighborhood or wherever
you go, or you speak to someyouths or, in your case, you go
speak to kids at school, you canliterally tell them, like man,
it's possible.
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And this is how.
Hey man, I know you think yourlife is as big as this four
block radius, mostly because youcan't go over there, because
y'all got problems with thatneighborhood.
You can't go over there, soyou're kind of stuck in this
four block.
It's much bigger than this.
And the reason I know it's muchbigger than this, and the
reason I know it's much biggerthan this, and shout out to Mama
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Ye.
So one of the coolest people Iknew, a guy from Baltimore,
rusty Donye.
I remember when he passed Ifelt a little late and I know
you're not supposed to feelguilty like that, but I felt
late because he was getting introuble and I wanted to bring
him to Delaware because I had myapartment, just to get him out
of his environment a little bit,just because I knew the
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importance of it.
But I feel like I ain't doingfast enough, but I know I can't
take that blame, but you know Ifeel like I ain't doing fast
enough.
Well, I understood, though Iwas like it's important that you
guys see something bigger thanLike.
It's a lot more than that.
Like brother, it's more women,it's more money, it's more green
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, it's more water, it's more youknow ocean.
Not to say what you have rightnow isn't a good start, but like
hey, what's our next level,what you want to do from here,
what you want to like, what'sour next goal you want to get
Whether and it's not looking atthat person to put down, because
if you may be here and they maybe here, it's not to put them
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down their next goal, their nextgoal, may just be to get their
first apartment.
That's how we're going to do it.
What's our plan?
Where you want to move, whatcan we afford?
That's not, you know that cankind of keep you out of the way,
just like little things likethat.
So I think we all got a job todo.
When you know better, you giveback to somebody as best as you
can, or multiple people.
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Whenever you come across people, just be a blessing as best as
you can Just, you know, just tryto be a blessing, whether
that's you know, verbally, tosome younger people, whether
that's as a resource, whetherthat's connected resources just
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whatever, just find that placeto be.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
That for people, that's what I would say, you
know.
So when I went away to privateschool right, it was like this
crazy transition because oneweek I'm in Newark and all that
gunshots, needles in front ofthe house, just all that stuff.
And then we had a summer schoolso that it would help
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transition from being in Newarkschool system to private school
through the White Foundation.
And I remember going away forthat summer to Lawrenceville and
I'd never seen a place likethis before.
I mean, it was like somethingyou know.
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Now you can go online and seestuff, but before, like, you
couldn't really see anything butlike a brochure.
And then you're there and Iremember all this grass and all
these trees and people walkaround in these flip-flops and
it was just like a whole otherplanet and I couldn't believe it
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was only I mean.
So I was in Newark, it was inLawrenceville, new Jersey, so I
don't know.
Less than two hours or whatever, like in less than two hours, I
was on a totally differentplanet.
And one day Rhonda Geese, whenthe school started and I was
already immersed, she would comedown and she took me, took us
out, the students to um theground round in New Jersey.
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The ground I don't even know,the ground round is still there.
But we sit at the at therestaurant and I have this menu
and I I'm trying to look like Idon't know how this works, like
am I paying for this?
Like I don't, like I don't knowwhat's going on.
And she says something I'llnever forget get what you want,
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it's on me.
I've never had someone in mylife ever say get what you want,
it's on me Before.
Man, I ate so much, jamel.
I ate so much because you know,when you're in school you're
starving, you're just starving.
But just that one moment of youmean I can get whatever I want.
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That double cheeseburger, I canget that too.
And exposure really changeseverything, man, because you
know it's like, you think about,like when we've gone out to eat
, and you know, never, we've,never you've never heard me say
something like why are youwearing that?
Like that's too.
You know what I mean.
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Like you get what you want.
Like for you, for your mom, forthe kids.
You just get what you want, butyour get what you want.
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Now comes from a moment where awoman said to me get what you
want, and it was so powerful forme like I could still feel it
right now how how much thatmeant that I could literally get
what I wanted, and that's ametaphor for life that you can
get what you want.
Like life is this menu you canget what you want, but sometimes
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you do need that person.
Who's that bridge builder?
Speaker 2 (11:54):
I blame you.
That's why, when I'm on dates,I tell the girls they get what
they want.
When we're at the restaurant,it's your fault.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
I didn't say all that .
I didn't say all that.
You need to go to places with alimited menu, limited selection
.
Get what you want.
On this starbucks menu, it iswhat?
What side of the menu do youwant here?
Use my app, use my app.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
I'll let you use my app.
I got some points.
I got some points.
Oh my god, that is funny,that's good exposure, though I
think maul, I got a little point.
Oh my God, that's funny.
That is funny, that's goodexposure, though I think Mars is
.
I might have to paraphrase itit's like expansion leads to
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exposure.
Exposure leads to expansion.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
I think exposure leads to expansion.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
yeah, yeah, for sure.
For sure Remember when, forsure that's.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Remember when we were in Panama?
I mean, except for those littleflies that were biting the mess
out of you, right, thoseno-see-ums, yeah, yeah, yeah,
they were brutal, right?
Speaker 2 (13:03):
And I ain't never felt like that in my life.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Remember that one house that was a hotel, like it
was a part of the Westin and wehad that final party, but that
was the home of the owner of theWestin that we were at.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
I remember I had to go back to college.
I had to go back to school.
I was trying to figure out howto you, weren't there for that
last.
No, I was there.
Remember?
I left when they did thewelcoming party.
Right, that's right.
My teachers was going to filmit.
My teachers was going to hateon me and be like oh, this man
got the audacity to be in Panama.
I said, but I was in Panama for70 hours.
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I was heated but I was like,but I got to graduate.
I was like it's not about to bethe reason I'm standing here
for extra semester, because youknow, you know that's real,
though, like you can't, like youknow, never outshine a master
right.
So if you is, if you're in anysituation and you just think the
optics of that, like, oh, youdon't know, your teacher may
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can't, may not be able to go topanama or something like that,
she may be gray in papers andand I'm not saying it's the case
, that makes sense, but, sam,the optics can look like you
know, people can get jealous ofthings like that.
So I was like man, I got to getback.
I said I got to get back.
You know it's cool andeverything, but hey, this senior
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year we at the finish line.
I'm already sweating bullets.
I need to go back right now.
Matter of fact, my flightshould have left 10 minutes ago.
I got to get back to campus.
I was there such a short time,people didn't even think I was
there.
I had to show them pictures.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
That's why I forgot how quickly you left.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
People didn't think I was there.
They thought I was lying.
I said no, I was really there,that's the reason.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Yeah, you were in and out, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
In and out.
I told you my farewell partywas the welcoming party for
everybody else that got there,that's right.
I was gone the next morning.
It was crazy, I didn't even getto do nothing.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
I forgot about that.
I forgot about that.
But like when you, even whenyou go, you know my buddy, my
buddy Nakoda.
Um, you know Nakoda and Monica,they're always, they have.
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They have shown me the value oflike treating yourself well,
like really being good to you,you know, and exposure does
create expansion.
That's a powerful quote man thatreally is a powerful quote,
because when I sit and I thinkabout the things that I've
wanted to work towards, it'sbecause someone else gave me a
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glimpse, like a small taste, ofwhat that would be like if that
and I'm like, wow, thislife-changing moment is just
your life.
This thing that's such a bigdeal to me is just how you live
every day, casually, and it'snot about wealth and it's not
about the money and all that.
It's just about that.
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There's a better version ofthis.
You know what I mean.
Like there's a better versionof my health, there's a better
version of my body and you canhelp me get there.
There's a better version,there's a better version of my
body and you can help me getthere.
There's a better version.
There's a better car, there's abetter home, there's a better
relationships I can have, andmeeting the right people lets
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you know that you can accessthat better verse, that better
life, that there's someone outthere that's already living that
better life, and some of themare willing to reach back and
say, look, here's how you do it.
That's what blows me.
That's why I work so hard toexpose the kids and stuff,
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because I'm like I just wantthem to be exposed.
I want you to be exposed.
I just want us to be exposed.
The stuff that we talk about,like the law of attraction and
all that, that's all fromsomebody else's exposure.
Somebody else gifted us thatstuff.
Now it's up to us to be able togift it out.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
My bro DeJuan says.
He says and I try my best tohave as many great conversations
with great people as I can, soyou just learn and pick from
them.
Dejuan says that essentially,you make the best choice
paraphrasing of course you makethe best choice you can by the
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options you know to be available.
That's right.
So the only reason you madethat choice is because those are
the only options you knew.
That's true.
But to tie it back in whenexposure leads to expansion, now
you know there's more options,you know there's other things to
do.
Now, for any case, I'll give anelementary example, if you will.
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If we're playing, if I teachsomebody to play checkers or
chess, let's go with chess.
As you know, all of the piecesessentially can move different
ways.
But if I only teach you aboutthe pawn and that's the only
piece I teach you you're goingto just move that, because all
you're going to know to move.
But then if I teach you therook, then you're going to have
that.
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So now you're going to have twopieces in your arsenal and then
if I teach you about how thequeen can move, you're going to
add that.
Then if I teach you about thebishop, so the more you become
educated or the more people pourinto your cup, your options
become, you know, infinite or towhatever degree, and you just
be able to keep growing.
You're able to now choosedifferent.
So one of the other things wetalk about is a lot of people.
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He said something to me beforeso I was like man bro, you gotta
answer for everything.
You.
You like deep like that, likeyou know you get any concept.
But he used to just say stuffthat just used to like I'm like
oh, I never heard nobody explainsomething like that and you
just like, bro, you, you choosefrom another planet, or
something like where's the stuffcoming from?
And he said something he's likeno, I just have more
conversations than you and readmore than you, have had more
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experiences than you.
So when I'm speaking to you,I'm taking all this information
and learned experiences from alarger database than you have at
the moment.
So it's the same concept there.
So that's the goal you just yougot to figure out.
That's why you always have tobe a student of life, student of
conversation, like I purposelytry to master conversation, I
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purposely try to master myrelationship with people because
I know that I can grow, theycan grow and I can learn.
So you really become a student.
You know, I don't know.
You surrender to not knowingeverything essentially.
So once you surrender to that,you're like all right, what can
I learn?
Because I'm going to make adecision today and it's not
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necessarily whether the decisionends technically right or wrong
.
Chances are I made the bestdecision based upon what I knew
to be true, based upon options Iknew.
So oftentimes I can, let's say,if I say something is the wrong
answer, I'm gonna want to knowI was the right answer.
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And why is that the rightanswer?
So now you give me theprivilege of understanding or
adding another piece to myarsenal.
So now situation comes again.
I now have this that I canthink about.
Oh, I've seen this before.
And let's say, I get the nextanswer wrong.
Dang man, what I didn't knowthis time?
Oh, I didn't know about that.
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Okay, you gave me anotheroption, thank you, and you just
keep building on those things.
So the further you get, thelonger you go.
Whatever it is, you have thislarger database resources you
can pull from.
So that's always the goal rightthere.
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That's always the goal.
Keep trying to get options,keep trying to add tools to your
toolbox, because you'll neverknow what tools you need.
Every situation presents adifferent circumstance and every
situation doesn't require forthe same tools.
So you need a hammer, but allyou got is a screwdriver.
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You're going to be in trouble.
You're going to learn thelesson for not having a hammer
and you have to keep doing thatand just keep adding to your
tools, because you never knowwhat you're going to need.
You never know what you'regoing to need.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
You know, both of us, everyone in the family, our
lives have been changed by whatwe're exposed to, the people
that we met, the things thatthey exposed us to, the things
that they said that had us thinkon a different level.
And, you know, when I sit and Ithink about it, I just realized
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, man, how God, how really greatGod, has been to be able to've
had these teachers.
You know, and we, we still, westill getting more teachers that
have shown up and have pointedout something.
That's why, you know, I'mhaving, really I'm having this
moment of tremendous gratitudeto all the people that have
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peeled back the curtain just alittle bit more to be like oh,
and did you know this what?
Oh, did you know this, what?
I could do that, or I could dothis what?
And you know whether it's thestuff we listen to on YouTube or
the stuff we're streaming, orwhatever it is, whether our
mentors are live, alive,recorded live in our cell phones
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that we could call them.
I'm just truly grateful, man,that God has given us a gift of
exposure and just be like nowyou get to choose At least.
Now you get a choice, now thatI've lived, the number of years
that I've lived.
I truly pray to be a vessel ofexposure for people, to let
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people know that you can, firstof all, let us know that there's
another level we can get to.
And yeah, because I don't thinkGod, I don't think God has
shown us what we God has shownus for us to keep it to
ourselves Like we have to.
We have to open that door forother people have to.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
No matter your gift, I'm a firm believer that your
gift is not really yours, it'sGod's, that he's given you to
bring to life for other people.
So if your gift is singing,never truly make it, don't make
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it seem like it's yours.
It's really.
God gave you that to be able todo something with it for people
, to kind of give the glory andconnect with him.
It's a reason that he gave youthat.
That's it right there.
So you know it's important togive it away.
That's that's the purpose of it.
Like it's not.
And we live in a society that'svery capitalistic and things
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that you know can be, you know,very competitive if you will, um
, but if you, if you do, if youreally do have a gift man, it's
it's important to give it away.
I People listening.
I'm not telling you don't makemoney.
I'm not saying that.
But I'm saying to be a servantyou know what I mean To serve
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the people around you inproximity or just use it, give
it good.
You just said something aboutFrederick Douglass and you said
something not to get off topic,but you said something about.
Can you rewind to the pointwhere you said about the
greatness?
The quote that he said ongreatness.
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It was like the greatness isinside of you, something like
that.
You were saying that you weretying into him like reading and
like kind of greatness, uh,being in like, like side, when
people don't want you to knowyour greatness.
I think that that's still verytrue to this day, because if you
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know truly the favor you havefrom god and you know how great
you are and what you could do,it's like Jeff said lock my body
, can't trap my mind.
If people get this, you becomethe elephant with the string
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attached to it.
The Lord Nell, if the elephantknew how powerful it was, how
great the elephant was, theelephant would laugh.
It would laugh.
Knew how powerful was, howgreat that one was.
Elephant of laughs.
That will put string rightthere to laugh.
But they trapped the elephants,they locked elephant's mind
right.
So that goes to the point ofknowing how great you are.
Where you gotta?
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You gotta tap in often, dailyif you will, to just keep this
shop, especially in today wherewe in this fitness realm and
everybody want to keep thissharp, your abs sharp.
Work on this too.
Work on work on this too.
Work on this as much as you can, whether that's conversations
with people, um checking in onyour friends, checking in on
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people reading, um open it up sothat people pour in your cup or
whatever, which you gotta gottakeep this up.
Yeah, to keep this up.
It's a little bit fair.
And yeah, cuz you want to writea chapter, somebody passes it
is you're done your greatness,you ain't man.
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The last thing you want to do isquestion yourself.
You know what I mean.
The last thing you want to dois question yourself.
You question anybody you'regoing up against, but the moment
you question yourself, there'shesitation in, there's doubt.
There, you know, there's justnot a breeding ground for
success.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
There's not a breeding ground for success.
Exposure.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Exposure, exposure, that'd be exposure, man Exposure
, exposure, exposure exposure.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
If you actually took time to learn about how
incredible you were, nothingwould ever stop.
You See, the definition ofsight is the faculty or power of
seeing.
Exposure does create expansion.
That's a powerful quote, man.
That really is a powerful quote, because when I sit and I think
about the things that I'vewanted to work towards, it's
because someone else gave me aglimpse, like a small taste of
like what that would be like ifthat and I'm like, wow, like
this life-changing moment isjust your life, like this thing
(00:25):
that's such a big deal to me isjust how you live every day,
casually, and it's not aboutwealth and it's not about the
money and all that.
It's just about that.
There's a better version ofthis.
You know what I mean.
Like there's a better versionof my health, there's a better
(00:46):
version of my body and you canhelp me get there.
There's a better version.
There's a better car, there's abetter home, there's better
relationships I can have, andmeeting the right people lets
you know that you can accessthat better life.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
I actually took time to learn about how incredible
you were.
Nothing would ever stop me.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
You can be someplace and still not feel like you
belong, as long as you tellyourself that you don't belong.
But the day that you decidethat you, more than belong, that
you have an expectancy ofyourself, like I expect for you
(01:33):
with all the things you've seen,all of your experiences, I
expect you to have anunbelievable life my expectation
, life, my expectation.
But if you don't expect you'regoing to have an unbelievable
life, you could have all theseincredible opportunities around
(01:54):
you, but you won't allowyourself to see it Because, just
like when you left DC and youmoved out, like you were only
I'm only DC, which is great.
Dc is a great city, it is whatit is.
But've you've been in otherplaces in the world?
You, you've seen things and Ifeel like one of the things that
we have to do is we have tohave exposure.
We have to have exposurebecause when you get exposed to,
(02:16):
to, to it, whatever it is, itchanges you.
It changes you and there's onehope that I pray for is that so
many kids growing up that theycan just like.
I remember being in Newark, newJersey, and we was taking these
bus trips and we used to go pastOrange.
It was like called Orange, newJersey.
So I was in Newark but Orange,new Jersey, had these houses,
(02:39):
man, and these houses were.
I'm in this little apartment upon the third floor and I'm
driving by these houses and I'mlike, man, look at these houses,
like they could probably fitseven of my apartments in this
house.
And it did something to mebecause I realized and side note
, I remember driving by becauseI had to go to a tutor at this
(03:02):
library, at the Orange something, orange Library, whatever it
was.
And I will never forget the daythat I watched a black woman
walk out of one of those houses.
I'm on the bus driving by and Isee her walk out and I'm like,
oh okay, we could do it, wecould do that, we could do it,
(03:28):
we could do that, we could do it.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Exposure changes everything.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Changes everything.
Man Exposure changes everything.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
We all have a Don't.
We all have quite theresponsibility then right.
So it goes back to what I wassaying about.
Everyone has some form ofexposure they can give back From
.
Just you know, we all aredifferent places.
For some people, just seeingthe neighborhood kids, what's
going on with black men,whatever you do to like, just
(04:00):
uplift.
For other people, like you know, shout out.
I can go down the list for daysof people who played, who
exposed me to different thingsover the years, from the CJs to
the Maws to the Paduras, like Ihad never.
The first time I went to Jamal'scrib I was confused.
I said why your house got threehouses on it.
Your house is four houses.
(04:21):
What's this about?
But his thing was everything beat the house basketball court,
pool club, movie theater, bar,the whole nine is.
I never saw nothing like thisin my life.
I never saw like this in mylife.
But when I saw it I was like,oh, it's possible.
(04:42):
Now, I don't know if I wantthat many square feet, but it's
possible.
Right, a gym, a gym in thehouse, everything, weight room.
Then we were going to see how.
Shane, when he had me, I waslike man, this is crazy.
This is your everyday Bars inthe house, everything.
I'm just like man.
This is dope to be able to seethis.
(05:03):
So now, which once was myceiling now became the floor.
Now it's crazy.
Like you said, once you seethings you can't unsee it.
So I'll be in spaces with mychest, walking like this now and
people and you can feel thetension and stuff people give
you Like man, what you chest,walking like that and you ain't
seen what I've seen.
I know something different now.
(05:24):
I know something possible.
I didn't think it was possiblebefore, or not even that.
I didn't think it was possiblebut I never gave it thought
because you never touched it.
So it's something differentabout touching the thing, like
actually being able to touch it.
When you touch, you're like, oh, I thought it was real, but now
I touch it, it's real.
I, you know, was blessed enoughto have me in.
(05:46):
They talking business.
I'm in there and they talkingbusiness that and they saying
numbers.
That's easy to them.
I'm sitting there.
They say some of these numbers,james, you know, you pull one
of these.
You're like I just see somenumbers there.
Numbers got a couple zeros, man, I got a number with two zeros.
(06:06):
I might got a number with onezero, maybe two man, $100.
But they say a thing that's justsuch common that when you get
the information and you go backto your neighborhood or wherever
you go, or you speak to someyouths or, in your case, you go
speak to kids at school, you canliterally tell them, like man,
it's possible.
(06:26):
And this is how.
Hey man, I know you think yourlife is as big as this four
block radius, mostly because youcan't go over there, because
y'all got problems with thatneighborhood.
You can't go over there, soyou're kind of stuck in this
four block.
It's much bigger than this.
And the reason I know it's muchbigger than this, and the
reason I know it's much biggerthan this, and shout out to Mama
(06:49):
Ye.
So one of the coolest people Iknew, a guy from Baltimore,
rusty Donye.
I remember when he passed Ifelt a little late and I know
you're not supposed to feelguilty like that, but I felt
late because he was getting introuble and I wanted to bring
him to Delaware because I had myapartment, just to get him out
of his environment a little bit,just because I knew the
(07:10):
importance of it.
But I feel like I ain't doingfast enough, but I know I can't
take that blame, but you know Ifeel like I ain't doing fast
enough.
Well, I understood, though Iwas like it's important that you
guys see something bigger thanLike.
It's a lot more than that.
Like brother, it's more women,it's more money, it's more green
(07:31):
, it's more water, it's more youknow ocean.
Not to say what you have rightnow isn't a good start, but like
hey, what's our next level,what you want to do from here,
what you want to like, what'sour next goal you want to get
Whether and it's not looking atthat person to put down, because
if you may be here and they maybe here, it's not to put them
(07:51):
down their next goal, their nextgoal, may just be to get their
first apartment.
That's how we're going to do it.
What's our plan?
Where you want to move, whatcan we afford?
That's not, you know that cankind of keep you out of the way,
just like little things likethat.
So I think we all got a job todo.
When you know better, you giveback to somebody as best as you
can, or multiple people.
(08:11):
Whenever you come across people, just be a blessing as best as
you can Just, you know, just tryto be a blessing, whether
that's you know, verbally, tosome younger people, whether
that's as a resource, whetherthat's connected resources just
(08:32):
whatever, just find that placeto be.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
That for people, that's what I would say, you
know.
So when I went away to privateschool right, it was like this
crazy transition because oneweek I'm in Newark and all that
gunshots, needles in front ofthe house, just all that stuff.
And then we had a summer schoolso that it would help
(08:54):
transition from being in Newarkschool system to private school
through the White Foundation.
And I remember going away forthat summer to Lawrenceville and
I'd never seen a place likethis before.
I mean, it was like somethingyou know.
(09:14):
Now you can go online and seestuff, but before, like, you
couldn't really see anything butlike a brochure.
And then you're there and Iremember all this grass and all
these trees and people walkaround in these flip-flops and
it was just like a whole otherplanet and I couldn't believe it
(09:39):
was only I mean.
So I was in Newark, it was inLawrenceville, new Jersey, so I
don't know.
Less than two hours or whatever, like in less than two hours, I
was on a totally differentplanet.
And one day Rhonda Geese, whenthe school started and I was
already immersed, she would comedown and she took me, took us
out, the students to um theground round in New Jersey.
(10:03):
The ground I don't even know,the ground round is still there.
But we sit at the at therestaurant and I have this menu
and I I'm trying to look like Idon't know how this works, like
am I paying for this?
Like I don't, like I don't knowwhat's going on.
And she says something I'llnever forget get what you want,
(10:24):
it's on me.
I've never had someone in mylife ever say get what you want,
it's on me Before.
Man, I ate so much, jamel.
I ate so much because you know,when you're in school you're
starving, you're just starving.
But just that one moment of youmean I can get whatever I want.
(10:46):
That double cheeseburger, I canget that too.
And exposure really changeseverything, man, because you
know it's like, you think about,like when we've gone out to eat
, and you know, never, we've,never you've never heard me say
something like why are youwearing that?
Like that's too.
You know what I mean.
(11:06):
Like you get what you want.
Like for you, for your mom, forthe kids.
You just get what you want, butyour get what you want.
(11:27):
Now comes from a moment where awoman said to me get what you
want, and it was so powerful forme like I could still feel it
right now how how much thatmeant that I could literally get
what I wanted, and that's ametaphor for life that you can
get what you want.
Like life is this menu you canget what you want, but sometimes
(11:47):
you do need that person.
Who's that bridge builder?
Speaker 2 (11:54):
I blame you.
That's why, when I'm on dates,I tell the girls they get what
they want.
When we're at the restaurant,it's your fault.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
I didn't say all that .
I didn't say all that.
You need to go to places with alimited menu, limited selection
.
Get what you want.
On this starbucks menu, it iswhat?
What side of the menu do youwant here?
Use my app, use my app.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
I'll let you use my app.
I got some points.
I got some points.
Oh my god, that is funny,that's good exposure, though I
think maul, I got a little point.
Oh my God, that's funny.
That is funny, that's goodexposure, though I think Mars is
.
I might have to paraphrase itit's like expansion leads to
(12:39):
exposure.
Exposure leads to expansion.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
I think exposure leads to expansion.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
yeah, yeah, for sure.
For sure Remember when, forsure that's.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Remember when we were in Panama?
I mean, except for those littleflies that were biting the mess
out of you, right, thoseno-see-ums, yeah, yeah, yeah,
they were brutal, right?
Speaker 2 (13:03):
And I ain't never felt like that in my life.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Remember that one house that was a hotel, like it
was a part of the Westin and wehad that final party, but that
was the home of the owner of theWestin that we were at.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
I remember I had to go back to college.
I had to go back to school.
I was trying to figure out howto you, weren't there for that
last.
No, I was there.
Remember?
I left when they did thewelcoming party.
Right, that's right.
My teachers was going to filmit.
My teachers was going to hateon me and be like oh, this man
got the audacity to be in Panama.
I said, but I was in Panama for70 hours.
(13:40):
I was heated but I was like,but I got to graduate.
I was like it's not about to bethe reason I'm standing here
for extra semester, because youknow, you know that's real,
though, like you can't, like youknow, never outshine a master
right.
So if you is, if you're in anysituation and you just think the
optics of that, like, oh, youdon't know, your teacher may
(14:03):
can't, may not be able to go topanama or something like that,
she may be gray in papers andand I'm not saying it's the case
, that makes sense, but, sam,the optics can look like you
know, people can get jealous ofthings like that.
So I was like man, I got to getback.
I said I got to get back.
You know it's cool andeverything, but hey, this senior
(14:26):
year we at the finish line.
I'm already sweating bullets.
I need to go back right now.
Matter of fact, my flightshould have left 10 minutes ago.
I got to get back to campus.
I was there such a short time,people didn't even think I was
there.
I had to show them pictures.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
That's why I forgot how quickly you left.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
People didn't think I was there.
They thought I was lying.
I said no, I was really there,that's the reason.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Yeah, you were in and out, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
In and out.
I told you my farewell partywas the welcoming party for
everybody else that got there,that's right.
I was gone the next morning.
It was crazy, I didn't even getto do nothing.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
I forgot about that.
I forgot about that.
But like when you, even whenyou go, you know my buddy, my
buddy Nakoda.
Um, you know Nakoda and Monica,they're always, they have.
(15:26):
They have shown me the value oflike treating yourself well,
like really being good to you,you know, and exposure does
create expansion.
That's a powerful quote man thatreally is a powerful quote,
because when I sit and I thinkabout the things that I've
wanted to work towards, it'sbecause someone else gave me a
(15:53):
glimpse, like a small taste, ofwhat that would be like if that
and I'm like, wow, thislife-changing moment is just
your life.
This thing that's such a bigdeal to me is just how you live
every day, casually, and it'snot about wealth and it's not
about the money and all that.
It's just about that.
(16:15):
There's a better version ofthis.
You know what I mean.
Like there's a better versionof my health, there's a better
version of my body and you canhelp me get there.
There's a better version,there's a better version of my
body and you can help me getthere.
There's a better version.
There's a better car, there's abetter home, there's a better
relationships I can have, andmeeting the right people lets
(16:39):
you know that you can accessthat better verse, that better
life, that there's someone outthere that's already living that
better life, and some of themare willing to reach back and
say, look, here's how you do it.
That's what blows me.
That's why I work so hard toexpose the kids and stuff,
(17:00):
because I'm like I just wantthem to be exposed.
I want you to be exposed.
I just want us to be exposed.
The stuff that we talk about,like the law of attraction and
all that, that's all fromsomebody else's exposure.
Somebody else gifted us thatstuff.
Now it's up to us to be able togift it out.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
My bro DeJuan says.
He says and I try my best tohave as many great conversations
with great people as I can, soyou just learn and pick from
them.
Dejuan says that essentially,you make the best choice
paraphrasing of course you makethe best choice you can by the
(17:41):
options you know to be available.
That's right.
So the only reason you madethat choice is because those are
the only options you knew.
That's true.
But to tie it back in whenexposure leads to expansion, now
you know there's more options,you know there's other things to
do.
Now, for any case, I'll give anelementary example, if you will.
(18:04):
If we're playing, if I teachsomebody to play checkers or
chess, let's go with chess.
As you know, all of the piecesessentially can move different
ways.
But if I only teach you aboutthe pawn and that's the only
piece I teach you you're goingto just move that, because all
you're going to know to move.
But then if I teach you therook, then you're going to have
that.
(18:24):
So now you're going to have twopieces in your arsenal and then
if I teach you about how thequeen can move, you're going to
add that.
Then if I teach you about thebishop, so the more you become
educated or the more people pourinto your cup, your options
become, you know, infinite or towhatever degree, and you just
be able to keep growing.
You're able to now choosedifferent.
So one of the other things wetalk about is a lot of people.
(18:52):
He said something to me beforeso I was like man bro, you gotta
answer for everything.
You.
You like deep like that, likeyou know you get any concept.
But he used to just say stuffthat just used to like I'm like
oh, I never heard nobody explainsomething like that and you
just like, bro, you, you choosefrom another planet, or
something like where's the stuffcoming from?
And he said something he's likeno, I just have more
conversations than you and readmore than you, have had more
(19:14):
experiences than you.
So when I'm speaking to you,I'm taking all this information
and learned experiences from alarger database than you have at
the moment.
So it's the same concept there.
So that's the goal you just yougot to figure out.
That's why you always have tobe a student of life, student of
conversation, like I purposelytry to master conversation, I
(19:38):
purposely try to master myrelationship with people because
I know that I can grow, theycan grow and I can learn.
So you really become a student.
You know, I don't know.
You surrender to not knowingeverything essentially.
So once you surrender to that,you're like all right, what can
I learn?
Because I'm going to make adecision today and it's not
(19:59):
necessarily whether the decisionends technically right or wrong
.
Chances are I made the bestdecision based upon what I knew
to be true, based upon options Iknew.
So oftentimes I can, let's say,if I say something is the wrong
answer, I'm gonna want to knowI was the right answer.
(20:20):
And why is that the rightanswer?
So now you give me theprivilege of understanding or
adding another piece to myarsenal.
So now situation comes again.
I now have this that I canthink about.
Oh, I've seen this before.
And let's say, I get the nextanswer wrong.
Dang man, what I didn't knowthis time?
Oh, I didn't know about that.
(20:42):
Okay, you gave me anotheroption, thank you, and you just
keep building on those things.
So the further you get, thelonger you go.
Whatever it is, you have thislarger database resources you
can pull from.
So that's always the goal rightthere.
(21:12):
That's always the goal.
Keep trying to get options,keep trying to add tools to your
toolbox, because you'll neverknow what tools you need.
Every situation presents adifferent circumstance and every
situation doesn't require forthe same tools.
So you need a hammer, but allyou got is a screwdriver.
(21:32):
You're going to be in trouble.
You're going to learn thelesson for not having a hammer
and you have to keep doing thatand just keep adding to your
tools, because you never knowwhat you're going to need.
You never know what you'regoing to need.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
You know, both of us, everyone in the family, our
lives have been changed by whatwe're exposed to, the people
that we met, the things thatthey exposed us to, the things
that they said that had us thinkon a different level.
And, you know, when I sit and Ithink about it, I just realized
(22:21):
, man, how God, how really greatGod, has been to be able to've
had these teachers.
You know, and we, we still, westill getting more teachers that
have shown up and have pointedout something.
That's why, you know, I'mhaving, really I'm having this
moment of tremendous gratitudeto all the people that have
(22:45):
peeled back the curtain just alittle bit more to be like oh,
and did you know this what?
Oh, did you know this, what?
I could do that, or I could dothis what?
And you know whether it's thestuff we listen to on YouTube or
the stuff we're streaming, orwhatever it is, whether our
mentors are live, alive,recorded live in our cell phones
(23:11):
that we could call them.
I'm just truly grateful, man,that God has given us a gift of
exposure and just be like nowyou get to choose At least.
Now you get a choice, now thatI've lived, the number of years
that I've lived.
I truly pray to be a vessel ofexposure for people, to let
(23:32):
people know that you can, firstof all, let us know that there's
another level we can get to.
And yeah, because I don't thinkGod, I don't think God has
shown us what we God has shownus for us to keep it to
ourselves Like we have to.
We have to open that door forother people have to.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
No matter your gift, I'm a firm believer that your
gift is not really yours, it'sGod's, that he's given you to
bring to life for other people.
So if your gift is singing,never truly make it, don't make
(24:19):
it seem like it's yours.
It's really.
God gave you that to be able todo something with it for people
, to kind of give the glory andconnect with him.
It's a reason that he gave youthat.
That's it right there.
So you know it's important togive it away.
That's that's the purpose of it.
Like it's not.
And we live in a society that'svery capitalistic and things
(24:43):
that you know can be, you know,very competitive if you will, um
, but if you, if you do, if youreally do have a gift man, it's
it's important to give it away.
I People listening.
I'm not telling you don't makemoney.
I'm not saying that.
But I'm saying to be a servantyou know what I mean To serve
(25:04):
the people around you inproximity or just use it, give
it good.
You just said something aboutFrederick Douglass and you said
something not to get off topic,but you said something about.
Can you rewind to the pointwhere you said about the
greatness?
The quote that he said ongreatness.
(25:26):
It was like the greatness isinside of you, something like
that.
You were saying that you weretying into him like reading and
like kind of greatness, uh,being in like, like side, when
people don't want you to knowyour greatness.
I think that that's still verytrue to this day, because if you
(25:46):
know truly the favor you havefrom god and you know how great
you are and what you could do,it's like Jeff said lock my body
, can't trap my mind.
If people get this, you becomethe elephant with the string
(26:08):
attached to it.
The Lord Nell, if the elephantknew how powerful it was, how
great the elephant was, theelephant would laugh.
It would laugh.
Knew how powerful was, howgreat that one was.
Elephant of laughs.
That will put string rightthere to laugh.
But they trapped the elephants,they locked elephant's mind
right.
So that goes to the point ofknowing how great you are.
Where you gotta?
(26:28):
You gotta tap in often, dailyif you will, to just keep this
shop, especially in today wherewe in this fitness realm and
everybody want to keep thissharp, your abs sharp.
Work on this too.
Work on work on this too.
Work on this as much as you can, whether that's conversations
with people, um checking in onyour friends, checking in on
(26:51):
people reading, um open it up sothat people pour in your cup or
whatever, which you gotta gottakeep this up.
Yeah, to keep this up.
It's a little bit fair.
And yeah, cuz you want to writea chapter, somebody passes it
is you're done your greatness,you ain't man.
(27:15):
The last thing you want to do isquestion yourself.
You know what I mean.
The last thing you want to dois question yourself.
You question anybody you'regoing up against, but the moment
you question yourself, there'shesitation in, there's doubt.
There, you know, there's justnot a breeding ground for
success.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
There's not a breeding ground for success.
Exposure.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Exposure, exposure, that'd be exposure, man Exposure
, exposure, exposure exposure.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
If you actually took time to learn about how
incredible you were, nothingwould ever stop.
You See, the definition ofsight is the faculty or power of
seeing.
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