March 21, 2025 • 28 mins
When excellence becomes expected, does it lose its value? This question sits at the heart of our provocative exploration into the psychology behind sports recognition, fan perception, and the politics of achievement.
We begin by dissecting a curious text message declaring fatigue over the Kansas City Chiefs' success - opening a window into the mindset of fans who claim to be "tired" of seeing champions win. This leads us to a crucial distinction: those who have truly competed at high levels appreciate sustained excellence, while those who haven't often take greatness for granted. The conversation reveals how this same psychology extends far beyond sports into our everyday lives.
The discussion shifts to the fascinating politics of MVP voting, where we uncover a troubling pattern: once an athlete like Lamar Jackson establishes an extraordinary baseline, voters begin looking elsewhere despite improved statistics. We examine how legends like LeBron James and Kobe Bryant likely deserved more MVPs than they received simply because voters became accustomed to their brilliance and sought fresh narratives. Numbers don't lie - but the people interpreting them often have complex motivations.
Our quarterback analysis provides a thought-provoking case study through Jalen Hurts. While acknowledging his leadership and winning mentality, we thoughtfully explore how team situations dramatically impact perceptions of individual talent. This segment challenges listeners to consider the complex interplay between individual skill and organizational strength when evaluating athletic achievement.
Perhaps most powerfully, we draw parallels between sports recognition and broader life experiences, examining how opportunities like those afforded to Bronny James demonstrate both the advantages of connection and the complicated reality of merit-based advancement. This perspective offers valuable insights for anyone navigating systems where recognition doesn't always align with achievement.
What judgments have you made about champions based on entertainment value rather than appreciation for excellence? Listen in and reconsider how you evaluate greatness in sports and beyond.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You have someone who clearly deserves whatever it is,
and there's someone who's neverplayed anything at a high level
that will take away youraccolades just to I don't know,
make themselves feel better.
Hold on to their own narrative,man, that's a lesson for life.
I was just about to say, isn'tthat life?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
though.
We've all dealt with that inour own ways.
We've all dealt with that Justbecause you had an accolade,
just because a lot of thingsdon't necessarily mean it's
going to go your way.
And I mean no disrespect tothis young brother when I say
this.
But look no further than BronnyJames' situation Like.
Bronny wasn't the best playeron USC last year.
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There were other freshmen whohad better seasons than him who
didn't get drafted right.
It's cool.
His dad is who his dad is.
So Bronny goes to the league.
Bronny gets drafted like in the40s, I believe late in the
draft.
Usually you get drafted in the40s chances of you playing in
the NBA.
It's not that high.
Bronny played opening night.
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Bronny has played a few times.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
He's still playing now.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Where it's rare that you see someone in the NBA that
is, get to learn on the job andyou're not a top pick.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
So think about the people that are overseas right
now who don't get thatopportunity to play.
So it doesn't always work inyour favor that way.
It just doesn't.
And you can look at the flipside of the coin to that.
Here's the other side where,because LeBron was so great, it
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created an opportunity for hisson.
So, either way you look, sothere's one side that's like man
, I did what I was supposed todo and I'm not getting this
opportunity.
But the other side of it isLeBron did so much of what he
was supposed to do that itgranted an opportunity for his
son.
So that's powerful in that aswell.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Yeah, generational.
It's generational, All right.
So it actually took time tolearn about how incredible you
were.
Nothing would ever stop you.
I'm going to start this offwith I got this text message.
I'm going to read this to you.
I want to get your thoughtsabout this man.
I'm so happy the Chiefs lost,so sick and tired of seeing them
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win.
Go Birds.
Now, this is a Commander's fan.
That's me.
That was you.
But let me ask you a question.
What do you think it is about?
What do you think it is aboutpeople that has them think like
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that.
That line that stuck out withme I'm so tired of seeing the
Chiefs win.
What do you think that is aboutpeople?
What do you think about that?
Just tell me what you thinkabout that.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Well, ironically I've dealt with those questions a
lot just around the same topic,so I've had plenty of
discussions around that and oneof my friends said this and I
was like okay, never heard ofthat, but it made sense.
She was like I don't want myhomes to win anymore.
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I was like why she's like it'stime for somebody else to win.
I was like what?
I was like I don't want myhomes to win anymore.
I was like why she's like it'stime for somebody else to win.
I was like what?
I was like what do you mean?
It's time for someone else.
Like you don't let anyone win.
Like you have to dethrone thechamp, it isn't given.
Like I'm like do you not knowhow hard it is to get there?
Why would you even want thechamps to just say, here, that's
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not the thing, you want to bethrowing the champs.
So what she told me was I was.
She was like she was nevercompetitive.
Like that wasn't her thing.
She was like I'm just not.
I wasn't a competitive persongrowing up so she said that I
was like, okay, I understandthat.
For for like that specificperson, I was like, well, you
didn't grow up in, uh, it's winor lose, this is what we do Like
.
When I grew up, we lost, wecried.
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I remember my 75-pound yearplaying football.
The first team that scored onus.
We was crying on the field.
The coaches had to tell us it'sokay, like that happens.
Nobody scored on us.
That just wasn't a thing.
We weren't used to that.
So just a certain level ofcompetitiveness grows in the
people.
So I think that's one answer.
And then the other answer is Ithink sometimes and this is no
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one in particular I'm talkingabout here but I think that
sometimes people have neverstrived to get something to that
degree.
They've never been truly theman in the arena.
So because they haven't, theydon't understand the blood, the
sweat and the tears that ittakes to get there, or how hard
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it is to win a championship, letalone two, and go for a third.
They can't grasp that concept.
So it's easy to say, well, it'ssomebody else's, let somebody
else win, or I'm sick and tiredof them.
But if you're somebody thatever truly strive for something
to that degree, you more or lesslikely to want to see greatness
, like, hey, if the Eagles beatthem?
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I want to see that, becausethat means you have to dethrone
the champ.
But I don't want to see thechamp just give it away.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
I want to see the champ go down like a champ so so
yeah, so the reason I askedthis question is because I think
it kind of alludes to what I'mtalking about or what my thought
was.
Do you feel that I may be wrong, but I feel like only people
who've never competed would saysomething like that.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah, I think that's essentially what it is.
If you haven't competed, well,we have to put competition
though, because some people cancompete just like I mean.
Like at the highest level,there we go, there you go At the
highest level.
Some people haven't competed tothat level, so that's a
different mentality.
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So you have to almost reassesswho you're having that
conversation with and then haveit from that perspective.
Like, OK, I can't look at itfrom how I competed.
I have to put myself in yourshoes and say, okay, if you
haven't competed at that, Iunderstand your answer.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Then like, yeah, what , what I was, what I was looking
at and you know it's funnybecause you've heard that before
.
Like you remember, when thepatriots, when the patriots were
on their run doing their thing,I mean mean people just hated
on them because, oh, here theygo, patriots are going to win
again.
And I remember always thinking,well, until you beat them, you
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didn't beat them Right.
But it's interesting that fanswould say something like that
they want to see the best, butthey want to see the best only
so much Because it's notentertaining or something like
that.
Like it's not the actual battleof it that we're being looked at
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, it's the entertainment valuethat we're being looked at.
It's the entertainment valuelike oh, I've already seen this
movie not realizing these arethe best athletes for this sport
America's produce.
And to be able to do it one,two or three times, you're the
most.
And I know the Eagles won.
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I'm happy for them, it's great.
But it's real crazy how fastthings have turned, because you
remember a few years ago, peopleMahomes and the sidearm passes
and he's crazy.
He's on a whole other level Now.
It's like, ah, I don't want tosee him win again.
Isn't that wild.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yeah, I mean it.
Hasn't that happened in sports?
I mean that's when?
Hasn't that happened?
In sports, everyone loves I wasjust thinking about this the
other day, but it's more relatedto basketball, but in football
I guess it's the same too.
There's one award that, in myopinion, is never given to the
person it truly should be givento the vast majority of the time
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, and that's the MVP award.
The reason I say that isbecause typically, if you notice
, when someone's an MVP, theyusually make it their first year
because they either came out ofnowhere or they did something
that we haven't seen or thatthey haven't done before.
But once the world isaccustomed to whatever that new
floor is, it's never going to bethe same.
(08:23):
So LeBron probably could havemore MVPs, kobe could have had
more MVPs, but now it's almostlike it's this person's turn now
to get it right.
Okay, does that make any sense?
No, it doesn't.
But then here's where it getsinteresting.
Right, if you look at I thinkLamar has two MVPs.
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Right, if you look at his stats, from his first one to his
second one and to this year, theone that he didn't win this
year his stats this year was waybetter than the two.
He won the MVP, but once theygave it to you for the first
time, because that first MVP orsecond they could have gave that
one to somebody else who theyfelt was deserving.
They could have gave that one tosomebody else who they felt was
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deserving.
They could have given that oneto someone else who was killing
it that year, but chances arethe person that was killing it
that year probably already hadone, so they're like no, we're
going to give it to someonefresh.
So now Lamar is suffering fromthat now, where he's suffering
from his level of greatness,where he had a better year than
Josh Allen, but Josh Allendoesn't have one.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
So to then give it to Lamar is to put him in a whole
other category.
I was battling on that one,lamar Right, because numbers are
numbers.
Numbers are not interpretive.
Numbers are numbers.
So if I I score 17, let's say Iscore 17 touchdowns yeah and you
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score 12 touchdowns, as anexample, right, and I've already
won two mvps, but it's just youand I going head to head in the
.
You know, at a certain point itbecomes like a two person race.
Right, and I score more thanyou.
All my numbers are better thanyou.
(10:10):
How do you win it just because?
How do you win it just becauseit's like we've already given it
to him, so let's give it tosomebody else, because they're
used to you now.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
so your what, let's say, your floor is like
extremely high, like it'snothing LeBron can do, it's
nothing Lamar can do, it'snothing that Patrick Mahomes can
do.
That can really all you at thispoint, because it will.
It should all you.
But what are the numbers?
Yeah Well, see the numbers.
This is what I'm saying.
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If you, if someone, was toaverage 30 points a game, right,
and they just start, that'sphenomenal.
But if you average 30 for 10years, they don't value it the
same, no more, because now it'sno longer like oh my, I can't
believe it.
It's now, it's the expectation,even though it's still
phenomenal, that you did that.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Which brings me to another point.
Okay, because, like the people,the press that vote for the MVP
how many of them are formerathletes?
I wouldn't even be able to tellyou I'm going to say like none.
I'm going to say like noneMaybe.
I mean you have to be a writerfor the Associated Press, you
have to be in the writer's core,something like that.
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Let's just assume none of themare, and I, you know the people
that you see on the talk.
Let's assume none of them areprofessional athletes I'm not a
professional athlete, right yeahbut what you just said is so
important because what you'retelling me, which is probably
true, is, even though you'reclearly the better person, the
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better athlete or the bad, abetter season, because you've
already done amazing, so amazing, I need you to amaze me more,
which has nothing to do withnumbers.
See, man, this is what I'mtalking about.
Like, this is the stuff thatthis is the stuff that irritates
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the bejesus out of me, becauseif it's about merits and my
merits are, if your merits arebetter than my merits, you
should beat me Like you shouldbeat me.
That's why, you know, you see,a lot of people check out
mentally when they're insituations where it's subjective
Because to me, this shouldn'tbe very subjective.
It because, to me, thisshouldn't be very subjective, it
should be numbers versusnumbers, and they're going to
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say, well, you know, in thiscase, like, let's say, lamar
Lamar had more help with DerrickHenry, okay, but he said better
numbers.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Like I don't understand.
It's not straight numbers tonumbers.
It can't be that.
Why not?
Because numbers can be skewed.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
And I'm not saying this is Lamar's- case.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
But numbers can be skewed from situations.
So when I played basketball Ialways talked about, like when
they compare who was a betterplayer between this person and
that person.
I'm like what's the impact ofthe points that that person had?
So this person over here mighthave 24.
I used to always say this Okay,let's say that person has 24
and this person has 16.
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Doesn't necessarily mean theperson that had 24 had a better
game, because it's the impact ofwhen that person may have
scored 16, how that person mayhave scored 16.
Your 24 you had, you could havescored 24 points that, in
essence, somebody else couldhave gotten.
It wouldn't have really changedthe game.
But this person who scored 16,when they scored a big bucket,
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if he didn't score that, no oneelse was going to score it.
All of those little nuancesmatter in terms of that.
But you've got to have acertain eye and IQ for the sport
to look at it that way, notsaying that that's Lamar, but
just saying that numbers can beskewed like that.
So you can't just necessarilylook.
It's not apples to applestechnically, but Lamar, I think,
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definitely had the better yearthis go around, man, josh.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Allen 2,300, 2,379 passing yards, versus just over
2,000 for Josh Allen.
What was their records?
20 passing touchdowns for Lamar, 17 for Josh Allen, two
interceptions each.
505 rushing yards at least whenthis was taken, because I just
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looked this up last minute and211 for Josh Allen.
Two rushing touchdowns forLamar 205 rushing yards at least
when this was taken, because Ijust looked this up last minute
and 211 for Josh Allen.
Two rushing touchdowns forLamar, three rushing touchdowns
for Josh Allen, at least whenthis came out.
So I don't know if this isaccurate before the end of the
year, but what I'm saying is Imean, I get what you're saying,
I really do, and I knoweverything is not political but
sort of kind of political Like Iget that.
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It's politics.
It's politics in the grammys,there's politics in the
academies that you know.
Whenever I I remember I wassitting watching this program.
It's like you know, I rememberseeing this.
I can't remember what the moviewas, but it was a movie that
won for best something and I'mthinking what is who's who saw
this movie like?
Speaker 2 (14:55):
I like I never you.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
you never heard of this movie.
No one you know has heard ofthis movie.
But this movie beats movies youhave heard of.
That did better because it waslike all the subjective stuff is
really I mean, I get it but Idon't get it.
I get it but I don't appreciateit.
Because you know, in businesslike things are concrete and in
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my mind sports should beconcrete It'd be like Usain Bolt
winning the gold medal but theguy who came in number two wore
fancier shorts so he won somespecial award because Usain beat
him clearly but he didn't beathim fancy enough.
Do you know what I'm saying?
It just doesn't float for me.
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I get what you're saying, I'mjust saying it doesn't float for
me.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
I got to challenge what you just said, though Not
because I disagree, but you saidsomething that requires me to
challenge.
You said that in business,things are concrete, and then
your follow-up statement was inmy mind Soon as I heard that it
jogged me back to the firstthing we talked about, uh-huh,
when a girl said that she wasn'tcompetitive.
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So in your mind, based uponwhat you do and your wiring,
that is like black or white.
Yeah, sure, I get that.
So the people who may be doingthis, who are voting, it's gray
and orange.
Yeah, it's all types of colors,apparently.
Or it's just like hey, we'veseen this person at this level
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before, We've seen this, and I'mnot saying that that's right,
I'm just saying that's what Ienvision.
That is probably going on wherethey're just so used to or
accustomed to, where sometimes aplayer like Lamar can get
robbed in that case becauseliterally this was his best year
, hands down stat-wise.
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So to the average personlooking well, how doesn't he win
the MVP this year if he won itlast year and his stats was
better this year than last year?
And his stats was way betterthis year and last year than
they were his first year.
So are you saying that thosetwo years he shouldn't have won?
Like what are we saying here?
And that's where it gets.
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It gets dicey.
But once they see the levelthat you are now, it's only like
kind of up for me and that'swhere the color of the water
gets real murky.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
At that point, you know I was thinking about it.
So I'm really happy for JalenHurts and the reason I'm happy
for him is because you knowyou're not happy for him.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
I don't like fans in Philadelphia.
Oh, they troll me every day,well, okay.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
I mean all right.
I mean all right, I mean that'sa lot of.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
I-95.
I mean from Philadelphia.
He's an elite quarterback.
They try to compare him toMahomes and Burrow.
He's not those guys.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Okay, so he's not those guys.
He's not those guys.
Yeah, but he is a Super Bowlchamp.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
And a winner.
Yes, and an MVP.
Let's leave it at that.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Okay, but skill-wise, you're saying he's not at the
level of Burroughs.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yeah, he's not at their level of quarterback.
But I have to say this withthis statement in mind, because
Philadelphia fans they kind oftake this and go elsewhere.
I'm not saying Jalen Hurtsisn't a good quarterback.
He's definitely an NFL-caliberquarterback.
To me he's a top-sevenquarterback, right.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
He's good at what he does.
Okay.
What does he do?
That?
Okay, because if you're notputting him in the top five,
yeah.
All right.
So then, what is he not doingthat the top five does?
And when you say top five, likegive me your top five, you're
talking about like Burrow,mahomes, lamar, like who else is
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your top five?
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Lamar Allen and me.
This may be a little biased.
You know I'm going myquarterback.
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay,go ahead, James Daniels.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
James.
Yeah, but this is just fromwhat my aunt says.
What hurts?
He's a good quarterback, he'sin a great team and a system
that fits him.
So when I say top fivequarterbacks and I just did this
analogy with somebody in theoffice today who's an Eagles fan
I said, okay, outside of like aMahomes, maybe a Lamar, let's
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say like an Allen and Burrowmaybe.
For this example, if you wereto take Jaden Daniels off the
commanders and put the rest ofthe quarterbacks in the NFL on
that team, would that team havegot that far?
No, if you were to take JalenHurts off the Eagles, how many
people could you put on theEagles that could have took them
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still to the Super Bowl andpotentially won Because the rest
of the squad was so tight.
The rest of the squad, butthat's not a knock against him.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
It just means he's in a very favorable situation.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
That's all I'm saying to the Eagles fans.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
It's not a knock against him.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
But it becomes a knock when you guys talk about
it in a way that it's not Like,oh, he's top two now.
No, he's in a situation that'svery good for him.
Jalen Hurst I got to give himhis props.
He's a hell of a leader.
You can tell he's about hisbusiness.
He's a leader of men.
He knows how to win.
He's always won.
Those are great things of whohe is.
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You cannot take that from him.
But you're not about to sithere and say he's like elite
beyond these other guys.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Okay but like two years ago, right when he battled
out Mahomes, like everyonewould say he outplayed Mahomes
Played pretty good, yeah, okay.
So if you outplay Mahomes inthe Super Bowl, it's still a
game matchup.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
I don't think he outplayed Mahomes in that moment
, because when it got down tothe nitty-gritty, you also have
to remember this, james theEagles have the best offensive
line in football.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
I mean, that was clear, that was on display.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
He had a sandwich.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
He had time to have a sandwich and microwave some
popcorn.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
This is the thing If anyone studies Jaden Hurts, his
passing style he has to seeeverything first, so he has to
take his time.
What that means is, if he'sunder pressure or things get up,
he's not good, as no one isgood, because he doesn't operate
like that as a quarterback.
I can tell you who did all yearunder pressure JJ Angus did
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Like he had no line.
So what I'm saying is it's notto take anything away from Hurts
.
Not to take anything away fromHurts.
He's in a favorable position.
You don't take nothing awayfrom him for that.
You also don't add nothing tothat for that.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
So you're saying like , like they would call it empty
calories, like an empty calorieleader is like what he does not
anybody could do, but almostanybody could do.
Like where he is right now inyour mind.
Put Dak Prescott with theEagles I don't know if he's that
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level in your mind.
Put Dak Prescott with theEagles.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
I don't know if he's that level of a leader though
Dak Prescott, but I think theEagles still have a daggone good
team.
They just wouldn't run the ballas much because Dak is a better
thrower.
But the Eagles have a goodreceiving core though.
So my point is you sub Hurtsout.
It depends on who you sub himout for.
The offense has so many pieceswhere, if you sub him out for a
quarterback that can't throw asmuch, you still hand the ball
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off to Saquon.
If you sub him out for aquarterback who can throw the
ball a lot more, then you spreadthe ball to AJ Brown and
Devontae Smith.
So the style that the Eaglesplay now it works for Hurts.
Hurts going to throw the ballfor like 200,.
He going to run for about 75.
That's the makeup of how hemakes that team work.
But if you take him off and putother formidable quarterbacks
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I'm talking about like a secondstring even if you put a second
string quarterback I still thinkthat's going to work.
Joe Burrow or whatever.
Oh, if you put Joe Burrow, lord, if you put Mahomes, if you put
Lamar, you put Josh Allen, youput Jay Day, you put Justin
Herbert, you put MatthewStafford, you put.
The list could go.
There's a couple, probablyquarterbacks, I'm not thinking
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of right now, but if you putthem there Dak Prescott, maybe I
think they have a chance to dosomething.
That's just my, if you put Tuahe don't hit his head.
No offense, because you know hehit his head, Stuff happens.
But if you put Tua he couldstay healthy, he might could do
something, because he's agunslinger.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Oh my God, he is a gunslinger.
But yes, the head situation isa situation.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Yeah, so if he could stay healthy, if Tua could stay
healthy, then I think he couldflourish in that, because we saw
what he could do when hehealthy.
He don't have a running backlike that.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Well, he don't have a running mat like that.
Well, he do a little bit, butyou know, if he don't hit his
head, all right, that was thebest way I could say that.
All right, oh God, okay, allright, you know, because I'm
processing all this stuff, man,and that really, that this whole
thing started because I won'tquote right, because I think
about, I think about what itmust be like to be an athlete
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today and and I don't think it'sany, it's probably, it's
probably just more presentbecause we have social media, we
have all these different thingsto be able that they have to
see.
But I can understand why theseguys get so jaded to the masses
where they just lock stuff downbecause you're doing your best,
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you're playing.
Whatever you're playing, you'reclearly like.
I can think about years thatKobe should have won the MVP.
That didn't make any sense.
You know what I mean and you'resomeone who just analyzes what
you do all the time.
That's got to be the thing.
You're sitting there, you'reworking hard.
Someone who just analyzes whatyou're doing is saying you know
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what I don't like his attitude.
I'm not going to give him theMVP.
I'm not going to vote for himto get the MVP this year.
I mean because for a lot of thestuff they said that part of
Kobe's issue was his personality.
Some people didn't like hewasn't warm enough to the media,
which what does that have to dowith what he does on the court?
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So to or same thing with shaq.
He talked about it as well,like people just didn't.
You know there's issues and allthat and that's what blows me
away.
You have someone who clearlydeserves whatever it is and
there's someone who's neverplayed anything at a high level
that will take away youraccolades just to, I don't know.
Make themselves feel better.
(25:22):
Hold on to their own narrative.
Man, that's a lesson for life.
I was just about to say isn'tthat life, though.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
We've all dealt with that in our own ways.
We've all dealt with that Justbecause you had an accolade,
just because a lot of thingsdon't necessarily mean it's
going to go your way.
And I mean no disrespect tothis young brother when I say
this, but look no further thanBronny James' situation Like.
Bronny wasn't the best playeron USC last year.
(25:53):
There were other freshmen whohad better season than him who
didn't get drafted right.
It's cool.
His dad is who his dad is, soBronny goes to the league.
Bronny gets drafted like in the40s, I believe late in the
draft.
Usually you get drafted in the40s chances of you playing in
the NBA.
It's not that high.
Bronny played opening night.
(26:14):
Bronny has played a few times.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
He's still playing now.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
It's rare that you see someone in the NBA that gets
to learn on the job and you'renot a top pick.
So think about the people thatare overseas right now who don't
get that opportunity to play.
So it doesn't always work inyour favor that way.
It just doesn't.
(26:41):
And you can look at the flipside of the coin to that.
Here's the other side where,because LeBron was so great, it
created an opportunity for hisson.
So, either way you look, sothere's one side that's like man
.
I did what I was supposed to doand I'm not getting this
opportunity.
But the other side of it isLeBron did so much of what he
(27:04):
was supposed to do that itgranted an opportunity for his
son, so that's powerful in thatas well.
Yeah generational.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
It's generational, All right.
So let me ask you this questionyou got Shador, you got Cam Cam
?
Speaker 2 (27:17):
You see what's going on.
I see that's my nephew.
That's my nephew Cam Ward.
You know that.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
The family reunion is supposed to be something
special.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Yeah, cam Ward, that's my nephew.
Yeah, my nephew, cam.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
So in, that's my nephew.
Yeah, my nephew came.
So in no scenario would youever take Shadur over Cam.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Okay, listen here, James.
First of all, I'm a diehardMiami fan.
If you think you can't call mewhen the commanders is playing,
try calling me the day beforethat.
I might lose my mind becauseyou lose one game in college.
It's over, Okay.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
If you actually took time to learn about how
incredible you were, nothingwould ever stop.
You see, the definition ofsight is the faculty or power of
seeing.
You have someone who clearly deserves whatever it is,
and there's someone who's neverplayed anything at a high level
that will take away youraccolades just to I don't know,
make themselves feel better.
Hold on to their own narrative,man, that's a lesson for life.
I was just about to say, isn'tthat life?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
though.
We've all dealt with that inour own ways.
We've all dealt with that Justbecause you had an accolade,
just because a lot of thingsdon't necessarily mean it's
going to go your way.
And I mean no disrespect tothis young brother when I say
this.
But look no further than BronnyJames' situation Like.
Bronny wasn't the best playeron USC last year.
(00:46):
There were other freshmen whohad better seasons than him who
didn't get drafted right.
It's cool.
His dad is who his dad is.
So Bronny goes to the league.
Bronny gets drafted like in the40s, I believe late in the
draft.
Usually you get drafted in the40s chances of you playing in
the NBA.
It's not that high.
Bronny played opening night.
(01:06):
Bronny has played a few times.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
He's still playing now.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Where it's rare that you see someone in the NBA that
is, get to learn on the job andyou're not a top pick.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
So think about the people that are overseas right
now who don't get thatopportunity to play.
So it doesn't always work inyour favor that way.
It just doesn't.
And you can look at the flipside of the coin to that.
Here's the other side where,because LeBron was so great, it
(01:42):
created an opportunity for hisson.
So, either way you look, sothere's one side that's like man
, I did what I was supposed todo and I'm not getting this
opportunity.
But the other side of it isLeBron did so much of what he
was supposed to do that itgranted an opportunity for his
son.
So that's powerful in that aswell.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Yeah, generational.
It's generational, All right.
So it actually took time tolearn about how incredible you
were.
Nothing would ever stop you.
I'm going to start this offwith I got this text message.
I'm going to read this to you.
I want to get your thoughtsabout this man.
I'm so happy the Chiefs lost,so sick and tired of seeing them
(02:27):
win.
Go Birds.
Now, this is a Commander's fan.
That's me.
That was you.
But let me ask you a question.
What do you think it is about?
What do you think it is aboutpeople that has them think like
(02:48):
that.
That line that stuck out withme I'm so tired of seeing the
Chiefs win.
What do you think that is aboutpeople?
What do you think about that?
Just tell me what you thinkabout that.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Well, ironically I've dealt with those questions a
lot just around the same topic,so I've had plenty of
discussions around that and oneof my friends said this and I
was like okay, never heard ofthat, but it made sense.
She was like I don't want myhomes to win anymore.
(03:23):
I was like why she's like it'stime for somebody else to win.
I was like what?
I was like I don't want myhomes to win anymore.
I was like why she's like it'stime for somebody else to win.
I was like what?
I was like what do you mean?
It's time for someone else.
Like you don't let anyone win.
Like you have to dethrone thechamp, it isn't given.
Like I'm like do you not knowhow hard it is to get there?
Why would you even want thechamps to just say, here, that's
(03:47):
not the thing, you want to bethrowing the champs.
So what she told me was I was.
She was like she was nevercompetitive.
Like that wasn't her thing.
She was like I'm just not.
I wasn't a competitive persongrowing up so she said that I
was like, okay, I understandthat.
For for like that specificperson, I was like, well, you
didn't grow up in, uh, it's winor lose, this is what we do Like
.
When I grew up, we lost, wecried.
(04:07):
I remember my 75-pound yearplaying football.
The first team that scored onus.
We was crying on the field.
The coaches had to tell us it'sokay, like that happens.
Nobody scored on us.
That just wasn't a thing.
We weren't used to that.
So just a certain level ofcompetitiveness grows in the
people.
So I think that's one answer.
And then the other answer is Ithink sometimes and this is no
(04:29):
one in particular I'm talkingabout here but I think that
sometimes people have neverstrived to get something to that
degree.
They've never been truly theman in the arena.
So because they haven't, theydon't understand the blood, the
sweat and the tears that ittakes to get there, or how hard
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it is to win a championship, letalone two, and go for a third.
They can't grasp that concept.
So it's easy to say, well, it'ssomebody else's, let somebody
else win, or I'm sick and tiredof them.
But if you're somebody thatever truly strive for something
to that degree, you more or lesslikely to want to see greatness
, like, hey, if the Eagles beatthem?
(05:11):
I want to see that, becausethat means you have to dethrone
the champ.
But I don't want to see thechamp just give it away.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
I want to see the champ go down like a champ so so
yeah, so the reason I askedthis question is because I think
it kind of alludes to what I'mtalking about or what my thought
was.
Do you feel that I may be wrong, but I feel like only people
who've never competed would saysomething like that.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah, I think that's essentially what it is.
If you haven't competed, well,we have to put competition
though, because some people cancompete just like I mean.
Like at the highest level,there we go, there you go At the
highest level.
Some people haven't competed tothat level, so that's a
different mentality.
(05:56):
So you have to almost reassesswho you're having that
conversation with and then haveit from that perspective.
Like, OK, I can't look at itfrom how I competed.
I have to put myself in yourshoes and say, okay, if you
haven't competed at that, Iunderstand your answer.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Then like, yeah, what , what I was, what I was looking
at and you know it's funnybecause you've heard that before
.
Like you remember, when thepatriots, when the patriots were
on their run doing their thing,I mean mean people just hated
on them because, oh, here theygo, patriots are going to win
again.
And I remember always thinking,well, until you beat them, you
(06:38):
didn't beat them Right.
But it's interesting that fanswould say something like that
they want to see the best, butthey want to see the best only
so much Because it's notentertaining or something like
that.
Like it's not the actual battleof it that we're being looked at
(07:00):
, it's the entertainment valuethat we're being looked at.
It's the entertainment valuelike oh, I've already seen this
movie not realizing these arethe best athletes for this sport
America's produce.
And to be able to do it one,two or three times, you're the
most.
And I know the Eagles won.
(07:21):
I'm happy for them, it's great.
But it's real crazy how fastthings have turned, because you
remember a few years ago, peopleMahomes and the sidearm passes
and he's crazy.
He's on a whole other level Now.
It's like, ah, I don't want tosee him win again.
Isn't that wild.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yeah, I mean it.
Hasn't that happened in sports?
I mean that's when?
Hasn't that happened?
In sports, everyone loves I wasjust thinking about this the
other day, but it's more relatedto basketball, but in football
I guess it's the same too.
There's one award that, in myopinion, is never given to the
person it truly should be givento the vast majority of the time
(08:03):
, and that's the MVP award.
The reason I say that isbecause typically, if you notice
, when someone's an MVP, theyusually make it their first year
because they either came out ofnowhere or they did something
that we haven't seen or thatthey haven't done before.
But once the world isaccustomed to whatever that new
floor is, it's never going to bethe same.
(08:23):
So LeBron probably could havemore MVPs, kobe could have had
more MVPs, but now it's almostlike it's this person's turn now
to get it right.
Okay, does that make any sense?
No, it doesn't.
But then here's where it getsinteresting.
Right, if you look at I thinkLamar has two MVPs.
(08:45):
Right, if you look at his stats, from his first one to his
second one and to this year, theone that he didn't win this
year his stats this year was waybetter than the two.
He won the MVP, but once theygave it to you for the first
time, because that first MVP orsecond they could have gave that
one to somebody else who theyfelt was deserving.
They could have gave that one tosomebody else who they felt was
(09:05):
deserving.
They could have given that oneto someone else who was killing
it that year, but chances arethe person that was killing it
that year probably already hadone, so they're like no, we're
going to give it to someonefresh.
So now Lamar is suffering fromthat now, where he's suffering
from his level of greatness,where he had a better year than
Josh Allen, but Josh Allendoesn't have one.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
So to then give it to Lamar is to put him in a whole
other category.
I was battling on that one,lamar Right, because numbers are
numbers.
Numbers are not interpretive.
Numbers are numbers.
So if I I score 17, let's say Iscore 17 touchdowns yeah and you
(09:50):
score 12 touchdowns, as anexample, right, and I've already
won two mvps, but it's just youand I going head to head in the
.
You know, at a certain point itbecomes like a two person race.
Right, and I score more thanyou.
All my numbers are better thanyou.
(10:10):
How do you win it just because?
How do you win it just becauseit's like we've already given it
to him, so let's give it tosomebody else, because they're
used to you now.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
so your what, let's say, your floor is like
extremely high, like it'snothing LeBron can do, it's
nothing Lamar can do, it'snothing that Patrick Mahomes can
do.
That can really all you at thispoint, because it will.
It should all you.
But what are the numbers?
Yeah Well, see the numbers.
This is what I'm saying.
(10:43):
If you, if someone, was toaverage 30 points a game, right,
and they just start, that'sphenomenal.
But if you average 30 for 10years, they don't value it the
same, no more, because now it'sno longer like oh my, I can't
believe it.
It's now, it's the expectation,even though it's still
phenomenal, that you did that.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Which brings me to another point.
Okay, because, like the people,the press that vote for the MVP
how many of them are formerathletes?
I wouldn't even be able to tellyou I'm going to say like none.
I'm going to say like noneMaybe.
I mean you have to be a writerfor the Associated Press, you
have to be in the writer's core,something like that.
(11:23):
Let's just assume none of themare, and I, you know the people
that you see on the talk.
Let's assume none of them areprofessional athletes I'm not a
professional athlete, right yeahbut what you just said is so
important because what you'retelling me, which is probably
true, is, even though you'reclearly the better person, the
(11:44):
better athlete or the bad, abetter season, because you've
already done amazing, so amazing, I need you to amaze me more,
which has nothing to do withnumbers.
See, man, this is what I'mtalking about.
Like, this is the stuff thatthis is the stuff that irritates
(12:05):
the bejesus out of me, becauseif it's about merits and my
merits are, if your merits arebetter than my merits, you
should beat me Like you shouldbeat me.
That's why, you know, you see,a lot of people check out
mentally when they're insituations where it's subjective
Because to me, this shouldn'tbe very subjective.
It because, to me, thisshouldn't be very subjective, it
should be numbers versusnumbers, and they're going to
(12:25):
say, well, you know, in thiscase, like, let's say, lamar
Lamar had more help with DerrickHenry, okay, but he said better
numbers.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Like I don't understand.
It's not straight numbers tonumbers.
It can't be that.
Why not?
Because numbers can be skewed.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
And I'm not saying this is Lamar's- case.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
But numbers can be skewed from situations.
So when I played basketball Ialways talked about, like when
they compare who was a betterplayer between this person and
that person.
I'm like what's the impact ofthe points that that person had?
So this person over here mighthave 24.
I used to always say this Okay,let's say that person has 24
and this person has 16.
(13:05):
Doesn't necessarily mean theperson that had 24 had a better
game, because it's the impact ofwhen that person may have
scored 16, how that person mayhave scored 16.
Your 24 you had, you could havescored 24 points that, in
essence, somebody else couldhave gotten.
It wouldn't have really changedthe game.
But this person who scored 16,when they scored a big bucket,
(13:28):
if he didn't score that, no oneelse was going to score it.
All of those little nuancesmatter in terms of that.
But you've got to have acertain eye and IQ for the sport
to look at it that way, notsaying that that's Lamar, but
just saying that numbers can beskewed like that.
So you can't just necessarilylook.
It's not apples to applestechnically, but Lamar, I think,
(13:49):
definitely had the better yearthis go around, man, josh.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Allen 2,300, 2,379 passing yards, versus just over
2,000 for Josh Allen.
What was their records?
20 passing touchdowns for Lamar, 17 for Josh Allen, two
interceptions each.
505 rushing yards at least whenthis was taken, because I just
(14:17):
looked this up last minute and211 for Josh Allen.
Two rushing touchdowns forLamar 205 rushing yards at least
when this was taken, because Ijust looked this up last minute
and 211 for Josh Allen.
Two rushing touchdowns forLamar, three rushing touchdowns
for Josh Allen, at least whenthis came out.
So I don't know if this isaccurate before the end of the
year, but what I'm saying is Imean, I get what you're saying,
I really do, and I knoweverything is not political but
sort of kind of political Like Iget that.
(14:37):
It's politics.
It's politics in the grammys,there's politics in the
academies that you know.
Whenever I I remember I wassitting watching this program.
It's like you know, I rememberseeing this.
I can't remember what the moviewas, but it was a movie that
won for best something and I'mthinking what is who's who saw
this movie like?
Speaker 2 (14:55):
I like I never you.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
you never heard of this movie.
No one you know has heard ofthis movie.
But this movie beats movies youhave heard of.
That did better because it waslike all the subjective stuff is
really I mean, I get it but Idon't get it.
I get it but I don't appreciateit.
Because you know, in businesslike things are concrete and in
(15:20):
my mind sports should beconcrete It'd be like Usain Bolt
winning the gold medal but theguy who came in number two wore
fancier shorts so he won somespecial award because Usain beat
him clearly but he didn't beathim fancy enough.
Do you know what I'm saying?
It just doesn't float for me.
(15:40):
I get what you're saying, I'mjust saying it doesn't float for
me.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
I got to challenge what you just said, though Not
because I disagree, but you saidsomething that requires me to
challenge.
You said that in business,things are concrete, and then
your follow-up statement was inmy mind Soon as I heard that it
jogged me back to the firstthing we talked about, uh-huh,
when a girl said that she wasn'tcompetitive.
(16:06):
So in your mind, based uponwhat you do and your wiring,
that is like black or white.
Yeah, sure, I get that.
So the people who may be doingthis, who are voting, it's gray
and orange.
Yeah, it's all types of colors,apparently.
Or it's just like hey, we'veseen this person at this level
(16:28):
before, We've seen this, and I'mnot saying that that's right,
I'm just saying that's what Ienvision.
That is probably going on wherethey're just so used to or
accustomed to, where sometimes aplayer like Lamar can get
robbed in that case becauseliterally this was his best year
, hands down stat-wise.
(16:50):
So to the average personlooking well, how doesn't he win
the MVP this year if he won itlast year and his stats was
better this year than last year?
And his stats was way betterthis year and last year than
they were his first year.
So are you saying that thosetwo years he shouldn't have won?
Like what are we saying here?
And that's where it gets.
(17:10):
It gets dicey.
But once they see the levelthat you are now, it's only like
kind of up for me and that'swhere the color of the water
gets real murky.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
At that point, you know I was thinking about it.
So I'm really happy for JalenHurts and the reason I'm happy
for him is because you knowyou're not happy for him.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
I don't like fans in Philadelphia.
Oh, they troll me every day,well, okay.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
I mean all right.
I mean all right, I mean that'sa lot of.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
I-95.
I mean from Philadelphia.
He's an elite quarterback.
They try to compare him toMahomes and Burrow.
He's not those guys.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Okay, so he's not those guys.
He's not those guys.
Yeah, but he is a Super Bowlchamp.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
And a winner.
Yes, and an MVP.
Let's leave it at that.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Okay, but skill-wise, you're saying he's not at the
level of Burroughs.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yeah, he's not at their level of quarterback.
But I have to say this withthis statement in mind, because
Philadelphia fans they kind oftake this and go elsewhere.
I'm not saying Jalen Hurtsisn't a good quarterback.
He's definitely an NFL-caliberquarterback.
To me he's a top-sevenquarterback, right.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
He's good at what he does.
Okay.
What does he do?
That?
Okay, because if you're notputting him in the top five,
yeah.
All right.
So then, what is he not doingthat the top five does?
And when you say top five, likegive me your top five, you're
talking about like Burrow,mahomes, lamar, like who else is
(18:44):
your top five?
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Lamar Allen and me.
This may be a little biased.
You know I'm going myquarterback.
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay,go ahead, James Daniels.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
James.
Yeah, but this is just fromwhat my aunt says.
What hurts?
He's a good quarterback, he'sin a great team and a system
that fits him.
So when I say top fivequarterbacks and I just did this
analogy with somebody in theoffice today who's an Eagles fan
I said, okay, outside of like aMahomes, maybe a Lamar, let's
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say like an Allen and Burrowmaybe.
For this example, if you wereto take Jaden Daniels off the
commanders and put the rest ofthe quarterbacks in the NFL on
that team, would that team havegot that far?
No, if you were to take JalenHurts off the Eagles, how many
people could you put on theEagles that could have took them
(19:37):
still to the Super Bowl andpotentially won Because the rest
of the squad was so tight.
The rest of the squad, butthat's not a knock against him.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
It just means he's in a very favorable situation.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
That's all I'm saying to the Eagles fans.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
It's not a knock against him.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
But it becomes a knock when you guys talk about
it in a way that it's not Like,oh, he's top two now.
No, he's in a situation that'svery good for him.
Jalen Hurst I got to give himhis props.
He's a hell of a leader.
You can tell he's about hisbusiness.
He's a leader of men.
He knows how to win.
He's always won.
Those are great things of whohe is.
(20:11):
You cannot take that from him.
But you're not about to sithere and say he's like elite
beyond these other guys.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Okay but like two years ago, right when he battled
out Mahomes, like everyonewould say he outplayed Mahomes
Played pretty good, yeah, okay.
So if you outplay Mahomes inthe Super Bowl, it's still a
game matchup.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
I don't think he outplayed Mahomes in that moment
, because when it got down tothe nitty-gritty, you also have
to remember this, james theEagles have the best offensive
line in football.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
I mean, that was clear, that was on display.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
He had a sandwich.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
He had time to have a sandwich and microwave some
popcorn.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
This is the thing If anyone studies Jaden Hurts, his
passing style he has to seeeverything first, so he has to
take his time.
What that means is, if he'sunder pressure or things get up,
he's not good, as no one isgood, because he doesn't operate
like that as a quarterback.
I can tell you who did all yearunder pressure JJ Angus did
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Like he had no line.
So what I'm saying is it's notto take anything away from Hurts
.
Not to take anything away fromHurts.
He's in a favorable position.
You don't take nothing awayfrom him for that.
You also don't add nothing tothat for that.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
So you're saying like , like they would call it empty
calories, like an empty calorieleader is like what he does not
anybody could do, but almostanybody could do.
Like where he is right now inyour mind.
Put Dak Prescott with theEagles I don't know if he's that
(21:55):
level in your mind.
Put Dak Prescott with theEagles.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
I don't know if he's that level of a leader though
Dak Prescott, but I think theEagles still have a daggone good
team.
They just wouldn't run the ballas much because Dak is a better
thrower.
But the Eagles have a goodreceiving core though.
So my point is you sub Hurtsout.
It depends on who you sub himout for.
The offense has so many pieceswhere, if you sub him out for a
quarterback that can't throw asmuch, you still hand the ball
(22:17):
off to Saquon.
If you sub him out for aquarterback who can throw the
ball a lot more, then you spreadthe ball to AJ Brown and
Devontae Smith.
So the style that the Eaglesplay now it works for Hurts.
Hurts going to throw the ballfor like 200,.
He going to run for about 75.
That's the makeup of how hemakes that team work.
But if you take him off and putother formidable quarterbacks
(22:39):
I'm talking about like a secondstring even if you put a second
string quarterback I still thinkthat's going to work.
Joe Burrow or whatever.
Oh, if you put Joe Burrow, lord, if you put Mahomes, if you put
Lamar, you put Josh Allen, youput Jay Day, you put Justin
Herbert, you put MatthewStafford, you put.
The list could go.
There's a couple, probablyquarterbacks, I'm not thinking
(23:00):
of right now, but if you putthem there Dak Prescott, maybe I
think they have a chance to dosomething.
That's just my, if you put Tuahe don't hit his head.
No offense, because you know hehit his head, Stuff happens.
But if you put Tua he couldstay healthy, he might could do
something, because he's agunslinger.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Oh my God, he is a gunslinger.
But yes, the head situation isa situation.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Yeah, so if he could stay healthy, if Tua could stay
healthy, then I think he couldflourish in that, because we saw
what he could do when hehealthy.
He don't have a running backlike that.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Well, he don't have a running mat like that.
Well, he do a little bit, butyou know, if he don't hit his
head, all right, that was thebest way I could say that.
All right, oh God, okay, allright, you know, because I'm
processing all this stuff, man,and that really, that this whole
thing started because I won'tquote right, because I think
about, I think about what itmust be like to be an athlete
(23:54):
today and and I don't think it'sany, it's probably, it's
probably just more presentbecause we have social media, we
have all these different thingsto be able that they have to
see.
But I can understand why theseguys get so jaded to the masses
where they just lock stuff downbecause you're doing your best,
(24:17):
you're playing.
Whatever you're playing, you'reclearly like.
I can think about years thatKobe should have won the MVP.
That didn't make any sense.
You know what I mean and you'resomeone who just analyzes what
you do all the time.
That's got to be the thing.
You're sitting there, you'reworking hard.
Someone who just analyzes whatyou're doing is saying you know
(24:40):
what I don't like his attitude.
I'm not going to give him theMVP.
I'm not going to vote for himto get the MVP this year.
I mean because for a lot of thestuff they said that part of
Kobe's issue was his personality.
Some people didn't like hewasn't warm enough to the media,
which what does that have to dowith what he does on the court?
(25:01):
So to or same thing with shaq.
He talked about it as well,like people just didn't.
You know there's issues and allthat and that's what blows me
away.
You have someone who clearlydeserves whatever it is and
there's someone who's neverplayed anything at a high level
that will take away youraccolades just to, I don't know.
Make themselves feel better.
(25:22):
Hold on to their own narrative.
Man, that's a lesson for life.
I was just about to say isn'tthat life, though.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
We've all dealt with that in our own ways.
We've all dealt with that Justbecause you had an accolade,
just because a lot of thingsdon't necessarily mean it's
going to go your way.
And I mean no disrespect tothis young brother when I say
this, but look no further thanBronny James' situation Like.
Bronny wasn't the best playeron USC last year.
(25:53):
There were other freshmen whohad better season than him who
didn't get drafted right.
It's cool.
His dad is who his dad is, soBronny goes to the league.
Bronny gets drafted like in the40s, I believe late in the
draft.
Usually you get drafted in the40s chances of you playing in
the NBA.
It's not that high.
Bronny played opening night.
(26:14):
Bronny has played a few times.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
He's still playing now.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
It's rare that you see someone in the NBA that gets
to learn on the job and you'renot a top pick.
So think about the people thatare overseas right now who don't
get that opportunity to play.
So it doesn't always work inyour favor that way.
It just doesn't.
(26:41):
And you can look at the flipside of the coin to that.
Here's the other side where,because LeBron was so great, it
created an opportunity for hisson.
So, either way you look, sothere's one side that's like man
.
I did what I was supposed to doand I'm not getting this
opportunity.
But the other side of it isLeBron did so much of what he
(27:04):
was supposed to do that itgranted an opportunity for his
son, so that's powerful in thatas well.
Yeah generational.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
It's generational, All right.
So let me ask you this questionyou got Shador, you got Cam Cam
?
Speaker 2 (27:17):
You see what's going on.
I see that's my nephew.
That's my nephew Cam Ward.
You know that.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
The family reunion is supposed to be something
special.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Yeah, cam Ward, that's my nephew.
Yeah, my nephew, cam.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
So in, that's my nephew.
Yeah, my nephew came.
So in no scenario would youever take Shadur over Cam.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Okay, listen here, James.
First of all, I'm a diehardMiami fan.
If you think you can't call mewhen the commanders is playing,
try calling me the day beforethat.
I might lose my mind becauseyou lose one game in college.
It's over, Okay.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
If you actually took time to learn about how
incredible you were, nothingwould ever stop.
You see, the definition ofsight is the faculty or power of
seeing.
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