A Tale of Two Carolinas

On this episode of America Stories, Jeff, Luke, and Jack discuss the questionable tactics of the British armies during the revolutionary War as they fight at Moore's Creek and Fort Sullivan. We discuss the battles, the decisions, and the natural defenses of these locations. Defenses such as hastily created earthen fortifications and swamp cabbage trees.
Battles filled with artillery cannons and Broadswords, the American Revolution was fiercely fought in North and South Carolina.

Episode Transcript

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America stories. This is America Stories. I I'm Jeff Townsend, Jactastic and

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Luke are joining me for yet anotherjourney, another another story. Some would
say, yeah, we're moving alonghistories. Greatest moments here America or Luke
calls it America. He doesn't havean A in there when he says it
for some reason. Yeah, greatestmoments. I don't know. Actually,
greatest moments might not be the casebecause sometimes they're not so great, but

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just historical significant moments. They goacross history here. Yeah. So we
have quite a few episodes, soI think everybody should go back and check
those and if and if you're notcaught up yet, you know it,
don't be afraid to hit the Positibutton and go back and get caught up,
is all I can say. Especiallythe last one, last one of
my personal favorites so far, theone of the other soldiers will covered on

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the slopes in detail. Yeah,the most downloaded one seems to be old
George Washington. He seems to beuh, he's set the bar so far.
He is the star of the therevers they're any surprised of that,
really though that George Washington's the mostdownloaded one, not at all. No,
I mean I hate Jack even calledhim the Alan Jackson of the revolution

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of War, which is yeah,I had actually a singer of simple song.
It's not real political man, butyeah he is now though, Well
damn it, guys, we aremoving along here. The last episode we
did a little bit of a deepdev like you just said, talking about
the day and the life of thesoldiers dry in the Revolutionary War, and
are we kind of squeezing back intothe timeline here or what do you have

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planned for today? So a coupleepisodes back during the fall of Boston,
when the end of the siege withGeorge Washington there, I did mention that
the British were sending troops to theCarolinas. This is what happened when they
did that. What they had plannedin both North and South Carolina doesn't quite

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work out for them. So it'swhen they're kind of fleeing the kind of
the siege of Boston. They're fleeingfrom Boston heading down south. Yeah.
Yeah, a lot of them jumpedship and went down there. The start
of it should probably be talking aboutwhat happened in North Carolina. This was

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in February seventeen seventy six, whichI believe was just before the fall of
Boston. Boston still under siege atthis point, but Clinton and his men
had left already and they were headingsouth to North Carolina, and then they
end up in South Carolina. Butoriginally their planet was to go to North
Carolina, and their hope was thatthey could get a foothold there. Bad

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weather it made them have to holdup a few spots on the way down,
and so they missed their timeline.But at the time, they were
planning to be there a little bitearly, and there was a Loyalist army
in South Carolina on the border thatwas going to attack into North Carolina who
helped establish this foothold, and sothey were under the impression the British Army

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was going to be there to helpthem, and so they started marching on
North Carolina. At the time,the North Carolina Militia was ran by a
general named James Moore. He's actuallyonly one of five generals from North Carolina
during the entire war. I don'tknow how many generals were there during the
war. I don't know how significantthat number is A lot. Usually there

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would be like, you know,a couple dozen or more from one of
the colonies because you had, likeyou know, you had your upper deer
generals, then you had your brigadiergeneral, stuff like that. He was
one of five. So he wasgiven command of the Continental Army that was
raised in February fifteenth, and hewas tasked with protecting North Carolina from any

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attacks. The loyalists in South Carolinawere led by a general name Donald McDonald,
which I thought really misread that atfirst, but no, that's really
his name, Donald McDonald. Yeah, we got we got another character here
on the scene. Donald McDonald wasa Scottish highlander that lived in South Carolina,

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and everybody underneath him were also ScottishHighlanders. There was about eleven hundred
men in his group. He couldmake that name up if you tried.
No, I love that name.Actually, It's like, could you be
more Scottish than Donald McDonald? Donald? I didn't Donald Scottish? Now I
do. I'm not surprised about themcpart, the donald part on top of

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the McDonald part. It is extraspicy. Yeah, this McDonald, I'm
not intending to laugh every time Isay it, but every time I say
it, I'm thinking of McDonald's,you know, So I think we all
were. I think we all were. You should have a sandwich there.
I'm just gonna go ahead and throwthat out there. It should should be

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like a specialty item. I don'tknow. They should rename the mcgrib Yeah,
you know, yeah, donald McDonald'ssandwich. That McDonald's issued a warning
to James Moore in North Carolina town. You should surrender because you know the
British are going to be joined inUS and we're going to roll over you
more. Did some calculations. Hefigured that he had time, so he

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delayed sending his response back, andat the same time, he sent men
to go fortify along the creeks uhand the bridges where he figured they would
be most likely to attack from.And then he simply said no. After
he had gotten his men on themarch. By the time it got to
McDonald he he wasn't sure that theywere fortifying, but he knew he needed

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to get across the bridges quickly beforethe North Carolina military could get there.
Today is actually known as Moore CreekBridge. I don't know what it was
known at at the time, butit's named Donalds James Moore. Now,
yeah, it's McDonald's McDonald's bridge.So anyway, McDonald did order a double

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time march to make it to thatthat bridge. He wanted to make it
there. He said that again.We say that again. McDonald ordered a
double time march to to make itthere as fast as possible. Uh.
The downside to this MacDonald could notrest himself. He was an older man,

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so he actually fell gravely ill duringthis march and he had to relinquish
his command to his lieutenant, ColonelMcLeod. They made it to the bridge
and they noticed that it looked likethere was a fortification built on the end

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of the other side of the bridge, and in fact Moore's men did make
it there ahead of time. Theybuilt an earth fort at the end and
then they kind of stepped back intothe woods, so they looked like it
was completely abandoned. You said,this is an earth earth fort So what
is that exactly? They made itout of. They dig up the earth

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and they make up a rampart outof earth. Okay, yeah, so
they had the earth and works fortressthat they had built up inside of it.
They also put to cannons facing downtowards the bridge, so it was
a pretty fortified location, but theymade it look like no one was there.
So when the Scottish soldiers got there, what they decided to do was

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to start sneaking up see if theycan see anyone, and a secret Continental
Army sentry could see them and hefired his gun in air to let everyone
else know that the Highlanders had gotthere. So they entered into a firefight

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across the river at first, andthey're thinking, well, maybe we could
try to take them out, butwhen that wasn't working, Lieutenant MacLeod declared
that they should charge across the bridgebefore the soldiers get to that earthworks and
defend it. This was a thingthat the Highlanders were known for was their
Highland charge, where they would chargewith their broadswords and you know, scream

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and try to get everyone brave heartstyle. Yeah, exactly, the brave
part style. This was the lasttime in recorded history that there was ever
a Highland charge because it did notplay out as well as they like.
As they charged, they were screamingin Gaelic. They said for King George
and broad swords, and once theygot within thirty paces of the earthworks,

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all of the people that Moore hadsent down there unloaded on them. They
fired the cannons with a grape shot. They fired. So they're just running
at them. They're just charging themwith swords and they're just shooting. Is
that you're telling me right now?Yeah, they charged them with swords and

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they shot. There was roughly eighthundred guys there when they were firing.
There were about one hundred or soHighlanders on the bridge. Fifty of them
died immediately, and then immediately everyoneelse just gave up as surrendered. I'm
not laughing because it's funny. I'mlaughing because the strategy seems to be ridiculous.

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It was. I guess that's whythey haven't done the Brave Heart charge
anymore. They were very proud.They thought that it could break the line,
thought it would be a little moreintimidating than what it was. Yeah,
they could not make it, andso a total of eight hundred and
fifty people end up surrendering afterwards,and after that moment, North Carolina was

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not attacked again for the next threeyears during the war. I will say
it's kind of like another moment ofyou know, just like a completely different
style of war taking place. Itwas like it was just a series of
these types of clashes of like oldways of doing battle, and then either
way the colony armies were going todo battle, and it was just it

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just did not work out like themodern you know, it it's not exactly
the birth of modern warfare necessarily,but it's like it's a huge shift on
the way fighting is done. Andyou know the fact that we have a
an army or you know, aforce charging with swords in the Revolutionary War,

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it's just kind of just wild tothink of all the different military strategies
that were just not just not upto date. They did fight, So
why were they siding with the British. They were part of the British Empire,
you know that it was a veryit was a loyalist squadron of people
who still saw themselves as British subjects. They had they were in the colonies,

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but they were still believed they're Scottish. They still served the crown.
So like this was a very mucha thing that they were doing at the
time, is they would find peoplewho were loyal to the Crown and then
they would make basically local militias themselvesto help fight. These guys were very
proud British inisons, uh, andthey were prepared to fight. Unfortunately,

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their method of attack was wild outof date, like Jack had said,
and it just did not the waythey wanted. And without the British support
that was still delayed getting down there, there was no hope I'm breaking into
North Carolina. It was a prettyinteresting thing though that for years and years,

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you know, the Highland charge wasa very deadly thing, could break
any line. And then times changed, and now the last one is one
of the most hilariously bad military blunders. He charged the people with guns and
to can and cannons. Yeah,geez. One single Patriot soldier was killed

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during this fight what during the initialfirefight across the river. His name was
John Brown. No, I couldn'tfind his name. I did look to
see if it was something interesting likethat, but I couldn't thought John Brown
to make then yeah, there wasSo is there more to McDonald's story.
There was just in here. Uh. No. He died not terribly long
afterwards because he was fairly old.But there is a little bit more.

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Well, tragicness in uh more JamesMoore of the North Carolina like, how
you did that? More tragedy moreso, he was thirty nine years old
at the time when he became ageneral and at this the point, and
he died the very next year fromsickness. And he didn't get a chance

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to lead another fight because this wasthe last time in North Carolina was attacked.
But he was believed to be probablytheir best general because he came up
with these you know, the tacticof getting down there, delaying the British
response when and everything like that.So there, yeah, there. No
one knows how well he would havedone later, but it would have been

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interesting to find out. But unfortunately, yeah, he did die. I
can tell you real emotional about it. I've got like this real bad,
like allergic reaction to something I don'tknow. It's been causing me to have
coffin all the time. Yeah,so I would say too, there's no
emotional about this mortgage. A littletear in the That was the deal with

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North Carolina at the time. Andnow, okay, as I mentioned,
South Carolina also had Simon almost simultaneously. It was just a couple months later
they had their own battle. Thatwent poorly for the British General Henry Clinton.
Finally he made it to North Carolinain May, realized that there was
gonna be no chance for him tolaunch an attack because he lost his loyalist

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army and it was no momentum,so he sailed further to South Carolina.
So they're sailing down the coastline.So his plan was to attack Charlestown in
South Carolina and take it in onelike fell swoop. This goes poorly,
So the colonel Willet and mild Treecommanded a fort that he was having built

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outside of Charlestown on this island calledI was called Island of Palms now I
think it's called Long Island. Atthe time, it was near another island,
a Solivon Island. So all theseislands are kind of funneling towards Charlestown
and you had to go through thestrait to get there. So they built
this fort and it was made outof a type of wood called palmatow,

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and it has kind of a spongynature to it. It's act. It's
actually called like swamp cabbage tree.That's a that's a wild palm tree.
That's kind of like gross looking grosscabbage on it. Oh boy, well
you know what I got? Yeah, look at what the sure pal meadow.
Uh you can hear the clicking is. It's very overwhelming. The keyboard,

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very loud, fansty keyboards that havethese claes their therapeutic when you're using
them, but not so much whenyou're listening to them. Mechanical like one
of them bold yeah. Yeah.So the British attempted to attack, and
they thought a land invasion by likeamphibious assault would work out best. The

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problem is the area they thought theycould just like wade up to through the
water was way too deep. Itwas like neck deep water when they started
trying to jump out of the shipsto go up to the fort. So
they were moving very quick when theygot out. No, they were being
shot pretty badly by the people onthis fort. The sport is also only

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about half built, but it wasstill enough to like offer a little bit
of protection. A lot of Britishsoldiers got killed, like a hundred of
them got killed in this initial attack, like I said, didn't go too
well. So they decided they weregoing to try to bombard the fort.
The problem was the construction of thatfort being made of that wood, made

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it so that it was kind ofresilient to shell fragments from their cannons.
And on top of that, thesoil is very sandy and wasn't actually the
rocks or anything cob shrap normal oranything to hurt the other soldiers, so
their bombardment was almost completely without effect. It didn't kill anyone. So from

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the fort though, they were ableto bombard the British ships. Maltree had
installed three coastal cannons and they wereable to shoot and hit their ships.
He was able to actually destroy oneof their frigates heavily damaged four others.

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At this point there was over twohundred twenty British and only twelve Patriots sold.
This all happened in one single dayof battle as well. It was
quite the loss for the British tolose that ship and all those guys.
Why the world is going on withthe British like this is just crazy.
It's a strange decision, right,This was a terrible attack plan to jump

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all those guys into that deep waterand then afterwards you're clearly getting bombarded.
Why not pull back? They didn'tand they lost a lot because of it.
Well, I also think that thiskind of plays into the fact that
the British were so far removed fromthe colonies and in the like the structure

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of the British soldier structure, becausethey didn't realize. Maybe that's why I'm
going to assume they didn't realize thatthe terrain was so vastly different than what's
something that would that they were preparedfor or something. Ose is that a
fact the greatest military world. Theyseem to just have a very bad planning
in execution. Yeah, I supposeso. And then there was you know,

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obviously the people with colonies were completelyused to this. We started to
cut you off with. They havescouts and stuff everywhere, and you think
they'd be able to get wetter information, right, they benefitly should have some
information. I guess they just didn'ttake it seriously. Well, I should
point out that, you know,Boston held out for so long against the

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Patriot Army while Thomas Gage was incharge, but after he was removed,
it was merely a couple of monthsbefore Boston fell, and so Thomas Gage
was like the lynchpin in their initialcombat success. He was a really good
commander. But then Clinton and Howetook over and they were a little bit

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more, oh I say, boisterous, but not great commanders. So they
like pretended that they were great fightersand great commanders, but they had a
horrible time actually leading. This,you know, is another this is a
big blunder by Clinton, you know, And so it kind of shows that
they had some great leaders. Butthen they had a lot of people who

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were there because they had connections andthat was a big deal then, like
if you had enough money, youcould become general. And so some of
these landowners that had no idea howto fight, we're now in charge.
Wow. Yeah, that definitely doesn'tmake a good uh general because you have
money. No, Yeah, Andit wasn't like they didn't have a lot

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of free they had besides the youknow, I mentioned they had four frigates
that were damaged one destroyed, Buton top of that, they still had
three or four other ships all inthis fight, and they had roughly I
think it was something like four thousandsoldiers. This is a large force that
they were sending in the South Carolinafort there wasn't complete and they got beat

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and it's such a tremendous demoralizing blowfor the British. At this point,
They've lost Boston, they lost inNorth Carolina, and now this South Carolina
fight. This is a one twothree punch against them. And we are
in June of seventeen seventy six,late June seventeen seventy sixth we are days

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away from the you know, theDeclaration of Independence. You got to put
yourself in their shoes at this point. Now they ask how do we win
this? You know, this isa rough situation where, you know,
in their mindset at this point,they're trying to figure out who's to blame.
And so because of that, GeorgeClint's the most important part it is

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to them at this point. Anyway, George Clinton and the admiral of those
ships, his name is Parker.I forgot to mention him. Anyway,
they got into a fight at thispoint and started blaming each other publicly.
They were much like you know benAtgarnold wrote all those letters, you know,
slamming what's his name, and EithanAllen Ethan Allen, and he was

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writing letters about him, slamming him. Same thing was happening here. Clinton
and Parker went to war with eachother with you know, slam pieces,
seams are falling apart, they're fightingeach other. Now. The Crown didn't
take a side between those two.But of the two, they only publicly

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commended Parker for his deeds during thefight. Obviously they kind of it was
like a left handed attack against Clinton, saying, you know, you didn't
even get commended on this. Iwonder, I do wonder if that was
because he was, you know,the general, and so they wanted to
maybe maybe give a little bit moreblind to him as opposed to the admiral.

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Yeah, I think so, becausefor one thing, they really needed
their navy to be happy, becausethe navy was the only thing keeping him
in the fight at this point,because they've lost a lot of guys,
a lot of guys have been captured. They were reinforcements for on the way,
but it would be some time.So at this point, Clinton and

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Parker pulled the remainder of their forceand they took them. They're going back
north, all the way up toNew York. They're completely abandoning the South.
They're giving up on that fight becausethey got beat so badly. And
South Carolina also will not be attackedfor three more years. Both Carolinas beat

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the British so badly that they neversee fights again till nineteen or seventeen eighty.
There we want to just pack upand leave, which half of the
battle is probably traveling and have war. I mean, especially then you have
to Now you have to float backup. You supply this army that's on
this boat. You gotta try tonot get sick or die from grand travel.

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Hope there's no bad weather, andthen hopefully you can reunite with somebody
up north, because you know,anything can happen in New York in this
time that they don't know about.I also want to point out that even
though I can't, I couldn't findanything specifically with r OL Buddy Whipple to

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say he harassed specifically specifically these frigates. The frigates were often getting harassed by
different colony navy, so you know, so you know, there was also
they had to deal with that.Who knows how many shots they had to
fire before they even got to SouthCarolina, other ships like that. I
did assume when I heard a shipwas being blown up, that did cross

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my mind. So that fort thatthey were building there eventually got finished later
on, and it was actually namedafter Maltree, the guy who commanded it
drying that fight. So it's kindof actor McDonald's no, no, McDonald's
unforse Isn't it funny? Though?The were not funny. But it's interesting
that these two fights, two instrummental fights, both end up getting something

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named after the commanding army afterwards.And you know, so like Moore got
More's Creek and then Maltree got FortMoultrie. I think McDonald's the one.
In the end, though, wecould all say McDonald's did when Yeah,
you're talking land control, Yeah,by a lot, so he died.
Uh, please tell me somehow thathas to do the name of McDonald's.

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We can just unofficially say that justcalled. Yeah, I guess we could
say that. I mean, whynot? Do you have a visual on
this guy jacket? He looked likehe, uh would be the creator McDonald's.
I could not actually find donald McDonald'sa picture of him. It seems
like a pretty rare name they wouldbe. I tried to find him and

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I couldn't, but I you know, maybe a jack could find him.
Oh. Fort Moultrie later becomes uh, Fort Sumter later in life, and
that is the yeah, where theAmerica's Civil War starts later. So it's
kind of interesting that that is stillinvolved with wars, you know, so
much later on. I thought thatwas interesting too, So like this half

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finished fort ends up becoming a vitalpiece of American history later and one hundred
years later, you know, it'skind of neat. Seventeen eighty is when
South Carolina gets under attack again,and it will be by Clinton. He
comes back trying to take and tobelieve he successfully takes Charles Town later but

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so like he gets his gets hischance to get revenge. Now he's high
tailing up to New York, hopingto turn the tide up there with some
new reinforcements. At this point,it is days away from the signing of
the Declaration of Independence and everything ismoving on in this world. The Revolution

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is officially underway. The Continental Armyis winning victories. Like it's not just
like Bunker Hill, which they provedthey could fight. These are actual victories.
They have won, full battles,taking people, capture destroyed ships.
It is a kind of a roughpoint for the British Army. They do

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come back hard. They straight backhard. But right now it's kind of
like, well, what we do. We got to get men, and
that's when they start hiring the Germanmercenaries. They get start getting shipped in
hard at this point to help fightthis whole battle. Actually a slight aside

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on the German mercenaries. They werecalled the Hessians because they're from Hessia,
and I don't know if you thestory of the Headless Horseman was originally called
the Headless Hessian because he was aHessian mercenary guys had cut off during the
Revolutionary War. So I was notaware of that. Yeah, so that

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slight aside because I thought of itwhen I mentioned it just now. But
yeah, it's that's that the Germanmercenaries are coming. One of them,
I guess, is technically the HeadlessHorseman, which com fitting for Halloween.
Yeah, I was gonna say itwas gonna fit fit, which is what
Luke was trying to do. Totally. Oh, yeah, totally, I
was. I was totally thinking aboutthe fact that this almost Halloween and he

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knew this was going to come outon the day before Halloween, and that
was all going to tie together atthe job exactly So is it is this
question time? What do you gotJack, I've got questions. I've got
questions. You go ahead, Jack, I might have answers. Oh yes,
Uh. My question was if itwas about the earthen works or the

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and for it, what how exactlydid they go about building something like that,
Like is it like propped up withlike like wood fortifications. Is it
just kind of like mounted up?Is it? They would dig up a
bunch of earth, you know,with their various tools like shovels and digging
and iron to ring up. Makessense. Yeah, So they would bust

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up the earth and then they wouldmount it up, and they would actually
use some boards and like crossbars,kind of like World War One trenches.
It was kind of like that,only there was no They weren't digging down.
They were digging up the earth,you know, they were mounting it
up, and then they would putthose boards behind it to hold it in

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place, and then they would couldput cutouts where you could put your rifle
through, and then also the cannonbarrels, so they would cut out a
little dibot into the earth and thenyou could lay and shoot. Some of
them were mounted up so high youhad to climb up onto it and then
lay and shoot. But some ofthem were lower down, like you know,

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two or three feet off the ground, all of which were more effective
than being in water up to yourneck or charging across a bridge with no
cover. Yes, it's insane.Yeah, I don't know. I got
first I thought, oh, that'scool, the last Highland charges in the
Revolutionary War. And then you readwhat happened. It's like, well,

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that was a bad idea, thatwas real good. Yeah, it's just
like signing yourself up to get Imean they just signed them all up to
die basically. And you know theseguys they were technically like a militia themselves,
so they weren't actually fully trained soldiers. So except for like the lieutenants

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in general. So like the lieutenantwhose idea it was really got those people
killed. Oh actually he died onthat bridge. I forgot to bring this
up. McLeod died on that bridgeand they counted he was shot by twenty
four musketballs. Wow. Yeah,so he got war, was in the
very front. He got annihilated.Whoa, I mean it's twenty four different

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people aimed at him. Yeah,because you go with fire at one time,
and that it was one volley too, that's how they fired. And
that's crazy. Is that even possiblethem? Yeah, he must have just
been a very big target or something. Yeah, something made him stand out.
So so Donald McDonald. See,he's been like he was part of

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like the their military since from likeseventeen forty six. He's like known for
other battles. So I'm just kindof surprised by the you know, the
decision process. I mean, hewas like, you know, he had
given the control to McLeod, butthe same thing. You would think there
was some kind of discussion between thetwo of them and what to do.
He was apparently very sick. Ithink he couldn't even leave his tent,

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so I don't think he had anyability to actually command at that point.
So he had been in it fora while, that's what you're saying.
Yes, I was also able tofind a painting. It is honestly very
similar to you know, obviously theyhad a style of painting, you know,
where they cant of painted a lotof people very similar looking. But

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if I were like just look atit, I don't know that I could
could be like, oh that's onepercent. Definitely not George Washington. It's
just kind of like a very similarportrait style. I guess I could say,
you gotta say he looks like RonaldMcDonald. That would have been not

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so be like wow, yeah,no, wonder Speaking of George Washington,
what was he doing well? Soa couple of questions I have. One
of them is what what's George Washingtondoing right now? So during the fight
in North Carolina, he was stillsieging Boston, but the South Carolina fight
he was still putting together everything.After the siege to Boston, so like,

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you know, the men were resting, they were preparing, and so
he was in Boston that this pointand just like trying to figure out what
to do next. And it wasyou know, after you take that,
what do you do? You gotthis thing by the tail now and now
you don't know what to do.So he was still very much sorting out
Boston at this point and getting everythingrunning smoothly. Do we know what he

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thought about this that he just like, is it like Washington nods, like
humber nods, just Washington nods aboutthis thing. I do believe it would
have reached him at some point,But he was also preparing to go to
the Continental Congress for the you know, when they were preparing to do the
declaration, So it was it wouldhave been like on his mind, but

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it wouldn't. It wasn't like,you know, it was good to happen,
but he wouldn't have thought like,oh wow, this is something we
didn't all be talking about. Itwas just like, oh wow, they
made a huge mistake, and itwas great for us because now we no
longer have to worry about the Carolinas. And that was definitely on his mind

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when they first left Boston for theCarolinas. It was like, well,
okay, now we got to preparefor them to be marching on our rear
after they take those colonies, becauseit was actually pretty well believed that they
were going to take those colonies,and the fact that they got been so
badly by some seriously horrible mistakes thatit was like a relief over on everyone.

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It's like, now I no longerhave to worry about that. Now
it's gonna worry about New York.You gotta imagine the three victories and kind
of pretty pretty quick succession as faras like timeline goes. And then shortly
after this the Declaration that they hadto really ease the minds of people signing
it right at that moment where we'rejust getting like a lot of news of

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victories right now. So you know, obviously there was a lot to be
said about the signing of decoration.But it's just like kind of like perfect
timing, right we think about it, like when the declaration signings start to
go off and all of a suddenyou're kind of surrounded by these these pretty
big victories. It's a good pointbecause if you would have got one in

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there and got smoked, could havebeen a different feeling in the room or
just in general, I guess fillin the rooms the saying. But speaking
of feeling in the room, what, let's go, how are the hierarchy
of the British and all? Whatwere they thinking back in back at home
at their home. So even Britain, they wouldn't hear about these losses for
a little bit, right This newswould reach them, but they wouldn't have

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much time to dwell on this though, because then within a week later they
would also get the news that thedeclaration was signed. So it's it's interesting
that these were two really big fights, like you know, for everyone involved,
but it would be overshadowed by theevent of the next week. So

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yes, they when they first didhear about this a couple of months later,
they were like, oh my god, what we do now? You
know, this is you know,horrible. That's why they ended up commending
Parker and sort of throwing some shadeon Clinton for you know, his failure
there by not giving a public commendation. But they didn't have enough time to

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actually dwell on it because of whatwould happen. So it's kind of an
odd sense of like, yes,this was important, but not nearly as
important as it would happened next.But you know the here at home,
they're feeling great though, oh gotmuch so yeah, there, all of
the Carolinas, for one, Iworked just absolutely a static that they had

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repelled the British so soundly that theywouldn't have to deal with them anymore.
And then they were preparing to sendmen up north to help, and so
like they were like, all right, we have time to send soldiers,
we have time to build our fortifications. It was a great time for them.
This was what be overshadowered later whenthey eventually do go through some hardships.

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But for this, for this moment, this was happiness for them.
They were able to repel the Britishand prove that they could beat anyone.
We talked about George Washington's recreating efforts. You certainly think this word of these
kind of things would certainly help,cause it absolutely did. Actually, recruitments
did go up after this. Thiswas a tremendous boon for the Colono Army.

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This was a you know, twohot you know, high profile victories,
and with fall Boston, three victoriesthey were able to, you know,
tell people, this is this isnot going to go away. We're
not going to fail. For atleast the moment they could say demonstratedly prove
that they could beat the British.I don't think I have any more questions.

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Check what you have. I justhave pictures of swamp cabbage trees and
Donal McDonald everything we've been waiting for. So what are these trees look like?
Talk to us about these trees whilethey just dripping of cabbage in a
swamp. So that's what I washoping to see. If that's not what
I see, the description of thembeing like palm trees, but gross is
actually probably the best way to describethem, it's like it's like a really

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thick palm tree with way way toomany limbs coming up from all directions,
from the base all the way tothe top. It almost looks like a
something on an alien planet, andit makes me uncomfortable to look at it.
This is something that you'd wish tohave in your landscaping. We should
definitely make sure we share these pictureson the social media as well as the

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picture of Donald McDonald so I couldsee him, because I gotta be a
connection here to McDonald's. I'm damnsure of it should be for sure.
Well, there's one picture. There'sone picture that maybe he was maybe this
is drawn after he had a littlebit too much McDonald's. There's two different

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portraits and I don't know that onehe has pants, on one he doesn't.
Yeah, controversial topic. How longsomebody that guy I didn't even have
pants and he was sick and ohMcDonald's I'm sure he meant well, actually,

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I'm not even sure about that.McDonald may have McLeod did not.
McLoud was very dumb. Yeah,oh man, So I think for me,
it's also this the highlander charge,right, is that is called yeah
Highlander charge they were. They werelike the movie Highlander where they were like
indestructible. Yeah, or they wouldshare like Brave Heart. I just wanted

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to make sure I mentioned mel Gibsonin every episode. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, he's on both sides.Guys. He's got his little hands all
over American history. He does.He always figured that a way to be
relevant. You know, one daywe'll work our way clear up to you
know, like aliens and signs likethat. Yes, we'll make it up
to mad Max years. And ifwe make our way away to Roswell stories,

(40:07):
then then then we'll definitely have signs. I'll go dock it just just
to watch along with signs. Yeah, that would be awesome. That'd be
an awesome Halloween for next year beforewe get that far to watch along.
I haven't watched that movie in solong. I still I still remember.
I think what I remember just asmuch as scary movie spin on it.

(40:30):
Oh yeah, with the sheriff withthe hat that keeps getting get Charlie Sheen.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the other yeah. Yeah.
Anyway, Wow, jaw Rule wasin that and everybody what a great movie.
Well, I'll start to segue here, get us out of here.
Jack. So, yeah, we'vegot a bunch of episodes up and we're

(40:50):
falling in a timeline here, Sogo to America Stories dot us. Man,
that just sounds so damn good.Make sure you get caught up on
everything. Sounds like we've kind ofset the stage for and I can maybe
guess what the next episode is.Oh yeah, it's pretty obvious you already,
you've already started. I'm sure you'regetting excited. That's gonna be a
that's gonna be another fun one.Yeah it is. I'm gonna go in

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some detailed to each most of themajor signers and everything. I think that's
good, a good one, Andwe're going to cover what they were wearing
during this. Actually I don't haveany access on They might have had pants,
they might not. Yeah, wedo all know. But what we
do know is that you are listeningout there and let us know what you
think. Make sure you're contacting usand all that great stuff the Jack is
about to cover. Yes on Twitter, you can contact us at America story

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And one day we're going to geton some other social media things and stuff
too. We're sure of it.You can also contact us off our website.
I know there's some contact forms onthere, so Americastories dot us Luca
waiting for you to just say somethingreally life changing here. I don't have

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anything life changing this time, justthat I was just kind of flabber gasted
by how bad of an idea theHighlight charge was. I couldn't come up
with something that was like inspirational aboutit, and like, these were two
crushing victories. It was a verybrave charge. It was a brave charge.
But for for the the US Armyor yeah, the continent Army,

(42:20):
these were crushing victories. They werenot even close. They didn't have to
worry about it. So yeah,I couldn't come with something inspirational on this
one. Yeah. I don't thinkI have anything either. I just stuck
on them. McDonald's kay. Yeah, ready to see these pantings, that's
for sure. I'm sure they're worldclass bannings. I think every thing we
should discuss, you should have toput a painting up in your room.

(42:42):
Check that would be oh yeah,just hang it up back to every high
me. Like everything that we've everdiscussed just has to go up on your
wallet. Everything we discussed in detailto get some mini posters printed of them,
Ethan Allen, Benedicte, g Arnold, all these different characters, George
Washington, we should we should photoshopthem all to not have pants, might

(43:07):
not? I don't know, wellWhipple of course, who looked like the
watching McCall it icon flaker out Whipple, that crazy pyromaniac. Anyway, until
next episode, don't don't express yourinner Whipple. Just keep it civil,

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No no charging anything, Just keepbeing yourselves and keep being great. Got
the kind of fix everybody knows.Run around there and you like him and

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care one day, roll eisode tothem. Some of us do this weekend,
some of us Doe Jeff Townsend,Media saved you good night. And

(44:39):
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