October 16, 2023 • 51 mins
On this episode of America Stories, Jeff, Luke, and Jack discuss the daily lives, routines, and food of the Colonial Soldier. We discuss the strict rules of Soldier life and the harsh punishments if those rules aren't followed. We also discuss the importance of a well maintained and properly used vault. As it was a matter of life and death.
From the combat drills to the payment we talk about the unsung heroes of the average soldier during the American revolutionary war.
From the combat drills to the payment we talk about the unsung heroes of the average soldier during the American revolutionary war.
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What you gonna do brother, whenJeff Townsend media runs wild on you.
America Stories. All right, allright, all right, welcome to yet
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another fantastic, superb stupendous episode ofAmerica Stories. I'm Jeff Townsend joining me
or Luke and Jock. Apparently he'sso every week you can't really see it,
but he gets cute and he changeshis name to something different here on
the recording, and so you don'tget to enjoy that. But I think
it was Jack o'lanyard last week.I think it was Jack off the week
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before. I'm not sure, butanyway, nevertheless, guys, we are
like, what is this the ninthepisode? Yeah? I think I dropped
something on the Delphi case. Sobut yeah, it's the ninth episode of
America's Stories. It's kind of crazy, how far We've come? Yeah it
is. It's like that song Let'ssee how far we come? Good song?
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What do you think, Jock?Is a famous song? Famous song?
So yeah, wow, you cancheck out the podcast. Of course,
we'll go ahead and get an earlyplug in Americastories dot us. And
like I said, we're eight episodesin, going on the ninth now,
so check out the previous episodes.We're kind of going in order through American
history here. We're doing this anyfun, lighthearted manner, and it's I
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think it's interesting stuff too. Ithink if you don't even need history class,
if you just listen to this podcast, so American history is not needed,
we'll dis cover you. Yeah,we've got you. I guess we
didn't start out at the very veryvery very beginning, but nevertheless, we
did start off with right before theRevolutionary War, and we're working our way
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through it. Now, what didwe do last episode? Guys? Was
it the center the end of thesiege of Boston. That's all we did.
That's all we did. So everycouple episodes we kind of break off
and we do a little bit moredetail on things. And that's kind of
what you guys had in mind fortoday's recording. Yes, we want to
speak about well, you know,we always hear about the grand you know,
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figures of the time. You know, they they just Washington's and the
atoms and and they like, Butnot enough time has ever spent on the
regular soldiers at the time. Wefocus on the big dogs, is what
you're saying. We don't don't Wegot to focus on the little people,
the little dogs. Little dogs areimportant. These were people who were on
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the front lines. There was peoplewe were dying for this cause, right,
and they they definitely deserve their due. But it's interesting to know,
like what was the day to daylife of one of these souls when they
weren't fighting. So, the averageevolutionary soldier in the Colonial army at the
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start of the war was enlistment ofabout six months, so, which was
not a lot of time to trainand then you know, deploy, And
so we talked about that in thelast episode. We're talking about towards the
end of winter, Washington was worriedabout a lot of these enlistments coming up
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because these soldiers are on a shortterm. Shortly after that, they began
raising the terms of how long youare listed and ended up being up to
three years. Did they not thinkit was going to be I just tried
to think of how they came upwith the number to begin with. I
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get the extended later, but theyjust think this is going to be like
a short term thing. So that'sactually a good question. And I believe
that a lot of people at thetime, we're just knowing that this was
going to be resolved diplomatically still,and so they just were like, well,
we see a hold at this levelof troops for a while, and
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then later it will we'll just youknow, well, after we discuss things,
we won't need them anymore. Thatsix months is still a long time,
don't get me wrong. I meanthat's still a really long time when
you're doing that every day. Yeah, And like I said, by the
end of it, they had expandedit up to three years. The way
they got people agree to enlist forthat length of time is they promised everyone
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one hundred acres of land when theywhen they finish their enlistments. That was
a big thing back then, right, everybody wanted property. Yeah, I
mean it's still technically a big thingnow. Yeah. Oh yeah, but
I'm not sure i'd go to fightat war for three years therefore some property.
That's true. Yeah. Still,though, it's like they can't pay
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him money. So what you're sayingis they may not be able. Like
what they couldn't pay in funds,they might make up foreign assets, and
that assets being acres of land exactly. Yeah, they could pay them a
moderate amount of cash, but theyknew that the real way to bring them
in would be the land at theend. The actually the soldiers pay was
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around six dollars and thirty five centsa month, which equals to be about
thirteen hundred and today's dollars. Nota substantial amount today's money either, really
no, not really no, especiallybecause they had to buy their own equipment
and uniform. Oh wow, yeah, all their musket balls and everything.
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They had to pay for themselves outof pocket, so obviously there wasn't a
lot of cash to go around.They did get food when they're in camp.
They were given about a pound anda half of beef per day that
was supplemented with a pound of breador one and a half pounds of flour.
You had a choice there. Butthe beef that also counted the weight
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of the bone, fat, andcartilage, so it wasn't all just meat.
It was, you know, kindof the scrap parts of the beef
that they gave them. Almost werethey just going to eat the flour like
I'm trying to figure out. Itwas like either or so they would usually
make a meal with it. Theywould sometimes make a porridge like a flour
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porridge, or they would make apancake what they would like to do at
the time was mixed a little bitof water, flour, salt, and
some of the beef fat into apancake and then they've cooked that up on
a board which I think it wascalled bannock board. Then that would be
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cooked up next to the fire.If they didn't have a bannic board,
they would usually cook at a spadeor even sometimes just straight off a stone
in the in the ash spade.And to like the extent of them also
buying their own equipment and like bulletsand things, some of them would probably
also bring along other types of youknow, herbs or spices or something like
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that. That's something dry that theycould put with the food. So,
you know, we see a lotof stories about military people who would make
stews with the meat and then maybeadd flour to thicken it, things like
that, and then whatever flavoring theycould add to it along with the mail.
What if they were like selling thisstuff to each other, you know,
like, oh, I'm sure therewas some trading because there were some
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other conditions for other people outside ofthe military to get rations, and so
you can imagine that they would havebeen trading. If someone wanted more beef
for more bread, depending on whattypes do they were trying to make,
or maybe summer sausage. I gottamentioned summer sausage in every episode. So
of this so good. Seems likeyou can carry your bag, you know,
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and as you're going just take abite out of it and put it
back in there some kind of jerky, yeah, exactly. They were also
give a daily ration of about twoounces two three ounces of hard spirits that
was to go into your canteen ofwater that you would get usually from a
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creek. And at the time theydidn't really know what they were exactly why,
because bacteria wasn't really ann saying atthe time, but they knew that
it made it more palatable and usuallyless sickness was spread. You think they
called it a creek or a creek, I would say creek for sure,
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chalk, what would you have yourmoney on? Well, I still call
it a creek, So I hopethey called it a creek. So yeah,
they didn't really, I guess Ididn't think about that. Obviously,
it's not good just to drink straightout of the creek, but you gotta
do what you gotta do, right, Yeah, they did also boil water
in the camp, but if youwere out in the field training, you
would drink it out of a canteen, and so you would you would definitely
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want that alcohol in there at atleast somewhat purify it. I gotcha.
So it's not to get a littlebit of a kick, if you know
what I mean, it's to sterilizethe crik water or lakewater or whatever the
heck they were doing ease. Okay, does that actually work? Well?
It did somewhat. It's actually whyif people drink so much beer back in
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the day, because beer was easierto drink once it had a little bit
of fermentation. They would make what'scalled small beers and it would have like
one ounce or two or one percentor two percent alcohol, and that would
be enough to kill off the bacteriaand make it so you didn't get dehydrated
and hung over. So you meanto bring small beers back. I agree.
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Small beer is actually something that theywould make in each household. Like
you didn't have necessarily be a brewer, have like a brewery to make small
beer. You just kind of didit in like a bowl in your house
or a jog or something like that. Wow. Yeah. It was definitely
a part that was very common inday to day life, so they really
knew how to do it. Didthey get this from this? Like where
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did they get this from? Justlike a tradition that was practiced around the
world or yeah, pretty much itwas practiced everywhere at the time. Because
it was no it was a knownthing. They didn't know. Like I
said, they didn't have the scienceof the bacteria, but they knew that
this would you know, you getthe ships if you just drink it shraight
out of the creek, is whatyou're saying. Yeah, yeah, sore.
On those lines, they also,well they didn't necessarily know about the
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bacteria. They didn't know that theyneeded to preserve it, right, They
had to take action to make sureeither food or drink would go bad.
So that's why they would like pickleor brine like meats, and like casks
and jars and things like that.It would put like a lost and salt
water to preserve the meat longer,and then they probably just like, well,
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let's preserve the water longer. Sothey didn't have whatever the you know,
whatever it is that's causing it togo bad. The day to day
of the soldiers were almost entirely takenup with drills regarding musket and banonet practice,
as well as building forts and digginglatrines. Latrines at the time were
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actually called vaults. I actually don'tknow why, but it changed over the
years, but vaults is what theywere called. And the vault was basically
a hole that they dug out witha slit over the top that they put
on there with wood and that wouldact as their latrine vault. Interesting,
so you said banet right when theyfirst started, they didn't. This was
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not like a common American practice,right, This was something that was adapted.
Yes, when they originally they didnot have. And shortly after the
Battle of Boston, the band hasbecame a band at practice, and have
you know, there was more widespread. They definitely knew that they needed them
after Bunker Hill, and they justflat out produced them to get them in
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time. A day of drilling wouldlast eight hours solid, regardless of weather.
You didn't have time to eat duringthat time. You would just basically
be drilling the entire time. Atnight is when you would break again for
food. Every group of men wasan eight men squad that they call a
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mess. You all cooked together.Everyone worked together to make their meals,
and that's why they would a lotof times would take flour because then they
can make a bigger meal with apound and a half of flour as opposed
to a pound of bread. Sosomebody would be in charge of making the
cakes while someone cooked all the meat. I said earlier the thing the campfire
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cakes was another word for but thepancakes that they made was really popular,
and like Jack brought up, ifyou were lucky, someone bought some spices
to add to all this. Otherwiseyou had a very land meal compared to
what we know today. Obviously.The other thing they loved doing at night
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is they played games. And Ifound this really interesting researching this, I
was like, what kind of gameswere popular then? So there were two
that were the most popular in camp. Can we guess these real quick before?
Please? I'm gonna say. I'mgonna guess first, Hide and Seek
and Duc Duck Goose. That's exactlywhat I was gonna say. No,
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I was gonna say something like diceor something. I don't know. Well,
the two games was a dice game. It's called Hazard and it was
basically an early form of craps,but strangely more difficult than craps. I
don't know how to play craps,and they're time. I try to read
how to play it, I geta headache. Apparently hazard is a more
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complicated form of that, as Presidentcalled it vaults. You know, they
would have played duck dout Goose.They could have also had some of their
training and yeah, like hiding andfrom the enemy and shutting around. I
guess, And yeah, there's astrategy to duck Doug Goose. There is.
You know, it's a mental andphysical aspect, so it's a psychological
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game more than anything. So theyplayed craps and what was the other one?
The other one was a game calledwhist uh spelled w h I s
T. If you have played Yuker, ever, it's essentially Uker, a
trick taking curve game. Uh.The only major difference between Whist and Uker
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is to use every card in thedeck, as opposed to just the was
it nine through ace in U useall of them and whist also you have
a hand of thirteen. We're gonnaskip over the fact that your family used
to play so much. You createand I and I never once learned how
to play that. Luckily who weplayed you multiple times a night. Actually,
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I think our one of our brotherswas in the You know how some
schools have like a chess team.He was a part of like a Yuker
team. I think he made thatup, honestly, he may have.
He's only this one, but Inever followed up. It is a big
thing in your It is a bigthing, and I just still had the
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tension span to play cards at all. That's why I said that. But
Uker is a big thing. Soyeah, I'm sure you let read that,
Luke, and you get a littlehard point and feeling that. I
mean, it's a fantastic card.Yeah, it's kind of like you know
Rummy. You know if you everplayed Jen Rummy, right, I like
that. I've only heard well,the problem that those games the thing is,
the thing is as you thought,it was actually called Lucre when you
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first started playing it. So thatthat's why you liked it so much?
Yeah? Absolutely, why So dayto day life in the camp was kept
under control with really strict punishments.Actually to a point that I wanted to
do this whole episode based on oneof these punishments. But anyway, So
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like small infractions such as like shirkingyour daily duty and chores, you were
punished with a caning in front ofeverybody, in front of everybody. Yeah,
is this like something that George Washingtonbrought to the table. He was
a fan of keeping morale or keepingpeople in check. Strict check. All
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right, yeah, keep me goingto check with with punishments. But larger
infractions would end a public execution.Things just got okay. So like,
gott to give you an example,like, because a cane is pretty bad,
what would be a large Like whatwould you have to do to make
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that large category? I'm glad youasked, because this is the reason why
I brought this all up. Soif you did not use a vault when
you defecated, I believe, ornot straight to execution, Like what would
you do? Until alternative that ifyou just defecated on the ground, and
what if you went to the woods, it would if they caught you,
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it'd be execution. So the otherquestion is, you know, does a
bear do that in the woods?Well, a colonial soldier does. We've
got standards. You're gonna shit inthis hole? It's basically yes, I
read that. I was like whatBut then I thought about it, and
there's a reason behind it, andit Lets prevent disease and sickness anything and
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get it into the ground water orthe river water. Because of all the
soldiers that died during the war,only ten percent died from battle. The
rest died from disease, sickness,and infection. And definitely believable for that
crazy right, this, this iswhat we'll get you killed. But that's
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what they did. So there's documentedcases of this happening. Yeah, I
I they did. Yeah you thinkJohn Brown would have defecated in on the
ground and very dressiful. I'm surehe would have. Yeah, he would.
Well, he would have gone awaywith it though. I mean,
he's John Brown man. That sookay, So let me get let let
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me dive deeper to this vault.Yeah, a terrible place. Yeah,
so how did you Okay, So, if you're defecating in a vault,
which sounds terrible, which is ahole in the ground, basically it's covered
up. So are they going downinto the vault to defecate? Are they
defecating down like into it through anopening? Yeah? So what they do
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is they dig out a big cavernishthing and then they put h wood planks
across with slits in them, andthen you defecate, yeah, and up
through that. So it's like amodern day porter potty. Yeah. So
nobody went down inside of the vault, no, because they would just bury
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it after it got too full,and you build another volt, dig another
volt, gotcha. So when yousaid that earlier, I thought they were
like going to use this for likefighting. I guess they're fighting something,
but it's not war, so thatthey're okay. I see how you did
that there. I thought, Iwonder, like, whose job is it
to maintain the vault the vault tomake those important decisions on when to bury
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the vault to monitor I believe whatI've read that was kind of like a
camp shared duty. Uh Basically,uh, if you saw that it was
full, you, you and yourmess of guys would would uh cover it
and then start digging the next one. You're on vault duty to night boys.
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So it's kind of like, youknow, when the trashities be taken
out and there was stacks up asmuch as they can to avoid taking you
know, want to take it out. I would be concerned, like that
moment when we cover up the previousvault and we don't have another one,
and like what if you got togo? You know, you're how many
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voters they have ahead of time?Dig that vault fast because your life is
on the line. I believe theydug out several at a time, so
really really using several of the time, or it's only one. This is
a lot of questions they use thatthey they would dig a few, so
I would have assumed that they havea few. So maybe like the group
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that you're mentioning had their own volt. I don't believe it was just that
few amount of people, but it'sprobably one for like fifty or so people
public restrooms. Yeah, I mightdig my own volt. That was daily
life in a camp for a soldier, but they weren't always in a camp,
and when they were on the march, they had to take everything that
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they needed with them obviously, Sowhen you were on the march for a
day, which would be about eighthours every day, you'd be carrying about
forty five pounds of gear that wouldbe your rifle, your bullets and powder,
rations, mess kit, canteen,blankets and stuff like that on your
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back and it's a very uncomfortable,you know, bulky and knapsack that you
would have, and it would,uh, you know, be up just
a kind of a horrible situation marchingthat long. And then on top of
all that, the food that youhad while you were marching was even less
appealing than what you had in camp. Instead of bread, you would have
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hard tack, which is a drycracker kind of thing, like I don't
know if you've ever seen it,but it is so hard that you could
actually break your teeth. What theywould do is they would put that into
their canteens. Let's soak up thewater so they could kind of like slurp
it down and drink it over time, or they would boil it at night,
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you know, like a make aa porridge out of it. The
other thing they would get is,say, you know, the fresh beef
was either dried beef or pemmican,which is dried beef as stored inside of
fat. Yeah, let's go backto the million dollar question of the defecating
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because there are a lot of peoplelisten to there are several I'm surprised the
number of people who listened to thispodcast, and I feel like I got
to do justice, and feel freeto contact me if you are just as
curious as I am. What werethe rules of defecating on the go?
We're able to find that in yourhours and hours hundred jars research of defication.
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So they would do it dig akind of a quick short fault,
like it would be like smaller,not as deep, so that they don't
have to just be at the endof the day or beginning of the day.
They would dig out a quick trenchand you would use that and then
bear it. They took bathroom breaks. Yeah, what happens if you,
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you know, you ate some baddry beef and whatever. That other thing
you said was can I remember now? And you really had to go.
You just got to hold it in. So there was a lot of people
who I believe you had read afew times of people who had to break
away and sneak away and dig ahole and do it themselves real fast,
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and they had to give back inline before anyone noticed. But these were
just like passing mentions. Though Idon't know how often it happened, I'm
sure it happened pretty often, butyeah, basically you would just try to
speak away while your your lieutenant wasn'tlooking and then dig a hole and go,
Man, this sounds terrible. Sothey didn't carrying shovels or they I
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mean everybody did have their shovel orsomething like a lot of times you would
you would have some sort of entrenchingtool. It would be like some sort
of a little shovel sounds like anoisy thing to do to well, you
got you remember, you got awhole comforty guys with like frying pans on
their back walking making clan noises.You probably won't get hurt. This is
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uh, it's a matter of lifeor death. I think Jock said it
best. Yeah. Yeah, andI would Uh, I would be like
I would cover for people. I'dbe like, oh, yeah, he
definitely he definitely dug a hole.He got he got, he'd definitely small.
I'm diging a hole. I watchedhim the whole time. You'd have
to look out for each other.Yeah, you would have to be a
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really kind of horrible person to justlike turn someone in. Yeah, can
you imagine that Benedict Artif would havedefinitely trained somebody in bitty dick. Uh,
I'm not gonna lie ever since youbrought up this. I haven't heard
anything else. I just keep thinkingabout how it is. It is,
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but I get it. It's amatter of personal hygiene, which is important,
but man, like this is likethese like these are stricter rules than
like just going hunting in the woods. Yeah. Yeah, And it's just
actually, like I said it,while I was like, oh, this
is the episode we're doing this week, Well, I talk about this because
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I found out this fact. Jock. You're smiling really, big guy,
What it's going through your mind?You know, other than the audio and
the audio in secretes but other thanthat. Yeah, I'm just I'm just
I'm just thinking about really glad wehave indoor plumbing. I just like I've
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gotta wonder how much because like Igotta wonder how much this strell is George
Washington, like he's gotta come in, he's gotta turn things around, he's
gotta prioritize the fecal manner of whichwe're well, what if it was what
if it was like just terrible?What if they were just like rampant and
like what are you guys doing atleast like a hole? Yeah? Yeah,
like what was happening before where theyhad to like make a role where
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I will I will kill you ifyou keep doing this, You're done.
Like what were these guys doing theshipping? I'll over each other like this
is extreme. Franklin was. Iwas heavily involved with George Washington's reforms how
camps were around, and Ben Franklinwas kind of like an early pioneer in
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terms of hygiene and stuff like that. So he never mind, Yeah that's
what they say on the office.It's like something like that's a great topic
or something like that. But yeah, it's definitely a He was definitely influence
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Washington to, you know, makesure that they were strict on these things.
And then I'm sure a lot ofthis Hall came from Washington when he
took over. You think he saidin like progress reports back on to Ben
Franklin on the cleanliness of the waysconducting this, I assume. So I
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actually I don't know if there's anythinglike that, but I would actually be
curious if if there was like somedocuments that specifically stated, like I don't
know, maybe how many people wereexecuted for this, you know, that
would be an interesting number to nowwhat do you say? Okay, so
if you do go as far toexecute somebody for this, what do you
say to the family. That's agood question. This guy. You did
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not understand how often this guy woulddefecate. We had we had to shoot
him, like how could you howcould this be accepted? Like it'd be
devastating. That's a good question.I would like to see the letter home
that was written explain why this personwas executed. Soldiers when they were drilling
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had to learn how to fire thebullets rapidly. They were the goal of
firing your musket wasn't so much tobe accurate. He was to fire a
lot of them. So the numberone thing they trained was how fast do
you reload and fire again? Andyou had to get it up to four
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bullets per minute. Some people whoare rapid fire like specialists, they get
up to five or so per mintentand that was considered to be amazing.
Uh. It's interesting now that kindof fire rate would be absurdly slow,
but for at the time that waspretty good, like four per minutent.
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It's crazy. This is something thatthe British was known to be excellent at
fire Raider, yes, I believethey were at the time, were the
fastest of reloading and firing again.And that's why they were so great at
winning battles because they could break theenemy lines quickly with just a volley after
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volley of musket balls. For thoseof you listening, I hope you leave
these clicking sounds that it's also yes, Jack is investigating something. Yes,
my keyword is really really loud.You look at the world rankings of muzzleoader
reloading or of the British. TheBritish musket uh firing rate was three to
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four permitted. So so they're tryingto get him up to British standard basically
British or slightly better. Yeah.So in the day to day camp life,
thing that is not as talked aboutas much is if you had a
family and they lived in the area, you were allowed to have them live
with you in camp, and wiveswere given a half ration half daily ration,
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and kids were getting a quarter dailyration. The wives could earn another
half ration by doing work in thecamp as like laundresses or cooks and so
on. So this was that alot of people liked a lot because they
could have their family near them atfirst. Anyway, usually though you would
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march away and you wouldn't have themanymore. I wonder if this is a
I don't want to hold this upforever, but I know it varies greatly.
But how long would they typically stayat a camp, do you think?
So? That would obviously depend onwhether or not they were planning on
camp painting or attacking somewhere. Sometimes, like during the winter, they would
hold up almost the entire winter inthat camp. Otherwise they would march after
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a couple of weeks. And obviouslycertain areas where they were under siege,
they were there for a while.You got anything else there, I'll just
keep ASKINGO. I have a lotof questions, so I'll let you do
what you're doing. So there isone other thing. It has to do
with the women in the camp.Washington was strict about another thing. He
made sure that there were no prostitutesallowed anywhere near the camp. If you
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broke this law, you would havea severe beating. I mean, compared
to those other punishments. I guessthat's not so bad. Wow, I
don't know what ilse to say.It was not as a baud as shitting
on the ground. Yeah, youdidn't get executed. I guess it was
still fairly strict. Yeah, everybody, that's a lot of people to get
beat take a beating. Yeah.Like I said, it was also mostly
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done. And the name of controllinginfections and disease it was, you know,
something they had to curtail. Theydidn't want people coming in that they
didn't know. On top of that, they didn't want any sexually transmitted diseases
to have in the camps. Allthese things would have cut the ability of
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the war machine to be able tofight. At this point, there was
probably about twelve thousand Colonial army.It never got bigger than seventeen thousand.
A total one hundred and seventy thousanddifferent people had fought in the army throughout
the entire war, but it nevergot bigger than about seventeen thousand at any
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point. And so like, ifyou lose like ten percent to do illness,
that would totally wreck your ability tofight. Is it as a question,
tim what else do you got?That's about all I have. I
would like to get a little bitof an update on Abraham Whipple if I
would like to hear about, Well, we didn't really go through further in
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the timeline. I suppose I couldsay in the Revolutionary War were on the
topic of food. I gotta saysWifle was a wild man. We already
know that, but uh he So, just like generically speaking, navy,
I guess the Continental Navy during theRevolutionary War would be fed very similar to
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most other navies, which is likerations of meat and what they call ship's
biscuit, which was basically hard attack. I'm not really sure what the difference
between hart attack and ship biscuits,other than to help dry the bread.
They would leave it out in theopen so that like the salty air would
dry it out even more. Butthey would come up with dishes that they'd
come up with names for the dishes, and some people believe that they're silly
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sounding just because they wanted to havesome fun with it. So some recipes
will be called lobscouse and dandy funk. I think dandy funk sounds like a
very modern like joking name, butapparently they would they used that, and
it was basically just both of thesewere kind of like just variations of breaking
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up the ship biscuit and putting somemeat and water and boiling it. But
they're a little bit different. Butfor the most parts of the same,
they just kind of came with afunny name. So it seems like they
were having a little bit more funon the boats that they were in the
barracks is or wherever. They're justsetting setting sail and line ships on fires
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and having all sorts a good time. Apparently that's a good update. I'll
whipple though, question time, right, Yeah, it's question yeah, okay,
So this is more of a uh, dark sort of question, I
guess. So obviously we talked aboutdeath, and that would definitely happen as
they went along these marches to thesedifferent camps and just as time passed by,
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how would they handle a death ofsomebody, like, ritually speaking,
do we know what they would do? So they would usually do a burial.
If they were near a town,you would be buried in the cemetery
of that town. And you know, this was you know, in the
Middle Colonies, so a lot alot of times they were near some sort
of village. But if they weren't, they would actually dig like a camp
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graveyard, which would happen occasionally.There's definitely people who were buried out in
the woods when they died on amarch there. I've seen some journals mentioned
that, so it was it wasmore of a matter of where location.
If you were, like I said, if you had a cemetery nearby within
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days walking distance, you would probablytake them there. Yeah, you know
what, you know this we talkedabout the preventative stuff they did, but
this still happened, that still occurred, still had disease. Winter was a
particularly really brutal time. Going backto what you'd said earlier, So they're
kind of supplying their own clothes andall that. I mean, you go
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into and there are places they getreally freaking cold, so they're they're still
not supplied clothing really, no,no, no, no clothing was supplied.
In fact, one man wrote inhis journal that during when in Valley,
when they were hold up in ValleyForge, his socks had all been
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like rotten and torn away, andso he had no socks inside his shoes.
What he was you know, Sowent out there and not cold and
that was one of the coldest winterson record at the time. And so
yeah, dra all this, ifyou didn't have the money for clothes saved
up, you could seriously freeze thatand a lot of people did. Yeah,
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uh terrible, So okay, soI want to pivot a little bit
here. This had to have abig impact because they're going across the country.
They're going in these communities had tohave a like First of all,
just imagine like a shit ton ofsoldiers setting up camp near your house,
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near your city. It had tohave an economic impact as well, because
I'm sure if you needed supplies andstuff like that, you'd have to get
it at these certain I'm just gonnasay cities. I don't know a better
way to phrase it. But therehad to be an impact on the places
they're going to. Yes, itdid have an economic impact. It would
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be like a caravan of these guyscoming in and they would just buy up
all the food or that they wantedextra or clothing. So some towns really
enjoyed this because they had a chanceto sell some of their excess stuff.
Some places hated it because this wasgoing to possibly take away from the townsfolk
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who needed stuff, so they wouldraise the prices when these soldiers were incoming.
So it really was a dependent onthe area. Again, but it
could either be a welcome site ora very unwelcome site. They soldiers marching
man. Another thing is like tothink about is this wasn't a whole lot
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different over the course of history,like before this point or wherever, like
armies would be like moving around evenif you hear or read about like old
like ancient Roman military forces like movingfrom city to city or preparing for something
or you know, a march orsomething like that, and they would then
arrive in town they would do verymuch the same thing. They would buy
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a bunch of animals, livestocks thatthey put back at camp. They would
buy, you know, any amountof necessities like bowls and cups and clothing
and things like that. So asfar as like moving military that would have
like money to spend. This wasthis was not unheard of. Butter how
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they like got you the money too, would around like if you're on the
move her, you gotta get thesefunds to buy things, you know.
So they didn't always get the money. That wasn't it you. They would
always be like give you basically Iowe you, and you would just have
to accept that and then you wouldhave to hope that later on they would
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catch you up. And you reallydidn't have too much of a choice because
if they didn't, if you left, you'll be a wall, it'll be
executed. Excima, do what yougotta do. I guess keep people there.
What are happened to? People actuallywould just run away a lot.
Dessert show is a big thing throughoutthe entire Revolutionary War on both sides technically,
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but it definitely happened a lot withthe yeah, the colonial army,
and like you know, there wasa lot of backcountry that people could just
escape to. And I the lastquestion I have. We talked about the
illnesses and all that. Do theyhave a lot of trade medical personnel that
were participating in these camps or onthe move or you always had uh what
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would be the equivalent of a doctorat the time on hand at least one.
They did what they could. Theyinoculation was a known practice for smallpox,
but it was not a socially acceptedpractice, and so they did usually
practice inoculation in the camp, eventhough they really should have because a lot
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of people die just from small pox. You explain what that is. The
way they did it. You wouldtake a bit of the flesh of the
person a person who had smallpox.You would take it from one of the
postules on their body, and thenyou would slip it into the body of
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a person who does not have itby cutting it into their arm and then
slipping it up in there with likea stick, passe. That would give
you a small dose of the virus, which then your biby would build antibodies.
It did work. It didn't workone hundred percent, but it did
work a lot. But it wasconsidered to be somewhat unclean of an action.
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Yea, So it was not practicedopenly and only certain people who did
it, and they were kind ofoutcast when they found out you did anoculation.
Yeah, this is something that's talkedabout a lot though. You hear
about them doing this, So it'skind of like a vaccine with a stick,
which very vaccine basically. Yeah.Yeah, because it didn't work sometimes,
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you know, obviously some people died, some people just got you know,
they just got it the fox,and even thof did survive would probably
be like permanently scarred. Wherever theinoculation or whatever you want to call it
took place. You can't crap inthe woods, but I'm going to stick
a stick in you with smallpox onit. Yeah, Yeah, it's very
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rough. Oh man, this hasbeen an interesting episode though, obviously focused.
I probably never focused on defecating somuch in any conversation that I've ever
had, But in all seriousness,it was like a way to restore discipline
in order. And I get Iguess you could say, try to take
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care of the bigger picture as awhole. I'm stretching here to figure out
how to phrase it. Yeah,that's not too far off. Like it
was. If you absolutely needed thisgroup of people to fight a specific way
in order to win, you woulddo almost anything, And so these strict
crackdowns on everyone's practices were the onlyway that they could think of to keep
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everyone in line and keep everyone alive. Is also kind of like the defining
difference between the Continental military and saysomething like the Green Mountain Boys, who
may have been effective, but theywere certainly not very organized, so it's
unlikely that they would be able tolike win the war. Did they definitely
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deliver that for you think? Ohsure, I'm sure that. Trying to
alast thought of what I was goingto say originally, I think it's okay
at it now. It's important tonote, though, like you said,
I don't know how long would gobetween battles or even fights. Like could
be like months and months right withoutany actual battles, so that half of
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the bat more than half of thebattle, was actually a survival. Yeah.
Actually because like the siege of Bostonbefore they actually attacked, after Washington
got there was another six months sucha long grind you literally had to survive
in between battles. Yeah. Also, what you could forage or a farm
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as an army, I guess justfor me, it's like you really would
have to make an extended effort tostay disciplined, stay together and all that,
because you're not just going to battleevery day. He really is such
a bigger process than that that that'swhy they focused on a lot of these
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things. Yeah, for sure.It's more than just like the adrenaline or
whatever that would get you through themoment of a fight, because you know
that's not gonna last for six monthsor three years or however long. You
know, each individual soldier was supposedto be there. They needed some kind
of constant that there was no likewalking away from this. They had to
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really become like a one, oneunit with one purpose kind of thing.
What a conversation, a lot ofups and downs, and it's just crazy
to think about how they had toconduct a business I guess back then,
and just how life was back then. We have our challenges that every day,
but man, it's just I can'timagine the amount of ground they would
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cover also while doing this. It'sjust it's remarkable. This has been a
really interesting conversation, and I'm gladthat you guys picked this as an episode.
I guess it's something that I reallyhadn't thought about before. I don't
know, I'm maybe speaking for myself, but yeah, this was a actually
a funner one for me to research. I really enjoyed it because, like
it's something that people don't talk aboutthat often, you know, like you
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see a million documentaries on the HistoryChannel about all the you know, Washington
and everyone else, but like whenI was out to the person who's actually
doing the fighting, they kind ofget glossed over. Yeah, And like
the guys running the show and foundingFathers Congress, how everyone afraid. So
they had probably really no clue whatthese what these men were going through with
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the families everybody, but they probablydidn't have any clue what it was like
on the front line or not tothe extent that it was. Yeah,
there's there's there's no way. Sothey're like, you are gonna fight with
dignity, We're gonna follow these standards, are gonna follow these rules, and
uh, they have no clue whatthe conditions were like. And I'm sure
how difficult it was to maintain order. Yeah, And I'm I mean,
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I'm sure that they probably heard somestories, but you know, like like
even today, it's difficult to evenreally apprehended even when you hear it.
So that's probably you know, asfar as the extent that they got.
They may have heard some stories,but that's about as much as it could
be. So to actually live thatis an entirely different thing. What a
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thought provoking conversation. I hope everybody'senjoyed it as much as I have.
Just yeah, I guess just takea few minutes to really think about that
and how this come into play.And for me, it's just survival.
Just surviving as long as you canwas so much of the effort outside of
the battle. It's crazy to thinkabout, you know, modern war.
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Now you see these terrible things happeningtoday a couple of different countries. Just
it's the grind of survival internally andjust inside that group was insane, so
thought provoking conversation. You guys hada good job picking this one out.
We'll go ahead and segue now towardsthe end we've been going on here.
It's been a good conversation. Iappreciate it. Guys, if you want
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to learn more, maybe Jack,we'll get some more information up on americastories
dot us about the episode. Maybehe can find a couple of pictures of
bolts. Yes, maybe he canfind a couple of pictures of the food
that I don't even remember because allI took away from this was the bleakness
and then the volts. Yeah,maybe we can share some of that information.
That'd be cool. Absolutely. Iactually have a letter that I feel
like we should share on the websitefrom a wife that wrote to her husband
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that was at war while he wasaway. It was from the sane Well
it's a longer what letter, butwe should definitely share it on the website.
Yeah, and let us know yourpeople are listening. It's remarkable that
listening to the three guys just talkedus history. Let us know what you
think. Get a hold of us. Tell us if you love us,
tell us if you hate Jack hatehis microphone as much as the rest of
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us do. Let us know alot we do puus. They put a
lot of work into researching this.I have to kind of fine tune the
audio then they edit it out.So it's always good to hear back when
you're putting the work in. Soagain, I appreciate it. Alod listening,
and I'll go ahead and turn itto Jock. Yes, if you
have questions, as far as youcan message us through our email, which
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is that's one second, I'll saythat way you're looking, I've got another
challenge for Jack directly. Yea.Not only does he need to give me
episode title and show notes. Yeah, I think we need to get a
good Facebook page group going these AmericaStories try to get people's suggestions on stuff
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they want to hear, kind oflike another community to discuss some of this
stuff. I think it's something tothink about. Yeah, I agree.
I agree. So, but inthe meantime, they can't use the Gmail
which is America Stories Pod at gmaildot com. And you know, while
we're getting that Facebook page all setup, or they can follow us on
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Twitter or x whatever it's called nowat America Story Pod and Uh yeah,
you can find us wherever podcasts arefound and in our website. This is
the slowest, the slowest plug everthe websites Americastories dot us. Luke your
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closing thoughts. Jock's done for thenight. You know, I just I
like reading about normal people in historyas so like I feel like more people
need to do that. You needto read more just just the big names,
more than the you know, thethe name brand Coca Cola of historical
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figures. You need to read aboutsome of the lower little people and it
because it's definitely makes you feel moreconnected with the history. You got to
connect with the Fagos, you gotto connected with the the the Kroger.
The RC sounds really good. Okay, Yeah, I'm gonna take us home
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here. I'm gonna send this homepackaging with what I always say until in
the meantime, keep being you,keep being great. You got the kind
of fix everybody knows. Brother aroundthere, food and going at your hair,
(50:23):
and you lock him finding the roadand you do that's wrong. People
got a bang, all the dangerousfind it inside. The the best two
of us take care what they want. Like I said to them, some
of us do the best we can. Some of us do the best we
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can. Jeff Townsend, media seesyou. Good night. And the question
(51:16):
is do I stay here? Willyou be back? Are you going to
come back? Will you be back? Are you coming back?
What you gonna do brother, whenJeff Townsend media runs wild on you.
America Stories. All right, allright, all right, welcome to yet
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another fantastic, superb stupendous episode ofAmerica Stories. I'm Jeff Townsend joining me
or Luke and Jock. Apparently he'sso every week you can't really see it,
but he gets cute and he changeshis name to something different here on
the recording, and so you don'tget to enjoy that. But I think
it was Jack o'lanyard last week.I think it was Jack off the week
(00:50):
before. I'm not sure, butanyway, nevertheless, guys, we are
like, what is this the ninthepisode? Yeah? I think I dropped
something on the Delphi case. Sobut yeah, it's the ninth episode of
America's Stories. It's kind of crazy, how far We've come? Yeah it
is. It's like that song Let'ssee how far we come? Good song?
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What do you think, Jock?Is a famous song? Famous song?
So yeah, wow, you cancheck out the podcast. Of course,
we'll go ahead and get an earlyplug in Americastories dot us. And
like I said, we're eight episodesin, going on the ninth now,
so check out the previous episodes.We're kind of going in order through American
history here. We're doing this anyfun, lighthearted manner, and it's I
(01:34):
think it's interesting stuff too. Ithink if you don't even need history class,
if you just listen to this podcast, so American history is not needed,
we'll dis cover you. Yeah,we've got you. I guess we
didn't start out at the very veryvery very beginning, but nevertheless, we
did start off with right before theRevolutionary War, and we're working our way
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through it. Now, what didwe do last episode? Guys? Was
it the center the end of thesiege of Boston. That's all we did.
That's all we did. So everycouple episodes we kind of break off
and we do a little bit moredetail on things. And that's kind of
what you guys had in mind fortoday's recording. Yes, we want to
speak about well, you know,we always hear about the grand you know,
(02:21):
figures of the time. You know, they they just Washington's and the
atoms and and they like, Butnot enough time has ever spent on the
regular soldiers at the time. Wefocus on the big dogs, is what
you're saying. We don't don't Wegot to focus on the little people,
the little dogs. Little dogs areimportant. These were people who were on
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the front lines. There was peoplewe were dying for this cause, right,
and they they definitely deserve their due. But it's interesting to know,
like what was the day to daylife of one of these souls when they
weren't fighting. So, the averageevolutionary soldier in the Colonial army at the
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start of the war was enlistment ofabout six months, so, which was
not a lot of time to trainand then you know, deploy, And
so we talked about that in thelast episode. We're talking about towards the
end of winter, Washington was worriedabout a lot of these enlistments coming up
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because these soldiers are on a shortterm. Shortly after that, they began
raising the terms of how long youare listed and ended up being up to
three years. Did they not thinkit was going to be I just tried
to think of how they came upwith the number to begin with. I
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get the extended later, but theyjust think this is going to be like
a short term thing. So that'sactually a good question. And I believe
that a lot of people at thetime, we're just knowing that this was
going to be resolved diplomatically still,and so they just were like, well,
we see a hold at this levelof troops for a while, and
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then later it will we'll just youknow, well, after we discuss things,
we won't need them anymore. Thatsix months is still a long time,
don't get me wrong. I meanthat's still a really long time when
you're doing that every day. Yeah, And like I said, by the
end of it, they had expandedit up to three years. The way
they got people agree to enlist forthat length of time is they promised everyone
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one hundred acres of land when theywhen they finish their enlistments. That was
a big thing back then, right, everybody wanted property. Yeah, I
mean it's still technically a big thingnow. Yeah. Oh yeah, but
I'm not sure i'd go to fightat war for three years therefore some property.
That's true. Yeah. Still,though, it's like they can't pay
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him money. So what you're sayingis they may not be able. Like
what they couldn't pay in funds,they might make up foreign assets, and
that assets being acres of land exactly. Yeah, they could pay them a
moderate amount of cash, but theyknew that the real way to bring them
in would be the land at theend. The actually the soldiers pay was
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around six dollars and thirty five centsa month, which equals to be about
thirteen hundred and today's dollars. Nota substantial amount today's money either, really
no, not really no, especiallybecause they had to buy their own equipment
and uniform. Oh wow, yeah, all their musket balls and everything.
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They had to pay for themselves outof pocket, so obviously there wasn't a
lot of cash to go around.They did get food when they're in camp.
They were given about a pound anda half of beef per day that
was supplemented with a pound of breador one and a half pounds of flour.
You had a choice there. Butthe beef that also counted the weight
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of the bone, fat, andcartilage, so it wasn't all just meat.
It was, you know, kindof the scrap parts of the beef
that they gave them. Almost werethey just going to eat the flour like
I'm trying to figure out. Itwas like either or so they would usually
make a meal with it. Theywould sometimes make a porridge like a flour
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porridge, or they would make apancake what they would like to do at
the time was mixed a little bitof water, flour, salt, and
some of the beef fat into apancake and then they've cooked that up on
a board which I think it wascalled bannock board. Then that would be
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cooked up next to the fire.If they didn't have a bannic board,
they would usually cook at a spadeor even sometimes just straight off a stone
in the in the ash spade.And to like the extent of them also
buying their own equipment and like bulletsand things, some of them would probably
also bring along other types of youknow, herbs or spices or something like
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that. That's something dry that theycould put with the food. So,
you know, we see a lotof stories about military people who would make
stews with the meat and then maybeadd flour to thicken it, things like
that, and then whatever flavoring theycould add to it along with the mail.
What if they were like selling thisstuff to each other, you know,
like, oh, I'm sure therewas some trading because there were some
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other conditions for other people outside ofthe military to get rations, and so
you can imagine that they would havebeen trading. If someone wanted more beef
for more bread, depending on whattypes do they were trying to make,
or maybe summer sausage. I gottamentioned summer sausage in every episode. So
of this so good. Seems likeyou can carry your bag, you know,
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and as you're going just take abite out of it and put it
back in there some kind of jerky, yeah, exactly. They were also
give a daily ration of about twoounces two three ounces of hard spirits that
was to go into your canteen ofwater that you would get usually from a
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creek. And at the time theydidn't really know what they were exactly why,
because bacteria wasn't really ann saying atthe time, but they knew that
it made it more palatable and usuallyless sickness was spread. You think they
called it a creek or a creek, I would say creek for sure,
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chalk, what would you have yourmoney on? Well, I still call
it a creek, So I hopethey called it a creek. So yeah,
they didn't really, I guess Ididn't think about that. Obviously,
it's not good just to drink straightout of the creek, but you gotta
do what you gotta do, right, Yeah, they did also boil water
in the camp, but if youwere out in the field training, you
would drink it out of a canteen, and so you would you would definitely
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want that alcohol in there at atleast somewhat purify it. I gotcha.
So it's not to get a littlebit of a kick, if you know
what I mean, it's to sterilizethe crik water or lakewater or whatever the
heck they were doing ease. Okay, does that actually work? Well?
It did somewhat. It's actually whyif people drink so much beer back in
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the day, because beer was easierto drink once it had a little bit
of fermentation. They would make what'scalled small beers and it would have like
one ounce or two or one percentor two percent alcohol, and that would
be enough to kill off the bacteriaand make it so you didn't get dehydrated
and hung over. So you meanto bring small beers back. I agree.
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Small beer is actually something that theywould make in each household. Like
you didn't have necessarily be a brewer, have like a brewery to make small
beer. You just kind of didit in like a bowl in your house
or a jog or something like that. Wow. Yeah. It was definitely
a part that was very common inday to day life, so they really
knew how to do it. Didthey get this from this? Like where
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did they get this from? Justlike a tradition that was practiced around the
world or yeah, pretty much itwas practiced everywhere at the time. Because
it was no it was a knownthing. They didn't know. Like I
said, they didn't have the scienceof the bacteria, but they knew that
this would you know, you getthe ships if you just drink it shraight
out of the creek, is whatyou're saying. Yeah, yeah, sore.
On those lines, they also,well they didn't necessarily know about the
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bacteria. They didn't know that theyneeded to preserve it, right, They
had to take action to make sureeither food or drink would go bad.
So that's why they would like pickleor brine like meats, and like casks
and jars and things like that.It would put like a lost and salt
water to preserve the meat longer,and then they probably just like, well,
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let's preserve the water longer. Sothey didn't have whatever the you know,
whatever it is that's causing it togo bad. The day to day
of the soldiers were almost entirely takenup with drills regarding musket and banonet practice,
as well as building forts and digginglatrines. Latrines at the time were
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actually called vaults. I actually don'tknow why, but it changed over the
years, but vaults is what theywere called. And the vault was basically
a hole that they dug out witha slit over the top that they put
on there with wood and that wouldact as their latrine vault. Interesting,
so you said banet right when theyfirst started, they didn't. This was
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not like a common American practice,right, This was something that was adapted.
Yes, when they originally they didnot have. And shortly after the
Battle of Boston, the band hasbecame a band at practice, and have
you know, there was more widespread. They definitely knew that they needed them
after Bunker Hill, and they justflat out produced them to get them in
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time. A day of drilling wouldlast eight hours solid, regardless of weather.
You didn't have time to eat duringthat time. You would just basically
be drilling the entire time. Atnight is when you would break again for
food. Every group of men wasan eight men squad that they call a
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mess. You all cooked together.Everyone worked together to make their meals,
and that's why they would a lotof times would take flour because then they
can make a bigger meal with apound and a half of flour as opposed
to a pound of bread. Sosomebody would be in charge of making the
cakes while someone cooked all the meat. I said earlier the thing the campfire
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cakes was another word for but thepancakes that they made was really popular,
and like Jack brought up, ifyou were lucky, someone bought some spices
to add to all this. Otherwiseyou had a very land meal compared to
what we know today. Obviously.The other thing they loved doing at night
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is they played games. And Ifound this really interesting researching this, I
was like, what kind of gameswere popular then? So there were two
that were the most popular in camp. Can we guess these real quick before?
Please? I'm gonna say. I'mgonna guess first, Hide and Seek
and Duc Duck Goose. That's exactlywhat I was gonna say. No,
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I was gonna say something like diceor something. I don't know. Well,
the two games was a dice game. It's called Hazard and it was
basically an early form of craps,but strangely more difficult than craps. I
don't know how to play craps,and they're time. I try to read
how to play it, I geta headache. Apparently hazard is a more
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complicated form of that, as Presidentcalled it vaults. You know, they
would have played duck dout Goose.They could have also had some of their
training and yeah, like hiding andfrom the enemy and shutting around. I
guess, And yeah, there's astrategy to duck Doug Goose. There is.
You know, it's a mental andphysical aspect, so it's a psychological
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game more than anything. So theyplayed craps and what was the other one?
The other one was a game calledwhist uh spelled w h I s
T. If you have played Yuker, ever, it's essentially Uker, a
trick taking curve game. Uh.The only major difference between Whist and Uker
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is to use every card in thedeck, as opposed to just the was
it nine through ace in U useall of them and whist also you have
a hand of thirteen. We're gonnaskip over the fact that your family used
to play so much. You createand I and I never once learned how
to play that. Luckily who weplayed you multiple times a night. Actually,
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I think our one of our brotherswas in the You know how some
schools have like a chess team.He was a part of like a Yuker
team. I think he made thatup, honestly, he may have.
He's only this one, but Inever followed up. It is a big
thing in your It is a bigthing, and I just still had the
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tension span to play cards at all. That's why I said that. But
Uker is a big thing. Soyeah, I'm sure you let read that,
Luke, and you get a littlehard point and feeling that. I
mean, it's a fantastic card.Yeah, it's kind of like you know
Rummy. You know if you everplayed Jen Rummy, right, I like
that. I've only heard well,the problem that those games the thing is,
the thing is as you thought,it was actually called Lucre when you
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first started playing it. So thatthat's why you liked it so much?
Yeah? Absolutely, why So dayto day life in the camp was kept
under control with really strict punishments.Actually to a point that I wanted to
do this whole episode based on oneof these punishments. But anyway, So
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like small infractions such as like shirkingyour daily duty and chores, you were
punished with a caning in front ofeverybody, in front of everybody. Yeah,
is this like something that George Washingtonbrought to the table. He was
a fan of keeping morale or keepingpeople in check. Strict check. All
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right, yeah, keep me goingto check with with punishments. But larger
infractions would end a public execution.Things just got okay. So like,
gott to give you an example,like, because a cane is pretty bad,
what would be a large Like whatwould you have to do to make
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that large category? I'm glad youasked, because this is the reason why
I brought this all up. Soif you did not use a vault when
you defecated, I believe, ornot straight to execution, Like what would
you do? Until alternative that ifyou just defecated on the ground, and
what if you went to the woods, it would if they caught you,
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it'd be execution. So the otherquestion is, you know, does a
bear do that in the woods?Well, a colonial soldier does. We've
got standards. You're gonna shit inthis hole? It's basically yes, I
read that. I was like whatBut then I thought about it, and
there's a reason behind it, andit Lets prevent disease and sickness anything and
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get it into the ground water orthe river water. Because of all the
soldiers that died during the war,only ten percent died from battle. The
rest died from disease, sickness,and infection. And definitely believable for that
crazy right, this, this iswhat we'll get you killed. But that's
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what they did. So there's documentedcases of this happening. Yeah, I
I they did. Yeah you thinkJohn Brown would have defecated in on the
ground and very dressiful. I'm surehe would have. Yeah, he would.
Well, he would have gone awaywith it though. I mean,
he's John Brown man. That sookay, So let me get let let
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me dive deeper to this vault.Yeah, a terrible place. Yeah,
so how did you Okay, So, if you're defecating in a vault,
which sounds terrible, which is ahole in the ground, basically it's covered
up. So are they going downinto the vault to defecate? Are they
defecating down like into it through anopening? Yeah? So what they do
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is they dig out a big cavernishthing and then they put h wood planks
across with slits in them, andthen you defecate, yeah, and up
through that. So it's like amodern day porter potty. Yeah. So
nobody went down inside of the vault, no, because they would just bury
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it after it got too full,and you build another volt, dig another
volt, gotcha. So when yousaid that earlier, I thought they were
like going to use this for likefighting. I guess they're fighting something,
but it's not war, so thatthey're okay. I see how you did
that there. I thought, Iwonder, like, whose job is it
to maintain the vault the vault tomake those important decisions on when to bury
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the vault to monitor I believe whatI've read that was kind of like a
camp shared duty. Uh Basically,uh, if you saw that it was
full, you, you and yourmess of guys would would uh cover it
and then start digging the next one. You're on vault duty to night boys.
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So it's kind of like, youknow, when the trashities be taken
out and there was stacks up asmuch as they can to avoid taking you
know, want to take it out. I would be concerned, like that
moment when we cover up the previousvault and we don't have another one,
and like what if you got togo? You know, you're how many
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voters they have ahead of time?Dig that vault fast because your life is
on the line. I believe theydug out several at a time, so
really really using several of the time, or it's only one. This is
a lot of questions they use thatthey they would dig a few, so
I would have assumed that they havea few. So maybe like the group
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that you're mentioning had their own volt. I don't believe it was just that
few amount of people, but it'sprobably one for like fifty or so people
public restrooms. Yeah, I mightdig my own volt. That was daily
life in a camp for a soldier, but they weren't always in a camp,
and when they were on the march, they had to take everything that
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they needed with them obviously, Sowhen you were on the march for a
day, which would be about eighthours every day, you'd be carrying about
forty five pounds of gear that wouldbe your rifle, your bullets and powder,
rations, mess kit, canteen,blankets and stuff like that on your
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back and it's a very uncomfortable,you know, bulky and knapsack that you
would have, and it would,uh, you know, be up just
a kind of a horrible situation marchingthat long. And then on top of
all that, the food that youhad while you were marching was even less
appealing than what you had in camp. Instead of bread, you would have
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hard tack, which is a drycracker kind of thing, like I don't
know if you've ever seen it,but it is so hard that you could
actually break your teeth. What theywould do is they would put that into
their canteens. Let's soak up thewater so they could kind of like slurp
it down and drink it over time, or they would boil it at night,
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you know, like a make aa porridge out of it. The
other thing they would get is,say, you know, the fresh beef
was either dried beef or pemmican,which is dried beef as stored inside of
fat. Yeah, let's go backto the million dollar question of the defecating
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because there are a lot of peoplelisten to there are several I'm surprised the
number of people who listened to thispodcast, and I feel like I got
to do justice, and feel freeto contact me if you are just as
curious as I am. What werethe rules of defecating on the go?
We're able to find that in yourhours and hours hundred jars research of defication.
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So they would do it dig akind of a quick short fault,
like it would be like smaller,not as deep, so that they don't
have to just be at the endof the day or beginning of the day.
They would dig out a quick trenchand you would use that and then
bear it. They took bathroom breaks. Yeah, what happens if you,
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you know, you ate some baddry beef and whatever. That other thing
you said was can I remember now? And you really had to go.
You just got to hold it in. So there was a lot of people
who I believe you had read afew times of people who had to break
away and sneak away and dig ahole and do it themselves real fast,
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and they had to give back inline before anyone noticed. But these were
just like passing mentions. Though Idon't know how often it happened, I'm
sure it happened pretty often, butyeah, basically you would just try to
speak away while your your lieutenant wasn'tlooking and then dig a hole and go,
Man, this sounds terrible. Sothey didn't carrying shovels or they I
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mean everybody did have their shovel orsomething like a lot of times you would
you would have some sort of entrenchingtool. It would be like some sort
of a little shovel sounds like anoisy thing to do to well, you
got you remember, you got awhole comforty guys with like frying pans on
their back walking making clan noises.You probably won't get hurt. This is
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uh, it's a matter of lifeor death. I think Jock said it
best. Yeah. Yeah, andI would Uh, I would be like
I would cover for people. I'dbe like, oh, yeah, he
definitely he definitely dug a hole.He got he got, he'd definitely small.
I'm diging a hole. I watchedhim the whole time. You'd have
to look out for each other.Yeah, you would have to be a
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really kind of horrible person to justlike turn someone in. Yeah, can
you imagine that Benedict Artif would havedefinitely trained somebody in bitty dick. Uh,
I'm not gonna lie ever since youbrought up this. I haven't heard
anything else. I just keep thinkingabout how it is. It is,
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but I get it. It's amatter of personal hygiene, which is important,
but man, like this is likethese like these are stricter rules than
like just going hunting in the woods. Yeah. Yeah, And it's just
actually, like I said it,while I was like, oh, this
is the episode we're doing this week, Well, I talk about this because
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I found out this fact. Jock. You're smiling really, big guy,
What it's going through your mind?You know, other than the audio and
the audio in secretes but other thanthat. Yeah, I'm just I'm just
I'm just thinking about really glad wehave indoor plumbing. I just like I've
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gotta wonder how much because like Igotta wonder how much this strell is George
Washington, like he's gotta come in, he's gotta turn things around, he's
gotta prioritize the fecal manner of whichwe're well, what if it was what
if it was like just terrible?What if they were just like rampant and
like what are you guys doing atleast like a hole? Yeah? Yeah,
like what was happening before where theyhad to like make a role where
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I will I will kill you ifyou keep doing this, You're done.
Like what were these guys doing theshipping? I'll over each other like this
is extreme. Franklin was. Iwas heavily involved with George Washington's reforms how
camps were around, and Ben Franklinwas kind of like an early pioneer in
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terms of hygiene and stuff like that. So he never mind, Yeah that's
what they say on the office.It's like something like that's a great topic
or something like that. But yeah, it's definitely a He was definitely influence
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Washington to, you know, makesure that they were strict on these things.
And then I'm sure a lot ofthis Hall came from Washington when he
took over. You think he saidin like progress reports back on to Ben
Franklin on the cleanliness of the waysconducting this, I assume. So I
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actually I don't know if there's anythinglike that, but I would actually be
curious if if there was like somedocuments that specifically stated, like I don't
know, maybe how many people wereexecuted for this, you know, that
would be an interesting number to nowwhat do you say? Okay, so
if you do go as far toexecute somebody for this, what do you
say to the family. That's agood question. This guy. You did
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not understand how often this guy woulddefecate. We had we had to shoot
him, like how could you howcould this be accepted? Like it'd be
devastating. That's a good question.I would like to see the letter home
that was written explain why this personwas executed. Soldiers when they were drilling
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had to learn how to fire thebullets rapidly. They were the goal of
firing your musket wasn't so much tobe accurate. He was to fire a
lot of them. So the numberone thing they trained was how fast do
you reload and fire again? Andyou had to get it up to four
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bullets per minute. Some people whoare rapid fire like specialists, they get
up to five or so per mintentand that was considered to be amazing.
Uh. It's interesting now that kindof fire rate would be absurdly slow,
but for at the time that waspretty good, like four per minutent.
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It's crazy. This is something thatthe British was known to be excellent at
fire Raider, yes, I believethey were at the time, were the
fastest of reloading and firing again.And that's why they were so great at
winning battles because they could break theenemy lines quickly with just a volley after
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volley of musket balls. For thoseof you listening, I hope you leave
these clicking sounds that it's also yes, Jack is investigating something. Yes,
my keyword is really really loud.You look at the world rankings of muzzleoader
reloading or of the British. TheBritish musket uh firing rate was three to
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four permitted. So so they're tryingto get him up to British standard basically
British or slightly better. Yeah.So in the day to day camp life,
thing that is not as talked aboutas much is if you had a
family and they lived in the area, you were allowed to have them live
with you in camp, and wiveswere given a half ration half daily ration,
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and kids were getting a quarter dailyration. The wives could earn another
half ration by doing work in thecamp as like laundresses or cooks and so
on. So this was that alot of people liked a lot because they
could have their family near them atfirst. Anyway, usually though you would
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march away and you wouldn't have themanymore. I wonder if this is a
I don't want to hold this upforever, but I know it varies greatly.
But how long would they typically stayat a camp, do you think?
So? That would obviously depend onwhether or not they were planning on
camp painting or attacking somewhere. Sometimes, like during the winter, they would
hold up almost the entire winter inthat camp. Otherwise they would march after
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a couple of weeks. And obviouslycertain areas where they were under siege,
they were there for a while.You got anything else there, I'll just
keep ASKINGO. I have a lotof questions, so I'll let you do
what you're doing. So there isone other thing. It has to do
with the women in the camp.Washington was strict about another thing. He
made sure that there were no prostitutesallowed anywhere near the camp. If you
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broke this law, you would havea severe beating. I mean, compared
to those other punishments. I guessthat's not so bad. Wow, I
don't know what ilse to say.It was not as a baud as shitting
on the ground. Yeah, youdidn't get executed. I guess it was
still fairly strict. Yeah, everybody, that's a lot of people to get
beat take a beating. Yeah.Like I said, it was also mostly
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done. And the name of controllinginfections and disease it was, you know,
something they had to curtail. Theydidn't want people coming in that they
didn't know. On top of that, they didn't want any sexually transmitted diseases
to have in the camps. Allthese things would have cut the ability of
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the war machine to be able tofight. At this point, there was
probably about twelve thousand Colonial army.It never got bigger than seventeen thousand.
A total one hundred and seventy thousanddifferent people had fought in the army throughout
the entire war, but it nevergot bigger than about seventeen thousand at any
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point. And so like, ifyou lose like ten percent to do illness,
that would totally wreck your ability tofight. Is it as a question,
tim what else do you got?That's about all I have. I
would like to get a little bitof an update on Abraham Whipple if I
would like to hear about, Well, we didn't really go through further in
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the timeline. I suppose I couldsay in the Revolutionary War were on the
topic of food. I gotta saysWifle was a wild man. We already
know that, but uh he So, just like generically speaking, navy,
I guess the Continental Navy during theRevolutionary War would be fed very similar to
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most other navies, which is likerations of meat and what they call ship's
biscuit, which was basically hard attack. I'm not really sure what the difference
between hart attack and ship biscuits,other than to help dry the bread.
They would leave it out in theopen so that like the salty air would
dry it out even more. Butthey would come up with dishes that they'd
come up with names for the dishes, and some people believe that they're silly
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sounding just because they wanted to havesome fun with it. So some recipes
will be called lobscouse and dandy funk. I think dandy funk sounds like a
very modern like joking name, butapparently they would they used that, and
it was basically just both of thesewere kind of like just variations of breaking
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up the ship biscuit and putting somemeat and water and boiling it. But
they're a little bit different. Butfor the most parts of the same,
they just kind of came with afunny name. So it seems like they
were having a little bit more funon the boats that they were in the
barracks is or wherever. They're justsetting setting sail and line ships on fires
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and having all sorts a good time. Apparently that's a good update. I'll
whipple though, question time, right, Yeah, it's question yeah, okay,
So this is more of a uh, dark sort of question, I
guess. So obviously we talked aboutdeath, and that would definitely happen as
they went along these marches to thesedifferent camps and just as time passed by,
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how would they handle a death ofsomebody, like, ritually speaking,
do we know what they would do? So they would usually do a burial.
If they were near a town,you would be buried in the cemetery
of that town. And you know, this was you know, in the
Middle Colonies, so a lot alot of times they were near some sort
of village. But if they weren't, they would actually dig like a camp
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graveyard, which would happen occasionally.There's definitely people who were buried out in
the woods when they died on amarch there. I've seen some journals mentioned
that, so it was it wasmore of a matter of where location.
If you were, like I said, if you had a cemetery nearby within
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days walking distance, you would probablytake them there. Yeah, you know
what, you know this we talkedabout the preventative stuff they did, but
this still happened, that still occurred, still had disease. Winter was a
particularly really brutal time. Going backto what you'd said earlier, So they're
kind of supplying their own clothes andall that. I mean, you go
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into and there are places they getreally freaking cold, so they're they're still
not supplied clothing really, no,no, no, no clothing was supplied.
In fact, one man wrote inhis journal that during when in Valley,
when they were hold up in ValleyForge, his socks had all been
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like rotten and torn away, andso he had no socks inside his shoes.
What he was you know, Sowent out there and not cold and
that was one of the coldest winterson record at the time. And so
yeah, dra all this, ifyou didn't have the money for clothes saved
up, you could seriously freeze thatand a lot of people did. Yeah,
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uh terrible, So okay, soI want to pivot a little bit
here. This had to have abig impact because they're going across the country.
They're going in these communities had tohave a like First of all,
just imagine like a shit ton ofsoldiers setting up camp near your house,
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near your city. It had tohave an economic impact as well, because
I'm sure if you needed supplies andstuff like that, you'd have to get
it at these certain I'm just gonnasay cities. I don't know a better
way to phrase it. But therehad to be an impact on the places
they're going to. Yes, itdid have an economic impact. It would
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be like a caravan of these guyscoming in and they would just buy up
all the food or that they wantedextra or clothing. So some towns really
enjoyed this because they had a chanceto sell some of their excess stuff.
Some places hated it because this wasgoing to possibly take away from the townsfolk
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who needed stuff, so they wouldraise the prices when these soldiers were incoming.
So it really was a dependent onthe area. Again, but it
could either be a welcome site ora very unwelcome site. They soldiers marching
man. Another thing is like tothink about is this wasn't a whole lot
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different over the course of history,like before this point or wherever, like
armies would be like moving around evenif you hear or read about like old
like ancient Roman military forces like movingfrom city to city or preparing for something
or you know, a march orsomething like that, and they would then
arrive in town they would do verymuch the same thing. They would buy
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a bunch of animals, livestocks thatthey put back at camp. They would
buy, you know, any amountof necessities like bowls and cups and clothing
and things like that. So asfar as like moving military that would have
like money to spend. This wasthis was not unheard of. Butter how
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they like got you the money too, would around like if you're on the
move her, you gotta get thesefunds to buy things, you know.
So they didn't always get the money. That wasn't it you. They would
always be like give you basically Iowe you, and you would just have
to accept that and then you wouldhave to hope that later on they would
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catch you up. And you reallydidn't have too much of a choice because
if they didn't, if you left, you'll be a wall, it'll be
executed. Excima, do what yougotta do. I guess keep people there.
What are happened to? People actuallywould just run away a lot.
Dessert show is a big thing throughoutthe entire Revolutionary War on both sides technically,
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but it definitely happened a lot withthe yeah, the colonial army,
and like you know, there wasa lot of backcountry that people could just
escape to. And I the lastquestion I have. We talked about the
illnesses and all that. Do theyhave a lot of trade medical personnel that
were participating in these camps or onthe move or you always had uh what
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would be the equivalent of a doctorat the time on hand at least one.
They did what they could. Theyinoculation was a known practice for smallpox,
but it was not a socially acceptedpractice, and so they did usually
practice inoculation in the camp, eventhough they really should have because a lot
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of people die just from small pox. You explain what that is. The
way they did it. You wouldtake a bit of the flesh of the
person a person who had smallpox.You would take it from one of the
postules on their body, and thenyou would slip it into the body of
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a person who does not have itby cutting it into their arm and then
slipping it up in there with likea stick, passe. That would give
you a small dose of the virus, which then your biby would build antibodies.
It did work. It didn't workone hundred percent, but it did
work a lot. But it wasconsidered to be somewhat unclean of an action.
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Yea, So it was not practicedopenly and only certain people who did
it, and they were kind ofoutcast when they found out you did anoculation.
Yeah, this is something that's talkedabout a lot though. You hear
about them doing this, So it'skind of like a vaccine with a stick,
which very vaccine basically. Yeah.Yeah, because it didn't work sometimes,
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you know, obviously some people died, some people just got you know,
they just got it the fox,and even thof did survive would probably
be like permanently scarred. Wherever theinoculation or whatever you want to call it
took place. You can't crap inthe woods, but I'm going to stick
a stick in you with smallpox onit. Yeah, Yeah, it's very
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rough. Oh man, this hasbeen an interesting episode though, obviously focused.
I probably never focused on defecating somuch in any conversation that I've ever
had, But in all seriousness,it was like a way to restore discipline
in order. And I get Iguess you could say, try to take
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care of the bigger picture as awhole. I'm stretching here to figure out
how to phrase it. Yeah,that's not too far off. Like it
was. If you absolutely needed thisgroup of people to fight a specific way
in order to win, you woulddo almost anything, And so these strict
crackdowns on everyone's practices were the onlyway that they could think of to keep
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everyone in line and keep everyone alive. Is also kind of like the defining
difference between the Continental military and saysomething like the Green Mountain Boys, who
may have been effective, but theywere certainly not very organized, so it's
unlikely that they would be able tolike win the war. Did they definitely
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deliver that for you think? Ohsure, I'm sure that. Trying to
alast thought of what I was goingto say originally, I think it's okay
at it now. It's important tonote, though, like you said,
I don't know how long would gobetween battles or even fights. Like could
be like months and months right withoutany actual battles, so that half of
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the bat more than half of thebattle, was actually a survival. Yeah.
Actually because like the siege of Bostonbefore they actually attacked, after Washington
got there was another six months sucha long grind you literally had to survive
in between battles. Yeah. Also, what you could forage or a farm
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as an army, I guess justfor me, it's like you really would
have to make an extended effort tostay disciplined, stay together and all that,
because you're not just going to battleevery day. He really is such
a bigger process than that that that'swhy they focused on a lot of these
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things. Yeah, for sure.It's more than just like the adrenaline or
whatever that would get you through themoment of a fight, because you know
that's not gonna last for six monthsor three years or however long. You
know, each individual soldier was supposedto be there. They needed some kind
of constant that there was no likewalking away from this. They had to
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really become like a one, oneunit with one purpose kind of thing.
What a conversation, a lot ofups and downs, and it's just crazy
to think about how they had toconduct a business I guess back then,
and just how life was back then. We have our challenges that every day,
but man, it's just I can'timagine the amount of ground they would
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cover also while doing this. It'sjust it's remarkable. This has been a
really interesting conversation, and I'm gladthat you guys picked this as an episode.
I guess it's something that I reallyhadn't thought about before. I don't
know, I'm maybe speaking for myself, but yeah, this was a actually
a funner one for me to research. I really enjoyed it because, like
it's something that people don't talk aboutthat often, you know, like you
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see a million documentaries on the HistoryChannel about all the you know, Washington
and everyone else, but like whenI was out to the person who's actually
doing the fighting, they kind ofget glossed over. Yeah, And like
the guys running the show and foundingFathers Congress, how everyone afraid. So
they had probably really no clue whatthese what these men were going through with
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the families everybody, but they probablydidn't have any clue what it was like
on the front line or not tothe extent that it was. Yeah,
there's there's there's no way. Sothey're like, you are gonna fight with
dignity, We're gonna follow these standards, are gonna follow these rules, and
uh, they have no clue whatthe conditions were like. And I'm sure
how difficult it was to maintain order. Yeah, And I'm I mean,
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I'm sure that they probably heard somestories, but you know, like like
even today, it's difficult to evenreally apprehended even when you hear it.
So that's probably you know, asfar as the extent that they got.
They may have heard some stories,but that's about as much as it could
be. So to actually live thatis an entirely different thing. What a
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thought provoking conversation. I hope everybody'senjoyed it as much as I have.
Just yeah, I guess just takea few minutes to really think about that
and how this come into play.And for me, it's just survival.
Just surviving as long as you canwas so much of the effort outside of
the battle. It's crazy to thinkabout, you know, modern war.
(46:34):
Now you see these terrible things happeningtoday a couple of different countries. Just
it's the grind of survival internally andjust inside that group was insane, so
thought provoking conversation. You guys hada good job picking this one out.
We'll go ahead and segue now towardsthe end we've been going on here.
It's been a good conversation. Iappreciate it. Guys, if you want
(46:57):
to learn more, maybe Jack,we'll get some more information up on americastories
dot us about the episode. Maybehe can find a couple of pictures of
bolts. Yes, maybe he canfind a couple of pictures of the food
that I don't even remember because allI took away from this was the bleakness
and then the volts. Yeah,maybe we can share some of that information.
That'd be cool. Absolutely. Iactually have a letter that I feel
like we should share on the websitefrom a wife that wrote to her husband
(47:23):
that was at war while he wasaway. It was from the sane Well
it's a longer what letter, butwe should definitely share it on the website.
Yeah, and let us know yourpeople are listening. It's remarkable that
listening to the three guys just talkedus history. Let us know what you
think. Get a hold of us. Tell us if you love us,
tell us if you hate Jack hatehis microphone as much as the rest of
(47:46):
us do. Let us know alot we do puus. They put a
lot of work into researching this.I have to kind of fine tune the
audio then they edit it out.So it's always good to hear back when
you're putting the work in. Soagain, I appreciate it. Alod listening,
and I'll go ahead and turn itto Jock. Yes, if you
have questions, as far as youcan message us through our email, which
(48:08):
is that's one second, I'll saythat way you're looking, I've got another
challenge for Jack directly. Yea.Not only does he need to give me
episode title and show notes. Yeah, I think we need to get a
good Facebook page group going these AmericaStories try to get people's suggestions on stuff
(48:32):
they want to hear, kind oflike another community to discuss some of this
stuff. I think it's something tothink about. Yeah, I agree.
I agree. So, but inthe meantime, they can't use the Gmail
which is America Stories Pod at gmaildot com. And you know, while
we're getting that Facebook page all setup, or they can follow us on
(48:57):
Twitter or x whatever it's called nowat America Story Pod and Uh yeah,
you can find us wherever podcasts arefound and in our website. This is
the slowest, the slowest plug everthe websites Americastories dot us. Luke your
(49:17):
closing thoughts. Jock's done for thenight. You know, I just I
like reading about normal people in historyas so like I feel like more people
need to do that. You needto read more just just the big names,
more than the you know, thethe name brand Coca Cola of historical
(49:40):
figures. You need to read aboutsome of the lower little people and it
because it's definitely makes you feel moreconnected with the history. You got to
connect with the Fagos, you gotto connected with the the the Kroger.
The RC sounds really good. Okay, Yeah, I'm gonna take us home
(50:02):
here. I'm gonna send this homepackaging with what I always say until in
the meantime, keep being you,keep being great. You got the kind
of fix everybody knows. Brother aroundthere, food and going at your hair,
(50:23):
and you lock him finding the roadand you do that's wrong. People
got a bang, all the dangerousfind it inside. The the best two
of us take care what they want. Like I said to them, some
of us do the best we can. Some of us do the best we
(50:45):
can. Jeff Townsend, media seesyou. Good night. And the question
(51:16):
is do I stay here? Willyou be back? Are you going to
come back? Will you be back? Are you coming back?
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