The Capture of Fort Ticonderoga

Jeff, Luke and Jack discuss the Capture of Fort Ticonderoga.

Episode Transcript

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What's you gonna do? Brother?When Jeff Townsend media runs wild on you
America Stories? Alright, alright,alright, this is Jeff Townsend. You

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are get about to experience a newepisode of America Stories. Like I said,
I'm Jeff Townsend. Joining me aremy friends Luke and Jack. It's
been a few weeks since we recorded. Guys, how are you doing?
You guys have had pneumonia, birdflu, smallpox, ahead, a slip
disc and possibly COVID something. Itwas rough. Is it like a new

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COVID that like slips the disc inyour back? Or yes, it's the
extreme expversion that's what do they say? It's uh when it gets stronger and
stronger, like it gets uh,what's the word mutate? It's mutated.
It's mutated where it just takes outthe disk in your back. That is
dangerous. Anything that's terrible. Sooneactually someone brought it back from Hawaii.

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Actually that was actually what happened.It sucks. Well, that'll be the
slip disc COVID. Besides that,how are you guys doing? Are you
guys excited to talk some America Storiesto day? Oh? Yeah, we
have the website up and going,so I don't think Jack's touched it just
yet, but I have. Ihave looked at it. I have got
on there. I just haven't updatedthe the episodes. Yeah, well,

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the episode's luckily updated on their own. We just have to get the show
notes and all. That is allyou're talking about we're talking about. Yeah,
yeah, I'm gonna make some blogsand the posts. Yeah, it'll
be cool take So hopefully we cando that for some mixture content. Some
of the stuff we're talking about,we'll try to get up on the website.
So if you were more interested,you can, I don't know,
look into it in further detail,I guess, is what I'm saying.
What do you guys have in mindfor today? So we just got really

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into the beginning of the Revolutionary war, just really kicked off. There were
some locks broke, there were somejaws broke, there were some fires started.
I can't wait to hear what happensnext. There were some locks fixed
as well. That one lock,yep, that erased all of the terrible

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things that about the transpire yep.Some might argue. So, yeah,
so when we left off, thewar is officially begun. It's a shooting
war now, No longer a warof words. It was at this point
that the Continental Army realized that theyare kind of outgunned, well tremendously out
They needed more cannons, and theyall kind of knew that there was a

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fort in Quebec that had a largenumber of cannons and the British had barely
defended at this point. That wasFort Ticonderoga, and this would be like
the first, like night, firstmilitary engagement since the war has started.
They wanted to make this a quickand small excursion. They sent one man

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to go and raise a force,and that man, let's Ben Dick to
Arnold. Oh, big Ben,Big Ben Dick Arnold, Yeah, hear
more about him later. At thispoint he was given a hundred British pounds
and a small amount of gunpowder andtold to raise a force to go north
and take Techonderoga. At the sametime, Thomas Gage, the British military

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general in the area, knew thatthey needed us to secure Tychonderoga as well
right after the Battle of Flexton andConcord, and so he sent a letter
April nineteenth of seventeen seventy five.It would not arrive until over a month
later, and by that point thefort will have fallen. Benny dick Arnold

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just going back to him real quick, Benny dick Arnold, he was really
wanting to move up the renks,right, so he was probably pretty exciting.
This is actually a pretty big pointlater on of him trying, trying
and getting passed over over and overagain for to get up in the ranks
and society. So he when hemade his way north, he found out

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that there was another party already planningto take the fort, and this was
Ethan Allen and his militia called theGreen Mountain Boys from Vermont. They were
not part of the colonial war effort. Vermont actually wouldn't even sign the declaration
independence later on, they declared independenceon their own, separate from the other

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colonies later so what was in itfor them? What did they want?
Just the materials or just the materials? They also saw it as a way
of starting their own independence, andthey're wanting to break free from Britain as
well. They weren't wanting to joinnecessarily with everyone else, but they didn't
want to be under Britain's rule either, and so they actually become the Republic

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of Vermont in seventeen seventy seven,and it's a totally different country at this
point, which is kind of interestingbecause you think that everyone on this you
know, in this area would allbe together, but it really wasn't.
So he finds out that the EthanAllen is up there, and he doesn't
know exactly what he's going to do. So he rides so hard north to

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get there to try to you know, talk to Ethan Allen and the others.
That his horse actually dies when itarrives. How do you think he
heard that there was other people tryingto do this too. He got passed
around because Ethan Allen was kind ofa braggart. He liked to talk what
his plans were, and so youknow, while he's making his way north,

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he had heard that it had comedown south that you know, he
was heading that way to take thefort. Paul Revere probably heard it told
everybody. He probably did. There'sanother person who who had heard about it
just from carrying correspondences around, andso I wager that that person and several
others like him, we're probably passingthe infiration around. The person I'm speaking

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of. Luke's gonna bring up herein a minute has got a quite the
name. I'm excited. Actually Iwas. He was the regular, say
war spy John Brown, not notthe John Brown, just a John This
is a little ahead of John Brown'stime, right to be fair, Yeah,

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yeah, they were John Brown.But I'm glad that another one.
I'm king hero for sure in hisown way. I guess this John Brown
actually was. However, later onin the war is the man who actually
points out that Begarold's gonna betrayed thethe cause their fates are intertwined from the
beginning. Spoiler as fuar as Iexposed that later, but now you know,

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okay, move on, there's athere's a bit of a grace period
right on. After a certain periodof time, you can give value with
spoilers. But yeah, John Brownwas one of the first people to tell
everyone how many people were stationed thereand how many guns were there, and
so that was what made it appearto be uh something that the value at

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this point. They only detachment thatwas there was two officers and forty six
men, and most of them wereinvalids. They that was what they called
them. Their soldiers was limited duties. They had disability or illness and There
was also twenty five women and childrenat the fort, so it was like

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like even the British knew the namewas woefully unprepared and they needed to get
warm in there, but it did. It took too long to get the
word that there was even a wargoing on. Half they got most of
the country didn't even know there wasa war. At this point, Bennish
Garold got up there and he finallymet up with Ethan Allen. He spoke
with him and he said, Hey, I'm supposed to be here on behalf

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of the you know, Virginia andBoston and all the rest of the colonies
to take the fort. He knewthat Ethan Allen wanted to just mostly wanted
to take it, just to saythat he could take it, yeah,
And so he agreed to let himcome along, but he was not Bennis
Garold was not allowed to command asingle one of the soldiers, and there

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were one or one hundred of theGreen Mountain boys. Every time he tried
to tell them what to do,they basically threatened to kill Bennish Arnold,
so he had to just stay awayfor the rest of the soldiers, and
he was real ambitious. Guys I'msure that was kind of hard on him
to Yeah. He actually he didtalk out that at length in one of

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his biographies later. Yeah, Iimagine that you were pretty upset about something.
If you you read it, you'dwrite a whole book. It's like
the old ways of like the oldday's way of like just making like a
comment on instead of tweeting whole Twitteror something. You're saying, you'd write
a whole book or this guy takea long time, but you'll hear all

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about it. Yeah, And that'skind of how it was. Uh,
and so he when he got there, though, Oh, Ethan Allen's Green
Mountain guys, they should probably talkabout them a little bit. It was
essentially a private militia. It wasran entirely by his family, and so
it was him, his brothers andcousins and all of them. They ran

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this militia however they saw fit technicallywith their own standing army. It wasn't
a huge but they had total controlover it, and the people under him
were loyal to like a cult likedegree. Didn't it help the fact that
Ethan Allen was like six three orsix four when the average height was five

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six trace Adkins height. Yeah,he was an absolute uh you know,
massive man, and so everyone waslike, you know, respect to them
and saw him it's like this almostdemigod. So they got there and they
decided they were going to attack duringthe night. They also needed way more

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money than Arnold was given. Arlod's, like I said, was given one
hundred British pounds. He ended upspending a thousand of his own money on
top of that to finance everything.And he brings this up later, right
like this is like the like acompound effective things that happened to him.
Yes, yeah, there's one ofhis many grievances that he lists a series

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of letters to the American people.Was what they they're called after he had
betrayed the cause. Anyway, hedid have two captains underneath him. One
of them, though this is nota joke, what their names was John
Brown, the good name. Putthat on T shirt. He had two

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John Browns and and one that's incredible. So so John Brown was a green
boy or he was with a Benedictgarm. He was one of Arnold's men,
I mean men did that. Healready had a couple of guys with
him. The rest were all Ethan'sman, and there was a hundred of
them. Gang Green Boys. It'ssuch a name that doesn't roll off the
tongue. Green Mountain Boys. Yeah, where did that? Where do they

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they? There's a like green mountainsaround, Like is that a Vermont?
I don't I don't get it.Yeah, yeah, the Vermont has the
Green Mountains and they're just yeah ganggreen. Uh. In fact, the
Green Mountain Boys militia flag is stillthe flag of the nationally, the state
guard there and uh in in Vermont. So they decided to attack at night.

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They were having issues with the boats. They didn't have enough to get
across, and so of the hundred, they had eighty guys to make it
across that channel that they were sneakingacross. When it got up there,
there was one single guard awake andhis gun misfired when he saw them.

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Because of that, no alarm wasraised. He ran off immediately after misfiring
that gun. It was screaming oranything or no, he just left.
And because of that, they capturedevery single person in the fort while they
were asleep. Not a single personon either side was killed. Truly an

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amazing event that thanks to that guysmust get going off. Not a single
person died. Alan decided that hewanted to take the glory of it,
though, and he was the onethat rushed up to capture the officer on
duty there. He asked, so, well, who was it that he
was supposed to surrender to? Andthis is actually a little bit of when

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no one's know for sure, becausethis is all from Ethan Allen's biography,
which Ben and Charold did not backup in his biography. But he said
was that they were to surrender tothe name of the Great Jehovah and the
Continental Congress. And then he claimedthe guy came out with his pants off
and surrendered with this a sword.Well, you can't skip overs, you

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can't skip over something like that.Let's he was asleep, so he was
sleep with his pants you know.Was he wilding an actual order or is
there some slang talk you're doing rightnow? No, it's yeah, I'm
sabor, you know, he said, to be sure. So it was
just optional. It was like anyundergarments, honor. See, this is

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where there's this isn't like me jokingaround. There is some debate on what
he was wearing because Bendi Charland saidhe was there, and he said he
came out fully dressed and like hisofficers unifor him, but Ethan Ellen May
it seemed like he had nothing on. He was disheveled, and ye know,

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scared the thing. Allan was knownto be a little bit of stretching
the truth a lot, and hekind of made himself look more intimidate.
You know, he was a bigguy. He always made himself look indestructible,
and there was eyes and somebody beingnaked makes you look that much more
powerful, right, like, yeah, because it was it was considered to

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be, like, what's the workfor a cowardly thing to surrender naked?
What if he was sleeping naked?You, I guess you're suspected. You're
expected to put on your clothes beforeyou surrender in the hold on a minute,
damn pant, I want my pants? So uh. Afterwards, the

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Green Mountain Boys and everyone ransacked allthe storehouses of the fort for liquor and
food and began having a rowdy party. About that point, the rest of
Ethan Allen's men showed up, includingmore that weren't with him originally, so
a total of four hundred Green MountainBoys were having a giant drunken revelry at

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the fort, and Ben Dgarald gotreally concerned that they were going to start
destroying the guns and stuff, sohe decided to catalog everything that was in
the place, and he kept ongetting shooting them away from the guns.
One guy challenged him to a duel, but then didn't go through with it,

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and Ben Dgarald ended up kicking himand get him away from the guns
and stuff. It was crazy.He sent a word to the Massachusetts Congress
and asked for men to be setup to help him hold the place in
case the Green Mountain Boys decided totake it for them in Vermont basically may
so that him and Ethan Allen forthe point kept on writing terribly about each

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other. How long were they there? Like to send for help? Had
to take a little while, likecalm ground was his party happening? Oh,
it lasted a good few weeks,I believe, and did they had
canceled for some of it. Tellme there's some expiracy there too. Huh,
that's a long time there. Sothey just literally like set up shop

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there after they took over and partiedfor weeks. Yeah, And as at
this point, that you know,Arnold was, you know, trying to
keep everything and getting destroyed. Healso took over the we was called the
Enterprise, which was the largest shipin Lake Champlain that they had docked nearby,
and he began retrofitting it to behis like personal command vessel for when

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he assumed he would be taking overthe Green Mountain Boys. Eventually they dispersed
and left when all the alcohol wasgone. And that's literally why they they
left when they ran out of boost. So Connecticut and the rest of the
Continental Congress and everyone finally sent athousand men up to Ticonderoga, and they

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were underneath a colonel named Benjamin Hinman, and he came with papers saying that
he was the one to be incharge of the fort, not ben Nickcarnold's,
and that he would be under him. Nobody had ever told Arnold that
he wasn't going to be in charge. He was quite upset over this,
and finally he just was like,all right, I resign, I'm going

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back home, and so he did. He left his command and Hindman took
over. And he never got recompensefor his u money in the effort to
capture the fort, and he spenthis own money. Yeah, yeah,
thousand pounds and then that was quitethe sum. Back then he was given
a hundred just to do it.I mean, it's an outlandish amount to

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not be paid back and then toalso have your command stripped away. Eventually,
news that if Fort Tyke Controga fellreached England and Lord Dartmouth, who
was like there, you know,chief, like military guy. He didn't
have much to say. He justsaid it was very unfortunate, but the

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foe fell well, so he wasn'tsurprise, is what you're telling me.
This is just starts a part ofa long line of things that happened to
Ben Iccarnold. This slowly change howhe feels about everything. He gets screwed
over pretty consistently. And when Iwas reading about this, the story,

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the story, and then help someother stuff I had read here recently about
him, you don't really justify hisactions later, but you understand why he
made some choices he made later.And you know, had the war gone
a different way, you know,he would be like a hero, right
because he would have been the onethat kept the United States under British crew

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rule. Yeah, that's what hewanted to Yeah, it's interesting, ye
know about much like the start ofthe Revolutionary war itself, which was a
series of avoidable acts that caused awar. This was a series of avoidable
things that anyone at any point couldhave give him ben Cdonoald his due and

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he would have not eventually turned trader. Possibly we actually there are some more
interesting things, but been in general, it will come up later that might
also show some influences. It seemslike he definitely, I mean, I
know there was a lot of peoplethat wanted to like gain social power for
doing this seat I move up thetotal poll as one would say. He

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definitely seemed like that was the mostThat's how history writes him a lot of
the times that was most most importantto him, it was he was definitely
very important. Yeah, he's notthe only one, I'm sure, but
right, Yeah, And I wantedto kind of talk about one thing,
and we may have gone over.But when they first learned when they should

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attack the fort was because of somelike recon efforts from Captain Phelps. And
the way he got the information wasto be to dress as a peddler to
get access inside the fort, andhe asked he said he was looking for
a shade, and so they're like, so let's they just let him in.

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I mean forts for a kind ofuse for you know, in between
in travel and things like that.Anyways, but once he got inside,
he just kind of started asking questionsand started looking around, and he gathered
all the information just from being aside. I thought it was interesting that,
you know, it's almost like asas to me from looking back, it's
almost as as absurd as uh,you know, the the giant horse for

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Troy, you know, when theywere like, you know, invading or
whatever, or this one guy justwanted to shave. If your neighbor came
by and wanted to come in,or like not of your neighbor. Okay,
somebody didn't know was walk up toyour neighborhood and they wanted to come
in for a shave. What wouldyour response be, don't say go away?
Then I don't do that. There'sa couple warrants. If all he's

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about Captain Phelps with kat brush Showor well Jack you know, imagined he
got in there, he found out, you know, that they could take
it. One of the has heactually saw was that their gunpowder was wet,
and that was what led to thatmisfire that allowed her wanted to be
captured. But Phelps was a memberof a committee and this is one of
those committees that is the most explicitlynamed committee I have ever heard, and

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it was Committee of War for theExpedition against Taykonderoga and Crown Point. Oh
wow, pretty story. Uh Somy question, I have a question what
was next for the Green Again GreenGreen Mountain Boys after this? Well,
mostly from there they just went backto Vermont and were holding in Vermont throughout

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their time. So there's no otherlike stories of them just randomly going out
other places. No, not really, I mean, they just basically were
defending Vermont from that point out.Ethan Ala was near retirement age at this
point and so after that taking tyCondroga, that was like his last hurrah

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and he kind of wrote his booksafter that talking about how great he was
at taking the fort. And that'salso what he explicitly wrote out any contribution
that Benny Diculated Arnold had on thesiture. Yeah, they didn't really do
much for the rest of the war. They actually were completely disbanded in the
seventeen seventy nine, but they didcome back during the War of eighteen twelve

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and the Civil War. They actuallycame back again during the Vietnam War and
Afghanistan and Iraq War. Well there'sbasically just the Vermont National Guard now,
but the name kept coming back andthey keep being called the Green Mountain Boys.
But yeah, from this point andthen until War eighteen twelve, they

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actually don't see a whole lot moreaction. The Vermont Republic didn't see a
whole combat overall, I'd imagine notIt certainly had a reputation after this as
well. I'm sure how did thefounding fathers view how this whole situation played
out, how it was handled.For the most part, it was kind
of seen as just a means toan end, Like they knew they needed

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the guns, but it wasn't likethe war didn't one hundred percent hinge on
it. This was just like,well, we need these guns now,
let's try and get them. Whenin terms of like we all what were
they saying and in Congress no onewas really talking about too much. It
was just was just a military actiontaking place by a few people, and

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that's why he got so little moneyto go do it. In fact,
it was just kind of like hissnap decision, we need these guns,
let's go try and get them.If Ethan Allen not been trying to make
a name for himself to say,y'all talk big to people by taking this
fort, that he might have actuallynot be able to take it at all
because he didn't have time to raisean army. It kind of dislike goes

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to show you that it was freefor all at this point in time with
everything, Yeah, we have verymuch. Yeah, it's one of those
things that really different about this warbecause how spread out everyone is, how
slow communication is. Like I said, a lot of the country didn't realize
there wasn't war at this point,so he was kind of different and people

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were just trying to catch up quick. What do you think, Jacket Dick
Arnold, Well, I think Ifind more interesting about taking on the rogues.
It's still like one of those placesyou could go to and take a
look at, and yeah, itstill exists. Clicks on the keyboard,
are you like, oh pull fixtureslike kind of like it's got like a
star like pattern. It's near likethis near the water's edge area. It's

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a really interesting looking place and Ikind of want to go there. One
of these days and just kind oflook around and just see what see what
was would have been the essentially thebattle front of a place like that that
luckily lucky, you're gonna wear paintsand you die there, but you're gonna
shave shade. I will shave there. But you mentioned how historically significant that

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would be to just to go thereand just start shaving, because some guy
got a shave there and started thiscomment, this guy, we need you
know who this guy is. He'sa hero, Captain Noah Phelps, because
he was and you talked about this. They were doing a lot of the
kind of spy work really kicked offaround then. So that was his name,

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he said, Noah felt. Yeah, Captain Noah Phelps and then John
Brown were the two spies that doa lot of the work around there.
Yeah, and Captain the NFLPS wasa part of that committee, the explicitly
named committee explicitly the committee to getshaved at at check on. I think
my favorite part of this was sowell besides the John Brown's and that is

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how you kept saying at night,like what other like wouln't that be the
best time to do it? Likecan't really sneak up on the day,
right, I mean yeah, yeah, it wasn't well, it was considered
ungentible. I mean, okay,so it was really you don't Yeah,
you don't attack during the night,that's what. So you have to be
like sandwiches, tell them you're comingso they can, like you guys can
light up and do all your alltheir combat. So this is more like

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American renegade warfare here. Yeah,this was. This was you know,
breaking the lock and fixing it thenext day kind of fighting. They fixed
it all right, Oh this issuper cool, though, I guess I
didn't. I need to look upmore on the Green Mountain Boys. These
guys are intriguing to me. It'slike a bunch of wholigans, like like
a soccer team. Who they arethat's basically where they're like soccer who against

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I like saying to agree it's growingon. Just a lot of T shirts
and come out of these episodes.Yeah, it's like some Green Mountain Boys
looking like soccer who agains getting drunkwith no pants. I'm gonna assume there
are just no pants allowed at thisfour at all, So there's no there's
much debate of who actually wore pants. You know, it's weird that he
was such a topic of contention,right that, well or not this guy

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st of a bitch sacrifice himself withoutpants? He surrendered. Yeah, I
guess fire surrender. I got himthat. You have two people who hated
each other at this point talking aboutit, like, you know, one
guy said, no, he waswearing pants. Wasn't he wasn't pants less.
It's just funny that this was somethingthat they would argue about. Came

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out waging waving the white flag,and he wasn't waving out with his hands.
No. All jokes aside, thisreally does show the pattern of like
how like more modern warfare was becoming. I guess some of the spy work,
some of like the nighttime sneaking acrosson the ships, on the boats.
Excuse me, the spy works abig thing. That seemed like George

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Washington, a lot of those guysare really big into putting in a lot
of prep work and doing a lotof research where they just went out and
because like the Civil War, wereally just like pushed through Uliss Grant a
lot of the times there at theend, and there was a lot of
ups and downs at a lot ofdeaths. Sometimes it worked out, sometimes
it didn't. But we kind ofwe kind of wanted numbers, but here

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we didn't have numbers, so wehad to really be creative on our approach.
And also it's interesting too, likethis is early war, so you
know, this is the very beginningand they're already are traveling all the way
across country to fight a different apart. You know, they went from Boston
area way up to Quebec, Canadato take this fort. And it's a

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really kind of interesting of like howthis is already a pretty big space or
fighting over, but it's the firsttwo weeks of the war. Yeah,
more to come, for sure,you guys have anything else to contribute to
this, I mean, if not, we'll wrap it up. But this
is another interesting conversation on what itbecomes greater and greater. The majority of
the story of Fort Ta Conderoga fromthere, they just held it almost indefinitely

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the entire war. I don't believethere was ever a point where the British
I ever tried to take it back. Probably there was no alcohol left that
didn't help, Yeah, but sodon't I don't know. It makes you
wonder how valuable this place really was. It kind of seemed like the British
weren't that worried about it, justlike, yeah, well, even know,
we should get somebody there. WellI'm not surprised. Yeah, the
letter arrived nine days after they tookit. Yeah. I was just gonna

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say that it was like a inbetween like a supply type of fort where
they would drop off and move around. So it was kind of like not
super important. But at the sametime, you can see how that like
the supply chain kind of blocking thesupply line and stuff. Right, they
lost one of the forks. That'sslow some things down. I think,

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as we mentioned, the main thingwas and to get voked. So these
the Benny Dick Enterprise, so itwas kind of like the enterprise those.
It was kind of like just likea nice tactic to get some extra extra
slies. But yeah, it's awhole fort, you know, so there's
there's some benefits of that as well. But even though it was kind of

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an older fort. But yeah,that's kind of how these things tend to
start, is the kind of rampsup one thing. I'm sure this has
been another cool America story. I'mexcited about moving the needle further down the
story here, what do you guysthink this wars? This war is really
good going here? You said it'slike a couple of weeks in, so
man, we got a lot moreto go. The makes just to hear
more of the spy John getting intoaction. We're definitely going to get a

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John Brown T shirt at Jeff tShirts dot com. I'll work on that
as we get off. I don'tthink at this point in time there's anything.
We're all just making a T shirt, says John Brown. I think
after the stories we've shared three differentindividuals, I think it's needed. Yeah.
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I send us out here with myIndian phrase, with John Brown's guidance,
you can do anything that's right.You heard of it, John Brown's guidance.

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You could do anything with or withoutpants. Until next time. I'm
Jeff Pounce with her, Luke andJack. Keep being you and keep being
great. Got the kind of faceeverybody knows. Run around the fluent school
going to your dam and you likeyou did you do? It's wrong?

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People got a bank bull, thedangers side inside to the best of us.
Take you what they all like yousaid. Some of us do the
best weekend. Some of us doJeff Townsend Media, Seegia good night.

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And the question is do I stayhere? Will you be back? Are
you gonna come back? Will yoube back? Are you coming back