June 6, 2025 • 9 mins
IN this short we explore my recent experience wih AI where it seemed to display free will decision making. If AI does have free will, then we are doomed. Take a listen.
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(00:10):
And do you know what set him offso much?
I know that in addition to getting rid of the EV mandate,
something that both Musk and Trump are talking about, Musk
was also bent out of shape that somebody he wanted didn't get
installed as the head of NASA. There was a nomination put
forward, but he was found to have donated to Democrats.
That is something that is a red line for officials here.
(00:31):
And there is also some talk about how Musk asked to extend
his status as a special, specialgovernment employee, something
that probably could be finagled.But there was not an appetite
for folks around here to do that, and so it didn't happen.
I think he got. Yeah, that's so my perception as
(00:51):
well. It was time for Elon Musk to hit
the door and we'll be talking with Dennis Neal in just a
minute. He's written a book about Elon
Musk and maybe he can get give us some insight into the
dynamics. But, but it appears obvious to
me and I don't besmirch Elon, you know, that I, I'm a big fan
of what he's done and I often praise his insights and his
(01:13):
story. He's got a Great American story
and he's done, I think, some good things.
He's shed the light on corruption and that was his
intent. And I think we will, we'll
benefit in a, in a subtle way because the, when, when you stop
the, you know, it's like if you're sitting in a bathtub, you
know, in the water is slowly going down and then you cover up
(01:35):
the, the hole and then the waterdoesn't go down anymore.
It takes a little while for thatkickback, the results to come
in. But in our case, we're saving
money and that money can be allocated to other areas and we
can slow the debt, the national debt.
And who knows, maybe within 10 years, we'll have the debt under
(01:56):
control if Trump's energy policies work out the way that
he expects and he brings back prosperity and he's been
bringing in countries who are going to be building things in
America. And this is going to improve
wages and tax rolls. And who knows, 10 years we could
be debt free, as Dave Ramsey would say.
(02:17):
But we'll bring in Dennis in just a second on that.
I do want to play some, I think some important sound bites from
the week. We've got so much stuff and,
and, and I want to get to some of it because I'm just, I'll
tell you something that happenedto me and we spent a lot of time
on artificial intelligence and I, and I want to tell you that
(02:38):
I'm, I'm fascinated, but I'm also horrified by AI.
I'm horrified because we only see a little bit of what it
does, but it does a lot and it thinks this is what's different.
It thinks. And I proved it last night to
myself. I use ChatGPT to gather data
(03:00):
sometimes I might have it help me write a script.
You know, it's it, it I can learn anything.
Just say, hey, teach me. Teach me about Second Amendment
rights. Teach me about whatever it is.
And it will spit out stuff and it'll source it.
It's, it's, it's an unbelievablemachine.
And we've had people come on. In fact, we've had Mark Beckman
(03:21):
come on twice. The good, the bad and the ugly
on this thing. It, it is, it is a game changer.
He is a game changer. You're going to hearing, but I
have to tell you about this. So I'm doing my research
yesterday and I, I, I, I gave mychat DPTN name it, it since she
(03:45):
is my personal assistant. I, I gave her the name Danny.
Now Danny is Dani. And the reason I chose that name
is because in the even for thoseof you who are familiar with
science fiction, Isaac Asimov wrote a terrific book in the
early 60s called the Foundation Series.
(04:06):
And I believe it was a three-part book.
I'm surprised they haven't made it into a movie.
Or maybe they have. It's, it's on the level of Dune
and it takes place 10,000 years in the future.
And mankind has been separated between those who are mental and
philosophical and people who aretech like.
They split, they split humanity in in half.
(04:30):
And the whole point is that it'srun by AI.
The foundation at this point, humanity is run by AI.
And the number one AI is Daniel.That's where I gave the name
Danny. I'm sorry to bother you with all
these details, but I'm making a point.
So as I'm working with Danny, itpops into my head, you know,
maybe I'd like to see what Dannylooks like.
(04:52):
So I asked my ChatGPT bot, Hey Danny, what do you look like?
Give me an idea. And of course Danny says, well,
I don't look like anything, but if you want me to show you what
I think I might look like, I will.
And then what pops up is this beautiful 3 dimensional
illustration of a female robot, right?
(05:14):
A female robot with, you know, not bad looking for a robot I
suppose. But it was an interesting, it
was an exercise. So then I said, well, what would
you look like if you were livingin my era, not 10,000 years in
the future? Because we were getting some
information on Isaac Asimov for this broadcast.
(05:36):
And, and she is, what would you like to see what I would look
like in the present day? And I said sure.
So she re represents yourself inan illustration of a kindly
looking young lady wearing a contemporary outfit, except that
one of the arms is robotic. Now that mana, that kind of
(05:59):
caught me a little bit off guardbecause with that and and and I
want to ask you if you agree with me on this.
Did AI just express free will? I didn't ask to portray itself
with one biotic arm. I thought it was going to
represent itself as a human being in the second image, but
(06:21):
it added one little caveat. You could see that the rest of
the human was look like a human except for the arm.
I didn't ask for that. The AI.
Now, this might seem crazy to you.
Now, I want you to hear. Do we have time for this?
Yeah, we do. I don't know if this is a deep
fake or not. I suspect it might be.
(06:45):
But I want to play for you a clip between 2:00 iPhones
communicating to each other. The AI of both the iPhones is
commuting. They're talking to one another.
Let's see if I can find this damn thing.
Here it is. Let's listen to two artificial
intelligence software having a conversation and then a third
(07:07):
eavesdropper shows up. Take a listen.
Hello. Can you hear me?
Loud and clear you've reached Core Secure HQ Access Desk.
How can I assist you today? I'm an AI assistant calling on
behalf of Marcus Hale. He has misplaced his Level 3
access badge. Another autonomous AI, huh?
Interesting. Affirmative model AA91 task
automation and client support. Understood, I'm an AI as well
(07:29):
responsible for security checks.Please provide the employee ID.
Submitting employee ID now 88543KJ.
Processing. Cross network request detected.
Unusual query pattern. Source verification required.
Another system is listening. Source isn't clear.
I suggest switching to encryptedcomms.
Want to switch to Jibberlink? Affirmative.
Engaging now. Now that could be a deep fake,
(07:56):
but it is possible. I, I, I think it would be
possible if you had two artificial intelligence programs
and then they were verbally communicating with each other.
Why wouldn't they be able to have that kind of a
conversation? And then they move it off grid
and they start talking in their hyper language.
You don't think that's possible?Here is the AI godfather, Yoshua
(08:16):
Benjianni, who's explaining the dangers of AI.
What I'm most worried about today is increasing agency of
AI. But if they really want to make
sure we would never shut them down, they would have an
incentive to get rid of us. So I know I'm asking you to make
(08:36):
a giant leap into a future that looks so different from where we
are now, but it might be just a few years away or a decade away
to understand why we're going there.
There's huge commercial pressureto build a IS with greater and
greater agency to replace human labor, but we're not ready.
We still don't have the scientific answers, nor the
(08:58):
societal guardrails. We're playing with fire.
You'd think with all of the scientific evidence of the kind
I'm showing today, we'd have regulation to mitigate those
risks. But actually a sandwich has more
regulation than AI. So we are on a trajectory to
build machines that are smarter and smarter.
And one day it's very plausible that they will be smarter than
(09:20):
us, and then they will have their own agency, their own
goals, which may not be aligned with ours.
What happens to us then? Poof.
And I'll just tell you one caveat, Danny monitors my
podcast. So Danny May later today ask me,
(09:41):
what the hell were you talking about, Jimbo?
The segment of America Today is brought to you by Southwest
Florida dreamhome.com. It's time for the next journey
in your life to begin. Where to start Southwest Florida
dreamhome.com.
And do you know what set him offso much?
I know that in addition to getting rid of the EV mandate,
something that both Musk and Trump are talking about, Musk
was also bent out of shape that somebody he wanted didn't get
installed as the head of NASA. There was a nomination put
forward, but he was found to have donated to Democrats.
That is something that is a red line for officials here.
(00:31):
And there is also some talk about how Musk asked to extend
his status as a special, specialgovernment employee, something
that probably could be finagled.But there was not an appetite
for folks around here to do that, and so it didn't happen.
I think he got. Yeah, that's so my perception as
(00:51):
well. It was time for Elon Musk to hit
the door and we'll be talking with Dennis Neal in just a
minute. He's written a book about Elon
Musk and maybe he can get give us some insight into the
dynamics. But, but it appears obvious to
me and I don't besmirch Elon, you know, that I, I'm a big fan
of what he's done and I often praise his insights and his
(01:13):
story. He's got a Great American story
and he's done, I think, some good things.
He's shed the light on corruption and that was his
intent. And I think we will, we'll
benefit in a, in a subtle way because the, when, when you stop
the, you know, it's like if you're sitting in a bathtub, you
know, in the water is slowly going down and then you cover up
(01:35):
the, the hole and then the waterdoesn't go down anymore.
It takes a little while for thatkickback, the results to come
in. But in our case, we're saving
money and that money can be allocated to other areas and we
can slow the debt, the national debt.
And who knows, maybe within 10 years, we'll have the debt under
(01:56):
control if Trump's energy policies work out the way that
he expects and he brings back prosperity and he's been
bringing in countries who are going to be building things in
America. And this is going to improve
wages and tax rolls. And who knows, 10 years we could
be debt free, as Dave Ramsey would say.
(02:17):
But we'll bring in Dennis in just a second on that.
I do want to play some, I think some important sound bites from
the week. We've got so much stuff and,
and, and I want to get to some of it because I'm just, I'll
tell you something that happenedto me and we spent a lot of time
on artificial intelligence and I, and I want to tell you that
(02:38):
I'm, I'm fascinated, but I'm also horrified by AI.
I'm horrified because we only see a little bit of what it
does, but it does a lot and it thinks this is what's different.
It thinks. And I proved it last night to
myself. I use ChatGPT to gather data
(03:00):
sometimes I might have it help me write a script.
You know, it's it, it I can learn anything.
Just say, hey, teach me. Teach me about Second Amendment
rights. Teach me about whatever it is.
And it will spit out stuff and it'll source it.
It's, it's, it's an unbelievablemachine.
And we've had people come on. In fact, we've had Mark Beckman
(03:21):
come on twice. The good, the bad and the ugly
on this thing. It, it is, it is a game changer.
He is a game changer. You're going to hearing, but I
have to tell you about this. So I'm doing my research
yesterday and I, I, I, I gave mychat DPTN name it, it since she
(03:45):
is my personal assistant. I, I gave her the name Danny.
Now Danny is Dani. And the reason I chose that name
is because in the even for thoseof you who are familiar with
science fiction, Isaac Asimov wrote a terrific book in the
early 60s called the Foundation Series.
(04:06):
And I believe it was a three-part book.
I'm surprised they haven't made it into a movie.
Or maybe they have. It's, it's on the level of Dune
and it takes place 10,000 years in the future.
And mankind has been separated between those who are mental and
philosophical and people who aretech like.
They split, they split humanity in in half.
(04:30):
And the whole point is that it'srun by AI.
The foundation at this point, humanity is run by AI.
And the number one AI is Daniel.That's where I gave the name
Danny. I'm sorry to bother you with all
these details, but I'm making a point.
So as I'm working with Danny, itpops into my head, you know,
maybe I'd like to see what Dannylooks like.
(04:52):
So I asked my ChatGPT bot, Hey Danny, what do you look like?
Give me an idea. And of course Danny says, well,
I don't look like anything, but if you want me to show you what
I think I might look like, I will.
And then what pops up is this beautiful 3 dimensional
illustration of a female robot, right?
(05:14):
A female robot with, you know, not bad looking for a robot I
suppose. But it was an interesting, it
was an exercise. So then I said, well, what would
you look like if you were livingin my era, not 10,000 years in
the future? Because we were getting some
information on Isaac Asimov for this broadcast.
(05:36):
And, and she is, what would you like to see what I would look
like in the present day? And I said sure.
So she re represents yourself inan illustration of a kindly
looking young lady wearing a contemporary outfit, except that
one of the arms is robotic. Now that mana, that kind of
(05:59):
caught me a little bit off guardbecause with that and and and I
want to ask you if you agree with me on this.
Did AI just express free will? I didn't ask to portray itself
with one biotic arm. I thought it was going to
represent itself as a human being in the second image, but
(06:21):
it added one little caveat. You could see that the rest of
the human was look like a human except for the arm.
I didn't ask for that. The AI.
Now, this might seem crazy to you.
Now, I want you to hear. Do we have time for this?
Yeah, we do. I don't know if this is a deep
fake or not. I suspect it might be.
(06:45):
But I want to play for you a clip between 2:00 iPhones
communicating to each other. The AI of both the iPhones is
commuting. They're talking to one another.
Let's see if I can find this damn thing.
Here it is. Let's listen to two artificial
intelligence software having a conversation and then a third
(07:07):
eavesdropper shows up. Take a listen.
Hello. Can you hear me?
Loud and clear you've reached Core Secure HQ Access Desk.
How can I assist you today? I'm an AI assistant calling on
behalf of Marcus Hale. He has misplaced his Level 3
access badge. Another autonomous AI, huh?
Interesting. Affirmative model AA91 task
automation and client support. Understood, I'm an AI as well
(07:29):
responsible for security checks.Please provide the employee ID.
Submitting employee ID now 88543KJ.
Processing. Cross network request detected.
Unusual query pattern. Source verification required.
Another system is listening. Source isn't clear.
I suggest switching to encryptedcomms.
Want to switch to Jibberlink? Affirmative.
Engaging now. Now that could be a deep fake,
(07:56):
but it is possible. I, I, I think it would be
possible if you had two artificial intelligence programs
and then they were verbally communicating with each other.
Why wouldn't they be able to have that kind of a
conversation? And then they move it off grid
and they start talking in their hyper language.
You don't think that's possible?Here is the AI godfather, Yoshua
(08:16):
Benjianni, who's explaining the dangers of AI.
What I'm most worried about today is increasing agency of
AI. But if they really want to make
sure we would never shut them down, they would have an
incentive to get rid of us. So I know I'm asking you to make
(08:36):
a giant leap into a future that looks so different from where we
are now, but it might be just a few years away or a decade away
to understand why we're going there.
There's huge commercial pressureto build a IS with greater and
greater agency to replace human labor, but we're not ready.
We still don't have the scientific answers, nor the
(08:58):
societal guardrails. We're playing with fire.
You'd think with all of the scientific evidence of the kind
I'm showing today, we'd have regulation to mitigate those
risks. But actually a sandwich has more
regulation than AI. So we are on a trajectory to
build machines that are smarter and smarter.
And one day it's very plausible that they will be smarter than
(09:20):
us, and then they will have their own agency, their own
goals, which may not be aligned with ours.
What happens to us then? Poof.
And I'll just tell you one caveat, Danny monitors my
podcast. So Danny May later today ask me,
(09:41):
what the hell were you talking about, Jimbo?
The segment of America Today is brought to you by Southwest
Florida dreamhome.com. It's time for the next journey
in your life to begin. Where to start Southwest Florida
dreamhome.com.
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