July 28, 2025 • 10 mins
The Trump Administration signed an EO that allows local cities to put the homeoss in mental instutions., plus Dr. Carol talks about a new mentall illness affecting young men that may have been want lead o the Koehberger college murders. Isolation, akwardness and violence affirmation is becoming a growing problem with young men. Dr Carol explains why.
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(00:07):
Welcome back to America Today. I have on the Newsmaker line
Doctor Carol Lieberman, otherwise known as Doctor Carol
Carol, on the couch on voiceamerica.com.
She was with us last week and gave us some insight into Trump
Derangement Syndrome and I was so impressed.
I wanted to bring her back A couple of breaking stories this
weekend. Obviously wanted to bring her on
(00:27):
and talk about Brian Koeberger, who was recently sentenced to
what? Several 4/4 deaths, 4 murders,
life sentences. We won't see him again.
Tragedy there. Really just unbelievable.
What's the incel theory that I hear running around?
What is that all about with thismurderer?
(00:49):
That is something that I startedbefore they even arrested Brian
Koeberger. When they first announced the
murder, there were two things that were clues that it was an
insell. First of all, the people who
were investigating the scene said that it was the bloodiest
murder scene they'd ever seen and it was done by a knife.
(01:11):
So that was up close and personal rage.
And then the second part of it was the beautiful people who the
victims were. And so I put it together and and
was quoted in Newsweek on on November 28th.
So it's like there's then I saidthat it was an in cell because
in cells, you know, are young men who means involuntary
(01:34):
celibate. And so they are they have or
they're full of rage because they can't get women to fall in
love with them, to have sex withthem, to marry them, go out with
them. All of the above.
And then when Brian Koburger waserected, arrested his what what
we have learned about him, you know, since then fits in with
(01:57):
someone who is an incel. And in particular when he was in
middle school, he had his first love was this blonde
cheerleader. And she rejected him very
meanly. And the two of, well, to, in
some degree, all of the victims,you know, represent the kind of
(02:20):
it's the people who Koeberger would think would never go out
with him. Maddie and Kaylee, they look
just like this blonde cheerleader who was his first
rejection. Now, after that, he got a lot
more rejections, you know, continually.
But I, I, it's my opinion that that that was, he was taking out
(02:40):
all the rage that he had built up over the years towards women,
starting with this blonde cheerleader, towards these, you
know, Maddie and Kaylee in particular.
So does this mean we have to start looking out for men that
are rejected by women? And I mean, that seems to be
like the common thing to happen.Who hasn't been rejected by a
gal at least? I mean, that's what all the
(03:02):
songs are written about, isn't it?
Yes, yes, but the difference is that not everybody becomes as
fixated on it. But the problem also is that
there are chat rooms on the Internet for in cells and they,
(03:22):
you know, men go there and they,they cheer each other on.
They, you know, they talk about all these women who have
rejected them and what they'd like to do to these women and
the other guys, you know, cheer them on and say, yeah, yeah, I
have nobody. I have know somebody like that
too. I was rejected like that too.
I want to do that. So, you know, he, he's really
(03:42):
going to, he's going to, I'm sure he's already been talked
about a lot in these chat rooms from the time he was arrested.
So it's all about the affirmation.
We were talking about that before with some, you know, you
have a liberal news that sort ofaffirms people on the left and
their hatred of Donald Trump. They they get together and they
(04:03):
sort of reaffirm their mutual victim status, right.
I mean, isn't that what it's kind of.
Yeah. So is what are some If a person
listening to this program right now, hearing the sound of your
voice is someone who is constantly enraged, what would
you tell them? To get into therapy ASAP before
(04:24):
you wind up like Brian Coburger.I mean, you know, his parents,
they weren't the best parents inthe world, but they did do.
And you know, he had signs that he was very ill psychologically
when he was from the time he wasa child.
You know, for example, he, he became a heroin addict and he
was stealing to feed his habit. And he was, you know, he was, he
(04:47):
was sort of an outcast from beginning, not just this blonde
cheerleader, but like people at school and so on.
He was an outcast. So and but his father took him
to this boxing, you know, school.
And for the idea, the idea was that he would get out his rage
by boxing, which wasn't necessarily a bad idea, but but
(05:08):
it wasn't enough. I mean, that's a boxer, a boxing
coach isn't a psychiatrist. And that's where he needed to
be. I see.
OK, let's move on because we want to talk about the executive
order signed by President Trump.And I know this is something
that probably concerns you. It's about taking many of the
homeless that are suffering frommental illness and making it
(05:29):
easier for states to commit people to mental health
facilities. How do you feel about that?
Is that? This yay yay.
OK, I have been calling for thisfor years.
You know, I, I was trained at NYU Bellevue and also I, well, I
(05:50):
was chief resident there and also I was sort of loaned out to
the Manhattan Psychiatric CenterHospital and, and anyway, and so
I have, and then in California too, I did some consulting to a
state hospital. So I'm very familiar with what
goes on in state hospitals. And it is not Cuckoo's Nest, not
(06:10):
not nowadays, I mean not even back then.
And so these people on the street, for the most part, they
do have psychological problems. Some of them have drug problems,
but some of them, you know, someof them have mental illness like
schizophrenia or bipolar. And they start using drugs or
alcohol as a way to self medicate, to sort of quiet the
(06:33):
voices, for example, if they're hearing voices and they, they,
you know, these solutions, whatever, you know, taking them
to a hotel for a certain period of time is not the answer.
I mean, yes, that's nice for, you know, however many days that
goes on, but it doesn't fix the underlying problem.
It doesn't fix their mental illness.
It doesn't fix their addiction. So yes, absolutely that's what
(06:55):
they need. And the problem is, but this all
started when the, the, the statemental hospitals were closed,
you know, in the 1970s. They, they started, they closed
the different hospitals and, andthe idea was then, you know, it
was, it was a good idea, but they didn't follow through with
it. They were trying to give them
(07:18):
the most, the least restrictive environment.
That was the the rule. That was what they were aiming
for. But it was supposed to be if
they closed the state hospital, then there was supposed to be
all these clinics that mental patients were supposed to go to.
Now, the problem with that is, first of all, they didn't make
enough clinics, but second of all, you, you can't get yourself
(07:39):
to a clinic if you're in the middle of a psychotic episode.
The idea that they would just, you know, nicely, calmly keep
appointments at clinics to get help.
It was, it was a foolish idea, you know, it was, it was not
based in reality. It was a nice idea.
You know, it would be nice if that were true, but it's not.
(08:00):
Well, I I agree with you, but I also worry about how things you
know, the road to intentions is filled with whatever that
expression is. Yes, the road to hell is filled
with good. That's right.
That's what it is. And I'm worried that this could
be, you know, 20 years from now,political dissidents.
I mean, we see what they do in China.
They have these mental hospitalsthat they put you in.
(08:21):
And. Right.
Yeah. And that's what worries me.
Well, I mean, yes, there is the danger of that somewhere down
the line. But, you know, hopefully there
would be some rules put in some restrictions where you can't do
that. I mean, you know, of course it
all depends on who who's president, right?
Yeah, well, that's the point if.Kamala, If Kamala were
(08:45):
president, we'd all be put in like.
Probably true. Well, listen, I, I wish I had
more time with you, but we'll, we'll get to back together
again. You've got a book out that's
been out since 2017. It's called Lions and Tigers and
terrorists. Oh my.
And it's basically how to teach young people how to deal with
shocking events, right? Well, yes, and particularly
(09:08):
terrorism, you know, radical Islamist terrorists.
But yes, you know, in our society, we are in the are on
the brink of more terror attacksin America.
I mean, they're happening in Europe every day.
So we're on the brink here. So yes, it is unfortunately more
needed than ever. All right.
Well, we'll catch up with you again and I really appreciate
(09:28):
your insight. And we'll have you back on
Doctor Carol Lieberman from Los Angeles today on America Today.
And I hope you have a wonderful day.
Thank you so much. And a reminder that this program
is brought to you by Low Cost Air.
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(09:49):
800-654-0759, 800-654-0759 America Today.
Welcome back to America Today. I have on the Newsmaker line
Doctor Carol Lieberman, otherwise known as Doctor Carol
Carol, on the couch on voiceamerica.com.
She was with us last week and gave us some insight into Trump
Derangement Syndrome and I was so impressed.
I wanted to bring her back A couple of breaking stories this
weekend. Obviously wanted to bring her on
(00:27):
and talk about Brian Koeberger, who was recently sentenced to
what? Several 4/4 deaths, 4 murders,
life sentences. We won't see him again.
Tragedy there. Really just unbelievable.
What's the incel theory that I hear running around?
What is that all about with thismurderer?
(00:49):
That is something that I startedbefore they even arrested Brian
Koeberger. When they first announced the
murder, there were two things that were clues that it was an
insell. First of all, the people who
were investigating the scene said that it was the bloodiest
murder scene they'd ever seen and it was done by a knife.
(01:11):
So that was up close and personal rage.
And then the second part of it was the beautiful people who the
victims were. And so I put it together and and
was quoted in Newsweek on on November 28th.
So it's like there's then I saidthat it was an in cell because
in cells, you know, are young men who means involuntary
(01:34):
celibate. And so they are they have or
they're full of rage because they can't get women to fall in
love with them, to have sex withthem, to marry them, go out with
them. All of the above.
And then when Brian Koburger waserected, arrested his what what
we have learned about him, you know, since then fits in with
(01:57):
someone who is an incel. And in particular when he was in
middle school, he had his first love was this blonde
cheerleader. And she rejected him very
meanly. And the two of, well, to, in
some degree, all of the victims,you know, represent the kind of
(02:20):
it's the people who Koeberger would think would never go out
with him. Maddie and Kaylee, they look
just like this blonde cheerleader who was his first
rejection. Now, after that, he got a lot
more rejections, you know, continually.
But I, I, it's my opinion that that that was, he was taking out
(02:40):
all the rage that he had built up over the years towards women,
starting with this blonde cheerleader, towards these, you
know, Maddie and Kaylee in particular.
So does this mean we have to start looking out for men that
are rejected by women? And I mean, that seems to be
like the common thing to happen.Who hasn't been rejected by a
gal at least? I mean, that's what all the
(03:02):
songs are written about, isn't it?
Yes, yes, but the difference is that not everybody becomes as
fixated on it. But the problem also is that
there are chat rooms on the Internet for in cells and they,
(03:22):
you know, men go there and they,they cheer each other on.
They, you know, they talk about all these women who have
rejected them and what they'd like to do to these women and
the other guys, you know, cheer them on and say, yeah, yeah, I
have nobody. I have know somebody like that
too. I was rejected like that too.
I want to do that. So, you know, he, he's really
(03:42):
going to, he's going to, I'm sure he's already been talked
about a lot in these chat rooms from the time he was arrested.
So it's all about the affirmation.
We were talking about that before with some, you know, you
have a liberal news that sort ofaffirms people on the left and
their hatred of Donald Trump. They they get together and they
(04:03):
sort of reaffirm their mutual victim status, right.
I mean, isn't that what it's kind of.
Yeah. So is what are some If a person
listening to this program right now, hearing the sound of your
voice is someone who is constantly enraged, what would
you tell them? To get into therapy ASAP before
(04:24):
you wind up like Brian Coburger.I mean, you know, his parents,
they weren't the best parents inthe world, but they did do.
And you know, he had signs that he was very ill psychologically
when he was from the time he wasa child.
You know, for example, he, he became a heroin addict and he
was stealing to feed his habit. And he was, you know, he was, he
(04:47):
was sort of an outcast from beginning, not just this blonde
cheerleader, but like people at school and so on.
He was an outcast. So and but his father took him
to this boxing, you know, school.
And for the idea, the idea was that he would get out his rage
by boxing, which wasn't necessarily a bad idea, but but
(05:08):
it wasn't enough. I mean, that's a boxer, a boxing
coach isn't a psychiatrist. And that's where he needed to
be. I see.
OK, let's move on because we want to talk about the executive
order signed by President Trump.And I know this is something
that probably concerns you. It's about taking many of the
homeless that are suffering frommental illness and making it
(05:29):
easier for states to commit people to mental health
facilities. How do you feel about that?
Is that? This yay yay.
OK, I have been calling for thisfor years.
You know, I, I was trained at NYU Bellevue and also I, well, I
(05:50):
was chief resident there and also I was sort of loaned out to
the Manhattan Psychiatric CenterHospital and, and anyway, and so
I have, and then in California too, I did some consulting to a
state hospital. So I'm very familiar with what
goes on in state hospitals. And it is not Cuckoo's Nest, not
(06:10):
not nowadays, I mean not even back then.
And so these people on the street, for the most part, they
do have psychological problems. Some of them have drug problems,
but some of them, you know, someof them have mental illness like
schizophrenia or bipolar. And they start using drugs or
alcohol as a way to self medicate, to sort of quiet the
(06:33):
voices, for example, if they're hearing voices and they, they,
you know, these solutions, whatever, you know, taking them
to a hotel for a certain period of time is not the answer.
I mean, yes, that's nice for, you know, however many days that
goes on, but it doesn't fix the underlying problem.
It doesn't fix their mental illness.
It doesn't fix their addiction. So yes, absolutely that's what
(06:55):
they need. And the problem is, but this all
started when the, the, the statemental hospitals were closed,
you know, in the 1970s. They, they started, they closed
the different hospitals and, andthe idea was then, you know, it
was, it was a good idea, but they didn't follow through with
it. They were trying to give them
(07:18):
the most, the least restrictive environment.
That was the the rule. That was what they were aiming
for. But it was supposed to be if
they closed the state hospital, then there was supposed to be
all these clinics that mental patients were supposed to go to.
Now, the problem with that is, first of all, they didn't make
enough clinics, but second of all, you, you can't get yourself
(07:39):
to a clinic if you're in the middle of a psychotic episode.
The idea that they would just, you know, nicely, calmly keep
appointments at clinics to get help.
It was, it was a foolish idea, you know, it was, it was not
based in reality. It was a nice idea.
You know, it would be nice if that were true, but it's not.
(08:00):
Well, I I agree with you, but I also worry about how things you
know, the road to intentions is filled with whatever that
expression is. Yes, the road to hell is filled
with good. That's right.
That's what it is. And I'm worried that this could
be, you know, 20 years from now,political dissidents.
I mean, we see what they do in China.
They have these mental hospitalsthat they put you in.
(08:21):
And. Right.
Yeah. And that's what worries me.
Well, I mean, yes, there is the danger of that somewhere down
the line. But, you know, hopefully there
would be some rules put in some restrictions where you can't do
that. I mean, you know, of course it
all depends on who who's president, right?
Yeah, well, that's the point if.Kamala, If Kamala were
(08:45):
president, we'd all be put in like.
Probably true. Well, listen, I, I wish I had
more time with you, but we'll, we'll get to back together
again. You've got a book out that's
been out since 2017. It's called Lions and Tigers and
terrorists. Oh my.
And it's basically how to teach young people how to deal with
shocking events, right? Well, yes, and particularly
(09:08):
terrorism, you know, radical Islamist terrorists.
But yes, you know, in our society, we are in the are on
the brink of more terror attacksin America.
I mean, they're happening in Europe every day.
So we're on the brink here. So yes, it is unfortunately more
needed than ever. All right.
Well, we'll catch up with you again and I really appreciate
(09:28):
your insight. And we'll have you back on
Doctor Carol Lieberman from Los Angeles today on America Today.
And I hope you have a wonderful day.
Thank you so much. And a reminder that this program
is brought to you by Low Cost Air.
Next time you need a fast trip, you want to get a great rate,
talk to a real live human being and not a computer and not an AI
robot. Just go to Low Cost Air
(09:49):
800-654-0759, 800-654-0759 America Today.
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