May 28, 2025 • 19 mins
How Woke is destroying masculinity in society with Dr. Gilda Carl, PhD.
BIO: DR. GILDA CARLE (Ph.D.) is the author of “Real Men Don’t Go Woke.” She has appeared on most TV talk & news shows. She was the host of Fox’s “Dr. Gilda” TV show pilot, MTV’s “Love Doc,” and TV shows on Trinity Broadcasting Network. She wrote the “30-Second Therapist” column for the Today Show, the “Ask Dr. Gilda” column in the National Enquirer, the “Ask Dr. Gilda” column for Match.com, and she was the therapist in HBO’s Emmy Award winner, “Telling Nicholas,” featured on Oprah. She is a product spokesperson, keynote speaker, Professor Emerita of Business, and author of 19 books.
ABOUT: Real Men Don’t Go Woke challenges the status quo, drawing wisdom from Sun Tzu’s The Art of War. It provides a new brand of male strength that uses intellect and vulnerability. With a roadmap for emotional resilience and authentic expression, this book sparks a movement to proudly reclaim masculine identity and build a future where men will thrive
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(00:07):
I think about 10 times a day, I must say, you know, when I was a
kid and and that was every day, it gets longer and longer.
Welcome back to America today, Jim Watkins.
I am. You may be my biggest celebrity
doctor Gilda. Dr. Gilda Carl is with me.
Yeah, she's, she's the author ofReal Men Don't Go Woke.
(00:28):
She has appeared on most TV talkshows, news shows.
She's was the host of Fox's Doctor Gilda TV show, Also MTV
Love Doc, some of you might remember that, and various
television shows on the Trinity Broadcasting Network, as well as
the 32nd Therapist column for the Today Show and the Ask
(00:50):
Doctor Gilda column in the National Enquirer.
So it's good to have you. And your book is called Real Men
Don't Go Woke, which is a great title, but it's actually
actually a very serious issue inour culture today because I read
a great article and I read more of them about how men have been
stripped of their toxic masculinity.
(01:12):
And part of this is because of the way schools raise our kids
and they put them on drugs when they start acting like boys And
and I began noticing in culture Doctor Gilda that maybe 20 years
ago they started to portray older white men as being stupid
kind of like, you know, on what's that show the Fox cartoon
(01:35):
with the little kid. I forget you know the guy
anyway, characters in like a family comedies.
And I said to my wife back then,I said, does it seem to you that
they're trying to make men look less manly?
And so tell us about your book and what prompted you to write
it in a little bit about. What's in it?
(01:56):
Well, traditionally this is my 19th book, so I've been around
the block a few times and I was published by the big publishers
at the very beginning. Did very well.
Got $1,000,000 book contract formy first book because of my
celebrity on television. And I was just going fine until
I started working with the big publishers and I saw how
(02:19):
controlling they wanted to be about the content, the content
less than about the cover art and the things that would
display what I was talking about.
So we ran into some problems andthen I started publishing with
Amazon. I thought that was a better
idea, but then they had this brilliant idea.
(02:41):
I had one of my books was calledis called Don't Lie on Your Back
for a guy who doesn't have yours.
It's for young women. It was an offshoot of when in
the days that I was the love docon MTV.
And I thought, OK, this is a newconcept.
(03:02):
You want to find men who have your back.
But as time went on, these youngwomen are writing to me and
talking to me and saying I, I, I, you know, I've been doing
everything for this guy. And then he dumped me anyway.
And I said, well, maybe that's the problem.
Well, then I started looking at the advice.
(03:23):
I was doling out all these womenand all these books, these
health self help books. And I said, you know, I'm asking
them to find men who have their backs.
But we have a problem here. Men don't have their own backs.
So how could they give that which they do not have?
So I thought, OK, now what do I do?
(03:44):
And I prayed and I meditated andI got this answer.
You have to write a book for men.
And I kept hearing what the publishers were telling me.
Men don't read self help books. Well, I said this is not going
to be a self help book. This is going to be an
explanatory situation depicting what has really happened to men
(04:08):
in our society, because all I'm hearing from now from women is
how can I find a real man? Well, good luck, Because what
has happened is that men wake upin the morning and they're
automatically told that they're toxic just for having a penis.
You're toxic and they don't knowwhat to do with that.
(04:30):
So many of them, with the help of our cultural radical
feminists, are switching to the opposite side.
You know, the pendulum goes from1 extreme to another until the
finest modicum. But they go to the opposite side
and they become what we now callwoke.
(04:53):
And that means they lose their sense of masculinity, their
voice, their spine, their willingness to speak up.
And women are telling me the guys don't speak.
My husband doesn't speak. He doesn't give me his real
opinion on anything. And this is more.
(05:14):
Yeah, we know why that. Is, well, we sure do know why
that is, because if he does, he's put down, he's cut off,
he's cancelled and he's castrated.
So what smart man is going to say anything and gets fired from
his job and gets fired from his marriage or banished so he
(05:36):
shuts? Up.
Yeah. Or banished from the.
Living room well, ban it. Well, it's funny you should say
that because I, I made a list ofsome of the feelings that
today's men are feeling as a result of this whole woke
culture having taken, well, I won't say taken over, but it,
(05:58):
it's trying very hard to be prominence in their lives.
Men are feeling wounded, woundedand banished and shamed and
unneeded and angry. Now anger is the only thing men
are allowed to show. So when they get carried away
with their anger, then they become really toxic.
(06:18):
The whole setup, it's, it's justthat it is a setup for men to
shut up and go away. And if you listen to some of the
radical feminists, this is what they want to happen.
There's a problem though. We have, oh, I don't know, maybe
in 11,000,000 years, the climatepeople are telling us there's
(06:42):
not going to be any planet left.Well, guess what?
In 11,000,000 years, with the decrease in testosterone, with
the thinning out of the Y chromosome, with the depression,
with the loneliness and with everything else that is
happening, there won't be any men around anymore.
Look what is happening, happening to our young boys.
And all of this is researched thoroughly and in this book.
(07:07):
These guys, these boys are coming home from school if they
go to school and sitting in their parents basement or in
their bedrooms and smoking grassor vaping or and then on on porn
(07:27):
and it totally dropped out. They're not interested in
finding a job. They don't have any goals they
have don't have any life aspirations and they're just
dead. And these are young boys.
And now we're finding young boys10 and up are committing
suicide. What in a boy's life at 10 is is
(07:52):
pushing him to commit suicide? Yeah.
The bullying that the schools aren't doing anything about that
Some some boys have written in their notes, in their suicide
notes. OK.
I just want to end this all. I don't want to do this anymore.
I've been bullied, and nobody's been helping me.
(08:12):
One of the problems, however, isthat boys won't speak up.
Just like men, they remain silent and so parents don't have
any idea what is going on with them.
This is such a serious issue. If you just tuned in, we're
talking to Doctor Gilda. Gilda Carl, her new book is
(08:34):
called Real Men Don't Go Woke, and it's what we're talking
about here. We're going to take a quick
break and then we'll come right back.
And then I want to talk more about the AI element now because
that's changing the elements of relationships and texting and
social media. And those are those are areas I
think also where we need to talkabout that.
(08:56):
So you hang on. We'll get right back here on
America TODAY with yours truly, Jim Watkins.
Sit right there. I'm the hottest chick to get
drafted first overall in WNBA history and let's be real, it's
good for the game. Because the truth is that people
only watch women's sports to seeattractive ladies get sweaty.
This segment of America Today isbrought to you by Southwest
(09:16):
Florida dreamhome.com. If you're looking for a new
adventure or perhaps an investment property, there's no
better time than now to look forproperty in Southwest Florida
and Miles. Avishon Realty of Cape Coral, FL
is a great place to start, but you can jump online and check
out the wonderful array of beautiful homes.
It could be the first page in your adventure, your new
(09:38):
adventure. So jump online.
It's Southwest Florida dreamhome.com.
That's Southwest Florida dream home dot com if you're looking
for a change or a new way to enjoy paradise on your terms.
Once again, the website southwestfloridadreamhome.com
Southwest Florida dreamhome.com.This is such an important
(10:09):
conversation because we see it happening in front of us and
it's not even in slow motion. It's in real time.
Men have become disenfranchised.Young boys are growing up in a
society where they feel they're not needed.
And all the gaslighting, all of the toxic masculinity, not to
mention the the drugs that they give young boys to sedate them
(10:31):
and change their mental circuitry.
It's disgusting, frankly. And we're talking to somebody
who knows a thing or two about it.
Doctor Gilda Carl has joined us.She's a PhD and you might
remember for it's been on, gosh,a dozen television shows.
She's written a 30 books and hernew book is called Real Men
Don't Go Woke. So let's talk about the
(10:51):
influence of social media. How has that changed the
dynamic? When we were young and we got
into our first loving relationship and we had that
girl crush. It was also romantic and
dramatic. I mean, I think that carried me
through high school, really falling in love with all these
pretty girls. But I don't think it's that way.
I think today boys are stuffed. They're told to stuff their
(11:14):
feelings. They're distracted by the
Internet. How is the dynamic from your
perspective, change between young men and young young women?
Well, first of all, men are not asking women out.
Women are still of well, they, they, they've been raised by
parents who are older and they know that a guy should be asking
a woman out. So what has happened is that the
(11:36):
woman asks the man out. But it's human nature.
I, you know, I haven't written 30 books, Jim, only 19.
This is my 19. But thank you.
We're on our way. What I find again and again and
again, doing all the research I do for every single book, is
that it's constantly the same. Women want to wear the pants and
(12:02):
then women are upset when the guy takes a back seat because
the women are then saying, he doesn't even tell me what he
wants. He doesn't even ask me out.
He doesn't even say, let's have dinner.
I'm going to provide a fabulous romantic weekend for us.
No, he's not taking the lead because she has cut the cord of
(12:27):
him and that's the horrible partof all of this.
It sounds to me like the the women today and and this has
been going on generationally since at least the 50s when
feminine power and I am I am woman hear me roar.
It sounds like they want the best of both worlds in many
respects, and they've come. To expect it.
(12:50):
You said it. That's exactly, you know what
women want, question mark. They don't know.
They don't know what the heck they want.
They come to me and they say, well, I can't find a man.
The men come to me and they say she won't listen to me, she
won't hear me. Men need to be heard.
Men need to be thought of as a contributing partner.
(13:11):
But men think that they're not needed to be a partner or
anything else. And as a result of that, they
just say, well, I'm going to just just shut up.
And what do they do? Oh, they find some other cute
young thing and they run around with her.
Is that as though that is the answer?
It's just a Band-Aid. It is not helping the situation.
(13:33):
It's not changing the situation.And the boys that these men are
raising see what's going on. They don't want any part of it.
So we're finding more and more young men are saying, I don't
want to get married, I don't want to have a family.
And this is all applauded by theradical feminists who say you
(13:55):
don't need a man. Well, I beg to differ with them.
We need men, and one of the reasons that I wrote this book
is because we need men. You know, I became a
spokesperson for the International Council of Men and
Boys. Wonderful organization and they
were so thrilled to have me because suddenly there's a woman
(14:16):
speaking on behalf of men, whereas it's always, it has been
men speaking up for men, but nowit's from the woman's
perspective. We see what is going on and we
don't like it. You take the people in the news.
Now I have written also for the tabloids, so I am always looking
at the people in the news. Belichick, For example, Bill
(14:40):
Belichick was one of the greatest coaches in NFL history.
He. Was from yes, focused
discipline, stoic. And then he was pushed out and
it took a full year for him to say, whoa, what am I going to
do? But he re situated himself as a
head coach of the University of North Carolina, the Tar Heels.
(15:03):
But what has happened is that maybe he got tired, as tired as
these alpha men get after they have put in a hard day and run
the company and and gotten the stock prices to be soaring and
they're tired and they apply coming home and they say, wait a
minute, I don't want to be in control.
(15:25):
They want a dominatrix. And so they choose a dominatrix
to just take care of them. And it's sad, isn't it?
And well, it's acting out in a different way because they
don't, they're exhausted. One man said to me, I'm an alpha
all day long. He's a physician.
I'm an alpha all day long. But you know, and I hate to even
(15:48):
admit this, sometimes I have to be a a beta or a gamma.
I said that is normal because you can't sustain A monotone
existence of any kind. And this drive to be an alpha
male has contributed to men feeling tired and exhausted and
(16:09):
sometimes quite angry as they see their women, if they get
divorced, especially their women, say, shell out all this
money and then they can't affordto do all the things that they
used to do. And the woman is living OK and
they're not. A lot of men are not doing OK
after they get divorced, not even to mention the emotional
(16:34):
drain on them. And because men will not ask for
help, there they are. Let me ask you, I want to get on
to a couple of other things because our time is short.
Talk to me about the We talked about the nature of young
people's relationships, how those have changed.
Do you have you given much thought to artificial
intelligence in this new algorithm where you develop a
(16:56):
relationship? In fact, in in I think Florida
recently, a young man was havinga relationship with an online
bot and that bot convinced him to kill himself, which he did.
And now the Google and and Meta are being sued because of it.
Do you see the road down of a little ways and what's?
(17:19):
Going to start happening. This is this is so frightening.
How about the how about the woman who decided to marry a bot
and she went to a dinner with a whole bunch of them who were
married to bots. And this woman had had struck
out so badly after her divorce and in her marriage and then
after her divorce, she couldn't find anybody.
(17:40):
And she figured, OK, this is what I'm going to do.
So she got this bot. And that's not unusual with some
parts of our community. The whole civilization has kind
of cycled downward. It's all in the book.
I talk about that and how peoplethink that having a sex doll,
(18:02):
having a bot, having an inanimate object is as good as
sleeping next real life. Person and.
Talking about the day and the problems and the interactions of
other people. What is that that's suggesting?
A need for total control. So whether it's a man or a woman
(18:25):
has decided that it's it's it's a bot that he or she wants, that
is not the answer. The answer is to communicate
with the person you're with, or at least attract a real life
person. And yes, life has this.
This institutes what made anybody believe believe that we
(18:48):
live in such a plastic life thateverything can be corrected with
either plastic surgery or plastic dolls.
It's such a interesting point. I want to encourage people to
get the book again. Our guest for this segment is
Doctor Gilda Carl, and her book is called Real Men Don't Go
Woke. It's a funny title and it's get
(19:09):
a little chuckle out of it, but when you listen to what she's
talking about, this is serious. We're talking about societal
extinction. If we don't reverse course, Dr.
Gilder, our time is short. Yeah, and and I want to have you
back. There's all these issues that
keep coming up, so we'll have plenty of fodder.
Oh, thank you. Yeah.
But thank you. OK.
I'd love to. Yeah, once again.
(19:29):
Thank you, Jim. It's a pleasure.
Real, real pleasure. Doctor Gilda Carl, PhD, famous
on TV, writes columns and now her new book, Real Men Don't Go
Woke and America Today continues.
I think about 10 times a day, I must say, you know, when I was a
kid and and that was every day, it gets longer and longer.
Welcome back to America today, Jim Watkins.
I am. You may be my biggest celebrity
doctor Gilda. Dr. Gilda Carl is with me.
Yeah, she's, she's the author ofReal Men Don't Go Woke.
(00:28):
She has appeared on most TV talkshows, news shows.
She's was the host of Fox's Doctor Gilda TV show, Also MTV
Love Doc, some of you might remember that, and various
television shows on the Trinity Broadcasting Network, as well as
the 32nd Therapist column for the Today Show and the Ask
(00:50):
Doctor Gilda column in the National Enquirer.
So it's good to have you. And your book is called Real Men
Don't Go Woke, which is a great title, but it's actually
actually a very serious issue inour culture today because I read
a great article and I read more of them about how men have been
stripped of their toxic masculinity.
(01:12):
And part of this is because of the way schools raise our kids
and they put them on drugs when they start acting like boys And
and I began noticing in culture Doctor Gilda that maybe 20 years
ago they started to portray older white men as being stupid
kind of like, you know, on what's that show the Fox cartoon
(01:35):
with the little kid. I forget you know the guy
anyway, characters in like a family comedies.
And I said to my wife back then,I said, does it seem to you that
they're trying to make men look less manly?
And so tell us about your book and what prompted you to write
it in a little bit about. What's in it?
(01:56):
Well, traditionally this is my 19th book, so I've been around
the block a few times and I was published by the big publishers
at the very beginning. Did very well.
Got $1,000,000 book contract formy first book because of my
celebrity on television. And I was just going fine until
I started working with the big publishers and I saw how
(02:19):
controlling they wanted to be about the content, the content
less than about the cover art and the things that would
display what I was talking about.
So we ran into some problems andthen I started publishing with
Amazon. I thought that was a better
idea, but then they had this brilliant idea.
(02:41):
I had one of my books was calledis called Don't Lie on Your Back
for a guy who doesn't have yours.
It's for young women. It was an offshoot of when in
the days that I was the love docon MTV.
And I thought, OK, this is a newconcept.
(03:02):
You want to find men who have your back.
But as time went on, these youngwomen are writing to me and
talking to me and saying I, I, I, you know, I've been doing
everything for this guy. And then he dumped me anyway.
And I said, well, maybe that's the problem.
Well, then I started looking at the advice.
(03:23):
I was doling out all these womenand all these books, these
health self help books. And I said, you know, I'm asking
them to find men who have their backs.
But we have a problem here. Men don't have their own backs.
So how could they give that which they do not have?
So I thought, OK, now what do I do?
(03:44):
And I prayed and I meditated andI got this answer.
You have to write a book for men.
And I kept hearing what the publishers were telling me.
Men don't read self help books. Well, I said this is not going
to be a self help book. This is going to be an
explanatory situation depicting what has really happened to men
(04:08):
in our society, because all I'm hearing from now from women is
how can I find a real man? Well, good luck, Because what
has happened is that men wake upin the morning and they're
automatically told that they're toxic just for having a penis.
You're toxic and they don't knowwhat to do with that.
(04:30):
So many of them, with the help of our cultural radical
feminists, are switching to the opposite side.
You know, the pendulum goes from1 extreme to another until the
finest modicum. But they go to the opposite side
and they become what we now callwoke.
(04:53):
And that means they lose their sense of masculinity, their
voice, their spine, their willingness to speak up.
And women are telling me the guys don't speak.
My husband doesn't speak. He doesn't give me his real
opinion on anything. And this is more.
(05:14):
Yeah, we know why that. Is, well, we sure do know why
that is, because if he does, he's put down, he's cut off,
he's cancelled and he's castrated.
So what smart man is going to say anything and gets fired from
his job and gets fired from his marriage or banished so he
(05:36):
shuts? Up.
Yeah. Or banished from the.
Living room well, ban it. Well, it's funny you should say
that because I, I made a list ofsome of the feelings that
today's men are feeling as a result of this whole woke
culture having taken, well, I won't say taken over, but it,
(05:58):
it's trying very hard to be prominence in their lives.
Men are feeling wounded, woundedand banished and shamed and
unneeded and angry. Now anger is the only thing men
are allowed to show. So when they get carried away
with their anger, then they become really toxic.
(06:18):
The whole setup, it's, it's justthat it is a setup for men to
shut up and go away. And if you listen to some of the
radical feminists, this is what they want to happen.
There's a problem though. We have, oh, I don't know, maybe
in 11,000,000 years, the climatepeople are telling us there's
(06:42):
not going to be any planet left.Well, guess what?
In 11,000,000 years, with the decrease in testosterone, with
the thinning out of the Y chromosome, with the depression,
with the loneliness and with everything else that is
happening, there won't be any men around anymore.
Look what is happening, happening to our young boys.
And all of this is researched thoroughly and in this book.
(07:07):
These guys, these boys are coming home from school if they
go to school and sitting in their parents basement or in
their bedrooms and smoking grassor vaping or and then on on porn
(07:27):
and it totally dropped out. They're not interested in
finding a job. They don't have any goals they
have don't have any life aspirations and they're just
dead. And these are young boys.
And now we're finding young boys10 and up are committing
suicide. What in a boy's life at 10 is is
(07:52):
pushing him to commit suicide? Yeah.
The bullying that the schools aren't doing anything about that
Some some boys have written in their notes, in their suicide
notes. OK.
I just want to end this all. I don't want to do this anymore.
I've been bullied, and nobody's been helping me.
(08:12):
One of the problems, however, isthat boys won't speak up.
Just like men, they remain silent and so parents don't have
any idea what is going on with them.
This is such a serious issue. If you just tuned in, we're
talking to Doctor Gilda. Gilda Carl, her new book is
(08:34):
called Real Men Don't Go Woke, and it's what we're talking
about here. We're going to take a quick
break and then we'll come right back.
And then I want to talk more about the AI element now because
that's changing the elements of relationships and texting and
social media. And those are those are areas I
think also where we need to talkabout that.
(08:56):
So you hang on. We'll get right back here on
America TODAY with yours truly, Jim Watkins.
Sit right there. I'm the hottest chick to get
drafted first overall in WNBA history and let's be real, it's
good for the game. Because the truth is that people
only watch women's sports to seeattractive ladies get sweaty.
This segment of America Today isbrought to you by Southwest
(09:16):
Florida dreamhome.com. If you're looking for a new
adventure or perhaps an investment property, there's no
better time than now to look forproperty in Southwest Florida
and Miles. Avishon Realty of Cape Coral, FL
is a great place to start, but you can jump online and check
out the wonderful array of beautiful homes.
It could be the first page in your adventure, your new
(09:38):
adventure. So jump online.
It's Southwest Florida dreamhome.com.
That's Southwest Florida dream home dot com if you're looking
for a change or a new way to enjoy paradise on your terms.
Once again, the website southwestfloridadreamhome.com
Southwest Florida dreamhome.com.This is such an important
(10:09):
conversation because we see it happening in front of us and
it's not even in slow motion. It's in real time.
Men have become disenfranchised.Young boys are growing up in a
society where they feel they're not needed.
And all the gaslighting, all of the toxic masculinity, not to
mention the the drugs that they give young boys to sedate them
(10:31):
and change their mental circuitry.
It's disgusting, frankly. And we're talking to somebody
who knows a thing or two about it.
Doctor Gilda Carl has joined us.She's a PhD and you might
remember for it's been on, gosh,a dozen television shows.
She's written a 30 books and hernew book is called Real Men
Don't Go Woke. So let's talk about the
(10:51):
influence of social media. How has that changed the
dynamic? When we were young and we got
into our first loving relationship and we had that
girl crush. It was also romantic and
dramatic. I mean, I think that carried me
through high school, really falling in love with all these
pretty girls. But I don't think it's that way.
I think today boys are stuffed. They're told to stuff their
(11:14):
feelings. They're distracted by the
Internet. How is the dynamic from your
perspective, change between young men and young young women?
Well, first of all, men are not asking women out.
Women are still of well, they, they, they've been raised by
parents who are older and they know that a guy should be asking
a woman out. So what has happened is that the
(11:36):
woman asks the man out. But it's human nature.
I, you know, I haven't written 30 books, Jim, only 19.
This is my 19. But thank you.
We're on our way. What I find again and again and
again, doing all the research I do for every single book, is
that it's constantly the same. Women want to wear the pants and
(12:02):
then women are upset when the guy takes a back seat because
the women are then saying, he doesn't even tell me what he
wants. He doesn't even ask me out.
He doesn't even say, let's have dinner.
I'm going to provide a fabulous romantic weekend for us.
No, he's not taking the lead because she has cut the cord of
(12:27):
him and that's the horrible partof all of this.
It sounds to me like the the women today and and this has
been going on generationally since at least the 50s when
feminine power and I am I am woman hear me roar.
It sounds like they want the best of both worlds in many
respects, and they've come. To expect it.
(12:50):
You said it. That's exactly, you know what
women want, question mark. They don't know.
They don't know what the heck they want.
They come to me and they say, well, I can't find a man.
The men come to me and they say she won't listen to me, she
won't hear me. Men need to be heard.
Men need to be thought of as a contributing partner.
(13:11):
But men think that they're not needed to be a partner or
anything else. And as a result of that, they
just say, well, I'm going to just just shut up.
And what do they do? Oh, they find some other cute
young thing and they run around with her.
Is that as though that is the answer?
It's just a Band-Aid. It is not helping the situation.
(13:33):
It's not changing the situation.And the boys that these men are
raising see what's going on. They don't want any part of it.
So we're finding more and more young men are saying, I don't
want to get married, I don't want to have a family.
And this is all applauded by theradical feminists who say you
(13:55):
don't need a man. Well, I beg to differ with them.
We need men, and one of the reasons that I wrote this book
is because we need men. You know, I became a
spokesperson for the International Council of Men and
Boys. Wonderful organization and they
were so thrilled to have me because suddenly there's a woman
(14:16):
speaking on behalf of men, whereas it's always, it has been
men speaking up for men, but nowit's from the woman's
perspective. We see what is going on and we
don't like it. You take the people in the news.
Now I have written also for the tabloids, so I am always looking
at the people in the news. Belichick, For example, Bill
(14:40):
Belichick was one of the greatest coaches in NFL history.
He. Was from yes, focused
discipline, stoic. And then he was pushed out and
it took a full year for him to say, whoa, what am I going to
do? But he re situated himself as a
head coach of the University of North Carolina, the Tar Heels.
(15:03):
But what has happened is that maybe he got tired, as tired as
these alpha men get after they have put in a hard day and run
the company and and gotten the stock prices to be soaring and
they're tired and they apply coming home and they say, wait a
minute, I don't want to be in control.
(15:25):
They want a dominatrix. And so they choose a dominatrix
to just take care of them. And it's sad, isn't it?
And well, it's acting out in a different way because they
don't, they're exhausted. One man said to me, I'm an alpha
all day long. He's a physician.
I'm an alpha all day long. But you know, and I hate to even
(15:48):
admit this, sometimes I have to be a a beta or a gamma.
I said that is normal because you can't sustain A monotone
existence of any kind. And this drive to be an alpha
male has contributed to men feeling tired and exhausted and
(16:09):
sometimes quite angry as they see their women, if they get
divorced, especially their women, say, shell out all this
money and then they can't affordto do all the things that they
used to do. And the woman is living OK and
they're not. A lot of men are not doing OK
after they get divorced, not even to mention the emotional
(16:34):
drain on them. And because men will not ask for
help, there they are. Let me ask you, I want to get on
to a couple of other things because our time is short.
Talk to me about the We talked about the nature of young
people's relationships, how those have changed.
Do you have you given much thought to artificial
intelligence in this new algorithm where you develop a
(16:56):
relationship? In fact, in in I think Florida
recently, a young man was havinga relationship with an online
bot and that bot convinced him to kill himself, which he did.
And now the Google and and Meta are being sued because of it.
Do you see the road down of a little ways and what's?
(17:19):
Going to start happening. This is this is so frightening.
How about the how about the woman who decided to marry a bot
and she went to a dinner with a whole bunch of them who were
married to bots. And this woman had had struck
out so badly after her divorce and in her marriage and then
after her divorce, she couldn't find anybody.
(17:40):
And she figured, OK, this is what I'm going to do.
So she got this bot. And that's not unusual with some
parts of our community. The whole civilization has kind
of cycled downward. It's all in the book.
I talk about that and how peoplethink that having a sex doll,
(18:02):
having a bot, having an inanimate object is as good as
sleeping next real life. Person and.
Talking about the day and the problems and the interactions of
other people. What is that that's suggesting?
A need for total control. So whether it's a man or a woman
(18:25):
has decided that it's it's it's a bot that he or she wants, that
is not the answer. The answer is to communicate
with the person you're with, or at least attract a real life
person. And yes, life has this.
This institutes what made anybody believe believe that we
(18:48):
live in such a plastic life thateverything can be corrected with
either plastic surgery or plastic dolls.
It's such a interesting point. I want to encourage people to
get the book again. Our guest for this segment is
Doctor Gilda Carl, and her book is called Real Men Don't Go
Woke. It's a funny title and it's get
(19:09):
a little chuckle out of it, but when you listen to what she's
talking about, this is serious. We're talking about societal
extinction. If we don't reverse course, Dr.
Gilder, our time is short. Yeah, and and I want to have you
back. There's all these issues that
keep coming up, so we'll have plenty of fodder.
Oh, thank you. Yeah.
But thank you. OK.
I'd love to. Yeah, once again.
(19:29):
Thank you, Jim. It's a pleasure.
Real, real pleasure. Doctor Gilda Carl, PhD, famous
on TV, writes columns and now her new book, Real Men Don't Go
Woke and America Today continues.
Host
JIM WATKINS
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