July 22, 2025 • 19 mins
Dr Carol Leibrman, author and Los Angeles-based psychiatrist, explains the very real (and treatable) disorder known as TDS, or Trump Derangement Syndrome. Dr. Carol describes the four levels of TDS and how destructive is can be if left unchecked.
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All right, we are going to be joined by Doctor Carol
Lieberman, and we're going to talk about Trump Derangement
Syndrome because I'm sure you'veheard it before.
And we want to know, you know, is there some legitimacy to it?
Doctor Lieberman from Los Angeles, thank you so much.
She did write a great book back in 2017 called Lions and Tigers
and Terrorists. Oh my.
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And I thought that was a kind ofa catchy book.
And it was basically a serious approach to helping parents deal
with children's stress from, youknow, what's going on in the
news. And in this particular case,
terrorism was something of a something in 2017.
And then COVID came along. And my goodness, Doctor
Lieberman, you must be a very, very busy person dealing with,
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with stress and anxiety these days, huh?
Well. Yes, of course, you know, when
COVID came, that is, that's why,I mean, it was, you know, the
lockdowns were horrible and all that.
But the one silver lining to it is that besides that, we parents
got to see what's really being taught in schools.
That's a silver lining. But also because we weren't out
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at concerts and things like that, there weren't more terror
attacks. Not big ones anyway, at least
not in America. But we are at the brink.
You know, we've been on on the brink for a long time.
We just had this, this respite because of, of the lockdowns.
But we are we are more in dangertoday of terror attacks than we
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were on 9/11. Oh, no question about that.
There's a lot more attention coming from all sides and
there's no question I, I almost want to split this interview in
two because I've not actually talked to a psycho psychiatrist
since the COVID about the effects that COVID had on
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society. And I sometimes think that many
of us it was, it was horrible doctor, because I saw people
that I loved and I thought I knew.
And then what the Trump thing and everything else that's
happened. It's it, there's something that
has completely changed in the United States in the last five
years. Would you agree with that?
It's different now. Yes, yes.
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Nobody wants to really talk about or acknowledge that things
have changed because of COVID, starting with COVID.
But there's a kind of, there's afirst of all, the first thing is
more awareness of our mortality.And that has affected us in a
lot of ways, none of them good. Well, I mean, you know, in a way
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it's, you know, it's, it's always good to have a, to
realize that life is, is precious and short and all of
that. And therefore you should, you
know, accomplish things and, andnot sit around and, and wait
around to, to accomplish things.But the impact it has had the
other side of that is I'm makingpeople think I have nothing left
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to lose, like I'm going to die soon or sooner than I thought.
And and that is, is at the root of a lot of the violence that's
going on. That plus the fact that during
COVID a lot, because people werehome, they watched a lot of
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people played a lot more hours of violent video games than they
ever had before. And studies going back decades
show that the more violent mediayou consume, especially video
games, the more aggressive you become.
So we come out of COVID and instead of it being, you know,
the, the, and the sun soaked, you know, wonderful Nirvana,
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heaven and all of that, that we were told it was going to be.
Instead, people are like we, we have road rage, we have air
rage, We have more rage than we ever had before.
And it's not a coincidence. Plus, of course, the rage is
that the government for for making us locked down in the 1st
place and for making us take thevaccines, which I never actually
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took, I didn't let my daughter take, but a lot of people did.
And now we realize how dangerousthey really are, you know,
because. Of the well some of us have
that's the the thing there are still a good it's interesting
you bring that because I still know people who have no qualms
about going in getting their booster and they have no qualms
about the fact that there's beenreports of super cancers now and
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more people are getting sick more often.
It's like they're in denial. And that's what makes me think
that a lot of us are suffering from Stockholm syndrome.
And in this case, the governmentis the perpetrator and we are
are are we? We still have this great immense
trust in our institutions when clearly COVID showed us that
they were not trustworthy at all.
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Right. Well, hopefully Fauci will be in
jail at some. Point too.
I find it a website. I had a website during the
during COVID please fire, pleasefire pouchy.com and I listed all
the reasons why and I listed my my prescription for America, the
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the things that people needed todo to get themselves healthy
instead of taking the vaccine. Is it still up?
No, actually, we took it. Darn, I know.
I why shouldn't have taken a dance.
Yeah, you. Shouldn't have I mean, we're
still living the nightmare, you know, in some places, but listen
to our folks all over all acrossthe country that are listening.
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You know, we don't like the division, the people on the, my,
my honest assessment is people who are for Trump really do have
a, you know, I'm not saying thatpeople don't, but the, the, the
MAGA crowd seems to understand the gravity of the situation of
how our government is sort of metastasized into something that
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works against us. And we see examples of us even
this week when we find out that,you know, Obama conspired with a
group of his his inner circle toundermine the president, which
is not what you're supposed to do when you're an elected
official. But what is with the Trump
arrangements? That is because we all sat
around and we could watch like during COVID and all that, and
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we were just fed a nightly menu of, I mean, is this like an
Orwellian thing, like a Samuel Emmanuel Goldstein, where we
many people have just been brainwashed to hate?
Well, I don't think Trump can really be blamed for for for
COVID or for what happened I. Mean he was not necessarily him,
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but just it was during that period where he was in office
and, you know, a lot of us sat around and watch TV and we were
absorbed by the news. And he's an interesting,
fascinating guy. But what I'm trying to, I guess,
ask you is where does all this hatred, this innate hatred come
from? Is it really?
A disorder, yes, I can explain that to you.
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I don't really relate that to Kovid, although I mean, because
the four years of Biden has, youknow, I mean, that was, I mean,
really Trump wasn't man mandating these vaccines.
It was. It was.
I just meant that it was during COVID, you know, there are a lot
more people were playing video games where a lot more people
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were watching TV. That's that's my only correct.
I don't. Yes, yes, yes.
Yeah, I'm just asking where did this hatred come from?
Well, they actually, it did start.
There was Trump Derangement Syndrome in Trump's first term.
But you know, that was when we were, and I even talked about
that in the media, but it was kind of more of a kind of
laughter sort of thing. It wasn't like a a super serious
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thing at that point. I mean, some people thought of
it more seriously, but but in terms of society, it wasn't
having that much of an impact onsociety.
But in this time around during the campaign, you know, from the
time you started running again this time, Well, I mean, also of
course in the the last time, butbut then he didn't supposedly
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didn't win. And, but it's really come about
in it's, it's flourished during the campaign for this term.
And where it comes from, it comes from people not being
happy. Well, first of all, let me give
you the definition, my definition of it.
And, and let me preface this by saying that I have been working
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on this for months now, putting together a diagnostic criteria
proposal with diagnostic criteria for Trump Derangement
Syndrome to send to the AmericanPsychiatric Association, who
writes every several years a book called the Diagnostic and
Statistical Manual. It's like a Dictionary of of
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psychiatric disorders. And so that's why I, you know,
have been spending such a long time on it getting getting the
classifying A mild case, a moderate case and a severe case.
But but the definition is an irrational, quasi psychotic
hatred of anything Trump resulting in rage and over the
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top efforts to destroy him and his work.
And this can spread to people who are closely associated with
him. I mean, we saw, for example, the
madness of about the Teslas and also, you know, how JD Vance was
blamed for the death of Pope Francis and all of that.
My guess is Doctor Carol Lieberman.
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We're talking about Trump Derangement Syndrome.
Who has it, And when we get back, how do we fix it?
Coming up, America Today continues.
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All right, welcome back to America TODAY.
Jim Watkins here. It's good to have you.
Don't forget to follow the podcast on your favorite podcast
player. Just look for America TODAY with
Jim Watkins. Or you can just go to
jimwatkins.org. And we are talking with Doctor
Carol Lieberman. She is Los Angeles based a an
experienced trained psychiatristand she has written many books
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about dealing with tension and anxiety.
Carol, what's behind the rage? So it comes from from people
having conflicts with their parents.
Well, first of all, it it, it takes root in people who have
psychological problems to begin with.
And these are particularly people who have unresolved
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childhood conflicts with their parents or other authority
figures, people who have low self esteem, disappointments,
bubbling resentments that they project onto Trump.
They blame Trump for the reason why their life isn't perfect and
they obsess about him instead ofimproving their own lot.
So, so then I go into the and, and in particular, men who are,
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who have TDs are men who are jealous of Trump's, like Trump
is a, a, an alpha male and they're jealous of all the
things, you know, all of who he is because they are the things
that stereotypically men are supposed to get like a gorgeous
wife, a lot of money, a lot of power, two time president of the
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United States. So they are jealous of him and
envious of him and blame him forall the things that are lacking
in their lives. Man, I'm just, I'm loving this
one. But let me ask you a quick
question. As a, as a psychiatrist, Doctor
Lieberman, I'm sure you've seen a rise of, of couples or at
least one, maybe the husband or the wife coming to see you about
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their anger about Trump. And I know you can't obviously
talk about your clients, but have you seen a rise in this
kind of yes? Yes, so yes, there are divorces,
there are divorce, you know, of course, friendships being broken
up over Trump Derangement syndrome.
Also people being fired over Trump Derangement Syndrome or,
or quitting because they don't get along with their other the
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other people at their work and then couples, yes you know, I
mean, and it's so absurd. I mean, it's so sad that that,
you know, Lung is supposed to trump Trump Derangement
Syndrome. Well, like when you see people
getting on an airplane and they see somebody with a Red Hat and
they get triggered by that. So that's a triggering effect,
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right? And and so, so the underlying
reasons are that person is predisposed some some sort of
mental disorder anyway. Well, yes, I mean, often there
are associated symptoms, psychiatric symptoms that people
can have along with the symptomsthat I can tell you about with
the with Trump Derangement Syndrome.
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But it also can be associated with one or more of these
general psychiatric symptoms like 1 is anosogo anosognose
that's very hard to pronounce Anex nausea and those though
nausea, which is an inability torecognize or understand the that
the impact that TDs has on them.Then anxiety and depression,
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obsessive compulsive disorder, hysteria, paranoia, sociopathy,
psychopathy, suicidal thoughts, delusions, loss of touch with
reality, mass psychosis, anger, irritability or rage as seen as
prominent features in intermittent explosive disorder,
disruptive mood dysregulation disorder, oppositional defiance
disorder. So these are symptoms that can
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be associated with TDs, but I, Ialso designated symptoms for
each of the, you know, mild, moderate and and severe, mild,
moderate and severe. And so, for example, mild mild
are is when someone reels at themention of Trump's name or songs
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associated with him like YMCA and God bless you USA.
We've all seen these kind of people, right?
And they have a need to criticize and and use
expletives, yelling or throwing something at the TV like Trump
appears. So.
Well, you know, I'm making a, I'm in the middle of making a
website to go with this. It's called the Trump
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derangementsyndrome.com. It's not up yet.
It's not, you know, there's nothing there right now and
there's nothing that the public can see right now.
I also have a quiz. And so, so it has these, you
know, these symptoms, but like, do you have such and such?
Then stammering when asked what's not to like about Trump
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and an inability to come up withanything that makes reasonable
sense. Incapacity to be able to state
what policy is objectionable or why.
Deflecting instead with statements like, oh, you know,
he's just awful. Expressing hatred of Trump in
TikTok rants, other social mediaposts or public forums.
So if you have three out of those, you have a mild case,
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three or more, you have a mild case of TBS.
The media does help to bring it out because, and in fact, and in
fact the View is, is one of my examples of the Miles case.
I was kind of generous A mild case of TDs.
So the media, you know, when yousee the women on the View, for
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example, talking about these kinds of things, you know,
criticizing Trump all the time, that gives you the sense that
you are right in your TDs. It it sort of solidifies or
helps to bring out exacerbate the TBS so.
What's the cure? Well.
This is the cure I have. I recommended.
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First of all, you know, I know most psychiatrists, they've
turned into pill pushers these days.
Not I. And I'm so against that.
I mean, I'm not against medication if you need it for
whatever it is symptoms that youhave, but I'm certainly against
being a pill pushing doctor. People go to psychiatrists for
help and they get a prescriptionand you know, that's not going
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to help, but the drugs alone arenot going to help anything.
You need therapy. All right, Anyway, my, my
treatment recommendations. But people with super mild cases
of CDs, I recommend logic based therapy or rational emotive
behavior therapy. This is basically, you know,
this would be describing things that Trump has already done that
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would benefit them, such as his executive orders or things like
that. But this is only you know, so
it's like rational therapy only if they have my very mild cases.
It's not healthy to have rage, right?
Well, right, yes, it's very actually it's dangerous for your
physical body to have rage aboutanything, to hold that in.
That's how you get ulcers, that's how you get heart
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attacks, all kinds of things. If you really have TDs, even
mild TDs, it's not logical. So it's hard to treat it with
logic. Then individual psychotherapy
for all levels of TDs, not on trying to change their mind
about Trump because they would just leave, never come back to
therapy, but it would be directed at their underlying
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problems and frustrations that make them vulnerable to having
TDs. So, for example, for men,
helping them with their masculine insecurity issues or
helping women cope with dysfunctional relationships with
men, then couples and family therapy.
That's to address what you were talking about that, you know,
trying to prevent people from getting divorced again, you
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know, focusing on the behaviors that the spouse has who has TDs,
not their beliefs, you know, just trying to sort of get them
to, to curb their behaviors in relation to their to their
spouse. Family therapy similar.
You know, if there's one family member who has TDs and it's kind
of ruining life for everybody else.
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Again, focusing on the, the behaviors rather than, you know,
why they have it or trying to fix them from having it.
And then medication for people who have moderate or major
cases, of course, this would be under the care of a psychiatrist
as well as the therapy. And you know, in the things like
I was mentioning, like people ifthey have associated features of
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paranoia and things like that, you know, there's, there's
medication that can help that. Again, always in connection with
therapy. Now The thing is, you know, it's
not anything to laugh about anymore because because we have,
you know, there's, it's really this divisiveness is really
ruining our society. There's law fair, there's family
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breakdowns, there's violence. You know, the police protests
aren't, aren't just peaceful protests.
It's not about the first debate event.
It's they're violent. And then also we, you know, this
whole rush to to assassinate there, you know, between comedy
finding supposedly just coming upon these, these seashells that
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had 8647 on them and then just other, you know, all kinds of
things that are sort of encouraging, encouraging
assassination and violence and violence.
And so we're like turning into third world countries.
Listen, I, I wish we had more time, Doctor Lieberman, but I do
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want to bring you back because you've opened up a whole can of
worms and we should talk about all this.
It's very important. So Doctor Carol Lieberman
joining us here on America TODAY.
All right, we are going to be joined by Doctor Carol
Lieberman, and we're going to talk about Trump Derangement
Syndrome because I'm sure you'veheard it before.
And we want to know, you know, is there some legitimacy to it?
Doctor Lieberman from Los Angeles, thank you so much.
She did write a great book back in 2017 called Lions and Tigers
and Terrorists. Oh my.
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And I thought that was a kind ofa catchy book.
And it was basically a serious approach to helping parents deal
with children's stress from, youknow, what's going on in the
news. And in this particular case,
terrorism was something of a something in 2017.
And then COVID came along. And my goodness, Doctor
Lieberman, you must be a very, very busy person dealing with,
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with stress and anxiety these days, huh?
Well. Yes, of course, you know, when
COVID came, that is, that's why,I mean, it was, you know, the
lockdowns were horrible and all that.
But the one silver lining to it is that besides that, we parents
got to see what's really being taught in schools.
That's a silver lining. But also because we weren't out
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at concerts and things like that, there weren't more terror
attacks. Not big ones anyway, at least
not in America. But we are at the brink.
You know, we've been on on the brink for a long time.
We just had this, this respite because of, of the lockdowns.
But we are we are more in dangertoday of terror attacks than we
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were on 9/11. Oh, no question about that.
There's a lot more attention coming from all sides and
there's no question I, I almost want to split this interview in
two because I've not actually talked to a psycho psychiatrist
since the COVID about the effects that COVID had on
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society. And I sometimes think that many
of us it was, it was horrible doctor, because I saw people
that I loved and I thought I knew.
And then what the Trump thing and everything else that's
happened. It's it, there's something that
has completely changed in the United States in the last five
years. Would you agree with that?
It's different now. Yes, yes.
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Nobody wants to really talk about or acknowledge that things
have changed because of COVID, starting with COVID.
But there's a kind of, there's afirst of all, the first thing is
more awareness of our mortality.And that has affected us in a
lot of ways, none of them good. Well, I mean, you know, in a way
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it's, you know, it's, it's always good to have a, to
realize that life is, is precious and short and all of
that. And therefore you should, you
know, accomplish things and, andnot sit around and, and wait
around to, to accomplish things.But the impact it has had the
other side of that is I'm makingpeople think I have nothing left
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to lose, like I'm going to die soon or sooner than I thought.
And and that is, is at the root of a lot of the violence that's
going on. That plus the fact that during
COVID a lot, because people werehome, they watched a lot of
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people played a lot more hours of violent video games than they
ever had before. And studies going back decades
show that the more violent mediayou consume, especially video
games, the more aggressive you become.
So we come out of COVID and instead of it being, you know,
the, the, and the sun soaked, you know, wonderful Nirvana,
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heaven and all of that, that we were told it was going to be.
Instead, people are like we, we have road rage, we have air
rage, We have more rage than we ever had before.
And it's not a coincidence. Plus, of course, the rage is
that the government for for making us locked down in the 1st
place and for making us take thevaccines, which I never actually
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took, I didn't let my daughter take, but a lot of people did.
And now we realize how dangerousthey really are, you know,
because. Of the well some of us have
that's the the thing there are still a good it's interesting
you bring that because I still know people who have no qualms
about going in getting their booster and they have no qualms
about the fact that there's beenreports of super cancers now and
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more people are getting sick more often.
It's like they're in denial. And that's what makes me think
that a lot of us are suffering from Stockholm syndrome.
And in this case, the governmentis the perpetrator and we are
are are we? We still have this great immense
trust in our institutions when clearly COVID showed us that
they were not trustworthy at all.
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Right. Well, hopefully Fauci will be in
jail at some. Point too.
I find it a website. I had a website during the
during COVID please fire, pleasefire pouchy.com and I listed all
the reasons why and I listed my my prescription for America, the
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the things that people needed todo to get themselves healthy
instead of taking the vaccine. Is it still up?
No, actually, we took it. Darn, I know.
I why shouldn't have taken a dance.
Yeah, you. Shouldn't have I mean, we're
still living the nightmare, you know, in some places, but listen
to our folks all over all acrossthe country that are listening.
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You know, we don't like the division, the people on the, my,
my honest assessment is people who are for Trump really do have
a, you know, I'm not saying thatpeople don't, but the, the, the
MAGA crowd seems to understand the gravity of the situation of
how our government is sort of metastasized into something that
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works against us. And we see examples of us even
this week when we find out that,you know, Obama conspired with a
group of his his inner circle toundermine the president, which
is not what you're supposed to do when you're an elected
official. But what is with the Trump
arrangements? That is because we all sat
around and we could watch like during COVID and all that, and
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we were just fed a nightly menu of, I mean, is this like an
Orwellian thing, like a Samuel Emmanuel Goldstein, where we
many people have just been brainwashed to hate?
Well, I don't think Trump can really be blamed for for for
COVID or for what happened I. Mean he was not necessarily him,
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but just it was during that period where he was in office
and, you know, a lot of us sat around and watch TV and we were
absorbed by the news. And he's an interesting,
fascinating guy. But what I'm trying to, I guess,
ask you is where does all this hatred, this innate hatred come
from? Is it really?
A disorder, yes, I can explain that to you.
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I don't really relate that to Kovid, although I mean, because
the four years of Biden has, youknow, I mean, that was, I mean,
really Trump wasn't man mandating these vaccines.
It was. It was.
I just meant that it was during COVID, you know, there are a lot
more people were playing video games where a lot more people
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were watching TV. That's that's my only correct.
I don't. Yes, yes, yes.
Yeah, I'm just asking where did this hatred come from?
Well, they actually, it did start.
There was Trump Derangement Syndrome in Trump's first term.
But you know, that was when we were, and I even talked about
that in the media, but it was kind of more of a kind of
laughter sort of thing. It wasn't like a a super serious
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thing at that point. I mean, some people thought of
it more seriously, but but in terms of society, it wasn't
having that much of an impact onsociety.
But in this time around during the campaign, you know, from the
time you started running again this time, Well, I mean, also of
course in the the last time, butbut then he didn't supposedly
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didn't win. And, but it's really come about
in it's, it's flourished during the campaign for this term.
And where it comes from, it comes from people not being
happy. Well, first of all, let me give
you the definition, my definition of it.
And, and let me preface this by saying that I have been working
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on this for months now, putting together a diagnostic criteria
proposal with diagnostic criteria for Trump Derangement
Syndrome to send to the AmericanPsychiatric Association, who
writes every several years a book called the Diagnostic and
Statistical Manual. It's like a Dictionary of of
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psychiatric disorders. And so that's why I, you know,
have been spending such a long time on it getting getting the
classifying A mild case, a moderate case and a severe case.
But but the definition is an irrational, quasi psychotic
hatred of anything Trump resulting in rage and over the
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top efforts to destroy him and his work.
And this can spread to people who are closely associated with
him. I mean, we saw, for example, the
madness of about the Teslas and also, you know, how JD Vance was
blamed for the death of Pope Francis and all of that.
My guess is Doctor Carol Lieberman.
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We're talking about Trump Derangement Syndrome.
Who has it, And when we get back, how do we fix it?
Coming up, America Today continues.
(10:07):
All right, welcome back to America TODAY.
Jim Watkins here. It's good to have you.
Don't forget to follow the podcast on your favorite podcast
player. Just look for America TODAY with
Jim Watkins. Or you can just go to
jimwatkins.org. And we are talking with Doctor
Carol Lieberman. She is Los Angeles based a an
experienced trained psychiatristand she has written many books
(10:30):
about dealing with tension and anxiety.
Carol, what's behind the rage? So it comes from from people
having conflicts with their parents.
Well, first of all, it it, it takes root in people who have
psychological problems to begin with.
And these are particularly people who have unresolved
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childhood conflicts with their parents or other authority
figures, people who have low self esteem, disappointments,
bubbling resentments that they project onto Trump.
They blame Trump for the reason why their life isn't perfect and
they obsess about him instead ofimproving their own lot.
So, so then I go into the and, and in particular, men who are,
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who have TDs are men who are jealous of Trump's, like Trump
is a, a, an alpha male and they're jealous of all the
things, you know, all of who he is because they are the things
that stereotypically men are supposed to get like a gorgeous
wife, a lot of money, a lot of power, two time president of the
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United States. So they are jealous of him and
envious of him and blame him forall the things that are lacking
in their lives. Man, I'm just, I'm loving this
one. But let me ask you a quick
question. As a, as a psychiatrist, Doctor
Lieberman, I'm sure you've seen a rise of, of couples or at
least one, maybe the husband or the wife coming to see you about
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their anger about Trump. And I know you can't obviously
talk about your clients, but have you seen a rise in this
kind of yes? Yes, so yes, there are divorces,
there are divorce, you know, of course, friendships being broken
up over Trump Derangement syndrome.
Also people being fired over Trump Derangement Syndrome or,
or quitting because they don't get along with their other the
(12:24):
other people at their work and then couples, yes you know, I
mean, and it's so absurd. I mean, it's so sad that that,
you know, Lung is supposed to trump Trump Derangement
Syndrome. Well, like when you see people
getting on an airplane and they see somebody with a Red Hat and
they get triggered by that. So that's a triggering effect,
(12:47):
right? And and so, so the underlying
reasons are that person is predisposed some some sort of
mental disorder anyway. Well, yes, I mean, often there
are associated symptoms, psychiatric symptoms that people
can have along with the symptomsthat I can tell you about with
the with Trump Derangement Syndrome.
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But it also can be associated with one or more of these
general psychiatric symptoms like 1 is anosogo anosognose
that's very hard to pronounce Anex nausea and those though
nausea, which is an inability torecognize or understand the that
the impact that TDs has on them.Then anxiety and depression,
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obsessive compulsive disorder, hysteria, paranoia, sociopathy,
psychopathy, suicidal thoughts, delusions, loss of touch with
reality, mass psychosis, anger, irritability or rage as seen as
prominent features in intermittent explosive disorder,
disruptive mood dysregulation disorder, oppositional defiance
disorder. So these are symptoms that can
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be associated with TDs, but I, Ialso designated symptoms for
each of the, you know, mild, moderate and and severe, mild,
moderate and severe. And so, for example, mild mild
are is when someone reels at themention of Trump's name or songs
(14:17):
associated with him like YMCA and God bless you USA.
We've all seen these kind of people, right?
And they have a need to criticize and and use
expletives, yelling or throwing something at the TV like Trump
appears. So.
Well, you know, I'm making a, I'm in the middle of making a
website to go with this. It's called the Trump
(14:40):
derangementsyndrome.com. It's not up yet.
It's not, you know, there's nothing there right now and
there's nothing that the public can see right now.
I also have a quiz. And so, so it has these, you
know, these symptoms, but like, do you have such and such?
Then stammering when asked what's not to like about Trump
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and an inability to come up withanything that makes reasonable
sense. Incapacity to be able to state
what policy is objectionable or why.
Deflecting instead with statements like, oh, you know,
he's just awful. Expressing hatred of Trump in
TikTok rants, other social mediaposts or public forums.
So if you have three out of those, you have a mild case,
(15:22):
three or more, you have a mild case of TBS.
The media does help to bring it out because, and in fact, and in
fact the View is, is one of my examples of the Miles case.
I was kind of generous A mild case of TDs.
So the media, you know, when yousee the women on the View, for
(15:43):
example, talking about these kinds of things, you know,
criticizing Trump all the time, that gives you the sense that
you are right in your TDs. It it sort of solidifies or
helps to bring out exacerbate the TBS so.
What's the cure? Well.
This is the cure I have. I recommended.
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First of all, you know, I know most psychiatrists, they've
turned into pill pushers these days.
Not I. And I'm so against that.
I mean, I'm not against medication if you need it for
whatever it is symptoms that youhave, but I'm certainly against
being a pill pushing doctor. People go to psychiatrists for
help and they get a prescriptionand you know, that's not going
(16:27):
to help, but the drugs alone arenot going to help anything.
You need therapy. All right, Anyway, my, my
treatment recommendations. But people with super mild cases
of CDs, I recommend logic based therapy or rational emotive
behavior therapy. This is basically, you know,
this would be describing things that Trump has already done that
(16:49):
would benefit them, such as his executive orders or things like
that. But this is only you know, so
it's like rational therapy only if they have my very mild cases.
It's not healthy to have rage, right?
Well, right, yes, it's very actually it's dangerous for your
physical body to have rage aboutanything, to hold that in.
That's how you get ulcers, that's how you get heart
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attacks, all kinds of things. If you really have TDs, even
mild TDs, it's not logical. So it's hard to treat it with
logic. Then individual psychotherapy
for all levels of TDs, not on trying to change their mind
about Trump because they would just leave, never come back to
therapy, but it would be directed at their underlying
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problems and frustrations that make them vulnerable to having
TDs. So, for example, for men,
helping them with their masculine insecurity issues or
helping women cope with dysfunctional relationships with
men, then couples and family therapy.
That's to address what you were talking about that, you know,
trying to prevent people from getting divorced again, you
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know, focusing on the behaviors that the spouse has who has TDs,
not their beliefs, you know, just trying to sort of get them
to, to curb their behaviors in relation to their to their
spouse. Family therapy similar.
You know, if there's one family member who has TDs and it's kind
of ruining life for everybody else.
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Again, focusing on the, the behaviors rather than, you know,
why they have it or trying to fix them from having it.
And then medication for people who have moderate or major
cases, of course, this would be under the care of a psychiatrist
as well as the therapy. And you know, in the things like
I was mentioning, like people ifthey have associated features of
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paranoia and things like that, you know, there's, there's
medication that can help that. Again, always in connection with
therapy. Now The thing is, you know, it's
not anything to laugh about anymore because because we have,
you know, there's, it's really this divisiveness is really
ruining our society. There's law fair, there's family
(19:02):
breakdowns, there's violence. You know, the police protests
aren't, aren't just peaceful protests.
It's not about the first debate event.
It's they're violent. And then also we, you know, this
whole rush to to assassinate there, you know, between comedy
finding supposedly just coming upon these, these seashells that
(19:25):
had 8647 on them and then just other, you know, all kinds of
things that are sort of encouraging, encouraging
assassination and violence and violence.
And so we're like turning into third world countries.
Listen, I, I wish we had more time, Doctor Lieberman, but I do
(19:46):
want to bring you back because you've opened up a whole can of
worms and we should talk about all this.
It's very important. So Doctor Carol Lieberman
joining us here on America TODAY.
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