June 20, 2025 • 19 mins
Historian and author of Who We Are: America's Fight for Universal Progress, from Franklin to Kennedy: Volume II - 1830s to 1890s.Anton Chaitkin joins us to talk about the current conflict in the Middle East, the globalist agenda to perpetuate "forever wars," and why America must resist the forces who use war to build a elite, globalist emoire.
It's an intriguing look at our past and present to forecast what we can expect for the future under current conditions.
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(00:08):
Welcome back to America Today. My guest now on a history note
and talking about the current state of affairs is Anton
Chaitkin, historian. And I'm very happy about your
new book, which is entitled Who We Are, America's Fight for
Universal Progress. And we're going to talk about
Iran and America's involvement and what some of your concerns
are. So welcome to America Today.
(00:29):
You believe your position is similar to what we're hearing
from people like Steve Bannon and Tucker Carlson, some
conservative influencers, that we should not be dragged into
this Iran war. So how concerned are you that
that might happen? Yeah, the people are right who
(00:50):
say that they, like Tucker, say that there's peace, people who
want peace versus the war mongers.
And that's the fundamental divide in the world.
But you have to get into the history of what who are the the
peacemakers versus the warmongers that this is the
history that I've brought out ina revolutionary new core
(01:14):
strategic history of the USA. 2 volumes so far.
I'm working on the 20th century now, but the our side, the were
economic nationalists and they built up all the chief
industries of our country, steel, electricity, railroads,
(01:34):
canals, nuclear science and the space, the deep space program.
The other side were the British Empire and their their friends.
And that that that is that included the Wall Street
financiers and the southern slave owners, anti industrial,
anti US interests. So that's the globalists and
(01:59):
they took our industry down and got us in a succession of wars
against our interests after the they murdered the Kennedy
brothers. That's my view.
So this recent attack, you have to see this as a twin attack
that was launched against the byUkraine and by Israel.
(02:21):
And it was coordinated by Ukraine against the remember the
the Russian bombers, strategic bombers deep inside Russia, and
by Israel against Iran, both of them coordinated by this
international intelligence consortium of aim of the
British, I think the Israelis and the faction of our
(02:45):
intelligence that is loyal to those globalists.
And you. One of the hallmarks of these
two attacks was the placing of drones inside both Russia and
Iran. The purpose of these attacks was
to try to derail what Trump and others that wanted to do, which
(03:05):
is to restore American industry and stop the wars.
Whether Trump does that or you know, whatever he actually
wants, really the voters want that Americans, a large majority
are in favor of rebuilding the United States and having peace
(03:26):
and calm so that we can get backto the kind of skill levels and
and prosperous family oriented country that we that we had in
the past that was based on protection, high wages and a
devotion of the credit of the country to industry.
Now the globalists are for the British Empire strategy is for
(03:51):
constant war against the right of self government.
They don't believe any country has the right to rise.
They want to set rules for everycountry against modernization.
And it was the USA that brought nuclear science to Iran.
That has to be remembered. That was our patriots, the enemy
(04:13):
side, the Dulles faction, later the Cheney, Bush, you know, Liz
Cheney was in this too. In 2003, Dulles faction
overthrew the democratic government of Iran and 53
breaking with our tradition. And you know, Eisenhower tried
(04:33):
to get he actually had Atoms ForPeace for Iran.
Kennedy proposed nuclear power plants for the entire world,
Desalina tion projects for jointprojects for Israel and its
Muslim neighbors, for Pakistan and India and so forth.
So the these wars are are are designed by this British
(04:58):
oriented faction, this transnational faction to derail
American influence in the world,real independence for the idea
of self government and progress.They also have the green agenda
which says denies the right of countries to have the modern
(05:18):
energy sources like nuclear power and dams and to rise in a
standard of living. They condemn the the poor of the
world to to destruction and theythey ultimately this is the
cause of the wars. So our interest as a nation is
to shut these wars down, to cooperate with the other
(05:41):
countries, to guarantee securityand in the Middle East and and
elsewhere and get back to the greatness of our country, which
is which has has a root in this ancient concept of self
government against the imperialist system.
Anton Chaitkin, I want to just to reintroduce you to those just
(06:04):
joining us. He's the author of his second
edition of the book Who We Are, America's Fight for Universal
Progress. What you're suggesting here, and
it's a simple 1, is that the military industrial complex is
still driving policy. I want to play a clip from a war
expert that was on earlier today.
His name is Michael Pillsbury. You may know him, but he had
(06:28):
this to say about what Trump is trying to do and how the media
itself is is collaborating to make him look weak.
Take a listen to this SO. I very much doubt that there are
nuclear weapons on these 3740 sevens.
It's going to be another exampleof where commentators make
irresponsible claims and they need to be held to account
(06:48):
afterwards. If there's no nuclear weapons on
the planes, if they're just going to evacuate their embassy,
somebody needs to apologize for these.
While frankly, actually they're designed to make President Trump
look soft. These people making these
forecasts or these scenarios, they always have a theme that
Trump is not soft, is too soft on China.
(07:09):
I think they undermine what President Trump's trying to do,
which is have a legacy of peace and prosperity.
He's been really clear. Now, earlier in that interview,
Anton, he talks about how even China is is wanting to sort of
negotiate this. They don't want war.
They don't want more. Of this exactly.
So again. There's no, Yeah, go ahead.
(07:29):
No. Just to again, it reveals why
these forces are so against whatTrump's trying to do.
Trump is actually living up to his word.
He wants to be peace driven. I think people have to have a
really tough skin to re evaluateour history because we're going
(07:50):
to have to think deeply and we're going to have to, we're
going to be buffeted about as weget into the truth of these
things. You can't get, for example, that
what about 911? You can't get to the truth of
that by simply digging in the rubble of the buildings and
trying to find perpetrators and so forth.
You have to look at this history.
(08:11):
Why did the the Dulles faction work with this with British MI 6
to overthrow the democratic government of Iran in 53?
They they did this to break withthe American legacy of aid and
comfort to the growth of other countries.
(08:34):
Not spending taxpayers money, but allowing these countries to
do as we did to to have self government.
Dulles and his faction didn't want that the Brit because they
serve this British Empire purpose and they were great
Anglophiles. And and so the result of that
(08:54):
that overthrow of the Mossadegh government in Iran was was great
hostility to the United States. We we sacrifice, they sacrifices
Dulles factions sacrifice our interest.
Then you get the assassination of Kennedy.
Dulles is in the middle of that and they these are enemies of
(09:15):
mankind because they denied us the right to self government by
murdering our president and his brother and doctor Martin Luther
King. I think that was a triple
assassination. So then you have this war by
Dick Cheney and and George Bush.They claimed that Saddam Hussein
had this uranium from Africa andhad an active nuclear weapons
(09:38):
program and it was a falsehood. And they tried to suppress those
members of the intelligence community who tried to get the
truth of it and, and, and, and get this circulating.
So this is the purpose of these attacks was to get, and this is
(09:59):
the hardest thing for people to understand, why would Americans,
and this goes back to Teddy Roosevelt, why would Americans
attack other countries in what what they must have known in
advance would cause hatred of our country and lose influence
(10:20):
for our country? It's because they were not
dedicated to the United States, its interests and its in
independence. You go back to the Mexican War.
This was led by slave owners andnot just slave owners, but the
most radical imperialistic ones who who wanted to have a
(10:42):
Southern empire. They wanted to spread slavery
and and take over Latin America and destroy the USA.
They were part of the British Empire.
They exported the cotton to England.
They didn't want us to have industry.
Abraham Lincoln opposed that waragainst Mexico.
He said it was it was based on lies by the president of Frank
(11:04):
Polk, James Polk, who who launched that war.
And so that cost him his career until he later was was made
president. He was in Congress at that time.
When he was president, he had toface the same faction that had
made that war against Mexico. Now they were leading the South
in a treason against our countryto break up the USA and the
(11:27):
British supplied them with warships.
This, this has there's a continual history of this
faction. It's in my book.
Yeah, I have to say I love history.
And what you're telling me is, is is just so fascinating.
So it it kind of explains the deep state.
I mean, the deep state here is acontinuous effort to work with
(11:50):
the globalists, but they're working actually against
Americans progress. Isn't that strange to you?
It's strange until you see what our side is all about.
And my books is mainly about ourside from Franklin to Kennedy.
Look at the people who built therailroads.
(12:10):
They were patriots and they werenationalists.
All railroads in the beginning were community projects.
John Quincy Adams assigned the Army engineers to build the
first railroads, which with the first one was the Baltimore and
(12:30):
High Railroad and and the citiesand states invested in these
railroads. The and of course the
Transcontinental railroad and federal project.
The the steel industry was builtby the Pennsylvania Railroad who
were economic nationalists supporting Lincoln and
(12:53):
supporting high tariffs, supporting also easy money that
would be directed by federal design into productive industry,
not speculation. They built the steel industry,
they started the petroleum industry, they sponsored Edison.
This Philadelphia nationalist, Traction Edison, was in the
(13:15):
nationalist side. He had partners in Germany and
other countries too, and we spread electricity to the world.
So what was the what was the story that Americans got after
the murder of Kennedy? They were told that the United
(13:37):
States was built up to its powerby an imperialistic racist
policy, by free trade, by killing the Indians, by having
slavery and by exploiting other countries.
In other words, the British Empire as imposed on U.S.
(14:00):
history. Well, yes, we did kill Indians,
and that was a crime. It was largely a great crime of
our country. And to understand that to to
effectively criticize that you have to appreciate what America
accomplished trying to have a Republic.
(14:22):
And, and so in these instances, we didn't live up to our ideals.
There was plenty of of of room and land for for Indians and the
new settlers. We didn't have to rob them.
You know, it's settled agricultural communities that
were, were were robbed and and massacred and then they were
(14:42):
they would have we have a treatywith with Indians to to make get
a new push them to new land. You know, this original policy
goes back to the slave owners and people like Andrew Jackson
who were anti national. They said we're going to spread
slavery. We're going to we're going to
(15:04):
have self greedy self-interest rather than the harmony of
interest. We should have extended the hand
of friendship to the Indians whose way of life we were taking
down. We should have given them the
resources they needed in terms of agricultural tools, in terms
(15:27):
of education, in terms of capital to, to build up their
part in our more modern civilization.
So, but it's slavery was a drag on our country.
And the slave owners, which were, were part of the political
faction, the globalist faction that said America should not be
(15:47):
allowed to industrialize slaverydidn't build this country.
It, it was a, it was a disaster for the United States.
The colonial legislatures and colonial revolutionary faction
tried to overthrow slavery and they made laws against it.
And the British Parliament and king nullified those laws.
(16:11):
So this is, this is a fight between 2, not just two ways of
life, but two philosophies. And at our best, we were on the
side of the angels. And that means providing decent
living standards for people, notjust talking about human rights
in a way that doesn't take real interest into account.
(16:33):
What about our interests? The interests of our people in
high skilled, high wage jobs? The other side claims that the
only rights there are are the right of some elite to dominate
the world and claim to be doing it in the name of human rights.
So that's those, that's the fight all throughout our
(16:55):
history. And it starts with the English
Industrial Revolution with Franklin go in there in the
colonial times trying to make industry in England and working
with geniuses in England like Bolton and Watt and Priestly and
and Wedgwood, the Lunar Society that that he was the spark plug
(17:20):
for. Those are the kind of people,
anti imperialist and anti slavery Englishman who worked
with Franklin, who actually created their industry.
The the British government led by the East India Company said
that's great. We'll use these powers, the
steam engine and other things for our empire.
(17:41):
And we won't allow any other country to get these powers,
including America. Franklin had to flee for his
life in 1775. He came back to America and
help. He and Washington were the real
leaders of the American Revolution.
And we were faced with this dilemma.
England now had these powers over nature.
(18:03):
We had to have them or we would lose our independence.
We'd be flooded with cheap imports and we would, we would
not be able to compete and, and,and live in the modern world.
They would, they would destroy us.
They would find ways to destroy the country and so we have to
have industry. We've only.
Got about a minute left and I don't want to lose the the focus
(18:25):
here. Based on everything that I've
heard you say, am I? Am I rightly guessing that you
believe in Trump's policy and that he's on the right track?
I believe in the policy that he campaigned for.
What is his policy now? He, he's been keeping the world
on, you know, on, on tenterhookshere for, for, for quite a while
(18:46):
as Israel attacked. I think that you have to, we
need new leadership that is going to fulfill what Trump
campaigned on, which is peace and rebuilding the USA to become
the power again that it was and have the influence that it had.
I believe in what he said and, and I, I leave it up to, you
(19:07):
know, the people to fight for those things.
There's a big fight going on inside the MAGA movement right
now between these two sides or mongers versus people that want
to want to have civilization. That's that's what it's about.
We've got a hard break and I do appreciate Anton Chait can get
his book if you like what he's talking about.
(19:27):
And boy, it's true. The more you know about about
history, the more you can see the future, who we are.
America's fight for universe progress volume to Anton, thank
you so much for joining me here on America TODAY.
Hang on a little bit more of America Today.
What's trending on social in a moment?
Welcome back to America Today. My guest now on a history note
and talking about the current state of affairs is Anton
Chaitkin, historian. And I'm very happy about your
new book, which is entitled Who We Are, America's Fight for
Universal Progress. And we're going to talk about
Iran and America's involvement and what some of your concerns
are. So welcome to America Today.
(00:29):
You believe your position is similar to what we're hearing
from people like Steve Bannon and Tucker Carlson, some
conservative influencers, that we should not be dragged into
this Iran war. So how concerned are you that
that might happen? Yeah, the people are right who
(00:50):
say that they, like Tucker, say that there's peace, people who
want peace versus the war mongers.
And that's the fundamental divide in the world.
But you have to get into the history of what who are the the
peacemakers versus the warmongers that this is the
history that I've brought out ina revolutionary new core
(01:14):
strategic history of the USA. 2 volumes so far.
I'm working on the 20th century now, but the our side, the were
economic nationalists and they built up all the chief
industries of our country, steel, electricity, railroads,
(01:34):
canals, nuclear science and the space, the deep space program.
The other side were the British Empire and their their friends.
And that that that is that included the Wall Street
financiers and the southern slave owners, anti industrial,
anti US interests. So that's the globalists and
(01:59):
they took our industry down and got us in a succession of wars
against our interests after the they murdered the Kennedy
brothers. That's my view.
So this recent attack, you have to see this as a twin attack
that was launched against the byUkraine and by Israel.
(02:21):
And it was coordinated by Ukraine against the remember the
the Russian bombers, strategic bombers deep inside Russia, and
by Israel against Iran, both of them coordinated by this
international intelligence consortium of aim of the
British, I think the Israelis and the faction of our
(02:45):
intelligence that is loyal to those globalists.
And you. One of the hallmarks of these
two attacks was the placing of drones inside both Russia and
Iran. The purpose of these attacks was
to try to derail what Trump and others that wanted to do, which
(03:05):
is to restore American industry and stop the wars.
Whether Trump does that or you know, whatever he actually
wants, really the voters want that Americans, a large majority
are in favor of rebuilding the United States and having peace
(03:26):
and calm so that we can get backto the kind of skill levels and
and prosperous family oriented country that we that we had in
the past that was based on protection, high wages and a
devotion of the credit of the country to industry.
Now the globalists are for the British Empire strategy is for
(03:51):
constant war against the right of self government.
They don't believe any country has the right to rise.
They want to set rules for everycountry against modernization.
And it was the USA that brought nuclear science to Iran.
That has to be remembered. That was our patriots, the enemy
(04:13):
side, the Dulles faction, later the Cheney, Bush, you know, Liz
Cheney was in this too. In 2003, Dulles faction
overthrew the democratic government of Iran and 53
breaking with our tradition. And you know, Eisenhower tried
(04:33):
to get he actually had Atoms ForPeace for Iran.
Kennedy proposed nuclear power plants for the entire world,
Desalina tion projects for jointprojects for Israel and its
Muslim neighbors, for Pakistan and India and so forth.
So the these wars are are are designed by this British
(04:58):
oriented faction, this transnational faction to derail
American influence in the world,real independence for the idea
of self government and progress.They also have the green agenda
which says denies the right of countries to have the modern
(05:18):
energy sources like nuclear power and dams and to rise in a
standard of living. They condemn the the poor of the
world to to destruction and theythey ultimately this is the
cause of the wars. So our interest as a nation is
to shut these wars down, to cooperate with the other
(05:41):
countries, to guarantee securityand in the Middle East and and
elsewhere and get back to the greatness of our country, which
is which has has a root in this ancient concept of self
government against the imperialist system.
Anton Chaitkin, I want to just to reintroduce you to those just
(06:04):
joining us. He's the author of his second
edition of the book Who We Are, America's Fight for Universal
Progress. What you're suggesting here, and
it's a simple 1, is that the military industrial complex is
still driving policy. I want to play a clip from a war
expert that was on earlier today.
His name is Michael Pillsbury. You may know him, but he had
(06:28):
this to say about what Trump is trying to do and how the media
itself is is collaborating to make him look weak.
Take a listen to this SO. I very much doubt that there are
nuclear weapons on these 3740 sevens.
It's going to be another exampleof where commentators make
irresponsible claims and they need to be held to account
(06:48):
afterwards. If there's no nuclear weapons on
the planes, if they're just going to evacuate their embassy,
somebody needs to apologize for these.
While frankly, actually they're designed to make President Trump
look soft. These people making these
forecasts or these scenarios, they always have a theme that
Trump is not soft, is too soft on China.
(07:09):
I think they undermine what President Trump's trying to do,
which is have a legacy of peace and prosperity.
He's been really clear. Now, earlier in that interview,
Anton, he talks about how even China is is wanting to sort of
negotiate this. They don't want war.
They don't want more. Of this exactly.
So again. There's no, Yeah, go ahead.
(07:29):
No. Just to again, it reveals why
these forces are so against whatTrump's trying to do.
Trump is actually living up to his word.
He wants to be peace driven. I think people have to have a
really tough skin to re evaluateour history because we're going
(07:50):
to have to think deeply and we're going to have to, we're
going to be buffeted about as weget into the truth of these
things. You can't get, for example, that
what about 911? You can't get to the truth of
that by simply digging in the rubble of the buildings and
trying to find perpetrators and so forth.
You have to look at this history.
(08:11):
Why did the the Dulles faction work with this with British MI 6
to overthrow the democratic government of Iran in 53?
They they did this to break withthe American legacy of aid and
comfort to the growth of other countries.
(08:34):
Not spending taxpayers money, but allowing these countries to
do as we did to to have self government.
Dulles and his faction didn't want that the Brit because they
serve this British Empire purpose and they were great
Anglophiles. And and so the result of that
(08:54):
that overthrow of the Mossadegh government in Iran was was great
hostility to the United States. We we sacrifice, they sacrifices
Dulles factions sacrifice our interest.
Then you get the assassination of Kennedy.
Dulles is in the middle of that and they these are enemies of
(09:15):
mankind because they denied us the right to self government by
murdering our president and his brother and doctor Martin Luther
King. I think that was a triple
assassination. So then you have this war by
Dick Cheney and and George Bush.They claimed that Saddam Hussein
had this uranium from Africa andhad an active nuclear weapons
(09:38):
program and it was a falsehood. And they tried to suppress those
members of the intelligence community who tried to get the
truth of it and, and, and, and get this circulating.
So this is the purpose of these attacks was to get, and this is
(09:59):
the hardest thing for people to understand, why would Americans,
and this goes back to Teddy Roosevelt, why would Americans
attack other countries in what what they must have known in
advance would cause hatred of our country and lose influence
(10:20):
for our country? It's because they were not
dedicated to the United States, its interests and its in
independence. You go back to the Mexican War.
This was led by slave owners andnot just slave owners, but the
most radical imperialistic ones who who wanted to have a
(10:42):
Southern empire. They wanted to spread slavery
and and take over Latin America and destroy the USA.
They were part of the British Empire.
They exported the cotton to England.
They didn't want us to have industry.
Abraham Lincoln opposed that waragainst Mexico.
He said it was it was based on lies by the president of Frank
(11:04):
Polk, James Polk, who who launched that war.
And so that cost him his career until he later was was made
president. He was in Congress at that time.
When he was president, he had toface the same faction that had
made that war against Mexico. Now they were leading the South
in a treason against our countryto break up the USA and the
(11:27):
British supplied them with warships.
This, this has there's a continual history of this
faction. It's in my book.
Yeah, I have to say I love history.
And what you're telling me is, is is just so fascinating.
So it it kind of explains the deep state.
I mean, the deep state here is acontinuous effort to work with
(11:50):
the globalists, but they're working actually against
Americans progress. Isn't that strange to you?
It's strange until you see what our side is all about.
And my books is mainly about ourside from Franklin to Kennedy.
Look at the people who built therailroads.
(12:10):
They were patriots and they werenationalists.
All railroads in the beginning were community projects.
John Quincy Adams assigned the Army engineers to build the
first railroads, which with the first one was the Baltimore and
(12:30):
High Railroad and and the citiesand states invested in these
railroads. The and of course the
Transcontinental railroad and federal project.
The the steel industry was builtby the Pennsylvania Railroad who
were economic nationalists supporting Lincoln and
(12:53):
supporting high tariffs, supporting also easy money that
would be directed by federal design into productive industry,
not speculation. They built the steel industry,
they started the petroleum industry, they sponsored Edison.
This Philadelphia nationalist, Traction Edison, was in the
(13:15):
nationalist side. He had partners in Germany and
other countries too, and we spread electricity to the world.
So what was the what was the story that Americans got after
the murder of Kennedy? They were told that the United
(13:37):
States was built up to its powerby an imperialistic racist
policy, by free trade, by killing the Indians, by having
slavery and by exploiting other countries.
In other words, the British Empire as imposed on U.S.
(14:00):
history. Well, yes, we did kill Indians,
and that was a crime. It was largely a great crime of
our country. And to understand that to to
effectively criticize that you have to appreciate what America
accomplished trying to have a Republic.
(14:22):
And, and so in these instances, we didn't live up to our ideals.
There was plenty of of of room and land for for Indians and the
new settlers. We didn't have to rob them.
You know, it's settled agricultural communities that
were, were were robbed and and massacred and then they were
(14:42):
they would have we have a treatywith with Indians to to make get
a new push them to new land. You know, this original policy
goes back to the slave owners and people like Andrew Jackson
who were anti national. They said we're going to spread
slavery. We're going to we're going to
(15:04):
have self greedy self-interest rather than the harmony of
interest. We should have extended the hand
of friendship to the Indians whose way of life we were taking
down. We should have given them the
resources they needed in terms of agricultural tools, in terms
(15:27):
of education, in terms of capital to, to build up their
part in our more modern civilization.
So, but it's slavery was a drag on our country.
And the slave owners, which were, were part of the political
faction, the globalist faction that said America should not be
(15:47):
allowed to industrialize slaverydidn't build this country.
It, it was a, it was a disaster for the United States.
The colonial legislatures and colonial revolutionary faction
tried to overthrow slavery and they made laws against it.
And the British Parliament and king nullified those laws.
(16:11):
So this is, this is a fight between 2, not just two ways of
life, but two philosophies. And at our best, we were on the
side of the angels. And that means providing decent
living standards for people, notjust talking about human rights
in a way that doesn't take real interest into account.
(16:33):
What about our interests? The interests of our people in
high skilled, high wage jobs? The other side claims that the
only rights there are are the right of some elite to dominate
the world and claim to be doing it in the name of human rights.
So that's those, that's the fight all throughout our
(16:55):
history. And it starts with the English
Industrial Revolution with Franklin go in there in the
colonial times trying to make industry in England and working
with geniuses in England like Bolton and Watt and Priestly and
and Wedgwood, the Lunar Society that that he was the spark plug
(17:20):
for. Those are the kind of people,
anti imperialist and anti slavery Englishman who worked
with Franklin, who actually created their industry.
The the British government led by the East India Company said
that's great. We'll use these powers, the
steam engine and other things for our empire.
(17:41):
And we won't allow any other country to get these powers,
including America. Franklin had to flee for his
life in 1775. He came back to America and
help. He and Washington were the real
leaders of the American Revolution.
And we were faced with this dilemma.
England now had these powers over nature.
(18:03):
We had to have them or we would lose our independence.
We'd be flooded with cheap imports and we would, we would
not be able to compete and, and,and live in the modern world.
They would, they would destroy us.
They would find ways to destroy the country and so we have to
have industry. We've only.
Got about a minute left and I don't want to lose the the focus
(18:25):
here. Based on everything that I've
heard you say, am I? Am I rightly guessing that you
believe in Trump's policy and that he's on the right track?
I believe in the policy that he campaigned for.
What is his policy now? He, he's been keeping the world
on, you know, on, on tenterhookshere for, for, for quite a while
(18:46):
as Israel attacked. I think that you have to, we
need new leadership that is going to fulfill what Trump
campaigned on, which is peace and rebuilding the USA to become
the power again that it was and have the influence that it had.
I believe in what he said and, and I, I leave it up to, you
(19:07):
know, the people to fight for those things.
There's a big fight going on inside the MAGA movement right
now between these two sides or mongers versus people that want
to want to have civilization. That's that's what it's about.
We've got a hard break and I do appreciate Anton Chait can get
his book if you like what he's talking about.
(19:27):
And boy, it's true. The more you know about about
history, the more you can see the future, who we are.
America's fight for universe progress volume to Anton, thank
you so much for joining me here on America TODAY.
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