Gather around everyone, as we welcome the delightful Anjali Bhimani to our beloved podcast! Anjali, a master performer, shares with us her inspiring journey from a passionate child performer to a successful professional artist. We also delve into the fascinating intricacies of character-building—an essential lesson for storytellers and TTRPG enthusiasts. Prepare to be captivated!
This episode is not all serious chatter, though. We're stepping into the exciting realm of board games, challenging ourselves and our listeners to guess if certain game pitches are real or just figments of our creative minds. From 'Business Monkeys' to 'Wow, the Pillow Fight Game'—we guarantee a hearty laugh and a test to your game knowledge. So, think you have what it takes to ace our little game?
But there's more! We wrap up our episode with a heartening discussion on Anjali's hurdles and triumphs in her career. She generously shares her wisdom on the importance of taking a break when needed and leveraging the abundance of others towards personal success. It's a combination of humor, wisdom, and inspiring anecdotes—leaving you with a delightful podcast experience you wouldn't want to miss! Come, join us!
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
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You did, anyway, you did.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hey everybody, welcome to ABCD.
I'm your, I'm your host, butI'm going to introduce my, my
lovely co-host.
He you've seen him in dimension20, but only because dimensions
one through 19 wouldn't haveanything to do with him.
Fools, fools, a lot of them.
That's Omar Najam.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you, oh, thank you,
thank you.
Thank you, folks, I would liketo introduce your host for this
week.
He has a monopoly on sayingsorry.
It's Sandeep Parikh.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Nice, I own all the sorry's, I own all the apologies
.
You get none.
By the way, I'm not justhosting, I'm Prime Minister, as
if you don't.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Oh, that's OK.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
The Prime.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Minister of the show.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
I don't know if I believed in the electoral
process that you?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
are you calling the election fraudulent Is?
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that what's happening .
I am 100% calling the electionfraudulent.
If it wasn't fraudulent, Iwould have won.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
You're going to destroy our democracy.
You're going to destroy it.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
It's been built on lies and I was hoping to
capitalize on those lies andthey came back and put me in the
ass.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Well, listen if you don't know what the heck we're
talking about.
We're talking about our lastweek's show, but this week's
show is all that matters.
Ok, and it's called ABCD.
It's American born ChattieDesi's.
It's a podcast, but we'reactually in a live stream and
that's inside of our lives astwo American born Desi's.
It's a pod duck in.
Ladies and gentlemen, this isfor anyone out there who, like
us, me and Omar, are navigatingour cultural identities and just
(01:47):
kind of want to chat it out.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
We are so excited because todaywe are going to be discussing
board games a little bit, but,more importantly, we're joined
by our very, very good friend,anjali Bhimani yes, who is?
We're essentially going to do areally fun announcement about
Gen Con.
I don't want to ruin it.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
That's going to come later in the podcast and about
Desi Quest is a fun announcementabout that I don't want to ruin
it.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I don't want to ruin it, but we get to sit down and
chat with our friend and aspiritual guide.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
I mean right, I mean I think she's my guru now.
I mean so we're listen, we're alittle insider based bubble.
We recorded, recording thisafter we did the interview.
Ok, and I just want to I'mgoing to prime the pump here,
because that interview wasawesome.
She, I feel like I just gotdropped like I don't know, like
a tome of wisdom, like, yes, youknow, I feel like I was like,
(02:41):
did I just read a Veda?
Like what happened?
Speaker 1 (02:43):
here I feel enlightened.
I feel stronger, better,smarter.
Definitely, and then after thatwe play a little game with
Anjali, which is.
There's a couple of board gamesthat are weird.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
And just a couple, just a couple.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
And they have to guess.
Are these real board games?
Are they games that Delvin andI came up with?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
I'm going to say this already easily one of the best
games we've ever played.
So you're in for a real treatfor this episode of ABCD.
Why don't we jump right in to?
Speaker 3 (03:17):
our interview with Anjali Bhimani oh yeah, oh my
gosh, I told you.
I told you, this is a big deal,my god.
So much for me.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
We sold out our auditorium because of you.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Yes, I just like to thank my mom and I'd like to
thank I don't know, I'm stoppingthat joke, it's not funny, I
just aborted it completely.
I was like no, I give up onthat one what's the opposite of
yes and no?
But Because anything else that.
I was going to say was going tooffend me.
(03:57):
So I was like I don't want tosay any of these things on this
podcast right now.
So we are off to a stunningstart.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
We're off to the races.
We're doing it.
This is amazing.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Should we you want to talk about it some?
More I want to get it to it.
Can we actually do a director'scommentary?
Yes, please.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Just say it back and do a director's commentary.
Yeah, anjali, I got to behonest.
It's better than maybe all ofour opening jokes that we've
done for the 23 episodes of ABCD.
We're doing great.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
I should not have given up on myself.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
No, no yeah.
That's number one to everybody.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Do not discount yourself for the rest of the
world.
There are plenty of people whowill say you suck.
You don't have to say it toyourself.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
A little bit of wisdom, I can just cut the last
question, which is what advicewould you give to people?
Because there it is, don't cutyourself.
That's just one piece.
But the director called cut.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
You don't have to cut on yourself.
We're in the pre-pod, so maybebring it up again and then you
know.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Are we in the pre-pod , though?
What is it?
Speaker 2 (04:57):
We're going to go very fast.
It's just to say hi to our chat.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Oh hi, chatty.
Honestly, I think we're Where'schat, did I follow?
Speaker 2 (05:06):
them.
I think we're just going tocall this the pod.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
This is just the pod now.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
This is just it.
Should we just pop right in?
We got underly for till 830.
Okay, and so we're just going.
We're gonna do this.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
That's right Only.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Since you're playing auntie right now.
This is just reminding me oflike when I have to do tech with
my parents, you know.
Yeah and go like okay, mom, allright, here's the okay.
Okay, so the mouse cursor.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Is the pointy, the thing that's pointing around and
I tell you, though, my mom Inhas insisted for decades that
she is bad at.
Technology has become such awits Hanging on with you.
Don't sound like me.
I'm the one who was messingwith my hair the whole time.
That's not your job.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
I look like I had a come over.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
I look at my parents, but here's the thing like she,
my mom for so many years wouldsay things like oh you know, I
don't know anything about that,or I don't know how to talk
about that, or I don't.
You know, my mother is like oneof the smartest people I've
ever met in my life.
She is about to turn 84 in likea week and a half, and she is
learning her fifth language.
(06:32):
Yeah and like she is this.
So anytime she would say likeoh well, I'm too dumb to know
that, or I, you know, your momis so stupid.
She'd say things like that.
I'm like, uh-uh, doesn't workanymore.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
No try to smart.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
You know, we know, we know mom your secrets out.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Yeah, she's like, you know she's, she's already like
invested in crypto and actuallymoney on it.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
She's like personally not invested in crypto, and
that's why she's smart.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
She does have her own point.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
I'm gonna be messing with my hair this entire time
because this is the first time Ihave ever, I always see you
guys.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Well, thank you, I, I , I am gonna accept your you go
ahead and you go ahead and messwith your hair as much as you
need.
They're the worst.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Headphones like why?
Why do they have to be this?
I'm gonna be a contrarian onthis.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
I kind of a little bit love headphones because for
me, I have poofy, dumb hairright now, but the headphones
like you, kind of masks.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
So see what they do for the female hair, for a lot
of female hair.
Do, they do is that they, theymash you down so you look like
you're wearing like a seventhgrade headband.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Like I feel like I'm having a little bit of PTSD,
right now.
I think it's like it's just notworking.
And then I tried, or triedbefore the pre-pod, or before
the pod, or before the whateverwe're calling this way, what are
put?
It begins all that these days.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
It's the pot.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
We're in the pod try putting it up on a ponytail.
I don't know you're on apodcast.
If you're listening to thepodcast, you can't see it.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
So I don't know why I'm talking about it.
No, describe it in detail.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Good exclamation point you got a compliment and
chat All right.
Thank you guys.
You're very sweet yeah.
I appreciate we appreciate yourability to To like me, to help
my ego.
I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
No kidding.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
I accept your compliments and I appreciate
them.
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
I'm Julie.
You are a freight train ofawesome and I'm gonna jump into
an actual introduction for thoseout.
I mean, I know we filled thisauditorium and everything, but
there are probably some peoplethat don't know you, foolish as
they are in the dark, you know,wandering around the universe,
going like you know, just likemissing something, not knowing
that they're missing something,but feeling in their heart like
(08:42):
they're missing something.
And so let's introduce you.
I'm usually be mommy.
Can be seen as the vibrant, thelumen auntie love that word
play Auntie Ruby in Miss Marvelon Disney Plus.
Hello, no big deal.
And is known in the video gameworld as the voice of rampart.
So maybe that maybe a voicesounded familiar.
Like who is that?
(09:03):
That's rampart in apex legends.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Especially if I start talking like this and start
being a jerk.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Then you know like, yeah, because that's pretty much
her, her issues, just me withan accent, with me.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Just with no filter.
I feel like I'm closer to, Ifeel like I'm a lot closer.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
I want to be closer to Symmetra like elegant and
smart and, but I actuallyprobably lean closer to rampart
which is like don't you know,don't have no filter.
I'm gonna say things.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
So that's, that's punk a jaunty.
I got it Okay.
Or Symmetra and overwatch rightLive.
Play Darling, dare I sayextraordinary extraordinary is
another good word, and candelaobscura.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I hope I said that right goodness Xandria, oh my
goodness.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
And then goodness, you guys, uh-huh, we're not just
the presence of this actor,performer, voice actor person,
but also an author like I.
To me, that is a big deal.
Like I am, I feel like that isa huge, monumental achievement
to be an author of abest-selling book on the left
nonetheless, which is, I amfun-sized and so are you, so you
(10:16):
, everybody, should just goahead and just wait, go ahead
and buy that right now.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Wait we'll just wait time.
You guys are slaying me rightnow I have to show you, for
those, for those of you who cansee what's going on right here.
I want to show you what'shappening, yeah you work in this
room.
Oh, let's he went away, he fled.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Oh, let's let's crib this thing.
Let's go to a house tour.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Charlie, my dog.
Charlie, the best dog in theworld Legitimately just stood at
the door and looked at me likewhy, why aren't you coming down
to dinner?
What's wrong?
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Wow, giving you it's 8 30.
We got Charlie.
We have her till 8 30.
Please.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Yeah, sorry, I'm gonna do my dinner time, so I'm
gonna.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I'm gonna add something else to that list of
amazing credits, which is Starof they sequest.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Yes, heard of it, yes .
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Our podcast listeners will know it, as our one of our
sponsors of our show is.
They sequest it, sponsors thisshow.
It's the tiki RPG that iscoming out in.
We can't say when, but it'scoming out this year.
It's coming out soon.
We're excited about it.
We're in post.
It's happening.
You know we just released thetrailer, so go to this request
(11:31):
comment.
Check that out, but not justthe star.
I have one more thing to add,and we are announcing for the
first time ever, by the way.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Go, let's go, let's go that.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Anjali Bhimani is gonna be executive producing the
show alongside so excited soexcited.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
I cannot tell you guys how excited I am to be a
part of that team.
You guys, I mean, it's just I'm, I'm just gonna keep saying I'm
so excited, like I can't waitfor the world to see the world
that Jasmine has created andwe've set up, and what the
Kickstarter supporters have havehelped us to create.
It's just, it's anembarrassment of riches.
I'm so excited, I'm so excited,I'm so excited.
(12:10):
Friendly saved by the.
Bell lovers out there yeah weare excited to you, I mean
already like proven you're.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
You know you're worth your weight in gold For for the
show way that much.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Like I said, I am fun size.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
It's a tiny human, that's true but it's Nickers bar
full of gold, that it was justa gold that would be a snickers
bar would be such a tease Ican't buy a city with that.
So you know, it doesn't takemuch to be.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
That's what I'm thinking.
I'm like I wanted my Milky Wayand now I got, and I
specifically changed it to MilkyWay because I don't like but
listen, all, all, all thatawesome.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
This is the best interview ever.
It's just just talking you upand talking about food.
Now I'm just hungry.
We got.
We got people in chat veryexcited.
They're just yelling things outlike yo.
And so.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
I'm trying so hard, aunties trying so hard, to
juggle here and I'm not doing agood job.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
So your mouse cursor is the.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Is this, is this where I go, I go to.
I go to f and funny dot chat.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
That looks like the cover for Lincoln Park's hybrid
theory when you held it up.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Well, there's like, there's like an ad going on.
What's out?
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Yeah.
Why am I?
You have to yeah, becauseyou're not a subscriber, sorry,
what.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
I typed f and funny.
I typed f and funny, but Siri,freaking, changed it.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Is racist against us, siri is.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
I don't know if series racist, but I do know
she's trying to break up mymarriage and I'm not
appreciating it go on, well,okay, so how's that?
Well, she just like I don'tknow, like Wake up and we, like
Siri, turn off the filter in thebedroom.
Yes, okay, perfect, let me doeverything for you.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
You know, you can change the voice.
You can make it like.
You can make it like a gruffBritish guy Like you're like oh.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Yeah, no, it's not that she's that beats, just that
.
I don't like this.
She listens to everything, oh.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Well.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
I feel like there's no like safety and that I don't.
She's not on on my If yourhusband just wants somebody who
just does whatever, he'd bet youknow whatever, Thank God he
doesn't, because he married meand he knows he broke and he got
it so like he just, he's fullyaware that I will absolutely
take a bullet for him, but, moreimportantly, I will live for
him and that makes a whole.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Huge.
All right, I want to get listenout.
We got a little time.
I want to get into some.
I want to get we're not justhaving you on here because we
want to talk about this request.
I mean, that's all well andgood, but I think we want to get
to know you a little bit evenmore, like kind of your origin
story, so to speak.
Take us back, like what?
Because I think our listenersyou know a lot of folks who are
(15:15):
South Asian out there, who wantto get into the arts, who are
looking for, you know, somemotivation to maybe confront
their parents about how to do itthat they can do it to that
kind of thing.
I'm wondering if you can kind oftake us back to when you
started out and you know, whendid you know you wanted to be a
performer?
And when do you know?
Do you know that you wantedthat to be your career?
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Yeah, so I feel like I kind of hit the lottery in
terms of, like, the particularset of parents they have hit the
lottery, guys.
Particularly.
I sorry I totally hit thelottery with my parents and the
reason I don't mean hit thelottery, I mean I've hit the
lottery with my life.
Yes, but that's come from hardwork and being in the right
(15:55):
place and opportunity and all ofthe things you know.
But so my parents, bothsurgeons, surprise, surprise and
but they met acting in a playin medical school.
What medical students have somuch free time on their hands?
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Yeah, I'm like what.
Two of them go to med schoolfor you.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
No, no, no.
They were in Mumbai back whenit was called Pompeii and my dad
was the leading man in thislike intercollegiate drama
troupe and my mom was a studentthere and he was trying to you
know they were they were tryingto cast someone opposite him in
the play and he kept vetoingeveryone.
That his best friend, who wasalso the the director of the
(16:34):
troupe.
He kept vetoing everyone.
The guy frustrated.
So my dad said, ok, the nextgirl that walks down those
stairs, I'll ask her.
And it was my mom.
No, and yes way and he went.
You didn't say no way, but Ijust added that he.
So he went up to her and, likeall big man on campus, tears
like hi, I'm better than I'm inbetween this play and all that
stuff.
And then my mom said I don'tknow who you think you are, but
(16:56):
maybe I'll do your play.
Let me talk to my mom.
And no one had really sassed mydad at that point in his life,
so naturally he was smitten andhe didn't want to see her either
.
You know he did not want to seeyou wanted in the law.
So they did.
They did the play and theybecame real, you know, dear
friends, and of course threeyears, and then you know, the
(17:19):
rest is history.
So good In a sense I there wasI'm not in the sense there was
already an appreciation ofacting in the family and I I
sort of felt, I think I fell inlove.
You know, like all little kidsdo, or most little kids, a lot
of little kids do is you know, Iput on little shows in the
living room and like I wrote aplay and on the playground in
(17:42):
first grade and performed it forthe class and then we ended up
doing a mine unit because of it.
Like little things like thatgot me excited.
But then it started to show my,my artsy, started to show when
I would do like book reports andthings.
And also because, like, forexample, I played D&D starting
when I was eight and I decidedto do a report on I decided to
(18:04):
do a report on like medievalweaponry and I played out a
scene from Monty Python and theHoly Grail.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Like so you like play , acted your book reports.
You're like yeah, I turn thisinto an old presentation.
Exactly, Exactly.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Like I turned things into a show.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
So there's a few pyrotechnics, mr Sponsored,
we're going to do these outside,if that's OK.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
But then I think it was really in junior high when I
really started to fall in lovewith it.
And I remember seeing aproduction of Kismet at Cal
State, fullerton, and thecombination of loving the music
and loving the musical and thejust the spectacle of it, but
also even though I don't reallyknow what the ethnic background
(18:46):
of the actual performers was thecharacters were Middle Eastern
and at that point that was aboutthe closest thing I had seen to
someone who looked like mebeing on stage and I thought, oh
my gosh, I could totally do.
This is a thing I can do.
I can do this thing I.
This is awesome.
And so I did all the schoolplays.
And then I did communitytheater and I just kind of dove
into it.
But then somewhere in highschool I figured out, oh wait,
(19:08):
people like do this for a career.
Like this is a real thing, Icould do this for a living.
And so when I made thatdecision and I told my parents,
you know, first it was, yeah,sure, you want to be a
firefighter when you were five,right.
But then there was the secondlayer of why don't you get a
degree in something else?
And then you can do this andyou'll have a fallback and some
(19:31):
sensible options, but then I wastrying to fall back.
If I have a fallback.
I might fall back.
I'm not really interested inthat, and so then then, when
they realized how serious I wasabout it, they were like awesome
, treat it like you treateverything else Study as hard as
you can, make sure you'rereally good at it, make sure you
can make a living at it andmake sure you love it.
That's all we care about andthat's essentially what I did.
(19:52):
So there was no sense back then, and I talk about this a lot.
When I'm talking to to quoteunquote younger actors, I don't
mean age, I just mean in termsof freshness in your career?
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yeah sure.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
I didn't.
I treated it just like I wouldhave treated any other career.
I wasn't thinking about beingfamous.
I wasn't thinking about makingmillions of dollars.
I was thinking about making aliving doing what I love,
learning how to do it and beingreally good at it.
Right, I remember there was auncle who you know.
I was talking to him aboutwanting to go into acting and he
(20:28):
said oh, when are you going todo a movie with Tom Cruise?
Yeah, and I was like.
Ok, first of all, don't make funof me.
Second, I'm probably not goingto do a movie with Tom Cruise.
I'm going to be doing moviesand plays and projects with all
of my friends because we're allgoing to come up together.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Yeah, we're going to make really cool things.
That's amazing that you hadthat foresight, and then I also
said to him.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Well, I also said to him because I was kind of a dick
.
I also said to him uncle you'rea doctor, you're a doctor,
right?
And he said yeah.
And I said do you have to befamous to be a successful doctor
?
Because I'm pretty sure you'renot.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yeah, you're famous to be successful.
And when are you going to besuch in general?
Yeah, so you know like.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
so it was very much this, and I probably said it a
little more respectfully thanthat, because my sass has built
over time, but but just thatsense of trying to you were
touching his feet.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
I love, yeah, exactly Bowing down.
You know I was back and awayslowly.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
I was very defensive of don't ruin this thing for me.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Yeah, for many, many years.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
And I took it very seriously and I took my school
very seriously.
I went to Northwestern and I,like I just worked my balls off
while I was there, like I did,and, and and had the greatest
time ever doing it.
Um, but the one thing at thetime that was not necessarily
taught at Northwestern they may,they may, have changed things
(21:48):
now was the business of acting.
There was, it was sort of likeright, you have all these skills
, go with God.
And so I, you know, did, madeall the same mistakes that
everybody else makes along theway, and and figured things out.
But again, I lucked out becausethe first professional job I
had was at the Goodman Theater,with a director named Mary
(22:10):
Zimmerman, and for those of youwho don't know Mary Zimmerman,
she is a MacArthur genius.
She, uh, we went on to do 18productions together.
Oh, my gosh, which was my firstBroadway show, which is a show
called Metamorphosis, and she isjust an incredible creator, an
incredible human.
So I lucked into, I just luckedinto this incredible artistic
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community in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
I do think the Chicago Theater community and
acting community is incredible.
It's a beautiful place to likebecome an adult as an actor.
It's a beautiful place to be anartist because it's a very
collaborative playing ground.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
We had.
We had, we had Purvis Chinon,oh yeah, so Purvis.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Yeah, he and I know each other from Chicago, from
Chicago Exactly, and he was liketalking about how he saw you in
plays and how that was.
So it's fun, yeah, yeah it'sfun and like and and it's and
it's.
It's been interestingInteresting is probably the
right word for it Hearing peoplewho are like currently very
successful actors and actressestelling me oh, I saw you in
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Metamorphosis when I was inschool and you that inspired me
to do things, and part of me islike how old am I?
And?
Speaker 2 (23:21):
then the other part is very is very touched by that,
because I was breastfeeding onmy mother at the time and
exactly Exactly I was negativetwo years old when I was in
Yotaro and heard your voice, butwhat I appreciated about that?
Speaker 3 (23:36):
what I appreciate so much about that is that I did
not have that.
And yeah, and I did not.
You know, I grew up in OrangeCounty and California, which is
not the most at the time, wasnot the most diverse.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Right, right.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Now there's obviously a big Indian community, but but
I I never felt like I was.
I didn't feel a sense ofprejudice around me, I didn't
feel racism.
It was just like huh, you'redifferent, and so that was kind
of how I lived my life.
I was like I'm different, Iwanted to look like everybody
else, and I was very sad inbiology class when I discovered
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that I couldn't have blondebabies.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
but I I also accepted the fact that like look, you
are something unlike you aresomething unlike what is around
you.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
I watched the movie.
I think it's called adoption,no, but.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
I know what you mean.
I'm just just sort of relatingfrom the point of view of
someone who's raised in NewHampshire was like, right, I
always felt this urge like this,this need to stand out, because
I do stand out and I wantedthem.
I wanted to stand out big andthen also want to fit in at the
same time.
I don't know if you relate tothat Totally makes sense
Absolutely.
Like what, which is kind ofpossible.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Also what what it did do for me is it kind of.
Even though, like so many kidsand so many adults, there was
this desire to belong and desireto fit in, there was also a
part of me that understood look,I am never going to be like
people around me, that is notpossible.
I'm never going to be exactlylike them, so I'm going to have
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to be OK with that, and I'mgoing to and I'm part of that
means I'm going to have toexpress myself uniquely, in
whatever way.
I think that is, and so it'sthe first time I'm really I did,
I had, I still do.
I have an older brother who isthe greatest brother in the
history of mankind.
Sorry to all the other brothersout there, but he's just the
greatest and in fact he's theone who introduced me to D&D.
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When I was eight years old hegot me the basic Amazing yes and
.
And just last Saturday was hisbirthday and I was down at Comic
Con doing the Candela panelwith Critical Role and we all
got to sing him.
The whole audience Sing himhappy birthday, that's fantastic
.
It was so cool because I toldhim, like guys, he's responsible
for being here, so let's, let'sgive him some love, so you've
(25:54):
done.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
You do TTRPG's right.
You're a CR Candela.
We're talking Dimension 20.
You're, you're.
You're getting all the InfinityStones.
You do Broadway.
You're a voice actor andcharacter in some of the most
popular games in history.
What, when you you conquer allthese different platforms of
(26:16):
performance, when you do, whatis your impetus for building
character?
What's your starting point?
That is just your core, likeyour ratatouille, zoom in the
eye and this is like whereyou're building from, because
these are not similar at all,like these are different
conventions for every type ofperformance.
Where do you, as an artist,start for character?
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Honestly, like I wish I could say there is one place,
but there isn't.
I at all, and I kind of, and Ikind of relish that.
It changes from project toproject.
It changes from medium tomedium.
Sometimes it is just somethingwhere I'm like I kind of want to
play this kind of character sothat's what I'm going to drop
for this TTRPG.
Other times I'll read a scriptand the thing that I will catch
on to will be one plot point orone physical description, or
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something about this makes mefeel like this voice should
sound this way.
So there's no any, there'snothing, there's no one way.
I just I finally realized uh,many years into beating the crap
out of myself for being likewhy aren't you a better at this
technique or this technique?
You need to go to acting classfor this.
I finally realized no, no, no,no, no.
(27:23):
The whole game, the whole gameof life, let alone the whole
game of acting is, orstorytelling is.
Learn all the tools you can andthen have your own toolbox and
know how to use what tools thatwork for you on what job.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
That's it Like if I'm working on okay, I'm not a
handy person, but it's like ifI'm working on something that
needs a hammer, I'm gonna use ahammer, I'm not gonna use a
screwdriver.
But if I were constantly onlyusing an hammer for one thing,
for every single thing, that'snot gonna work, right, right, so
I um, and also creating thecharacter, uh, in every form of
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storytelling, for the most part,is such a collaborative effort.
Yeah, um, that, that, andespecially when the script is
already written, or when, orwhen you walk into a video game
and they've already created thisbeautiful animated character
and you're just coming intovoice, it there's, there's,
there's so much that's alreadylaid out for you.
It really is just a game of yes, and it's really just a game of
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you know what else?
Oh and, and about this, how,about this?
Oh.
So there's just this throwingthings at the wall.
A ttrpg is a whole differentthing, because obviously you get
to start with what you want tostart with and, like I said,
sometimes I mean sometimes it'ssomething very deep that I grab
on to, and sometimes it's just Iwant a character with this
accent.
Yeah, right, I don't want to belike a surfer dude in this.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Yeah, yeah, I just want to be like I, just I'm.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
I'm about to start filming one where, um uh, I just
uh I decided I was like youknow what I'm in a mood today,
so I want this character to be atotal dick yeah and that's who
it's gonna be.
That character is gonna be forthe rest of this like and it
might be, and it'll develop intosomething bigger.
Yeah, yeah, but it'll developinto something bigger, because
there's no way if you can'tstand it forever, yeah but also
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there's when you've done thislong enough, or when you dive in
deep enough, and when you haveenough of a commitment to the
story.
You can't possibly leavesomething at one dimension or
two dimensions.
You, you just make it more andmore complex, because it's not
fun if you dumped.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Well, not, it's especially in tabletop, right
like, I feel, a role-play gamespecifically like yes, I think
like you know, that's what I'venoticed.
I'm relatively new to the space,but like I noticed that you
that, by virtue of of spendingso much time together,
eventually you, you have to getto some of the whys.
Like, why are we together?
Why are we adventuring?
(29:39):
Yeah, why are you here?
What are you fighting for?
Like you start to ask thesequestions and you and by you
know we're all improvisers, sowe're like gotta come up with
something.
Whether you've been meditatingor not, and, and I do think, yes
, and yourself, like whateveryou came up with in that moment,
right?
So?
Speaker 3 (29:55):
all of those things I do think need to be determined
somewhat.
Determined, either ahead oftime or in your session.
Zero, you know why are you?
Speaker 2 (30:03):
coming together.
Yeah, why are?
Speaker 3 (30:04):
you all here and there are like I.
It's very important to me withTTRPGs to know at least one
super strength, uh likecharacter strength and much talk
about ability squares, but likeone super strength, that this
like one place.
This character is awesome,really really good at and one
thing that is a.
That is a weak point, yeah, ora fear, or something.
(30:26):
That is an equal use of someflaw, yeah, and it's not
necessarily fatal flaw, thoughit could be but something that
either they perceive as a flawor something that the world
could perceive as a flaw becauseif I don't have that kind of
inner conflict going on.
It's, it's again.
I like that complexity.
Yeah, yeah, I really like thingsto have complexity and then
(30:47):
when you have other players likeyou guys and we have things to
play off of, then you can kindof sand the edges of the stuff.
Sure, I can kind of go in thereand be like, oh, this thing I
had kind of thought about myselfis not actually what's
happening once.
I'm opposite this personbecause now that I'm connected
to this character and I'm havingthis conversation, I realize,
oh, that thing, I thought aboutmy character is not actually
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true, cool and it's just like inreal life when you meet new
people and you have newrelationships.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
They change you that's the thing you're so
collaborative like, not likeeverything you do, you're just
so like let's share the energy.
And I feel like when we were atthe table at DaySeaQuest, it
was constantly like I felt likeanytime we interacted, you were
like I want to take you on, likeI need this from you, and it
wasn't just I'm talking at you,it was like I, we need to get
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out of this room together.
For this reason, I was likethis is easy, like this, you
make it so easy to just be incharacter well, thank you that.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
That means a lot to me, because I do think one of
the greatest things about aboutTTRPGs, home games, shows,
whatever.
What?
The most beautiful things aboutthat is that it's not just
storytelling, it's collaborativestorytelling, which means you
get to create something that hasnever existed before, while you
are appreciating the virtuosityof the people across the table
(32:03):
and discovering things in themoment that couldn't be written.
So many of the TTRPGs that Ihave played the end, like the
shows that I've done you wouldnever in a million years thought
that that's how they were goingto end.
But that's how they ended.
Right and it became because ofthe role of the dice and the
commitment to the story andother people lifting each other
up and other people filling inwhere the other people couldn't,
and it that's just so fun and,as an actor especially, it's so
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fulfilling, because we don'treally get that very often, if
at all.
Right, you're like a lot ofthings are scripted.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Yeah 100% and like you get these big emotional
payoffs in TTRPGs that you knowyou typically can't get in a
normal improv show you get itfrom TTRPG because we've done
the work before the groundworkof the sessions.
We did too for for for basicquests right, we did session
negative one and a session zeroand really laid out laid a bunch
of groundwork and I think wehad some huge emotional moments
(32:57):
that I did not see necessarilycoming ahead of time, and that
is that is so special.
Real quick, before we jump intomore unduly, I'm just gonna
take a moment to say, whilewe're talking about TTRPGs, hey,
we're all going to GenCon andthis podcast should be out
before we go.
So we would love for you to comevisit us at GenCon.
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We're gonna be there at thenevermore space, which is
actually outside of GenConitself.
It's a, it's an off-site.
Oh, we're seeing, we're gonnasee Charlie the puppy, I think
right now there it is a littleshining situation is.
It is your puppy in that rug ohokay, there we.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Oh okay, I was like this is Blair.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Witch.
What happened here?
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Charlie, come here, charlie what's that?
Like for a second.
I was like was it the modemthat you wish?
No, sorry.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
I couldn't.
I did hard to do that this iswhy I'm better in front of the
camera no that.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Yeah, that was that's your directorial debut and it
was amazing, so, please, comevisit us at GenCon, at the
nevermore space 11 30 am onSaturday at GenCon.
If you're there, gencon, forthose that don't know, is like
the biggest tgrgbg or thetabletop convention, I think in
the US at least.
Right, it's a huge absolutelyit's massive.
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I've only been there once, oh,you know, oh.
I've been once it was such ablast.
Oh man, there's some coolinstallations and stuff there.
I played a the last time I went, at the only time I went.
We played like a live dungeontrue dungeon, I think it was
called with Will Wheaton andFelicia today and like it was
like you.
It was like you walk into amaze.
It was sort of like a roomescape before.
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Room escapes were cool, but youplay as dnd characters and you
like roll against actual actors,playing like the ice princess
that you're fighting.
It was really fucking cool.
So highly recommend you gocheck it out.
But mostly, come, come, come,visit us at GenCon yes, if you
do, that sounds we'll befloating around Saturday and
Sunday all right back to ourschedule and we'll have time.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Yes, we'll have chai and snacks.
We'll have chai ready for youthat's right, 11, 30 in the
morning, so what more could youwant?
Yeah, we'll need it.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
I'll drop it.
I'll drop the link in the chatand how you can get tickets, if
they're hopefully stillavailable.
We're halfway sold out rightnow and we haven't really
announced it at all so jump inif you can, and I'll, and I'll
drop it into chat as well.
So, yeah, come, come, visit usall.
Right back to our regularscheduled unjali.
Yeah, we've got a question forDanny's corner.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Uh, and I think this is a great question to throw to
you um, does unjali have anyadvice for getting into
characters, both for ttrpgs andfor voice acting?
Slash pre-written charactersand finding what fits for them.
So finding that character, kindof like, you know, trying on
that costume, what to?
You right right right, uh, uh,guiding light for this works.
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I'm, or I'm not doing this.
How do you?
What's that instinct?
Speaker 3 (36:04):
it's, and it's such a great question and it's such a
big question.
I'm not going to be able toattack all of it here, but part
of what I said before is is verytrue is usually when you read a
script or you you hear aboutlike a setting or whatever,
there's something that pops outat you, whether it is thinking
of a sound, whether it'sthinking of an image, whether
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it's you read the script andthere's a particular line that
rings a certain way, there'ssomething that jumps out at you
and any one of those things canbe the starting point for a
character uh anyone.
It could be a word, it could besomething another character says
about you in a previous scene.
If you've been given the wholescript, that is very, very
helpful, but whatever is the onething that jumps out with you,
I feel like that's a lovely seedto start with, and just kind of
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let it bloom and see and seewhat comes up.
Also, um, for actual likeon-camera work and and theater
work, I cannot stress enough andthis is gonna sound so cheesy,
but not cheesy, it was gonnasound so weird I cannot stress
enough the value of footwear, ifyou can figure out what it is.
Uh, what kind of shoes thischaracter wears.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
I've never heard this advice before in my life.
I love this.
Go okay.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
And the reason I say this is because when I am doing
a play and you get to techrehearsals and for those of you
who don't know, tech rehearsalsis when the costumes and the
lights and and the, and you'reon the set for the first time,
and when you put on that costumefor the first time, already
that's pretty magical, likeyou're putting yourself in the
in the clothes of the character.
But then when you figure outhow a character physically walks
(37:36):
in their own shoes, uh-huh,there is something that, just
For me, I just kind of settle inand sometimes when I want to
come up with a character, like,okay, here's an example for
Symmetra once, I you, I usuallyrun around in high heel boots.
It's a thing that I already do.
So the day that I showed up forthe first recording of Symmetra
(37:57):
, I was wearing my high heelboots.
Symmetra's got her high heelsand I was like cool, I see this,
this is gonna work for me and I, this posture is gonna work for
me, this whole thing is gonnawork for me.
I'm gonna wear these shoes forevery session that I have with
her, just to be able to be likeno, this is where she stands,
she's elegant, she's she's foot,she's not off-balance, she's
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like she's got this eleganceabout her.
Nothing can knock her likethere's, there's something about
that and you can do that withAny wardrobe piece.
You can do that with you knowyour hair.
You can, it sounds.
It sounds Superficial but it'salso if you're in drama school,
a lot of times they say workingoutside in.
Oh yeah, you know, sometimespeople in in in drama school you
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end up doing a lot of animalwork to find Physicality of
certain animals.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Yeah, I remember doing that, your character
acting one-on-one, and you'relike why are we?
Speaker 3 (38:49):
doing this.
I don't understand.
This is dumb, but there reallyis something to I.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
I didn't mind it.
I got my face that licked I got.
I got licked in the face by avery pretty girl once, so that
was fine.
Oh, really into her wolfcharacter, pretty wool
apparently she was consent,please, ladies, gentlemen, but.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
But there is just something really lovely about
finding the physicality of acharacter that I really really
like.
And when I'm playing, ttrpg isobviously, you know, 90% of the
time, or most, I should say 90%,I don't know what percent, but
usually you're sitting and Forme finding the physicality, even
sitting, makes a difference.
I just like finding thephysicality of the character,
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figuring out how, how they carrythemselves, what I think
they're wearing and how wouldthat be.
How do they breathe if you knowyou breathe differently when
you're in a corset?
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Yeah, oh yeah, differently, if you can bring.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Well, you ladies, here's a hot tip for you that I
got the first time I wore acorset.
Make sure you take a deepBreath.
Yes, and not a deep breathwhere you're sucking in your
stomach right deep breath, whereyour stomach just kind of
relaxes.
So you know that you can fullyget your when you get fitted for
your corset.
Don't worry about how tiny yourwaist is.
Worry about how full you canget your lungs.
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Otherwise you might pass out,and you don't want to do that
pro tips.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Unjuli, we, we lose you a little bit, so I want to
know it's okay.
I want to ask you one morequestion.
Then we're gonna play this game, which is just I, you know,
high point, low, low point.
I think it's easy to alwaystalk about successes.
I would love for you to talk,tell us about and I think we've
heard a lot of great high points.
So maybe tell us about a timein your career where it was like
real, a real challenge, ormaybe I don't know if you ever
(40:31):
had.
This moment did you have amoment where you were like I got
a.
Maybe I can still be a surgeonis.
Was there ever that moment Igot such a good one?
How did you power through?
Speaker 3 (40:41):
such a good one, so I can't remember if this was 2014
or 15, but you know, I justcome back from doing this, this
free, broadly run of a show.
Things were great.
Within the course of like threemonths, my manager dropped me
and then all of a sudden, I Icouldn't, I couldn't get shot in
(41:01):
LA, like I couldn't, I couldn'tget, I couldn't get an audition
, I'm alone book a job.
And I started doing all thosecasting director workshops.
When those were big.
I did like 52 of them in 40days like, oh my god, I was.
I was just go, go, go, go go andNothing really came out of
those and I was like, well, okay, obviously these are bullshit,
first of all, but second, butthe then I took a course with a
(41:26):
casting director, an auditioncourse, and At the beginning and
the end of the course we hadthis kind of like circle
conversation with everyone.
And the final day, and even inthe class, I was like I know,
I'm doing great work.
I'm doing great work.
At the end I just broke downcrying and I said I'm doing the
best work of my life and I can'tget anyone to see it.
And this casting director,christy Pays on.
(41:47):
God bless her said.
I think maybe you just need totake a break, and I don't mean a
break like quitting, I mean abreak from squeezing it so hard.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
I think you need to just like let yourself not.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
Let yourself not do okay, workshops, let yourself.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Some breathing.
Take a deep breath before youtie the corset.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
So what I did was Because obviously money was an
issue, because I couldn't getwork.
Yeah, I was like you know whatI'm gonna do?
I'm gonna drive for lift thissummer.
I mean, I drive my, I've drivemy friends around all the time.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
I have a.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
Prius.
It's very easy.
Why not drive around newfriends?
Yeah, and so I took this job.
I took that when I starteddriving for lift and there was
pressure East, obviously on mypocketbook, but also I was
having a chance to interact witha ton of people in a really fun
way.
Yeah, I'm not a person wholikes to go out to bars.
My, my husband, who's myboyfriend at the time he was on
tour, so I didn't really like Ijust wanted to hang out with
(42:41):
people, but I didn't want to go.
You know, I didn't want to doit the standard way, yeah, and
so it alleviated so much.
And I also remember during thattime I had I sat down with my
manager one day and I was likeI've never thought this before
but like Maybe this is theuniverse telling me that that
was it, but that's like the mostsuccess.
I maybe, I'm supposed to not dothis.
(43:02):
And she said to me and again Godbless this woman, she might.
I've been with my manager as arepresentative, either an agent
or a manager Since 2007.
Oh wow, that's super specialyeah so she said to me, she said
, honestly, you know what,usually when someone says that
to me, I tell them totally getit.
Why don't you take a break,like, just like, just stop for a
while, don't do this.
And if they want to quit, youknow, I let them quit.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
You're not allowed.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
You're too good, you're gonna figure it out.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
And as soon as she said that, I was like Because I
never, first of all, quittingwas never an option.
Yeah, I don't understand whyyou would quote, unquote, quit
acting, unless you hated it,because the only thing you need
to do to be able to act in someform for the rest of your life
is not die.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Yeah, the bar is low.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
Yeah, you eat, you be community theater, it might be
creating things with yourfriends, but that's all you have
to do is still be breathing andyou can create and you can act.
So quitting was never an option, whether or not I thought I
could be successful at it.
I was sure many times I've hadthat, but alleviating that level
of stress on it and andallowing myself to have a life
(44:09):
and being like you know what.
I am gonna travel, I will sitaround and wait for auditions.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
I love that you took both pieces of advice almost you
like.
Took the advice to step awayand the advice to not to like
lean in.
It's like you got, you got.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
Because it wasn't.
Yeah, it wasn't step away, itwas stop squeezing it.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Yeah, yeah, that's a difference.
Speaker 3 (44:27):
There's a big difference, right and that, I
feel like, goes on, goes forlife.
If you, if you want somethingso bad that you're just yearning
for it the whole time, you aretelling yourself you don't have
it.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
Right, oh, totally, I see you.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
If you're just like squeezing it like oh god, why
does that person successful andI'm not?
Well, part of that sentence isI'm not, I'm not.
Rather than being like, ratherthan using other people's
success or other people'sabundance or other people's
relationships as evidence ofwhat is possible, yeah, that,
that shift of like oh wow, so sodid that.
That's so cool.
That means that that's possiblein the world I wonder what else
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is possible.
That's yeah when you stopsqueezing it so hard.
All of a sudden, there's thisflow of whatever is yours to
come through.
Right and I don't believe inthe whole like well, if I didn't
book the job, it's not mine andI'm supposed to feel good about
that.
Oh, it feels like shit.
You're allowed to feel likeshit, please let yourself be
disappointed.
Have your emotions, but don'tallow disappointment to turn
(45:26):
into Judgment of yourself andfailure.
That's the rejection.
That's how we feel rejected.
We don't get rejected by jobs.
You can't get rejected from ajob where only one person is
getting the job and the 99 otherpeople who auditioned Are
getting it.
That's not rejection.
That's one person got it.
Now young people don't suck.
Yeah, but the rejection part iswhen we tell ourselves I didn't
(45:46):
get that job, I'm such a loser.
Yeah, I can get that job and thefailure.
I'm never gonna succeed.
We reject ourselves Right, sohave the disappointment, allow
yourself to have it, feel it,bitch about it Whatever you need
to do, but don't use it asproof of what can't happen.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
Yeah, love it.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
I think, I think that's a big thing that keeps me
going.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
I think that's glorious and a great way to sort
of end our, our interviewsection.
Actually, do you have a littlebit time?
Speaker 3 (46:11):
Games.
Yes, okay, create thisbeautiful game.
Sorry, we'd love to play it.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
So, omar, take us away, let's play.
Since we are going to a boardgame convention, I feel like
it's perfect that we play a funlittle game about it, yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
All right, folks, we've got a couple of games here
and, uh, some of them are real,some of them are fake.
What's gonna?
Happen is we're gonna tell youthe game and I'm gonna give you
a little pitch on the game.
You got to tell me if it's realor fake.
Okay, oh boy, I'm bad at thesethings all of the pitches I have
made up.
Okay, so all of these pitchesI've made up, but the some games
(46:44):
are real, some are not.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
Oh, so the description fantastic game.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
So the picture that even the real games, yeah, okay
even the real games are.
But these are.
Are these are tabletop games orthese are video games or these
are board?
Speaker 2 (46:56):
games board games are all board games in honor of gen
con.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
So here we go.
All right, folks, town dump.
This game is the dumps, thetown dump, that is.
Speaker 3 (47:08):
This is a game where kids get to run.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
The town dump and find out what it's like to take
care of the trash Real or fake,hold, hold, wait, hold on a
second because there's an imageAlways supposed to be seeing.
This Did you.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
Are you saying that you potentially every board game
has an image?
Every game has an image.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
Okay, can I just say bravo for that, that is amazing.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
I'm so, I'm so in.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
Anjali, no, looking it up.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
No, I'm looking at this because I can't see on my,
on this, on the whatever we'reon stream, yard stream, dream
con, I don't know what this is Ican't see it, it's too.
Speaker 1 (47:46):
It's too blurry so I'm looking at all right.
So, true or real or fake, towndump.
Speaker 3 (47:53):
I hope it's fake.
Please let it be fake.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
Are you voting fake on today?
I'm voting fake, okay.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
Okay, I want to, just because I got the four-year-old
who he is obsessed with garbagetrucks like True story, kids
would love this game.
Speaker 3 (48:07):
If it's not, I was gonna say if it isn't real,
someone's gotta make.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
I'm gonna say if this isn't real, I want to make it,
because kids can't go nuts forthis game.
I want to say real, I thinkit's real, let's go.
Speaker 1 (48:18):
Okay, ready, I want it to be.
So I'm usually say fake Son Dp.
Say real three, two, one.
Delvin reveal Is it real orfake?
That's right, it is real.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
Wait, how do we know?
Speaker 3 (48:32):
like so suddenly, if you're okay.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
I guess I'm on that side.
Speaker 3 (48:35):
You're on that side.
Okay, okay, okay town dump withmotorized action bulldozer.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
The box unfolds into a large town dump with boxes of
garbage in the middle.
Speaker 3 (48:44):
Can we play this?
Speaker 1 (48:45):
game at jen con.
Speaker 2 (48:46):
Oh my gosh, please we have to get it.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
Players take turns revving the motorized bulldozer
and sending it into the dumpwith their side of the board,
the object of the game is topush as much trash as you can
out of the dump on youropponent's side.
Speaker 3 (49:00):
Oh, excellent your job is to dump on your friends.
How do we dump on your friends?
Speaker 1 (49:05):
Okay, so sunday's got a tiny little lead, but it's
anyone's game right now.
Speaker 3 (49:08):
Are you ready for?
Speaker 1 (49:08):
the next one.
Yes, all right.
This next game is called nextin line.
Heavy is the head that wearsthe crown, so off with their
head.
This is a game where kids getto learn about how Rules and
responsibilities are passed downthrough the british monarchy,
depending on who dies and isnext in line Real or fake.
Speaker 3 (49:32):
No, I say no.
My shirt says no.
No, absolutely not.
I say no no, no.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
Why are you so confident?
It's not.
Speaker 3 (49:41):
It's I, I, I, I'm, I'm just.
I veto it whether it is,whether it is real or not.
I am vetoing this game.
I, I say no.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
No, okay.
Speaker 3 (49:52):
No, I love that.
I the king is dead.
Who lives next?
Long live whoever is next.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
No, no, absolutely no .
If it said whomever is next, Iwould have said yes too, but it
doesn't, so I'm gonna say no aswell, I think this is bogus.
Speaker 1 (50:06):
Wow, you both say no, yeah, I crash in anigans.
You're not gonna believe this,but you're correct.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
It is fake.
This is a game that we made up.
It's a good game, though Wellplayed.
Yeah, it is a good.
In light of the, you know thequeen's passing, it's a good.
Speaker 3 (50:21):
I like that.
It's also.
I think you have like theMilton Bradley thing in the
corner.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
This is all delvin's photoshop photo manipulation
abilities.
We're very excited.
Excellent, we're very excited.
This will be the next movie.
Speaker 3 (50:36):
I'm a little bummed the town dump is real because I
thought maybe we had a like amoneymaker on our hands.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
Guys, I think well, maybe this next one will be our
go-to We'll find out.
Are you ready for, uh, thieleAmili, uh, touchy, touchy, the
hands-on game that really getsyour hands on no, stop it.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
This is, this is the gate.
Speaker 3 (51:00):
It's like the opposite of the game of consent
basically, I'm so oh no, this ispetrifying.
Speaker 1 (51:08):
Wait so what's the pitch?
Give me the pitch.
The pitch is touchy touchy, thehands-on game that really gets
your hands on.
Speaker 3 (51:17):
I mean, I'm, I'm, what's.
What's killing me right now isimmediately.
I'm like that's probably a game.
Like an oldie timey game, likemaybe a game from like when,
when we were kids, like I feellike this would have been a game
in like the early 80s, like Icould totally feel this.
Speaker 2 (51:34):
Don't play this game with uncle trevor.
Speaker 3 (51:36):
Oh, no, all right.
Speaker 2 (51:38):
I'm gonna say.
I'm gonna say it's not real.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
What do you say?
Speaker 3 (51:42):
I'm gonna say it's real, I'm gonna say it's real,
Because also.
I feel like it's like one ofthose games where, like you
blindfold yourselves and you putyour hands in different things.
I'm just gonna say yes, becauseit's so horrible.
I want to change my All right.
It's so horrible because it'sso horrible.
Speaker 1 (51:59):
Okay, let's reveal it .
Speaker 2 (52:02):
No, I'm locked in.
I already said it.
I meant to, actually meant tosay real and but I said not real
, so let's just take it.
Well, you might get a point.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
You might get a point .
It is real All tied up.
So play begins with all theitems inside the box and the
stack of cards in the top of thebox.
Speaker 3 (52:20):
The top card is real.
Speaker 1 (52:22):
Players put their hands inside the box to attempt
to recover by feel, only theitem pictured on the card.
The winner is the player whofinds more of the items it's
glory.
Speaker 2 (52:32):
All the game is what it is that's terrifying.
Speaker 3 (52:36):
That is terrifying.
No, but that like they justmade it sound dirty, it's not
actually a really mealy mealyyeah there's a couple more.
Speaker 2 (52:45):
Let's do it, it's anyone's game.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
Are you ready?
Yeah, all right Next up, we'vegot vanilla ice wrap game.
That's right.
The vanilla ice electronic rapgame ice, ice baby, more like
nice, nice baby.
What do you?
Speaker 3 (53:00):
do.
I don't understand what thegame that's all you got Is it
real.
Speaker 2 (53:05):
I think I might have had this game.
I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (53:11):
I don't know, I own this game.
Speaker 2 (53:12):
I own this game.
I would.
If I, if I my parents would letme buy anything, I would
probably bought it, I was, so Iwas obsessed with the meet up
games would say I want this tobe real, I'm going to go real.
Speaker 1 (53:25):
I'm going to go real with an electronic one box Okay.
Speaker 3 (53:28):
Yeah, I think it feels very I wanted to be real,
because again, it's so bad, okay, okay, so bad, and I get yeah.
Speaker 1 (53:37):
I mean, I was like oh , I'm going to approach it, oh
yeah.
Speaker 3 (53:41):
Oh, I feel like I was like oh, I'm going to approach
Right.
And there's another reason, andI hope this doesn't sound.
I feel like the fact that it'svanilla ice and that there's a
bunch of occasion folks on here,I feel like that there's
something about that that feltlike, yes, this could exist.
(54:03):
I do not see.
Speaker 2 (54:04):
Actually, every black child that auditioned to be on
the box is like no, yeah, I'mnot doing it.
Speaker 3 (54:10):
No, like it might my like.
Everything in my soul tells methis is yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:14):
I'm not doing this.
Speaker 3 (54:15):
But this, this, this, this yeah.
And I hope that doesn't offendanyone, because some of the most
soulful people that I know andsome of the best rappers I know
are Caucasians.
Yeah and there are people ofall colors and all backgrounds
who can do all sorts of musicand all sorts of things.
There's just something aboutthese are some gory skin.
Speaker 2 (54:34):
Yeah, no, yeah, you don't apologize.
Speaker 3 (54:39):
This is.
Speaker 2 (54:40):
This is very much a go to him.
What's crazy what's crazy is isthat that little boy in the
right is actually Eminem.
Speaker 3 (54:46):
Yeah, yeah, his origin story, we've got three
more folks, so this is gonna getaggressive because someone's
gotta take it Okay okay, allright, next up, we've got
business monkeys, bull market,bear market.
Speaker 1 (54:59):
How about monkey market?
Speaker 2 (55:01):
That's bananas.
Speaker 1 (55:02):
I'm out.
Speaker 3 (55:06):
No, it's not real.
Speaker 2 (55:08):
Not real?
Speaker 3 (55:09):
It's not real.
Speaker 2 (55:10):
I mean, you both think it's adorable.
Speaker 3 (55:12):
It's freaking adorable.
Speaker 2 (55:14):
Well, I play, it is it is not real.
Speaker 3 (55:16):
I want to be a business monkey.
In fact, I kind of feel like Iam a you know, what?
I climb all over the place andI do business, so I'm I don't
eat bananas.
Speaker 2 (55:27):
Bananas are not, you know, I'm switching because we
got, we, we got to have someOpposition here.
Speaker 3 (55:31):
I'm just gonna switch to real.
Speaker 2 (55:33):
I'm gonna go.
Speaker 3 (55:33):
Okay, it's definitely not real.
Speaker 2 (55:35):
I okay Well it's the second edition, so it's gotta be
.
Speaker 3 (55:39):
Second edition.
I mean, what was the firstedition, I wonder?
Were they like it was?
Speaker 2 (55:46):
Intern monkeys.
There's a lot of Unpaid internmonkeys unpaid intern monkeys
exactly.
Speaker 1 (55:52):
Believe it or not.
This is fake.
Come on, made up Businessmonkeys, invented by my roommate
, mira Stella.
What I just went?
Hey, give me a fake, fake boardgame name.
And they went business monkeys.
Speaker 2 (56:09):
That's amazing.
Speaker 3 (56:11):
Already the chat right now.
I'm just.
Speaker 1 (56:16):
If a bunch of monkeys could write Shakespeare, I mean
, imagine what a corporationcould do and then walked away.
Speaker 2 (56:21):
That's so funny apropos of nothing.
Speaker 1 (56:24):
Yeah, oh.
Speaker 3 (56:32):
TV right.
Here we go two more, so this iswhere it's gonna come down the
line.
Speaker 1 (56:34):
Are you ready?
This is our penultimate gameWe've got.
Hey, pa, there's a goat on theroof.
Take this up with the manupstairs who happens to be a
goat, real or fake.
I'll let you go first.
I don't.
Speaker 3 (56:48):
I don't understand the game.
Speaker 1 (56:52):
Wait, hey, there's a goat on the roof.
Take this up with the manupstairs who happens to be a
goat.
Speaker 2 (56:57):
It's like an early version of mousetrap.
Basically.
Speaker 3 (57:02):
I'm gonna say, do we, do we take visual artifacts or?
Speaker 1 (57:06):
mousetrap and then just say, hey, there's a good on
the roof.
Speaker 3 (57:09):
That's what it looks like to me.
That's that's kind of why I'mlike it looks really real.
Speaker 2 (57:13):
Listen, I want to say real, but I'm getting the game.
I have to catch up here andthere's only two left.
Speaker 3 (57:19):
Okay, so I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say it's not real
, just for the sake ofdifference.
Speaker 2 (57:22):
No, no, no, let's do that I'm saying say what you
want to say, then I'm basicallyjust gonna say, I said not real.
Oh, you said not real.
Oh, I thought you said real.
Okay, great, I will say real,then.
Great, I think it's real, Ithink it's stupid enough to be
real.
Speaker 3 (57:37):
And again, I want to, and it looks really like.
If this is, if this is not real, this is some exceptional
photos.
Speaker 2 (57:43):
I was gonna say that's okay.
So you think?
Speaker 1 (57:45):
hey potters, the goat on the roof is real.
Okay.
Speaker 2 (57:48):
Yeah, yeah, I wanted to lock in.
Speaker 1 (57:49):
Everyone's locked in.
Locked in it is real.
Speaker 3 (57:55):
Come on, let's go.
I mean it is, it does look very, very, very real and as much as
I believe in Delvin's amazingAbilities like that.
Speaker 2 (58:04):
Well, that was that would have been.
Except, honestly, I wasthinking that maybe, like they
changed like a word or two, youknow what I mean yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (58:10):
Like you said, is this mouse trap, and we Last.
Speaker 1 (58:14):
All right, who's the?
Speaker 2 (58:17):
goat of this game.
Speaker 3 (58:21):
Wow, or should it be, or should it be.
Speaker 1 (58:25):
Wow, the pillow fight game.
Ladies, leave your men at home.
The bed is full of pillows andwe are about to throw, oh Boy
ladies, leave your men at home.
The bed is full of pillows andwe are about to throw.
Speaker 3 (58:42):
Like people, look at this job like, just because of
the pitch, I want to say no, butI'm looking at this game.
I could totally, 100% imaginethis being now.
Speaker 1 (58:51):
I want to be clear what you're looking at.
I'm not saying it's reallyenough, but what you're looking
at is a game where you justimitate a pillow fight.
Speaker 3 (58:59):
Oh, oh by spinning wheels.
Speaker 1 (59:01):
Do you think that's something that someone really
made up as a product, orsomething that we thought was
hilarious?
Speaker 3 (59:09):
Yeah, okay, yes, no, if it's for girl, it's not a
thing.
You're saying I'll tell youwhat.
I'm not real, because girls arenot the ones who have pillow
fights.
Men who think girls have pillowfights are the ones, we imagine
.
Speaker 2 (59:21):
Them.
Speaker 1 (59:21):
Oh you think that problematic?
The problematic do a delve intonight.
Speaker 3 (59:27):
No, no, no, no, no.
I think that it's hilariousthat you thought like.
I think the fact that youthought it was hilarious makes
you not Problematic but don'tbut anything problematic.
Speaker 2 (59:35):
Men ran Milton Bradley back then and probably
tried to make this game,thinking that girls would and
still very meta possibly.
Speaker 3 (59:42):
I'm gonna say no, just on principle.
Speaker 2 (59:44):
I'm gonna go real.
I'm gonna go real, just onprinciple, just cuz we, we gotta
do.
Speaker 1 (59:48):
I think it's real, the pillow fight game.
Speaker 2 (59:50):
Wow, the pillow fight game.
I'm in.
Speaker 1 (59:53):
I Will absolutely do it.
It's real.
Wow, the pillow fight game was.
Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
I'm I'm actually okay with not winning this game.
I'm really okay with notwinning this game.
Just again, on principle.
I'm perfectly fine with with.
No, I'm normally not okay withnot winning, but I'm very not,
I'm very.
Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
You can take it, you can take the win, if you can
tell me.
Milton Bradley had two games,one for girls, which was wow,
the pillow fight game.
Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
And they had one for boys called pal the blank game.
Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
If you can tell me what the boys game was.
Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
You can take it.
You said how the blanket.
Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
So it's no, no, no, so it's a blank game.
So it's wow, the pillow fightgame for girls, and then there's
pal, the blank game for boys.
Can you tell me what the gamefor boys was?
Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
It either had to do with guns or punching people.
I'm gonna say sadly, I'm gonnasay guns.
Yeah, I think it is guns too.
Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
I like, so like the gun fight game Basically, I will
let Sundeep decide because,here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
The game is called pal, the cannon game for boys.
Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
Yeah, that's artillery, I'm gonna.
Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
In that case, our winner for this game by playing,
by by calling up the sexism ILove and take it in the end.
Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
You.
Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
This is I.
I want to be honest right here,not that I'm not be normally
honest, but I have to tell youthis is the best on podcast.
On TV show game I have everplayed.
This is the most fun yeah, Ihave ever.
You stepped it up like you went, you went for.
Jimmy Fallon and I'm very happyabout it.
Thank you it is an act, becausethis is freaking excellent.
(01:01:47):
I'm so, I'm so proud of you,baby.
Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
Oh, thank you, Thank you.
Well, I'm sure.
By the way, this means thatyou're technically the host next
week, because whoever wins thegame is the host.
Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
Fantastic, I was gonna.
I was literally just gonna say.
I was literally just gonna sayI'm so sad I have to leave
because I'm having so much funwith you guys.
So anytime I can come back, Iwill happily come back if you
will have me, because I'm so sadthat I have to leave and I love
you guys and I'm excited toplay.
Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
Thanks for sticking around with a story that we took
the extra time.
Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
Because, we had to figure out about wow thank you
so much of Lee, and we'll seeyou in less than a week at
Gencon.
Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
You will too, and anybody.
If you want to reach me, youcan find me at a few places.
You can find me online at sweeton, with three ease, because
apparently I am the only Indianperson that doesn't care about
spelling I, I.
You can find me.
You can email me at Anjali at Iam fun size calm.
That is a public-facing emailaddress, also private email
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This is purely me.
And then you see, sweet Anj, Iam fun size.
I'm missing something.
What am I missing?
I don't know, but you can askme one of those other fighters.
And Please, if you guys can,not only come visit us at Gencon
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It's an incredible cast.
It's the first time.
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All right, thanks, anjali, this is awesome.
Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
Thank you, guys.
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It's a Mandela.
It's a Mandela shirt with a d20at the center.
I mean, come on.
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So, folks, we also want tothank our Patreons, our patrons
and our listeners, and the waywe're gonna do it is by, of
course, shout not everybody butinstead of having son deep take
20 minutes to go find his guitar, that felt bad.
Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
That felt bad on my soul.
That was real.
That was real, that felt bad.
Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
Instead we are each week now gonna shout out, or
each episode gonna shout out,folks in a different genre and
this week.
Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
But the live chat is supposed to be able to pick, but
this week we just picked on ourown, okay.
Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
Yeah, inspired by the electronic rap game.
If you don't mind me taking thefirst one to set the tone
Sunday by all means.
All right kick it, kick it,here we go.
Oh here we go ready, you readyfor this here?
Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
we go.
Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
Joshua, right, you know that the try-in.
Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
Yeah, tell me I'm Carlo.
That's how you feel flow.
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Woozak, I got you back.
Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
Benjamin low Whoa, whoa, whoa.
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This could take forever Brown going to town.
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Miranda Hollinger.
What rise of hollywood?
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Vaden Know that I'm fading.
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going blue.
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God, level patreon, scribbles and flapjacks because
you know that we've got you back.
Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
And the thing about this last guy.
You know I'm gonna break itdown, okay.
Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
He's got a gorgeous face.
Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
He's the sexiest man in Ohio.
He's a god level.
Patreon in his name is the realBrandon.
Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
The show's produced by Diggle and now the show's
technical director in.
Speaker 3 (01:08:18):
Go out on the music.
Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
This is edited by Sean mayor, oh my gosh.
So do you guys do sing, andMolly's the very, and you know
this has been an importantproduction.
Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
I think we have a career in rapping.
I think we, I think, yeah, thatcadence is perfect.
Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
That you know that I'm set no notes.
Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
It's weird, I everybody unsubscribed to the To
the twitch just now, that'sthat must have been an accident.
Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
No one in chat unless .
Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
Well, hey, look, on behalf of our co-host and not
the prime minister, oman Rajam.
I've been the prime ministerand hosts on the perique.
Mayor Chuckers, be aligned andsmothered in Chani.
We'll see you next time.
You should, you should, you did you did though.
You did, anyway, you did.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hey everybody, welcome to ABCD.
I'm your, I'm your host, butI'm going to introduce my, my
lovely co-host.
He you've seen him in dimension20, but only because dimensions
one through 19 wouldn't haveanything to do with him.
Fools, fools, a lot of them.
That's Omar Najam.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you, oh, thank you,
thank you.
Thank you, folks, I would liketo introduce your host for this
week.
He has a monopoly on sayingsorry.
It's Sandeep Parikh.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Nice, I own all the sorry's, I own all the apologies
.
You get none.
By the way, I'm not justhosting, I'm Prime Minister, as
if you don't.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Oh, that's OK.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
The Prime.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Minister of the show.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
I don't know if I believed in the electoral
process that you?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
are you calling the election fraudulent Is?
Speaker 1 (01:11):
that what's happening .
I am 100% calling the electionfraudulent.
If it wasn't fraudulent, Iwould have won.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
You're going to destroy our democracy.
You're going to destroy it.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
It's been built on lies and I was hoping to
capitalize on those lies andthey came back and put me in the
ass.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Well, listen if you don't know what the heck we're
talking about.
We're talking about our lastweek's show, but this week's
show is all that matters.
Ok, and it's called ABCD.
It's American born ChattieDesi's.
It's a podcast, but we'reactually in a live stream and
that's inside of our lives astwo American born Desi's.
It's a pod duck in.
Ladies and gentlemen, this isfor anyone out there who, like
us, me and Omar, are navigatingour cultural identities and just
(01:47):
kind of want to chat it out.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
We are so excited because todaywe are going to be discussing
board games a little bit, but,more importantly, we're joined
by our very, very good friend,anjali Bhimani yes, who is?
We're essentially going to do areally fun announcement about
Gen Con.
I don't want to ruin it.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
That's going to come later in the podcast and about
Desi Quest is a fun announcementabout that I don't want to ruin
it.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I don't want to ruin it, but we get to sit down and
chat with our friend and aspiritual guide.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
I mean right, I mean I think she's my guru now.
I mean so we're listen, we're alittle insider based bubble.
We recorded, recording thisafter we did the interview.
Ok, and I just want to I'mgoing to prime the pump here,
because that interview wasawesome.
She, I feel like I just gotdropped like I don't know, like
a tome of wisdom, like, yes, youknow, I feel like I was like,
(02:41):
did I just read a Veda?
Like what happened?
Speaker 1 (02:43):
here I feel enlightened.
I feel stronger, better,smarter.
Definitely, and then after thatwe play a little game with
Anjali, which is.
There's a couple of board gamesthat are weird.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
And just a couple, just a couple.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
And they have to guess.
Are these real board games?
Are they games that Delvin andI came up with?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
I'm going to say this already easily one of the best
games we've ever played.
So you're in for a real treatfor this episode of ABCD.
Why don't we jump right in to?
Speaker 3 (03:17):
our interview with Anjali Bhimani oh yeah, oh my
gosh, I told you.
I told you, this is a big deal,my god.
So much for me.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
We sold out our auditorium because of you.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Yes, I just like to thank my mom and I'd like to
thank I don't know, I'm stoppingthat joke, it's not funny, I
just aborted it completely.
I was like no, I give up onthat one what's the opposite of
yes and no?
But Because anything else that.
I was going to say was going tooffend me.
(03:57):
So I was like I don't want tosay any of these things on this
podcast right now.
So we are off to a stunningstart.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
We're off to the races.
We're doing it.
This is amazing.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Should we you want to talk about it some?
More I want to get it to it.
Can we actually do a director'scommentary?
Yes, please.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Just say it back and do a director's commentary.
Yeah, anjali, I got to behonest.
It's better than maybe all ofour opening jokes that we've
done for the 23 episodes of ABCD.
We're doing great.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
I should not have given up on myself.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
No, no yeah.
That's number one to everybody.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Do not discount yourself for the rest of the
world.
There are plenty of people whowill say you suck.
You don't have to say it toyourself.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
A little bit of wisdom, I can just cut the last
question, which is what advicewould you give to people?
Because there it is, don't cutyourself.
That's just one piece.
But the director called cut.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
You don't have to cut on yourself.
We're in the pre-pod, so maybebring it up again and then you
know.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Are we in the pre-pod , though?
What is it?
Speaker 2 (04:57):
We're going to go very fast.
It's just to say hi to our chat.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Oh hi, chatty.
Honestly, I think we're Where'schat, did I follow?
Speaker 2 (05:06):
them.
I think we're just going tocall this the pod.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
This is just the pod now.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
This is just it.
Should we just pop right in?
We got underly for till 830.
Okay, and so we're just going.
We're gonna do this.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
That's right Only.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Since you're playing auntie right now.
This is just reminding me oflike when I have to do tech with
my parents, you know.
Yeah and go like okay, mom, allright, here's the okay.
Okay, so the mouse cursor.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Is the pointy, the thing that's pointing around and
I tell you, though, my mom Inhas insisted for decades that
she is bad at.
Technology has become such awits Hanging on with you.
Don't sound like me.
I'm the one who was messingwith my hair the whole time.
That's not your job.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
I look like I had a come over.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
I look at my parents, but here's the thing like she,
my mom for so many years wouldsay things like oh you know, I
don't know anything about that,or I don't know how to talk
about that, or I don't.
You know, my mother is like oneof the smartest people I've
ever met in my life.
She is about to turn 84 in likea week and a half, and she is
learning her fifth language.
(06:32):
Yeah and like she is this.
So anytime she would say likeoh well, I'm too dumb to know
that, or I, you know, your momis so stupid.
She'd say things like that.
I'm like, uh-uh, doesn't workanymore.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
No try to smart.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
You know, we know, we know mom your secrets out.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Yeah, she's like, you know she's, she's already like
invested in crypto and actuallymoney on it.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
She's like personally not invested in crypto, and
that's why she's smart.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
She does have her own point.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
I'm gonna be messing with my hair this entire time
because this is the first time Ihave ever, I always see you
guys.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Well, thank you, I, I , I am gonna accept your you go
ahead and you go ahead and messwith your hair as much as you
need.
They're the worst.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Headphones like why?
Why do they have to be this?
I'm gonna be a contrarian onthis.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
I kind of a little bit love headphones because for
me, I have poofy, dumb hairright now, but the headphones
like you, kind of masks.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
So see what they do for the female hair, for a lot
of female hair.
Do, they do is that they, theymash you down so you look like
you're wearing like a seventhgrade headband.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Like I feel like I'm having a little bit of PTSD,
right now.
I think it's like it's just notworking.
And then I tried, or triedbefore the pre-pod, or before
the pod, or before the whateverwe're calling this way, what are
put?
It begins all that these days.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
It's the pot.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
We're in the pod try putting it up on a ponytail.
I don't know you're on apodcast.
If you're listening to thepodcast, you can't see it.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
So I don't know why I'm talking about it.
No, describe it in detail.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Good exclamation point you got a compliment and
chat All right.
Thank you guys.
You're very sweet yeah.
I appreciate we appreciate yourability to To like me, to help
my ego.
I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
No kidding.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
I accept your compliments and I appreciate
them.
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
I'm Julie.
You are a freight train ofawesome and I'm gonna jump into
an actual introduction for thoseout.
I mean, I know we filled thisauditorium and everything, but
there are probably some peoplethat don't know you, foolish as
they are in the dark, you know,wandering around the universe,
going like you know, just likemissing something, not knowing
that they're missing something,but feeling in their heart like
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they're missing something.
And so let's introduce you.
I'm usually be mommy.
Can be seen as the vibrant, thelumen auntie love that word
play Auntie Ruby in Miss Marvelon Disney Plus.
Hello, no big deal.
And is known in the video gameworld as the voice of rampart.
So maybe that maybe a voicesounded familiar.
Like who is that?
(09:03):
That's rampart in apex legends.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Especially if I start talking like this and start
being a jerk.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Then you know like, yeah, because that's pretty much
her, her issues, just me withan accent, with me.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Just with no filter.
I feel like I'm closer to, Ifeel like I'm a lot closer.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
I want to be closer to Symmetra like elegant and
smart and, but I actuallyprobably lean closer to rampart
which is like don't you know,don't have no filter.
I'm gonna say things.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
So that's, that's punk a jaunty.
I got it Okay.
Or Symmetra and overwatch rightLive.
Play Darling, dare I sayextraordinary extraordinary is
another good word, and candelaobscura.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I hope I said that right goodness Xandria, oh my
goodness.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
And then goodness, you guys, uh-huh, we're not just
the presence of this actor,performer, voice actor person,
but also an author like I.
To me, that is a big deal.
Like I am, I feel like that isa huge, monumental achievement
to be an author of abest-selling book on the left
nonetheless, which is, I amfun-sized and so are you, so you
(10:16):
, everybody, should just goahead and just wait, go ahead
and buy that right now.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Wait we'll just wait time.
You guys are slaying me rightnow I have to show you, for
those, for those of you who cansee what's going on right here.
I want to show you what'shappening, yeah you work in this
room.
Oh, let's he went away, he fled.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Oh, let's let's crib this thing.
Let's go to a house tour.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Charlie, my dog.
Charlie, the best dog in theworld Legitimately just stood at
the door and looked at me likewhy, why aren't you coming down
to dinner?
What's wrong?
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Wow, giving you it's 8 30.
We got Charlie.
We have her till 8 30.
Please.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Yeah, sorry, I'm gonna do my dinner time, so I'm
gonna.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I'm gonna add something else to that list of
amazing credits, which is Starof they sequest.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Yes, heard of it, yes .
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Our podcast listeners will know it, as our one of our
sponsors of our show is.
They sequest it, sponsors thisshow.
It's the tiki RPG that iscoming out in.
We can't say when, but it'scoming out this year.
It's coming out soon.
We're excited about it.
We're in post.
It's happening.
You know we just released thetrailer, so go to this request
(11:31):
comment.
Check that out, but not justthe star.
I have one more thing to add,and we are announcing for the
first time ever, by the way.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Go, let's go, let's go that.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Anjali Bhimani is gonna be executive producing the
show alongside so excited soexcited.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
I cannot tell you guys how excited I am to be a
part of that team.
You guys, I mean, it's just I'm, I'm just gonna keep saying I'm
so excited, like I can't waitfor the world to see the world
that Jasmine has created andwe've set up, and what the
Kickstarter supporters have havehelped us to create.
It's just, it's anembarrassment of riches.
I'm so excited, I'm so excited,I'm so excited.
(12:10):
Friendly saved by the.
Bell lovers out there yeah weare excited to you, I mean
already like proven you're.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
You know you're worth your weight in gold For for the
show way that much.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Like I said, I am fun size.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
It's a tiny human, that's true but it's Nickers bar
full of gold, that it was justa gold that would be a snickers
bar would be such a tease Ican't buy a city with that.
So you know, it doesn't takemuch to be.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
That's what I'm thinking.
I'm like I wanted my Milky Wayand now I got, and I
specifically changed it to MilkyWay because I don't like but
listen, all, all, all thatawesome.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
This is the best interview ever.
It's just just talking you upand talking about food.
Now I'm just hungry.
We got.
We got people in chat veryexcited.
They're just yelling things outlike yo.
And so.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
I'm trying so hard, aunties trying so hard, to
juggle here and I'm not doing agood job.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
So your mouse cursor is the.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Is this, is this where I go, I go to.
I go to f and funny dot chat.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
That looks like the cover for Lincoln Park's hybrid
theory when you held it up.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Well, there's like, there's like an ad going on.
What's out?
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Yeah.
Why am I?
You have to yeah, becauseyou're not a subscriber, sorry,
what.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
I typed f and funny.
I typed f and funny, but Siri,freaking, changed it.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Is racist against us, siri is.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
I don't know if series racist, but I do know
she's trying to break up mymarriage and I'm not
appreciating it go on, well,okay, so how's that?
Well, she just like I don'tknow, like Wake up and we, like
Siri, turn off the filter in thebedroom.
Yes, okay, perfect, let me doeverything for you.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
You know, you can change the voice.
You can make it like.
You can make it like a gruffBritish guy Like you're like oh.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Yeah, no, it's not that she's that beats, just that
.
I don't like this.
She listens to everything, oh.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Well.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
I feel like there's no like safety and that I don't.
She's not on on my If yourhusband just wants somebody who
just does whatever, he'd bet youknow whatever, Thank God he
doesn't, because he married meand he knows he broke and he got
it so like he just, he's fullyaware that I will absolutely
take a bullet for him, but, moreimportantly, I will live for
him and that makes a whole.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Huge.
All right, I want to get listenout.
We got a little time.
I want to get into some.
I want to get we're not justhaving you on here because we
want to talk about this request.
I mean, that's all well andgood, but I think we want to get
to know you a little bit evenmore, like kind of your origin
story, so to speak.
Take us back, like what?
Because I think our listenersyou know a lot of folks who are
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South Asian out there, who wantto get into the arts, who are
looking for, you know, somemotivation to maybe confront
their parents about how to do itthat they can do it to that
kind of thing.
I'm wondering if you can kind oftake us back to when you
started out and you know, whendid you know you wanted to be a
performer?
And when do you know?
Do you know that you wantedthat to be your career?
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Yeah, so I feel like I kind of hit the lottery in
terms of, like, the particularset of parents they have hit the
lottery, guys.
Particularly.
I sorry I totally hit thelottery with my parents and the
reason I don't mean hit thelottery, I mean I've hit the
lottery with my life.
Yes, but that's come from hardwork and being in the right
(15:55):
place and opportunity and all ofthe things you know.
But so my parents, bothsurgeons, surprise, surprise and
but they met acting in a playin medical school.
What medical students have somuch free time on their hands?
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Yeah, I'm like what.
Two of them go to med schoolfor you.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
No, no, no.
They were in Mumbai back whenit was called Pompeii and my dad
was the leading man in thislike intercollegiate drama
troupe and my mom was a studentthere and he was trying to you
know they were they were tryingto cast someone opposite him in
the play and he kept vetoingeveryone.
That his best friend, who wasalso the the director of the
(16:34):
troupe.
He kept vetoing everyone.
The guy frustrated.
So my dad said, ok, the nextgirl that walks down those
stairs, I'll ask her.
And it was my mom.
No, and yes way and he went.
You didn't say no way, but Ijust added that he.
So he went up to her and, likeall big man on campus, tears
like hi, I'm better than I'm inbetween this play and all that
stuff.
And then my mom said I don'tknow who you think you are, but
(16:56):
maybe I'll do your play.
Let me talk to my mom.
And no one had really sassed mydad at that point in his life,
so naturally he was smitten andhe didn't want to see her either
.
You know he did not want to seeyou wanted in the law.
So they did.
They did the play and theybecame real, you know, dear
friends, and of course threeyears, and then you know, the
(17:19):
rest is history.
So good In a sense I there wasI'm not in the sense there was
already an appreciation ofacting in the family and I I
sort of felt, I think I fell inlove.
You know, like all little kidsdo, or most little kids, a lot
of little kids do is you know, Iput on little shows in the
living room and like I wrote aplay and on the playground in
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first grade and performed it forthe class and then we ended up
doing a mine unit because of it.
Like little things like thatgot me excited.
But then it started to show my,my artsy, started to show when
I would do like book reports andthings.
And also because, like, forexample, I played D&D starting
when I was eight and I decidedto do a report on I decided to
(18:04):
do a report on like medievalweaponry and I played out a
scene from Monty Python and theHoly Grail.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Like so you like play , acted your book reports.
You're like yeah, I turn thisinto an old presentation.
Exactly, Exactly.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Like I turned things into a show.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
So there's a few pyrotechnics, mr Sponsored,
we're going to do these outside,if that's OK.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
But then I think it was really in junior high when I
really started to fall in lovewith it.
And I remember seeing aproduction of Kismet at Cal
State, fullerton, and thecombination of loving the music
and loving the musical and thejust the spectacle of it, but
also even though I don't reallyknow what the ethnic background
(18:46):
of the actual performers was thecharacters were Middle Eastern
and at that point that was aboutthe closest thing I had seen to
someone who looked like mebeing on stage and I thought, oh
my gosh, I could totally do.
This is a thing I can do.
I can do this thing I.
This is awesome.
And so I did all the schoolplays.
And then I did communitytheater and I just kind of dove
into it.
But then somewhere in highschool I figured out, oh wait,
(19:08):
people like do this for a career.
Like this is a real thing, Icould do this for a living.
And so when I made thatdecision and I told my parents,
you know, first it was, yeah,sure, you want to be a
firefighter when you were five,right.
But then there was the secondlayer of why don't you get a
degree in something else?
And then you can do this andyou'll have a fallback and some
(19:31):
sensible options, but then I wastrying to fall back.
If I have a fallback.
I might fall back.
I'm not really interested inthat, and so then then, when
they realized how serious I wasabout it, they were like awesome
, treat it like you treateverything else Study as hard as
you can, make sure you'rereally good at it, make sure you
can make a living at it andmake sure you love it.
That's all we care about andthat's essentially what I did.
(19:52):
So there was no sense back then, and I talk about this a lot.
When I'm talking to to quoteunquote younger actors, I don't
mean age, I just mean in termsof freshness in your career?
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yeah sure.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
I didn't.
I treated it just like I wouldhave treated any other career.
I wasn't thinking about beingfamous.
I wasn't thinking about makingmillions of dollars.
I was thinking about making aliving doing what I love,
learning how to do it and beingreally good at it.
Right, I remember there was auncle who you know.
I was talking to him aboutwanting to go into acting and he
(20:28):
said oh, when are you going todo a movie with Tom Cruise?
Yeah, and I was like.
Ok, first of all, don't make funof me.
Second, I'm probably not goingto do a movie with Tom Cruise.
I'm going to be doing moviesand plays and projects with all
of my friends because we're allgoing to come up together.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Yeah, we're going to make really cool things.
That's amazing that you hadthat foresight, and then I also
said to him.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Well, I also said to him because I was kind of a dick
.
I also said to him uncle you'rea doctor, you're a doctor,
right?
And he said yeah.
And I said do you have to befamous to be a successful doctor
?
Because I'm pretty sure you'renot.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yeah, you're famous to be successful.
And when are you going to besuch in general?
Yeah, so you know like.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
so it was very much this, and I probably said it a
little more respectfully thanthat, because my sass has built
over time, but but just thatsense of trying to you were
touching his feet.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
I love, yeah, exactly Bowing down.
You know I was back and awayslowly.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
I was very defensive of don't ruin this thing for me.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Yeah, for many, many years.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
And I took it very seriously and I took my school
very seriously.
I went to Northwestern and I,like I just worked my balls off
while I was there, like I did,and, and and had the greatest
time ever doing it.
Um, but the one thing at thetime that was not necessarily
taught at Northwestern they may,they may, have changed things
(21:48):
now was the business of acting.
There was, it was sort of likeright, you have all these skills
, go with God.
And so I, you know, did, madeall the same mistakes that
everybody else makes along theway, and and figured things out.
But again, I lucked out becausethe first professional job I
had was at the Goodman Theater,with a director named Mary
(22:10):
Zimmerman, and for those of youwho don't know Mary Zimmerman,
she is a MacArthur genius.
She, uh, we went on to do 18productions together.
Oh, my gosh, which was my firstBroadway show, which is a show
called Metamorphosis, and she isjust an incredible creator, an
incredible human.
So I lucked into, I just luckedinto this incredible artistic
(22:32):
community in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
I do think the Chicago Theater community and
acting community is incredible.
It's a beautiful place to likebecome an adult as an actor.
It's a beautiful place to be anartist because it's a very
collaborative playing ground.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
We had.
We had, we had Purvis Chinon,oh yeah, so Purvis.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Yeah, he and I know each other from Chicago, from
Chicago Exactly, and he was liketalking about how he saw you in
plays and how that was.
So it's fun, yeah, yeah it'sfun and like and and it's and
it's.
It's been interestingInteresting is probably the
right word for it Hearing peoplewho are like currently very
successful actors and actressestelling me oh, I saw you in
(23:15):
Metamorphosis when I was inschool and you that inspired me
to do things, and part of me islike how old am I?
And?
Speaker 2 (23:21):
then the other part is very is very touched by that,
because I was breastfeeding onmy mother at the time and
exactly Exactly I was negativetwo years old when I was in
Yotaro and heard your voice, butwhat I appreciated about that?
Speaker 3 (23:36):
what I appreciate so much about that is that I did
not have that.
And yeah, and I did not.
You know, I grew up in OrangeCounty and California, which is
not the most at the time, wasnot the most diverse.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Right, right.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Now there's obviously a big Indian community, but but
I I never felt like I was.
I didn't feel a sense ofprejudice around me, I didn't
feel racism.
It was just like huh, you'redifferent, and so that was kind
of how I lived my life.
I was like I'm different, Iwanted to look like everybody
else, and I was very sad inbiology class when I discovered
(24:14):
that I couldn't have blondebabies.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
but I I also accepted the fact that like look, you
are something unlike you aresomething unlike what is around
you.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
I watched the movie.
I think it's called adoption,no, but.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
I know what you mean.
I'm just just sort of relatingfrom the point of view of
someone who's raised in NewHampshire was like, right, I
always felt this urge like this,this need to stand out, because
I do stand out and I wantedthem.
I wanted to stand out big andthen also want to fit in at the
same time.
I don't know if you relate tothat Totally makes sense
Absolutely.
Like what, which is kind ofpossible.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Also what what it did do for me is it kind of.
Even though, like so many kidsand so many adults, there was
this desire to belong and desireto fit in, there was also a
part of me that understood look,I am never going to be like
people around me, that is notpossible.
I'm never going to be exactlylike them, so I'm going to have
(25:11):
to be OK with that, and I'mgoing to and I'm part of that
means I'm going to have toexpress myself uniquely, in
whatever way.
I think that is, and so it'sthe first time I'm really I did,
I had, I still do.
I have an older brother who isthe greatest brother in the
history of mankind.
Sorry to all the other brothersout there, but he's just the
greatest and in fact he's theone who introduced me to D&D.
(25:34):
When I was eight years old hegot me the basic Amazing yes and
.
And just last Saturday was hisbirthday and I was down at Comic
Con doing the Candela panelwith Critical Role and we all
got to sing him.
The whole audience Sing himhappy birthday, that's fantastic
.
It was so cool because I toldhim, like guys, he's responsible
for being here, so let's, let'sgive him some love, so you've
(25:54):
done.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
You do TTRPG's right.
You're a CR Candela.
We're talking Dimension 20.
You're, you're.
You're getting all the InfinityStones.
You do Broadway.
You're a voice actor andcharacter in some of the most
popular games in history.
What, when you you conquer allthese different platforms of
(26:16):
performance, when you do, whatis your impetus for building
character?
What's your starting point?
That is just your core, likeyour ratatouille, zoom in the
eye and this is like whereyou're building from, because
these are not similar at all,like these are different
conventions for every type ofperformance.
Where do you, as an artist,start for character?
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Honestly, like I wish I could say there is one place,
but there isn't.
I at all, and I kind of, and Ikind of relish that.
It changes from project toproject.
It changes from medium tomedium.
Sometimes it is just somethingwhere I'm like I kind of want to
play this kind of character sothat's what I'm going to drop
for this TTRPG.
Other times I'll read a scriptand the thing that I will catch
on to will be one plot point orone physical description, or
(27:02):
something about this makes mefeel like this voice should
sound this way.
So there's no any, there'snothing, there's no one way.
I just I finally realized uh,many years into beating the crap
out of myself for being likewhy aren't you a better at this
technique or this technique?
You need to go to acting classfor this.
I finally realized no, no, no,no, no.
(27:23):
The whole game, the whole gameof life, let alone the whole
game of acting is, orstorytelling is.
Learn all the tools you can andthen have your own toolbox and
know how to use what tools thatwork for you on what job.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
That's it Like if I'm working on okay, I'm not a
handy person, but it's like ifI'm working on something that
needs a hammer, I'm gonna use ahammer, I'm not gonna use a
screwdriver.
But if I were constantly onlyusing an hammer for one thing,
for every single thing, that'snot gonna work, right, right, so
I um, and also creating thecharacter, uh, in every form of
(27:58):
storytelling, for the most part,is such a collaborative effort.
Yeah, um, that, that, andespecially when the script is
already written, or when, orwhen you walk into a video game
and they've already created thisbeautiful animated character
and you're just coming intovoice, it there's, there's,
there's so much that's alreadylaid out for you.
It really is just a game of yes, and it's really just a game of
(28:19):
you know what else?
Oh and, and about this, how,about this?
Oh.
So there's just this throwingthings at the wall.
A ttrpg is a whole differentthing, because obviously you get
to start with what you want tostart with and, like I said,
sometimes I mean sometimes it'ssomething very deep that I grab
on to, and sometimes it's just Iwant a character with this
accent.
Yeah, right, I don't want to belike a surfer dude in this.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Yeah, yeah, I just want to be like I, just I'm.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
I'm about to start filming one where, um uh, I just
uh I decided I was like youknow what I'm in a mood today,
so I want this character to be atotal dick yeah and that's who
it's gonna be.
That character is gonna be forthe rest of this like and it
might be, and it'll develop intosomething bigger.
Yeah, yeah, but it'll developinto something bigger, because
there's no way if you can'tstand it forever, yeah but also
(29:06):
there's when you've done thislong enough, or when you dive in
deep enough, and when you haveenough of a commitment to the
story.
You can't possibly leavesomething at one dimension or
two dimensions.
You, you just make it more andmore complex, because it's not
fun if you dumped.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Well, not, it's especially in tabletop, right
like, I feel, a role-play gamespecifically like yes, I think
like you know, that's what I'venoticed.
I'm relatively new to the space,but like I noticed that you
that, by virtue of of spendingso much time together,
eventually you, you have to getto some of the whys.
Like, why are we together?
Why are we adventuring?
(29:39):
Yeah, why are you here?
What are you fighting for?
Like you start to ask thesequestions and you and by you
know we're all improvisers, sowe're like gotta come up with
something.
Whether you've been meditatingor not, and, and I do think, yes
, and yourself, like whateveryou came up with in that moment,
right?
So?
Speaker 3 (29:55):
all of those things I do think need to be determined
somewhat.
Determined, either ahead oftime or in your session.
Zero, you know why are you?
Speaker 2 (30:03):
coming together.
Yeah, why are?
Speaker 3 (30:04):
you all here and there are like I.
It's very important to me withTTRPGs to know at least one
super strength, uh likecharacter strength and much talk
about ability squares, but likeone super strength, that this
like one place.
This character is awesome,really really good at and one
thing that is a.
That is a weak point, yeah, ora fear, or something.
(30:26):
That is an equal use of someflaw, yeah, and it's not
necessarily fatal flaw, thoughit could be but something that
either they perceive as a flawor something that the world
could perceive as a flaw becauseif I don't have that kind of
inner conflict going on.
It's, it's again.
I like that complexity.
Yeah, yeah, I really like thingsto have complexity and then
(30:47):
when you have other players likeyou guys and we have things to
play off of, then you can kindof sand the edges of the stuff.
Sure, I can kind of go in thereand be like, oh, this thing I
had kind of thought about myselfis not actually what's
happening once.
I'm opposite this personbecause now that I'm connected
to this character and I'm havingthis conversation, I realize,
oh, that thing, I thought aboutmy character is not actually
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true, cool and it's just like inreal life when you meet new
people and you have newrelationships.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
They change you that's the thing you're so
collaborative like, not likeeverything you do, you're just
so like let's share the energy.
And I feel like when we were atthe table at DaySeaQuest, it
was constantly like I felt likeanytime we interacted, you were
like I want to take you on, likeI need this from you, and it
wasn't just I'm talking at you,it was like I, we need to get
(31:35):
out of this room together.
For this reason, I was likethis is easy, like this, you
make it so easy to just be incharacter well, thank you that.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
That means a lot to me, because I do think one of
the greatest things about aboutTTRPGs, home games, shows,
whatever.
What?
The most beautiful things aboutthat is that it's not just
storytelling, it's collaborativestorytelling, which means you
get to create something that hasnever existed before, while you
are appreciating the virtuosityof the people across the table
(32:03):
and discovering things in themoment that couldn't be written.
So many of the TTRPGs that Ihave played the end, like the
shows that I've done you wouldnever in a million years thought
that that's how they were goingto end.
But that's how they ended.
Right and it became because ofthe role of the dice and the
commitment to the story andother people lifting each other
up and other people filling inwhere the other people couldn't,
and it that's just so fun and,as an actor especially, it's so
(32:27):
fulfilling, because we don'treally get that very often, if
at all.
Right, you're like a lot ofthings are scripted.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Yeah 100% and like you get these big emotional
payoffs in TTRPGs that you knowyou typically can't get in a
normal improv show you get itfrom TTRPG because we've done
the work before the groundworkof the sessions.
We did too for for for basicquests right, we did session
negative one and a session zeroand really laid out laid a bunch
of groundwork and I think wehad some huge emotional moments
(32:57):
that I did not see necessarilycoming ahead of time, and that
is that is so special.
Real quick, before we jump intomore unduly, I'm just gonna
take a moment to say, whilewe're talking about TTRPGs, hey,
we're all going to GenCon andthis podcast should be out
before we go.
So we would love for you to comevisit us at GenCon.
(33:18):
We're gonna be there at thenevermore space, which is
actually outside of GenConitself.
It's a, it's an off-site.
Oh, we're seeing, we're gonnasee Charlie the puppy, I think
right now there it is a littleshining situation is.
It is your puppy in that rug ohokay, there we.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Oh okay, I was like this is Blair.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Witch.
What happened here?
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Charlie, come here, charlie what's that?
Like for a second.
I was like was it the modemthat you wish?
No, sorry.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
I couldn't.
I did hard to do that this iswhy I'm better in front of the
camera no that.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Yeah, that was that's your directorial debut and it
was amazing, so, please, comevisit us at GenCon, at the
nevermore space 11 30 am onSaturday at GenCon.
If you're there, gencon, forthose that don't know, is like
the biggest tgrgbg or thetabletop convention, I think in
the US at least.
Right, it's a huge absolutelyit's massive.
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I've only been there once, oh,you know, oh.
I've been once it was such ablast.
Oh man, there's some coolinstallations and stuff there.
I played a the last time I went, at the only time I went.
We played like a live dungeontrue dungeon, I think it was
called with Will Wheaton andFelicia today and like it was
like you.
It was like you walk into amaze.
It was sort of like a roomescape before.
(34:47):
Room escapes were cool, but youplay as dnd characters and you
like roll against actual actors,playing like the ice princess
that you're fighting.
It was really fucking cool.
So highly recommend you gocheck it out.
But mostly, come, come, come,visit us at GenCon yes, if you
do, that sounds we'll befloating around Saturday and
Sunday all right back to ourschedule and we'll have time.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Yes, we'll have chai and snacks.
We'll have chai ready for youthat's right, 11, 30 in the
morning, so what more could youwant?
Yeah, we'll need it.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
I'll drop it.
I'll drop the link in the chatand how you can get tickets, if
they're hopefully stillavailable.
We're halfway sold out rightnow and we haven't really
announced it at all so jump inif you can, and I'll, and I'll
drop it into chat as well.
So, yeah, come, come, visit usall.
Right back to our regularscheduled unjali.
Yeah, we've got a question forDanny's corner.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Uh, and I think this is a great question to throw to
you um, does unjali have anyadvice for getting into
characters, both for ttrpgs andfor voice acting?
Slash pre-written charactersand finding what fits for them.
So finding that character, kindof like, you know, trying on
that costume, what to?
You right right right, uh, uh,guiding light for this works.
(36:01):
I'm, or I'm not doing this.
How do you?
What's that instinct?
Speaker 3 (36:04):
it's, and it's such a great question and it's such a
big question.
I'm not going to be able toattack all of it here, but part
of what I said before is is verytrue is usually when you read a
script or you you hear aboutlike a setting or whatever,
there's something that pops outat you, whether it is thinking
of a sound, whether it'sthinking of an image, whether
(36:26):
it's you read the script andthere's a particular line that
rings a certain way, there'ssomething that jumps out at you
and any one of those things canbe the starting point for a
character uh anyone.
It could be a word, it could besomething another character says
about you in a previous scene.
If you've been given the wholescript, that is very, very
helpful, but whatever is the onething that jumps out with you,
I feel like that's a lovely seedto start with, and just kind of
(36:49):
let it bloom and see and seewhat comes up.
Also, um, for actual likeon-camera work and and theater
work, I cannot stress enough andthis is gonna sound so cheesy,
but not cheesy, it was gonnasound so weird I cannot stress
enough the value of footwear, ifyou can figure out what it is.
Uh, what kind of shoes thischaracter wears.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
I've never heard this advice before in my life.
I love this.
Go okay.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
And the reason I say this is because when I am doing
a play and you get to techrehearsals and for those of you
who don't know, tech rehearsalsis when the costumes and the
lights and and the, and you'reon the set for the first time,
and when you put on that costumefor the first time, already
that's pretty magical, likeyou're putting yourself in the
in the clothes of the character.
But then when you figure outhow a character physically walks
(37:36):
in their own shoes, uh-huh,there is something that, just
For me, I just kind of settle inand sometimes when I want to
come up with a character, like,okay, here's an example for
Symmetra once, I you, I usuallyrun around in high heel boots.
It's a thing that I already do.
So the day that I showed up forthe first recording of Symmetra
(37:57):
, I was wearing my high heelboots.
Symmetra's got her high heelsand I was like cool, I see this,
this is gonna work for me and I, this posture is gonna work for
me, this whole thing is gonnawork for me.
I'm gonna wear these shoes forevery session that I have with
her, just to be able to be likeno, this is where she stands,
she's elegant, she's she's foot,she's not off-balance, she's
(38:18):
like she's got this eleganceabout her.
Nothing can knock her likethere's, there's something about
that and you can do that withAny wardrobe piece.
You can do that with you knowyour hair.
You can, it sounds.
It sounds Superficial but it'salso if you're in drama school,
a lot of times they say workingoutside in.
Oh yeah, you know, sometimespeople in in in drama school you
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end up doing a lot of animalwork to find Physicality of
certain animals.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Yeah, I remember doing that, your character
acting one-on-one, and you'relike why are we?
Speaker 3 (38:49):
doing this.
I don't understand.
This is dumb, but there reallyis something to I.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
I didn't mind it.
I got my face that licked I got.
I got licked in the face by avery pretty girl once, so that
was fine.
Oh, really into her wolfcharacter, pretty wool
apparently she was consent,please, ladies, gentlemen, but.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
But there is just something really lovely about
finding the physicality of acharacter that I really really
like.
And when I'm playing, ttrpg isobviously, you know, 90% of the
time, or most, I should say 90%,I don't know what percent, but
usually you're sitting and Forme finding the physicality, even
sitting, makes a difference.
I just like finding thephysicality of the character,
(39:34):
figuring out how, how they carrythemselves, what I think
they're wearing and how wouldthat be.
How do they breathe if you knowyou breathe differently when
you're in a corset?
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Yeah, oh yeah, differently, if you can bring.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Well, you ladies, here's a hot tip for you that I
got the first time I wore acorset.
Make sure you take a deepBreath.
Yes, and not a deep breathwhere you're sucking in your
stomach right deep breath, whereyour stomach just kind of
relaxes.
So you know that you can fullyget your when you get fitted for
your corset.
Don't worry about how tiny yourwaist is.
Worry about how full you canget your lungs.
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Otherwise you might pass out,and you don't want to do that
pro tips.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Unjuli, we, we lose you a little bit, so I want to
know it's okay.
I want to ask you one morequestion.
Then we're gonna play this game, which is just I, you know,
high point, low, low point.
I think it's easy to alwaystalk about successes.
I would love for you to talk,tell us about and I think we've
heard a lot of great high points.
So maybe tell us about a timein your career where it was like
real, a real challenge, ormaybe I don't know if you ever
(40:31):
had.
This moment did you have amoment where you were like I got
a.
Maybe I can still be a surgeonis.
Was there ever that moment Igot such a good one?
How did you power through?
Speaker 3 (40:41):
such a good one, so I can't remember if this was 2014
or 15, but you know, I justcome back from doing this, this
free, broadly run of a show.
Things were great.
Within the course of like threemonths, my manager dropped me
and then all of a sudden, I Icouldn't, I couldn't get shot in
(41:01):
LA, like I couldn't, I couldn'tget, I couldn't get an audition
, I'm alone book a job.
And I started doing all thosecasting director workshops.
When those were big.
I did like 52 of them in 40days like, oh my god, I was.
I was just go, go, go, go go andNothing really came out of
those and I was like, well, okay, obviously these are bullshit,
first of all, but second, butthe then I took a course with a
(41:26):
casting director, an auditioncourse, and At the beginning and
the end of the course we hadthis kind of like circle
conversation with everyone.
And the final day, and even inthe class, I was like I know,
I'm doing great work.
I'm doing great work.
At the end I just broke downcrying and I said I'm doing the
best work of my life and I can'tget anyone to see it.
And this casting director,christy Pays on.
(41:47):
God bless her said.
I think maybe you just need totake a break, and I don't mean a
break like quitting, I mean abreak from squeezing it so hard.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
I think you need to just like let yourself not.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
Let yourself not do okay, workshops, let yourself.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Some breathing.
Take a deep breath before youtie the corset.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
So what I did was Because obviously money was an
issue, because I couldn't getwork.
Yeah, I was like you know whatI'm gonna do?
I'm gonna drive for lift thissummer.
I mean, I drive my, I've drivemy friends around all the time.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
I have a.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
Prius.
It's very easy.
Why not drive around newfriends?
Yeah, and so I took this job.
I took that when I starteddriving for lift and there was
pressure East, obviously on mypocketbook, but also I was
having a chance to interact witha ton of people in a really fun
way.
Yeah, I'm not a person wholikes to go out to bars.
My, my husband, who's myboyfriend at the time he was on
tour, so I didn't really like Ijust wanted to hang out with
(42:41):
people, but I didn't want to go.
You know, I didn't want to doit the standard way, yeah, and
so it alleviated so much.
And I also remember during thattime I had I sat down with my
manager one day and I was likeI've never thought this before
but like Maybe this is theuniverse telling me that that
was it, but that's like the mostsuccess.
I maybe, I'm supposed to not dothis.
(43:02):
And she said to me and again Godbless this woman, she might.
I've been with my manager as arepresentative, either an agent
or a manager Since 2007.
Oh wow, that's super specialyeah so she said to me, she said
, honestly, you know what,usually when someone says that
to me, I tell them totally getit.
Why don't you take a break,like, just like, just stop for a
while, don't do this.
And if they want to quit, youknow, I let them quit.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
You're not allowed.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
You're too good, you're gonna figure it out.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
And as soon as she said that, I was like Because I
never, first of all, quittingwas never an option.
Yeah, I don't understand whyyou would quote, unquote, quit
acting, unless you hated it,because the only thing you need
to do to be able to act in someform for the rest of your life
is not die.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Yeah, the bar is low.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
Yeah, you eat, you be community theater, it might be
creating things with yourfriends, but that's all you have
to do is still be breathing andyou can create and you can act.
So quitting was never an option, whether or not I thought I
could be successful at it.
I was sure many times I've hadthat, but alleviating that level
of stress on it and andallowing myself to have a life
(44:09):
and being like you know what.
I am gonna travel, I will sitaround and wait for auditions.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
I love that you took both pieces of advice almost you
like.
Took the advice to step awayand the advice to not to like
lean in.
It's like you got, you got.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
Because it wasn't.
Yeah, it wasn't step away, itwas stop squeezing it.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Yeah, yeah, that's a difference.
Speaker 3 (44:27):
There's a big difference, right and that, I
feel like, goes on, goes forlife.
If you, if you want somethingso bad that you're just yearning
for it the whole time, you aretelling yourself you don't have
it.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
Right, oh, totally, I see you.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
If you're just like squeezing it like oh god, why
does that person successful andI'm not?
Well, part of that sentence isI'm not, I'm not.
Rather than being like, ratherthan using other people's
success or other people'sabundance or other people's
relationships as evidence ofwhat is possible, yeah, that,
that shift of like oh wow, so sodid that.
That's so cool.
That means that that's possiblein the world I wonder what else
(45:03):
is possible.
That's yeah when you stopsqueezing it so hard.
All of a sudden, there's thisflow of whatever is yours to
come through.
Right and I don't believe inthe whole like well, if I didn't
book the job, it's not mine andI'm supposed to feel good about
that.
Oh, it feels like shit.
You're allowed to feel likeshit, please let yourself be
disappointed.
Have your emotions, but don'tallow disappointment to turn
(45:26):
into Judgment of yourself andfailure.
That's the rejection.
That's how we feel rejected.
We don't get rejected by jobs.
You can't get rejected from ajob where only one person is
getting the job and the 99 otherpeople who auditioned Are
getting it.
That's not rejection.
That's one person got it.
Now young people don't suck.
Yeah, but the rejection part iswhen we tell ourselves I didn't
(45:46):
get that job, I'm such a loser.
Yeah, I can get that job and thefailure.
I'm never gonna succeed.
We reject ourselves Right, sohave the disappointment, allow
yourself to have it, feel it,bitch about it Whatever you need
to do, but don't use it asproof of what can't happen.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
Yeah, love it.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
I think, I think that's a big thing that keeps me
going.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
I think that's glorious and a great way to sort
of end our, our interviewsection.
Actually, do you have a littlebit time?
Speaker 3 (46:11):
Games.
Yes, okay, create thisbeautiful game.
Sorry, we'd love to play it.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
So, omar, take us away, let's play.
Since we are going to a boardgame convention, I feel like
it's perfect that we play a funlittle game about it, yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
All right, folks, we've got a couple of games here
and, uh, some of them are real,some of them are fake.
What's gonna?
Happen is we're gonna tell youthe game and I'm gonna give you
a little pitch on the game.
You got to tell me if it's realor fake.
Okay, oh boy, I'm bad at thesethings all of the pitches I have
made up.
Okay, so all of these pitchesI've made up, but the some games
(46:44):
are real, some are not.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
Oh, so the description fantastic game.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
So the picture that even the real games, yeah, okay
even the real games are.
But these are.
Are these are tabletop games orthese are video games or these
are board?
Speaker 2 (46:56):
games board games are all board games in honor of gen
con.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
So here we go.
All right, folks, town dump.
This game is the dumps, thetown dump, that is.
Speaker 3 (47:08):
This is a game where kids get to run.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
The town dump and find out what it's like to take
care of the trash Real or fake,hold, hold, wait, hold on a
second because there's an imageAlways supposed to be seeing.
This Did you.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
Are you saying that you potentially every board game
has an image?
Every game has an image.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
Okay, can I just say bravo for that, that is amazing.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
I'm so, I'm so in.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
Anjali, no, looking it up.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
No, I'm looking at this because I can't see on my,
on this, on the whatever we'reon stream, yard stream, dream
con, I don't know what this is Ican't see it, it's too.
Speaker 1 (47:46):
It's too blurry so I'm looking at all right.
So, true or real or fake, towndump.
Speaker 3 (47:53):
I hope it's fake.
Please let it be fake.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
Are you voting fake on today?
I'm voting fake, okay.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
Okay, I want to, just because I got the four-year-old
who he is obsessed with garbagetrucks like True story, kids
would love this game.
Speaker 3 (48:07):
If it's not, I was gonna say if it isn't real,
someone's gotta make.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
I'm gonna say if this isn't real, I want to make it,
because kids can't go nuts forthis game.
I want to say real, I thinkit's real, let's go.
Speaker 1 (48:18):
Okay, ready, I want it to be.
So I'm usually say fake Son Dp.
Say real three, two, one.
Delvin reveal Is it real orfake?
That's right, it is real.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
Wait, how do we know?
Speaker 3 (48:32):
like so suddenly, if you're okay.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
I guess I'm on that side.
Speaker 3 (48:35):
You're on that side.
Okay, okay, okay town dump withmotorized action bulldozer.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
The box unfolds into a large town dump with boxes of
garbage in the middle.
Speaker 3 (48:44):
Can we play this?
Speaker 1 (48:45):
game at jen con.
Speaker 2 (48:46):
Oh my gosh, please we have to get it.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
Players take turns revving the motorized bulldozer
and sending it into the dumpwith their side of the board,
the object of the game is topush as much trash as you can
out of the dump on youropponent's side.
Speaker 3 (49:00):
Oh, excellent your job is to dump on your friends.
How do we dump on your friends?
Speaker 1 (49:05):
Okay, so sunday's got a tiny little lead, but it's
anyone's game right now.
Speaker 3 (49:08):
Are you ready for?
Speaker 1 (49:08):
the next one.
Yes, all right.
This next game is called nextin line.
Heavy is the head that wearsthe crown, so off with their
head.
This is a game where kids getto learn about how Rules and
responsibilities are passed downthrough the british monarchy,
depending on who dies and isnext in line Real or fake.
Speaker 3 (49:32):
No, I say no.
My shirt says no.
No, absolutely not.
I say no no, no.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
Why are you so confident?
It's not.
Speaker 3 (49:41):
It's I, I, I, I'm, I'm just.
I veto it whether it is,whether it is real or not.
I am vetoing this game.
I, I say no.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
No, okay.
Speaker 3 (49:52):
No, I love that.
I the king is dead.
Who lives next?
Long live whoever is next.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
No, no, absolutely no .
If it said whomever is next, Iwould have said yes too, but it
doesn't, so I'm gonna say no aswell, I think this is bogus.
Speaker 1 (50:06):
Wow, you both say no, yeah, I crash in anigans.
You're not gonna believe this,but you're correct.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
It is fake.
This is a game that we made up.
It's a good game, though Wellplayed.
Yeah, it is a good.
In light of the, you know thequeen's passing, it's a good.
Speaker 3 (50:21):
I like that.
It's also.
I think you have like theMilton Bradley thing in the
corner.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
This is all delvin's photoshop photo manipulation
abilities.
We're very excited.
Excellent, we're very excited.
This will be the next movie.
Speaker 3 (50:36):
I'm a little bummed the town dump is real because I
thought maybe we had a like amoneymaker on our hands.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
Guys, I think well, maybe this next one will be our
go-to We'll find out.
Are you ready for, uh, thieleAmili, uh, touchy, touchy, the
hands-on game that really getsyour hands on no, stop it.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
This is, this is the gate.
Speaker 3 (51:00):
It's like the opposite of the game of consent
basically, I'm so oh no, this ispetrifying.
Speaker 1 (51:08):
Wait so what's the pitch?
Give me the pitch.
The pitch is touchy touchy, thehands-on game that really gets
your hands on.
Speaker 3 (51:17):
I mean, I'm, I'm, what's.
What's killing me right now isimmediately.
I'm like that's probably a game.
Like an oldie timey game, likemaybe a game from like when,
when we were kids, like I feellike this would have been a game
in like the early 80s, like Icould totally feel this.
Speaker 2 (51:34):
Don't play this game with uncle trevor.
Speaker 3 (51:36):
Oh, no, all right.
Speaker 2 (51:38):
I'm gonna say.
I'm gonna say it's not real.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
What do you say?
Speaker 3 (51:42):
I'm gonna say it's real, I'm gonna say it's real,
Because also.
I feel like it's like one ofthose games where, like you
blindfold yourselves and you putyour hands in different things.
I'm just gonna say yes, becauseit's so horrible.
I want to change my All right.
It's so horrible because it'sso horrible.
Speaker 1 (51:59):
Okay, let's reveal it .
Speaker 2 (52:02):
No, I'm locked in.
I already said it.
I meant to, actually meant tosay real and but I said not real
, so let's just take it.
Well, you might get a point.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
You might get a point .
It is real All tied up.
So play begins with all theitems inside the box and the
stack of cards in the top of thebox.
Speaker 3 (52:20):
The top card is real.
Speaker 1 (52:22):
Players put their hands inside the box to attempt
to recover by feel, only theitem pictured on the card.
The winner is the player whofinds more of the items it's
glory.
Speaker 2 (52:32):
All the game is what it is that's terrifying.
Speaker 3 (52:36):
That is terrifying.
No, but that like they justmade it sound dirty, it's not
actually a really mealy mealyyeah there's a couple more.
Speaker 2 (52:45):
Let's do it, it's anyone's game.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
Are you ready?
Yeah, all right Next up, we'vegot vanilla ice wrap game.
That's right.
The vanilla ice electronic rapgame ice, ice baby, more like
nice, nice baby.
What do you?
Speaker 3 (53:00):
do.
I don't understand what thegame that's all you got Is it
real.
Speaker 2 (53:05):
I think I might have had this game.
I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (53:11):
I don't know, I own this game.
Speaker 2 (53:12):
I own this game.
I would.
If I, if I my parents would letme buy anything, I would
probably bought it, I was, so Iwas obsessed with the meet up
games would say I want this tobe real, I'm going to go real.
Speaker 1 (53:25):
I'm going to go real with an electronic one box Okay.
Speaker 3 (53:28):
Yeah, I think it feels very I wanted to be real,
because again, it's so bad, okay, okay, so bad, and I get yeah.
Speaker 1 (53:37):
I mean, I was like oh , I'm going to approach it, oh
yeah.
Speaker 3 (53:41):
Oh, I feel like I was like oh, I'm going to approach
Right.
And there's another reason, andI hope this doesn't sound.
I feel like the fact that it'svanilla ice and that there's a
bunch of occasion folks on here,I feel like that there's
something about that that feltlike, yes, this could exist.
(54:03):
I do not see.
Speaker 2 (54:04):
Actually, every black child that auditioned to be on
the box is like no, yeah, I'mnot doing it.
Speaker 3 (54:10):
No, like it might my like.
Everything in my soul tells methis is yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:14):
I'm not doing this.
Speaker 3 (54:15):
But this, this, this, this yeah.
And I hope that doesn't offendanyone, because some of the most
soulful people that I know andsome of the best rappers I know
are Caucasians.
Yeah and there are people ofall colors and all backgrounds
who can do all sorts of musicand all sorts of things.
There's just something aboutthese are some gory skin.
Speaker 2 (54:34):
Yeah, no, yeah, you don't apologize.
Speaker 3 (54:39):
This is.
Speaker 2 (54:40):
This is very much a go to him.
What's crazy what's crazy is isthat that little boy in the
right is actually Eminem.
Speaker 3 (54:46):
Yeah, yeah, his origin story, we've got three
more folks, so this is gonna getaggressive because someone's
gotta take it Okay okay, allright, next up, we've got
business monkeys, bull market,bear market.
Speaker 1 (54:59):
How about monkey market?
Speaker 2 (55:01):
That's bananas.
Speaker 1 (55:02):
I'm out.
Speaker 3 (55:06):
No, it's not real.
Speaker 2 (55:08):
Not real?
Speaker 3 (55:09):
It's not real.
Speaker 2 (55:10):
I mean, you both think it's adorable.
Speaker 3 (55:12):
It's freaking adorable.
Speaker 2 (55:14):
Well, I play, it is it is not real.
Speaker 3 (55:16):
I want to be a business monkey.
In fact, I kind of feel like Iam a you know, what?
I climb all over the place andI do business, so I'm I don't
eat bananas.
Speaker 2 (55:27):
Bananas are not, you know, I'm switching because we
got, we, we got to have someOpposition here.
Speaker 3 (55:31):
I'm just gonna switch to real.
Speaker 2 (55:33):
I'm gonna go.
Speaker 3 (55:33):
Okay, it's definitely not real.
Speaker 2 (55:35):
I okay Well it's the second edition, so it's gotta be
.
Speaker 3 (55:39):
Second edition.
I mean, what was the firstedition, I wonder?
Were they like it was?
Speaker 2 (55:46):
Intern monkeys.
There's a lot of Unpaid internmonkeys unpaid intern monkeys
exactly.
Speaker 1 (55:52):
Believe it or not.
This is fake.
Come on, made up Businessmonkeys, invented by my roommate
, mira Stella.
What I just went?
Hey, give me a fake, fake boardgame name.
And they went business monkeys.
Speaker 2 (56:09):
That's amazing.
Speaker 3 (56:11):
Already the chat right now.
I'm just.
Speaker 1 (56:16):
If a bunch of monkeys could write Shakespeare, I mean
, imagine what a corporationcould do and then walked away.
Speaker 2 (56:21):
That's so funny apropos of nothing.
Speaker 1 (56:24):
Yeah, oh.
Speaker 3 (56:32):
TV right.
Here we go two more, so this iswhere it's gonna come down the
line.
Speaker 1 (56:34):
Are you ready?
This is our penultimate gameWe've got.
Hey, pa, there's a goat on theroof.
Take this up with the manupstairs who happens to be a
goat, real or fake.
I'll let you go first.
I don't.
Speaker 3 (56:48):
I don't understand the game.
Speaker 1 (56:52):
Wait, hey, there's a goat on the roof.
Take this up with the manupstairs who happens to be a
goat.
Speaker 2 (56:57):
It's like an early version of mousetrap.
Basically.
Speaker 3 (57:02):
I'm gonna say, do we, do we take visual artifacts or?
Speaker 1 (57:06):
mousetrap and then just say, hey, there's a good on
the roof.
Speaker 3 (57:09):
That's what it looks like to me.
That's that's kind of why I'mlike it looks really real.
Speaker 2 (57:13):
Listen, I want to say real, but I'm getting the game.
I have to catch up here andthere's only two left.
Speaker 3 (57:19):
Okay, so I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say it's not real
, just for the sake ofdifference.
Speaker 2 (57:22):
No, no, no, let's do that I'm saying say what you
want to say, then I'm basicallyjust gonna say, I said not real.
Oh, you said not real.
Oh, I thought you said real.
Okay, great, I will say real,then.
Great, I think it's real, Ithink it's stupid enough to be
real.
Speaker 3 (57:37):
And again, I want to, and it looks really like.
If this is, if this is not real, this is some exceptional
photos.
Speaker 2 (57:43):
I was gonna say that's okay.
So you think?
Speaker 1 (57:45):
hey potters, the goat on the roof is real.
Okay.
Speaker 2 (57:48):
Yeah, yeah, I wanted to lock in.
Speaker 1 (57:49):
Everyone's locked in.
Locked in it is real.
Speaker 3 (57:55):
Come on, let's go.
I mean it is, it does look very, very, very real and as much as
I believe in Delvin's amazingAbilities like that.
Speaker 2 (58:04):
Well, that was that would have been.
Except, honestly, I wasthinking that maybe, like they
changed like a word or two, youknow what I mean yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (58:10):
Like you said, is this mouse trap, and we Last.
Speaker 1 (58:14):
All right, who's the?
Speaker 2 (58:17):
goat of this game.
Speaker 3 (58:21):
Wow, or should it be, or should it be.
Speaker 1 (58:25):
Wow, the pillow fight game.
Ladies, leave your men at home.
The bed is full of pillows andwe are about to throw, oh Boy
ladies, leave your men at home.
The bed is full of pillows andwe are about to throw.
Speaker 3 (58:42):
Like people, look at this job like, just because of
the pitch, I want to say no, butI'm looking at this game.
I could totally, 100% imaginethis being now.
Speaker 1 (58:51):
I want to be clear what you're looking at.
I'm not saying it's reallyenough, but what you're looking
at is a game where you justimitate a pillow fight.
Speaker 3 (58:59):
Oh, oh by spinning wheels.
Speaker 1 (59:01):
Do you think that's something that someone really
made up as a product, orsomething that we thought was
hilarious?
Speaker 3 (59:09):
Yeah, okay, yes, no, if it's for girl, it's not a
thing.
You're saying I'll tell youwhat.
I'm not real, because girls arenot the ones who have pillow
fights.
Men who think girls have pillowfights are the ones, we imagine
.
Speaker 2 (59:21):
Them.
Speaker 1 (59:21):
Oh you think that problematic?
The problematic do a delve intonight.
Speaker 3 (59:27):
No, no, no, no, no.
I think that it's hilariousthat you thought like.
I think the fact that youthought it was hilarious makes
you not Problematic but don'tbut anything problematic.
Speaker 2 (59:35):
Men ran Milton Bradley back then and probably
tried to make this game,thinking that girls would and
still very meta possibly.
Speaker 3 (59:42):
I'm gonna say no, just on principle.
Speaker 2 (59:44):
I'm gonna go real.
I'm gonna go real, just onprinciple, just cuz we, we gotta
do.
Speaker 1 (59:48):
I think it's real, the pillow fight game.
Speaker 2 (59:50):
Wow, the pillow fight game.
I'm in.
Speaker 1 (59:53):
I Will absolutely do it.
It's real.
Wow, the pillow fight game was.
Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
I'm I'm actually okay with not winning this game.
I'm really okay with notwinning this game.
Just again, on principle.
I'm perfectly fine with with.
No, I'm normally not okay withnot winning, but I'm very not,
I'm very.
Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
You can take it, you can take the win, if you can
tell me.
Milton Bradley had two games,one for girls, which was wow,
the pillow fight game.
Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
And they had one for boys called pal the blank game.
Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
If you can tell me what the boys game was.
Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
You can take it.
You said how the blanket.
Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
So it's no, no, no, so it's a blank game.
So it's wow, the pillow fightgame for girls, and then there's
pal, the blank game for boys.
Can you tell me what the gamefor boys was?
Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
It either had to do with guns or punching people.
I'm gonna say sadly, I'm gonnasay guns.
Yeah, I think it is guns too.
Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
I like, so like the gun fight game Basically, I will
let Sundeep decide because,here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
The game is called pal, the cannon game for boys.
Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
Yeah, that's artillery, I'm gonna.
Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
In that case, our winner for this game by playing,
by by calling up the sexism ILove and take it in the end.
Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
You.
Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
This is I.
I want to be honest right here,not that I'm not be normally
honest, but I have to tell youthis is the best on podcast.
On TV show game I have everplayed.
This is the most fun yeah, Ihave ever.
You stepped it up like you went, you went for.
Jimmy Fallon and I'm very happyabout it.
Thank you it is an act, becausethis is freaking excellent.
(01:01:47):
I'm so, I'm so proud of you,baby.
Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
Oh, thank you, Thank you.
Well, I'm sure.
By the way, this means thatyou're technically the host next
week, because whoever wins thegame is the host.
Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
Fantastic, I was gonna.
I was literally just gonna say.
I was literally just gonna sayI'm so sad I have to leave
because I'm having so much funwith you guys.
So anytime I can come back, Iwill happily come back if you
will have me, because I'm so sadthat I have to leave and I love
you guys and I'm excited toplay.
Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
Thanks for sticking around with a story that we took
the extra time.
Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
Because, we had to figure out about wow thank you
so much of Lee, and we'll seeyou in less than a week at
Gencon.
Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
You will too, and anybody.
If you want to reach me, youcan find me at a few places.
You can find me online at sweeton, with three ease, because
apparently I am the only Indianperson that doesn't care about
spelling I, I.
You can find me.
You can email me at Anjali at Iam fun size calm.
That is a public-facing emailaddress, also private email
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This is purely me.
And then you see, sweet Anj, Iam fun size.
I'm missing something.
What am I missing?
I don't know, but you can askme one of those other fighters.
And Please, if you guys can,not only come visit us at Gencon
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All right, thanks, anjali, this is awesome.
Thank you so much.
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Thank you, guys.
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and our listeners, and the waywe're gonna do it is by, of
course, shout not everybody butinstead of having son deep take
20 minutes to go find his guitar, that felt bad.
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That felt bad on my soul.
That was real.
That was real, that felt bad.
Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
Instead we are each week now gonna shout out, or
each episode gonna shout out,folks in a different genre and
this week.
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But the live chat is supposed to be able to pick, but
this week we just picked on ourown, okay.
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Yeah, inspired by the electronic rap game.
If you don't mind me taking thefirst one to set the tone
Sunday by all means.
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we go.
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Joshua, right, you know that the try-in.
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Dainis corner, feeling kind of hornier, I only
going blue.
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Raylin Fox, cuz you invest in in stocks.
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And you know this girl cuz she's got the spark.
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God, level patreon, scribbles and flapjacks because
you know that we've got you back.
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And the thing about this last guy.
You know I'm gonna break itdown, okay.
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He's got a gorgeous face.
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He's the sexiest man in Ohio.
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Patreon in his name is the realBrandon.
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The show's produced by Diggle and now the show's
technical director in.
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Go out on the music.
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This is edited by Sean mayor, oh my gosh.
So do you guys do sing, andMolly's the very, and you know
this has been an importantproduction.
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I think we have a career in rapping.
I think we, I think, yeah, thatcadence is perfect.
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That you know that I'm set no notes.
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No one in chat unless .
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Well, hey, look, on behalf of our co-host and not
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