Holi Ramadan Batman, It's the Easter Bunny! ~ Article 370, Vogue India, Chess Master - (A·B·C·D) Sn2 Ep1 - American Born Chatty Desis (A·B·C·D)

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Sandeep Parikh (00:01):
Oh we got that.
Hey, we're in season two.
We're in season two.
We're doing it right now.
I'm using that as the cue.
We're inside of season two ofABCD.

Omar Najam (00:15):
This is a podcast, folks.
Okay, that's it right.
No, it's a podcast within alivestream, that's it right.
No it's a podcast within alivestream, within our lives as
two American-born Desis.
This is a pod duckin'.
This is for anyone out therewho's like us.
You're navigating your culturalidentity and you just want to
chat it out.
Welcome to the show, folks, andwelcome to season two.

Wow, this is great.
I'm so happy to be back withyou.
I mean, I didn't go too faraway from you, specifically,
omar, because we were doing DesiQuest.
That's kind of why we were downfor a bit, but I'm, of course,
always excited to get back intoit and kind of figure out our
lives as American-born Desis.
So, on tap for today.

(00:59):
We've got what's got usconfused.
We got that's our new sort ofnew segment.
We go through some stories thatare in the diaspora, or stories
from India or from thesubcontinent.
They're just like, okay, we'retrying to suss this out.
We're going to try to figure itout together.
Second up Auntie versus AuntieWatch 2024.

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What is that?
You're about to find out whatthat is.
Auntie Vee.
Auntie 2024.
Third up we're going tointerview.
We got a special guestinterview with one of India's
most well-known game developers,Indrani Ganguly.
So super excited about that.

(01:40):
Omar did that interview.
So it's juicy, right, juicy.

Omar Najam (01:46):
It's very juicy.
We get some details.
Okay, amazing, we get somegossip.

Then we're going to play our game, which this
week it's called Holy RamadanBatman.
It's the Easter Bunny.

Delvan Neville (02:01):
I'm so excited for this.
We're back.

That's Holy.
That's Holy spelled H-O-L-Iwe're back.
For those of you familiar withthe holiday, we're going to get
into that.
So it's, you know, it'sspringtime, let's get into the
spring festivals and then weclose out with Desi of the Week.

Omar Najam (02:20):
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It really just came aboutorganically.
Like someone at NPR reallyloved the show and wanted to
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Like that's wild to me.

Omar Najam (03:36):
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Yeah, yeah, Pretty amazing.
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We might be doing some.
We might be doing some watchparties in our, in our discord,
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The finale is going to dropshortly.

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Omar Najam (05:44):
And what do you got lined up?
You have fun action film likeBattleship Potemkin.
You like the Bison movie?

Yeah, yeah, yeah , I'm really.
Eyes and staining is wherewe're going.
We're just going to go earlyyeah.
I'm just going to go throughstraight straight through film
one to one stuff chronologicallyyeah, yeah.
I'm just going to regurgitate,yeah, my modern cultural media
class from from Brown.
No, what do we have lined up?

(06:09):
We just watched polite society,which was super cool, and then,
I believe, next up we're goingto check out the Oscar award
nominated film past lives.

Omar Najam (06:22):
Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, so, yeah.
So we got got some, got somecool stuff, got some cool stuff.

Omar Najam (06:26):
Amazing, amazing.

So the project itself, just like I'll give you
a little bit of juice on on onit.
It's a.
It's a.
It's a sort of a.
There's like a sci-fi hook, butreally it's a.
It's a story of of an IndianAmerican girl who is going
through going through the veryconfusing grief process that we

(06:50):
have laid out for us.
It's like a 13 day ceremonythat it's sort of like you know
how Jews folks will sit, sit,shiva kind of thing, so it's
like littered with all of these,these pujas and these and all
these rites and rituals, and itcan be very confusing.
So it's something that you know, we've all experienced and it's

(07:11):
actually kind of a comedy aboutgoing through that experience.
And then this kind of majorsci-fi event happens that I
don't want to give away thatsort of flips, that lens on the
whole thing.
So I'm really excited to get myhands, you know, in the
creation of making this reallyawesome film that that Rekha
wrote.

Omar Najam (07:32):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yeah, amazing.
And before we hop into the news, folks, we just want to wish
everybody a Ramadan Mubarak.
It is, the festivities starttonight.
It is a month of observation,reflection, meditation and also
charity work, so we want to justwish everyone to have a very,
very happy Ramadan right now.

Yes, which is also partially the lend itself
to the game that we're going toplay later.
Okay, okay, I was wondering ifwe wanted to get into that.
Okay, we'll wait for the game.
All right, so let's get intoour first segment.
What's got us confused?
All right, for the first story,we have an astronaut's secret

(08:17):
wedding.
That's right.
You heard me.
You heard me right.
You heard me right, okay.
Next is item 8 from AgnaniRobin Mara, who is about to be
entitled to~]ht Gaganyan pilotgroup captain Prasant
Balakrishnan Naseer, hours afterPrime Minister Narendra Modi

(08:40):
released the names of the fourIndian Air Force pilots who will
be on this mission to be theIndia's first humans to travel
into space.
So what's kind of which issuper exciting?
It's kind of wild about it isthat she had to wait, before
revealing her arranged marriageto him to maintain the legally

(09:03):
mandated anonymity.
And I think what's confusingabout it is what, but why, why?
Why did they have to wait to beanonymous?
I you know it's a, I'm notentirely sure I read the article
.
I was, you know, relativelyconfused.

(09:25):
I don't know what's your takeon it, omar.

Omar Najam (09:29):
So so it's.
There's like a there's a statusof anonymity that needs to be
maintained, which is why youcan't publicly announce a
wedding.
Is that correct?

Yeah, but like you know, I think I I guess the
wedding happened before theyannounced who was going to be on
the ship right.
Right, Um, but like I don'tknow how finding out that they
got married would give away thathe was going to be selected.
Yeah, like people get marriedall the time.

Omar Najam (10:04):
Maybe, right, that's true.
Like I'm thinking like, if it'syeah, well, okay.
Like, let's say, like we'reannouncing, like we're like, oh,
who's going to be in theFantastic Four, and then
someone's like um, pedro Pascalis attending a wedding, also,
he's going to be in theFantastic Four, that would give
it away.
I'm missing the connection hereof like how, of like they're

(10:27):
just like, yeah, where are yougoing for your honeymoon space?
Oh, I mean, shoot, yeah exactly.

Uh, we're going to one of the moons of Jupiter.
Oh gosh, did I say give it away?
Uh, I think, like, maybe it'sthat you know and forgive me, I
know really relatively littleabout, about these folks, but
like, maybe, like his friendswere like dude, you know this
actress, lena, she's so out ofyour league.
Like, if we announce that yougot, you got married to her,

(10:57):
like everyone's going to be like, oh, he must have got the
mission.
Like there's no way she'smarrying a non-astronaut, I see.

Omar Najam (11:03):
You're right.
Yeah, that's not happening,yeah.
So, it's like a non-astronaut.
No, no, are you kidding?

She's not marrying some, some, you know,
earthly bound.

Omar Najam (11:14):
She's not marrying your tarnass.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, yourearthbound body.

It's celestial human being or nothing you know,
for you know, I'm not sure, butit's interesting.
Because so this?
So, because they had tomaintain this anonymity, the
parents were allowed to attend,but like their siblings were not
allowed to attend, um, and theyall just sort of.
Like you know, we understandthat, like you know, prashant's

(11:44):
job is has the strict protocol.
So like we're just going to,like I don't know, zoom in.
I don't even think they evendid that, like I'm not sure?

Omar Najam (11:51):
No, now I see.
Now I see what this is.
Now I see what this is, becausethere's some folks in my family
that I wouldn't want at mywedding.
This is a ruse.
I now understand.

Okay, you're right, this makes so much sense.
It's just a cut down that likethey just didn't want the like
giant Indian wedding.

They were like this is the best way to do it,
and that was for him to join aspace program.

Omar Najam (12:13):
That's the way out and be on the first manned
mission.

That's the only way that he could tell his mom
to be like.
I'm so sorry, but, like youknow, uh uh uh, romesh uncle is
just not a I just don't want himat the wedding.

Omar Najam (12:28):
Oh, your cousin's looking forward to the wedding.
Oh you know I, now they thinkabout it.
I'm going to be on the moonthat night.

Um, I like it All right, so let's write the
story.
Do we feel like we are moreinformed?
We are more confused or morebaffled by the story.

Omar Najam (12:48):
I say informed.

I was going to go inform too, okay.

Indrani Ganguly (12:54):
Yeah.

Omar Najam (12:55):
Here we go.

Inform, I do.
I feel like I kind of get itLike they have this protocol,
yep, they're playing it safe andhe totally didn't want, you
know, her annoying cousins to beat the wedding.

Omar Najam (13:08):
Yeah, and they're not attention hogs like NASA,
you know.
So I get it.
I appreciate that.
Yeah, yeah, all right, are youready for news story number two?

Yeah, I am so ready.

Omar Najam (13:19):
Okay, I'm just going to read you this headline and
then let me get your rawreaction here.
Yeah, please.
Pigeon, detained for EightMonths on Espionage Suspicion
Finally Released.
I'm so sorry, pigeon.
Yeah, let me read that againfor your benefit of everyone at
home.
Pigeon, detained for EightMonths on Espionage Suspicion

(13:41):
Finally Released.

Do we, do we detain any other animals ever
Like?
Is this?
Are we in the business ofdetaining animals for anything?
Is that a thing that?

Omar Najam (13:54):
happens.
Okay, so why don't you go aheadand put a pin in that question?
We'll get back to that in asecond.
It's funny you asked that.
All right, but just to give yousome information on this,
please.
In India released a pigeon thatwas being held in a veterinary
hospital in Mumbai that wascaptured eight months ago near a
port after being suspected as aChinese spy.
The reason for this is becausethe bird had two rings inscribed

(14:17):
with words that appeared to beChinese attached to its legs.
The vet hospital frequentlyasked can we just, are we done?
Can we just let?

It's not because it like set up a life and a
family there, married someonefrom the land and then in their
dreams they spoke fluentMandarin, yes, yeah, and then,
like her spouse was like there'ssomething wrong here, and she
was conflicted and eventuallywent to the authorities because

(14:50):
her brother is in the top.

Omar Najam (14:51):
Yes, and is looking for this pigeon.

Yeah, yeah, okay , yeah, okay.

Omar Najam (15:03):
This is crazy.

So the bird had two rings inscribed with the
words just with Chinese words,that appeared to be.

Omar Najam (15:08):
Chinese attached to its legs.
The veterinary hospital keptsaying please, can we just let
this pigeon go.
We don't think it's a spy.
We don't think that this is aDreamWorks movie.
Okay.

What do you do with the detained pigeon?

Omar Najam (15:28):
The I mean interrogate.
Obviously the authority said no, you need to hold on to this
pigeon, you need to getinformation on this pigeon.
Until PETA stepped in and PETAsaid what are you doing?
What is this Stop.

They just let the pigeon go.
Yeah, I'm a good bird, bad bird, I just don't know.
It's like you're not going tolike it when the crow gets in
here.

Omar Najam (15:54):
It turns out that this pigeon was actually an open
water racing bird from Taiwanthat had escaped and made its
way to India.
So not a spy, an athlete, whatso?
I can see where the confusionis.
I can see where the confusionis Now.
Sendeep, do we do this a lot?

(16:15):
You asked that earlier, right?
Do we just capture animals andask them if they're spies?
This isn't the first time thishas happened.
This isn't the first pigeonwhere this has happened.
Stop, yeah, there was one in2020, where a pigeon belonging
to a Pakistani fisherman flewacross the heavily militarized

(16:40):
border and the border patrolwanted to make sure that it
wasn't a spy.
And then, in 2016, a pigeon wastaken to custody after it was
found with a note thatthreatened Indian Prime Minister
Modi.

Wow, you know, it's true, Dan Wally.
And Chad is sayingunfortunately, pigeons are
historically used in espionage.
I get it.
I get it.
It's just wasn't that like inthe 1940s, Like are we?

Omar Najam (17:08):
No, no, no.
Don't let drones take away jobsfrom hardworking pigeons.
Sendeep, I'm traditional whenit comes to this.

Got it.
Yeah, there's a union.
Yeah pigeon rights.
You know, I mean like this isjust absolutely wild.
Did any of those pan out?
Do we know that, if any of themturned out to actually be no,
one of them was a fishermanfisherman's pigeon, which, by
the way.

Omar Najam (17:35):
That begs a lot of questions.
So people have pigeon notes.

Like people have pigeon pets.
That's another thing that Ijust found out right now, yeah.

Oh yeah.

And then they can also write notes.
Yeah, apparently.

Omar Najam (17:55):
Yeah, yeah.
So this does make me ask a lotof questions about the pigeon
lady from Home Alone, and I amwondering what's her deal?
Do you feel, how do you feelabout this story, nastin?
Do you feel like you'reinformed, you're baffled or
you're confused?

I am baffled.
I'm a little baffled, I meanI'm somewhere between baffled
and a little just like confused,because I guess it's just, you
know, it just seems like reallyhypervigilance, you know going
on here when we're reallyworried about Eight months.
Eight months.
Eight months A long time to beinterrogating a pigeon.

(18:32):
Yeah, yeah, I hope the pigeonwas fed well, some good bird
seed.

I hope the pigeon was well taken care of.

It sounds like they were holding him in a vet
hospital, so I guess that'ssomething.

Omar Najam (18:41):
Exactly, exactly.

All right.
What about you?
Where are you at?

Omar Najam (18:46):
I feel informed.
I have no questions.
No questions you just get it.

It makes sense to you Listen.

Omar Najam (18:53):
I don't want to get into it too much, but like I
might have some pigeons outthere, yeah exactly Sorry.

That's not important.

Omar Najam (19:03):
Why don't we move on to news story number three?

If you know, this tree by my house has been
squawking a lot lately.
I've been hearing a lot ofactivity.

Omar Najam (19:14):
Oh yeah, we've been hearing activity you've been up
to as well.

Are you watching ?

Omar Najam (19:17):
So what would you say is the next news story that
we're?

looking at.
Okay, fine, we're looking at nostory.
Number three here is is cinemaIndia's new political battle
ground?

Omar Najam (19:28):
Okay, yeah, okay, go on Okay.

So this one's this one's kind of wild.
So there's this movie, article370.
And it's I don't know if you'veseen the trailer or anything
like that, but it's okay.
This movie has a lot of sort ofit's about the.
This article 370 is aboutwhat's going on in Kashmir.

And it's a documentary.

It's not a documentary, it's like an action
thriller film, okay, and itbasically Modi came out and said
he supports the movie.
It sort of sort of begs thequestion of like and it's become
highly politicized, right Likethere's this ongoing conflict in
Kashmir, for sure, independenceor the border dispute between

(20:25):
whether it should be Pakistan'scountry or India's, and you know
there's a lot of strife there.
So this movie comes out.
It's very much from theperspective of of like it's
India's perspective on it, okay,or at least you know, sort of
Hindu Indian's perspective on it.
And then Prime Minister Modi islike yeah, you should totally

(20:47):
go see this film and supportsthis film.
Okay, the question sort ofwhat's got us confused about it
or what we're thinking about islike you know, if a politician
comes out and says they love afilm, or a president
specifically, or Prime.
Minister specifically comes outand says they love a film, does
that immediately make itpropaganda?
I guess it's sort of thequestion.

Omar Najam (21:04):
Well, he's an objective viewer, right, like he
doesn't have anything to dowith this movie.

No, no, go on.
He's like.
I mean, I don't think so.
You watch the movie andbasically he's a character in
the film.
Okay, as far as I'm concerned,as far as I get from the trailer
you see, like like, it's likeokay, this is like very much,

(21:29):
like I said, this movie inparticular okay, here's my
here's where I'm sort ofdebating on this thing.
It's like this movie inparticular seems like it's got a
political agenda to it.

Omar Najam (21:40):
So it's already.
It's inspired by true eventsand then, in quotation marks,
free Kashmir.

Yeah.
So it's already got a politicalperspective going on Right away
.
It's somewhat propagandizedalready.
And then, yes, to have a primeminister say, hey, you should
like, everyone should see thismovie, that definitely cements
it as prop.
It propagandizes the movie,right, Right.

(22:08):
But if this was fast and thefurious six, okay, or whatever
number they're up to now, whereit's like has nothing really to
do with politics, if PrimeMinister Modi was like that's a
good flick, you should go see it.
I don't think that immediatelyturns that movie into propaganda
.

Omar Najam (22:27):
I will say the fast and furious does it.
The fast and furious moviesmight be the only franchise
that's maybe an exception to therule of a politician endorsing
that's the only propaganda.

Okay, okay.

Omar Najam (22:44):
Yeah.

So it's Dr Strange propaganda.

Omar Najam (22:49):
I mean, yeah, how, where you get that magic from?
So no, that's an interestingquestion.
Okay, so let's actuallyentertain a question.
If a sitting leader of agovernment says go check out
this movie and it's like gocheck out Curious George the
film, Does that make itpropaganda?

Yeah, I would say no Right.

Omar Najam (23:16):
Yeah, I guess if it has nothing inherently
immediately political in it,then yeah.
But this one is a differentcase, because this would be if
Teddy Roosevelt was like go seethe movie.
Teddy Roosevelt is a ballerpresident out in theaters right
now.

Then that does become Dude.
Have you seen Teddy Rooseveltas a baller president before?

Omar Najam (23:39):
Yeah, I have, I think that the tie-in with Air.

Bud was impressive.

Omar Najam (23:43):
Interesting.

So, for example, richard Nixon's favorite movie
was Patton, the movie aboutGeneral George.
As Patton Right, would that bepropaganda for him to say that's
my favorite movie?

What if his favorite movie was the one about
Watergate?
What was that?
All the presidents?

I think that's Gerald Ford's favorite movie.

That was such a weird twist of fate.
He's like you know what, hey.
He's like I don't agree withwhat they're saying, but-.

Omar Najam (24:14):
Damn his good flick.

Absolutely Picture perfect film.

Great filming Great acting.

Omar Najam (24:19):
Great competition, great competition.

Pacing is strong .
I just really think, you know-.

Tricky dick.

Omar Najam (24:26):
What would you say is your favorite movie?
Frost Nixon Really, how much ofit did you watch?

Oh man, interesting, interesting,
interesting, interesting.

Omar Najam (24:38):
Interesting.
I would say I'm a littleconfused.
If I'm honest, I'm going tohave to look a little bit more
into the sort of legalities ofthis, if that makes sense.
I mean, it's what a leader isallowed to say if they are in it
and use their platform topromote something that they're
in.

Yeah, I don't think he's I think he's depicted
in it, right yeah?

Omar Najam (24:59):
I'm not sure if he's yeah.

I mean that would be that would be insane.
Maybe he-.

Omar Najam (25:04):
If he was like check out my acting.
Yeah, that would be interesting.

But I think he- yeah, I'd say I'm in the same
sort of confused state as well.
I don't know enough, but I dothink it's probably not great
for, say, the industry IfHollywood was just producing

(25:28):
stuff at the behest of thepresident.
That would probably be not good.

Omar Najam (25:35):
I'm looking up Right .
This is going to determine myanswer.
I'm searching something rightnow on an internet search engine
and what I'm searching is wasArnold Schwarzenegger governor
when he made Around the World in80 Days?
He was in that movie.
This was ArnoldSchwarzenegger's last new movie
before being elected governor ofCalifornia, so he made Around

(25:55):
the World in 80 Days.
He's elected governor and if hetells people to go see Around
the World in 80 Days, does thatmake Around the World in 80 Days
propaganda?

I mean it makes it him a shill for it.
Yeah, he's definitely conflictof interest.
He can't use the platform to beselling movie tickets, that
respect.
So I guess, yeah, maybe that's-.

Omar Najam (26:14):
A state of the union .
I think you go she could see inmy movie the remake of Around
the World in 80 Days.
Yeah, amazing, all right.
Well, that wraps up our newsegment, but we've got another
segment that is also touching onnews.
Are you ready for this?
Welcome to Auntie versus AuntieWatch 2024.

(26:34):
We got to explain this.

Yeah, we do.
We got to explain this.

We have to explain this, okay.

So what is Auntie versus Auntie Watch?
Okay, look, this may have beena little bit more relevant
somewhat recently, but there'sstill possibility this could
happen.

Omar Najam (26:51):
Yeah, it's still relevant to you.

You guys might be a little bit aware of what's
going on.
There's a presidential electionhere in the US.
Now the crazy thing that wesort of recognized was there was
a chance there's an outsidechance that the remaining two if
basically something horriblehappened for Biden's health and

(27:15):
it went sideways, he had to stepout of the race or worse, which
knock on wood right, we don'twish that upon anybody, but if
that happened, kamala Harriswould be probably the next in
line to be the nominee for theDemocrat Party.
So there was a chance thatAuntie Gamal, auntie Gamal.

(27:38):
Auntie could have been becauseshe is part Desi.
As you know, she's half Desi,so that's contestant number one.
And then Nikki Haley was doingpretty well for hotmail there,
kind of if you could define theword well as winning Vermont.

Omar Najam (27:58):
Beautiful colors in the fall.

At least the last woman standing against
Trump, and Trump's got 91indictments against him.
That's not looking good and Idon't know.
Last I checked it was going tobe pretty challenging for
convicted.

Omar Najam (28:15):
He's getting up to delimitation numbers and that's
what you have to start beinglike.
This is a lot.

It's a lot.
There's a world in which he is,you know, not allowed to be
present or not allowed to run,and so and Nikki Haley also Desi
, so, auntie, it could be GamalAuntie versus Nikki Auntie.
There's a world in which andthat's what the Auntie versus
Auntie watch is all aboutthere's still that possibility,

(28:45):
right.

Omar Najam (28:46):
Yeah, so, so, exactly so, every episode.
What we're going to do is we'regoing to check in and see how
close we are to Auntie versusAuntie 2024, which makes us the.
Auntie versus Auntie watch 2024.
There you go.
So let's get some quick updates, real quick.
With Nikki Haley, as you said,she has recently suspended her
presidential race after Trumpwon Super Tuesday, which a lot

(29:07):
of people called snooze herTuesday, but did not endorse him
.
She said Trump would have toearn her voter support or her
backers support.
Not interesting, but yeah, yeah.
So this is an interesting spotthat she's reserving.
She has simply suspended hercampaign, which keeps Auntie
versus Auntie watch 2024 stillalive.

(29:29):
And also, let's just, you know,let's, in terms of the history,
in terms of the United States ofAmerica, you know, nikki Haley
became the first Asian-Americanwoman to ever seek the
Republican presidentialnomination and get to the stage
of the conversation.
So it's the update on NikkiHaley.
How about the other Auntie?

That's yeah.
So on the cumulus side ofthings, you know she's currently
the VP for Biden.
I mean, look, there's stillchatter that he might drop out
of the race or, like I said,father time comes for him.
And look, harris has spent alot of this year on the road.

(30:08):
She's touring the country,she's mobilizing voters on
issues central to the campaign.
She's, like you know, outspokenabout reproductive rights and
voters are concerned.
Voters are worried aboutBiden's age.
That's obvious.
You know, in an interview withthe Wall Street Journal, harris
said I am ready to serve.
There is no question about that.
She said that.
She said I am ready to serve.
There is no question about that.

(30:29):
So, look, I think she's notsaying it's not impossible.
You know, we may not be, we maynot be right there, but you're
saying there's a chance.

Omar Najam (30:43):
So, folks, there's a lot of really important and
serious and crucial elements andtopics within this presidential
conversation for this year'selection and we want to take
those very, very seriously andwe'll probably dedicate segments
on future episodes to kind ofdive into those, whatever we do.
But when it comes to Untie VsUntie Watch 2024, we want to

(31:06):
cement that we are here for thisparticular narrative.
We are invested, and we wantall of you to be equally
invested in Untie Vs Untie Watch2024.
We are going to ask your helpwith this.
We need some sort of diagram oricon, maybe a clock, to see how
close we are to Untie Vs Untie2024.
Maybe it's a countdown, maybeit's a ladder.

I like the clock .
I like the clock, and I thinkwe should ask Chat to go ahead
based upon what we just said.
Right, like Nikki Haley, she'ssuspending our you know that
she's still like holding outsome hope that one of these
indictments are going to workout in her favor.
That's why she was the lastperson standing.
There is a chance.
So where does that land us?
On the clock?

(31:48):
And then, obviously, what wesaid about Gumball, and you guys
watched the State of the Union.
How are you feeling about Biden?
So I'm curious, you guys liveand chat right now on the scale
of essentially one to 12.

Omar Najam (32:00):
Where do you think we are with?

Untie Vs.
So we'll say, and we'll say 12,right, that's a clock, 12 is
Right, like it's happened,basically that it's over, that's
right, that it's as far aspossible.
That like it is, like it isUntie Vs Untie, Like if it's 12.

Omar Najam (32:17):
Oh, one o'clock.
One o'clock is Untie.

Vs Untie.
Oh wait, One o'clock is UntieVs Untie.

Omar Najam (32:23):
Oh no.
Okay, that's interesting.
See, this is where it'simportant.
So we're like midnight, so onthe doomsday clock midnight is
when it's like this is nuclearwar.
This is the opposite for us ofthe doomsday clock, but we still
want to keep.
Midnight is the time Likemidnight is when the clock
strikes.
Untie Vs Untie.

Well, we're saying do oh, wait, wait, I like
this.
So are we saying that thedoomsday is, the midnight is?
Oh no, it's Trump versus Bidenis what we're saying, and that
one o'clock is.
So it's a reverse doomsdayclock.

Omar Najam (32:59):
Oh, so one.
Okay, great.
So it's actually 1 pm, so we'regetting into the afternoon.
So okay, here's what it is,folks.
Now we're going to clarify.

That's too crazy and this is the final answer.
Wait, I'm not saying, I'masking you that.

Omar Najam (33:09):
This is no.
I like this and let me.
This is why Because midnight isour darkest hour.
Okay, so midnight is thedoomsday clock, 1 pm is.

Chi time.

Omar Najam (33:20):
So that's what we're trying to get to.
We're trying to get away frommidnight.
We're trying to get to Chi timeGot it.

So are we already at midnight, or are we
already at 11 o'clock?
So, chat, get in there.
I want to hear what you guysthink and then maybe by the end
of our next segment, we willdecide where we are at.

Omar Najam (33:38):
Does that sound good , beautiful?
Let's find out and we'll markit.

Okay.

Omar Najam (33:45):
All right, folks.
Well, we have an amazingsegment that we have thrown
together for you guys.
We are so excited to chat withour incredible friend Indrani,
who was just featured in VogueIndia for a ton of their
incredible work in the gamingspace.
Indrani is one of my favoritepeople on the entire planet.
I got the chance to sit downwith Indrani and chat.

(34:07):
We are about to show you thatinterview and then we also play
a game with Indrani where,honestly, she kind of hands her
asses to us in terms of ourcategories and how we approach
them in this versus that.
But it's a real great time.
We have actually Indrani and Italk so much all the time that
there is a full 40 minuteinterview that we chopped down

(34:31):
for this segment.
But if you want to check outthe full interview, we'll tell
you how to do that right afterthis segment and for now, let's
hop on over to the interviewwith Indrani.
Hello, andrani, how's it going?

Hello, hello, it's going well.
It's quite early, it isliterally just white outside.

Omar Najam (34:52):
That's when you know it's morning.
There's no color outside.
It's just light.

Yeah, if I look that way, I'll be blind.

Omar Najam (35:00):
So this is so wonderful.
We want to chat with you aboutso many things, but first and
foremost, sort of a big thinghappened recently.
You're in Vogue India.

I'm in Vogue India, which is on the list of
statements I would makethroughout the entire course of
my life, was now like somethingI plan for.
But yes, there's an articleabout me and three other
incredible people from India whoare working in video games in
different capacities, and I'mone of the four people who the

(35:31):
Vogue article talks about and,yeah, I got to do like a very
fun, fancy, like photo shoot forit.
They asked me some reallylovely questions.
The author her name, is PritikaRao.
She came in from like thisperspective of someone who kind
of grew up loving games butalways feeling like do I have
place in this like you know forAbhi that and eventually decided

(35:53):
that she didn't.
Who was like okay, let merevisit it.
And this was her revisiting itby speaking to other Fem folks
who've been working in the space.
And that really excites meabout it is that some of the
most creative games that arecoming out of India.
So, like two of the other people, including myself, we're, all
you know, creative leads atdifferent video game studios and

(36:17):
there's just something reallyinteresting about the way that
the Indian game that I've seenis growing is that a lot of like
the sort of interesting thingsthat people are doing are coming
from studios that are led bywomen and minority folk, and I
think that, like minority folkin India, yes.
So specific area.
So I think it's really cool tosee them being highlighted and

(36:39):
you know, myself beinghighlighted.

Omar Najam (36:40):
This is incredible.
Can we talk about the fact thatyou have a game studio?
Because that is amazing.

It's very scary in that, like it is, it is
never a good time to make videogames or games for stuff.
Like it always feels like thewhole world is on fire in one
way or another, and like that'syes.
What business do I have makinggames?
Everything you know?
Gestures vaguely is going on.

(37:09):
So we started the game studiowith me having this game idea
that I wanted to work on andworking in game dev Like I've
been doing that for gosh upwardsof five years now.
But I've always wanted to be adesigner in my own right and
I've done that in small and bigways with like tabletop RPGs,

(37:30):
and you know I've written forsome other games as well, but I
never thought that I had likeall of the pieces.
I would need to make my own andthen I was like oh man, just
this one thing, I want to reallymake it.
And I was like wait, I'mfriends with a really good
programmer, really great artistand another incredible writer.

(37:51):
Yeah between the four of us wecould maybe saying this.
So I pitched it to them andthey were like, yeah, but we've
never made a, we never shipped avideo game, Like we've never
completed it and put it out intothe world.
What do we do?
And I was like, well, let'sjust try it, let's just make a
much smaller project and we'lldo it.
Over four days we did like aninternal game jam.

(38:11):
So at the end of four days wewere like we should have a
finished from scratch game.

That was not the big or the idea.

Yeah, yeah, and people do that, people do that
shit all the time.
Sorry, am I allowed to curse onthis show?

Omar Najam (38:25):
I will you owe a hunt.
Oh, in this show a hundredpercent.

Okay, cool, yeah, so people do that all the
fucking time and we can do this,we can do this and end of day
one.
It was not looking good, I'lltell you that much, because we
had one blue screen and just afew buttons and we were like
okay, maybe we, maybe this is atext adventure and maybe we're
idiots for wanting to do this.

Omar Najam (38:50):
It's retro yeah.

But at the end of day four it looked like a
real, actual video game and weput it out in the world and we
were like, cool, okay, so thisworks, we can do it Now we just
need to do it at a much biggerscale.
Other than that, it's beengreat.
Our first project is shaping upquite nicely.
It's a game called the line,and it's a game where you play

(39:14):
as someone who's dividing a landthat is unfamiliar to them, and
it's inspired by the partitionof India.
And like that's kind of theextent of the details that I can
go into, but it's a serioussort of like papers please,
style game.
So yeah, that's what we'remaking.

Omar Najam (39:32):
The way you present yourself is very honest and
genuine, and I feel like the artthat you make and the projects
you work on reflect that as well.
So it's just.
This is just good.
It just makes me so happy thatyou also are getting recognized
by such a huge publication.
This is huge for you.
This is huge for also us, thefans of you.

Oh, my God, oh man.

Omar Najam (39:56):
It's so funny.
As I look around I'm like Ihave so much of stuff that
you've made.
That's like around my desk andjust like in my room glancing
around which also you give to mefor free.
So I am also like this pack rat,so thank you for hooking me up
with like a bunch of your dice.
We're going to hop into a gamespeaking of dice in a second,
but first, real quick, before wedo that, where can people check

(40:20):
out your studio, where canpeople check out the things
you're working on and where canpeople kind of get hyped up
about your game?

Yeah, I think the best way of staying in touch
with me is probably socialmedia.
If you're a degenerate like meand still use Twitter, I am at
nonagon dice on Twitter and mygame studio is called Duronto
Games.
We're also on Twitter,Instagram, all of these
platforms.

Omar Najam (40:42):
Oh, this is.
This is so great.
I obviously cannot wait to tohear of your continuing success
and get to play all your theprojects that you're you're
working on and will come outwithin the future, but for now,
you get to actually play a gamethat we've thrown together which
is where we, we pose anAmerican thing against something

(41:04):
we consider a daisy thing.
And you can choose.
The stakes of this is just togive you you know, like what
you're playing for, what youchoose in, the winner of these
two things is the winner.
The loser gets erased fromhistory, it doesn't exist
anymore.

That's amazing, okay, cool, yeah, I would love
that very much.
That power to be like this orthat and the other thing goes my
God, that's great.

Omar Najam (41:30):
Exactly, Are you ready for this?
I am ready.
Round number one Chai versuscoffee.

Coffee.

Omar Najam (41:38):
Wait, is coffee an.

American thing?
Because that's not true.

All right, back up a little bit of history.

South Indians all right, we make really good
coffee.
There's some incredible coffeeroastries and estates based out
here in India.

Omar Najam (41:53):
So you're saying this isn't even count.
This is actually not.

This isn't the American question doesn't work
because Americans a do coffeepoorly.

Okay, I'm trying a lot of American coffee.

It doesn't work , you guys over roasted, it's
burnt.
So when I say coffee, I meanIndian, wow.
American, not North Americancoffee.
South Americans do coffeereally well, but yeah, sorry.

Omar Najam (42:17):
Wow, us in Canada just got roasted.
That is tough Round number two.
Sit down versus guitar.

So that I mean, come on my, okay, look, string
instruments generally have somuch variety and so much
incredible stuff you can do withit.
But I think that almost feelslike a precursor to like modern
day instrumentalization rightand I really know a lot about
this right now, because for thegame we're making, you know,

(42:51):
we're using a lot of stringinstruments for the music
production and one of the thingswe've been considering is, like
, how do we incorporate, likeKarnataka music and and like
even you know, bengali,hindustani music?

in the game.

And we've been doing a lot of deep dives into
what string instruments wouldsound like and you know what the
vibe be want is.
And guitars I mean great, youknow, love it, happy that they
exist.
If somebody never didWonderwall at a campfire
wouldn't be all the better offfor it.

Omar Najam (43:23):
Round number three Bollywood and Hollywood versus
Hollywood.

Okay, this is interesting, right, because when
we say Bollywood and Hollywood,let's change the framing of
that.
Let's say Bollywood and SouthIndian cinema, south Indian
cinema and compasses, hollywood,hollywood, so like films that
are coming out of you know,Karnataka, Kerala, Andhra
Pradesh, Tamil Nadu, Telangana,right these films chefs class of

(43:53):
their own right like masterly.
Well, we do like, really likeMalayali films to like a lot of
incredible storytelling.
That's very important.
Sorry, can we get real likecommunists in here?
Let's get real communists, realquick Okay so there's this like
Marxist film theory where ittalks about how films I know

(44:16):
this is supposed to be.
Like me, I can't help myselfQuestions why art is made like
are you?
When are you making art?
That, basically, what's theword?
Subjugates is a strong word,but in the sense that when is
the viewer, is the oppressedclass being continuing to stay
oppressed and not thinking abouttheir state by consuming this?

(44:40):
then should it exist and a lotof film from the south,
especially Malayalam films, likesort of like adapt that
ideology.
A lot of like cast films areall coming out of South India.
Bollywood, I think isemblematic of a lot of problems
that exist like in this countrythat, like you know so can we do
this or that or that and I'llsay South Indian films will keep

(45:02):
on the other two Okay.

Omar Najam (45:04):
Yeah, 100%, okay, cool.
Well, this one is a reallysimple one that will not require
any conversation or diving intoany specifics.

We'll see about that over.

Omar Najam (45:18):
Why did we include this one for you?
Polytheism versus monotheism.

Oh, oh, my God.
Wow, this was a all right.
Well, you said 15 minutesegment and you're making it
very hard for me.
So either or seems like adifficult thing for me to, it's
so new, as how do you this orthat?
Something like something likewow, hold on, hold on, hold on.

(45:46):
I think both historically havehad their merits and demerits, I
think India is a country rightnow we're getting less and less
secular each day, I thinkbecause, of like the current
people in power, and I thinkthat I Fear the kind of two

(46:08):
Religion can be in terms of likeradicalizing people because,
like here now, a secular countrysuddenly wants to be well, not
suddenly right.
That's yours, and yours of likebuilt up to this but wants to be
a Hindu rastra and like there'ssomething very gross about that
, when I'm surrounded by peoplefrom like multiple faiths with
multiple different ways ofviewing God and spirituality,

(46:29):
and I think I cannot, in goodfaith, be like this or that
without, you know, taking awaysome of those experiences.
So, I, I, you know, both can goon, either can go.

Is that an?

option.

Omar Najam (46:43):
Let's go for it.
I think that's the safest onehere.

Yeah.

Omar Najam (46:46):
Because it's also when we do, when we do the bait.
If I'm not mistaken, I thinkthat we were also like I mean
like, do you want to get rid ofthe lore of Battlestar Galactica
?
So, like it's, we did expandoutside.

Look look, I'm glad to be your kitty pink, but
this is not.
Okay, well, this religion wasexist and it must exist in a way
that everybody can use, likeyou know, in a way that works
for everyone.

Omar Najam (47:12):
I think that's beautiful.
And then, finally, here's thelast one.
Okay, I think this one isequally as sort of deep in
philosophical and entrenched inhuman existence, ketchup versus
chutney.

Again, broken question because chutney is an
umbrella term.
So, let's, let's, let's, funneldown Right.
There is a way of making tomatochutney in.

Andhra.

Pradesh it's called.
It's called tomato pachadi, andit is spicy and garlicky and
delicious and you can have itwith dosa, you can have it with
idli, you can have it withwhatever you want, and it is
infinitely, infinitely betterthan ketchup.
All right, I will say I've hadreally good catch up, like in,
in all fairness, like when it'sthe right amount of fermented,

(48:00):
it's the right amount of sugar,it's the right amount of, like
spice.
Ketchup can be good.
I'm a ketchup girl.
If only one could stay.
I mean, come on Right.

Omar Najam (48:10):
Yeah, because there's so much not great
ketchup.

So you know there's so much not exactly
ketchup to be good.

Omar Najam (48:17):
Yeah.

There's a lot of things that need to go right
for chutney to be good.
You just got to have like ablender, bro.
That's all you need for goodchutney.
That's so funny.

Omar Najam (48:27):
And right.

Thank you so much for playing our game of
this versus that Thank you forletting my hubris about being
like your games wrong, so thankyou.

Omar Najam (48:39):
Could you remind the wonderful folks watching this
stream and also listening athome via podcast, where they can
find you and all the wonderfulthings you do?

Yes, absolutely .
You can find me everywhere onthe internet is at nonagon dice.
That's N-O-N-A-G-O-N-D-I-C-E.
That's on Twitter, instagram,blue Sky, whatever, and the
Ronto games.
You can find us againeverywhere on the internet, as

(49:08):
at Doronto games.
That's D-U-R-O-N-T-O-G-A-M-E-S.
Doronto games.
That's us.
So give me up.

Omar Najam (49:17):
You are a joy.
You're a wonder.
You are also changing things inways that we're all benefiting
from so much, so thank you somuch for everything you do.
Thank you for being my friend,thank you for being on the show.
We absolutely adore you.
You are a previous Dacey of theweek, so getting to actually
have a segment where we sit downwith you in chat is a dream

(49:38):
come true, thank you.

Thank you, fred .
I love you so much.
What a wonderful way of hangingout.
I'm glad to see your face.
I'm glad to see your face, allright we'll do this in person
soon.

Omar Najam (49:48):
We'll do that.
Yes, yes, thank you so much forchecking out that interview we
got to do with Indrani.
Now here's the thing Indraniand I chatted so long about what
game development is like inIndia, what they're up to.
Also, there was a really funstory about the photos that
appeared in Vogue India.
Because those weren't Voguephotographers, they didn't send

(50:11):
any photographers.
Indrani got those picturestaken care of on her own.
If you want to know more aboutthat, if you want to know more
about that.

We're just wild .

Omar Najam (50:21):
We're going to put the entire interview up on our
Patreon as a Patreon exclusive.
Check that out, because alsoIndrani shares so many beautiful
tidbits that just feel so muchlike this show about encouraging
yourself in the arts and how tothink through your fears
instead of feeling them, and howto just go for it, how to go
for your goals and do what youwant.

(50:42):
They are an incredible humanbeing.
Check out that full interviewover on our Patreon.

Killer.
All right, all right.
Well, it is time to move intoour game segment, the ABCD game.
Holy Ramadan, batman, it's theEaster Bunny.
Holy Ramadan, batman, it's theEaster Bunny.
All right, that title would getyou know robbing a lot of

(51:08):
trouble.

Omar Najam (51:11):
That's all I'm saying, folks, our Game Master
Delvin will present us with aseries of three statements.
Each set include two lies andone truth about a springtime
holiday.
We must each guess the truth,and whoever is right earns one
point.

Yeah, and just to be clear, right, like we have
, like, there's kind of thesethree holidays that hover around
our lives around this time, youknow, as South Asian Americans,
holy, which is the Festival ofColors.
You know, this is the timewhere we're grinding, we're
grinding.
That's a weird place to stop.

Omar Najam (51:47):
We're all grinding.

Grinding flour, flour, flour into this beautiful
multicolored powder and then wethrow it all over each other
and it's kind of a time forforgiveness and fun and
connection.
It's pretty, pretty greatholiday for those in those of
Indian descent.
And then I mean, do you want tospeak to Ramadan a little bit

(52:13):
from your perspective, Like, doyou guys celebrate?

Omar Najam (52:16):
my time.
Yeah, absolutely.
My dad is Muslim, althoughnon-practicing, but also I grew
up with a ton of Muslim friends,and so Ramadan for me was a
time where, while I perseveredand fast, it is a time of
fasting, of contemplation, ofreflection, as well as
activating on the pillars ofIslam, which, as we mentioned at

(52:37):
the top of the show, includesstuff like charity, work and
giving a charity, and also justa time of gratitude and to
essentially kind of slow downand be grateful and happy for
what we have and what we cancelebrate with each other.
So it's a beautiful time thatthen ends with Eid, which is a
huge, huge celebration.

And Easter is a time where you get crayons I
think from your brother, becausehe hid him in the closet and I
was pretty psyched to get a packof 128 crayon crayons for
Easter.

Why?
Yeah, that's what I got you getthat many.

Yeah, it was like the big, the big, the
chunky pack, the big one, theone that was like a brick.
Very, very excited about that,my folks.

Omar Najam (53:24):
I don't want to undersell, like how much.
Like in my earlier years, likemy mom did go out of her way to
just throw an incredible likeEaster, easter, bunny Easter.
But also like we did go tochurch.
You did yeah, yeah, well, look,if you're going to do that, if
you're going to, you got to earnyour eggs.

So nice, yeah, we.
We just went straight to theeggs.
Straight to the hunt.
There's all about that.
Yeah, that was.
I personally always loved thatholiday growing up.
I mean it's about more thanthat for a lot of people.

I've just let it out.
It was for us, okay.

I just I didn't even, honestly, I did not know
anything about resurrection oranything.
That's for the longest time Iwas like the Easter Bunny is
resurrected.

What.

I had no clue, okay.

Omar Najam (54:17):
Meanwhile I was in my Sunday best at Mass at 6am.

Yeah, yeah, and I was like let me eat this, this
, this stuff, that kind of fauxlooks like egg yolk but is
delicious and sugary.

Omar Najam (54:33):
And then they changed the recipe.
Yeah Well, we'll find out ifthere's questions about that,
because now Delvin is going togive us three facts and we got
to guess which one's true.

All right, so first up we have holy.
Okay, so your three possiblelies.
One of these is true is holy iscelebrated in all states in
India except one, naga land.
Okay, oh, during Lathmar, holymen in Vrindavan are beaten by
women with sticks.
Or the easiest way to makenatural red hair, natural red

(55:05):
color, during holy is usingbeats.
Only one of these is true.

Only one is true .
Oh okay, so it's two lies.

The other two are lies.

Got it Two lies and two lies yes.
Okay, okay, I'm going to go.
Hmm, interesting.

Omar Najam (55:25):
Ladies, leave your men at home.
I'm saying it's the true one isthat the guys get hit with
sticks.

So guys get with sticks beats for hair dye and
then Just for red color, not forhair dye.

Yeah, red, just for red color for holy.

These beats huh?
I don't think that's true.

Omar Najam (55:43):
I think they use the red flower.
If I remember correctly, Wow, Ididn't know that you have the
Martha Stewart of like holypowder.

Listen, I got the kids book and we read it all
the time and they go to eachflower what color it makes.
And they said it's a biscuitmakes red.
Ok, and what was the?
What was the sorry?
What was the first one?
It was like Nagaland, was itthat?
It was only?

celebrated?
Yeah, the first one is thatHoly is celebrated in all states
in India except for one,Nagaland.

I'm going to go with.
The beats Is a lie.

Right, We've got some beats and Omar is going
beating Correct Beating Waitwait, wait.

Omar Najam (56:27):
Sunday you're finding the truth oh.

I keep, geez, I keep forgetting Gosh.
Ok, yeah, I want to.
Can I pick the same thing, oram I allowed to?

Omar Najam (56:37):
You can do whatever you want.

You can pick the same thing.

I'm going to pick the same thing.
I think it's the stick beating.

Maybe, aspirational.

As it is, yes, yes, the correct answer is
during last, more holy minute.

And we did it, joe, by women with sticks.
Yes, also, I'm such a bad manlike I didn't even know.
It's not, I didn't even knowNagaland.

Point for.
Both.

I really like that.

Omar Najam (57:04):
You don't have to admit that.

I'm just going to be honest.

Omar Najam (57:08):
You've got the point , you don't have to do this.

I just I'm like I'm looking up right now.
Ok, it's in the like, it's inlike the, the, the left arm of
India, that's what I call it theone.
That's like leaning on the onthe motorcycle.

Omar Najam (57:22):
Yeah, India always looks like.
It's like hey, yeah, it's gotlike a cheek in its mouth.
So that's guys.

And that is the first round of Holy Ramadan
Batman.
It's the Easter Bunny game.
To hear the rest of the roundsand to find out who has to give
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All right, Back to me.
Good stuff.
All right.
Now it is time for our finalsegment of the episode, the Desi
of the week.

Omar Najam (58:09):
That's right.
This week, for a day See theweek we'll be honoring the eight
year old who beat chestgrandmaster and set a new world
record.
This is Ashwa Kashik.

Yes, eight years , six months and 11 days, this,
this little genius, became theyoungest player ever to defeat a
grandmaster in a classicaltournament game.

Omar Najam (58:31):
That's right, and if you're saying that this is a
Nebo baby case, you're wrong.

Neither parent is a chess player.
What?

Omar Najam (58:38):
In fact, ashwa's the rules of chess at age four,
count it four, with a computergame called chess kid, and now
spends up to seven hours a dayon chess working with coaches.
He first made a name forhimself at six years old in 2022
, by winning triple gold in theunder six category of the

(59:00):
Eastern Asian Youth Championship.
It turns out there's a lot ofstrong chess players under the
age of 10.
Prodigies are getting youngerand younger.
In fact, experts say eight isthe new 12.

Wow Eight is the new 12.
Wild, wild.
Ok.
Ashwa's goals.
What were his goals?
Get his candidate master titlethis is his goals.
Reach 2700 ranking by playingattacking chess and become the

(59:31):
world champion.
So that's, that's what he'safter.
I hope his goals also includelike playing some kickball.
I'm just I'm very happy for him.

Seven hours a day.

Like oh man, it's a lot of work for for Kido
to be be turning on for chess.

Omar Najam (59:52):
In all fairness, I watch about seven hours of Rick
and Morty a day, so you knowthat's all kind of spend about
seven hours on Instagram, sothat's probably probably better
I'll spend learning.

Sandeep Parikh (01:00:01):
Learning opening moves.
Congratulations to Ashwa.
That's really, really awesome,I mean why?
I mean it gives me some hopefor humanity, right?
Like we're all worried thatmaybe, like also our humans are
getting smarter, like, is therea world in which that's
happening?
We're having like some sort ofX-Men style evolutionary leap in

(01:00:25):
these children and they'rebecoming little, you know,
professor X's and geniuses.

Omar Najam (01:00:33):
Is that possible?
Hey man, I'm telling you, eightis an incredible.
Congratulations.
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