March 15, 2022 • 28 mins
As authorities surround Tony's apartment, Heckman continues to chip away at Tony and slowly inch toward his heart.
Starring: Jon Hamm, Joe Perrino, Dylan Baker, Carla Gugino and Becky Ann Baker
Directed by: Shawn Christensen
Written by: CD Carpenter
Starring: Jon Hamm, Joe Perrino, Dylan Baker, Carla Gugino and Becky Ann Baker
Directed by: Shawn Christensen
Written by: CD Carpenter
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American Hostage is an Amazon Original andCriminal Content production. This podcast is based
on a true story of a hostagecrisis that took place in Indianapolis in nineteen
seventy seven. Listener discretion is advised. Episode three, The lions Den.
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We understand now that this could gofor quite some time. Coritis reportedly has
four days apply of food any adepartment. National news and local news two
very different beasts with two very differentfaces. If you want to go national,
you've got a sensationalize now. Thatjust wasn't my thing. However,
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when you're stuck in the grind doinglocal news for twenty five years, you
start looking in places you shouldn't.You start getting reckless. I mean,
whom I kidding? I wanted tobe a name you'd never forget, and
so did Tony Curtzus, okay,next to kid, I'm sorry, I'm
sorry. What You're about to entera building? Why it with bombs?
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We needn't know who to contact incase you don't make it out. Oh
oh um my mother? Um orthree eight nine? Got it? And
your name again, Erica Potter,I am with the city. Start ahead,
Bigley, all right, give mea sentence wait, I'm sorry,
the bomb squard said, yeah.Now, Curtzus has already talked the four
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city lawyers today. He kicked allof them out. What makes you think
you'll get a different response? Ah? Well, uh, I'm the last
one. All right, here's asituation. The building is secured on all
sides, the most likely explosives onthe northwest corner. The bomb spot is
scout wearing all four main points.Is a swat team tucked in the back
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and sides, and are multiple snipersaiming at every floor. To be clear,
the building you're about to enter isa war zone, and you have
signed away your rights in the offchance or anything happens to you. Do
you understand the situation? Miss Potter? Okay, yeah, I hear you
just said. Nobody nobody said anythingabout am so you don't have any visual
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on It could just be a bluff, huh so, But how confident are
you that it's a buff? Nowhere's your badge. Take a right up
those stairs flight, you'll hit officeerpegging and he'll take you to the door.
I'm gonna give you a walkie talking, and if you feel like things
are going sideways, you hit meup and we'll push in. All right,
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I got Erica Potter coming up,newest city lawyers. Your luck Potter,
think, oh Luck Potter. Anythingyou say can get a man's head
blown up. Any wrong move andthe building can blow. So you know,
try not to get us cool.Oh, thank you, thank your
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people when we wanted to you missspot her. Yea, all right,
just come up this way, followme, keep it cool best you can.
The last lawyer was trying to gethis demands to just start there.
And also I do not recommend anychit chat. Okay, just get right
to it. Okay, thank you, good luck, so give and he
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let on that Marget working here,and then when we got to he jump
to the boot card to me heresays they do the plan B, Plan
A with to kill he had beenplanning with for four years. According to
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my information here here Paul's White isnow in a hospital for surgery on the
nature that we don't report. Okay, Tony, mister Tony curtzis I need
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to write down everything you want soI can take it back downtown to Bob
Ferrell. I don't even know whothe fuck I'm talking to. Who is
this? My name is Erica Potter. I'm a deputy prosecutor for Marion County.
Oh, we got us a bonafide female here, don't we.
They're pulling out all the stops now, mister, mister curtsis, I'm here
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to report on your conditions. Yousound like you're still sport pigtails. Honey,
How old are you? I'm I'mtwenty eight, Tony. Uh huh.
Well, now I know what they'rethinking. They're thinking they get a
female in here and suddenly I'm alla shutter. But baby doll, that
ain't happening. And you're off yourgoddamn rocker if you think this change is
a single goddamn thing. I'm madas hell, and I dodged the wiles
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of women this far, and Iain't stopping now. Don't you hear me,
Tony, It's not a trick.I can assure you that I am
perfectly equipped to handle these negotiations.And if they're how many goddamn lawyers this
fucking city? God? You?Where are the other fifteen I've been talking
to? They were pulled off.We we didn't want to make it seem
like we were gagging up on you. I'll be ear liaison to the prosecutor's
office. So anything you need willgo through me from now on. Where's
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my lawyer? This seems like agoddamn infringement on my right. Shous talk
without my lawyer? Okay, he'son his way, and if you'd like
to wait for him, we cando that. I just want to be
able to get you anything you needin the meantime. Huh. So they
made a female they hate haunch alawyer. Huh No, No, that
that would be Bob Farrell. Hesent me down here to negotiate terms of
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Well, why ain't Bob Farrell downhere himself, then, missus Potter,
if he's the one who's calling theshots, Oh, he's got another case
that needs his immediate attention. Wellthere's another fell out there sticking guns and
people's faces that I don't know aboutyou. No, Tony, I picked
a busy day for y'all. Huh. I can't even be the story of
the week, Tony. I canassure you that you have our complete and
undivided attention. Why do you becomea lawyer, Potter? I want to
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help people. No, no,no, no, no, no,
no, no, don't give methat bullshit. Honey, that shit from
a prosecutor. You're a finger wagger. When's the last time you sent a
real bad guy to jam? Imean a real bad fellow potter, a
real snut nosed cheet who swindles millions. Because there's a hell of a lot
of those fucks out there. Um. I prosecuted Cole Marky last year.
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Who's that? He's the guy whodropped that kid down the well? All
right, he counts, Tony.I requested this job myself because I wanted
to talk to you, sir.I think I'm the right person to get
you what you need. I findyour story very sympathized. Bad Dick and
tart a little blow job, Honey, there's that trick again. There's that
female? Is them if I everheard it? Trying to butter me up?
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So what you can do? Butthe kids trying to help you?
Tony? You all give me aminute. I gotta domesticate my friend Dick
here, Tony, Tony, Hey, what's what's going on? I love
talking to you, Dick, Butyou wait until you're prompted. You hear
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me, Tony? Yeah, what'sgoing on? You give me a minute?
Is mister Hall? Okay? Youall act like Dick can't wear Bruce.
Dick's just fine. I'm fine,I'm all right. Okay, now
you listen to me, miss Potter. Are you listening? Yes? Three
things, motherfucker. Three things.You got a little pen and paper?
Yeah, I got him. Tonynumber one, I want an apology del
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facto from Ridian Mortgage and the esterHouse Corporation that exercises me from all admonishment
from here thanks, fourth into untilall services are rendered. Okay, Yeah,
could you just repeat that, Tony? What are what? Are you
stupid? Are you a fucking lawyeror not? Yes? I am.
I just speak a legal leezer notdo you speak your own damn language?
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Okay. So your first demand isthat you want an apology from Esterhouse,
And what I assume is is youwant them to say that you never did
anything wrong. I want them tosay they cheated me, They cheated me,
and the whole goddamn world needs toknow it. Okay, Okay,
Tony number two, you get numberone down, Yeah, I got it.
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Number two I want one hundred andthirty thousand dollars in the hall say
I owe them wiped out. Iwant that gone. They fucked my plans
to get that money early, andI'm not dealing with it anymore, okay,
Tony. And I want five milliondollars. Five million dollars because I
worked like a dog my entire live, honey, and I never ever had
one greedy breath, and now Ifeel like being greedy with how I've been
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raped the way I have. SoI want five million dollars from my troubles.
Okay. And that's number three.No, that's part number two.
Are you stupid? Are you thatbig a moron? No, sir,
I just want to be clear.God, I can't stand you people.
Number three, I want ironclad immunity. I'm walking out of here and I'm
going home, and I'm putting outmy pajamas. I'm sleeping for a week
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straight, and there's not a goddamnpig who's gonna get in my way or
stop me. Okay, So immunity, that's right. No charges. I'm
gonna be able to walk down thestreet and sign autographs when this is over
and done. And no psychological evaluations, you hear me, none whatsoever?
All right? All right, hangon, Tony, Tony, hang on,
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I can hear you. Fine,it's okay. I know you're all
out there thinking I'm crazy and I'mout of my mind, and I'm not.
I am a sound mind and Iam stable. Okay, Okay,
Tony, I've got it all right? Is that all? That's it?
Now? I don't want to hearanother word from any of you, any
of you. I'm done, Andwhen I want to talk, i'll talk.
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So you get the hell away frommy door. Okay, Tony,
you get the white point. Wecan turn around over the baby and there
is a my arrival or prompt ona window with a clear view, a
baby of the apartment. I certainlynot claimed that any way. Oh whatever,
my God laying out the window andthe m Father God, give them
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peace and let them know you arewith them. Shut up, Dick,
What are you praying for? That'sabout all I have, Tony? What
do you pray for? Dick?My wife, my kids? Do?
What you forgot about yourself? Howthis happen if you pray so hard?
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I don't know. Yeah, that'smy problem with religion, Dick. I
don't know. Covers too much acreage. I've been praying for you too.
Oh yeah, what four? Well, let's do the right motherfucker. I
am doing the right thing. Thisis goddamn justice. You understand me,
Look at me, Dick. That'ssomething the Bible is all about, isn't
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it justice? And if you're prayingthat I do the right thing, you
might as well be praying I blowyour head. And as Tony, I
want to settle this as much asyou well, I know you do.
You didn't die a shop into theback of my head, but you stutplut
a noose around me. Pal.You've been squeezing the life out of me
for four years. Four years.I've been gagging for four four the loan.
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I know you gave me the loanand two extensions. You stop telling
me what you did for me.I came to you with a plan to
develop the best land in the city. I had offers, and you know
I had offers. I don't wantto make you mad. Well, we're
damn pass that now, aren't wepassed? Saying I want to have this
conversation with you, Tony, andI want to have it man to man,
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which is the way it should behad. But you've got me handcuffed
with the guns in my head,and I don't feel like I can speak
my mind because you're scaring me,Tony, and I know you want to
and you've succeeded, But if youwant to have this conversation like men,
you've got to bring me to yourlevel. Yeah. I think that's fine.
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Turn around. Sorry, he gotyou? Now, Dick, you
don't do anything fucking stupid because youyell or you move and this whole building
goes up. You hear me,I hear you, Tony. Now,
Dick, give me your best bullshit. Last year, after that second extension,
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you came in with that offer fromthe jewel Company. No, I
fucking remember, and I remember Dadwas excited for you because they had offered
you some real money on that land. And I remember you were excited too.
I was excited, you bet yourass. They were gonna give me
five hundred thousand dollars for that andI barely developed yet. Why didn't you
take it? Because it didn't feelright? And I knew, I fucking
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knew they were gonna be better offers, and you knew too, And that's
why you and your fucking family wentbehind my back and started showing the land
to other clients without me knowing whowe did. What don't you give me
that you son of a bait,Tony, I genuinely have no idea what
you're talking about. You when yourdaddy were taking meetings behind my back,
talking about my land, the landI took a loan out on, and
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the land I broke my back todevelopment. We didn't do that. You're
a liar. You're a fucking liar. You tried to steal them away from
me. You tried to steal myfiars. Listen, you're scaring me again,
But I'm gonna hold firm that wedidn't do what you're saying now.
We had to far close because youweren't. You did You ruined, oh
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my goddamn life, and I hadsuch a little one to ruin. You
were born with a silver spooning yourmouth, and I was forced to build
a house with a rusty one asa shovel. I didn't have a wife,
I didn't have kids. I hadhand shaved down to the bone from
all the work I did to makemy dreams come true, and you had
to take it away from me.You had to look look what you made
me. Don let's let's talk.I'd let you talk, and I'll let
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you speak your mind. And I'ma perfect goddamn gentleman. I'm a perfect
gentleman. Now you're turning around roundbast your nose right through your say,
Tony, M, could you atleast loosen the handcuffs and notch My wrists
are swollen? Let me see M. Well, shit, that looks bad.
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Just one notch less would help.I would pal, but I don't
have a key. You want somerice form? Sure? Thanks, Tony?
What do you really want to killme? You made it so I
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half to one it here. Accordingto one one man who walk well,
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my dispended in the downtown area withhim, his hand is tied such a
way that would he be shot,the fall of his body would pull the
trigger on the shot gun and killedthe hot pitch. And it's because of
that kind of free thinking that theposture here is one of greatly Here.
Hello, Tony, it's Fred.Yes, sir, mister Eckman. How
are you well? I'm doing allright, Tony. You got news for
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me about that interview? Yes,yes, sir, I do. We
are. We're good to go overhere. That's good news. That is
good news, yes, sir,Thank you, mister Hickman. Well yeah,
now, Tony, I also gotto think him that you were right
when you were talking about the eleveno'clock slot, and that's that's too late,
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and your story deserves as much coverageas it can get. You're absolutely
goddamn right. Part pardon my language. It's almost nine o'clock now, yes,
sir, but the whole world's watching. I heard a chopper outside just
an hour ago. Well, whatwe'd love is if you could come down
to the station and talk with usafter you release mister Hall, and we'll
let you talk for as long asyou'd like. I mean, they don't
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even let me talk that long.Tony, Tony, what do you say?
Didn't know you thought of me assuch a huge fucking idiot, mister
h whoa, whoa, whoa?Hang on there now with them? Now?
Are you working with them? Isthat it? You're working with these
pigs? These Tony was just anight. Now you listen here, mister
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Eman. Now respect you, andI respect your situation. I've listened to
you for nearly twenty years, andI've told people to listen to you because
I thought you respect you, you'relisteners, and now you're going against me,
and you're going against the people,the common people. The common man
to work with these pigs. Doyou have them in the room with you
right now? No, it's justyou and me, Tony. Where did
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Leo Malone go? He's talk myear off for hours and then just disappeared.
Is he with you? He's nothere. There's nobody named Lenny Malone
here, Leo Malone, mister rackman, I said to Leo Malone, he's
not here. Now you're listening tome right now. I'm giving you the
night off. You hear me?Because I agree with you about the eleven
o'clock time, so i'd being bullshit. It is bullshit. So tomorrow we're
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gonna do this thing for real.Do you understand We're gonna do this interview
live at noon noon? Do youhear me? When everybody's listening, I
hear You're not putting this shit offanymore. No more, I'm hearing everything
you're saying. I'm tired you're procrastinating, mister hickman, because you never get
me closer to putting too slugs Ncall'shead. When I catch you procrastinating,
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I understand you, Tony, Iunderstand you apologize to me so we can
get back on track to be inFrance because I don't like streatment at you,
mister Hickman. I don't like itone bit. You're a man I
respect, and I prefer having respectfor you rather than anger. Well,
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I am sorry about all that,Tony. All right, all right,
hey, hey, we're back ontrack, baby, Tony. I'd like
to ask you a favor. Yeah, yeah, I bet you would.
See. I did what Dick askedme to do, and I called his
wife, Shelby. She is scaredout of her mind, Tony. She's
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been watching the TV all day andshe's practically catatonic with fear. I'd say
anyone in her position would be Well. Now, I told her that I
would ask you if it would beokay for Dick to call his wife and
talk to her for just a minute. You did what? Now? Now,
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I didn't say you would let him. I know you're calling the shots,
Tony. I just told her thatI would ask, and then I
believed you were a fair man.But I didn't say you would let him.
But what do you think, Tony? Do you think you'd let him
do that as a personal favor tome. I'm just thinking about how much
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my wife would need to hear fromme. You're Russ anniversary U missing,
Yes, the very same one.I don't want anyone thinking I'm cruel.
Nobody thinks you're cruel to me.I'll do it. I'll do it for
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you, mister Hackman, because you'rea hell of a man. You can
call me Fred Tony, Yes,sir mister Fred. Or look look at
that you got me all flustered,Yes, sir mister Fred. Okay,
tomorrow, Lightning. The offer onlystands so long as Dick Hall is alive.
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Tony, h I hear you.We'll talk tomorrow. You take care
of yourself and him. Good night, Fred. Call your wife? Do
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you mean it? Yes? Imean it. You need to calm her
down. Well, thank you toI'll give you five minutes, Dick,
and I'll be right here. Hello, sweetheart, it's me. Oh Dick,
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Dick. Did they get you out? No? No, hang on,
honey, I'm still here. I'mstill with Tony. Dick. I
don't, I don't. I don'tunderstand what he's doing. He's very upset,
honey. He's very upset. Andhow a deal we made with him,
how it all started to come apart. I talked, I talked to
Fred Heckman. He said that hetried and get Tony to let us talk.
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Yeah, Tony and I both areboth are big Fred heck and Fancy
seems to be doing everything he canfor the two of us. How's your
lung, Honey, feeling okay?I'm staying in bed. I don't want
you back in surgery, and I'mfeeling okay. I'm behind Dick? What
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about you? How is it allwith you? Talking to your wife?
Helps? Let me get the kids? No, no, honey, don't
no, it's it's better. It'sbetter that they don't m sweetheart. I
love you very much, and Iwant you to tell the kids I love
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them very much. Dick, don't, Dick, what's God? What's that?
Don't say it like that, Please, don't say it like that,
like what like? You have tomake sure I know you do, need
to know, you need to know, Shelby. No, you're coming home,
Dick. Tell me you're coming home? Shall be? Tell me you're
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coming home? Honey. I wantyou to do something for me. What
what it's New Year's Eve nineteen sixtyWhat are you wearing? What am I
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wearing? Yeah? What are youwearing? That red dress? Polka dots.
It's too cold for that dress,and you wear it anyway. I
felt like making an impression. Wewalk over to the bar to get away
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from Harry's jokes, and it's thefirst time we're alone. I'm smoking.
That's right, you're smoking and I'mnot. But I get you to drink.
Yes, you do. It hadbeen a hard day that had threatened
to fire me if I didn't getmy act together. That's what you told
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me, and he was mad.I didn't stay in the office that night
to go over some of the numberswe'd have to deal with in the new
year. I remember, But ifI had stayed in I wouldn't have had
that moment with you, where youwould find out I don't smoke, and
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where I would get a drink withyou. Stare at you in that red
dress, and then we hear it. Look for the silver lining. Whenever
a cloud appears in the blue,remember somewhere the sun is shining, and
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so the right thing to do ismake it shine for you. Her heart
full of joy and gladness, willalways banish sadness and strive to always look
for the silver lining and try tofind the sunny side. Oh life.
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I love you too, Dick.Good night, Honey, good night,
Dick. I'll talk to you soon. M M. Thank you, Tony.
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You're welcome, Dick. I don'tknow what's gonna happen tomorrow, but
you ain't gonna die tonight. Nexttime on American Hostage, I want to
talk about the interview. I gotsome questions I want you to ask me.
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You got a pen and paper,Go ahead, Tony. Question one?
Do you regret having killed the prisoner? Fed? They're coming in.
I'm just worried. I fed isgonna make Tony jumping. Well, don't
worry about that. I'll stay quiet. You won't know him there. Where
the fuck was that was? Thatwas Jim, my producer? Do you
put him on the phone right now? This is Jim. Are you associated
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with the law enforcement? No?I am not associated with law enforcement?
Did you break pieces of ship ofthe fucker? Right now? Tony?
Did you kill him? I needyou to answer me now, Tony is
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American Hostage is an Amazon Original andCriminal Content production. This podcast is based
on a true story of a hostagecrisis that took place in Indianapolis in nineteen
seventy seven. Listener discretion is advised. Episode three, The lions Den.
(00:28):
We understand now that this could gofor quite some time. Coritis reportedly has
four days apply of food any adepartment. National news and local news two
very different beasts with two very differentfaces. If you want to go national,
you've got a sensationalize now. Thatjust wasn't my thing. However,
(00:50):
when you're stuck in the grind doinglocal news for twenty five years, you
start looking in places you shouldn't.You start getting reckless. I mean,
whom I kidding? I wanted tobe a name you'd never forget, and
so did Tony Curtzus, okay,next to kid, I'm sorry, I'm
sorry. What You're about to entera building? Why it with bombs?
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We needn't know who to contact incase you don't make it out. Oh
oh um my mother? Um orthree eight nine? Got it? And
your name again, Erica Potter,I am with the city. Start ahead,
Bigley, all right, give mea sentence wait, I'm sorry,
the bomb squard said, yeah.Now, Curtzus has already talked the four
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city lawyers today. He kicked allof them out. What makes you think
you'll get a different response? Ah? Well, uh, I'm the last
one. All right, here's asituation. The building is secured on all
sides, the most likely explosives onthe northwest corner. The bomb spot is
scout wearing all four main points.Is a swat team tucked in the back
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and sides, and are multiple snipersaiming at every floor. To be clear,
the building you're about to enter isa war zone, and you have
signed away your rights in the offchance or anything happens to you. Do
you understand the situation? Miss Potter? Okay, yeah, I hear you
just said. Nobody nobody said anythingabout am so you don't have any visual
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on It could just be a bluff, huh so, But how confident are
you that it's a buff? Nowhere's your badge. Take a right up
those stairs flight, you'll hit officeerpegging and he'll take you to the door.
I'm gonna give you a walkie talking, and if you feel like things
are going sideways, you hit meup and we'll push in. All right,
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I got Erica Potter coming up,newest city lawyers. Your luck Potter,
think, oh Luck Potter. Anythingyou say can get a man's head
blown up. Any wrong move andthe building can blow. So you know,
try not to get us cool.Oh, thank you, thank your
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people when we wanted to you missspot her. Yea, all right,
just come up this way, followme, keep it cool best you can.
The last lawyer was trying to gethis demands to just start there.
And also I do not recommend anychit chat. Okay, just get right
to it. Okay, thank you, good luck, so give and he
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let on that Marget working here,and then when we got to he jump
to the boot card to me heresays they do the plan B, Plan
A with to kill he had beenplanning with for four years. According to
(03:54):
my information here here Paul's White isnow in a hospital for surgery on the
nature that we don't report. Okay, Tony, mister Tony curtzis I need
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to write down everything you want soI can take it back downtown to Bob
Ferrell. I don't even know whothe fuck I'm talking to. Who is
this? My name is Erica Potter. I'm a deputy prosecutor for Marion County.
Oh, we got us a bonafide female here, don't we.
They're pulling out all the stops now, mister, mister curtsis, I'm here
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to report on your conditions. Yousound like you're still sport pigtails. Honey,
How old are you? I'm I'mtwenty eight, Tony. Uh huh.
Well, now I know what they'rethinking. They're thinking they get a
female in here and suddenly I'm alla shutter. But baby doll, that
ain't happening. And you're off yourgoddamn rocker if you think this change is
a single goddamn thing. I'm madas hell, and I dodged the wiles
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of women this far, and Iain't stopping now. Don't you hear me,
Tony, It's not a trick.I can assure you that I am
perfectly equipped to handle these negotiations.And if they're how many goddamn lawyers this
fucking city? God? You?Where are the other fifteen I've been talking
to? They were pulled off.We we didn't want to make it seem
like we were gagging up on you. I'll be ear liaison to the prosecutor's
office. So anything you need willgo through me from now on. Where's
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my lawyer? This seems like agoddamn infringement on my right. Shous talk
without my lawyer? Okay, he'son his way, and if you'd like
to wait for him, we cando that. I just want to be
able to get you anything you needin the meantime. Huh. So they
made a female they hate haunch alawyer. Huh No, No, that
that would be Bob Farrell. Hesent me down here to negotiate terms of
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Well, why ain't Bob Farrell downhere himself, then, missus Potter,
if he's the one who's calling theshots, Oh, he's got another case
that needs his immediate attention. Wellthere's another fell out there sticking guns and
people's faces that I don't know aboutyou. No, Tony, I picked
a busy day for y'all. Huh. I can't even be the story of
the week, Tony. I canassure you that you have our complete and
undivided attention. Why do you becomea lawyer, Potter? I want to
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help people. No, no,no, no, no, no,
no, no, don't give methat bullshit. Honey, that shit from
a prosecutor. You're a finger wagger. When's the last time you sent a
real bad guy to jam? Imean a real bad fellow potter, a
real snut nosed cheet who swindles millions. Because there's a hell of a lot
of those fucks out there. Um. I prosecuted Cole Marky last year.
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Who's that? He's the guy whodropped that kid down the well? All
right, he counts, Tony.I requested this job myself because I wanted
to talk to you, sir.I think I'm the right person to get
you what you need. I findyour story very sympathized. Bad Dick and
tart a little blow job, Honey, there's that trick again. There's that
female? Is them if I everheard it? Trying to butter me up?
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So what you can do? Butthe kids trying to help you?
Tony? You all give me aminute. I gotta domesticate my friend Dick
here, Tony, Tony, Hey, what's what's going on? I love
talking to you, Dick, Butyou wait until you're prompted. You hear
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me, Tony? Yeah, what'sgoing on? You give me a minute?
Is mister Hall? Okay? Youall act like Dick can't wear Bruce.
Dick's just fine. I'm fine,I'm all right. Okay, now
you listen to me, miss Potter. Are you listening? Yes? Three
things, motherfucker. Three things.You got a little pen and paper?
Yeah, I got him. Tonynumber one, I want an apology del
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facto from Ridian Mortgage and the esterHouse Corporation that exercises me from all admonishment
from here thanks, fourth into untilall services are rendered. Okay, Yeah,
could you just repeat that, Tony? What are what? Are you
stupid? Are you a fucking lawyeror not? Yes? I am.
I just speak a legal leezer notdo you speak your own damn language?
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Okay. So your first demand isthat you want an apology from Esterhouse,
And what I assume is is youwant them to say that you never did
anything wrong. I want them tosay they cheated me, They cheated me,
and the whole goddamn world needs toknow it. Okay, Okay,
Tony number two, you get numberone down, Yeah, I got it.
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Number two I want one hundred andthirty thousand dollars in the hall say
I owe them wiped out. Iwant that gone. They fucked my plans
to get that money early, andI'm not dealing with it anymore, okay,
Tony. And I want five milliondollars. Five million dollars because I
worked like a dog my entire live, honey, and I never ever had
one greedy breath, and now Ifeel like being greedy with how I've been
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raped the way I have. SoI want five million dollars from my troubles.
Okay. And that's number three.No, that's part number two.
Are you stupid? Are you thatbig a moron? No, sir,
I just want to be clear.God, I can't stand you people.
Number three, I want ironclad immunity. I'm walking out of here and I'm
going home, and I'm putting outmy pajamas. I'm sleeping for a week
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straight, and there's not a goddamnpig who's gonna get in my way or
stop me. Okay, So immunity, that's right. No charges. I'm
gonna be able to walk down thestreet and sign autographs when this is over
and done. And no psychological evaluations, you hear me, none whatsoever?
All right? All right, hangon, Tony, Tony, hang on,
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I can hear you. Fine,it's okay. I know you're all
out there thinking I'm crazy and I'mout of my mind, and I'm not.
I am a sound mind and Iam stable. Okay, Okay,
Tony, I've got it all right? Is that all? That's it?
Now? I don't want to hearanother word from any of you, any
of you. I'm done, Andwhen I want to talk, i'll talk.
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So you get the hell away frommy door. Okay, Tony,
you get the white point. Wecan turn around over the baby and there
is a my arrival or prompt ona window with a clear view, a
baby of the apartment. I certainlynot claimed that any way. Oh whatever,
my God laying out the window andthe m Father God, give them
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peace and let them know you arewith them. Shut up, Dick,
What are you praying for? That'sabout all I have, Tony? What
do you pray for? Dick?My wife, my kids? Do?
What you forgot about yourself? Howthis happen if you pray so hard?
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I don't know. Yeah, that'smy problem with religion, Dick. I
don't know. Covers too much acreage. I've been praying for you too.
Oh yeah, what four? Well, let's do the right motherfucker. I
am doing the right thing. Thisis goddamn justice. You understand me,
Look at me, Dick. That'ssomething the Bible is all about, isn't
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it justice? And if you're prayingthat I do the right thing, you
might as well be praying I blowyour head. And as Tony, I
want to settle this as much asyou well, I know you do.
You didn't die a shop into theback of my head, but you stutplut
a noose around me. Pal.You've been squeezing the life out of me
for four years. Four years.I've been gagging for four four the loan.
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I know you gave me the loanand two extensions. You stop telling
me what you did for me.I came to you with a plan to
develop the best land in the city. I had offers, and you know
I had offers. I don't wantto make you mad. Well, we're
damn pass that now, aren't wepassed? Saying I want to have this
conversation with you, Tony, andI want to have it man to man,
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which is the way it should behad. But you've got me handcuffed
with the guns in my head,and I don't feel like I can speak
my mind because you're scaring me,Tony, and I know you want to
and you've succeeded, But if youwant to have this conversation like men,
you've got to bring me to yourlevel. Yeah. I think that's fine.
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Turn around. Sorry, he gotyou? Now, Dick, you
don't do anything fucking stupid because youyell or you move and this whole building
goes up. You hear me,I hear you, Tony. Now,
Dick, give me your best bullshit. Last year, after that second extension,
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you came in with that offer fromthe jewel Company. No, I
fucking remember, and I remember Dadwas excited for you because they had offered
you some real money on that land. And I remember you were excited too.
I was excited, you bet yourass. They were gonna give me
five hundred thousand dollars for that andI barely developed yet. Why didn't you
take it? Because it didn't feelright? And I knew, I fucking
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knew they were gonna be better offers, and you knew too, And that's
why you and your fucking family wentbehind my back and started showing the land
to other clients without me knowing whowe did. What don't you give me
that you son of a bait,Tony, I genuinely have no idea what
you're talking about. You when yourdaddy were taking meetings behind my back,
talking about my land, the landI took a loan out on, and
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the land I broke my back todevelopment. We didn't do that. You're
a liar. You're a fucking liar. You tried to steal them away from
me. You tried to steal myfiars. Listen, you're scaring me again,
But I'm gonna hold firm that wedidn't do what you're saying now.
We had to far close because youweren't. You did You ruined, oh
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my goddamn life, and I hadsuch a little one to ruin. You
were born with a silver spooning yourmouth, and I was forced to build
a house with a rusty one asa shovel. I didn't have a wife,
I didn't have kids. I hadhand shaved down to the bone from
all the work I did to makemy dreams come true, and you had
to take it away from me.You had to look look what you made
me. Don let's let's talk.I'd let you talk, and I'll let
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you speak your mind. And I'ma perfect goddamn gentleman. I'm a perfect
gentleman. Now you're turning around roundbast your nose right through your say,
Tony, M, could you atleast loosen the handcuffs and notch My wrists
are swollen? Let me see M. Well, shit, that looks bad.
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Just one notch less would help.I would pal, but I don't
have a key. You want somerice form? Sure? Thanks, Tony?
What do you really want to killme? You made it so I
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half to one it here. Accordingto one one man who walk well,
(15:24):
my dispended in the downtown area withhim, his hand is tied such a
way that would he be shot,the fall of his body would pull the
trigger on the shot gun and killedthe hot pitch. And it's because of
that kind of free thinking that theposture here is one of greatly Here.
Hello, Tony, it's Fred.Yes, sir, mister Eckman. How
are you well? I'm doing allright, Tony. You got news for
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me about that interview? Yes,yes, sir, I do. We
are. We're good to go overhere. That's good news. That is
good news, yes, sir,Thank you, mister Hickman. Well yeah,
now, Tony, I also gotto think him that you were right
when you were talking about the eleveno'clock slot, and that's that's too late,
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and your story deserves as much coverageas it can get. You're absolutely
goddamn right. Part pardon my language. It's almost nine o'clock now, yes,
sir, but the whole world's watching. I heard a chopper outside just
an hour ago. Well, whatwe'd love is if you could come down
to the station and talk with usafter you release mister Hall, and we'll
let you talk for as long asyou'd like. I mean, they don't
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even let me talk that long.Tony, Tony, what do you say?
Didn't know you thought of me assuch a huge fucking idiot, mister
h whoa, whoa, whoa?Hang on there now with them? Now?
Are you working with them? Isthat it? You're working with these
pigs? These Tony was just anight. Now you listen here, mister
(16:57):
Eman. Now respect you, andI respect your situation. I've listened to
you for nearly twenty years, andI've told people to listen to you because
I thought you respect you, you'relisteners, and now you're going against me,
and you're going against the people,the common people. The common man
to work with these pigs. Doyou have them in the room with you
right now? No, it's justyou and me, Tony. Where did
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Leo Malone go? He's talk myear off for hours and then just disappeared.
Is he with you? He's nothere. There's nobody named Lenny Malone
here, Leo Malone, mister rackman, I said to Leo Malone, he's
not here. Now you're listening tome right now. I'm giving you the
night off. You hear me?Because I agree with you about the eleven
o'clock time, so i'd being bullshit. It is bullshit. So tomorrow we're
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gonna do this thing for real.Do you understand We're gonna do this interview
live at noon noon? Do youhear me? When everybody's listening, I
hear You're not putting this shit offanymore. No more, I'm hearing everything
you're saying. I'm tired you're procrastinating, mister hickman, because you never get
me closer to putting too slugs Ncall'shead. When I catch you procrastinating,
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I understand you, Tony, Iunderstand you apologize to me so we can
get back on track to be inFrance because I don't like streatment at you,
mister Hickman. I don't like itone bit. You're a man I
respect, and I prefer having respectfor you rather than anger. Well,
(18:23):
I am sorry about all that,Tony. All right, all right,
hey, hey, we're back ontrack, baby, Tony. I'd like
to ask you a favor. Yeah, yeah, I bet you would.
See. I did what Dick askedme to do, and I called his
wife, Shelby. She is scaredout of her mind, Tony. She's
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been watching the TV all day andshe's practically catatonic with fear. I'd say
anyone in her position would be Well. Now, I told her that I
would ask you if it would beokay for Dick to call his wife and
talk to her for just a minute. You did what? Now? Now,
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I didn't say you would let him. I know you're calling the shots,
Tony. I just told her thatI would ask, and then I
believed you were a fair man.But I didn't say you would let him.
But what do you think, Tony? Do you think you'd let him
do that as a personal favor tome. I'm just thinking about how much
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my wife would need to hear fromme. You're Russ anniversary U missing,
Yes, the very same one.I don't want anyone thinking I'm cruel.
Nobody thinks you're cruel to me.I'll do it. I'll do it for
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you, mister Hackman, because you'rea hell of a man. You can
call me Fred Tony, Yes,sir mister Fred. Or look look at
that you got me all flustered,Yes, sir mister Fred. Okay,
tomorrow, Lightning. The offer onlystands so long as Dick Hall is alive.
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Tony, h I hear you.We'll talk tomorrow. You take care
of yourself and him. Good night, Fred. Call your wife? Do
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you mean it? Yes? Imean it. You need to calm her
down. Well, thank you toI'll give you five minutes, Dick,
and I'll be right here. Hello, sweetheart, it's me. Oh Dick,
(21:32):
Dick. Did they get you out? No? No, hang on,
honey, I'm still here. I'mstill with Tony. Dick. I
don't, I don't. I don'tunderstand what he's doing. He's very upset,
honey. He's very upset. Andhow a deal we made with him,
how it all started to come apart. I talked, I talked to
Fred Heckman. He said that hetried and get Tony to let us talk.
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Yeah, Tony and I both areboth are big Fred heck and Fancy
seems to be doing everything he canfor the two of us. How's your
lung, Honey, feeling okay?I'm staying in bed. I don't want
you back in surgery, and I'mfeeling okay. I'm behind Dick? What
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about you? How is it allwith you? Talking to your wife?
Helps? Let me get the kids? No, no, honey, don't
no, it's it's better. It'sbetter that they don't m sweetheart. I
love you very much, and Iwant you to tell the kids I love
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them very much. Dick, don't, Dick, what's God? What's that?
Don't say it like that, Please, don't say it like that,
like what like? You have tomake sure I know you do, need
to know, you need to know, Shelby. No, you're coming home,
Dick. Tell me you're coming home? Shall be? Tell me you're
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coming home? Honey. I wantyou to do something for me. What
what it's New Year's Eve nineteen sixtyWhat are you wearing? What am I
(23:33):
wearing? Yeah? What are youwearing? That red dress? Polka dots.
It's too cold for that dress,and you wear it anyway. I
felt like making an impression. Wewalk over to the bar to get away
(23:55):
from Harry's jokes, and it's thefirst time we're alone. I'm smoking.
That's right, you're smoking and I'mnot. But I get you to drink.
Yes, you do. It hadbeen a hard day that had threatened
to fire me if I didn't getmy act together. That's what you told
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me, and he was mad.I didn't stay in the office that night
to go over some of the numberswe'd have to deal with in the new
year. I remember, But ifI had stayed in I wouldn't have had
that moment with you, where youwould find out I don't smoke, and
(24:40):
where I would get a drink withyou. Stare at you in that red
dress, and then we hear it. Look for the silver lining. Whenever
a cloud appears in the blue,remember somewhere the sun is shining, and
(25:04):
so the right thing to do ismake it shine for you. Her heart
full of joy and gladness, willalways banish sadness and strive to always look
for the silver lining and try tofind the sunny side. Oh life.
(25:33):
I love you too, Dick.Good night, Honey, good night,
Dick. I'll talk to you soon. M M. Thank you, Tony.
(25:57):
You're welcome, Dick. I don'tknow what's gonna happen tomorrow, but
you ain't gonna die tonight. Nexttime on American Hostage, I want to
talk about the interview. I gotsome questions I want you to ask me.
(26:18):
You got a pen and paper,Go ahead, Tony. Question one?
Do you regret having killed the prisoner? Fed? They're coming in.
I'm just worried. I fed isgonna make Tony jumping. Well, don't
worry about that. I'll stay quiet. You won't know him there. Where
the fuck was that was? Thatwas Jim, my producer? Do you
put him on the phone right now? This is Jim. Are you associated
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with the law enforcement? No?I am not associated with law enforcement?
Did you break pieces of ship ofthe fucker? Right now? Tony?
Did you kill him? I needyou to answer me now, Tony is
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