March 22, 2022 • 19 mins
The FBI sends in their newest profiler to help Fred prepare for the most dangerous on-air interview of his life.
Starring: Jon Hamm, Joe Perrino, Dylan Baker, Carla Gugino and Becky Ann Baker
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Written by: CD Carpenter
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Directed by: Shawn Christensen
Written by: CD Carpenter
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American Hostage is an Amazon original andCriminal Content production. This podcast is based
on a true story of a hostagecrisis that took place in Indianapolis in nineteen
seventy seven. Listener discretion is advisedEpisode four, The Profiler. When a
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guy's neck is on the line wasa common euphemism used around newsrooms, a
casual way of saying someone's in abind. But when that guy's neck has
a dead man's line strapped around itwith a sawed off shotgun named square at
the back of his head, believeme, there's nothing casual about it,
especially when you're the only thing standingbetween his life and the man with the
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trigger. Look, I'm sorry.I couldn't make it tonight, Barb.
I can take the couch. Idon't want you on the couch because I
don't want to spend a week hearingabout your back. What if I didn't
pick up the phone? Huh?What if it wasn't me? I already
apologized, don't Barb me. Idon't know what else I can do.
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Why is it that every time wetalk nowadays, it's because you're apologizing,
Barbara. You've clearly got something youneed to say, so you should say
it. I don't want this tobe a fight. We want to tell
you that I'm happy about it,that I engineered it, that I deliberately
went back to the station to goafter a story. Did I say something?
Maybe I did, But it wasn'tbecause I wanted to ditch my beautiful
wife or spoil another anniversary. Itis because I am lost. I don't
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know what you've been saying to thatman, but I am sure that you
are the reason dick Hole is stillalive. But when you called from the
office today, I didn't even getto have the kind of reaction any normal
person would have to the news yougave me. I knew that it was
you and that you wouldn't be comingback, and I feel guilty. I
feel guilty that when you said youwere saving a man's life, that moment
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was numbed for me. You deservea better husband, Barb. How give
me some time to answer how?And I promised to answer it. Okay,
Barb, good night, good night. I love you, honey.
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Kuritzis was like a cosmic event.He was his own planetary system, and
the rest of us, the media, were just moons orbiting around him idly.
Floating by. Why did I disruptthe system? Why did I exit
the Indie five hundred speedway and veeroff the track? I was bored,
I was hungry, I was reckless. That was all those things, simple
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as that. Jus you know,Fred Cliff, how's a copy? You're
allowed to wipe your feet before youstart work? Okay, I could multitask
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what's new? We did some digging. Found an old polatic work that chritsis
one's threatened his own sister with anaxe. That right a few years ago.
That gives you a photo confidence anythingelse. Feds are coming in morning,
Sally the Feds. Yeah, Ithink Jim's got them on the phone
right now. Jim's in his officealready, he slept here. You're kidding,
No, I guess broadcasting a potentialhomicide. That's giving him the jitters
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overrel Gary came in an hour early. Bryce Height, No, no,
you can you can bet. No. No, we're not gonna Fred,
you wipe that fucking smug look offyour fucking face. We're we're putting the
ball in your court. Whatever agentPeterson says goes, all right, yes,
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sir, I'll call you back whenhe gets here. All right,
Thank you, sir. I'll justsleep. I don't you like an imprint
of my wedding ring between your eyes? The Feds are coming in. Oh
what else you know? I talkedto Chief Gallagher about an hour ago.
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He said, Tony has been upall night ranning and raving NonStop. Hell
if he doesn't come out of thiswith a hole in his head, he'll
be the new mascot for Drossell.Oh, he's gonna be irritable. Yeah,
I wonder what that'll look like.Oh, you know what a profiler
is, fred like a reporter?No, no, no, I'm talking
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about the field of criminal psychology.Then no, I don't may neither.
But we're getting one. Special AgentRoy Peterson will be here any minute.
He's gonna gobbly book his way intoour hearts and we're gonna listen everything he
says and not our heads. Yes, because he's federal and we need someone
other than the station to take responsibilityfor all this shit if it goes sideways.
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Coffee good this morning, Jim,Yeah, fuck off Especial Agent Peterson
just walked in. Yeah, yeah, we're ready for him. Peterson,
gentlemen, Yeah, come on in, Agent Peterson h Hi. I'm I'm
Jim Hilliard. This is Fred Heckman, sir, good to meet you.
Look, I'm not gonna waste timewith the usual pleasant trees. Okay,
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how much time we got before we'reon? Are you go live at noon?
Okay? Well, look I've beenwatching the footage since last night.
Hell of a man you've got here. We noticed. So look, if
it's all right with you, I'dlike to be on call for today.
Well, it's all right with me, Agent Peterson. Just call me Roy.
It's all we've got time for.Okay, Roy, I'm just worried
if FED is gonna make Tony jumpy. Look, don't worry about that.
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I'll stay quiet. He won't knowhim there. Now, I'm want to
do some light speed coaching based offmy initial profile here. All right,
we were just talking about that.What is it you do? Exactly?
The short of it is that Ianalyze criminals and make identifying assessments to their
future actions and means of operations.WHOA behold the omnipotent powers of the FBI.
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No, not omnipotent yet, butwe'll get there. Forensic profiling is
a brand new science, but it'spicking up steam in the bureau. The
short of short of it is isthat I specialize in men like Tony kurtzs
okay, why can you tell usabout him? I can tell you that
he's manic depressive, and that's preciselywhat makes him dangerous. Oh, I
wouldn't call him depressed, He's justangry. Manic depression doesn't manifest in the
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same way as a normal depression.It produces a reaction to the depression.
Look, have you all heard thenine one one call he made yesterday morning?
No? Okay, well I've recordedoff my phone here listen to this
point. Yes, sir, yes, sir, I'm stand But you say
you've got some of them wired upa shot I've got a real deal,
twelve gay shotgun wired up to theback of his head. And anything happens
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to me, it goes off,And if he moves, it goes off.
And I got her. So there'sa hundred ways of goes off and
only one way don't and that's keepingme alive and good you understand. I
understanding. And they say no crankcall, Yes, sir, this is
not a crawd. I don't everhave much for anyone to take and these
motherfuckers find some way to take itall, and I'm mad as hell.
I swear to God, he's almostas good as that. He's never been
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closer to death than he is rightnow. So you see, Tony has
made a connection between his life andhis goals, which serves as the basis
for his depression. But his operationsrevolve around a skewed sense of justice.
So he's crazy. No, heisn't crazy. Tony is very much in
control and very sane. Manic depressivesare not inherently violent people. There are
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thousands all over the country and theyget by just fine, like you and
me. Like them, Tony understandsthe concepts of right and wrong, but
he's acting out in retaliation to traumaexperience as a child. Yeah, well,
we were told he hated talking abouthis father. So the difference between
Tony and say mass murderer is thathe operates and relies on the empathy of
others. Someone experiencing a psychological breakor someone who was a full fledged psychopath
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wouldn't be able to do that.Okay, so then he'll let their call
go. I'm not saying that hewill. I'm saying that he could.
The potential is there, but hecould kill him. Roy, we're numbers
guys here. What are the odds? Eight twenty eighty in favor of Dick's
release? Jim, I wouldn't behere if it was eighteen favor? Fred,
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your phone's ringing him? Slick Leonardcalled? Did they win? They're
playing tonight? He was wondering ifwe'd be calling back. So nobody wants
to hear about how the Pacers aregoing to get the shit kicked out of
again? So what should I tellhim? Parallog next season? Ah?
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Shit, it's locked. You areshitting me. When did you start locking
your office? I don't know.I thought i'd try something new. Come
on, friend, come on,you got the kid? Hold on,
hold on, I gotta here wego. Here we go, Okay,
here we go? All right?Roy? What am I doing? Okay?
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Right now? Do everything you canto humanize Dick Hall Okay, say
his name often. Anything you cando to make Tony feel like he's having
a conversation about people instead of anegotiation about what he wants, Okay.
Fred Heckman speaking to Christis, sir, good morning, Tony. I thought
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you get into work at seven.Yeah, yeah, I've been here.
We've been in meetings all morning.We're getting ready for the for the big
interview today. That's what I wantedto know. Yep, Yeah, we're
good to go. How's Dick doing, Tony? Are you still kicking?
How's your wife? She's doing fine. She's mad at you for missing your
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anniversary. She's a good woman.Tell me she understands the situation. Yeah,
yeah, I'm sorry about that.They brought my brother Stephen up here
last night and I was talking tohim. What you talking about with your
brother? Really just doesn't get it, Fred, He's just I know he
cares about me at all, butthat just makes it worse when the people
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who love you don't understand you.I can't think of anything worse. I
know what you mean, Tony,and I don't have a wife. I
never had a wife. I barelyever done steady, and I don't have
any shame in telling you that I'ma version. I could have had someone
in the army, but I didn'twant bumps all over my balls. I
have never been with a woman,but I haven't given any much thought to
it either. That's what my dad, he'd done to me. He drills
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all the romance right out of myhead, all the wrong man, it's
ud happiness. I got plumb nothingbut work at the Clift. But by
god, do I work hard.I work my ass off. I know
you do, Tony. Yah.I've got friends. But I tell you
what. I tell you what.Nobody talks to me like you do.
Fred. You know what I getfrom you. I get respect. I
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don't get any kind of pity.I just get respect and the kind of
respect I earned. Man, Ido respect you, Tony. You know
I think you're on track to beingmy best friend. And when all this
is over, we're going out.We're going out, and we're gonna go
for a night out on the town. I'll pay for it because I'm getting
five million dollars. And you bringyour wife too, so I can tell
her how sorry I am. AndI'll buy her a big old ring to
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make up for the anniversary you missed, because I don't want her to be
mad at you, and I knownothing makes up for lost time. Well
that sounds great, Tony. Iwant to talk about the interview. I
got some questions I want you toask me. You got a pen and
paper, pen and paper to writethem? Down because there's no way you're
going to remember all that. Yeah, I can get a pen and paper,
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all right, question more, Justyou give me a second there,
Tony. Yeah, Okay, goahead, Tony. Question one, what
would possess a man to tie ashotgun to the back of a son of
a beach's head? Uh? Whatwould possess a man to tie a shotgun
to the back of another man's head? I said, son of a bitch,
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fred son of a bitch? Right, Well, I can't say that
on the radio, Tony. Youknow, we got to think about the
optics here a bit. You wantpeople to understand you, to understand where
you're coming from, that's right.You have to remember that Dick is a
human being. Well, I haven'tseen no goddamn evidence to that now,
Tony. A lot of people intown know Dick Hall, they've worked with
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him, they've gone to church withhim. Well, then they know firsthand
how he's a rotten from the insideout. I'm just not sure everybody feels
that way about Dick. Now.This is a man with a wife and
kids, Tony. Question two,Did you hear me? Question number two?
Did you hear me? Tony?It's a man with a wife and
kids. Yeah, my fucking earswork. Fred, You don't ever have
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to patronize me. I didn't meanto. Question two, Okay, Question
two? How long can any normalman withstand being bludgeoned by the greedy tyrannical
banking system current leam place? Okay? Did you get that? Yeah?
I got it, Tony. NowI got one last question, and you
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come up with all the other ones. I know I can be a talktor,
and I'm going to do a lotof talking, but I need these
three questions asked. It's important becausethese three questions spell it all out.
Okay, Tony, all right?The question three? I'm ready, Tony.
Do you regret having killed Dick?Tony? You get that one down
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for it? Tony? Did youkill Dick? You got that down,
didn't you? Fred? I needyou to answer me now, Tony.
Is Dick alive? Yeah, he'salive. Tony. Now, now you
know there's a there's a condition here. You know we can't do this interview
if you kill him. You toldme that you wouldn't hurt him. He's
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fun right now. Do you wantto talk to him? You need to?
Do you want to talk to him? Dick say, good morning,
fred Tony. I'm here, Fredsay, good morning, Good morning,
fred Tony. Now I'm I'm tryingto help you. I'm trying to get
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you what you need. Now.Now, I'm I'm I'm not a lawyer.
I'm not your lawyer, but Ithink we all need to negotiate,
and you need to keep Dick alive. You understand, No, don't make
any demands, Fred, was thatthat was? That was Jim, my
producer. He just wants me tobe real careful about this. That wasn't
no fucking Jim. I know whatJim sounds like because you said that was
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Jim yesterday and that wasn't the samegoddamn voice, Tony. It was Jim.
I don't know what to tell you. It's Jim. You put him
on the phone right up now,Jim who wants to speak with you?
This is Jim. Jim, whatdo you do when listening in my private
conversation with Fred. We just wantto help with whatever we can. Mister
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Cursus, No, you fucking misterchriss me. You tell me right now.
Are you associated with the law enforcement? No? I am not associated
with law enforcement. I work downhere at the station. Who comes on
after Friend, I'm sorry in themorning, God damn it. Who comes
on after Fred shows over? Whocomes on after Fred show the seat?
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What I fucking said? You've breatpieces of shit? Motherfucker. Put right
on the phone right now. Okay, Okay, Fred, Fred Now Tony,
Tony, Tony, Tony, Tony, it's Fred. What the fuck?
What the fuck are you trying topull on me? Friend, Tony?
I don't understand. You're a goddamnproducer, doesn't know who works on
your fucking radio station. Tony,how do you connection? It's not great
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over here. He probably couldn't hearyou too well. Don't give me that
shit, Friend, You don't giveme that shit. You're the man I
trust, You're the man I respect. You're not freend Tony. I am
your friend. I'm your friend andI want to be your best friend.
But if we're going to if ifwe're gonna be like that, you've got
to trust me. You have totrust me. Okay. I don't know
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how to explain what happened just now, But that was my producer, Jim,
and he's just in here listening becausehe has to know what to expect
for our interview later today. Nowdo you trust me? Things like that
can't be happening, Fred, Listen, Tony, I know, Okay.
I want to be your best friendtoo. That's good. Good. Now,
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my lorder just got here, andwe're working on my immunity deal and
my deal for five million dollars.So I gotta get off the phone and
I get my money. But I'lltalk to you in a few hours,
man, and we'll do that interview. Okay, Tony, all right,
you got those questions. You can'tkill Dick, Tony. If you kill
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Dick, we won't do the interview. All right, I'll talk to you
any few hours, man. Takecare of yourself, Tony. So what
do you think Roy mt ten?Next time on American Hostage? Tony thinks
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for friends, You're gonna tell himwe'll give him something if he gives up
something, but you can trade ussomething. What does that mean for?
We're not keeping him on the air. If he shoots Dick, he might
set up the whole building. I'mgetting sick of everyone saying what we can't
do without telling me what I shoulddo. Well, as you can already
tell, we are currently on theline with mister Curtz America wants to talk
to the crazy man who could haveseen that coming. If we don't open
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American Hostage is an Amazon original andCriminal Content production. This podcast is based
on a true story of a hostagecrisis that took place in Indianapolis in nineteen
seventy seven. Listener discretion is advisedEpisode four, The Profiler. When a
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guy's neck is on the line wasa common euphemism used around newsrooms, a
casual way of saying someone's in abind. But when that guy's neck has
a dead man's line strapped around itwith a sawed off shotgun named square at
the back of his head, believeme, there's nothing casual about it,
especially when you're the only thing standingbetween his life and the man with the
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trigger. Look, I'm sorry.I couldn't make it tonight, Barb.
I can take the couch. Idon't want you on the couch because I
don't want to spend a week hearingabout your back. What if I didn't
pick up the phone? Huh?What if it wasn't me? I already
apologized, don't Barb me. Idon't know what else I can do.
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Why is it that every time wetalk nowadays, it's because you're apologizing,
Barbara. You've clearly got something youneed to say, so you should say
it. I don't want this tobe a fight. We want to tell
you that I'm happy about it,that I engineered it, that I deliberately
went back to the station to goafter a story. Did I say something?
Maybe I did, But it wasn'tbecause I wanted to ditch my beautiful
wife or spoil another anniversary. Itis because I am lost. I don't
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know what you've been saying to thatman, but I am sure that you
are the reason dick Hole is stillalive. But when you called from the
office today, I didn't even getto have the kind of reaction any normal
person would have to the news yougave me. I knew that it was
you and that you wouldn't be comingback, and I feel guilty. I
feel guilty that when you said youwere saving a man's life, that moment
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was numbed for me. You deservea better husband, Barb. How give
me some time to answer how?And I promised to answer it. Okay,
Barb, good night, good night. I love you, honey.
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Kuritzis was like a cosmic event.He was his own planetary system, and
the rest of us, the media, were just moons orbiting around him idly.
Floating by. Why did I disruptthe system? Why did I exit
the Indie five hundred speedway and veeroff the track? I was bored,
I was hungry, I was reckless. That was all those things, simple
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as that. Jus you know,Fred Cliff, how's a copy? You're
allowed to wipe your feet before youstart work? Okay, I could multitask
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what's new? We did some digging. Found an old polatic work that chritsis
one's threatened his own sister with anaxe. That right a few years ago.
That gives you a photo confidence anythingelse. Feds are coming in morning,
Sally the Feds. Yeah, Ithink Jim's got them on the phone
right now. Jim's in his officealready, he slept here. You're kidding,
No, I guess broadcasting a potentialhomicide. That's giving him the jitters
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overrel Gary came in an hour early. Bryce Height, No, no,
you can you can bet. No. No, we're not gonna Fred,
you wipe that fucking smug look offyour fucking face. We're we're putting the
ball in your court. Whatever agentPeterson says goes, all right, yes,
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sir, I'll call you back whenhe gets here. All right,
Thank you, sir. I'll justsleep. I don't you like an imprint
of my wedding ring between your eyes? The Feds are coming in. Oh
what else you know? I talkedto Chief Gallagher about an hour ago.
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He said, Tony has been upall night ranning and raving NonStop. Hell
if he doesn't come out of thiswith a hole in his head, he'll
be the new mascot for Drossell.Oh, he's gonna be irritable. Yeah,
I wonder what that'll look like.Oh, you know what a profiler
is, fred like a reporter?No, no, no, I'm talking
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about the field of criminal psychology.Then no, I don't may neither.
But we're getting one. Special AgentRoy Peterson will be here any minute.
He's gonna gobbly book his way intoour hearts and we're gonna listen everything he
says and not our heads. Yes, because he's federal and we need someone
other than the station to take responsibilityfor all this shit if it goes sideways.
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Coffee good this morning, Jim,Yeah, fuck off Especial Agent Peterson
just walked in. Yeah, yeah, we're ready for him. Peterson,
gentlemen, Yeah, come on in, Agent Peterson h Hi. I'm I'm
Jim Hilliard. This is Fred Heckman, sir, good to meet you.
Look, I'm not gonna waste timewith the usual pleasant trees. Okay,
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how much time we got before we'reon? Are you go live at noon?
Okay? Well, look I've beenwatching the footage since last night.
Hell of a man you've got here. We noticed. So look, if
it's all right with you, I'dlike to be on call for today.
Well, it's all right with me, Agent Peterson. Just call me Roy.
It's all we've got time for.Okay, Roy, I'm just worried
if FED is gonna make Tony jumpy. Look, don't worry about that.
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I'll stay quiet. He won't knowhim there. Now, I'm want to
do some light speed coaching based offmy initial profile here. All right,
we were just talking about that.What is it you do? Exactly?
The short of it is that Ianalyze criminals and make identifying assessments to their
future actions and means of operations.WHOA behold the omnipotent powers of the FBI.
(06:17):
No, not omnipotent yet, butwe'll get there. Forensic profiling is
a brand new science, but it'spicking up steam in the bureau. The
short of short of it is isthat I specialize in men like Tony kurtzs
okay, why can you tell usabout him? I can tell you that
he's manic depressive, and that's preciselywhat makes him dangerous. Oh, I
wouldn't call him depressed, He's justangry. Manic depression doesn't manifest in the
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same way as a normal depression.It produces a reaction to the depression.
Look, have you all heard thenine one one call he made yesterday morning?
No? Okay, well I've recordedoff my phone here listen to this
point. Yes, sir, yes, sir, I'm stand But you say
you've got some of them wired upa shot I've got a real deal,
twelve gay shotgun wired up to theback of his head. And anything happens
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to me, it goes off,And if he moves, it goes off.
And I got her. So there'sa hundred ways of goes off and
only one way don't and that's keepingme alive and good you understand. I
understanding. And they say no crankcall, Yes, sir, this is
not a crawd. I don't everhave much for anyone to take and these
motherfuckers find some way to take itall, and I'm mad as hell.
I swear to God, he's almostas good as that. He's never been
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closer to death than he is rightnow. So you see, Tony has
made a connection between his life andhis goals, which serves as the basis
for his depression. But his operationsrevolve around a skewed sense of justice.
So he's crazy. No, heisn't crazy. Tony is very much in
control and very sane. Manic depressivesare not inherently violent people. There are
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thousands all over the country and theyget by just fine, like you and
me. Like them, Tony understandsthe concepts of right and wrong, but
he's acting out in retaliation to traumaexperience as a child. Yeah, well,
we were told he hated talking abouthis father. So the difference between
Tony and say mass murderer is thathe operates and relies on the empathy of
others. Someone experiencing a psychological breakor someone who was a full fledged psychopath
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wouldn't be able to do that.Okay, so then he'll let their call
go. I'm not saying that hewill. I'm saying that he could.
The potential is there, but hecould kill him. Roy, we're numbers
guys here. What are the odds? Eight twenty eighty in favor of Dick's
release? Jim, I wouldn't behere if it was eighteen favor? Fred,
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your phone's ringing him? Slick Leonardcalled? Did they win? They're
playing tonight? He was wondering ifwe'd be calling back. So nobody wants
to hear about how the Pacers aregoing to get the shit kicked out of
again? So what should I tellhim? Parallog next season? Ah?
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Shit, it's locked. You areshitting me. When did you start locking
your office? I don't know.I thought i'd try something new. Come
on, friend, come on,you got the kid? Hold on,
hold on, I gotta here wego. Here we go, Okay,
here we go? All right?Roy? What am I doing? Okay?
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Right now? Do everything you canto humanize Dick Hall Okay, say
his name often. Anything you cando to make Tony feel like he's having
a conversation about people instead of anegotiation about what he wants, Okay.
Fred Heckman speaking to Christis, sir, good morning, Tony. I thought
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you get into work at seven.Yeah, yeah, I've been here.
We've been in meetings all morning.We're getting ready for the for the big
interview today. That's what I wantedto know. Yep, Yeah, we're
good to go. How's Dick doing, Tony? Are you still kicking?
How's your wife? She's doing fine. She's mad at you for missing your
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anniversary. She's a good woman.Tell me she understands the situation. Yeah,
yeah, I'm sorry about that.They brought my brother Stephen up here
last night and I was talking tohim. What you talking about with your
brother? Really just doesn't get it, Fred, He's just I know he
cares about me at all, butthat just makes it worse when the people
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who love you don't understand you.I can't think of anything worse. I
know what you mean, Tony,and I don't have a wife. I
never had a wife. I barelyever done steady, and I don't have
any shame in telling you that I'ma version. I could have had someone
in the army, but I didn'twant bumps all over my balls. I
have never been with a woman,but I haven't given any much thought to
it either. That's what my dad, he'd done to me. He drills
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all the romance right out of myhead, all the wrong man, it's
ud happiness. I got plumb nothingbut work at the Clift. But by
god, do I work hard.I work my ass off. I know
you do, Tony. Yah.I've got friends. But I tell you
what. I tell you what.Nobody talks to me like you do.
Fred. You know what I getfrom you. I get respect. I
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don't get any kind of pity.I just get respect and the kind of
respect I earned. Man, Ido respect you, Tony. You know
I think you're on track to beingmy best friend. And when all this
is over, we're going out.We're going out, and we're gonna go
for a night out on the town. I'll pay for it because I'm getting
five million dollars. And you bringyour wife too, so I can tell
her how sorry I am. AndI'll buy her a big old ring to
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make up for the anniversary you missed, because I don't want her to be
mad at you, and I knownothing makes up for lost time. Well
that sounds great, Tony. Iwant to talk about the interview. I
got some questions I want you toask me. You got a pen and
paper, pen and paper to writethem? Down because there's no way you're
going to remember all that. Yeah, I can get a pen and paper,
(12:01):
all right, question more, Justyou give me a second there,
Tony. Yeah, Okay, goahead, Tony. Question one, what
would possess a man to tie ashotgun to the back of a son of
a beach's head? Uh? Whatwould possess a man to tie a shotgun
to the back of another man's head? I said, son of a bitch,
(12:22):
fred son of a bitch? Right, Well, I can't say that
on the radio, Tony. Youknow, we got to think about the
optics here a bit. You wantpeople to understand you, to understand where
you're coming from, that's right.You have to remember that Dick is a
human being. Well, I haven'tseen no goddamn evidence to that now,
Tony. A lot of people intown know Dick Hall, they've worked with
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him, they've gone to church withhim. Well, then they know firsthand
how he's a rotten from the insideout. I'm just not sure everybody feels
that way about Dick. Now.This is a man with a wife and
kids, Tony. Question two,Did you hear me? Question number two?
Did you hear me? Tony?It's a man with a wife and
kids. Yeah, my fucking earswork. Fred, You don't ever have
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to patronize me. I didn't meanto. Question two, Okay, Question
two? How long can any normalman withstand being bludgeoned by the greedy tyrannical
banking system current leam place? Okay? Did you get that? Yeah?
I got it, Tony. NowI got one last question, and you
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come up with all the other ones. I know I can be a talktor,
and I'm going to do a lotof talking, but I need these
three questions asked. It's important becausethese three questions spell it all out.
Okay, Tony, all right?The question three? I'm ready, Tony.
Do you regret having killed Dick?Tony? You get that one down
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for it? Tony? Did youkill Dick? You got that down,
didn't you? Fred? I needyou to answer me now, Tony.
Is Dick alive? Yeah, he'salive. Tony. Now, now you
know there's a there's a condition here. You know we can't do this interview
if you kill him. You toldme that you wouldn't hurt him. He's
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fun right now. Do you wantto talk to him? You need to?
Do you want to talk to him? Dick say, good morning,
fred Tony. I'm here, Fredsay, good morning, Good morning,
fred Tony. Now I'm I'm tryingto help you. I'm trying to get
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you what you need. Now.Now, I'm I'm I'm not a lawyer.
I'm not your lawyer, but Ithink we all need to negotiate,
and you need to keep Dick alive. You understand, No, don't make
any demands, Fred, was thatthat was? That was Jim, my
producer. He just wants me tobe real careful about this. That wasn't
no fucking Jim. I know whatJim sounds like because you said that was
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Jim yesterday and that wasn't the samegoddamn voice, Tony. It was Jim.
I don't know what to tell you. It's Jim. You put him
on the phone right up now,Jim who wants to speak with you?
This is Jim. Jim, whatdo you do when listening in my private
conversation with Fred. We just wantto help with whatever we can. Mister
(15:18):
Cursus, No, you fucking misterchriss me. You tell me right now.
Are you associated with the law enforcement? No? I am not associated
with law enforcement. I work downhere at the station. Who comes on
after Friend, I'm sorry in themorning, God damn it. Who comes
on after Fred shows over? Whocomes on after Fred show the seat?
(15:39):
What I fucking said? You've breatpieces of shit? Motherfucker. Put right
on the phone right now. Okay, Okay, Fred, Fred Now Tony,
Tony, Tony, Tony, Tony, it's Fred. What the fuck?
What the fuck are you trying topull on me? Friend, Tony?
I don't understand. You're a goddamnproducer, doesn't know who works on
your fucking radio station. Tony,how do you connection? It's not great
(16:00):
over here. He probably couldn't hearyou too well. Don't give me that
shit, Friend, You don't giveme that shit. You're the man I
trust, You're the man I respect. You're not freend Tony. I am
your friend. I'm your friend andI want to be your best friend.
But if we're going to if ifwe're gonna be like that, you've got
to trust me. You have totrust me. Okay. I don't know
(16:22):
how to explain what happened just now, But that was my producer, Jim,
and he's just in here listening becausehe has to know what to expect
for our interview later today. Nowdo you trust me? Things like that
can't be happening, Fred, Listen, Tony, I know, Okay.
I want to be your best friendtoo. That's good. Good. Now,
(16:45):
my lorder just got here, andwe're working on my immunity deal and
my deal for five million dollars.So I gotta get off the phone and
I get my money. But I'lltalk to you in a few hours,
man, and we'll do that interview. Okay, Tony, all right,
you got those questions. You can'tkill Dick, Tony. If you kill
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Dick, we won't do the interview. All right, I'll talk to you
any few hours, man. Takecare of yourself, Tony. So what
do you think Roy mt ten?Next time on American Hostage? Tony thinks
(17:32):
for friends, You're gonna tell himwe'll give him something if he gives up
something, but you can trade ussomething. What does that mean for?
We're not keeping him on the air. If he shoots Dick, he might
set up the whole building. I'mgetting sick of everyone saying what we can't
do without telling me what I shoulddo. Well, as you can already
tell, we are currently on theline with mister Curtz America wants to talk
to the crazy man who could haveseen that coming. If we don't open
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the lines, does he shoot him? Yes. American Hostage is an Amazon
Original and Criminal content production written byC. D. Carpenter, directed by
Shaan Christiansen, produced by Adam Volerichand Brendan Hubbard. Executive produced by John
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Hamm, Shaan Christiansen and Gabriel Mason. Starring John Hamm, Carla Gugino,
Joe Perino, Dylan Baker, andBecky Anne Baker, with additional performances by
James O'Connor, Ryan Willard, ShawnChristiansen, Michael Dreyer. Sound designed by
(18:40):
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additional editing by Nick Missidi I dReads by Natalie Prass for Amazon Music.
Executive produce are Morgan Jones and DaveEaston. Senior producer is Eliza Mills.
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