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If you take a dive down therabbit hole that is the assassination of President
John F. Kennedy, one ofthe first things you'll notice is just how
much information there is to digest.There are over one hundred disputed issues.
Each one of those topics has itsown cast of characters. Some of those
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witnesses present important testimony that paints theaccused assassin, Lee Harvey Oswald, as
the lone gunman, while others providearguments that are either in defense of Oswald
or they are in support of therebeing additional people involved or a conspiracy.
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Out of all of these witness stories, the one that's always the most surprising
and disturbing to me is the storyof Ralph Leon Yates. This is not
a famous story, it's not onethat people bring up a lot, but
it was just so shocking to mewhen I read it that it affected me,
and it's part of the reason thatI went down this rabbit hole of
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the JFK assassination. Yates picked upa hitchhiker on the Wednesday before the assassination
on the highway near Oswald's rooming house. Now, this hitchhiker that Yates picked
up asked him for a ride towork, and on the drive there,
the hitchhiker started talking about President Kennedycoming into town soon and asking if Yates
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thought it was possible that someone couldkill Kennedy up from a tall building.
A pretty weird question to ask justa few days before the assassination. On
top of that, this hitchhiker hasa brown paper sack with him and he
tells Yates that he has curtain ridesin the sack. So Yates then drops
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this hitchhiker off at the place wherehe works and get this, it's the
Texas school Book Depository building. Laterthat day, Yates told a coworker about
the interaction that he had with thishitchhiker, and a few days later,
after the president had been killed,Yates saw Oswald on TV and believed that
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Oswald was a dead ringer for thehitchhiker that he had picked up on Wednesday.
Yeates then came forward to the authoritiesabout what he had seen, thinking
that he gave Oswald a ride twodays earlier. But it turns out that
Oswald was already working in the schoolbook Depository on that Wednesday, and he
had been there all morning. Weknow this from the time cards when he
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punched in and out, so itwasn't possible that Yates could have picked up
the real Lee Harvey Oswald. Butstill, after being given multiple light detector
tests by the FBI, Yates passedeach one, and after three interviews,
the director of the FBI, J. Edgar Hoover himself personally ordered Yates to
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be retested on the polygraph machine again. When Yates again passed the light detector
test, the FBI agent has toldhim that they didn't think he was lying,
but because Yeates believes something that couldnot be true, that he had
picked up the real Oswald, hewould need to be involuntarily committed to an
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insane asylum. So the FBI sendsthis father of five to Woodlawn Hospital for
the mentally ill, permanently ruining hislife. The story of Ralph Yates has
a lot of common elements with otherpoints of the assassination. First, there's
the argument defending the Warren report.Since it's proven by his time card that
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Oswald was in the building, weknow for sure that Yeates did not pick
up Oswald. Second, you've gotthe conspiracy intrigue. It obviously seems like
this hitchhiker, who Yeates says lookedjust like Oswald, is trying to impersonate
Oswald. He mentions all these thingsthat Oswald would have said in theory right.
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He talks about could you kill thepresident? From high up. Yates
picks him up near Oswald's rooming houseon the Highway. He's got a paperbag
that he says has curtain rods init. He then gets dropped off literally
at the Texas school book Depository.It's crazy. If Yeates just saw some
random guy, why on earth wouldj Edgar Hoover personally care about it that
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much. In the end, youeither have to be okay with the cognitive
dissonance of what happens, since thereis a lot of evidence that points to
Oswald and maybe this is just aweird anomaly, or the other path is
to wonder why there was an Oswaldlook alike in the first place and what
that could mean for the overall caseif what Yates is saying is true,
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Ralph Yeates, like so many otherdisputed areas of the JFK assassination, is
an opportunity for different people to makedifferent inferences. Now, whether you shrug
this story off, or you pointto it as evidence of a conspiracy,
is really based on your own lifeexperience and your own worldview, And in
large part the inferences that you're ableto draw are based on your answer to
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a very uncomfortable question, is iteven possible that a motivated group of people
could have perpetrated the crime of thecentury to kill the President of the United
States of America and get away withit? In Dallas, Texas, three
shots were fired at President Kennedy's motorcadein downtown Dallas. The first reports say
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that President Kennedy has been seriously woundedby this chewing the flash apparently official President
Kennedy's guy Central standard, I don'tknow dollars this morning the man of monthly
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charge Assination along mission as this isSolving JFK a podcast about the JFK assassination.
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I'm your host, Matt Crumpton,and over the next few months,
I'll be your guide to analyzing themany pieces of conflicting evidence in the JFK
assassination. What really happened was JFKkilled by Oswald alone, as the Warren
Report says, or does the evidencepoint somewhere else? Perhaps no other case
in American history has been studied andargued about more than the assassination of John
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F. Kennedy. Today, peoplethink about JFK assassination research in terms of
conspiracy theorists versus Oswald did it aloneWarren Report defenders. But if the Warren
Commission was wrong and there was someother scenario than Lee Harvey Oswald killing the
president and Officer Tippett alone, thenthat means that the crime of the century
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is currently an unsolved homicide. Whilethe Warren Commission concluded in nineteen sixty four
that Lee Harvey Oswald did act alone, most people are not aware that the
United States Congress, through the HouseSelect Committee on Assassinations, reopened the JFK
case and concluded in nineteen seventy eightthat Lee Harvey Oswald was the shooter,
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just as the Warren Report had said, but that there was also likely another
shot fired from the front by anunknown person. This means that the most
current official government story is that itis an unsolved conspiracy, and that rings
true with the view of the Americanpublic as well. In a weird way,
the JFK assassination is one of thefew topics that still brings people together
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across ideological lines. According to afive thirty eight survey, the existence of
multiple shooters in the JFK assassination isa belief held by fifty nine percent of
Democrats, sixty one percent of Republicans, and seventy percent of independence. Of
course, public opinion is not thesame thing as conclusive evidence, and there
are legions of Warren Report defenders outthere to provide counter evidence to each claim
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by Warren Report critics. People likeGerald Posner, Vincent Bugliosi, Bill O'Reilly,
and a lot of people who gohard on comment sections in John F.
Kennedy assassination Facebook groups believe that Oswaldacted alone and it's not even a
close call. The news media alsocontinues to reinforce the notion that the Warren
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Report has proven to be correct.My audacious goal is to uncover the objective
truth about the assassination of John F. Kennedy to the maximum extent possible.
And the first big question we mustanswer is was the Warren Report right that
Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone? Allright, so let's talk about the name
of this podcast. Solving JFK.I received a well deserved many backlash on
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JFK Assassination Twitter. When I droppedthe name of this podcast, I get
it. It sounds like I'm saying, hey, everybody, I've solved the
JFK assassination finally, and now wehave the definitive truth. But that's not
what I mean at all. Ichose Solving JFK for a title because I
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viewed the case as a puzzle tobe solved by anyone who's interested, not
just me, And if you're listeningto this podcast, we are all actively
looking for the corner pieces at thispoint. My objective, like many before
me, is to find the truth. Now, almost every book that I've
come across in the JFK assassination literatureis either a conspiracy book or a lone
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Gunman Warren Report defender book. Theseauthors have a position on all the disputed
issues, and they want to selltheir position to you. Now, of
course, this makes a lot ofsense. Many of these authors have spent
their whole lives reviewing the evidence,and they believe that they have the case
solved for sure, So why shouldthey waste their time establishing facts that don't
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support their theory of the case.My lack of knowledge about the JFK case
is actually an asset in a way, because I'm willing to start from square
one without a doubt. There aregenerations of JFK researchers who came before me,
and thousands of people alive today whoknow way more about the JFK assassination
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than I will ever know. Now. Where my approach is different from all
these experts is that I'm not decidingto make a case for or against conspiracy
from the outset. I'm merely analyzedand comparing the arguments of each side to
see who's most plausible on each littledisputed issue. In my opinion, I
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don't know all the answers in advance. This is a journey where I'm gonna
follow the evidence wherever it leads.The other unique thing I'm trying out is
the idea of crowdsourcing information for thepodcast. This case has so many tangents
to travel down and so many differentpaths that we can explore that there's really
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no way to get it right bymyself. That's why I'm going to be
asking what I got wrong and whatinformation I left out that's relevant each week.
You can email Solving Jfkpodcast at gmaildot Com at the end of each
episode, and before we make ourultimate conclusions at the end of the season,
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we'll do a rebuttal episode or twoto correct anything that I got wrong
or address anything that needs to beaddressed. Now, having said all of
that and the interest of total transparency, my interest in this case was stoked
by thinking that there was a conspiracybut not being able to figure it out.
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I can't just turn off the doubtsthat I have about the war On
report, but I can objectively reviewthe record and consider all of the arguments
about every issue with an open mind. So while I haven't solved the jfk
assassination, I really would like to, and I'm going to try with this
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podcast, and I hope you'll helpme. I've been interested in the jfk
assassination since the first time I heardabout it. What drew me in was
the vivid and terrifying Zappruter film showingKennedy's head explode, combined with Oswald being
shot two days later by Jack Ruby. It just didn't add up. So
it was no surprise that as astudent teacher, when given the opportunity to
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dive into an American history subject,I chose the JFK assassination. At that
time, I concluded that the WarrenReport, at a minimum had serious problems,
but there were just too many competingtheories for who did it, if
not Oswald as the loan Nut.It was overwhelming. Cuba, Russia,
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anti Castro Cubans, the mafia,the military, Lyndon Johnson, Texas Oil,
the FBI, secret Service, theCIA. That's ten theories right there.
I walked away from the several booksI had read at the time,
thinking that the assassination would never besolved. It was just too complicated,
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too many witnesses, too many experts, too many secret Service agents and Dallas
police officers to keep up with,and most of all, too many potential
bad guy conspirators. I gave upmy shallow inquiry into the JFK assassination after
that week of student teaching in thespring of two thousand and four. I
was going to law school and tryingto start a life, and I didn't
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have time to read thousands of pagesabout a true crime that may or may
not have been solved. Besides,there were professional journalists whose job it was
to find out what really happened.I was sure that eventually some intrepid reporter
would break the real story. Thenthree years later, when I was finishing
law school, I read a RollingStone story about a deathbed confession by a
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former CIA agent who was infamous forbeing one of the Watergate burglars, E
Howard Hunt. According to Hunt,the chief conspirators of the assassination were Lyndon
Johnson, at least four specific CIAofficials, and the leader of a group
of Cuban exiles. Now, thereare many people who believe that Hunt's confession
is self serving and unreliable, andwill dive deeper into examining what he said
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if our examination of the Dallas evidencedoes not point to Oswald alone. But
I was struck by the fact thatthis man Hunt, who was indisputably a
CIA agent for his entire career,was saying the assassination of JFK was a
conspiracy at the highest levels of government. Now, deathbeak confession or not,
I wondered what would motivate Hunt tosay such a thing if it was not
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true. In the final days ofhis life. What kind of person decides
to leave this world with a momentouslie. The Hunt story was very intriguing,
and my interest in the case wasonce again stoked. But I didn't
get around to following up at thetime because I was lost in the exhaustion
of studying for the bar exam.Solving JFK would have to wait. In
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twenty seventeen, when President Trump gavethe green light to release most but not
all, of the JFK records,I was back in the game. As
the new records came out, Idove in and tried to see what I
could learn, which led me downa path of reading every credible JFK assassination
book. I could find both conspiracyand loan gunment theories. Then, during
the pandemic, I had more timeto organize my research and go even deeper.
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Surely there must be a discoverable objectivetruth I could find by immersing myself
in the facts of the case andusing the skills I learned as an attorney
to help assess whether Oswald acted aloneas the Warren Commission claimed. Next time
on Solving JFK, We're going totake a look at all the government investigations
into the assassination of President Kennedy.Did the Warren Report get it right?
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Was Lee Harvey Oswald the Lone Gunman. Official President Kennedy died. Thanks for
listening. For more information about theshow, visit Solving jfkpodcast