June 24, 2024 • 30 mins
Celebrating the release of their latest smash "Heat", Tove Lo & SG Lewis joined us on America's Dance 30 for the first time, and shared how the song was born, how long ago they started working on it, and how many Vs there were before its final release. They also talk all things "Love Bites", and how it was born w the icon Nelly Furtado.
We also got to know Tove & SG better w #FinkysFirsts!
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- if music was the first thing they wanted to get into growing up
- if 'Tove Lo' and 'SG Lewis' were their first choices for artist names
- the first songs they wrote and/or produced
- the first time they performed on stage
- the first dance songs that made them fall in love w EDM
- what temp they set their A/C at when they first get home
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Hey, guys, Hi, howare you sorry? I didn't see you
guys pop in. I'm having issueswith my in ears. I've got the
wire clip to the back of myshirt and I just noticed like this wire
is just hanging out for some reason. I'm like, what the heck is
going Anyways, it's great to finallymeet you. Count the biggest dance off
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in the country. This is America'sDance thirty. Tovlo SG Lewis Welcome to
America's Dance thirty for the first time. Thank you. I can't believe that
this is the first time we areactually meeting. Congratulations on this new smash
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heat. Thank you so much.You're very happy and powered and excited.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, AndI can tell by all the social videos
that you guys are doing promoting it. You guys are doing an amazing job.
We were like, let's push ourselves, you know. And it's also
so much fun doing it together,you know, like we're obviously both solo
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artists, we do a lot ofstuff you know, on our own bed.
Doing it together with someone who's likealso really good friend, it's just
fun. Yeah. It kind oflike I think that it's harder to kind
of take yourself a bit more seriouslywhen you're so low. Yeah, when
you're together, it's like whatever,Like this is fun and so as TikTok
here. It's so funny you mentionedthat because when I was chatting with Zerb
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he kind of said the same thingwhen he was dealing with Milwaukee that it
kind of forced him to start puttinghimself out there and he wasn't used to
it beforehand. Yeah. No,it's it's a really fun like safety blanket
because it's kind of like, youknow, I think when you're by yourself,
you're worried about how you're going tobe perceived if people think you look
silly. But then it's like whenyou have a friend, it's like you
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care. I think that should goon to all of our business cards.
I don't actually care. Someone's likeyou look stupid. I'm like, yeah,
I know exactly. And also,congratulations on the new smash with Nelly
Furtado Love Bites. I mean,you guys are definitely busy. Can't wait
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to talk about how Heat was born, can't wait to talk about how Love
Bites was born. But let's getto know Tove Low and s g lewis
a little better first with Thinky's firstsounds good. So Tove, I read
that you wrote your first song whenyou were ten or eleven, right,
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Yes, that's true. Now Ilove finding out the origin story of artists.
When you were growing up, wasthere something else you wanted to get
into or was music always the firstthing you wanted to do? Yeah,
when I was little, I thinkmusic was always like the main I think
I knew I wanted to be somekind of performer from a young age.
I liked attention. I was,you know, the annoying kid, which
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is like stand up and like startssinging at the dinner table when everyone's talking.
They're like, all right, listen, perform now. But then I
think it didn't like become a realdream until like high school, when I
went to like a music high schoolthat I got into from like auditioning and
grades, you know, and onceI got in there, I kind of
realized like, oh, actually thisis a real dream of mine. So
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yeah, but I think I've alwaysI like the stage. Well, it's
incredible that it actually panned out foryou. That's so awesome, so grateful
every day. And SG you werethe same situation where you got into music
at a young age as well.But was music always the thing you first
wanted to get into or was theresomething else? So I think music was
only the only thing I ever reallylike dreamt of doing. But I think
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along the way somewhere i'd kind of, you know, convinced myself into a
more sane career route, I guess. And so at one point I was
going to go and study mechanical engineeringand to kind of take a more traditional
route, I guess. And itwasn't until my form tutor at college or
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high school for you guys or foryou guys, but pulled me in at
lunch and he basically he was theit teacher, but he was also he
played guitar, and then long storyshort, he said, if you don't
give music a try, I thinkyou're going to regret it for the rest
of your life. And so wow, So I basically like changed my application
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university. I went and I studiedsound engineering and then I got really fortunate
with the opportunities came to me.But yeah, I definitely owe a lot
to mister Cays. Have you chattedwith mister Gandy since I need to.
So the funny thing is, Iwas I wanted to wait until I had
like this moment where I could reallyI didn't want to be like thank you,
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I made it before. I wantedto be like if I won,
like an but I'm thinking about sayingout loud. I'm like, the fact
I even pay my bills for musicis exactly I've got to reach out.
I think this is the moment.I'm gonna write that down now to blow.
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I read that your godmother gave youthe nickname Tovlow when you were three.
Is that right? Yeah? Therewas there was a links at this
like animal kind of sanctuary or maybeit's just a zoo. I don't know,
but I was told it was ananimal when I was a kid.
But they had these like a bobhead like a links named or so I
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was like, and I kind ofbecame obsessed with it, and then she
just kind of started calling me that, and so then that nickname has just
stuck my whole life. But nowmy family kind of feels weird calling me
that because they're like, now it'syour artist's name, you know. Uh.
Now they just called me Tusund,which means kind of like little fuzzy
ball. Not as powerful, Ithink, but as powerful. But when
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you were trying to decide on artistnames, was tove Low always the first
choice or were there other names youwere considering. I never this was so
funny, Like I feel like I'venever been good at thinking into the future,
like thinking like what do I wantit to be? Kind of just
just because it was my nickname,it is just what I would like use.
And then when I was writing songsfor the people, I was like,
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oh, just use that. That'sgreat, you know, it's kind
of like cool and cute at thesame time. And then once I started,
you know, transitioning into like beingan artist or like putting up my
own music, I kind of justkept it. I never really thought of
it that much. And I thinkbecause I thought my artist career was going
to be kind of like my indieside project, while songwriting for others would
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be my main career. But thenwhen Habits, you know, stay High
took off so so instantly. Itwas kind of I didn't have time to
think about anything. I just wentwith it, you know, and let
me take a second. And ifI have to apologize, LL apologize.
But is it tove Loo or isit correctly pronounced? So I would say,
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the only place that like the Swedishway is is too. But it's
only in Sweden. I'm being calledanywhere in the world it's toblo just because
of how you know, most languageswould pronounce it. I guess, so
I've kind of gotten used to.I have gotten used to the like toblo
pronunciation. It kind of feels likeeven more like in my artist name.
But in Sweden they're always like,why are you correct? People? I
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was like, because I tried forsix months, I just got used to
the international way of saying it.Basically, well, this would have been
really awkward if I was saying itincorrectly. I'm glad you allow it.
Absolutely. It would be dumb ofme not to, Like very good friends,
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and I still say dumb British accentwhen I'd say too. They just
doesn't quite like but that's kind ofwhat I'm saying. Like, you know,
if I'm in France or in Spain, they're not even they're not even
trying. They're like no that' orit's like no it's it's it's tough,
like they're like this. So westayed in France, this I sayed in
Spain, so it's kind of likeI've just I've accepted it. Yeah,
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I don't. I don't mind.Actually, when you guys first met,
you didn't correct him. No,I think I even introduced myself as then
they're like, ways, don't knowhow you say. But but I think
also when you come from a nonEnglish speaking country, like you're so used
to kind of like having the Englishshafai words, that it was like you
or your name or you know,like I have a friend his name is
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is Rikad in Swedish, but itwould he just says Richard because no one
in the US. He lives heretoo, and he wouldn't say, you
know what I mean. It's it'slike you you kind of maybe you're just
like a little bit more okay withit. I don't know. Yeah,
I think we need to make moreeffort. I agree. It's a double
edged sword too, because if youstart correct people, you don't want to,
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you know, give off an impressionlike you're being rude or something by
correcting now. And also I thinkit becomes the people don't even dare to
say it because they're really nervous aboutsaying it wrong. So you know,
that's the other I noticed well SG. Lewis. It is pronounced sg.
Right, Yeah, yeah, it'sdefinitely slightly more straightforward. That's a
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take on your real name. Butwhen you were deciding on artist names,
was it always going to be S. G. Lewis or were there other
names you were first considering. SoI have a very very vanilla, boring
name. So my full name isSamuel George Lewis, which it's kind of
like three first names. And it'scool though, and thanks and so then
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I was doing some like work forsomeone at Island Records and I was like
eighteen, and I was so excitedto be, like, you know,
doing some work for a major label, even though there was I wasn't paid
for it, didn't even know whathappened to a lot of stuff. And
it was only one day that theyturned around. They were like, Okay,
we're gonna put your name on thisand like release it. And I
was like great, Like what namedo you want on it? And I
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was like Sam Lewis and they werelike no, I'm gonna fly and like
what's the middle name? I waslike George, Like how about S Lewis?
And I was like sure. Atthat point, I didn't even have
any concept of like an artist's careeror like I was just kind of making
tunes in my bedroom and and sothen it's sort of it's stuck. But
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it's funny because I remember in thebeginning my friends would kind of call me
SG to kind of like make mefeel uncomfortable, and then like and then
full circle, and it stuck somuch that now my mum will call me
SG. Sometimes you'll be like SG, how you doing. It's like it's
become almost like an iron yeah nicknamenow where it's like kind of full circle.
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But you know what's funny, LikeI feel like for as much as
you and I care, like likelive and breathe or artist careers and like
are so particular about the music andthe visuals and like everything that we do
like blood Svalenteers, and then we'rejust like, you know, my name
kind of just like any thoughts,like yeah, sure, I guess,
But between all three of us rightnow, what's wrong with the name Sam
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Lewis Like I think that's a greatartist name. I mean, I think
there's a certain insecurity when you're atI was just I was like, yes,
important person, whatever you say,Yeah, it's someone who like claims
to be like above you, whotells you something like that, and you're
just like, this is my moments, my chance. You're going to just
go like yes whatever, Yes,that's cool. There's not the sort you're
falling on. I bet you thatperson's not even at the label anymore.
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But look where you are now.You know, I always thought that my
full name could be used for like, you know, my classical side project
George Lewis, Yeah, yeah,something more high Brown, or if you
ever become a serial killer, theyalways use first and middle name, so
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you can always go there. Greatto know now, s G or Sam.
You know, you've got a lotof amazing solo stuff, but you've
also worked with some incredible artists likedo a lipa, Ray Jesse Ware,
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the amazing Toevelow sitting right next toyou. But do you remember the first
song you ever produced? Yes,yes I do, Actually I do.
God, this is a deep cut. The first song I ever produced was
we were on garage band at myhigh school. I'm like fifteen sixteen or
something, and we figured out howto use autitune and we were like messing
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around and like being stupid. Butthen the first thing that I ever made
that was kind of like actually tryingto make something was There was this UK
artist called Angel and I got pastthe stems by someone that label, and
I did a remix and I wasat university at the time, and it
randomly got played on Radio one,and then I went into union the next
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day, and there's kind of thisweird combination of people being like psyched for
me, and then other people beinglike how did that happen, and like
why did that happen to you?And like why do you wash? Yeah,
it was kind of a strange feeling. And then I was also like
really bad at the course because itwas sound engineering. It's quite technical,
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but I very quickly realized that mypassions lay in just making music and creating
music, and so I was failingthe course, and so like I think
even with the lecturers they were abit like why this kid, Like he
was the guy that's like bombing outof the course and not showing up to
the electives, And then this kindof strange, beautiful thing was happening.
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So yeah, I got really lucky. That's incredible that I was on the
first song like that. Now,Tovlow, do you remember that first song
you wrote when you were ten oreleven, I weirdly do. Actually it
was it was like it was maybeeven sung at you, which is so
awkward, but I remember it waslike I kind of also had just started
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learning English, so like I waswriting in like writing in English, and
it was like something that people thinkI'm crazy because I love you, and
it's like, but I don't thinkI'm crazy because I know how romantic you
are. Like it was like reallylike a love song at like ten or
eleven. My parents are like,what's going on? Be like do you
already have a boyfriend? This isno, let's put an end to this
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right now. Now to you haveperformed all over the world. Do you
remember your first time performing on stage? I think I remember the first time
I kind of like, oh,when people were like, wait, can
you sing? You know? Thatkind of thing was in school and I
was like in seven grade, Ithink, and like I think my music
teacher was like, you have areally special voice, like can you can
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you want to do something at thesummer concert with me? Basically, and
I kind of sang. I thinkit was wider shade of Pale Gabriel.
Yeah, yeah, And I'm likewhy this look? But I was so
nervous. I was really shaking.But I still think that it was like
because then I got ass this thingeverything after, so it obviously sounded good.
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It was all in your head.I remember my stage try was so
so bad that I couldn't sleep aweek before. Like I was like,
you know, stomach turned like really, but I don't have that anymore and
I'm really comfortable. Isn't crazy howanxiety is though, Like I still get
so nervous, like public speaking,even though I'm on the radio. I
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hate public speaking. I would saypublic speaking though I ever have to do
a speech or do like if there'slike an award show, like presenting an
award or like you know, haven'taccepted as many words as I would like,
But it's like, but when you'reup there kind of even just like
as much as I'm so comfortable likejust yapping away on stage or like singing,
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you know, like I feel reallycomfortable doing that, but like going
up to do like a speech ofsaying like having something planned to say,
I like, I find it sonerve waking. And what's even crazier is
the more you practice. Usually thatmeans the more you're gonna screw up.
Yeah, it is. I feellike too. It's like you get because
then if you get lost once,then you're like, oh yeah, wait,
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I miss the word when so annoying? Well s g. You've performed
shows and festivals all over the worldas well, But do you remember the
first performance you ever did? Yeah? I do, actually, so yeah,
It's funny because I always loved music, and I always knew that I
wanted to do something music. Butoh, actually, this is a good
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question. I've always been naturally kindof introverted. I think I've become more
extroverted through music and through kind ofbeing thrust into this position, and I'm
really grateful that has happened. Butlike, I was a very shy kid,
and I was very nervous, andso the first instrument I ever played
was the flute. So, likeI went to school one day I saw
someone playing the flute. I waslike, I want to do that,
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and so I went to this it'sit's about to get worse strapping. So
basically I was eight years old andI was performing in the school like concert.
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I was doing this like flute piece, and I was queuing up with
the other kids that you kind ofticktos on stage and I said, so,
so I really really need the toilet, and they're like, you're up
next, you can't get to andI was like, I really need the
toilet, and was like, next, so kick me on stage. I
got saying and I pissed my andthis is pulled this trickle down my leg
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and that's so mean, like yearsold. It's so funny because I remember
being eight years old, and whenyou're eight years old, you think you're
like a grown up, and likeeight years old is quite late for pissing
yourself embarrassed about it, and Iremember just being like utters and aisle because
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apparently I think I had like blackchild's on or something. I had trickled
down my leg and I'm really goingto piss on the floor, and so
they were like cleaning up and theywere kind of like when did this happen?
And I was like, oh,wholf discusting. I went and just
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cried my eyes out. And you'venever played the flute since? Right?
Were your parents mad and the teacherpushed you out? I would have been
so angry, Remember I want toI want to ask just been really sad,
but I have much better control mybound. Well that's good to hear.
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My headline shows like an hour andforty five, and then whenever I'm
whenever I have a break is whenlike I run off to change outfits and
you're just kind of like if you'redoing d sets for like six hours,
Yeah, it's like there's never amoment. Yeah. Really, when I'm
djaying and I really need the toilet, I kind of do this very strange
dance people is put, oh mygod, that is hilarious. Well,
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speaking of playing dance music, whatwas the first E d M song that
made you fall in love with dancemusic? I've Got If You want to
Again easy Porter Robinson. Actually itwasn't language because it's one of his early
ones. It was like Porter Robinsonwas the Spitfire EP, so probably like
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yes, Spitfire or something. ButI was basically like sixteen when like Porter
Robinson, Z Maddy and Scrilex weredoing the college tours. I remember these
videos going up of them and theywere like a little bit older than me.
They were you know, I thinkMadia might even be the same age,
And I was like sat there inmy parents attic watching these like kids
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that are like a couple of yearsold on me touring the world, like
playing to thousands people, and Iwas like, what am I doing?
But I really Yeah, Port Robinson'smusic was a real kind of like turning
point for me and sort of broughtme into the world of electronic music.
I would say that if you didsay Language, man, what an amazing
song. Holy yeah, crap.I think I found Porter's music before he
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dropped Language, but then like Iwas there when he dropped Language and present
as a fan, and oh mygod that that record like really did something
to me on a sort of spirituallevel. Yeah. Absolutely, And when
I found out that it was brightlights on the vocals, when she told
me, I was like, ohmy god, you sound so incredible on
I didn't even realize it. Idid not know that that's incredible. There
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you go. You're welcome. Thankyou so low what about you? I
feel like for me, I feellike I was kind of shifting. I
was later into that, like asmuch as I love and now, I
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think it took me like a whileto get there. But I was always
into obviously very like kind of electronicpop. But I kind of been like,
you know, spending a lot oftime there, but for me when
I was younger, it was morelike kind of like dar Rude and like
Alice d Jane, that kind ofsort of like you know, that's still
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into me, like some of thePope. Yeah, but I remember also
being obsessed with the Rude Stunds.It was such a great era of music.
Yeah. I don't know if you'realso familiar with Ian van Doll Castles
in the Sky, but that wasalong the same era. Yes, God,
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Well, finally, in Finky's firstin honor of your new smash,
heat, what temperature do you putyour ac out when you first get home?
I mean, it's funny because Isort of spent my time between London
and la and so I've had tokind of reconfigure my brain to understand fahrenheit
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now, and so the answers,I'm still figuring it out, like I
still wrong regularly. So somewhere betweenseventy and seventy six, it's warm,
you're saying that's warm, I'm puttingin at sixty nine. I used to
hate ace, but now I lovesleeping in the cold and also living in
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la I'm like I needed, soI put it at sixty nine. And
then I'm like sitting like a baby. So when I go to sleep,
I'm at seventy three or seventy two. I was down to my dad's recently
and they had it at seventy eightwhen they were going to sleep, I'm
like, what kind of hot?But I still like to speak without it
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a lot of time, like formy voice especially, it's not very good.
Yeah, absolutely, well let's talkabout this smash. How was he
born? With you too? Ithink it came from just like us loving
to work together on both of ouralbums and like our fans really like,
why isn't there more we need moreto dance to? Like kind of and
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we kind of, even though we'reboth doing our separate like album campaigns and
touring and like doing all that,we loved to write together. This We
kind of just kept meeting in thestudio with no like there was no like
let's make some EP. We justwanted to write more music together. And
I remember that song specifically. Youhad this like amazing track that you're kind
of a building in front of me, and I was trying to like find
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I couldn't find the right melodies.I was like, oh, I'm not
nailing it like I don't know likewhere where it's supposed to sit melodically,
and then we're like, oh,okay, let's give it one more goal,
Like let me just get on themic and improvise and let's just see
what comes out and then then ifnot, we'll move on to something else.
And then in that like it wasthree minutes and I just like I
kind of the lyrics just kind ofcame. Yeah, it was real.
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It's funny. It's so funny watchingToe of work because there is this kind
of like magic moment stream of conscienceswhere and it's it's kind of we obviously
have a really great kind of chemistryin the studio, but there's always a
moment where she just lands upon thething and like you hear it and it's
almost like fully formed as it comesout. And so it was it's crazy
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how when it arrived it was justlike, yeah, that's it, and
like and it was just from there. It took like no time at all,
as much as the initial pro sinswe were sort of testing the water
for a couple of hours. Onceshe'd found out her kit was like ten
minutes. Maybe you know, thatis so awesome. How long ago did
you guys start working on it?I mean a year ago? Yeah,
ago, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's funny because a lot of
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the music came very quickly and butthen we really kind of spent our time
dialing in the songs and really likechanging tiny little parts, and the whole
time I'm like road testing these recordsand my DJ sets, and so it
really created this this demand from thefan base, and I think along the
way, I definitely upset some ofthe base because I think that they took
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that as an indication that the musicnext week, and I was like,
no, I just made this.We're just beginning the process. I played
one of the other songs in VPat Me and my godfas he did this
Spotify Grammy party and one of myfriends was there and he's a friend of
a friend and he like came upto me at another party like a few
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weeks later and he's like, giveme the song. I was like,
I'm sorry, it's coming out soand it's like give me the song,
like, but he was chasing mearound the party like I don't get this
sound. He was like actually,man, And I was like, this
is a sign It's definitely a goodsign. Now. Something I love to
find out about songs is what thefinal V is from when you start working
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on it, all the tweaking towhen you finally put it out. Do
you guys remember what the final Vwas of Heat? I think version.
I think it says version one ten, Oh my god, eleven twelve?
Yeah, twelve? Yeah? Wait? Did you just go from one ten
to twelve? So as it's likethe one point ten Yeah? Yeah,
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I mean those are the ones thatI can of bounced and saved, but
like it was really kind of incrementalalong the way, yeah, changing and
stuff, But I think I thinklet me go, it was like way
more. Yeah, that was likethirty four more. Yeah. Yeah.
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Well, congratulations on the final versionof Heat. It is such a banger.
And congratulations on love Bites. Howwas that song born with Nelly Fritado?
Oh wow? Yeah, I meanyou are you starting? It started
with you with you? So Igot put on text and Nellie Fittado crazy
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sentence. Yeah, And so Iheard she was making a new record and
they were sort of like, youknow, talking about working together, and
so we got put on text andshe was immediately so cool and so friendly,
and she was like, send mesome beat sudden like she was like,
look, I'm listening to this someof yours. And I was like,
what was going on and who waspretending to be So she was like,
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semi beats and photo and you sendbeats all the time as a producer,
and it's you know, maybe onein like a hundred you might hear
something back on like six months downthe line. I wake up the next
day and she's like, oh,I did this thing last night, and
it's just and so there was that, and so it was really really cool
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and it was like loads are greatparts about it. And I ended up
taking parts of that and then reproducingit like six months later because I was
like, I feel like it needsto be dirtier and grittier. So I
reproduced the beat and then it didn'thave a chorus, and so I sent
it to Nelly and I sort ofwanted to I had the idea to suggest
that to write to it too badand yeah, yeah, yeah, I
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have it. But so I wantedto suggest that to Nelly, but really
crazily and so in dificitously, shebefore I had any opportunity to suggest it,
she was like, oh, Ilove the work. You do it
too, Like do you think she'dbe down to write to it? And
I was like, yeah, letme text her now and so and then
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yeah, I got the text.I was like brushing my teeth or something,
and I literally dropped my phone.It's still like cracked from that moment
because I was like what And andthen I was listening right away and it
was sounded so cool and sexy andlike she sounds so good on it.
I love the beat. So Iwas just like, let's get in the
and I was like, I thinkI have an idea. Let's get in
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this studio and just like figure itout and and then we like work together
and like wrote the other parts.And then we all all three of us
met in the studio and like wewrote some more and tweaked and finished and
it was so cool, just likeseeing her in person, hearing her sing
like the stuff we wrote together,it was just so surreal. Yeah,
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it's really cool, and she's lovelyand like she could be so much more
of a diva and like she's not. She's just so lovely and cool.
Yeah, she is such an icon. Now, had you you hadn't met
her before No, it was like, yeah, they very immediately got along,
like yeah, yeah, I thinklike both just like very down to
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earth and like fun. You know, I think it's pop stars. They
would have the right to both beyou know slightly uh yeah. Both of
them were just like, well,it's so incredible and it is such a
smash as well. Congratulations on everythinggoing on for you guys. Total SG
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Lewis, thank you so much foryour time with us on America's Dance thirty.
Thank you, thank you for havingus a great chat. America's answer
counting down the biggest dance songs inthe country from America's Dance thirty
Hey, guys, Hi, howare you sorry? I didn't see you
guys pop in. I'm having issueswith my in ears. I've got the
wire clip to the back of myshirt and I just noticed like this wire
is just hanging out for some reason. I'm like, what the heck is
going Anyways, it's great to finallymeet you. Count the biggest dance off
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in the country. This is America'sDance thirty. Tovlo SG Lewis Welcome to
America's Dance thirty for the first time. Thank you. I can't believe that
this is the first time we areactually meeting. Congratulations on this new smash
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heat. Thank you so much.You're very happy and powered and excited.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, AndI can tell by all the social videos
that you guys are doing promoting it. You guys are doing an amazing job.
We were like, let's push ourselves, you know. And it's also
so much fun doing it together,you know, like we're obviously both solo
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artists, we do a lot ofstuff you know, on our own bed.
Doing it together with someone who's likealso really good friend, it's just
fun. Yeah. It kind oflike I think that it's harder to kind
of take yourself a bit more seriouslywhen you're so low. Yeah, when
you're together, it's like whatever,Like this is fun and so as TikTok
here. It's so funny you mentionedthat because when I was chatting with Zerb
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he kind of said the same thingwhen he was dealing with Milwaukee that it
kind of forced him to start puttinghimself out there and he wasn't used to
it beforehand. Yeah. No,it's it's a really fun like safety blanket
because it's kind of like, youknow, I think when you're by yourself,
you're worried about how you're going tobe perceived if people think you look
silly. But then it's like whenyou have a friend, it's like you
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care. I think that should goon to all of our business cards.
I don't actually care. Someone's likeyou look stupid. I'm like, yeah,
I know exactly. And also,congratulations on the new smash with Nelly
Furtado Love Bites. I mean,you guys are definitely busy. Can't wait
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to talk about how Heat was born, can't wait to talk about how Love
Bites was born. But let's getto know Tove Low and s g lewis
a little better first with Thinky's firstsounds good. So Tove, I read
that you wrote your first song whenyou were ten or eleven, right,
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Yes, that's true. Now Ilove finding out the origin story of artists.
When you were growing up, wasthere something else you wanted to get
into or was music always the firstthing you wanted to do? Yeah,
when I was little, I thinkmusic was always like the main I think
I knew I wanted to be somekind of performer from a young age.
I liked attention. I was,you know, the annoying kid, which
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is like stand up and like startssinging at the dinner table when everyone's talking.
They're like, all right, listen, perform now. But then I
think it didn't like become a realdream until like high school, when I
went to like a music high schoolthat I got into from like auditioning and
grades, you know, and onceI got in there, I kind of
realized like, oh, actually thisis a real dream of mine. So
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yeah, but I think I've alwaysI like the stage. Well, it's
incredible that it actually panned out foryou. That's so awesome, so grateful
every day. And SG you werethe same situation where you got into music
at a young age as well.But was music always the thing you first
wanted to get into or was theresomething else? So I think music was
only the only thing I ever reallylike dreamt of doing. But I think
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along the way somewhere i'd kind of, you know, convinced myself into a
more sane career route, I guess. And so at one point I was
going to go and study mechanical engineeringand to kind of take a more traditional
route, I guess. And itwasn't until my form tutor at college or
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high school for you guys or foryou guys, but pulled me in at
lunch and he basically he was theit teacher, but he was also he
played guitar, and then long storyshort, he said, if you don't
give music a try, I thinkyou're going to regret it for the rest
of your life. And so wow, So I basically like changed my application
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university. I went and I studiedsound engineering and then I got really fortunate
with the opportunities came to me.But yeah, I definitely owe a lot
to mister Cays. Have you chattedwith mister Gandy since I need to.
So the funny thing is, Iwas I wanted to wait until I had
like this moment where I could reallyI didn't want to be like thank you,
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I made it before. I wantedto be like if I won,
like an but I'm thinking about sayingout loud. I'm like, the fact
I even pay my bills for musicis exactly I've got to reach out.
I think this is the moment.I'm gonna write that down now to blow.
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I read that your godmother gave youthe nickname Tovlow when you were three.
Is that right? Yeah? Therewas there was a links at this
like animal kind of sanctuary or maybeit's just a zoo. I don't know,
but I was told it was ananimal when I was a kid.
But they had these like a bobhead like a links named or so I
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was like, and I kind ofbecame obsessed with it, and then she
just kind of started calling me that, and so then that nickname has just
stuck my whole life. But nowmy family kind of feels weird calling me
that because they're like, now it'syour artist's name, you know. Uh.
Now they just called me Tusund,which means kind of like little fuzzy
ball. Not as powerful, Ithink, but as powerful. But when
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you were trying to decide on artistnames, was tove Low always the first
choice or were there other names youwere considering. I never this was so
funny, Like I feel like I'venever been good at thinking into the future,
like thinking like what do I wantit to be? Kind of just
just because it was my nickname,it is just what I would like use.
And then when I was writing songsfor the people, I was like,
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oh, just use that. That'sgreat, you know, it's kind
of like cool and cute at thesame time. And then once I started,
you know, transitioning into like beingan artist or like putting up my
own music, I kind of justkept it. I never really thought of
it that much. And I thinkbecause I thought my artist career was going
to be kind of like my indieside project, while songwriting for others would
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be my main career. But thenwhen Habits, you know, stay High
took off so so instantly. Itwas kind of I didn't have time to
think about anything. I just wentwith it, you know, and let
me take a second. And ifI have to apologize, LL apologize.
But is it tove Loo or isit correctly pronounced? So I would say,
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the only place that like the Swedishway is is too. But it's
only in Sweden. I'm being calledanywhere in the world it's toblo just because
of how you know, most languageswould pronounce it. I guess, so
I've kind of gotten used to.I have gotten used to the like toblo
pronunciation. It kind of feels likeeven more like in my artist name.
But in Sweden they're always like,why are you correct? People? I
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was like, because I tried forsix months, I just got used to
the international way of saying it.Basically, well, this would have been
really awkward if I was saying itincorrectly. I'm glad you allow it.
Absolutely. It would be dumb ofme not to, Like very good friends,
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and I still say dumb British accentwhen I'd say too. They just
doesn't quite like but that's kind ofwhat I'm saying. Like, you know,
if I'm in France or in Spain, they're not even they're not even
trying. They're like no that' orit's like no it's it's it's tough,
like they're like this. So westayed in France, this I sayed in
Spain, so it's kind of likeI've just I've accepted it. Yeah,
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I don't. I don't mind.Actually, when you guys first met,
you didn't correct him. No,I think I even introduced myself as then
they're like, ways, don't knowhow you say. But but I think
also when you come from a nonEnglish speaking country, like you're so used
to kind of like having the Englishshafai words, that it was like you
or your name or you know,like I have a friend his name is
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is Rikad in Swedish, but itwould he just says Richard because no one
in the US. He lives heretoo, and he wouldn't say, you
know what I mean. It's it'slike you you kind of maybe you're just
like a little bit more okay withit. I don't know. Yeah,
I think we need to make moreeffort. I agree. It's a double
edged sword too, because if youstart correct people, you don't want to,
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you know, give off an impressionlike you're being rude or something by
correcting now. And also I thinkit becomes the people don't even dare to
say it because they're really nervous aboutsaying it wrong. So you know,
that's the other I noticed well SG. Lewis. It is pronounced sg.
Right, Yeah, yeah, it'sdefinitely slightly more straightforward. That's a
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take on your real name. Butwhen you were deciding on artist names,
was it always going to be S. G. Lewis or were there other
names you were first considering. SoI have a very very vanilla, boring
name. So my full name isSamuel George Lewis, which it's kind of
like three first names. And it'scool though, and thanks and so then
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I was doing some like work forsomeone at Island Records and I was like
eighteen, and I was so excitedto be, like, you know,
doing some work for a major label, even though there was I wasn't paid
for it, didn't even know whathappened to a lot of stuff. And
it was only one day that theyturned around. They were like, Okay,
we're gonna put your name on thisand like release it. And I
was like great, Like what namedo you want on it? And I
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was like Sam Lewis and they werelike no, I'm gonna fly and like
what's the middle name? I waslike George, Like how about S Lewis?
And I was like sure. Atthat point, I didn't even have
any concept of like an artist's careeror like I was just kind of making
tunes in my bedroom and and sothen it's sort of it's stuck. But
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it's funny because I remember in thebeginning my friends would kind of call me
SG to kind of like make mefeel uncomfortable, and then like and then
full circle, and it stuck somuch that now my mum will call me
SG. Sometimes you'll be like SG, how you doing. It's like it's
become almost like an iron yeah nicknamenow where it's like kind of full circle.
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But you know what's funny, LikeI feel like for as much as
you and I care, like likelive and breathe or artist careers and like
are so particular about the music andthe visuals and like everything that we do
like blood Svalenteers, and then we'rejust like, you know, my name
kind of just like any thoughts,like yeah, sure, I guess,
But between all three of us rightnow, what's wrong with the name Sam
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Lewis Like I think that's a greatartist name. I mean, I think
there's a certain insecurity when you're atI was just I was like, yes,
important person, whatever you say,Yeah, it's someone who like claims
to be like above you, whotells you something like that, and you're
just like, this is my moments, my chance. You're going to just
go like yes whatever, Yes,that's cool. There's not the sort you're
falling on. I bet you thatperson's not even at the label anymore.
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But look where you are now.You know, I always thought that my
full name could be used for like, you know, my classical side project
George Lewis, Yeah, yeah,something more high Brown, or if you
ever become a serial killer, theyalways use first and middle name, so
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you can always go there. Greatto know now, s G or Sam.
You know, you've got a lotof amazing solo stuff, but you've
also worked with some incredible artists likedo a lipa, Ray Jesse Ware,
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the amazing Toevelow sitting right next toyou. But do you remember the first
song you ever produced? Yes,yes I do, Actually I do.
God, this is a deep cut. The first song I ever produced was
we were on garage band at myhigh school. I'm like fifteen sixteen or
something, and we figured out howto use autitune and we were like messing
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around and like being stupid. Butthen the first thing that I ever made
that was kind of like actually tryingto make something was There was this UK
artist called Angel and I got pastthe stems by someone that label, and
I did a remix and I wasat university at the time, and it
randomly got played on Radio one,and then I went into union the next
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day, and there's kind of thisweird combination of people being like psyched for
me, and then other people beinglike how did that happen, and like
why did that happen to you?And like why do you wash? Yeah,
it was kind of a strange feeling. And then I was also like
really bad at the course because itwas sound engineering. It's quite technical,
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but I very quickly realized that mypassions lay in just making music and creating
music, and so I was failingthe course, and so like I think
even with the lecturers they were abit like why this kid, Like he
was the guy that's like bombing outof the course and not showing up to
the electives, And then this kindof strange, beautiful thing was happening.
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So yeah, I got really lucky. That's incredible that I was on the
first song like that. Now,Tovlow, do you remember that first song
you wrote when you were ten oreleven, I weirdly do. Actually it
was it was like it was maybeeven sung at you, which is so
awkward, but I remember it waslike I kind of also had just started
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learning English, so like I waswriting in like writing in English, and
it was like something that people thinkI'm crazy because I love you, and
it's like, but I don't thinkI'm crazy because I know how romantic you
are. Like it was like reallylike a love song at like ten or
eleven. My parents are like,what's going on? Be like do you
already have a boyfriend? This isno, let's put an end to this
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right now. Now to you haveperformed all over the world. Do you
remember your first time performing on stage? I think I remember the first time
I kind of like, oh,when people were like, wait, can
you sing? You know? Thatkind of thing was in school and I
was like in seven grade, Ithink, and like I think my music
teacher was like, you have areally special voice, like can you can
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you want to do something at thesummer concert with me? Basically, and
I kind of sang. I thinkit was wider shade of Pale Gabriel.
Yeah, yeah, And I'm likewhy this look? But I was so
nervous. I was really shaking.But I still think that it was like
because then I got ass this thingeverything after, so it obviously sounded good.
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It was all in your head.I remember my stage try was so
so bad that I couldn't sleep aweek before. Like I was like,
you know, stomach turned like really, but I don't have that anymore and
I'm really comfortable. Isn't crazy howanxiety is though, Like I still get
so nervous, like public speaking,even though I'm on the radio. I
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hate public speaking. I would saypublic speaking though I ever have to do
a speech or do like if there'slike an award show, like presenting an
award or like you know, haven'taccepted as many words as I would like,
But it's like, but when you'reup there kind of even just like
as much as I'm so comfortable likejust yapping away on stage or like singing,
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you know, like I feel reallycomfortable doing that, but like going
up to do like a speech ofsaying like having something planned to say,
I like, I find it sonerve waking. And what's even crazier is
the more you practice. Usually thatmeans the more you're gonna screw up.
Yeah, it is. I feellike too. It's like you get because
then if you get lost once,then you're like, oh yeah, wait,
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I miss the word when so annoying? Well s g. You've performed
shows and festivals all over the worldas well, But do you remember the
first performance you ever did? Yeah? I do, actually, so yeah,
It's funny because I always loved music, and I always knew that I
wanted to do something music. Butoh, actually, this is a good
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question. I've always been naturally kindof introverted. I think I've become more
extroverted through music and through kind ofbeing thrust into this position, and I'm
really grateful that has happened. Butlike, I was a very shy kid,
and I was very nervous, andso the first instrument I ever played
was the flute. So, likeI went to school one day I saw
someone playing the flute. I waslike, I want to do that,
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and so I went to this it'sit's about to get worse strapping. So
basically I was eight years old andI was performing in the school like concert.
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I was doing this like flute piece, and I was queuing up with
the other kids that you kind ofticktos on stage and I said, so,
so I really really need the toilet, and they're like, you're up
next, you can't get to andI was like, I really need the
toilet, and was like, next, so kick me on stage. I
got saying and I pissed my andthis is pulled this trickle down my leg
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and that's so mean, like yearsold. It's so funny because I remember
being eight years old, and whenyou're eight years old, you think you're
like a grown up, and likeeight years old is quite late for pissing
yourself embarrassed about it, and Iremember just being like utters and aisle because
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apparently I think I had like blackchild's on or something. I had trickled
down my leg and I'm really goingto piss on the floor, and so
they were like cleaning up and theywere kind of like when did this happen?
And I was like, oh,wholf discusting. I went and just
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cried my eyes out. And you'venever played the flute since? Right?
Were your parents mad and the teacherpushed you out? I would have been
so angry, Remember I want toI want to ask just been really sad,
but I have much better control mybound. Well that's good to hear.
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My headline shows like an hour andforty five, and then whenever I'm
whenever I have a break is whenlike I run off to change outfits and
you're just kind of like if you'redoing d sets for like six hours,
Yeah, it's like there's never amoment. Yeah. Really, when I'm
djaying and I really need the toilet, I kind of do this very strange
dance people is put, oh mygod, that is hilarious. Well,
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speaking of playing dance music, whatwas the first E d M song that
made you fall in love with dancemusic? I've Got If You want to
Again easy Porter Robinson. Actually itwasn't language because it's one of his early
ones. It was like Porter Robinsonwas the Spitfire EP, so probably like
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yes, Spitfire or something. ButI was basically like sixteen when like Porter
Robinson, Z Maddy and Scrilex weredoing the college tours. I remember these
videos going up of them and theywere like a little bit older than me.
They were you know, I thinkMadia might even be the same age,
And I was like sat there inmy parents attic watching these like kids
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that are like a couple of yearsold on me touring the world, like
playing to thousands people, and Iwas like, what am I doing?
But I really Yeah, Port Robinson'smusic was a real kind of like turning
point for me and sort of broughtme into the world of electronic music.
I would say that if you didsay Language, man, what an amazing
song. Holy yeah, crap.I think I found Porter's music before he
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dropped Language, but then like Iwas there when he dropped Language and present
as a fan, and oh mygod that that record like really did something
to me on a sort of spirituallevel. Yeah. Absolutely, And when
I found out that it was brightlights on the vocals, when she told
me, I was like, ohmy god, you sound so incredible on
I didn't even realize it. Idid not know that that's incredible. There
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you go. You're welcome. Thankyou so low what about you? I
feel like for me, I feellike I was kind of shifting. I
was later into that, like asmuch as I love and now, I
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think it took me like a whileto get there. But I was always
into obviously very like kind of electronicpop. But I kind of been like,
you know, spending a lot oftime there, but for me when
I was younger, it was morelike kind of like dar Rude and like
Alice d Jane, that kind ofsort of like you know, that's still
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into me, like some of thePope. Yeah, but I remember also
being obsessed with the Rude Stunds.It was such a great era of music.
Yeah. I don't know if you'realso familiar with Ian van Doll Castles
in the Sky, but that wasalong the same era. Yes, God,
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Well, finally, in Finky's firstin honor of your new smash,
heat, what temperature do you putyour ac out when you first get home?
I mean, it's funny because Isort of spent my time between London
and la and so I've had tokind of reconfigure my brain to understand fahrenheit
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now, and so the answers,I'm still figuring it out, like I
still wrong regularly. So somewhere betweenseventy and seventy six, it's warm,
you're saying that's warm, I'm puttingin at sixty nine. I used to
hate ace, but now I lovesleeping in the cold and also living in
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la I'm like I needed, soI put it at sixty nine. And
then I'm like sitting like a baby. So when I go to sleep,
I'm at seventy three or seventy two. I was down to my dad's recently
and they had it at seventy eightwhen they were going to sleep, I'm
like, what kind of hot?But I still like to speak without it
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a lot of time, like formy voice especially, it's not very good.
Yeah, absolutely, well let's talkabout this smash. How was he
born? With you too? Ithink it came from just like us loving
to work together on both of ouralbums and like our fans really like,
why isn't there more we need moreto dance to? Like kind of and
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we kind of, even though we'reboth doing our separate like album campaigns and
touring and like doing all that,we loved to write together. This We
kind of just kept meeting in thestudio with no like there was no like
let's make some EP. We justwanted to write more music together. And
I remember that song specifically. Youhad this like amazing track that you're kind
of a building in front of me, and I was trying to like find
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I couldn't find the right melodies.I was like, oh, I'm not
nailing it like I don't know likewhere where it's supposed to sit melodically,
and then we're like, oh,okay, let's give it one more goal,
Like let me just get on themic and improvise and let's just see
what comes out and then then ifnot, we'll move on to something else.
And then in that like it wasthree minutes and I just like I
kind of the lyrics just kind ofcame. Yeah, it was real.
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It's funny. It's so funny watchingToe of work because there is this kind
of like magic moment stream of conscienceswhere and it's it's kind of we obviously
have a really great kind of chemistryin the studio, but there's always a
moment where she just lands upon thething and like you hear it and it's
almost like fully formed as it comesout. And so it was it's crazy
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how when it arrived it was justlike, yeah, that's it, and
like and it was just from there. It took like no time at all,
as much as the initial pro sinswe were sort of testing the water
for a couple of hours. Onceshe'd found out her kit was like ten
minutes. Maybe you know, thatis so awesome. How long ago did
you guys start working on it?I mean a year ago? Yeah,
ago, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's funny because a lot of
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the music came very quickly and butthen we really kind of spent our time
dialing in the songs and really likechanging tiny little parts, and the whole
time I'm like road testing these recordsand my DJ sets, and so it
really created this this demand from thefan base, and I think along the
way, I definitely upset some ofthe base because I think that they took
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that as an indication that the musicnext week, and I was like,
no, I just made this.We're just beginning the process. I played
one of the other songs in VPat Me and my godfas he did this
Spotify Grammy party and one of myfriends was there and he's a friend of
a friend and he like came upto me at another party like a few
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weeks later and he's like, giveme the song. I was like,
I'm sorry, it's coming out soand it's like give me the song,
like, but he was chasing mearound the party like I don't get this
sound. He was like actually,man, And I was like, this
is a sign It's definitely a goodsign. Now. Something I love to
find out about songs is what thefinal V is from when you start working
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on it, all the tweaking towhen you finally put it out. Do
you guys remember what the final Vwas of Heat? I think version.
I think it says version one ten, Oh my god, eleven twelve?
Yeah, twelve? Yeah? Wait? Did you just go from one ten
to twelve? So as it's likethe one point ten Yeah? Yeah,
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I mean those are the ones thatI can of bounced and saved, but
like it was really kind of incrementalalong the way, yeah, changing and
stuff, But I think I thinklet me go, it was like way
more. Yeah, that was likethirty four more. Yeah. Yeah.
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Well, congratulations on the final versionof Heat. It is such a banger.
And congratulations on love Bites. Howwas that song born with Nelly Fritado?
Oh wow? Yeah, I meanyou are you starting? It started
with you with you? So Igot put on text and Nellie Fittado crazy
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sentence. Yeah, And so Iheard she was making a new record and
they were sort of like, youknow, talking about working together, and
so we got put on text andshe was immediately so cool and so friendly,
and she was like, send mesome beat sudden like she was like,
look, I'm listening to this someof yours. And I was like,
what was going on and who waspretending to be So she was like,
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semi beats and photo and you sendbeats all the time as a producer,
and it's you know, maybe onein like a hundred you might hear
something back on like six months downthe line. I wake up the next
day and she's like, oh,I did this thing last night, and
it's just and so there was that, and so it was really really cool
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and it was like loads are greatparts about it. And I ended up
taking parts of that and then reproducingit like six months later because I was
like, I feel like it needsto be dirtier and grittier. So I
reproduced the beat and then it didn'thave a chorus, and so I sent
it to Nelly and I sort ofwanted to I had the idea to suggest
that to write to it too badand yeah, yeah, yeah, I
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have it. But so I wantedto suggest that to Nelly, but really
crazily and so in dificitously, shebefore I had any opportunity to suggest it,
she was like, oh, Ilove the work. You do it
too, Like do you think she'dbe down to write to it? And
I was like, yeah, letme text her now and so and then
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yeah, I got the text.I was like brushing my teeth or something,
and I literally dropped my phone.It's still like cracked from that moment
because I was like what And andthen I was listening right away and it
was sounded so cool and sexy andlike she sounds so good on it.
I love the beat. So Iwas just like, let's get in the
and I was like, I thinkI have an idea. Let's get in
(29:27):
this studio and just like figure itout and and then we like work together
and like wrote the other parts.And then we all all three of us
met in the studio and like wewrote some more and tweaked and finished and
it was so cool, just likeseeing her in person, hearing her sing
like the stuff we wrote together,it was just so surreal. Yeah,
(29:48):
it's really cool, and she's lovelyand like she could be so much more
of a diva and like she's not. She's just so lovely and cool.
Yeah, she is such an icon. Now, had you you hadn't met
her before No, it was like, yeah, they very immediately got along,
like yeah, yeah, I thinklike both just like very down to
(30:12):
earth and like fun. You know, I think it's pop stars. They
would have the right to both beyou know slightly uh yeah. Both of
them were just like, well,it's so incredible and it is such a
smash as well. Congratulations on everythinggoing on for you guys. Total SG
(30:36):
Lewis, thank you so much foryour time with us on America's Dance thirty.
Thank you, thank you for havingus a great chat. America's answer
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