May 20, 2024 • 15 mins
Celebrating his smash w Calvin Harris hitting #1 on the dance charts, Rag'n'Bone Man joined us on America's Dance 30 for the first time to talk all things "Lovers In A Past Life". Including how long ago he wrote the song, how it got into the hands of Calvin, and how many Vs there were of it before its release! Rory also shared how he got together w Calvin for "Giant", and why the song took so long to come out.
We also got to know Rory a lot better w #FinkysFirsts!
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Find out about:
- the first thing he wanted to be growing up
- the first artist name he almost went with instead of "Rag'n'Bone Man"
- the first song he ever wrote
- his first tattoo
- the first thing that makes his heart grow stronger
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(00:00):
Now before we even start this chat, and I'm sure you get asked this
in every chat, so I apologize. But since this is the first time
we're talking, do you want tobe called Rory or ragonbone Man? Oh?
Rory's good, all right, andI don't want to make this awkward
before we start as well, butI have been watching all of your acoustic
(00:22):
performances on the loop because your voiceis just so amazing. Oh, bless
you. Thank you so much.Matt I was telling Sean that he has
to deep dive all your acoustics,especially you walking around the observatory just singing
Lovers in a Past Life. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so amazing.
Well, Rory, Rag and boneMan, welcome to America's Dance thirty for
(00:46):
the first time. Thank you somuch for having me man dance counting down
the biggest dance songs in the country. This is America's Dance thirty. It
(01:07):
is great finally meeting you, andcongratulations on Lovers in a Past Life with
Calvin Harris not only being number oneon America's Dance thirty and the media based
chart, but also on the Billboardchart, which is incredible. Come on,
that's amazing. That's so awesome.Now, I know you've had number
(01:30):
ones before with your own music,but is this your first number one on
the US chart? A giant winnumber one on the Billboard chart, didn't
it. I don't know, man, I'm not sure. It's probably better
that way as an artist. Juststick to making the music and let the
other people worry about it. Yeah, don't worry about numbers exactly. Now.
(01:51):
I can't wait to find out howthis smash was born, especially since,
like I said, this isn't yourfirst time working with Calvin. But
before we talk about that, let'sget to know Rory a little better with
Finky's first Okay, okay, Ilove finding out the origin story of artists.
(02:14):
I don't know if this is truehashtag Wikipedia. Were you expelled in
school as a kid, Yes?For what? Uh? I think I
got a bit too handsy with somebody, So yeah, I don't do that
anymore, though, I'm lovable.Yes you are. Well. I know
(02:36):
you were mceing at a really youngage. But when you were growing up,
was music the first thing you wantedto get into or was there something
else you wanted to be? Well? I mean I always wanted to play
basketball when I was a kid whenI was when I was super young.
But then I realized I was notgood. Now, obviously I can't get
(02:57):
a good idea. But how tallare you in real life? I'm six
six, okay, so you definitelycould play basketball. Yeah, yeah,
So what made you parlay into music? You know what. I grew up
in a very musical household. Mymom and dad were both into music.
My dad always played guitar, mymom loved to sing around the house.
(03:20):
So it was a very musical household. It would be hard not to be
into music growing up, you knowthe way I did. And when was
the first moment that you realized thatyou had such an amazing voice. I
remember watching a show in the UKcalled Later with Jill's holding. It was
people playing live, you know,on this on this show, and I
(03:42):
remember hearing de'angelo and and like JillScott and Andrew Stone for the first time.
And I went out and bought thoserecords and I think I just sung
along to these records and I waslike, you know what, I don't
sound too bad, you know,And is it true? Well, I
mean I know it's true because Iheard you talking about on an interview that
you didn't even realize it until otherpeople started telling you how amazing your voice
(04:04):
is. It was the reaction thatI got from other people that made me
want to do it more. Youknow, I kind of grew up listening
to a lot of blues and jazzand so music, and we used to
go to like an open mic kindof jam night where people would get up
and play and anybody's welcome to comeand join in and stuff, and I
(04:24):
would go and at first I waskind of shy not getting up, but
when I got the courage to doit, it was people's faces were like,
roll, I did not know youcould sing like that and then and
then that gives you confidence and itmakes you feel good. So automatically I
was like, I want to dothat again. I want to do it
again, you know, absolutely,especially since they always say that we don't
(04:47):
even sound like ourselves when we viewourselves back. So absolutely. Now,
as discussed Raging Bone Man, itisn't your real name, but when you
were deciding on an artist's name,was rag and Boneman the first name you
were going to go with, orwere there other names you were considering?
Well? When I was like,when I was at MC. I I
(05:08):
basically picked my favorite X Men character, So I was going to be MC
Colossus. That was that was goingto be my first one, which which
isn't too bad. It sounds likea sort of late eighties rap name,
right, you know those Colossus andthen Rag and bone Man sounded like a
(05:30):
blues name to me, because youknow, like Howling Wolf and Sonny Boy
Williams and all them names. Ithought ragmby Man sounded like sounded kind of
like a blues name, and thenit just got it just stuck after I
started using it and then and thenyeah, people didn't forget. So I
definitely think it was a good choicegoing with that one. Now you've had
(05:53):
multiple number one albums and you've goteven more new music coming out very soon.
But do you remember the first songyou ever wrote? Wow? Technically,
technically the first song I ever wrotewas when I was at school and
they had an anti drugs campaign atmy school and you had to write a
(06:16):
rap song for it, and thatwas me and my mate Chris. We
were like thirteen years old, andyes, so that was that was technically
the first song I wrote. Doyou remember how the jingle went? I
do? I do and it soundedlike I think, I don't know what
we were listening to a time,but it sounded like Grandmaster Meny Melo or
(06:38):
something. It was like in anAmerican accent. And my ad I was
walking through the hood, Hey,and my brother came up and you gave
me your fred He said, you. Oh me min if what I had
you ball when I told her toyou, Alena got cold. Don't be
mad, don't be sad, don'ttake jokes really bad. That is epic.
(07:00):
That would totally make me not wantto do drugs. That's so awesome.
Now you are in the middle ofyour summer world tour now, which
is so incredible. But do youremember the first time you ever performed on
stage? I think, yeah,it was like the last year at school
and I performed. Interestingly enough,my producer now Mark Crewe, me and
(07:28):
him were in a band at schooltogether and we played Green Day at like
a Leaver's assembly or something. Itwas like it was three of us and
we played green Day hitching a ridefrom the album do he I think that's
incredible, and you've just brought himalong for this amazing adventure with you.
Well, he went ahead and hewas like producing records and then we just
(07:53):
somehow found each other again. We'relike, oh, you're making music too,
we should probably do that together.That is a perfect arrangement. Now,
obviously you've got a lot of ink, But do you remember your first
(08:13):
tattoo? My first tattoo is this. You can see it. There's like
a yeah, this guy here who'smeant to be like a Native American figure
but actually looks more like Jeene Simmonsfrom Kiss. What happened? I kind
of Jeene Simmons from Kiss or likeBrandon Lee from The Crow. The guy
(08:35):
that was tattooed me was not good. That sucks. So my first one
was an armband and it's a tribalarmband, and it was like when I
was fifty pounds less, and soit's like, really, thit horrible,
horrible tattoo. Yeah, I wouldshow you, but we don't need that
(08:58):
now. Finally, in all ofLovers in a Past Life going number one,
it's got the lyrics distance only evermakes the heart grow stronger. But
what's the first thing that makes Rory'sheart grow stronger? Probably my kids?
Man, Like, I spent alot of time away from home and you
know, I have two small children, six and seven, and and you
(09:20):
know when when I have been awayfor a long time and I get home
to see them, that's no.I love being on stage, but that's
the feeling, you know right there, I totally get it. I don't
have any kids, but I've gotone fir child. It's the same way
when I'm gone off work and Icome home, Oh my god, what
an amazing feeling. Well, let'stalk about this smash. How was Lovers
(09:43):
in a past life born? WithCalvin? So, like, this song
really was written as a ballad inthis studio right here, and I kind
of sat on it and sat onit and was deciding what songs to put
on the album that's coming, youknow, like on this year, and
I kept listening to it and therewas something about it. It was like,
(10:05):
it's not it hasn't reached its fullpotential as a song. And so
I kind of I got in touchwith my guy Julian at Columbia and was
like, Julia, and this needssomething else. This needs like this needs
to be like house pace, thisneeds to be like he needs to be
a dance song. I can hearit being a dance song. Who do
you think we can get to dothis? And his reply was like,
(10:28):
well, we did one with Calvinbefore and it was really good, so
maybe we should try that. Iguess that was literally his words. And
so we sent it to Calvin andCalvin was like, yes, absolutely,
because I know that he likes justgetting sent you know, a song that's
already kind of famed that you know, it doesn't really need work, it
(10:50):
just needs needs his production to turnit into you know Calvin Harris thing.
So I just gave him the songand he worked on it. We went
back in together and kind of rerecord the vocal because it was sped up
so much it sounded kind of crazyand and yeah, and that's that's all
she wrote. Man, you mentionedthat you said on it for a while.
(11:13):
How long ago did you write it? Maybe like maybe like a year
before it got made, you know, gotcha. It was just one of
you know, sometimes you just don'tknow what to do with a song when
it's not right. So it wasit was just you know, it took
it took that long for me tofigure it out. Well, something I
love to find out about songs ishow many different v's there are from when
(11:33):
you start working on it, allthe tweaking that goes on when you finally
mastered and put it out. Doyou know what the final v was of
Lovers in a Past Life? Ithink there was only like three versions,
maybe maybe one more, because therewas like a version that I just recorded
to like a voice note version,and then there was a piano version,
and then there was like his firstversion, and then and then he went
(11:58):
back and just you know, puteverything on it and it came out this
way. Well, like I mentioned, the acoustic, stripped down version is
so amazing. Yeah, we sortof came up with that. After it
came out, we were like,oh, we've got to do something a
bit more smooth, you know forthe people that are like my fans,
(12:20):
I know, are soul music fansand they want to hear something like that.
So yeah, I love it.The horns, the kind of yeah,
the electric piano and stuff. Yeah, it's a cool version, man,
So incredible. Now, how didyou get together with Calvin for Giants?
Well? Giant was kind of verymuch It's kind of similar story,
but it was the song was actuallywritten in twenty fifteen and then it didn't
(12:46):
come out until twenty eighteen, latetwenty eighteen, maybe early nineteen, I
can't remember exactly. So that song, actually, yeah, it was meant
to go on my first record,Human, my first album, but I
couldn't get the production right and itreally didn't sound great. And I knew
(13:07):
there was something special about the hookand it was in some way would make
it out there, but it justsat on my computer for like three years
and no one really knew what todo with it. And then and I
can't really take credit for it,because it was it was someone else.
(13:28):
My record label sent it to Calvinand then and then I've never met Calvin
before. And one day I justgot a message on my Twitter messages and
it was like, do you wantto hear what I've done to Giant?
And I was like, yes,I would like to get a pretty few
please. And honestly, prior tothat, I had I had no involvement
(13:52):
with like dance music other than youknow, early days. I did some
jungle and stuff and drum, butno involvement with like house music and that
style of dance music. So Iwasn't really sure. I was like,
I heard it and I played itto my tour manager Toby, and he
was like, if you don't putthis out, you are crazy. If
(14:16):
you don't put it out, you'recrazy, because I was ready to go,
Nah, I'm not sure about Iwas like, I'm not sure that
this is my lane. I don'tknow if I really want to go down
this route musically, and he waslike, yeah, if you don't put
it out, you're absolutely mental.So yeah, we put it out and
then it just became this. I'mglad. You know, I probably owe
(14:37):
Toby a couple of beers because,yeah, we put the record out and
it just became this like global smash, like it was everywhere, like far
beyond what I ever thought it woulddo, which is mad. Yeah,
because it's such an amazing song.I mean, I'm glad you'll finally put
it out. Well, congratulations onand that. Congratulations on Lovers in a
(15:01):
Past Life going number one. Congratulationson the tour and the new music you've
got coming up, Rag and BoneMan, Rory, it is so awesome
meeting you. Thank you for yourtime with us on America's Dance thirty.
Thank you so much, man,it's great to be a thank you.
America's Dance thirties counting down the biggestdance songs in the country. America's Dance thirty
Now before we even start this chat, and I'm sure you get asked this
in every chat, so I apologize. But since this is the first time
we're talking, do you want tobe called Rory or ragonbone Man? Oh?
Rory's good, all right, andI don't want to make this awkward
before we start as well, butI have been watching all of your acoustic
(00:22):
performances on the loop because your voiceis just so amazing. Oh, bless
you. Thank you so much.Matt I was telling Sean that he has
to deep dive all your acoustics,especially you walking around the observatory just singing
Lovers in a Past Life. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so amazing.
Well, Rory, Rag and boneMan, welcome to America's Dance thirty for
(00:46):
the first time. Thank you somuch for having me man dance counting down
the biggest dance songs in the country. This is America's Dance thirty. It
(01:07):
is great finally meeting you, andcongratulations on Lovers in a Past Life with
Calvin Harris not only being number oneon America's Dance thirty and the media based
chart, but also on the Billboardchart, which is incredible. Come on,
that's amazing. That's so awesome.Now, I know you've had number
(01:30):
ones before with your own music,but is this your first number one on
the US chart? A giant winnumber one on the Billboard chart, didn't
it. I don't know, man, I'm not sure. It's probably better
that way as an artist. Juststick to making the music and let the
other people worry about it. Yeah, don't worry about numbers exactly. Now.
(01:51):
I can't wait to find out howthis smash was born, especially since,
like I said, this isn't yourfirst time working with Calvin. But
before we talk about that, let'sget to know Rory a little better with
Finky's first Okay, okay, Ilove finding out the origin story of artists.
(02:14):
I don't know if this is truehashtag Wikipedia. Were you expelled in
school as a kid, Yes?For what? Uh? I think I
got a bit too handsy with somebody, So yeah, I don't do that
anymore, though, I'm lovable.Yes you are. Well. I know
(02:36):
you were mceing at a really youngage. But when you were growing up,
was music the first thing you wantedto get into or was there something
else you wanted to be? Well? I mean I always wanted to play
basketball when I was a kid whenI was when I was super young.
But then I realized I was notgood. Now, obviously I can't get
(02:57):
a good idea. But how tallare you in real life? I'm six
six, okay, so you definitelycould play basketball. Yeah, yeah,
So what made you parlay into music? You know what. I grew up
in a very musical household. Mymom and dad were both into music.
My dad always played guitar, mymom loved to sing around the house.
(03:20):
So it was a very musical household. It would be hard not to be
into music growing up, you knowthe way I did. And when was
the first moment that you realized thatyou had such an amazing voice. I
remember watching a show in the UKcalled Later with Jill's holding. It was
people playing live, you know,on this on this show, and I
(03:42):
remember hearing de'angelo and and like JillScott and Andrew Stone for the first time.
And I went out and bought thoserecords and I think I just sung
along to these records and I waslike, you know what, I don't
sound too bad, you know,And is it true? Well, I
mean I know it's true because Iheard you talking about on an interview that
you didn't even realize it until otherpeople started telling you how amazing your voice
(04:04):
is. It was the reaction thatI got from other people that made me
want to do it more. Youknow, I kind of grew up listening
to a lot of blues and jazzand so music, and we used to
go to like an open mic kindof jam night where people would get up
and play and anybody's welcome to comeand join in and stuff, and I
(04:24):
would go and at first I waskind of shy not getting up, but
when I got the courage to doit, it was people's faces were like,
roll, I did not know youcould sing like that and then and
then that gives you confidence and itmakes you feel good. So automatically I
was like, I want to dothat again. I want to do it
again, you know, absolutely,especially since they always say that we don't
(04:47):
even sound like ourselves when we viewourselves back. So absolutely. Now,
as discussed Raging Bone Man, itisn't your real name, but when you
were deciding on an artist's name,was rag and Boneman the first name you
were going to go with, orwere there other names you were considering?
Well? When I was like,when I was at MC. I I
(05:08):
basically picked my favorite X Men character, So I was going to be MC
Colossus. That was that was goingto be my first one, which which
isn't too bad. It sounds likea sort of late eighties rap name,
right, you know those Colossus andthen Rag and bone Man sounded like a
(05:30):
blues name to me, because youknow, like Howling Wolf and Sonny Boy
Williams and all them names. Ithought ragmby Man sounded like sounded kind of
like a blues name, and thenit just got it just stuck after I
started using it and then and thenyeah, people didn't forget. So I
definitely think it was a good choicegoing with that one. Now you've had
(05:53):
multiple number one albums and you've goteven more new music coming out very soon.
But do you remember the first songyou ever wrote? Wow? Technically,
technically the first song I ever wrotewas when I was at school and
they had an anti drugs campaign atmy school and you had to write a
(06:16):
rap song for it, and thatwas me and my mate Chris. We
were like thirteen years old, andyes, so that was that was technically
the first song I wrote. Doyou remember how the jingle went? I
do? I do and it soundedlike I think, I don't know what
we were listening to a time,but it sounded like Grandmaster Meny Melo or
(06:38):
something. It was like in anAmerican accent. And my ad I was
walking through the hood, Hey,and my brother came up and you gave
me your fred He said, you. Oh me min if what I had
you ball when I told her toyou, Alena got cold. Don't be
mad, don't be sad, don'ttake jokes really bad. That is epic.
(07:00):
That would totally make me not wantto do drugs. That's so awesome.
Now you are in the middle ofyour summer world tour now, which
is so incredible. But do youremember the first time you ever performed on
stage? I think, yeah,it was like the last year at school
and I performed. Interestingly enough,my producer now Mark Crewe, me and
(07:28):
him were in a band at schooltogether and we played Green Day at like
a Leaver's assembly or something. Itwas like it was three of us and
we played green Day hitching a ridefrom the album do he I think that's
incredible, and you've just brought himalong for this amazing adventure with you.
Well, he went ahead and hewas like producing records and then we just
(07:53):
somehow found each other again. We'relike, oh, you're making music too,
we should probably do that together.That is a perfect arrangement. Now,
obviously you've got a lot of ink, But do you remember your first
(08:13):
tattoo? My first tattoo is this. You can see it. There's like
a yeah, this guy here who'smeant to be like a Native American figure
but actually looks more like Jeene Simmonsfrom Kiss. What happened? I kind
of Jeene Simmons from Kiss or likeBrandon Lee from The Crow. The guy
(08:35):
that was tattooed me was not good. That sucks. So my first one
was an armband and it's a tribalarmband, and it was like when I
was fifty pounds less, and soit's like, really, thit horrible,
horrible tattoo. Yeah, I wouldshow you, but we don't need that
(08:58):
now. Finally, in all ofLovers in a Past Life going number one,
it's got the lyrics distance only evermakes the heart grow stronger. But
what's the first thing that makes Rory'sheart grow stronger? Probably my kids?
Man, Like, I spent alot of time away from home and you
know, I have two small children, six and seven, and and you
(09:20):
know when when I have been awayfor a long time and I get home
to see them, that's no.I love being on stage, but that's
the feeling, you know right there, I totally get it. I don't
have any kids, but I've gotone fir child. It's the same way
when I'm gone off work and Icome home, Oh my god, what
an amazing feeling. Well, let'stalk about this smash. How was Lovers
(09:43):
in a past life born? WithCalvin? So, like, this song
really was written as a ballad inthis studio right here, and I kind
of sat on it and sat onit and was deciding what songs to put
on the album that's coming, youknow, like on this year, and
I kept listening to it and therewas something about it. It was like,
(10:05):
it's not it hasn't reached its fullpotential as a song. And so
I kind of I got in touchwith my guy Julian at Columbia and was
like, Julia, and this needssomething else. This needs like this needs
to be like house pace, thisneeds to be like he needs to be
a dance song. I can hearit being a dance song. Who do
you think we can get to dothis? And his reply was like,
(10:28):
well, we did one with Calvinbefore and it was really good, so
maybe we should try that. Iguess that was literally his words. And
so we sent it to Calvin andCalvin was like, yes, absolutely,
because I know that he likes justgetting sent you know, a song that's
already kind of famed that you know, it doesn't really need work, it
(10:50):
just needs needs his production to turnit into you know Calvin Harris thing.
So I just gave him the songand he worked on it. We went
back in together and kind of rerecord the vocal because it was sped up
so much it sounded kind of crazyand and yeah, and that's that's all
she wrote. Man, you mentionedthat you said on it for a while.
(11:13):
How long ago did you write it? Maybe like maybe like a year
before it got made, you know, gotcha. It was just one of
you know, sometimes you just don'tknow what to do with a song when
it's not right. So it wasit was just you know, it took
it took that long for me tofigure it out. Well, something I
love to find out about songs ishow many different v's there are from when
(11:33):
you start working on it, allthe tweaking that goes on when you finally
mastered and put it out. Doyou know what the final v was of
Lovers in a Past Life? Ithink there was only like three versions,
maybe maybe one more, because therewas like a version that I just recorded
to like a voice note version,and then there was a piano version,
and then there was like his firstversion, and then and then he went
(11:58):
back and just you know, puteverything on it and it came out this
way. Well, like I mentioned, the acoustic, stripped down version is
so amazing. Yeah, we sortof came up with that. After it
came out, we were like,oh, we've got to do something a
bit more smooth, you know forthe people that are like my fans,
(12:20):
I know, are soul music fansand they want to hear something like that.
So yeah, I love it.The horns, the kind of yeah,
the electric piano and stuff. Yeah, it's a cool version, man,
So incredible. Now, how didyou get together with Calvin for Giants?
Well? Giant was kind of verymuch It's kind of similar story,
but it was the song was actuallywritten in twenty fifteen and then it didn't
(12:46):
come out until twenty eighteen, latetwenty eighteen, maybe early nineteen, I
can't remember exactly. So that song, actually, yeah, it was meant
to go on my first record,Human, my first album, but I
couldn't get the production right and itreally didn't sound great. And I knew
(13:07):
there was something special about the hookand it was in some way would make
it out there, but it justsat on my computer for like three years
and no one really knew what todo with it. And then and I
can't really take credit for it,because it was it was someone else.
(13:28):
My record label sent it to Calvinand then and then I've never met Calvin
before. And one day I justgot a message on my Twitter messages and
it was like, do you wantto hear what I've done to Giant?
And I was like, yes,I would like to get a pretty few
please. And honestly, prior tothat, I had I had no involvement
(13:52):
with like dance music other than youknow, early days. I did some
jungle and stuff and drum, butno involvement with like house music and that
style of dance music. So Iwasn't really sure. I was like,
I heard it and I played itto my tour manager Toby, and he
was like, if you don't putthis out, you are crazy. If
(14:16):
you don't put it out, you'recrazy, because I was ready to go,
Nah, I'm not sure about Iwas like, I'm not sure that
this is my lane. I don'tknow if I really want to go down
this route musically, and he waslike, yeah, if you don't put
it out, you're absolutely mental.So yeah, we put it out and
then it just became this. I'mglad. You know, I probably owe
(14:37):
Toby a couple of beers because,yeah, we put the record out and
it just became this like global smash, like it was everywhere, like far
beyond what I ever thought it woulddo, which is mad. Yeah,
because it's such an amazing song.I mean, I'm glad you'll finally put
it out. Well, congratulations onand that. Congratulations on Lovers in a
(15:01):
Past Life going number one. Congratulationson the tour and the new music you've
got coming up, Rag and BoneMan, Rory, it is so awesome
meeting you. Thank you for yourtime with us on America's Dance thirty.
Thank you so much, man,it's great to be a thank you.
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