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November 7, 2025 26 mins

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We’ve been told spiritual formation means more discipline, more doing, more effort. But what if it’s not about striving at all? What if formation is actually about slowing down, paying attention, and letting grace do the shaping?

In this conversation, Lisa continues with Toni Kim, Director of Spiritual Care for the National Association of Evangelicals. With a background in theology from Yale, Regent College, and Harvard, and nearly two decades in pastoral ministry, Toni brings uncommon depth and clarity to what spiritual formation really means. Her experience helping others navigate faith, identity, and healing gives this episode a grounded and transformative perspective.

Together, they explore how formation integrates the head, heart, and body and how the small, ordinary moments of life can become sacred spaces of growth and renewal.

You’ll learn:

  • The difference between discipleship and spiritual formation
  • How head, heart, and body all play a role in becoming whole
  • What happens when we stop trying to fix ourselves and start living integrated lives
  • Why formation is less about rules and more about relationship

This episode will challenge what you thought spiritual growth looked like and invite you into something truer, gentler, and far more transformative.

If you’re tired of trying to be “better,” maybe it’s time to learn how to be whole.

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