November 22, 2023 • 43 mins
In Episode 51, Michael and Julian talk about
1. American Rock Anthems. We talk about what makes an American Rock Anthem and talk about Born in the USA, More Than a Feeling, Living on a Prayer, Smells Like Teen Spirit, Don't Stop Believin', Sweet Home Alabama, Hotel California, and (the Canadian) Summer of 69
2. Orlando. Michael has recently come back from a big family holiday in Orlando. He talks about his time at Disney and Universal
Other Show Notes
Learn more about how America's culture developed in Julian Bishop's High, Wide, and Handsome.
Learn more about America's future in Julian's second book, Are We There Yet?
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Michael Moran (00:16):
Julia, welcome back. It seems like forever back
to Episode 51 of what should bean American Journey, Julian, but
I feel we're going to start bytalking about a European journey
and your holes. Julian, wherehave you been since we last
spoke
Julian Bishop (00:33):
since we last spoke. I spent three months in
Europe in the Middle East. So wehad roughly a month in England.
We had a month in Egypt, Jordanand Israel, which is been in the
news recently. And then we had amonth in Turin and you had a
70th birthday.
Michael Moran (00:52):
I did. I did do it. And so my trips are nowhere
near as extensive as yours. ButI think I think since the last
we met, and I've been on myCanal Barge in, in Provence.
Julian Bishop (01:05):
No, you hadn't.
How was that?
Michael Moran (01:07):
That was good.
That was good weather. Wasn'tthat kind of have to say?
Really? Yes.
Julian Bishop (01:12):
What you're saying South of France should
get good weather in the summer.
Yeah,
Michael Moran (01:15):
but we were still early in the season. So we had a
mixed weather. I'm going to sayMay June did Swiss railways was
absolutely superb. If you've notdone Swiss railways, that was
brilliant. Then Disneyworld, ifwe're going to talk about later,
I'm just back the end ofSeptember from Crete, which
again, we like Crete. Theweather wasn't as kind because
(01:39):
it's somewhat late in theseason, thoroughly enjoyable.
Summer, Julian, what would yourhighlights be?
Julian Bishop (01:45):
I enjoy Turin. I love Italy. And then just
spending a month there was youknow, was a fantastic thing to
do. I went to Berlin for a fewdays early on in the summer. I
enjoyed that as well.
Unknown (01:57):
And you Italian got me on well, not doing too badly.
I'm
Julian Bishop (02:00):
sort of mid level intermediate. Okay, so I can I
can have conversations withpeople. But if they get all
excited Italians handle. Thenthat's when I'll struggle.
Michael Moran (02:12):
You don't ask me but I'm going to tell you. I'm
going to say my highlight wasundoubtedly Swiss railways
called railways. I'll give you aquick itinerary Julian we went
started have a ball. I was gonnasay interlock and then until
outcome was quite near the end.
Julian Bishop (02:27):
Yeah, we went to interlock. And last year, we're
up in the mountains aboveInterlachen. Summer,
Michael Moran (02:32):
it's waking Italy, Toronto, on the train.
When obviously saw the matter onZoom, it was good. It was
stunning.
Julian Bishop (02:42):
It's quite expensive, isn't it? Oh, yes.
Switzerland. Yes. Everyonethinks their own place. It's
expensive. But you go toSwitzerland and you see what
expense really? Yes. But
Michael Moran (02:52):
it was a it was a lifetime trip you if you not if
you like railways, or you know,I like railways. You have to do
Swiss railways. And there's nopoint scrimping and saving you
go the very best statue can. Andcertainly the Glacier Express
was well worth it.
Julian Bishop (03:07):
You must have spent about four months editing
that episode, mustn't you?
Michael Moran (03:11):
That was a bit cool. Yeah, I it took me some
time to get Simon to do therecording. And that took time.
But then once I've got therecording, I'm afraid my
splicing skills need to berevisited. So I didn't one of
the team could do that for me.
But he has promised to show mehow he did it. So next time
actually be quicker, Julian, buthopefully you can understand,
(03:33):
given my jubilee year, I've notbeen sitting on my backside.
I've been doing a
Unknown (03:39):
lot. Well, I finished my book. Have you? Can you tell
us the title? Are we there yet?
Julian Bishop (03:45):
Are we there yet?
American Journey for thelisteners
Michael Moran (03:48):
give us an insight of where we go into on
this. Are we there yet?
Julian Bishop (03:53):
The first book, as you know, was all about the
history of America and how itsculture had developed. And this
book is really much more aboutAmerica's future, what we're
likely to see from America inthe future. And it follows our
nomadic journeys around Americaand also some of the journeys
within France and Italy as well.
So that will be out in November.
(04:18):
Okay. And I will give moredetails later and
Michael Moran (04:21):
do a get chancellor and nearly copy or
would you like me to give arecommendation, Julian? Yeah,
Julian Bishop (04:27):
I will give you an early copy. I thought we
would do a podcast just on thebook. Okay. So I'd like you to
read the book before I give youan early copy.
Michael Moran (04:34):
And just going back to the last book, where she
said, you know, it was acommentary on culture. And I
know it was a time when us wasjust coming out of COVID. But
he's also available if yourjourney from east to west,
wasn't it?
Julian Bishop (04:48):
Yes. Whereas this is much more nomadic, really
looking into last time wasreally looking at you know, here
the key cultural features ofAmerica. It's almost like the
stereo Types this one is lookingmuch more into the corners. As
you know, I I like looking atthe things which are different
in America from what peoplethink like the Amish and so
(05:10):
forth. I've looked into thethings which are American, but
there may be not the Americathat most people see.
Unknown (05:18):
Well, I look forward to the book, Julian. So that's
good.
Julian Bishop (05:21):
So this evening, what have we got?
Michael Moran (05:25):
Well, my understanding is we're going to
revisit Disney, and we're goingto talk about American rock
anthems.
Julian Bishop (05:33):
That's right, where should we start with our
American rock if anthems?
Michael Moran (05:37):
You certainly can and why why did you pick this
one then?
Julian Bishop (05:40):
Actually, I didn't you picked it did the
last episode that we recorded.
You talked about living on aprayer, and you said we should
do American rock confirms. Sothat's why we
Michael Moran (05:53):
should start with a story about labor. We're gonna
pray because as we've alreadyhinted, I had a big birthday, we
had a big birthday party. I wantto my party pieces. As always
been dancing vigorously, shallwe say, to living on a prayer
for those who don't know thesong, you know, my Bon Jovi
know, sort of, he has a wholeseries of high crescendos.
(06:14):
Sadly, my Achilles right heelwas not up to vigorous jumping
about and I've subsequentlysuffered as a result, and
indeed, still suffering to someextent, and would have on
Sunday, had a diagnosticultrasound see, well, here's the
basic problem. It's not like awalk on it, but I have suffered
Julian Bishop (06:34):
as a result, you can't dance on it. That's what
you're saying. Well, I
Michael Moran (06:37):
think maybe my best dancing days maybe over
Julian, but you can still singit. And I killed it, but I'm not
going to of course. So if livingon prayer is my favorite
American Rock Anthem, andindeed, I suppose I'm gonna
think it's my life. He's also agood one by Bon Jovi Bon Jovi
classically on good on Americanrock anthems. But what's your
(06:59):
favorite student? I'm not sureRocky is really your music? Is
it? No,
Julian Bishop (07:03):
I like rock.
Well, before we go into, youknow which songs we like, what
do you think makes an AmericanRock Anthem? What are the
features of the of the songswhich, which make it a rock? And
from what
Michael Moran (07:15):
I know, a little bit all over the place? I think
you've got to sing along to it.
Yes, so rousing chorus repeatedat least three or four times.
I'm going to say for those thatstand the test of time maybe had
an iconic video to go along withit. You're absolutely correct.
And then I suppose you feelthinking of classic American
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rockers they have to be a littlebit with it out there extreme
you know, sort of we're nottalking slow retiring types
here. So if I think of Van Halenjump so I'm that my three
categories are can you singalong to it? Did it make a good
video and 30 all the artistssomewhat outlandish you know, so
(07:59):
so obviously associated with alot of long, flamboyant dresses,
etc, etc. Okay,
Julian Bishop (08:09):
so I'm gonna add a few more gone in the lyrics
should be emotive in some way.
They've got to deal withUniversal Themes of you know,
love, rebellion or personaltriumph, it's got to be
something which connects withthe audience, the song
themselves have to be widelypopular. So they're popular
amongst not only the age groupthey were designed for, but
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young and old, in so when theydo come out at your 70th
birthday, the eight year old whohappens to be your seven year
old birthday has also heard thesong as well, they ought to also
be in for four time. Oh, well,so there's a very strict musical
set of rules which needs to beadhered to in a Rock Anthem. So
it needs to be there needs to bea crescendo you need to have the
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drums on the second and fourthbeat of the of the bar. There
has to be a long intro. At thestart of the music, you don't go
straight into the chorus. As youdo with a lot of pop songs here,
you've got to have an intro andthat intro can be quite long.
There's the sort of verse chordstructure which is
Unknown (09:14):
most of income Well,
Julian Bishop (09:17):
usually you've got three riffs which are going
on in a Classic Rock Anthem. Soyou've got the bass guitar riff,
you've got the rhythm guitarriff and you've got the the
actual lead guitar riff andoften they are playing the same
melody or b you know they'repaying in a different tone. If
you actually listen to the tothe music which I have done in
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in order to prepare for thisslot, you will quickly realize
that they have a lot in commonand this drum on the you know
drumbeat on the second andfourth base of the bar is
something which is true for allof the ones that I listened to.
Michael Moran (09:53):
So which ones do you listen to? By the way, the
artists that was strugglingremember is David Lee Roth.
Julian Bishop (10:00):
I believe Ross so I looked at Born in the USA by
Bruce Springsteen. Okay, nowthat I looked at Smells Like
Teen Spirit by Nirvana. I
Unknown (10:10):
don't know that I looked at. You don't know smells
like Nirvana. No, no, nope. Oh,that's
Julian Bishop (10:17):
a fantastic song.
More Than a Feeling by Boston.
Yeah. Which is often held to beone of the kind of the earlier.
I mean, you can go back toJohnny bigger don't Chuck Berry
but it I think more than afeeling was the first one which
was deliberately created as arock and from living on a prayer
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by Bon Jovi Hotel California bythe Eagles. Evening by so
Michael Moran (10:44):
I'm not sure though, either Dallas,
Rockhampton or Doug California?
Oh, absolutely. It's
Julian Bishop (10:48):
regarded as rock.
And indeed, it was based partlyon More Than a Feeling by
Boston. They wrote it after theyheard more than a feeling. Don't
stop believing by journey. Oh,yes. Sweet Home Alabama. And
this one's not American. Butit's Canadian. So million
Canadians Americans, aren't theyjust with a funny accent? Summer
of 69 by Bryan Adams. So thosewere the ones the eight that
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I've had on my on my musicdevice. So for the last couple
of days or so as
Michael Moran (11:19):
you did the preparation. I'm sorry, dude, I
didn't do that, I think was yourtopic. So I didn't do the same
amount of preparation. Although,what I should do is quickly
revisit my playlist for my sevenkids. Because Surprise, surprise
that a lot of my favorite rockHamptons on it.
Julian Bishop (11:37):
Yes. So let's just go into some of those,
shall we? Yes. Got one of mythesis is that there got to be
universal themes. So if you lookat those themes Born in the USA,
What's that song about Michael?
Michael Moran (11:49):
Being born in the US named Julian? Nicor, isn't
it?
Julian Bishop (11:53):
Sort of but the original title of Born in the
USA was called Vietnam. And it'sa protest song. Oh, okay. Yeah,
I'm proud. I think it's got thelyric connect gonna kill me. A
yellow man. Yeah,
Michael Moran (12:05):
not very friendly. That one. Politically
Julian Bishop (12:07):
Correct. But it is a protest song about Vietnam
or was originally calledVietnam. More Than a Feeling.
What's that song about?
Michael Moran (12:15):
Getting this is going to be a test. I have no
idea what more than other thansay more than a feelings about.
Julian Bishop (12:21):
They wrote it as a way of observing how music
allows you to connect with yourfeelings. A universal theme that
we all have. Summer of 69.
What's that about? Michael?
Michael Moran (12:32):
No, that is about baseball. No. Well, so it's it's
known that boys have summers.
That is the song isn't it forthe baseball, the baseball
Julian Bishop (12:44):
boys of summer is that's Dawn handling. Yeah. But
that's That's not. That's notBryan Adams. Summer of 69. You
don't know what that's about?
Some people think it's about theyear 1969. But it's not that
it's about his first sexualexperiences. And the 69 doesn't
refer to the year. Okay,
Michael Moran (13:04):
we'll leave that.
So leave that
Julian Bishop (13:07):
there. So these are sort of universal themes.
Don't stop believing it's aboutadversity. Smells Like Teen
Spirit is about a protest song,Hotel California. It's about the
dark side of the American dream.
living on a prayer as you know,it's a working class couple
struggling to you know,struggling to make ends meet
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you. And so there are thesethemes which strike a chord with
a large number of people, whichis important in an anthem. And
now you mentioned earlier on mycall videos. Yeah. Which I
thought was very astute. Had it?
Do you know do you remember someof the videos for these some for
the songs? Do
Michael Moran (13:49):
I remember living on a prayer video and I missed
my life video, I remember whenhe jumps in front in front of a
moving tanker.
Julian Bishop (13:59):
Okay, so living on a prayer was directed by
David Fincher, who's a bigHollywood director of space, and
many of these others have alsobeen directed by famous, famous
people. The Hotel California hasvideo directed by Ken Russell.
More Than a Feeling directed byGodley and creme the you know,
the former 10 CC is Sweet HomeAlabama, directed by Martin
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Scorsese, summer of 69 developeddirected by Steve Barron who
went on to direct Teenage MutantTurtles. So you've got a whole
bunch of, of directors who wenton to be you know, very famous
indeed in their in cinema. Manyof them have been banned by MTV.
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So Born in the USA that wasbanned by MTV, living on a
prayer was banned by MTV summerof 69. Not banned by MTV. If you
think about some of thesevideos, if you've if you've seen
some of these videos, they arevery memorable in their in their
images. that they think is oneof the reasons why they become,
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you know, very popular over timeand why they why they become
anthems.
Michael Moran (15:09):
And do you think to date, it's slightly different
than what they have to have tolda story. So for example, born in
one of the most famous video ofthe staff of the genre, with
boom time, that's I don't likeMondays, telling a story about a
mass shooting in the island by agirl who said she didn't like
Mondays. Do you think that iskey to these successes, these
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videos,
Julian Bishop (15:32):
I don't think a story is king. In fact, most of
these don't have a story, butthey they hook into things that
we all care about, in some way.
So it doesn't need to have a youknow, narrative story. And it
doesn't have to have a meaning.
a beginning, middle and end,which, which most narrative
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stories do have, but it doeshave to have some emotional
connection. So when you seeBruce Springsteen and he's got
his ripped US flag, and he'ssinging about Born in the USA
and killing yellow man, then youyou're you are connecting into
that rebellious feeling that allof us have in some degree. I
Michael Moran (16:16):
wouldn't say Bruce Springsteen fan, but I
would say it's the anthem wasmore Born to Run than Born in
the USA. Yeah, I think
Julian Bishop (16:23):
Born to Run us another amp. Yeah. And actually,
some of these people, they aredeliberately writing anthems.
Yeah. So if you take Born in theUSA, for example, took a long
time for them to get that right.
And that was also true of livingon a prayer living on a prayers
original name was Allentown.
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That was originally the unitwhich also happened to be a song
by Billy Joel. Yes, famous wordsthat were originally had a
different title and they weren'thappy with the baseline and the
drums and it took them two yearsto to get that right. But it was
very deliberately written as ananthem, they were trying to get
something which would be playedat all the sporting events that
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would be become anthemic, morethan a feeling that took five
years to to make. These are notPaul McCartney songs, which are
written in 30 minutes, and he'sgot the basis of it by the end
of the 30 minutes. These arethings which were generally most
of them were crafted over SweetHome Alabama. That was a
response to Neil Young songsouthern man. And a lot of
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thought has obviously gone intothe lyrics and the feelings
behind that of saying Hold on.
Now Leon, you're saying thatevery southern man is a
disgrace, disgrace to society?
We're not you know, we're humanbeings. And you know, we're
proud to be southern. Yeah,anthems are often I think, very
deliberate, that deliberatelywritten in order that they
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become played at every sportingevent, they take a lot of care
over all of the component parts.
And part of that, obviously, isgetting your great director into
the video shoot. Now,
Michael Moran (18:03):
one observation from your selection is that
they're mostly all of yoursongs. Are we saying that we're
not seeing too many monologuesanthems out there?
Julian Bishop (18:13):
Yes. And there's a reason for that. Oh, it's so
as I understand it, because themechanism for delivery of music
has changed. Now, most peopleget their music from Spotify or
Apple Music or, you know,whichever supplier they've got,
it said that you should have thechorus within the first four
seconds, otherwise, people willjust fast forward onto the next
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song. The format of the anthemis that you've got this sort of
this instrumental beginning andyou have the chorus, you build
out you have a crescendobuilding up louder and louder,
higher and higher, to the to theanthemic chorus later on. So I
think what you're you're havingnow issue, I'm sure there are
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still anthems being made. Butthe general thinking is you
should have your hook very earlyon because of the method of
delivery of the song. That andthe fact that I don't really
listen to modern music. So theremay well be lots of anthems but
I just don't know. So
Michael Moran (19:16):
for example, radioactive by Imagine Dragons.
Yes. Would that sort of meetthat criteria? Because that's
very much a concern to someonethat builds up to the finale,
doesn't it? It probably
Julian Bishop (19:28):
does. Yeah.
What's it about that song? Idon't know well enough to
Michael Moran (19:32):
have no idea. I just by the way, sort of bizarre
video with nothing to do withthis whatsoever.
Julian Bishop (19:39):
So basically, they become anthems when they
are played at all the stadia.
Yeah, you know, when you go tosporting events, you will hear
all the songs that I mentionedat most sporting events, the
other place you will hear themalso also with political
campaigns as the intro songs nowI went through visual
Michael Moran (19:58):
Isn't it very controversial. Oh, It is songs
without permission. So
Julian Bishop (20:03):
I give you the name of the song you tell me who
used it? Yeah. Okay. So Born inthe USA who use that? Oh,
Michael Moran (20:10):
I just want this question. If you say Donald
Trump, everyone, but I'm notgoing to abama
Julian Bishop (20:16):
Now that was used by actually, Obama is, if you
listen to Republicans, that'sthe last song he would use.
Michael Moran (20:23):
Well, I said it deliberately because he was more
than that, you
Julian Bishop (20:27):
know, that was used by Reagan in 1984. Okay,
and indeed, Bruce Springsteendid object to its use, but
Reagan to pay for the rights sohe had no ability to say no. So
yeah, so he used it native formore than a feeling who's been
you who use that one them? I'veno idea. You've got a good
chance of getting this oneright, by the way, Donald Trump,
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yet drop into 2016. Obama in2008, Romney in 2012, and Biden
in 2018. Us?
Michael Moran (20:59):
Why would they all put that song, the
Julian Bishop (21:01):
song is connecting you how you connect
your music to your feelings. Somaybe that is a fairly safe
anthem to use. Because everybodydoes listen to music as a way of
connecting to their feelings. Soit's a safe thing. But yeah,
that was used in fourconsecutive elections. This
campaign so gosh,
Michael Moran (21:23):
living on a prayer. Surely not a politician.
Geez, Surely not.
Julian Bishop (21:29):
A presidential 2020 is a second song he used as
a campaign song.
Michael Moran (21:34):
Yes. And if you listen to the lyrics on that,
I'm not sure that it lendsitself to a presidential
candidate, do you?
Julian Bishop (21:41):
He won. Maybe his use of that song was the thing
which made a difference. Yeah.
So there are your rights. SoSmells Like Teen Spirit that has
never been used as a politicalsong for obvious reasons.
Because it's all aboutrevolution, hotel, California,
which is also who's all aboutthe dark side of the American
dream and disintegration ofAmerica. That obviously isn't
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used as well. Don't stopbelieving Obama 2008. Sweet Home
Alabama who used that one. It's
Michael Moran (22:12):
got to be a student politician.
Julian Bishop (22:15):
Now sorts of Yeah, George Bush 1988. First,
George Bush, not the secondyear, and George Bush, also the
first one also use summer of 69in the same year, I mean, they
may not have written it in orderto be played at political
rallies, but the successfulanthems are used at political
rallies. What else have you gotto say about surplus about
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American anthem son, Michael?
Well,
Michael Moran (22:41):
I suppose some reason why I picked American
that actually most anthemsbecome popular are American
Julian Bishop (22:49):
they know there's loads of Queen hate their whole
back catalogue space
Michael Moran (22:55):
outside of the UK, but like European mean, we
know we make an anthem. I mean,what about
Unknown (23:01):
the final countdown?
What The Final Countdown? Is
Michael Moran (23:05):
that? Is that Swedish now know that no one
would bother to do that. What Iwas gonna say of course, he's
obviously not the
Julian Bishop (23:12):
final countdown is written. It's the group
which, which thinks that it'sEurope called Europe. Yeah,
that's a very unfair mix on.
Michael Moran (23:19):
What I was going to say is reason why I think
American anthems are so wellknown. Of course, they're also
very tied to to films. Youmentioned sort of Queen just
said inches and Z, certainfilms, you can report you can
introduce a song that was madefive or 10 years ago, and it
becomes popular because the filmwas popular. Right?
Julian Bishop (23:42):
While Sweet Home Alabama, was in Forrest Gump.
Wasn't it rich some 20 years orso after? Well, should we move
subjects then? Yeah,
Michael Moran (23:52):
well, what's the what's your final word on
American ounces? You like them?
Julian?
Julian Bishop (23:58):
Well, I like some of them. Yeah, I was gonna I was
thinking I was listening tothem. I mean, there are some of
them are already on myplaylists. So Smells Like Teen
spirits. Hotel California. Don'tstop believing Sweet Home,
Alabama, summer of 69. Those arethings I listened to quite
regularly. Some of the others.
They weren't on my playlist andI listened to those a little bit
more. But obviously you hearthem because they are played
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every time you go to a sportingevent. Yeah, so yeah, too. I
like them. I mean, I'll singalong to them when they come on
the loudspeaker. Right? That isalmost the definition of an
anthem. Even if you don'tactually like it. You'll still
sing along to it. Yeah. Youstill know where I can
Michael Moran (24:41):
buy that. I can buy that. Does it make it single
org?
Julian Bishop (24:58):
You've been through Orlando with me Call
Yeah. Tell me about thatexperience.
Michael Moran (25:03):
Well, in fact, I was going to say I said we
visited Disney. But I should saywe visit universal and Disney.
So we stayed in the hardrock andwent to Universal. And then
moved on to Disney. We stayed atthe Floridian, which, sadly was
undergoing significantrenovation. So not to that. And
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then obviously, whilst we wereon the Disney estate, we did
most of the parks,
Unknown (25:29):
and how long were you there for?
Michael Moran (25:31):
We were therefore I'm going to say four days with
universal and five days withwith Disney. As my son
described. Happy members. Wetaken the children there 20 odd
years ago. And so Tom came withus my son, and Hannah bought the
two janicoo two grandchildren,Frankie and Alfie, Frankie being
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five. Alfie being 10. So wethought that was the ideal age
to go to Florida.
Julian Bishop (26:03):
So you had a five year old a 10 year old? Yeah,
your children who were trying tostroke 30s. And and then you and
Joan, is that right?
Michael Moran (26:12):
Yes. And obviously Hannah, my daughter
was in her 30s. Her husband Bradwas with as well,
Julian Bishop (26:17):
quite a family group, different people,
different ages, differenttastes. How did that work? Did
Michael Moran (26:23):
it work? I think it went well. I mean, what I
would say it was ridiculouslyhot. It was hot and humid. And
therefore, for example,
Julian Bishop (26:32):
and when did you go July? August. So you went in
August to Florida. And you weresurprised that was hot.
Michael Moran (26:42):
No, I wasn't surprised. But I was making it
it was I was when I was thengoing to say it because it was
so hot. As a group we could sortof buy in and sort of then leave
at certain times. So that wasvery helpful. A universal
because a hard rock is just asort of 15 minute walk away. So
that ability to spend time butnot spend all the time in the
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park, my son lived off the park.
And back in the time they livedin a in a more family focused
hotel are covered with the beachclub, I think when on Disney, so
the ability to meet or when youwanted to meet up or equally go
and do things that you want todo. Well, I'm going to say
Julian, I took did take youradvice and do one thing that you
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advise me to do. Me and my sonwent to a baseball cage
Unknown (27:30):
and saw your batting cage. Yeah. How did that go? It
was good. liked it. Enjoy. Yeah.
Good.
Julian Bishop (27:37):
Good. Where you're at it?
Michael Moran (27:39):
Well, it's the balls are relatively slow. My
cricket I could I could cry. Idon't know good. Baseball shots.
I probably the spice I washitting mainly to the left of
center field. But yeah, it wasgood. I really enjoyed
Julian Bishop (27:55):
the way it when that when you put the speed up
to 60. What happened then allball
Michael Moran (27:59):
off the shot passion, sort of the thinking
behind you, and you are still inthe middle of your swing.
Julian Bishop (28:05):
Right? Yeah, I think we've talked about this
before. But if you missed it, ifyou're going to the States, a
really really good thing to do,if you've any sporting interest
at all, is to go into a battingcage and pitch yourself up
against a machine which willwish or throw the ball at will
usually 4050 or 60. Some go upto 70. And then realize actually
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this game is a lot moredifficult than it looks when
you're watching it on TV, wherethey throw 100 miles now. Yeah,
yep. So I'm glad you had a goodtime on that did
Michael Moran (28:39):
and I can say the alternative was my son's going
to a shooting range. So I didn'tknow we'll go to the batting
cage instead.
Julian Bishop (28:45):
Oh, well, when you come next we'll go to a
shooting. Well,
Michael Moran (28:51):
I'm not a great fan of shoot. But my son of
course being in the Army lovesgoing to places like Vegas. I go
to the shooting, just but no,not me. Oh, let's do it.
Julian Bishop (29:01):
For yourself out of your comfort zone. I haven't
done it for ages. But
Michael Moran (29:06):
anyway, so let's get back to universal and
Disney.
Julian Bishop (29:10):
So it's an expensive business going isn't
Oh yes. Not cheap, or cheap. Andand how much was it per day for
each of these ads?
Michael Moran (29:18):
Um, so Julia, I couldn't I mean, when we when we
bought it. We bought obviouslythe time on the park in the
hotel and the price of thetickets. So you talk I'm getting
for four or five days you'retalking three, four grand,
Unknown (29:36):
it's not a lot of money. It is yeah, yeah. It's
Michael Moran (29:40):
nuts without any meals on it. That's just
basically you're either inaccommodation or going out to
the park. So
Julian Bishop (29:47):
Disney prices have been going up 8.1% Every
year since they first opened inFlorida. So you're talking about
something which is defyinginflate addition, you know, so
at the moment is $129 per dayplus tax? Yeah, so you're
talking, you know, a significantsum. And if you think about how
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many how many rides would you doin a day? Would you say,
Michael?
Michael Moran (30:14):
Oh, I mean, given the waiting times, I'm gonna say
could be five or six or yeah, ifyou're really serious, you might
get seven or eight, you'retalking over $20
Julian Bishop (30:26):
per ride. Yeah.
So when you actually break itdown? It is. I mean, fiendishly
expensive. Yeah. One of thereasons we don't go, but did you
feel that it was worth it?
Michael Moran (30:39):
It's a difficult question now. So I'm gonna, I'm
going to say, I think for theexperience, and if you've not
seen it, you know, you're notbeen to a Disney resort or to
universal, then and sharing itwith the children? Yes, it is.
Well, I was gonna make theobservation. It is interesting
that sort of, I think universalhave made significant
investments. Although I canrecognize some of the things we
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saw 20 years ago, it they wereclearly making investment,
Disney didn't seem to havechanged at all. You know, we
went to the one of the shows,and it was exactly the same show
from 22 years ago, you know, youthink, surely things have moved
on. So it did look a littletired. Dare I say it in this
thing? I thought you know, thatit does need investment. So
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given the prices, they'recharging, it is interesting that
it does like a cinematicmessage. You could see new
hotels going up with the actualparks itself. It was almost
going back in 20 years. So wasvision, very few new rights.
Notwithstanding the Harry Potterthing.
Julian Bishop (31:39):
They cater for different groups, don't they?
Yeah, I mean, most of Disneycaters for a younger group. It
is perfect for your between,let's say two and 10. Disney
usually, yeah. really caters forthat group. Well, and for people
who are with two to 10 yearolds, if you're getting into
your teenagers, your teenagersgenerally are going to find most
(32:02):
of Disney's experience. A littlebit tame. Yeah, if not lame,
that's where I think universalhave really focused their
attention on people who are moreinterested in a thrill than than
a childlike experience. Yeah. SoI think there is a reason why
some of the Disney things thoseDisney shows, and I like the
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Disney shows, they are unchangedbecause they spoke to a seven
year old in, you know, in 1975,and they still speak to a seven
year old now. Yeah, you know,it's all still about Disney
princesses. And that is stillwhat a seven year old girl is
interested in. For not everyseven year old girl, but most
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seven year old girls. So alwaysfind it a little bit odd when I
see adults going to Disney justseems a bit odd because it is
something which I see mainly forchildren. And they make a few
concessions. They have a coupleof more exciting rides, but most
of the experiences are made forfamily. Whereas universal I
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think is a different type ofthing.
Michael Moran (33:08):
Yeah, I think a fair point. Good fireworks. So
Disney, I would say,
Julian Bishop (33:12):
yeah, they have an fantastic parades, what it
didn't like, he talked
Michael Moran (33:17):
about fantastic face that Disney would say were
the end of August, in August,that they'd already started
doing the Halloween andeffectively closing the bark
early. And you don't have to payto go back in again, for the
Halloween experience, which Ithought was a bit of a ripoff.
To be honest,
Julian Bishop (33:34):
Disney's other businesses have not been doing
well. So they bought some TVstreaming business. And some of
those businesses have been doingvery poorly. And it's really has
been the amusement parks, whichpost COVID have have still been
packing them in. Yeah. So itsshare price has done appallingly
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over the last five years.
They're probably trying to ekeout as much revenue as they can
to subsidize other areas oftheir business which are not
performing. Yeah, that would bemy guess. Yeah. Would you
recommend an Orlando holiday topeople?
Michael Moran (34:11):
Yes, I think with the caveat you just said if
you've got young children, Iwould know you mean you
commented about going in Augustand it's hot. We went in August
because you tried to work aroundschool holidays. October is a
better time to go. But then inthe UK, you probably only got
the week, whenever he wants togo and it's too expensive. So
(34:31):
yeah, yes, I would reckon Idefinitely would recommend this.
One of the things I think toexperience with your children
was if you haven't done so, andit is very different to looking
at, say Disneyland Paris, youknow, so going to Orlando,
there's a lot to see and do evenjust outside of, of the Disney
in the universal parks. I comeback to what my son said about
(34:52):
sort of family members. It's oneof the few holidays that really
stuck in his mind is memory. Ireally enjoyed. And I think most
young children do find that.
Julian Bishop (35:05):
Although I would count that to say that I think
it is perfectly acceptable foryou to take a younger child who
will not remember theexperience, the point is the
adults who go with them willremember that experience. And
they'll remember the wonder, weused to go a lot to Disney when
we had young children. Iremember going with some
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American friends. And we'd neverdone this before. But we started
to line up to get the autographsfrom these princesses. You know,
which you think it's a such asimple, whoever came up with
that ideas of genius. It's sucha simple idea, costs no money at
all, you know, other than, youknow, a costume. And yet, for
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many young girls, that is tohighlight the thing, which they
you know, they get very nervousas they're waiting for Snow
White to, you know, to greetthem and to interact with them.
Even if they don't remember itlater on in their life. It's
still a very special moment intheir young life. Hannah
Michael Moran (36:06):
and Tom had good recollection, and they'd gone, I
would say it's similar ages,maybe Don was a bit older, six
or seven, and there would be no,I think there was sort of like
six and say 13 or younger, andboth had good recollection of
various things that we didwhilst we were there. Yeah. And
(36:26):
it's not saying that previousholidays weren't good. But if
you ask them what we did when wewent to Creek, I suspect that
wouldn't, you know, wouldn'trecall at all.
Julian Bishop (36:36):
So what was your favorite park?
Michael Moran (36:40):
Well, I like universal and I did like
universal the first time so andI
Unknown (36:45):
think, well, there are two universal Santa. Yes. Well,
Michael Moran (36:48):
what was the
Julian Bishop (36:52):
well, you were the one who went there a month
or so ago?
Michael Moran (36:54):
I've no idea what they called Julian. Like why do
I remember? Islands
Julian Bishop (36:59):
of Adventure I think was one of them. And yeah,
and
Michael Moran (37:01):
that's that's the second one. So see, whatever the
first one is. The one with thefake eight, Art Deco entrance to
it when you go in.
Julian Bishop (37:10):
And your favorite ride or your favorite rides. If
you had to name your sort of
Michael Moran (37:14):
I didn't do many rides Julius so you'd asking the
wrong person? I mean,
Julian Bishop (37:19):
all your favorite piece of entertainment and their
favorite top three things.
Michael Moran (37:25):
adopted three things up, seeing the children
enjoying the experience will bemy number one thing. I like to
get caught up again, the sort ofwalking around the various
countries. You know, I thinkthat's a very interesting thing
that take on on that. Yeah. Andwhat's my we did do I think this
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show I had not seen before as IMickey's fantasy or something
like that the first line, whichI thought was really well done
from a kid's perspective,
Julian Bishop (37:59):
what Mark Are you going to give your family
Orlando vacation?
Michael Moran (38:05):
Allowed to school at a five hour day?
Julian Bishop (38:09):
Yeah, you have to score out of five.
Michael Moran (38:12):
By the way, I should say, given that the
Freudian was in the middle ofreconstruction, I would like to
give it a five but I've calledwith the five given I think if
you if you sit if you park yourhotel accommodations in the
middle of a building site,you're never going to score five
are you and the other thing I'mgoing to say the eating
experience by large was alsoremembered before difficult, you
(38:34):
know, sort of, unless you likenuggets and chips you've got
even Oh, I'm begging you got astruggle. So I'm gonna give it
to four because it's
Julian Bishop (38:41):
okay, though. So I don't was Jerome was okay.
Michael Moran (38:47):
Yeah, probably Yeah. But, but the experience
itself is, if I take away therefurbishment and the food, the
experience is definitely a fiveso to speak.
Julian Bishop (38:57):
you're recommending it to people. And
you're saying stay on site,you're saying do. You're
recommending the experience tosomebody great,
Michael Moran (39:08):
but as a family holiday, if you're a couple of
doing Florida, and you wanted togo for one day just to see the
experience. Go to the MagicKingdom? Yep, I think you can do
that. But I'm not sure you'dwant stay a week on this thing.
Now, before we go, JulianOrlando
Julian Bishop (39:26):
is only two hours from where I live. Yeah, and I
can get cheap Florida rates togo up Alana and I haven't been
um, yeah. The only time we wouldgo I think is when we have
grandchildren or if we havegrandchildren.
Michael Moran (39:39):
One final thing, Julian, that should point out,
we said we went to Florida thatJoan and I then went off to the
dances are at St. Pete's beach,and there is a link to a
previous episode Julian becausethe following week, they had to
close the hotel and evacuateddue to the I'm gonna say storm
as opposed to hurricane butclearly it was The serious
(40:01):
weather incident.
Julian Bishop (40:02):
So you just missed that hurricane then?
Michael Moran (40:05):
We did. We did just miss it. Oh, well, what was
your hurricane? It
Julian Bishop (40:09):
was a hurricane.
But it didn't. They weren't,they thought that the hurricane
was going to hit just north ofTampa. And it hit North of
Tampa, but a lot more north ofit. Yeah, so actually hit if
it's gonna hit anywhere inFlorida hit the bid of Florida
with fewest people in it. So itwas it was a very destructive
hurricane. It affected only asmall number of people living in
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that area, which of the coastshad a hit.
Michael Moran (40:35):
And it does illustrate to British visitors
going to Florida, the risk ofgoing in August, because anytime
before October, because you canget done by Okay. As you know,
well, Julian, you
Julian Bishop (40:49):
know, we've been to Disney plenty of times when
we had children. And I would saythe best time to GM is to come
in a half term week. So thatOctober half term week or you
know, the February one, thoseare the best times because those
are very low season for theFlorida parks. Of course, most
people only get a week. Soyou're in and out. It's not you
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know, you've got the jetlag bothways. That is definitely the
best time to come. If you comeat Christmas and New Year, those
are the some of the busiesttimes at the park in the summer.
It's also very busy becauseAmericans have summer vacations
as well. And there are so manyBritish people and European
people that not only is itextremely hot, but it's also
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very busy Park.
Michael Moran (41:33):
I wouldn't say it was extremely busy. I mean, we
were the last two weeks. And Ithink the American schools had
gone back. The Mexican schoolshadn't gotten it. So there were
so it was it was there waspeople there. But I wouldn't say
it was busy, but it was stilllong waits for things but a long
waits for things.
Julian Bishop (41:51):
The American states have different dates. So
I think that Georgia, forexample, which is just north of
from Orlando, the children goback on the first of August or
sometimes even the 30th of July.
So obviously they're not goingto go in August but but there
are plenty of states which goback in after Labor Day in
September. Yeah, so it justdepends where you live.
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Okay, so what do we got nexttime then?
Michael Moran (42:31):
Well, next time, Julian, we're going to do tuskys
Not doeskin and it's Tulsa. Isit?
Unknown (42:38):
Tucson. Tucson.
Michael Moran (42:41):
Arizona.
Julian Bishop (42:43):
Yes, right.
Michael Moran (42:44):
Tucson.
Unknown (42:45):
Did you pronounce it Michael doeskin
Michael Moran (42:48):
Dusan, but the good news is I can Purdue I can
pronounce Lewis and Clark thefamous explorers excellent
that's we're gonna do next timeJulian
Julian Bishop (42:59):
Well that sounds good. So it's goodbye from me.
Well
Michael Moran (43:03):
it could be goodbye from me as well by
Julian bye.
Unknown (43:29):
My god
Julia, welcome back. It seems like forever back
to Episode 51 of what should bean American Journey, Julian, but
I feel we're going to start bytalking about a European journey
and your holes. Julian, wherehave you been since we last
spoke
Julian Bishop (00:33):
since we last spoke. I spent three months in
Europe in the Middle East. So wehad roughly a month in England.
We had a month in Egypt, Jordanand Israel, which is been in the
news recently. And then we had amonth in Turin and you had a
70th birthday.
Michael Moran (00:52):
I did. I did do it. And so my trips are nowhere
near as extensive as yours. ButI think I think since the last
we met, and I've been on myCanal Barge in, in Provence.
Julian Bishop (01:05):
No, you hadn't.
How was that?
Michael Moran (01:07):
That was good.
That was good weather. Wasn'tthat kind of have to say?
Really? Yes.
Julian Bishop (01:12):
What you're saying South of France should
get good weather in the summer.
Yeah,
Michael Moran (01:15):
but we were still early in the season. So we had a
mixed weather. I'm going to sayMay June did Swiss railways was
absolutely superb. If you've notdone Swiss railways, that was
brilliant. Then Disneyworld, ifwe're going to talk about later,
I'm just back the end ofSeptember from Crete, which
again, we like Crete. Theweather wasn't as kind because
(01:39):
it's somewhat late in theseason, thoroughly enjoyable.
Summer, Julian, what would yourhighlights be?
Julian Bishop (01:45):
I enjoy Turin. I love Italy. And then just
spending a month there was youknow, was a fantastic thing to
do. I went to Berlin for a fewdays early on in the summer. I
enjoyed that as well.
Unknown (01:57):
And you Italian got me on well, not doing too badly.
I'm
Julian Bishop (02:00):
sort of mid level intermediate. Okay, so I can I
can have conversations withpeople. But if they get all
excited Italians handle. Thenthat's when I'll struggle.
Michael Moran (02:12):
You don't ask me but I'm going to tell you. I'm
going to say my highlight wasundoubtedly Swiss railways
called railways. I'll give you aquick itinerary Julian we went
started have a ball. I was gonnasay interlock and then until
outcome was quite near the end.
Julian Bishop (02:27):
Yeah, we went to interlock. And last year, we're
up in the mountains aboveInterlachen. Summer,
Michael Moran (02:32):
it's waking Italy, Toronto, on the train.
When obviously saw the matter onZoom, it was good. It was
stunning.
Julian Bishop (02:42):
It's quite expensive, isn't it? Oh, yes.
Switzerland. Yes. Everyonethinks their own place. It's
expensive. But you go toSwitzerland and you see what
expense really? Yes. But
Michael Moran (02:52):
it was a it was a lifetime trip you if you not if
you like railways, or you know,I like railways. You have to do
Swiss railways. And there's nopoint scrimping and saving you
go the very best statue can. Andcertainly the Glacier Express
was well worth it.
Julian Bishop (03:07):
You must have spent about four months editing
that episode, mustn't you?
Michael Moran (03:11):
That was a bit cool. Yeah, I it took me some
time to get Simon to do therecording. And that took time.
But then once I've got therecording, I'm afraid my
splicing skills need to berevisited. So I didn't one of
the team could do that for me.
But he has promised to show mehow he did it. So next time
actually be quicker, Julian, buthopefully you can understand,
(03:33):
given my jubilee year, I've notbeen sitting on my backside.
I've been doing a
Unknown (03:39):
lot. Well, I finished my book. Have you? Can you tell
us the title? Are we there yet?
Julian Bishop (03:45):
Are we there yet?
American Journey for thelisteners
Michael Moran (03:48):
give us an insight of where we go into on
this. Are we there yet?
Julian Bishop (03:53):
The first book, as you know, was all about the
history of America and how itsculture had developed. And this
book is really much more aboutAmerica's future, what we're
likely to see from America inthe future. And it follows our
nomadic journeys around Americaand also some of the journeys
within France and Italy as well.
So that will be out in November.
(04:18):
Okay. And I will give moredetails later and
Michael Moran (04:21):
do a get chancellor and nearly copy or
would you like me to give arecommendation, Julian? Yeah,
Julian Bishop (04:27):
I will give you an early copy. I thought we
would do a podcast just on thebook. Okay. So I'd like you to
read the book before I give youan early copy.
Michael Moran (04:34):
And just going back to the last book, where she
said, you know, it was acommentary on culture. And I
know it was a time when us wasjust coming out of COVID. But
he's also available if yourjourney from east to west,
wasn't it?
Julian Bishop (04:48):
Yes. Whereas this is much more nomadic, really
looking into last time wasreally looking at you know, here
the key cultural features ofAmerica. It's almost like the
stereo Types this one is lookingmuch more into the corners. As
you know, I I like looking atthe things which are different
in America from what peoplethink like the Amish and so
(05:10):
forth. I've looked into thethings which are American, but
there may be not the Americathat most people see.
Unknown (05:18):
Well, I look forward to the book, Julian. So that's
good.
Julian Bishop (05:21):
So this evening, what have we got?
Michael Moran (05:25):
Well, my understanding is we're going to
revisit Disney, and we're goingto talk about American rock
anthems.
Julian Bishop (05:33):
That's right, where should we start with our
American rock if anthems?
Michael Moran (05:37):
You certainly can and why why did you pick this
one then?
Julian Bishop (05:40):
Actually, I didn't you picked it did the
last episode that we recorded.
You talked about living on aprayer, and you said we should
do American rock confirms. Sothat's why we
Michael Moran (05:53):
should start with a story about labor. We're gonna
pray because as we've alreadyhinted, I had a big birthday, we
had a big birthday party. I wantto my party pieces. As always
been dancing vigorously, shallwe say, to living on a prayer
for those who don't know thesong, you know, my Bon Jovi
know, sort of, he has a wholeseries of high crescendos.
(06:14):
Sadly, my Achilles right heelwas not up to vigorous jumping
about and I've subsequentlysuffered as a result, and
indeed, still suffering to someextent, and would have on
Sunday, had a diagnosticultrasound see, well, here's the
basic problem. It's not like awalk on it, but I have suffered
Julian Bishop (06:34):
as a result, you can't dance on it. That's what
you're saying. Well, I
Michael Moran (06:37):
think maybe my best dancing days maybe over
Julian, but you can still singit. And I killed it, but I'm not
going to of course. So if livingon prayer is my favorite
American Rock Anthem, andindeed, I suppose I'm gonna
think it's my life. He's also agood one by Bon Jovi Bon Jovi
classically on good on Americanrock anthems. But what's your
(06:59):
favorite student? I'm not sureRocky is really your music? Is
it? No,
Julian Bishop (07:03):
I like rock.
Well, before we go into, youknow which songs we like, what
do you think makes an AmericanRock Anthem? What are the
features of the of the songswhich, which make it a rock? And
from what
Michael Moran (07:15):
I know, a little bit all over the place? I think
you've got to sing along to it.
Yes, so rousing chorus repeatedat least three or four times.
I'm going to say for those thatstand the test of time maybe had
an iconic video to go along withit. You're absolutely correct.
And then I suppose you feelthinking of classic American
(07:37):
rockers they have to be a littlebit with it out there extreme
you know, sort of we're nottalking slow retiring types
here. So if I think of Van Halenjump so I'm that my three
categories are can you singalong to it? Did it make a good
video and 30 all the artistssomewhat outlandish you know, so
(07:59):
so obviously associated with alot of long, flamboyant dresses,
etc, etc. Okay,
Julian Bishop (08:09):
so I'm gonna add a few more gone in the lyrics
should be emotive in some way.
They've got to deal withUniversal Themes of you know,
love, rebellion or personaltriumph, it's got to be
something which connects withthe audience, the song
themselves have to be widelypopular. So they're popular
amongst not only the age groupthey were designed for, but
(08:30):
young and old, in so when theydo come out at your 70th
birthday, the eight year old whohappens to be your seven year
old birthday has also heard thesong as well, they ought to also
be in for four time. Oh, well,so there's a very strict musical
set of rules which needs to beadhered to in a Rock Anthem. So
it needs to be there needs to bea crescendo you need to have the
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drums on the second and fourthbeat of the of the bar. There
has to be a long intro. At thestart of the music, you don't go
straight into the chorus. As youdo with a lot of pop songs here,
you've got to have an intro andthat intro can be quite long.
There's the sort of verse chordstructure which is
Unknown (09:14):
most of income Well,
Julian Bishop (09:17):
usually you've got three riffs which are going
on in a Classic Rock Anthem. Soyou've got the bass guitar riff,
you've got the rhythm guitarriff and you've got the the
actual lead guitar riff andoften they are playing the same
melody or b you know they'repaying in a different tone. If
you actually listen to the tothe music which I have done in
(09:38):
in order to prepare for thisslot, you will quickly realize
that they have a lot in commonand this drum on the you know
drumbeat on the second andfourth base of the bar is
something which is true for allof the ones that I listened to.
Michael Moran (09:53):
So which ones do you listen to? By the way, the
artists that was strugglingremember is David Lee Roth.
Julian Bishop (10:00):
I believe Ross so I looked at Born in the USA by
Bruce Springsteen. Okay, nowthat I looked at Smells Like
Teen Spirit by Nirvana. I
Unknown (10:10):
don't know that I looked at. You don't know smells
like Nirvana. No, no, nope. Oh,that's
Julian Bishop (10:17):
a fantastic song.
More Than a Feeling by Boston.
Yeah. Which is often held to beone of the kind of the earlier.
I mean, you can go back toJohnny bigger don't Chuck Berry
but it I think more than afeeling was the first one which
was deliberately created as arock and from living on a prayer
(10:37):
by Bon Jovi Hotel California bythe Eagles. Evening by so
Michael Moran (10:44):
I'm not sure though, either Dallas,
Rockhampton or Doug California?
Oh, absolutely. It's
Julian Bishop (10:48):
regarded as rock.
And indeed, it was based partlyon More Than a Feeling by
Boston. They wrote it after theyheard more than a feeling. Don't
stop believing by journey. Oh,yes. Sweet Home Alabama. And
this one's not American. Butit's Canadian. So million
Canadians Americans, aren't theyjust with a funny accent? Summer
of 69 by Bryan Adams. So thosewere the ones the eight that
(11:12):
I've had on my on my musicdevice. So for the last couple
of days or so as
Michael Moran (11:19):
you did the preparation. I'm sorry, dude, I
didn't do that, I think was yourtopic. So I didn't do the same
amount of preparation. Although,what I should do is quickly
revisit my playlist for my sevenkids. Because Surprise, surprise
that a lot of my favorite rockHamptons on it.
Julian Bishop (11:37):
Yes. So let's just go into some of those,
shall we? Yes. Got one of mythesis is that there got to be
universal themes. So if you lookat those themes Born in the USA,
What's that song about Michael?
Michael Moran (11:49):
Being born in the US named Julian? Nicor, isn't
it?
Julian Bishop (11:53):
Sort of but the original title of Born in the
USA was called Vietnam. And it'sa protest song. Oh, okay. Yeah,
I'm proud. I think it's got thelyric connect gonna kill me. A
yellow man. Yeah,
Michael Moran (12:05):
not very friendly. That one. Politically
Julian Bishop (12:07):
Correct. But it is a protest song about Vietnam
or was originally calledVietnam. More Than a Feeling.
What's that song about?
Michael Moran (12:15):
Getting this is going to be a test. I have no
idea what more than other thansay more than a feelings about.
Julian Bishop (12:21):
They wrote it as a way of observing how music
allows you to connect with yourfeelings. A universal theme that
we all have. Summer of 69.
What's that about? Michael?
Michael Moran (12:32):
No, that is about baseball. No. Well, so it's it's
known that boys have summers.
That is the song isn't it forthe baseball, the baseball
Julian Bishop (12:44):
boys of summer is that's Dawn handling. Yeah. But
that's That's not. That's notBryan Adams. Summer of 69. You
don't know what that's about?
Some people think it's about theyear 1969. But it's not that
it's about his first sexualexperiences. And the 69 doesn't
refer to the year. Okay,
Michael Moran (13:04):
we'll leave that.
So leave that
Julian Bishop (13:07):
there. So these are sort of universal themes.
Don't stop believing it's aboutadversity. Smells Like Teen
Spirit is about a protest song,Hotel California. It's about the
dark side of the American dream.
living on a prayer as you know,it's a working class couple
struggling to you know,struggling to make ends meet
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you. And so there are thesethemes which strike a chord with
a large number of people, whichis important in an anthem. And
now you mentioned earlier on mycall videos. Yeah. Which I
thought was very astute. Had it?
Do you know do you remember someof the videos for these some for
the songs? Do
Michael Moran (13:49):
I remember living on a prayer video and I missed
my life video, I remember whenhe jumps in front in front of a
moving tanker.
Julian Bishop (13:59):
Okay, so living on a prayer was directed by
David Fincher, who's a bigHollywood director of space, and
many of these others have alsobeen directed by famous, famous
people. The Hotel California hasvideo directed by Ken Russell.
More Than a Feeling directed byGodley and creme the you know,
the former 10 CC is Sweet HomeAlabama, directed by Martin
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Scorsese, summer of 69 developeddirected by Steve Barron who
went on to direct Teenage MutantTurtles. So you've got a whole
bunch of, of directors who wenton to be you know, very famous
indeed in their in cinema. Manyof them have been banned by MTV.
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So Born in the USA that wasbanned by MTV, living on a
prayer was banned by MTV summerof 69. Not banned by MTV. If you
think about some of thesevideos, if you've if you've seen
some of these videos, they arevery memorable in their in their
images. that they think is oneof the reasons why they become,
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you know, very popular over timeand why they why they become
anthems.
Michael Moran (15:09):
And do you think to date, it's slightly different
than what they have to have tolda story. So for example, born in
one of the most famous video ofthe staff of the genre, with
boom time, that's I don't likeMondays, telling a story about a
mass shooting in the island by agirl who said she didn't like
Mondays. Do you think that iskey to these successes, these
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videos,
Julian Bishop (15:32):
I don't think a story is king. In fact, most of
these don't have a story, butthey they hook into things that
we all care about, in some way.
So it doesn't need to have a youknow, narrative story. And it
doesn't have to have a meaning.
a beginning, middle and end,which, which most narrative
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stories do have, but it doeshave to have some emotional
connection. So when you seeBruce Springsteen and he's got
his ripped US flag, and he'ssinging about Born in the USA
and killing yellow man, then youyou're you are connecting into
that rebellious feeling that allof us have in some degree. I
Michael Moran (16:16):
wouldn't say Bruce Springsteen fan, but I
would say it's the anthem wasmore Born to Run than Born in
the USA. Yeah, I think
Julian Bishop (16:23):
Born to Run us another amp. Yeah. And actually,
some of these people, they aredeliberately writing anthems.
Yeah. So if you take Born in theUSA, for example, took a long
time for them to get that right.
And that was also true of livingon a prayer living on a prayers
original name was Allentown.
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That was originally the unitwhich also happened to be a song
by Billy Joel. Yes, famous wordsthat were originally had a
different title and they weren'thappy with the baseline and the
drums and it took them two yearsto to get that right. But it was
very deliberately written as ananthem, they were trying to get
something which would be playedat all the sporting events that
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would be become anthemic, morethan a feeling that took five
years to to make. These are notPaul McCartney songs, which are
written in 30 minutes, and he'sgot the basis of it by the end
of the 30 minutes. These arethings which were generally most
of them were crafted over SweetHome Alabama. That was a
response to Neil Young songsouthern man. And a lot of
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thought has obviously gone intothe lyrics and the feelings
behind that of saying Hold on.
Now Leon, you're saying thatevery southern man is a
disgrace, disgrace to society?
We're not you know, we're humanbeings. And you know, we're
proud to be southern. Yeah,anthems are often I think, very
deliberate, that deliberatelywritten in order that they
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become played at every sportingevent, they take a lot of care
over all of the component parts.
And part of that, obviously, isgetting your great director into
the video shoot. Now,
Michael Moran (18:03):
one observation from your selection is that
they're mostly all of yoursongs. Are we saying that we're
not seeing too many monologuesanthems out there?
Julian Bishop (18:13):
Yes. And there's a reason for that. Oh, it's so
as I understand it, because themechanism for delivery of music
has changed. Now, most peopleget their music from Spotify or
Apple Music or, you know,whichever supplier they've got,
it said that you should have thechorus within the first four
seconds, otherwise, people willjust fast forward onto the next
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song. The format of the anthemis that you've got this sort of
this instrumental beginning andyou have the chorus, you build
out you have a crescendobuilding up louder and louder,
higher and higher, to the to theanthemic chorus later on. So I
think what you're you're havingnow issue, I'm sure there are
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still anthems being made. Butthe general thinking is you
should have your hook very earlyon because of the method of
delivery of the song. That andthe fact that I don't really
listen to modern music. So theremay well be lots of anthems but
I just don't know. So
Michael Moran (19:16):
for example, radioactive by Imagine Dragons.
Yes. Would that sort of meetthat criteria? Because that's
very much a concern to someonethat builds up to the finale,
doesn't it? It probably
Julian Bishop (19:28):
does. Yeah.
What's it about that song? Idon't know well enough to
Michael Moran (19:32):
have no idea. I just by the way, sort of bizarre
video with nothing to do withthis whatsoever.
Julian Bishop (19:39):
So basically, they become anthems when they
are played at all the stadia.
Yeah, you know, when you go tosporting events, you will hear
all the songs that I mentionedat most sporting events, the
other place you will hear themalso also with political
campaigns as the intro songs nowI went through visual
Michael Moran (19:58):
Isn't it very controversial. Oh, It is songs
without permission. So
Julian Bishop (20:03):
I give you the name of the song you tell me who
used it? Yeah. Okay. So Born inthe USA who use that? Oh,
Michael Moran (20:10):
I just want this question. If you say Donald
Trump, everyone, but I'm notgoing to abama
Julian Bishop (20:16):
Now that was used by actually, Obama is, if you
listen to Republicans, that'sthe last song he would use.
Michael Moran (20:23):
Well, I said it deliberately because he was more
than that, you
Julian Bishop (20:27):
know, that was used by Reagan in 1984. Okay,
and indeed, Bruce Springsteendid object to its use, but
Reagan to pay for the rights sohe had no ability to say no. So
yeah, so he used it native formore than a feeling who's been
you who use that one them? I'veno idea. You've got a good
chance of getting this oneright, by the way, Donald Trump,
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yet drop into 2016. Obama in2008, Romney in 2012, and Biden
in 2018. Us?
Michael Moran (20:59):
Why would they all put that song, the
Julian Bishop (21:01):
song is connecting you how you connect
your music to your feelings. Somaybe that is a fairly safe
anthem to use. Because everybodydoes listen to music as a way of
connecting to their feelings. Soit's a safe thing. But yeah,
that was used in fourconsecutive elections. This
campaign so gosh,
Michael Moran (21:23):
living on a prayer. Surely not a politician.
Geez, Surely not.
Julian Bishop (21:29):
A presidential 2020 is a second song he used as
a campaign song.
Michael Moran (21:34):
Yes. And if you listen to the lyrics on that,
I'm not sure that it lendsitself to a presidential
candidate, do you?
Julian Bishop (21:41):
He won. Maybe his use of that song was the thing
which made a difference. Yeah.
So there are your rights. SoSmells Like Teen Spirit that has
never been used as a politicalsong for obvious reasons.
Because it's all aboutrevolution, hotel, California,
which is also who's all aboutthe dark side of the American
dream and disintegration ofAmerica. That obviously isn't
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used as well. Don't stopbelieving Obama 2008. Sweet Home
Alabama who used that one. It's
Michael Moran (22:12):
got to be a student politician.
Julian Bishop (22:15):
Now sorts of Yeah, George Bush 1988. First,
George Bush, not the secondyear, and George Bush, also the
first one also use summer of 69in the same year, I mean, they
may not have written it in orderto be played at political
rallies, but the successfulanthems are used at political
rallies. What else have you gotto say about surplus about
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American anthem son, Michael?
Well,
Michael Moran (22:41):
I suppose some reason why I picked American
that actually most anthemsbecome popular are American
Julian Bishop (22:49):
they know there's loads of Queen hate their whole
back catalogue space
Michael Moran (22:55):
outside of the UK, but like European mean, we
know we make an anthem. I mean,what about
Unknown (23:01):
the final countdown?
What The Final Countdown? Is
Michael Moran (23:05):
that? Is that Swedish now know that no one
would bother to do that. What Iwas gonna say of course, he's
obviously not the
Julian Bishop (23:12):
final countdown is written. It's the group
which, which thinks that it'sEurope called Europe. Yeah,
that's a very unfair mix on.
Michael Moran (23:19):
What I was going to say is reason why I think
American anthems are so wellknown. Of course, they're also
very tied to to films. Youmentioned sort of Queen just
said inches and Z, certainfilms, you can report you can
introduce a song that was madefive or 10 years ago, and it
becomes popular because the filmwas popular. Right?
Julian Bishop (23:42):
While Sweet Home Alabama, was in Forrest Gump.
Wasn't it rich some 20 years orso after? Well, should we move
subjects then? Yeah,
Michael Moran (23:52):
well, what's the what's your final word on
American ounces? You like them?
Julian?
Julian Bishop (23:58):
Well, I like some of them. Yeah, I was gonna I was
thinking I was listening tothem. I mean, there are some of
them are already on myplaylists. So Smells Like Teen
spirits. Hotel California. Don'tstop believing Sweet Home,
Alabama, summer of 69. Those arethings I listened to quite
regularly. Some of the others.
They weren't on my playlist andI listened to those a little bit
more. But obviously you hearthem because they are played
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every time you go to a sportingevent. Yeah, so yeah, too. I
like them. I mean, I'll singalong to them when they come on
the loudspeaker. Right? That isalmost the definition of an
anthem. Even if you don'tactually like it. You'll still
sing along to it. Yeah. Youstill know where I can
Michael Moran (24:41):
buy that. I can buy that. Does it make it single
org?
Julian Bishop (24:58):
You've been through Orlando with me Call
Yeah. Tell me about thatexperience.
Michael Moran (25:03):
Well, in fact, I was going to say I said we
visited Disney. But I should saywe visit universal and Disney.
So we stayed in the hardrock andwent to Universal. And then
moved on to Disney. We stayed atthe Floridian, which, sadly was
undergoing significantrenovation. So not to that. And
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then obviously, whilst we wereon the Disney estate, we did
most of the parks,
Unknown (25:29):
and how long were you there for?
Michael Moran (25:31):
We were therefore I'm going to say four days with
universal and five days withwith Disney. As my son
described. Happy members. Wetaken the children there 20 odd
years ago. And so Tom came withus my son, and Hannah bought the
two janicoo two grandchildren,Frankie and Alfie, Frankie being
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five. Alfie being 10. So wethought that was the ideal age
to go to Florida.
Julian Bishop (26:03):
So you had a five year old a 10 year old? Yeah,
your children who were trying tostroke 30s. And and then you and
Joan, is that right?
Michael Moran (26:12):
Yes. And obviously Hannah, my daughter
was in her 30s. Her husband Bradwas with as well,
Julian Bishop (26:17):
quite a family group, different people,
different ages, differenttastes. How did that work? Did
Michael Moran (26:23):
it work? I think it went well. I mean, what I
would say it was ridiculouslyhot. It was hot and humid. And
therefore, for example,
Julian Bishop (26:32):
and when did you go July? August. So you went in
August to Florida. And you weresurprised that was hot.
Michael Moran (26:42):
No, I wasn't surprised. But I was making it
it was I was when I was thengoing to say it because it was
so hot. As a group we could sortof buy in and sort of then leave
at certain times. So that wasvery helpful. A universal
because a hard rock is just asort of 15 minute walk away. So
that ability to spend time butnot spend all the time in the
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park, my son lived off the park.
And back in the time they livedin a in a more family focused
hotel are covered with the beachclub, I think when on Disney, so
the ability to meet or when youwanted to meet up or equally go
and do things that you want todo. Well, I'm going to say
Julian, I took did take youradvice and do one thing that you
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advise me to do. Me and my sonwent to a baseball cage
Unknown (27:30):
and saw your batting cage. Yeah. How did that go? It
was good. liked it. Enjoy. Yeah.
Good.
Julian Bishop (27:37):
Good. Where you're at it?
Michael Moran (27:39):
Well, it's the balls are relatively slow. My
cricket I could I could cry. Idon't know good. Baseball shots.
I probably the spice I washitting mainly to the left of
center field. But yeah, it wasgood. I really enjoyed
Julian Bishop (27:55):
the way it when that when you put the speed up
to 60. What happened then allball
Michael Moran (27:59):
off the shot passion, sort of the thinking
behind you, and you are still inthe middle of your swing.
Julian Bishop (28:05):
Right? Yeah, I think we've talked about this
before. But if you missed it, ifyou're going to the States, a
really really good thing to do,if you've any sporting interest
at all, is to go into a battingcage and pitch yourself up
against a machine which willwish or throw the ball at will
usually 4050 or 60. Some go upto 70. And then realize actually
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this game is a lot moredifficult than it looks when
you're watching it on TV, wherethey throw 100 miles now. Yeah,
yep. So I'm glad you had a goodtime on that did
Michael Moran (28:39):
and I can say the alternative was my son's going
to a shooting range. So I didn'tknow we'll go to the batting
cage instead.
Julian Bishop (28:45):
Oh, well, when you come next we'll go to a
shooting. Well,
Michael Moran (28:51):
I'm not a great fan of shoot. But my son of
course being in the Army lovesgoing to places like Vegas. I go
to the shooting, just but no,not me. Oh, let's do it.
Julian Bishop (29:01):
For yourself out of your comfort zone. I haven't
done it for ages. But
Michael Moran (29:06):
anyway, so let's get back to universal and
Disney.
Julian Bishop (29:10):
So it's an expensive business going isn't
Oh yes. Not cheap, or cheap. Andand how much was it per day for
each of these ads?
Michael Moran (29:18):
Um, so Julia, I couldn't I mean, when we when we
bought it. We bought obviouslythe time on the park in the
hotel and the price of thetickets. So you talk I'm getting
for four or five days you'retalking three, four grand,
Unknown (29:36):
it's not a lot of money. It is yeah, yeah. It's
Michael Moran (29:40):
nuts without any meals on it. That's just
basically you're either inaccommodation or going out to
the park. So
Julian Bishop (29:47):
Disney prices have been going up 8.1% Every
year since they first opened inFlorida. So you're talking about
something which is defyinginflate addition, you know, so
at the moment is $129 per dayplus tax? Yeah, so you're
talking, you know, a significantsum. And if you think about how
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many how many rides would you doin a day? Would you say,
Michael?
Michael Moran (30:14):
Oh, I mean, given the waiting times, I'm gonna say
could be five or six or yeah, ifyou're really serious, you might
get seven or eight, you'retalking over $20
Julian Bishop (30:26):
per ride. Yeah.
So when you actually break itdown? It is. I mean, fiendishly
expensive. Yeah. One of thereasons we don't go, but did you
feel that it was worth it?
Michael Moran (30:39):
It's a difficult question now. So I'm gonna, I'm
going to say, I think for theexperience, and if you've not
seen it, you know, you're notbeen to a Disney resort or to
universal, then and sharing itwith the children? Yes, it is.
Well, I was gonna make theobservation. It is interesting
that sort of, I think universalhave made significant
investments. Although I canrecognize some of the things we
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saw 20 years ago, it they wereclearly making investment,
Disney didn't seem to havechanged at all. You know, we
went to the one of the shows,and it was exactly the same show
from 22 years ago, you know, youthink, surely things have moved
on. So it did look a littletired. Dare I say it in this
thing? I thought you know, thatit does need investment. So
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given the prices, they'recharging, it is interesting that
it does like a cinematicmessage. You could see new
hotels going up with the actualparks itself. It was almost
going back in 20 years. So wasvision, very few new rights.
Notwithstanding the Harry Potterthing.
Julian Bishop (31:39):
They cater for different groups, don't they?
Yeah, I mean, most of Disneycaters for a younger group. It
is perfect for your between,let's say two and 10. Disney
usually, yeah. really caters forthat group. Well, and for people
who are with two to 10 yearolds, if you're getting into
your teenagers, your teenagersgenerally are going to find most
(32:02):
of Disney's experience. A littlebit tame. Yeah, if not lame,
that's where I think universalhave really focused their
attention on people who are moreinterested in a thrill than than
a childlike experience. Yeah. SoI think there is a reason why
some of the Disney things thoseDisney shows, and I like the
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Disney shows, they are unchangedbecause they spoke to a seven
year old in, you know, in 1975,and they still speak to a seven
year old now. Yeah, you know,it's all still about Disney
princesses. And that is stillwhat a seven year old girl is
interested in. For not everyseven year old girl, but most
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seven year old girls. So alwaysfind it a little bit odd when I
see adults going to Disney justseems a bit odd because it is
something which I see mainly forchildren. And they make a few
concessions. They have a coupleof more exciting rides, but most
of the experiences are made forfamily. Whereas universal I
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think is a different type ofthing.
Michael Moran (33:08):
Yeah, I think a fair point. Good fireworks. So
Disney, I would say,
Julian Bishop (33:12):
yeah, they have an fantastic parades, what it
didn't like, he talked
Michael Moran (33:17):
about fantastic face that Disney would say were
the end of August, in August,that they'd already started
doing the Halloween andeffectively closing the bark
early. And you don't have to payto go back in again, for the
Halloween experience, which Ithought was a bit of a ripoff.
To be honest,
Julian Bishop (33:34):
Disney's other businesses have not been doing
well. So they bought some TVstreaming business. And some of
those businesses have been doingvery poorly. And it's really has
been the amusement parks, whichpost COVID have have still been
packing them in. Yeah. So itsshare price has done appallingly
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over the last five years.
They're probably trying to ekeout as much revenue as they can
to subsidize other areas oftheir business which are not
performing. Yeah, that would bemy guess. Yeah. Would you
recommend an Orlando holiday topeople?
Michael Moran (34:11):
Yes, I think with the caveat you just said if
you've got young children, Iwould know you mean you
commented about going in Augustand it's hot. We went in August
because you tried to work aroundschool holidays. October is a
better time to go. But then inthe UK, you probably only got
the week, whenever he wants togo and it's too expensive. So
(34:31):
yeah, yes, I would reckon Idefinitely would recommend this.
One of the things I think toexperience with your children
was if you haven't done so, andit is very different to looking
at, say Disneyland Paris, youknow, so going to Orlando,
there's a lot to see and do evenjust outside of, of the Disney
in the universal parks. I comeback to what my son said about
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sort of family members. It's oneof the few holidays that really
stuck in his mind is memory. Ireally enjoyed. And I think most
young children do find that.
Julian Bishop (35:05):
Although I would count that to say that I think
it is perfectly acceptable foryou to take a younger child who
will not remember theexperience, the point is the
adults who go with them willremember that experience. And
they'll remember the wonder, weused to go a lot to Disney when
we had young children. Iremember going with some
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American friends. And we'd neverdone this before. But we started
to line up to get the autographsfrom these princesses. You know,
which you think it's a such asimple, whoever came up with
that ideas of genius. It's sucha simple idea, costs no money at
all, you know, other than, youknow, a costume. And yet, for
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many young girls, that is tohighlight the thing, which they
you know, they get very nervousas they're waiting for Snow
White to, you know, to greetthem and to interact with them.
Even if they don't remember itlater on in their life. It's
still a very special moment intheir young life. Hannah
Michael Moran (36:06):
and Tom had good recollection, and they'd gone, I
would say it's similar ages,maybe Don was a bit older, six
or seven, and there would be no,I think there was sort of like
six and say 13 or younger, andboth had good recollection of
various things that we didwhilst we were there. Yeah. And
(36:26):
it's not saying that previousholidays weren't good. But if
you ask them what we did when wewent to Creek, I suspect that
wouldn't, you know, wouldn'trecall at all.
Julian Bishop (36:36):
So what was your favorite park?
Michael Moran (36:40):
Well, I like universal and I did like
universal the first time so andI
Unknown (36:45):
think, well, there are two universal Santa. Yes. Well,
Michael Moran (36:48):
what was the
Julian Bishop (36:52):
well, you were the one who went there a month
or so ago?
Michael Moran (36:54):
I've no idea what they called Julian. Like why do
I remember? Islands
Julian Bishop (36:59):
of Adventure I think was one of them. And yeah,
and
Michael Moran (37:01):
that's that's the second one. So see, whatever the
first one is. The one with thefake eight, Art Deco entrance to
it when you go in.
Julian Bishop (37:10):
And your favorite ride or your favorite rides. If
you had to name your sort of
Michael Moran (37:14):
I didn't do many rides Julius so you'd asking the
wrong person? I mean,
Julian Bishop (37:19):
all your favorite piece of entertainment and their
favorite top three things.
Michael Moran (37:25):
adopted three things up, seeing the children
enjoying the experience will bemy number one thing. I like to
get caught up again, the sort ofwalking around the various
countries. You know, I thinkthat's a very interesting thing
that take on on that. Yeah. Andwhat's my we did do I think this
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show I had not seen before as IMickey's fantasy or something
like that the first line, whichI thought was really well done
from a kid's perspective,
Julian Bishop (37:59):
what Mark Are you going to give your family
Orlando vacation?
Michael Moran (38:05):
Allowed to school at a five hour day?
Julian Bishop (38:09):
Yeah, you have to score out of five.
Michael Moran (38:12):
By the way, I should say, given that the
Freudian was in the middle ofreconstruction, I would like to
give it a five but I've calledwith the five given I think if
you if you sit if you park yourhotel accommodations in the
middle of a building site,you're never going to score five
are you and the other thing I'mgoing to say the eating
experience by large was alsoremembered before difficult, you
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know, sort of, unless you likenuggets and chips you've got
even Oh, I'm begging you got astruggle. So I'm gonna give it
to four because it's
Julian Bishop (38:41):
okay, though. So I don't was Jerome was okay.
Michael Moran (38:47):
Yeah, probably Yeah. But, but the experience
itself is, if I take away therefurbishment and the food, the
experience is definitely a fiveso to speak.
Julian Bishop (38:57):
you're recommending it to people. And
you're saying stay on site,you're saying do. You're
recommending the experience tosomebody great,
Michael Moran (39:08):
but as a family holiday, if you're a couple of
doing Florida, and you wanted togo for one day just to see the
experience. Go to the MagicKingdom? Yep, I think you can do
that. But I'm not sure you'dwant stay a week on this thing.
Now, before we go, JulianOrlando
Julian Bishop (39:26):
is only two hours from where I live. Yeah, and I
can get cheap Florida rates togo up Alana and I haven't been
um, yeah. The only time we wouldgo I think is when we have
grandchildren or if we havegrandchildren.
Michael Moran (39:39):
One final thing, Julian, that should point out,
we said we went to Florida thatJoan and I then went off to the
dances are at St. Pete's beach,and there is a link to a
previous episode Julian becausethe following week, they had to
close the hotel and evacuateddue to the I'm gonna say storm
as opposed to hurricane butclearly it was The serious
(40:01):
weather incident.
Julian Bishop (40:02):
So you just missed that hurricane then?
Michael Moran (40:05):
We did. We did just miss it. Oh, well, what was
your hurricane? It
Julian Bishop (40:09):
was a hurricane.
But it didn't. They weren't,they thought that the hurricane
was going to hit just north ofTampa. And it hit North of
Tampa, but a lot more north ofit. Yeah, so actually hit if
it's gonna hit anywhere inFlorida hit the bid of Florida
with fewest people in it. So itwas it was a very destructive
hurricane. It affected only asmall number of people living in
(40:30):
that area, which of the coastshad a hit.
Michael Moran (40:35):
And it does illustrate to British visitors
going to Florida, the risk ofgoing in August, because anytime
before October, because you canget done by Okay. As you know,
well, Julian, you
Julian Bishop (40:49):
know, we've been to Disney plenty of times when
we had children. And I would saythe best time to GM is to come
in a half term week. So thatOctober half term week or you
know, the February one, thoseare the best times because those
are very low season for theFlorida parks. Of course, most
people only get a week. Soyou're in and out. It's not you
(41:11):
know, you've got the jetlag bothways. That is definitely the
best time to come. If you comeat Christmas and New Year, those
are the some of the busiesttimes at the park in the summer.
It's also very busy becauseAmericans have summer vacations
as well. And there are so manyBritish people and European
people that not only is itextremely hot, but it's also
(41:32):
very busy Park.
Michael Moran (41:33):
I wouldn't say it was extremely busy. I mean, we
were the last two weeks. And Ithink the American schools had
gone back. The Mexican schoolshadn't gotten it. So there were
so it was it was there waspeople there. But I wouldn't say
it was busy, but it was stilllong waits for things but a long
waits for things.
Julian Bishop (41:51):
The American states have different dates. So
I think that Georgia, forexample, which is just north of
from Orlando, the children goback on the first of August or
sometimes even the 30th of July.
So obviously they're not goingto go in August but but there
are plenty of states which goback in after Labor Day in
September. Yeah, so it justdepends where you live.
(42:29):
Okay, so what do we got nexttime then?
Michael Moran (42:31):
Well, next time, Julian, we're going to do tuskys
Not doeskin and it's Tulsa. Isit?
Unknown (42:38):
Tucson. Tucson.
Michael Moran (42:41):
Arizona.
Julian Bishop (42:43):
Yes, right.
Michael Moran (42:44):
Tucson.
Unknown (42:45):
Did you pronounce it Michael doeskin
Michael Moran (42:48):
Dusan, but the good news is I can Purdue I can
pronounce Lewis and Clark thefamous explorers excellent
that's we're gonna do next timeJulian
Julian Bishop (42:59):
Well that sounds good. So it's goodbye from me.
Well
Michael Moran (43:03):
it could be goodbye from me as well by
Julian bye.
Unknown (43:29):
My god
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