A Former Political Aide Staged An Attack, Kathy Ireland Goes Fishing, And We Debate Thanksgiving Pies

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A light morning vibe doesn’t have to mean shallow. We kick off with a confession about “wig wars” polls and the weird line between playful engagement and click-chasing, then steer toward stories that spark conversation without draining your spirit. That promise gets tested by a jaw-dropping headline: a former political aide allegedly staged her own attack, complete with paid body modification and a frantic call to police. We walk through the reported facts, ask why hoaxes catch fire, and share a simple toolkit for staying curious without getting duped—slow down, verify, and resist the pull of outrage-as-entertainment.

Needing a palate cleanser, we turn to the sea—literally. Kathy Ireland, the supermodel and powerhouse CEO, steps onto a working boat with a commercial fishing license, joining her husband, a retired ER doctor and seasoned fisherman. Beyond the novelty, it’s a story about second acts that are hands-on and humble, where learning beats image and the ocean sets the schedule. We talk reinvention, beginner’s mind, and how craft can be a quieter, more honest kind of ambition.

Then we serve the seasonal showdown: Thanksgiving pies. A new taste test drags a big-box pumpkin pie to the bottom of the rankings, and we use the moment to ask what makes a great slice—balanced spice, velvety texture, a crust that holds its nerve. The debate quickly widens to apple’s caramelized edges, cherry’s bright snap, and pecan’s deep, toasty crunch. We end with a simple invitation to weigh in and to claim the dessert that means home for you.

If you’re craving conversation that keeps your brain awake and your heart light, press play. Subscribe, share with a friend who has strong pie opinions, and tell us: what’s your go-to slice this season?

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_00 (00:15):
Well, hello, good morning.
Happy Thursday.
Okay, y'all, I'm sorry.
I've been putting side by sidepictures of myself in different
wigs and calling them wig warsand getting you to vote on them.
And then I realized last night,it's like, oh my gosh, is this
what they call?
Like uh not clickbaiting, butwhat is the what's the thing

(00:37):
they used to call when you ask aquestion on Twitter and then you
get people to answer?
What there was a term for itmining or something?
I forget what it's called.
I thought, oh my gosh, is thatwhat I'm doing?
I hope it's not.
I was just doing it for fun.
I mean, I'm a real person, I'mnot a bot.
I was just wanting to do thatfor fun.
Maybe I won't do it anymore.

(00:58):
Okay.
We need to move on to uh they'all, there is some awful
things happening out there, butwe're not talking about that
today on the podcast.
And I try not to talk about iton the podcast anymore.
I used to, I used to bring it upall the time, but now I'm trying
to do some light-hearted, funthings that you might like.

(01:20):
And so they're hard to find, butthis morning I did find a few
that we could talk about.
All right, here we go.
Let's see which one do I want totalk about first?
I'm gonna I'm gonna saveSupermodel Kathy Ireland for the
end.
You guys will be happy aboutthis.
We're gonna do okay, let's startwith this one.

(01:40):
So this one is a little dark,but it's crazy.
It's a crazy story.
And I don't know why it's notgetting more um more light out
in the media, probably becauseit's an ex-gop, grand old party,
Republican aide, who paid afetish artist to mutilate her,
claimed it was um it was uh anattack.

(02:04):
All right, so a former NewJersey Gop aide, Grand Old
Party, in case you didn't knowwhat that was stood for, uh,
allegedly paid a fetish artistto mutilate her body, had an
accomplished scrawl trump whoreon her stomach, and then falsely
claimed she was violentlyattacked in what federal
prosecutors said was stagedpolitical stunt, according to

(02:26):
shocking new court documents.
Why does she do this?
I don't know if the article sayswhy she decided to do this.
I don't know.
Her name is Natalie Green, she's26.
She was arrested Wednesday andcharged with masterminding the
violent bogus ambush at EggHarbor Township Nature Reserve
on the night of July 23rd.

(02:49):
Prosecutor said the accusedfraudster claimed three
gun-yielding men approached herand a friend on the trail around
1036 p.m.
before threatening to shoot herand striking her in the head.
So where's the where is thealleged friend?
We need to get a con we need toget a hold of their alleged

(03:09):
friend, but obviously they'vealready determined that this
lady is not who she says she isor whatever.
The suspect said this vic thevicti uh the suspect said the
fictitious attackers then hogtied her and black and black zip
ties, held her down whileslashing her face and body, and

(03:32):
etched political slurs onto herstomach and back because of her
job.
Why would she do this?
Green, a Rutgers Law student,worked for Republican rep
representative Jeff Van Drew.
Uh why would two days before thealleged phony assault, Green
drove to Pennsylvania and paid abody modification artist.

(03:54):
You mean to tell me she isreally stupid?
You she didn't think this wouldbe found out.
Two days later, before thealleged phony assault, Green
drove to Pennsylvania and paid abody modification artist.
She found on Instagram fivehundred dollars to a
deliberately carve gruesomewounds into her face, neck,

(04:14):
chest, and back and shoulderswith a scalpel.
Oh the core oh my goodness, thislady is sick.
And they have pictures of it incase you want to go over there
and look.
It's on my X file.
The Ocean City residentallegedly provided the artist
with a design she wanted gougedinto her flesh.
On the day of the allegedattack, Green's accomplice

(04:35):
frantically called police,claiming she had been singled
out by name and violentlyassaulted, according to the
complaint.
Officers found the accused conartist in the wooded area just
off the trail, hands and feetbound together, her shirt pulled
over her head, and the wordsTrump wore and Van Drew as a
racist scribbled in black markeron her horrifically scarred body

(04:59):
as she screamed that one of herattackers had a gun.
So prosecutor said Green wastaken to a hospital where she
and her accomplice gave so shehas an accomplice.
Mm-mm.
Um So while Natalie is no longerassociated with the Congressman
Government Office, our thoughtsand prayers are with her and

(05:20):
hope she's getting the care sheneeds.
She joined the Congressman.
But why would she I want to knowwhy did she do this?
Was she fired?
Was she jilted?
What?
She well, she's wacko, I guessthat's all we need to know.
Alright, going on to the thankAlright, I'm gonna go to I'm
gonna go ahead and go to theKathy Ireland thing.

(05:41):
Then we're gonna go to theThanksgiving article.
It's a different Thanksgivingarticle.
Okay, New York Post, men, youwill be very happy with this.
Supermodel Kathy Irelandlaunches commercial fishing
career, prefers sharks in theocean over business ones.
Kathy Ireland is embarking on anew business venture as she

(06:02):
dives into the world ofcommercial fishing.
And there's pictures, so you cango over and see her on her
fishing boat.
Uh in July, the 62.
Can you believe she's 62 yearsold?
Kathy Ireland, supermodel andbusinesswoman, announced that
she had obtained her um openocean commercial fishing license

(06:23):
from the California Departmentof Fish and Wildlife and would
be working as a crew member onthe Fourth Watch, a vessel
captained by her husband, formeremergency room physician, Dr.
Greg Olson.
Wow, during the interview withFox News Digital, the sports
illustrated cover modelexplained that she had
discovered her passion for hernew occupation through Olson,

(06:44):
her husband.
It's pretty wonderful, Irelandsaid, of becoming a commercial
fisherman.
I'm so grateful for theopportunities that I have.
I grew up camping and fishing,she continued.
My husband, he's been fishingsince he was three years old.
Ireland told Fox Digital thatOlson spent 40 years as an ER
doctor before recently retiring,and for the past two decades, he

(07:05):
has balanced both his careers inmedicine and commercial fishing.
She's I've always wanted to goout with him on the boat.
This season, an opportunityopened, and then when the
calendar allows, I go out therewith them.
In her Instagram post, Irelandclarified that she would not be
giving up her day job, which iswhat?
Oh, her Ireland is the CEO,founder, and chief designer of

(07:27):
her global lifestyle, KathyIreland brands, with licenses,
products, and services,including fashion, home decor,
furniture, health, and wellness.
Okay.
Well, if you want to go fishingwith Kathy, I guess you can go
do that.
Pretty cool, I think.
I think it's damn really cool.
Alright, moving on.
Last article, here we go.
Thanksgiving pies.

(07:48):
Which one is the best?
That will be the question of theday, by the way.
Thanksgiving shoppers shouldavoid buying this grocery store
pumpkin pie at all costs.
No, not my beloved pumpkin pie.
I love pumpkin pie.
That's probably my favoriteduring this season.
I love pumpkin pie.
All right, good old pumpkin pie,just like Walmart used to make.

(08:11):
To be clear, the Buy EverythingHere Mega Chain does still bake
and sell the classic holidaydessert staple.
But that doesn't mean everyonethinks it's necessarily that it
should.
Chow Hound tasted and ranked sixstore bought pumpkin pies in
Walmart's bakeries versionfinished in dead last.

(08:32):
So don't buy your pumpkins piesfrom Walmart.
Goodness.
I was in for an unpleasantsurprise upon unboxing this
particular pumpkin pie.
Taster and writer Samuel A.
Allenton pinned on the ChowHound list the tin was slick and
oily to the touch, and the pieitself ended up splitting at the

(08:53):
center.
It was not holding itselftogether very well.
Okay, whatever.
But does it taste good?
Even worse, Allenton, who wentinto his tasting with high
hopes, after having tried andenjoyed Walmart's Great Value
Hearty Beef Pot roast soup,described the eight-inch bland
five dollar Thanksgiving pastryas having a strangely sour

(09:15):
aftertaste.
Oh dear, that's not good.
That's not what I want from adessert.
No kidding.
Throw this on the list ofWalmart products to avoid.
Well, there you go.
Uh it doesn't uh let's see if Ican go.
It doesn't really let me see ifI can go hide reader and let's
see, does it say anything elseabout any of the other lists

(09:36):
that's on there?
Um read more.
I'm sorry, y'all.
I should have been prepared alittle bit for this.
Read more.
Okay, does it list anyone else?
That's not what I want from adessert, blah blah blah.
Okay, so there is more to thestory, but I'm not gonna finish
reading it.
That was the main thing.

(09:56):
They do list other ones that umwell, does it was that the end
of the story?
That was the end of the story.
Wait.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
Okay, so the I've been cry I'vebeen craving pumpkin pie, but
not this pumpkin pie, wrote anunsatisfied reviewer.
Better stick to the other storebakeries fan favorites like the

(10:18):
Marcuside iced lemon loaf cakeand leave the pumpkin pie to the
pros or for your grandma.
Okay, very good.
There you go.
So that's my question of theday.
What is your favorite pie duringthis season?
I know a lot of people lovepecan pie.
And is it pecan or pecan?
I call it, I guess I just saypecan.
You I say both sometimes pecanpie, pecan.

(10:41):
I think you say pecan pie, it'slike posh.
But pecan is more like hillbillythat I'm used to.
Pecan pie.
I don't like pecan pie.
I mean, I've eaten it before.
I don't I don't particularlycare for it.
Uh but my favorite, favorite,favorite pie of all time is
cherry pie.
But then I like apple.

(11:02):
I like most every pie except forthat, except for pecan pie.
My favorite is probably pumpkinthough.
Okay.
But during this season.
My all time favorite is cherrypie.
Okay, I gotta go.
Thanks for listening.
Bye.