In this episode, Vit Lyoshin speaks with Vincent Allen, an expert in intellectual property and technology law, about the importance of protecting innovations in the fast-paced world of AI. They discuss common mistakes startups make in safeguarding their intellectual property, the timing for patent applications, and the implications of using open source technologies.
Vincent Allen is a managing partner at Carstens, Allen & Gourley, LLP, specializing in intellectual property and technology law. With a background in electrical engineering and decades of experience in patent, trademark, and trade secret protection, Vincent helps startups and tech companies safeguard their innovations. He’s also at the forefront of legal discussions around artificial intelligence, advising clients on the risks, compliance, and ownership challenges of AI in today’s rapidly evolving landscape.
Support This Podcast
Amazon - buy things that Vit Lyoshin recommends
* https://www.amazon.com/shop/anhourofinnovationwithvitlyoshin
Webflow - Create custom, responsive websites without coding
* https://try.webflow.com/0lse98neclhe
MeetGeek - Record, transcribe, summarize, and share insights from every meeting
* https://get.meetgeek.ai/yjteozr4m6ln
Monkey Digital - Unbeatable SEO. Outrank your competitors
* https://www.monkeydigital.org/?ref=102449
Podpage - Build a beautiful podcast website in 5 minutes (or less)
* https://www.podpage.com/?via=vitaliy
Takeaways
* Startups often wait too long to protect their intellectual property.
* Proper agreements with founders and developers are crucial.
* Trade secrets can be a viable option for protection if kept confidential.
* Public disclosure starts a one-year clock for patent applications.
* Patents last for 20 years from the filing date.
* Open source software can complicate claims of proprietary rights.
* Acting quickly is essential when trade secrets are compromised.
* Ownership of AI models is tied to their creators.
* Fair use in AI training is a complex legal issue.
* AI-generated work raises questions about authorship and copyright.
* The user of AI tools must ensure the output is appropriate.
* Critical thinking is essential when using AI-generated information.
* International regulations on AI vary significantly between regions.
* Companies should implement policies to protect confidential information when using AI.
* Disclaimers can help mitigate liability for AI-generated outputs.
* Trade secrets are harder to enforce internationally than patents.
* Engineers should understand the legal landscape surrounding AI.
* Collaboration between engineers and legal experts is crucial for responsible AI development.
Timestamps
00:00 Introduction
03:18 Common Mistakes Startups Make in IP Protection
05:15 Alternative Methods of Protecting Software
08:02 Timing for Patent Applications
10:59 Duration of Patent Protection
11:41 Impact of Open Source on Patents
13:38 Enforcement of Trade Secrets
15:42 Choosing Between Patent and Trade Secret
17:58 Ownership of AI Models Trained on Public Data
20:10 Legal Implications of Using Purchased Music for AI Training
22:06 Copyright Issues with AI-Generated Outputs
24:23 AI and Copyright: Who Owns the Work?
28:44 Liability in AI: Who's Responsible?
31:58 Critical Thinking in the Age of AI
34:57 Legal Protection from Hallucinations and Biases in AI Models
39:22 International AI Regulations: A Global Perspective
45:41 Global Regulations of AI
46:33 DeepSeek vs ChatGPT
48:07 Protecting Intellectual Property in a Global Market
Connect with Vincent
* Website: https://www.caglaw.com/
* LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vincentallen/
Podcast Links<
Bookmarked by Reese's Book Club
Welcome to Bookmarked by Reese’s Book Club — the podcast where great stories, bold women, and irresistible conversations collide! Hosted by award-winning journalist Danielle Robay, each week new episodes balance thoughtful literary insight with the fervor of buzzy book trends, pop culture and more. Bookmarked brings together celebrities, tastemakers, influencers and authors from Reese's Book Club and beyond to share stories that transcend the page. Pull up a chair. You’re not just listening — you’re part of the conversation.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com