July 29, 2025 • 30 mins
And Another Thing With Dave, by Dave Smith
Host: David Smith Guest: Spirited Journey
In this episode, David Smith and Spirited Journey dive deep into the fascinating world of brain science, the evolving field of psychology, and the resurgence of psychedelic research. They discuss the pioneering work on LSD and how it influenced modern psych meds, explore alternative therapies like holotropic breathwork developed by Stanislav Grof, and share personal experiences with psychedelic and near-death states.
The conversation then shifts to societal topics including gender identity, the complexities surrounding trans rights, and the challenges of maintaining safe spaces for women in public facilities and sports. Spirited Journey shares her perspective on the evolving landscape of identity politics and the importance of nuanced advocacy.
Listeners will also get a glimpse into Spirited Journey’s work as a graphic designer and brand consultant, including her exciting new projects and how to connect with her for branding and website design.
Early brain science experiments and curiosity about neuroscience
The "golden age" of psychology and psychedelic studies
History of LSD research and its interruption in the 1950s
Holotropic breathwork and non-drug altered states
Risks and benefits of psychedelics and microdosing
Near-death experiences and brain activity
The cultural impact of psychedelics on art and music
The intersection of spirituality and psychedelics, including DMT and ayahuasca visions
Discussion on identity politics, trans rights, and safe spaces for women
The complexity and controversy around expanding gender and sexual identity labels
Spirited Journey’s work in graphic design, branding, and website creation
How to contact Spirited Journey for branding and web projects
Upcoming projects and collaborations with other personalities
Email: spiritedjourneyfl@gmail.com
Instagram (personal/graphic design): @SpiritedJourneyFL
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(00:09):
Another thing. Right, all right, all right,
greetings fellow Earthlings and thanks for tuning into another
episode of And Another Thing with Dave.
This is part 6 of 6 in a six part conversation with Spirited
(00:30):
Journey. We started the conversation off
talking about biological men andwomen's sports and went deep
down the rabbit hole from there.I hope you enjoy the show.
I mean, I've, I did my science experiment, you know how I used
to do this, the dioramas and allof that stuff when you were in
grade school, One of my, I thinkI was in the 5th grade, 4th
(00:55):
grade, 5th grade, and my scienceexperiment was the a huge
display on the functioning of the brain in the 5th grade.
That's. That's awesome, and we still
know so little about it. It's fascinating.
And yeah. Right.
And we're when we're entering, we're entering like the golden
(01:17):
age of psychology where studies of psychedelics are coming back.
And not that I'm just promoting,you know, drugs or whatever, but
of all the psychedelic, of all the psych meds, all of those
were developed by the studies onLSD right back in the 50s.
(01:39):
And, and that was only then the studies of LSD were cut off
right away. So we're just now getting back
to this Trevor treasure trove ofinformation.
There's so many potentialities there, not even just the, the,
the use of LSD, ketamine, psilocybin, but derivatives of
(02:01):
those, right? Like the case in point, all of
these psych meds that were derived after studying LSD, we
have no idea what the repercussions could be and, and
how this is going to change the field of psychology.
But I, I think, I think we're ata massive pivotal shift.
(02:23):
You know, there it like there's already in home therapies now,
right where you can they'll mailyou the medication, talk you
through it, and then you can have a Tele Tele therapist after
that. Well, maybe who knows that.
Sounds crazy, but also. Fun, right?
But I think, but I think the future, the future is going to
(02:47):
be a lot of exercises of like psychological exercises, you
know, that clinically proven that you can do on your own,
like homework that a psychology that a therapist would give you,
right? I think that's going to be where
it moves towards. Yeah, jeez, my goodness.
(03:09):
That's just, that's just crazy. I think all of that is kind of
nuts, but I was going to say a fun fact.
Also, LSD is responsible for theneon color spectrum being
available to us in the form of paints and markers and all.
You know what I mean? So those were experienced and
reproduced in the form of media.Yeah, yeah.
(03:34):
Massive impact on music. This guy, oh, man, what is his
name? Can't remember the oh, wait,
here's a paper right here. No, wrong paper.
This one guy, I was studying fora different paper.
He he was studying LSD in Switzerland and then moved here
(04:00):
and in the 60s and because the climate had, you know, it had
become a street drug, he didn't want to study it anymore.
So he started looking for other techniques and he came up with
what he called holotropic breathwork.
Have you ever heard of that? No, I'm not.
Stanislaw Groth is his name. Yeah.
(04:25):
So he developed this breath breathing technique, which is
basically you hyperventilate for30 to 45 minutes and it leads
you to have an outer body experience.
And if you do it with an intention or set something that
you want to think about or work on it, it can lead to some
(04:47):
pretty intense revelations. I did it at a seminar before I
before I learned about StanislavGrof and that he created it.
I did it myself at a seminar andhad an absolutely mind blowing
experience. Wow.
Yeah. So that's scary.
So I can totally vouch for it first person that it absolutely
(05:10):
works, right. Like we're in a big dark room at
a, at a weekend, week long seminar and each person had a
spotter because you go places. So you have you're totally out
of body. So you have no idea what your
experience is going to be like. Some people were yelling, some
people were like sobbing, just uncontrollably sobbing.
(05:34):
Yeah, that's. That's an amount of
vulnerability that I cannot handle in a public space.
This app scares me enough. Like I cannot do just being as
vulnerable as I am on here. It scares me out of my mind.
I can't even imagine I. Can't, right.
So, so if you were to do it, then you'd want to do it with
like a one-on-one coach in a private setting.
(05:56):
You know, yeah. But it's wild like also I.
Am absolutely not going to allowsomething or someone to have
that much control over me. I can't.
Yeah, I know. It's it's total vulnerability.
Like I have no idea what I look like or what I was doing.
(06:23):
Yeah, but mine mind blowing, right?
So he so he quit studying, he quit using LSD in his therapy
and realized he was able to get all the same benefits from
literally just having people breathe a certain way.
Yeah, that's cool though. I mean, because I would
absolutely, if I was going to doit, I would absolutely like to
(06:44):
opt for the the option that didn't include drugs and and
also that risk, you know, is it that people talk about like the
people that don't come back haveyou, you know what I'm talking
about. Like, yeah, and they.
Never are right again because they open some door in their
(07:08):
brain that they can't close. Yeah, I think that's mostly fear
propaganda. I have experienced that in
friends or people that, you know, acquaintances that had
done PCP, like they were noticeably slower afterwards.
But that's a crazy, crazy hardcore drug.
(07:31):
And you know, I would never there's, I don't think there's
any benefit to it. I've never heard of any single,
not one single benefit from it. But the only times I've ever
heard of any effect mildly even close to that.
What you're talking about is if people just way over abused LSD
or magic mushrooms. Yeah.
(07:53):
Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah.
But yeah, I don't. Really have to be really careful
about dosage, like if I I can start sobbing just from
meditating. Yeah, 'cause there's actually
been, there's crazy studies, like John Hopkins is doing a
study right now with religious leaders giving them psilocybin
(08:16):
to see if a mushroom trip is similar to a religious
experience. Right.
So that'll be fascinating, but they've done all these studies,
so they're learning that even ata micro dosing level where you
don't feel the the effects at all, it still is connecting new
(08:37):
neuro pathways, right and has the ability to to create new
neuropaths, which is fascinatingbrain growth.
Yeah. You know what I think of, and
this is probably me just being operating out of fear but and
being paranoid. But I always think of especially
when you said that it's like a religious experience because in
(08:58):
my mind I think of those near death experiences and those are
just induced by lack of oxygen to your brain.
So I'm thinking, is it is it really connecting neural
pathways or is it just cutting off oxygen to your brain?
No, they've actually done colored MRI studies, so MRI with
(09:20):
dye so they can see which of which areas of the brain are
lighting up. And it's fascinating.
Yeah, you can see these on YouTube.
It's wild. Right.
OK, OK. Just had to ask because that's
literally the kind of thing thatI started thinking about when I
started thinking about all thosethings.
But I just don't believe in, youknow, taking, I don't like
(09:43):
taking ibuprofen. I don't like to take anything
that I don't have to. Like I had a a back injury
recently and I was like, please take me off these drugs.
I just can't. I just can't do this.
Yeah, yeah, I agree. I I don't, I don't take any
vitamins, aspirin, nothing. Yeah.
(10:03):
Yeah, Yeah. That's it.
That's. It I'm also, but I'm also really
curious and for thousands of years shamans have been using
certain plants and there's you know, certain people that state
that maybe Moses, maybe the burning Bush Moses was talking
(10:25):
about was Acacia, which is high in DMT.
So maybe Moses had ADMT experience, right?
And what's also fascinating and and and makes me curious is that
when you especially DMT right, with poor ayahuasca, another
form of it, when people have this experience, they report a
(10:49):
really maybe not a similar experience, but similar
characters that show up like this.
This serpent woman who's apparently like the most
powerful entity in all creation and appears as a serpent woman
who who shows tough love and andis not nice, loving, loving but
(11:14):
not gentle, right? Shows up to show you where you
fucked up, where you need to change, what's wrong with you,
right? Right and.
Everybody that has an ayahuasca experience describes this and
they're like, oh, I quit smokingbecause this.
I quit drinking. I quit heroin.
I quit because the snake woman. Wow.
(11:38):
OK, yeah, it's wild. So what is this?
And then and Carl Jung talks about scare.
Delusion. Derp, that's.
What it was? Kidding.
Or or or the the the universal unconscious which Carl Jung
talked about. Yeah, OK.
I'm, you see, I'm a, I'm a true skeptic.
(11:59):
I'm like, no. Serious, and I appreciate that
because I don't blindly believe anything, but in that in that
realm I have a lot of personal experience.
Yeah, you do. So, yeah, that's, that's
different. That makes it a bit different,
right? I've had a near death experience
(12:21):
personally and I've had many psychedelic experiences.
So I'm over here. I'm trying to fix the website
that I created for Doctor Pete. I do websites too.
Derp. Yeah.
(12:43):
So I he wanted me to put I'll make a link for it to be private
that I haven't done before. I can only figure out how to
make it private for constructionuses, like if I want to get
input about the country, like, you know, if you wanted somebody
to say, oh, you need to change this or make notes on it.
(13:03):
I can't figure out how to make it just accessible with a link.
So I'm just a little distracted.But I took the password, I put a
password on it first and then he's like no, I don't want a
password on it. So how?
How would people contact you if they needed a website design?
Let's see, because I have you can right now you can contact me
(13:26):
with my on here in the DMS or you can go to my DMS in my on my
Instagram that's also linked here.
I don't I do have an e-mail address
itisspiritedjourneyforlifeorflactuallysospiritedjourneyfl@gmail.com.So if you want to e-mail me,
(13:47):
there's that. And I'm still working on my
website because I've been so busy doing everybody else's
stuff. I haven't even updated my
website. I have my.
Old brand of course. Shout out your Instagram.
My Instagram, I have two Instagrams. 1 is for my graphic
design. It's kind of it's more like my
personal page, but it's got somegraphic design stuff and some
(14:10):
other basically about around my persona on here, around
relationship and things like that.
That is at Spirited Journey, FLIbelieve on Instagram, and I also
have the Instagram that's connected.
I changed it over to this one because I'm pushing it right
now. It's black pin, so it's under
(14:31):
score BLK under score pin PIN for the other Instagram page.
But that that one is linked actually on my profile here on
stereo. So if you want to go to that,
that is about perimenopause and I fully branded it and
everything. So also an an example of my work
(14:51):
'cause I can brand the heck out of somebody.
So if you want to have a brand, if you want to have an identity,
a brand identity in a presence online and social media, I can
help you with that with logo creation and branding.
I specialize in corporate branding.
So I've been doing that for forever since actually, if I
(15:12):
really want to count, I've been doing it for my family since I
was a kid. I love branding and advertising.
I used to for fun, I used to clip advertising out of
magazines back in when I was in in junior high and and grade
school That's. Awesome, so you heard it folks.
(15:32):
Need me branding. Need a website?
Spiritedjourneyfl@gmail.com or right here on the Stereo app at
Spirited Journey. And I've been talking to some of
your favorite personalities on Stereo already.
We're going to get some YouTube's going.
I'll be promoting them once we get their stuff up.
And so hopefully Derp here bitesthe bullet and gets on board and
(15:56):
we can start his. So everybody DM him, tell him to
start his own YouTube channel, all right?
Yes, yes, yes, indeed. It's already started.
It's just it's not doing anything.
That's right. That's right.
You got us. Did you?
Send me a link. I don't think I did.
If you want to play that last message, I'll go ahead and send
you a link right now. OK, you.
(16:19):
Want me to pay the message? Yeah, if you if you, if you feel
so. Inclined.
I got it. Yeah, while you're doing that.
Absolutely. I hear you derpa.
Lack of unity is a lack of powerand and let's just focus on
human rights. I don't know if that does
justice to the unique disparities that specific groups
(16:43):
face. The most socially unprovided for
individuals in our country are trans women of color.
They experience very unique oppressive factors.
(17:05):
But other other protective parties, women of colour,
natural born women of colours, they have unique oppressive
factors that I think need to be advocated for uniquely.
So while I hear you, there's still a danger to just blanket,
blanket advocacy. Yeah, I mean that that's tough.
(17:26):
Yeah, I'm a black woman, so. I hear you, but I agree.
I agree. But I think at the societal
level we should be advocating atthe blanket level.
And then and then we should of course look at the individual
and their personal situation. But in one thing I'm not hearing
(17:47):
is what we can do to make this experience better for people.
Right. Right, because it is the
restroom. All we can do is that it did we
do it like really? Yeah, right.
That what you're talking about? The end of you know.
The irony is I don't think that addresses the actual issue if it
(18:09):
does. Not either.
That's a. Problem I like I said before,
that doesn't do anything but putall of us at risk.
That doesn't answer the question.
Right. So right.
Exactly. It doesn't even it doesn't even
present what the question is, let alone present an answer for
that question, right? It just muddies the waters.
(18:30):
Yeah, but they're saying, oh, that's that's what we want,
that's exactly what we deserve and we need to have no genders
and, and genders need to be or, or, you know, they're everything
needs to be gender neutral. If that's the answer, then you
totally miss the bus here. There's a reason why there are
separate spaces for women. Or else we've already done that.
(18:56):
Right. And and just because women have
a safe space, that's not discriminatory.
Somebody else can have a safe space, sure, but that they
shouldn't get that by taking from women.
Right. Yeah.
So whether it's whether it's in a restroom or whether it's in
(19:18):
sports, right. And the sports thing I'm really
passionate about too. Because if if there wasn't any
reason for women to have their own separate, you know, safe
place to compete, then it would have never evolved and we would
have always just had one league.Yeah.
(19:42):
But it did evolve, right? And and and there and there is
an Ave. for a solution. There is the Special Olympics,
right? And I'm not doing a dig at the
trans community. What I'm saying is that there
isn't there's an infrastructure in place already.
You could we could form another division of the Special
Olympics, but they have all the infrastructure, the promotion,
(20:04):
yadda ya fundraising, yadda yadda yadda yadda, right?
So. All of a sudden now there would
be a trans part of that. You go compete against other
trans people. Yeah.
And I'm, I think they're going to take that as a dig or
something that's obviously inadequate, you know, because
(20:24):
that that goes against. Or or then.
Is to be accepted in the societyas women when you know if they
were born male and as as men if they were born female.
They want that external validation that doesn't give
them the validation that they need.
(20:47):
Right. Right.
And that's why it's a problem. They already made a divisional
championship for some sports. I don't remember which
particular sports there were, but they were qualifiers for for
for the Olympics. Maybe I can't remember what it
was. There it goes my memory again.
But they they nobody showed up because that's not, that's not
(21:09):
validating. That's it's, it's, it was
considered exclusionary rather than inclusion, But you know,
it's, it's, it's not about, likeI said earlier, it's not about
the equal access to things. It's about this external
(21:30):
validation and the ability to enter women's spaces when
otherwise you would not be. It's, that's a whole, it's a
different thing. And, and I'm not saying that's
for everyone. I think there are different
people, different, different lanes of this or there's
different, I think some people are just not transsexuals, I
(21:52):
guess is what it is. They're transgender and there is
an ideology around that. And I'm not going to get into
all the different identifiers for, for that community.
But I think there's some different stuff going on that
that really we can't do anythingfor them.
We can't do anything for them. They're never they're, they're
(22:13):
insatiable. They're they're not going to be,
you're not going to be able to satisfy them.
And once we think we have, there'll be another thing.
They keep moving the goal posts.Right.
A prime example of that is so not just LBL, GB, T, but now QIA
and the A is asexual. I'm sorry, that's that's going a
(22:38):
little far. You might not be having sex
right now, but you can't say youare an asexual being like what
does that mean? You were born like a Ken doll or
a Barbie doll with no junk? Like what?
What are we trying to what's where's the end all be all by
saying I am asexual. To me, that sounds like a trauma
(22:59):
response from somebody who was molested.
Exactly, that's what I was thinking and doesn't necessarily
have to be that, but I think a lot is going on there.
It could be a number of things and it doesn't necessarily have
to do with some kind kind of abuse.
They just just grew up to not want to be sexual in that way
for for various reasons. But who cares about the why?
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It's just why are we, why are weputting it in a movement?
If you don't want to have sex and you don't want to have sex,
what the heck does it have to dowith any of your rights?
Right on. And exactly.
And why does it identify who youare?
Why is it your identity? Right?
Like if you do what you want to do, and I fully condone that,
you don't want to have sex, don't have sex.
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And by all means, don't let anybody force you to or pressure
you to have sex. You know, don't let anybody
ditty you. And but you know what's going
on, Silver. You missed a good one, Silver.
(24:04):
This was a good talk. Yeah, awesome talk.
So what did Dre say? He was going to come back up and
and and come up with us. I don't know if I think I got
the feeling that he was talking about another time, but no
another. Time.
But I think, I think he did say he had an appointment.
He was going to, yeah. He said he was going somewhere,
(24:25):
he was driving somewhere and then I thought he was getting to
a location to like be settled sothat he could come up.
OK, might have misunderstood that.
Oh, I didn't understand it like that.
I thought he was talking about in the future.
He probably was. I was.
I just got excited. I was like, yeah, let's go.
Yeah, yeah, I know. I'm so I got all like fanboyish
(24:49):
when he said that. I know I'll fanned out.
I know we're such big fans of ofDre.
I love Dre. Dre is a good guy.
He's awesome. We do know that we.
Had a whole show we. Girls were were just goo goo.
I mean, it was kind. Of it was a.
(25:09):
Little much? I was like, had to remind these
women that he's married. Yeah, come on ladies, don't cut.
Keep it respectful. Now do you have?
Keep it, Keep it, you know, on the up and up.
He's married, man. Keep the.
Sandy's on. All right, Yeah, some people
were not holding back. I was like, OK, I mean, I like
(25:31):
trying. I think he's, you know, he's
he's pretty all right. He's pretty all right, as my son
would say so. Yeah, he's good people.
Yeah. So I just like.
To do that later at some point, because I think I mean as it did
absolutely seem like we were leaving the most messages in
(25:51):
that show he was in, so we mightas well be on the stage.
Right. And vice versa.
He comes here and he's leaving the most messages and and that's
not a dig. I I love the messages.
They were great contributions, but just an indication that we
should have a talk. Right, right.
I was about to ask him, but I was like, I saw him popping in
and out of the audience. So I'm like, he's probably busy.
(26:14):
So I was like, it's OK, alright.But yeah, I would love to do
that soon. I'm over here and still doing
work for Doctor Pete and I absolutely love what I do.
I do not want to have to go get a nine to five dirt that help
(26:35):
me. Out Well let's get you making
websites full time doing promo. Yes, we can do.
I'm trying to focus on the YouTube channels.
I was creating a product called YouTube Channel in a box.
So basically you get your your, your logo, your branding, your
(26:56):
new banner and imaging for your YouTube channel.
I will edit and upload your first 10 videos on your channel
as well as your first five shorts made from those 10, you
know, some combination of those those 10 videos.
(27:17):
Or maybe I'll do more than that.Maybe I'll do at least one,
maybe I'll do 10 of the shorts so that each, each, each video
can have a short as well. And so some combination of that
along with a tiered, A tiered pricing system to include social
media. So if you want YouTube and
(27:39):
Instagram and Facebook, you know, that would be a different
price structure, obviously, right?
Because it's going to be more work.
So I'm doing that. I'm already actually, I'm
already, I've already been doingthat for Doctor Pete as well.
I do everything, by the way, forDoctor.
I do all of the stuff. I'm doing billing, I'm doing a
social media, I'm doing all of his branding for his practice
(28:02):
like I'm doing. I'm doing a lot.
Awesome. Well, I think this is probably a
good place to wrap it for now. I got to get some lunch.
But let's let's drop your contact once again so we can try
to drumdrumdrumupsomebusinessisthatwasthatspiritedjourneyfl@gmail.com.
(28:23):
That's it. That's my e-mail connected to SJ
Design and Consulting. So that's I'm trying to get all
of that, all my paperwork for mybusiness all wrapped up because
I feel like I feel like I'm turning corner.
I feel like I'm actually able tosupport myself doing this.
So let's make it official. Yeah, So you guys can e-mail me
(28:47):
or just DM me on on stereo is fine too.
And then we can exchange information that way.
Yep, and the stereo app at Spirited Journey.
Right on, right on, right on. Thank you.
Thank you for having me up todayand having this conversation.
Everybody enjoy your journey andhave a good evening.
(29:10):
Absolutely. Namaste.
Thank you. Thank everybody for listening.
We currently have Lava Traction,Silver Victor, DBBC, The
Warrior, Franco's Frico Santana,and for Shawna Brooks.
Thank you everybody for tuning in to another episode of And
(29:32):
Another Thing with Dave. Special guest spirited Journey.
Keep seeking the truth. Much love everybody.
Absolutely. All right, that's it for this
(29:59):
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Another thing. Right, all right, all right,
greetings fellow Earthlings and thanks for tuning into another
episode of And Another Thing with Dave.
This is part 6 of 6 in a six part conversation with Spirited
(00:30):
Journey. We started the conversation off
talking about biological men andwomen's sports and went deep
down the rabbit hole from there.I hope you enjoy the show.
I mean, I've, I did my science experiment, you know how I used
to do this, the dioramas and allof that stuff when you were in
grade school, One of my, I thinkI was in the 5th grade, 4th
(00:55):
grade, 5th grade, and my scienceexperiment was the a huge
display on the functioning of the brain in the 5th grade.
That's. That's awesome, and we still
know so little about it. It's fascinating.
And yeah. Right.
And we're when we're entering, we're entering like the golden
(01:17):
age of psychology where studies of psychedelics are coming back.
And not that I'm just promoting,you know, drugs or whatever, but
of all the psychedelic, of all the psych meds, all of those
were developed by the studies onLSD right back in the 50s.
(01:39):
And, and that was only then the studies of LSD were cut off
right away. So we're just now getting back
to this Trevor treasure trove ofinformation.
There's so many potentialities there, not even just the, the,
the use of LSD, ketamine, psilocybin, but derivatives of
(02:01):
those, right? Like the case in point, all of
these psych meds that were derived after studying LSD, we
have no idea what the repercussions could be and, and
how this is going to change the field of psychology.
But I, I think, I think we're ata massive pivotal shift.
(02:23):
You know, there it like there's already in home therapies now,
right where you can they'll mailyou the medication, talk you
through it, and then you can have a Tele Tele therapist after
that. Well, maybe who knows that.
Sounds crazy, but also. Fun, right?
But I think, but I think the future, the future is going to
(02:47):
be a lot of exercises of like psychological exercises, you
know, that clinically proven that you can do on your own,
like homework that a psychology that a therapist would give you,
right? I think that's going to be where
it moves towards. Yeah, jeez, my goodness.
(03:09):
That's just, that's just crazy. I think all of that is kind of
nuts, but I was going to say a fun fact.
Also, LSD is responsible for theneon color spectrum being
available to us in the form of paints and markers and all.
You know what I mean? So those were experienced and
reproduced in the form of media.Yeah, yeah.
(03:34):
Massive impact on music. This guy, oh, man, what is his
name? Can't remember the oh, wait,
here's a paper right here. No, wrong paper.
This one guy, I was studying fora different paper.
He he was studying LSD in Switzerland and then moved here
(04:00):
and in the 60s and because the climate had, you know, it had
become a street drug, he didn't want to study it anymore.
So he started looking for other techniques and he came up with
what he called holotropic breathwork.
Have you ever heard of that? No, I'm not.
Stanislaw Groth is his name. Yeah.
(04:25):
So he developed this breath breathing technique, which is
basically you hyperventilate for30 to 45 minutes and it leads
you to have an outer body experience.
And if you do it with an intention or set something that
you want to think about or work on it, it can lead to some
(04:47):
pretty intense revelations. I did it at a seminar before I
before I learned about StanislavGrof and that he created it.
I did it myself at a seminar andhad an absolutely mind blowing
experience. Wow.
Yeah. So that's scary.
So I can totally vouch for it first person that it absolutely
(05:10):
works, right. Like we're in a big dark room at
a, at a weekend, week long seminar and each person had a
spotter because you go places. So you have you're totally out
of body. So you have no idea what your
experience is going to be like. Some people were yelling, some
people were like sobbing, just uncontrollably sobbing.
(05:34):
Yeah, that's. That's an amount of
vulnerability that I cannot handle in a public space.
This app scares me enough. Like I cannot do just being as
vulnerable as I am on here. It scares me out of my mind.
I can't even imagine I. Can't, right.
So, so if you were to do it, then you'd want to do it with
like a one-on-one coach in a private setting.
(05:56):
You know, yeah. But it's wild like also I.
Am absolutely not going to allowsomething or someone to have
that much control over me. I can't.
Yeah, I know. It's it's total vulnerability.
Like I have no idea what I look like or what I was doing.
(06:23):
Yeah, but mine mind blowing, right?
So he so he quit studying, he quit using LSD in his therapy
and realized he was able to get all the same benefits from
literally just having people breathe a certain way.
Yeah, that's cool though. I mean, because I would
absolutely, if I was going to doit, I would absolutely like to
(06:44):
opt for the the option that didn't include drugs and and
also that risk, you know, is it that people talk about like the
people that don't come back haveyou, you know what I'm talking
about. Like, yeah, and they.
Never are right again because they open some door in their
(07:08):
brain that they can't close. Yeah, I think that's mostly fear
propaganda. I have experienced that in
friends or people that, you know, acquaintances that had
done PCP, like they were noticeably slower afterwards.
But that's a crazy, crazy hardcore drug.
(07:31):
And you know, I would never there's, I don't think there's
any benefit to it. I've never heard of any single,
not one single benefit from it. But the only times I've ever
heard of any effect mildly even close to that.
What you're talking about is if people just way over abused LSD
or magic mushrooms. Yeah.
(07:53):
Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah.
But yeah, I don't. Really have to be really careful
about dosage, like if I I can start sobbing just from
meditating. Yeah, 'cause there's actually
been, there's crazy studies, like John Hopkins is doing a
study right now with religious leaders giving them psilocybin
(08:16):
to see if a mushroom trip is similar to a religious
experience. Right.
So that'll be fascinating, but they've done all these studies,
so they're learning that even ata micro dosing level where you
don't feel the the effects at all, it still is connecting new
(08:37):
neuro pathways, right and has the ability to to create new
neuropaths, which is fascinatingbrain growth.
Yeah. You know what I think of, and
this is probably me just being operating out of fear but and
being paranoid. But I always think of especially
when you said that it's like a religious experience because in
(08:58):
my mind I think of those near death experiences and those are
just induced by lack of oxygen to your brain.
So I'm thinking, is it is it really connecting neural
pathways or is it just cutting off oxygen to your brain?
No, they've actually done colored MRI studies, so MRI with
(09:20):
dye so they can see which of which areas of the brain are
lighting up. And it's fascinating.
Yeah, you can see these on YouTube.
It's wild. Right.
OK, OK. Just had to ask because that's
literally the kind of thing thatI started thinking about when I
started thinking about all thosethings.
But I just don't believe in, youknow, taking, I don't like
(09:43):
taking ibuprofen. I don't like to take anything
that I don't have to. Like I had a a back injury
recently and I was like, please take me off these drugs.
I just can't. I just can't do this.
Yeah, yeah, I agree. I I don't, I don't take any
vitamins, aspirin, nothing. Yeah.
(10:03):
Yeah, Yeah. That's it.
That's. It I'm also, but I'm also really
curious and for thousands of years shamans have been using
certain plants and there's you know, certain people that state
that maybe Moses, maybe the burning Bush Moses was talking
(10:25):
about was Acacia, which is high in DMT.
So maybe Moses had ADMT experience, right?
And what's also fascinating and and and makes me curious is that
when you especially DMT right, with poor ayahuasca, another
form of it, when people have this experience, they report a
(10:49):
really maybe not a similar experience, but similar
characters that show up like this.
This serpent woman who's apparently like the most
powerful entity in all creation and appears as a serpent woman
who who shows tough love and andis not nice, loving, loving but
(11:14):
not gentle, right? Shows up to show you where you
fucked up, where you need to change, what's wrong with you,
right? Right and.
Everybody that has an ayahuasca experience describes this and
they're like, oh, I quit smokingbecause this.
I quit drinking. I quit heroin.
I quit because the snake woman. Wow.
(11:38):
OK, yeah, it's wild. So what is this?
And then and Carl Jung talks about scare.
Delusion. Derp, that's.
What it was? Kidding.
Or or or the the the universal unconscious which Carl Jung
talked about. Yeah, OK.
I'm, you see, I'm a, I'm a true skeptic.
(11:59):
I'm like, no. Serious, and I appreciate that
because I don't blindly believe anything, but in that in that
realm I have a lot of personal experience.
Yeah, you do. So, yeah, that's, that's
different. That makes it a bit different,
right? I've had a near death experience
(12:21):
personally and I've had many psychedelic experiences.
So I'm over here. I'm trying to fix the website
that I created for Doctor Pete. I do websites too.
Derp. Yeah.
(12:43):
So I he wanted me to put I'll make a link for it to be private
that I haven't done before. I can only figure out how to
make it private for constructionuses, like if I want to get
input about the country, like, you know, if you wanted somebody
to say, oh, you need to change this or make notes on it.
(13:03):
I can't figure out how to make it just accessible with a link.
So I'm just a little distracted.But I took the password, I put a
password on it first and then he's like no, I don't want a
password on it. So how?
How would people contact you if they needed a website design?
Let's see, because I have you can right now you can contact me
(13:26):
with my on here in the DMS or you can go to my DMS in my on my
Instagram that's also linked here.
I don't I do have an e-mail address
itisspiritedjourneyforlifeorflactuallysospiritedjourneyfl@gmail.com.So if you want to e-mail me,
(13:47):
there's that. And I'm still working on my
website because I've been so busy doing everybody else's
stuff. I haven't even updated my
website. I have my.
Old brand of course. Shout out your Instagram.
My Instagram, I have two Instagrams. 1 is for my graphic
design. It's kind of it's more like my
personal page, but it's got somegraphic design stuff and some
(14:10):
other basically about around my persona on here, around
relationship and things like that.
That is at Spirited Journey, FLIbelieve on Instagram, and I also
have the Instagram that's connected.
I changed it over to this one because I'm pushing it right
now. It's black pin, so it's under
(14:31):
score BLK under score pin PIN for the other Instagram page.
But that that one is linked actually on my profile here on
stereo. So if you want to go to that,
that is about perimenopause and I fully branded it and
everything. So also an an example of my work
(14:51):
'cause I can brand the heck out of somebody.
So if you want to have a brand, if you want to have an identity,
a brand identity in a presence online and social media, I can
help you with that with logo creation and branding.
I specialize in corporate branding.
So I've been doing that for forever since actually, if I
(15:12):
really want to count, I've been doing it for my family since I
was a kid. I love branding and advertising.
I used to for fun, I used to clip advertising out of
magazines back in when I was in in junior high and and grade
school That's. Awesome, so you heard it folks.
(15:32):
Need me branding. Need a website?
Spiritedjourneyfl@gmail.com or right here on the Stereo app at
Spirited Journey. And I've been talking to some of
your favorite personalities on Stereo already.
We're going to get some YouTube's going.
I'll be promoting them once we get their stuff up.
And so hopefully Derp here bitesthe bullet and gets on board and
(15:56):
we can start his. So everybody DM him, tell him to
start his own YouTube channel, all right?
Yes, yes, yes, indeed. It's already started.
It's just it's not doing anything.
That's right. That's right.
You got us. Did you?
Send me a link. I don't think I did.
If you want to play that last message, I'll go ahead and send
you a link right now. OK, you.
(16:19):
Want me to pay the message? Yeah, if you if you, if you feel
so. Inclined.
I got it. Yeah, while you're doing that.
Absolutely. I hear you derpa.
Lack of unity is a lack of powerand and let's just focus on
human rights. I don't know if that does
justice to the unique disparities that specific groups
(16:43):
face. The most socially unprovided for
individuals in our country are trans women of color.
They experience very unique oppressive factors.
(17:05):
But other other protective parties, women of colour,
natural born women of colours, they have unique oppressive
factors that I think need to be advocated for uniquely.
So while I hear you, there's still a danger to just blanket,
blanket advocacy. Yeah, I mean that that's tough.
(17:26):
Yeah, I'm a black woman, so. I hear you, but I agree.
I agree. But I think at the societal
level we should be advocating atthe blanket level.
And then and then we should of course look at the individual
and their personal situation. But in one thing I'm not hearing
(17:47):
is what we can do to make this experience better for people.
Right. Right, because it is the
restroom. All we can do is that it did we
do it like really? Yeah, right.
That what you're talking about? The end of you know.
The irony is I don't think that addresses the actual issue if it
(18:09):
does. Not either.
That's a. Problem I like I said before,
that doesn't do anything but putall of us at risk.
That doesn't answer the question.
Right. So right.
Exactly. It doesn't even it doesn't even
present what the question is, let alone present an answer for
that question, right? It just muddies the waters.
(18:30):
Yeah, but they're saying, oh, that's that's what we want,
that's exactly what we deserve and we need to have no genders
and, and genders need to be or, or, you know, they're everything
needs to be gender neutral. If that's the answer, then you
totally miss the bus here. There's a reason why there are
separate spaces for women. Or else we've already done that.
(18:56):
Right. And and just because women have
a safe space, that's not discriminatory.
Somebody else can have a safe space, sure, but that they
shouldn't get that by taking from women.
Right. Yeah.
So whether it's whether it's in a restroom or whether it's in
(19:18):
sports, right. And the sports thing I'm really
passionate about too. Because if if there wasn't any
reason for women to have their own separate, you know, safe
place to compete, then it would have never evolved and we would
have always just had one league.Yeah.
(19:42):
But it did evolve, right? And and and there and there is
an Ave. for a solution. There is the Special Olympics,
right? And I'm not doing a dig at the
trans community. What I'm saying is that there
isn't there's an infrastructure in place already.
You could we could form another division of the Special
Olympics, but they have all the infrastructure, the promotion,
(20:04):
yadda ya fundraising, yadda yadda yadda yadda, right?
So. All of a sudden now there would
be a trans part of that. You go compete against other
trans people. Yeah.
And I'm, I think they're going to take that as a dig or
something that's obviously inadequate, you know, because
(20:24):
that that goes against. Or or then.
Is to be accepted in the societyas women when you know if they
were born male and as as men if they were born female.
They want that external validation that doesn't give
them the validation that they need.
(20:47):
Right. Right.
And that's why it's a problem. They already made a divisional
championship for some sports. I don't remember which
particular sports there were, but they were qualifiers for for
for the Olympics. Maybe I can't remember what it
was. There it goes my memory again.
But they they nobody showed up because that's not, that's not
(21:09):
validating. That's it's, it's, it was
considered exclusionary rather than inclusion, But you know,
it's, it's, it's not about, likeI said earlier, it's not about
the equal access to things. It's about this external
(21:30):
validation and the ability to enter women's spaces when
otherwise you would not be. It's, that's a whole, it's a
different thing. And, and I'm not saying that's
for everyone. I think there are different
people, different, different lanes of this or there's
different, I think some people are just not transsexuals, I
(21:52):
guess is what it is. They're transgender and there is
an ideology around that. And I'm not going to get into
all the different identifiers for, for that community.
But I think there's some different stuff going on that
that really we can't do anythingfor them.
We can't do anything for them. They're never they're, they're
(22:13):
insatiable. They're they're not going to be,
you're not going to be able to satisfy them.
And once we think we have, there'll be another thing.
They keep moving the goal posts.Right.
A prime example of that is so not just LBL, GB, T, but now QIA
and the A is asexual. I'm sorry, that's that's going a
(22:38):
little far. You might not be having sex
right now, but you can't say youare an asexual being like what
does that mean? You were born like a Ken doll or
a Barbie doll with no junk? Like what?
What are we trying to what's where's the end all be all by
saying I am asexual. To me, that sounds like a trauma
(22:59):
response from somebody who was molested.
Exactly, that's what I was thinking and doesn't necessarily
have to be that, but I think a lot is going on there.
It could be a number of things and it doesn't necessarily have
to do with some kind kind of abuse.
They just just grew up to not want to be sexual in that way
for for various reasons. But who cares about the why?
(23:22):
It's just why are we, why are weputting it in a movement?
If you don't want to have sex and you don't want to have sex,
what the heck does it have to dowith any of your rights?
Right on. And exactly.
And why does it identify who youare?
Why is it your identity? Right?
Like if you do what you want to do, and I fully condone that,
you don't want to have sex, don't have sex.
(23:43):
And by all means, don't let anybody force you to or pressure
you to have sex. You know, don't let anybody
ditty you. And but you know what's going
on, Silver. You missed a good one, Silver.
(24:04):
This was a good talk. Yeah, awesome talk.
So what did Dre say? He was going to come back up and
and and come up with us. I don't know if I think I got
the feeling that he was talking about another time, but no
another. Time.
But I think, I think he did say he had an appointment.
He was going to, yeah. He said he was going somewhere,
(24:25):
he was driving somewhere and then I thought he was getting to
a location to like be settled sothat he could come up.
OK, might have misunderstood that.
Oh, I didn't understand it like that.
I thought he was talking about in the future.
He probably was. I was.
I just got excited. I was like, yeah, let's go.
Yeah, yeah, I know. I'm so I got all like fanboyish
(24:49):
when he said that. I know I'll fanned out.
I know we're such big fans of ofDre.
I love Dre. Dre is a good guy.
He's awesome. We do know that we.
Had a whole show we. Girls were were just goo goo.
I mean, it was kind. Of it was a.
(25:09):
Little much? I was like, had to remind these
women that he's married. Yeah, come on ladies, don't cut.
Keep it respectful. Now do you have?
Keep it, Keep it, you know, on the up and up.
He's married, man. Keep the.
Sandy's on. All right, Yeah, some people
were not holding back. I was like, OK, I mean, I like
(25:31):
trying. I think he's, you know, he's
he's pretty all right. He's pretty all right, as my son
would say so. Yeah, he's good people.
Yeah. So I just like.
To do that later at some point, because I think I mean as it did
absolutely seem like we were leaving the most messages in
(25:51):
that show he was in, so we mightas well be on the stage.
Right. And vice versa.
He comes here and he's leaving the most messages and and that's
not a dig. I I love the messages.
They were great contributions, but just an indication that we
should have a talk. Right, right.
I was about to ask him, but I was like, I saw him popping in
and out of the audience. So I'm like, he's probably busy.
(26:14):
So I was like, it's OK, alright.But yeah, I would love to do
that soon. I'm over here and still doing
work for Doctor Pete and I absolutely love what I do.
I do not want to have to go get a nine to five dirt that help
(26:35):
me. Out Well let's get you making
websites full time doing promo. Yes, we can do.
I'm trying to focus on the YouTube channels.
I was creating a product called YouTube Channel in a box.
So basically you get your your, your logo, your branding, your
(26:56):
new banner and imaging for your YouTube channel.
I will edit and upload your first 10 videos on your channel
as well as your first five shorts made from those 10, you
know, some combination of those those 10 videos.
(27:17):
Or maybe I'll do more than that.Maybe I'll do at least one,
maybe I'll do 10 of the shorts so that each, each, each video
can have a short as well. And so some combination of that
along with a tiered, A tiered pricing system to include social
media. So if you want YouTube and
(27:39):
Instagram and Facebook, you know, that would be a different
price structure, obviously, right?
Because it's going to be more work.
So I'm doing that. I'm already actually, I'm
already, I've already been doingthat for Doctor Pete as well.
I do everything, by the way, forDoctor.
I do all of the stuff. I'm doing billing, I'm doing a
social media, I'm doing all of his branding for his practice
(28:02):
like I'm doing. I'm doing a lot.
Awesome. Well, I think this is probably a
good place to wrap it for now. I got to get some lunch.
But let's let's drop your contact once again so we can try
to drumdrumdrumupsomebusinessisthatwasthatspiritedjourneyfl@gmail.com.
(28:23):
That's it. That's my e-mail connected to SJ
Design and Consulting. So that's I'm trying to get all
of that, all my paperwork for mybusiness all wrapped up because
I feel like I feel like I'm turning corner.
I feel like I'm actually able tosupport myself doing this.
So let's make it official. Yeah, So you guys can e-mail me
(28:47):
or just DM me on on stereo is fine too.
And then we can exchange information that way.
Yep, and the stereo app at Spirited Journey.
Right on, right on, right on. Thank you.
Thank you for having me up todayand having this conversation.
Everybody enjoy your journey andhave a good evening.
(29:10):
Absolutely. Namaste.
Thank you. Thank everybody for listening.
We currently have Lava Traction,Silver Victor, DBBC, The
Warrior, Franco's Frico Santana,and for Shawna Brooks.
Thank you everybody for tuning in to another episode of And
(29:32):
Another Thing with Dave. Special guest spirited Journey.
Keep seeking the truth. Much love everybody.
Absolutely. All right, that's it for this
(29:59):
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