October 21, 2025 • 32 mins
And Another Thing With Dave, by Dave Smith
Podcast Summary: "And Another Thing With Dave" - Episode 448 with Porkchop and Hellatutor (Part 3 of 4)
In this episode, Dave Smith continues his candid discussion with Porkchop and Hellatutor, focusing on international relations, particularly regarding the U.S. and Israel, and the implications of Trump’s actions. Key topics covered include:
Trump and Netanyahu's Relationship: The guests express shock and dismay at Trump's behavior towards Netanyahu, likening it to an inappropriate display of servitude and questioning the implications of such a dynamic.
Power Dynamics: They explore the power dynamics between Trump, Netanyahu, and other world leaders, suggesting that Trump's actions may indicate a deeper issue or influence at play.
International Criminal Court (ICC): The conversation shifts to the effectiveness and jurisdiction of the ICC, discussing the lack of enforcement mechanisms and how countries like the U.S. and Israel opt out of its authority.
Role of Interpol: The guests discuss Interpol’s relationship with the ICC and its limitations in enforcing international law, emphasizing the need for a more cohesive system of international justice.
U.S. and Israel’s Position: They delve into the implications of the U.S. and Israel not being part of the ICC, questioning how this affects their credibility in promoting justice globally.
Historical Context: The discussion touches on historical events, including the Nuremberg Trials, and how they relate to current international judicial structures, raising questions about continuity and accountability.
International Justice: The episode critiques the concept of international justice when powerful nations can circumvent accountability, leading to a discussion on the moral implications of such actions.
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(00:15):
All right, all right, all right part.
Three of four in a conversation with Pork Chop and Hella Tutor.
Well, so if you, if I wish I could show Donnie this.
Donnie, have you seen this looking on Netanyahu?
It's disorienting for us to havea man that's supposedly that
strong to do something like that.
(00:36):
It's just it makes you make yourmouth fall over because what?
Makes my stomach turn it. Would be like seeing Nelson
Trudeau get on his knees and give somebody from the back.
You see him giving somebody oralfavors.
You would just shock. That's how bad it looks for
(00:57):
Trump to do that. Literally.
Literally. It's not here.
And I'm not social, I don't evenlike the social, but I can't
believe that there's got to be something else going on, bro.
I don't think there's any comingback from there.
It's. Not just the numbers.
There's something else going on,bro.
I don't think he can come back from that his.
(01:19):
He. We saw that, you know.
I never seen anybody run up to acar other than a woman because
Daddy's home. He ran into that car like
Daddy's home. You have to see it.
Oh my God. You know what?
You don't have to try hard. You can find it on the Internet.
(01:40):
I'm sure you can find it wasn't funny either.
I I, I thought maybe he was hungry and Melania brought him
his favorite McDonald's burger. He had ran up to get the burger,
you know, Yeah, my foods here and my hot pizzas here.
But even then, I would expect him to send somebody out to do
(02:00):
it, not him do it. He ran into the car and out pops
Netanyahu and he's a little guy.And I was like, Oh my goodness,
he was running up to Yahoo. You know, I learned this year
also, every time Yahoo comes here he brings one suitcase full
of dirty laundry and as they power play ask, he makes us do
(02:23):
his laundry for him. Who us who?
The United. the United States. The White House.
So just just as a power play, hebrings one suitcase, dirty
wandering every trip. Now you can you confirm or deny
that? That's crazy.
You know what? Under normal circumstances,
Dave, I would just ignore you. But after seeing what I saw I I
(02:48):
I have to consider it bro. I saw this on the news.
You. You, Donna, you.
What he's saying sounds crazy, right?
Sounds like he made it up. He sounds like a conspiracy
theorist. That's all.
Don't crack. But after you see Trump pulling
out chairs and pushing up doors and and basically bowing and
scraping, I said, wait a minute,maybe he does do that.
(03:09):
He does. I'm going to.
Find the light so I can share itwith you.
I'm not designed consider such things.
This is outside of my my bait Wick.
Oh my God, Nick, were you hitting me?
He does the same thing with Putin as well.
Who does Trump? Getting Yahoo No Trump oh Trump
(03:35):
treat Putin well, I if he did, Ididn't see it.
I didn't see him pull out Putin's chair.
I. Didn't see him how?
Totally. Yeah, I don't know.
He thought of hearing me, but I'm.
Not so manly that I can't be humble.
You know, I have rubbed my wife's feet.
(03:55):
You know, I know how to wash dishes and change diapers.
I can switch up what I need to. But this, this is beyond all
that. You just have to see.
It's almost like I want, I want I want to pop up a big screen
and show him right now because no man would miss this.
(04:16):
He very much act like that was his mistress.
I don't. It almost looks homosexual the
way he was treating him, didn't it?
Didn't it, Dave? Weird, man.
What? Dude, what are you doing now?
He's telling me about dirty clothes.
(04:36):
Yeah. Yeah.
Take. Wow.
Yeah, I think. Putin has something on.
Him too. I don't know what it is, but.
He seems to have power over Trump for some reason.
Well, he does seem to take a like in the Putin.
That I don't know, 'cause that one time they they were in a
press conference. Whatever Trump goes to shakes
(04:59):
Putin's hand and he in a total, you know, dominance move, alpha
male move pulled, pulled Putin in all close like.
Yeah, that was a few years ago. I remember that.
Yeah, that was a power move. Listen.
So that he did the opposite withNetanyahu.
He might as well have dropped toa knee.
And. They're and they're both about
(05:20):
the same size. Aren't they both like 5-7 ish?
Yeah, both little guys. Yeah, I just, I just, I'm, I'm
still processing what I saw. So so I.
Found I found the. Video, but I looked.
At it three times, I know. So I found.
The video posted man. About the laundry.
Above. Yep.
(05:40):
Oh, the laundry. I want him to see that.
I want him to see that one wherehe runs out to the car to open
the door. OK, that is.
Totally not what I expected. I expected actual.
Like. Dirty, dirty laundry.
Not actual dirty laundry. Well.
I watched the whole video. Let's see if there's a born
(06:02):
here. All right, Dave, hear me.
I watched the whole video. Wow.
I just, I don't even know. Hey, it sounds just as crazy as
my story and I could see it. We can't really see.
(06:22):
That was not quite as visceral as the one where you can see
Trump pulling out of there's something going on, man.
I don't know what it is bro. OK, I just posted the one of him
pushing in the chair for Netanyahu.
Is that the one we walked out tothe car like he was going to
open the door? Yeah, they didn't.
They didn't get that. They don't have that part.
(06:43):
They only have the chair. They didn't.
Get to do it because the military is there to open the
door. And I bet, I bet they scrubbed
that. Wow.
Yeah, if Trump was up, he was gunning up there like he he came
out there to beat him like a good little boy.
And then he ran behind him to hurry up and open the door.
(07:05):
So he would have to open his owndoor, get into the White House.
I was crazy, I said. Then he ran up behind him to
open the door for him so he didn't have to open his own door
to get into the White House. Yeah, something, something
changed. 78 years old, what are you doing dude?
(07:28):
I don't know. It's not good.
It's not good. After.
I got over those two. Then when he pushed the chair up
behind him, that was. It's too much and and this guy
and this guy is an internationally and this guy is
an internationally wanted war criminal with arrest warrants in
(07:49):
multiple countries, right? He, he, there's a, there's a
warrant for his arrest in France, in, in Russia.
Like he can't go to France, Canada probably.
I think his arrest warrant in England, in Great Britain.
(08:10):
And here he's hanging out in theWhite House.
Unreal. That's sheltering.
That's harboring a criminal, right?
Harboring A fugitive, isn't it? Hello to.
I don't know, man, that international court seems to be,
what's the word, poorly organized?
(08:32):
Yeah, poorly organized. I said it as nice as I could.
Poorly organized. But yeah, well, it doesn't seem
to have no teeth. Remember they had one of them
that got convicted of flavoring.Now if you're going to have in
your opinion, hold tutor if you're going to have a court
body, yeah. Now in in your answer me a
(08:55):
question here if in your opinion, if you're going to
have. A.
A. Global governor bought a
judicial body like that. Shouldn't there be an
enforcement arm like NATO or something that would then go
seek and hunt these people down and arrest them wherever they
are internationally? I don't know.
(09:18):
There's no enforcement international law.
It's useless without. Enforcement.
Believe the enforcement that's done on a country by country
basis. Yeah, it's crazy.
So we can just not abide by it and then we become a safe haven
for an international. Criminal.
The name of the enforcement arm is Interpol.
(09:38):
I mean, that's what I my guess that's do they have.
Boots on the ground or? Or are they just intelligence
though? Yeah, they no Interpol.
They they have police. OK.
Interpol. It seems like it should be a
more streamlined operation, right?
(10:00):
Like, OK, so the court found this person guilty, then you
send out Interpol, NATO, whoeverto go and arrest and bring that
person into court. Well, it's it's like all the
other comments we had. This is law enforcement is it
should be my ability with but you, you're at the edge of my
sphere of knowledge. I don't know.
(10:23):
I've dealt with inter poll before and I don't know the
answer to that. Yeah, I think best qualified
person to answer and I still can't answer.
It I think their jurisdiction islike law enforcement, not
necessarily the world. No what is inter poll but this
international? But this would be law
(10:45):
enforcement. But they don't have
jurisdiction. No, they they have a national
jurisdiction. Let me see if I can.
I can't remember what Interpol is.
Yeah, they can. Do that for you the.
Problem is, it seems like nobodyhas a mandate, right?
So that's that's the difference.They might have jurisdiction,
(11:07):
but they don't have a mandate torespond.
And there should be there shouldbe a direct mandate for when
there's a court finding at the International Criminal Court.
It should be a mandate for X branch to go investigate and
hunt down and bring to trial that person, right?
And then they should stand trial, or, you know, at least be
(11:30):
sentenced by the international court, right?
Well, this this separate court, which is an executive branch,
and Interpol, I mean police, which is also your branch, but
the criminal from law enforcement.
So Interpol means is short for International Criminal Police
(11:55):
Organization. I was thinking it was an
acronym. It's not an acronym.
It's an abbreviation of international police is an
international organization that facilitates worldwide police
cooperation and crime control. It is the world's largest
international police organization.
I keep telling you there's a police.
(12:16):
They're just so few of them you don't see.
Them very often it's not the police for the International
Criminal Court, like they can't enforce their rulings or laws.
Well, if it's not the police forthe International Criminal
Court, yes it is. No, it's where like it's for
like if a new. York cop, you know.
(12:37):
Realizes that there's crime going on in.
In. The UK for example.
Then the two would work togetherand Interpol would be involved
in that something at. A state police level.
Not the World Criminal Court. If once you cross state lines or
(12:58):
country lines, when you cross the pond intervals automatically
involved. Right.
But not for the International Criminal.
Court, whatever the. Rule it is.
And why is that? It seems like there's a baked in
loophole. I think he's.
Just got it. I think he's got it exactly.
Wrong. It seems like there's a baked
(13:18):
in. Loophole, doesn't it?
No, no, unless we don't believe what we're hearing.
If you say International Criminal Court and we talk about
International Criminal Police, they're one in the same.
We're talking about international crimes.
They should. They don't know each other.
That would shock me, but I can't.
You know what? I've.
(13:38):
Had I've had so few, you know, Ihad no dealings with the
Criminal Court, but I have had the that.
Would not surprise me if they didn't communicate at all
because it it might be set up tofail so that it doesn't have
teeth so that these powerful entities can be a, you know, can
operate. Above the law?
(13:59):
Yeah, well, why don't we use AI?Ask AI.
If the International Criminal Court has a relationship with
Interpol, they better. We do it.
Wasting our money. So.
So what? What?
What is it? Don?
Donnie is doing his stand. Don't start.
Assume. Let's not assume.
Because the names match. Maybe they don't even talk to
(14:19):
each other. Yeah, let's verify it.
Yeah, and I'm A and I'm a pessimist bordering on a
realist. So I agree with with Donnie, but
I don't think it's by accident. I'm I think it's more nefarious
than that. Well, just because you slapped
what I think Donnie said, just because you slapped the word
international on a don't assume cooperation.
(14:41):
Let's, let's, let's verify that would be a shame if they didn't.
They're not together. International, international.
Because we all know about the international police
organization, international police chiefs organization, we
get a lot of of work that comes to the nationals called best
practices guy. We mentioned that earlier in the
(15:02):
show. But that does not mean that I
can assume that International Criminal courts have anything to
do with Interpol because I've I've never been witness to that
inter. So let's not take it for for
(15:24):
granted. It's in Hague, the net of
Netherlands. Not this year.
Visitors are welcome Monday through Friday.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, who controls the
International Criminal Court, anassembly of state parties.
And ASP is the management, oversight and legislative body
in the court and its roles described in Article 112 of the
(15:44):
Rome Statute. Each state party has one vote in
the ASP. OK, That's their little board of
directors. Is US.
Is USA part of the ICC? Of course there are.
The ICC has no jurisdiction overthe United States or Israel.
What? As neither country is party to
(16:07):
the Rome Statute or member of the ICC, neither country has
ever recognized the IC CS jurisdiction, and both nations
are thriving democracies with militaries that strictly appear
to the laws of war. Isn't that, isn't that crazy
that there you just there you? Have it.
(16:28):
Isn't that crazy? It's like we didn't sign up on
the mailing list so you can't hold us responsible for
international crimes. Like, wait, what?
How can you just not? That can't buy true because my
agencies, all three of them, coordinate with with the
Interpol. I've done it personally.
So even though they may not be on the mailing list, they do
(16:48):
coordinate with them. But you said the I that.
You. Didn't.
That's different than usually. Oh, that's right.
That's right. That's that's true.
That's back to that non cooperation thing.
ICC has no jurisdiction. Yeah, but but still, if the ICC
has no jurisdiction over over United States and Israel, that
means we wouldn't recognize any warrants that they issued,
(17:11):
right. Wow.
OK, so I know it's IC. OK, so now I'm going to use my
own acronyms because I'm tired of writing does ICC.
Oh here we go, here we go. I asked ChatGPT how they
connect. ICC can request Interpol to
(17:34):
issue Red Notices for suspects who were indicted but not yet in
custody. Interpol supports ICC
investigations by providing assistance in locating and
tracking fugitive. Cooperation between ICC and
Interpol is formalized through agreements that outline their
mutual support and enforcement action.
(17:57):
In short, the ICC and the Interpol are into are
independent organizations, but they regularly cooperate to
facilitate international justice.
But OK according to what? According to what you just said
though. I don't think I, Interpol can
have a jurisdiction that's bigger than the court that
(18:18):
mandates it. So now the next question is,
that's great news. I want to hear if Interpol has
jurisdiction in the United States and Israel.
I bet it's no. We just coordinate with them out
of courtesy. What a world.
(18:41):
Well you think with the 1960 or something was so backwards.
Well, and what's, what's crazy to me is how can we just opt
out, right? Like I forget the wording that
you that you used when you're reading that, but but basically
Israel and the United States just decide not to play along.
(19:03):
With they don't be. International.
That's crazy. How can we not?
Recognize it's international law.
Well, just so if. We're not recognizing it.
We're operating outside the law and we should be arrested,
right? But just.
But just because here we go. Its role, this is no
(19:28):
jurisdiction. This is the statement on
Interpol jurisdiction. Its role is limited.
Issuing notices such as Red Notices, which are requests for
member countries to locate and provisionally arrest individuals
pending extradition in countriesthat are not members of
Interpol. The organization has no
jurisdiction or authority to hold police investigations.
(19:51):
Dude. OK, so here in the United
States, this system. Is in its infant system.
This system's been around all these years and it's not even
fully developed. Right, and here we are in what
was this been 15 minutes. We just found a bunch of flaws
that seem to be baked in to the manufacturing to provide
(20:12):
loopholes. I wonder why is the US lumped in
with Israel that weird? It's almost like 2 dogs humping
on your lawn that you can't get,you know, you can't get apart.
Yeah. Hey, hey, get off my lawn.
(20:34):
Get the hose. What do you mean I got the hose
get? It the bill dogs.
Feel like hairy butter? Yeah.
I got my hairy headed hooligan right here.
So this one. So this one says in the, yeah,
(20:56):
there's something arrived, something's behind the curtain.
This so this says, you know, do they have jurisdiction in the
United States? the US Department of Justice,
though, the US National Central Bureau, I've never even heard of
them. USNCB acts as the link between
U.S. law enforcement agencies and Interpol.
(21:19):
And then it says what you said, that Interpol can issue a red
notice, which is a request. Like hey.
Can you please send us your war criminals?
Wow. Yeah, it's operating on.
We got him on. An e-mail from.
Interpol, if you feel like it, you can go get him.
(21:43):
Wow, yeah. That's unbelievable.
So there's no such thing as international gesture.
It's. It's it's unconventional and
it's courtesy. It's not.
It's unbelievable. I mean, wouldn't you think,
hello Tudor, if you were going to set up this agents, these
agencies, this system, system ofagencies, so from scratch you're
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the guy, wouldn't you just modeled it after local law
enforcement and how that leads to how the investigation leads
to enforcement, leads to the judicial leads to punishment?
Well, I would set it up so that First off, I would start with
the. There's only 195 countries,
(22:31):
right? I would start with the top
countries in the world, the mostpopular ones, and I would have
treatises signed by the leaders that coordinate force
coordination between their top level law enforcement and my and
me. I would have permission from the
leaders. And you can't skip a country
(22:53):
like United States and have a legitimate international
organization that's the United States decided just not to join.
And then you throw it Israel too.
That's another big let's just throw it all of Africa, right?
So that. US is too big to throw that to
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not to be part of it. Right.
So by not being a part of it. It's not truly international of
the US is not in. Right.
So that kind of debunks the whole notion of the US being the
world's police, right? If we won't even abide by
international law, that makes usthe world's gangster.
(23:34):
Maybe we weren't even asked. I don't know.
I'm not. That's as far as I'm willing to
go. I don't want to get into the
history, but the fact that we aren't in it in 2025 says tells
me a lot, man. Shocking.
Yeah, well, my slip showing is the AC off, is the power
(23:55):
working? I mean, why would we not be in
that? Well, guess what?
We'll check this out. If we were in it, Bill Clinton
might have stood trial for Bosnian war crimes, George Bush
senior for Iraq war crimes. George Bush junior for Iraq war
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crimes. Dick Cheney for Iraq war crimes,
Right so it. Could be ugly.
Barack Obama, for, you know, they named him, nicknamed him
the drone bomber and chief. I don't know what to say.
All I know is Donnie was right. It ain't really international.
(24:40):
It didn't take long to prove it either.
Donnie. Wow.
Didn't that? Didn't that disheartening?
Even more disheartening because I've talked to people, I've
coordinated with them. I mean, it's not not very much.
I mean, they they go and come and go like a ghost, but and I
(25:01):
wasn't ordered to do it. I was introduced to them by by
the chief, you know, Hey, we gotso and so going to be calling
in, you know, I made you the contact person.
OK in a poll. All right, Next thing you know,
I got some strange things popping up our computer to give
me some other access. And as soon as we're finished
(25:23):
with our business, it all disappears.
That was it. And now we're telling me we're
not even part of the international police community.
Well, what was I doing then? Didn't make any sense.
But a lot of things we say todaydon't make sense.
I think it's by design that things don't make sense.
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This is not a mistake, dude. And why is it us and Israel?
No, man, something's right here.Highly suspect, right?
Something's up beyond just suspect it's it's too convenient
be just ignore. You know, I ignore a lot of
(26:09):
things because, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm an
overanalyzer by nature. And so in order to cool the, The
Jets, I have to ignore a lot of stuff.
You can't ignore that. No, you can't.
And like you said, there aren't that many coincidences.
No, just so happens us and Israel against the world, huh?
(26:35):
OK. Pretty suspect with the current
climate. You know, great, great fig bars.
I mean, what's the, what's the profit here?
Well, and that's what you have to start to ask is what do we
get out of this relationship where it's unconditional?
(26:58):
It's like unconditional love, right?
Like, like, if we're going to supply this amount of aid,
shouldn't we at least do it with, like, dangling the carrot?
Like, OK, if you want to continue to get aid, here's the
parameters under which we will continue.
No, we don't. There are no conditions for
anything. No repercussions, no penalties.
(27:29):
You will continue to give us aid, right?
There's some sort of an agreement I read somewhere where
we have a continuing resolution to continue to give them
billions of dollars all written up by Congress over the next 10
years, 1015. And they're big, big numbers,
too. It was when I saw him, it scared
(27:49):
me. I'm like, well, what?
What are we doing? It's built, baked into the law
that we're going to support themin so many words.
Yeah, yeah. So no matter what our economy is
doing, right, and it's not even based on our economy, doesn't
matter what our economy is doing.
(28:10):
That's wild. I'm just not going to bandy
words about like international police community anymore because
just because somebody slaps thaton that doesn't mean you know it
got signs, badges and you know everything official is not true.
If the United States is not in it, their men's not will not
(28:33):
exist. Be honest with you right.
Yeah. Doesn't seem to have.
And then at that, on the same token, it how can we have any
legitimacy in claiming to be on the side of justice?
Like whenever we're going to waror saying that such and such is
(28:57):
a horrible leader. How can we ever be a voice to be
listened to if we're not a member of the International
Criminal Court and the justice system?
Well, I'm, I'm, I'm wondering now, I, I have a feeling when I
say that Dave is going to open up on me, I'm expecting it
(29:20):
because you, you studied this period.
I'm so sure that I'm, I'm betting on you right now, Dave.
I'm betting on you that I'm going to get what I deserve by
bringing this up. You ready?
I believe trials are related to the creation of the
International Criminal Court. Yeah, I think you're right.
(29:43):
And if that's so, how could we not be involved with it?
We were intimately involved withthe newer trials, and so was
Israel. That doesn't make sense that we
somehow fell off. Was there a fight or something?
Somebody pissed somebody off. What album?
Yeah. Or did that country start doing
(30:03):
the same kind of things that were on trial in Nuremberg so we
can't talk about it? I don't know this.
This is late in the century. What was that, 19505560?
It was late when they finally got everybody together and had
their trial. They executed some people to
(30:25):
remember the Nuremberg trials. For those who don't know,
they're trying war criminals. German, mostly German war
criminals. And they caught a bunch of them.
Yeah, as a matter of fact, the Mossad had a Special Branch that
was doing research, historical research, and then hunting these
(30:46):
people down internationally, bringing them to justice.
As I remember, those ICC trials,they last a couple of years too,
somewhere between 19451950. That's why, because war was over
in 1945, right? And it happened after.
(31:07):
It might have been as late as 1960.
Now we got an international this, that, and we're not part
of it, right? Or we're being deceived in the
thinking we're not part of it. I don't know, man.
I don't know. It's not making it these these,
the math ain't math and making any sense, man.
(31:29):
Well, we not be part of the international police community
Makes sense. Not that it hurts my feelings or
anything, but God, Lee, really? I think it goes back to what
Dave was saying, you know, like,why would the one that's
perpetrating these crimes sign up?
To be punished. If they do those crimes.
(31:50):
Right, because we were supposedly the Grand, a great
deliverer. We rebuilt Eastern Europe, man,
at great expense, yeah. Thank you for tuning in TuneIn
to Park Polo to continue the conversation.
All right, all right, all right part.
Three of four in a conversation with Pork Chop and Hella Tutor.
Well, so if you, if I wish I could show Donnie this.
Donnie, have you seen this looking on Netanyahu?
It's disorienting for us to havea man that's supposedly that
strong to do something like that.
(00:36):
It's just it makes you make yourmouth fall over because what?
Makes my stomach turn it. Would be like seeing Nelson
Trudeau get on his knees and give somebody from the back.
You see him giving somebody oralfavors.
You would just shock. That's how bad it looks for
(00:57):
Trump to do that. Literally.
Literally. It's not here.
And I'm not social, I don't evenlike the social, but I can't
believe that there's got to be something else going on, bro.
I don't think there's any comingback from there.
It's. Not just the numbers.
There's something else going on,bro.
I don't think he can come back from that his.
(01:19):
He. We saw that, you know.
I never seen anybody run up to acar other than a woman because
Daddy's home. He ran into that car like
Daddy's home. You have to see it.
Oh my God. You know what?
You don't have to try hard. You can find it on the Internet.
(01:40):
I'm sure you can find it wasn't funny either.
I I, I thought maybe he was hungry and Melania brought him
his favorite McDonald's burger. He had ran up to get the burger,
you know, Yeah, my foods here and my hot pizzas here.
But even then, I would expect him to send somebody out to do
(02:00):
it, not him do it. He ran into the car and out pops
Netanyahu and he's a little guy.And I was like, Oh my goodness,
he was running up to Yahoo. You know, I learned this year
also, every time Yahoo comes here he brings one suitcase full
of dirty laundry and as they power play ask, he makes us do
(02:23):
his laundry for him. Who us who?
The United. the United States. The White House.
So just just as a power play, hebrings one suitcase, dirty
wandering every trip. Now you can you confirm or deny
that? That's crazy.
You know what? Under normal circumstances,
Dave, I would just ignore you. But after seeing what I saw I I
(02:48):
I have to consider it bro. I saw this on the news.
You. You, Donna, you.
What he's saying sounds crazy, right?
Sounds like he made it up. He sounds like a conspiracy
theorist. That's all.
Don't crack. But after you see Trump pulling
out chairs and pushing up doors and and basically bowing and
scraping, I said, wait a minute,maybe he does do that.
(03:09):
He does. I'm going to.
Find the light so I can share itwith you.
I'm not designed consider such things.
This is outside of my my bait Wick.
Oh my God, Nick, were you hitting me?
He does the same thing with Putin as well.
Who does Trump? Getting Yahoo No Trump oh Trump
(03:35):
treat Putin well, I if he did, Ididn't see it.
I didn't see him pull out Putin's chair.
I. Didn't see him how?
Totally. Yeah, I don't know.
He thought of hearing me, but I'm.
Not so manly that I can't be humble.
You know, I have rubbed my wife's feet.
(03:55):
You know, I know how to wash dishes and change diapers.
I can switch up what I need to. But this, this is beyond all
that. You just have to see.
It's almost like I want, I want I want to pop up a big screen
and show him right now because no man would miss this.
(04:16):
He very much act like that was his mistress.
I don't. It almost looks homosexual the
way he was treating him, didn't it?
Didn't it, Dave? Weird, man.
What? Dude, what are you doing now?
He's telling me about dirty clothes.
(04:36):
Yeah. Yeah.
Take. Wow.
Yeah, I think. Putin has something on.
Him too. I don't know what it is, but.
He seems to have power over Trump for some reason.
Well, he does seem to take a like in the Putin.
That I don't know, 'cause that one time they they were in a
press conference. Whatever Trump goes to shakes
(04:59):
Putin's hand and he in a total, you know, dominance move, alpha
male move pulled, pulled Putin in all close like.
Yeah, that was a few years ago. I remember that.
Yeah, that was a power move. Listen.
So that he did the opposite withNetanyahu.
He might as well have dropped toa knee.
And. They're and they're both about
(05:20):
the same size. Aren't they both like 5-7 ish?
Yeah, both little guys. Yeah, I just, I just, I'm, I'm
still processing what I saw. So so I.
Found I found the. Video, but I looked.
At it three times, I know. So I found.
The video posted man. About the laundry.
Above. Yep.
(05:40):
Oh, the laundry. I want him to see that.
I want him to see that one wherehe runs out to the car to open
the door. OK, that is.
Totally not what I expected. I expected actual.
Like. Dirty, dirty laundry.
Not actual dirty laundry. Well.
I watched the whole video. Let's see if there's a born
(06:02):
here. All right, Dave, hear me.
I watched the whole video. Wow.
I just, I don't even know. Hey, it sounds just as crazy as
my story and I could see it. We can't really see.
(06:22):
That was not quite as visceral as the one where you can see
Trump pulling out of there's something going on, man.
I don't know what it is bro. OK, I just posted the one of him
pushing in the chair for Netanyahu.
Is that the one we walked out tothe car like he was going to
open the door? Yeah, they didn't.
They didn't get that. They don't have that part.
(06:43):
They only have the chair. They didn't.
Get to do it because the military is there to open the
door. And I bet, I bet they scrubbed
that. Wow.
Yeah, if Trump was up, he was gunning up there like he he came
out there to beat him like a good little boy.
And then he ran behind him to hurry up and open the door.
(07:05):
So he would have to open his owndoor, get into the White House.
I was crazy, I said. Then he ran up behind him to
open the door for him so he didn't have to open his own door
to get into the White House. Yeah, something, something
changed. 78 years old, what are you doing dude?
(07:28):
I don't know. It's not good.
It's not good. After.
I got over those two. Then when he pushed the chair up
behind him, that was. It's too much and and this guy
and this guy is an internationally and this guy is
an internationally wanted war criminal with arrest warrants in
(07:49):
multiple countries, right? He, he, there's a, there's a
warrant for his arrest in France, in, in Russia.
Like he can't go to France, Canada probably.
I think his arrest warrant in England, in Great Britain.
(08:10):
And here he's hanging out in theWhite House.
Unreal. That's sheltering.
That's harboring a criminal, right?
Harboring A fugitive, isn't it? Hello to.
I don't know, man, that international court seems to be,
what's the word, poorly organized?
(08:32):
Yeah, poorly organized. I said it as nice as I could.
Poorly organized. But yeah, well, it doesn't seem
to have no teeth. Remember they had one of them
that got convicted of flavoring.Now if you're going to have in
your opinion, hold tutor if you're going to have a court
body, yeah. Now in in your answer me a
(08:55):
question here if in your opinion, if you're going to
have. A.
A. Global governor bought a
judicial body like that. Shouldn't there be an
enforcement arm like NATO or something that would then go
seek and hunt these people down and arrest them wherever they
are internationally? I don't know.
(09:18):
There's no enforcement international law.
It's useless without. Enforcement.
Believe the enforcement that's done on a country by country
basis. Yeah, it's crazy.
So we can just not abide by it and then we become a safe haven
for an international. Criminal.
The name of the enforcement arm is Interpol.
(09:38):
I mean, that's what I my guess that's do they have.
Boots on the ground or? Or are they just intelligence
though? Yeah, they no Interpol.
They they have police. OK.
Interpol. It seems like it should be a
more streamlined operation, right?
(10:00):
Like, OK, so the court found this person guilty, then you
send out Interpol, NATO, whoeverto go and arrest and bring that
person into court. Well, it's it's like all the
other comments we had. This is law enforcement is it
should be my ability with but you, you're at the edge of my
sphere of knowledge. I don't know.
(10:23):
I've dealt with inter poll before and I don't know the
answer to that. Yeah, I think best qualified
person to answer and I still can't answer.
It I think their jurisdiction islike law enforcement, not
necessarily the world. No what is inter poll but this
international? But this would be law
(10:45):
enforcement. But they don't have
jurisdiction. No, they they have a national
jurisdiction. Let me see if I can.
I can't remember what Interpol is.
Yeah, they can. Do that for you the.
Problem is, it seems like nobodyhas a mandate, right?
So that's that's the difference.They might have jurisdiction,
(11:07):
but they don't have a mandate torespond.
And there should be there shouldbe a direct mandate for when
there's a court finding at the International Criminal Court.
It should be a mandate for X branch to go investigate and
hunt down and bring to trial that person, right?
And then they should stand trial, or, you know, at least be
(11:30):
sentenced by the international court, right?
Well, this this separate court, which is an executive branch,
and Interpol, I mean police, which is also your branch, but
the criminal from law enforcement.
So Interpol means is short for International Criminal Police
(11:55):
Organization. I was thinking it was an
acronym. It's not an acronym.
It's an abbreviation of international police is an
international organization that facilitates worldwide police
cooperation and crime control. It is the world's largest
international police organization.
I keep telling you there's a police.
(12:16):
They're just so few of them you don't see.
Them very often it's not the police for the International
Criminal Court, like they can't enforce their rulings or laws.
Well, if it's not the police forthe International Criminal
Court, yes it is. No, it's where like it's for
like if a new. York cop, you know.
(12:37):
Realizes that there's crime going on in.
In. The UK for example.
Then the two would work togetherand Interpol would be involved
in that something at. A state police level.
Not the World Criminal Court. If once you cross state lines or
(12:58):
country lines, when you cross the pond intervals automatically
involved. Right.
But not for the International Criminal.
Court, whatever the. Rule it is.
And why is that? It seems like there's a baked in
loophole. I think he's.
Just got it. I think he's got it exactly.
Wrong. It seems like there's a baked
(13:18):
in. Loophole, doesn't it?
No, no, unless we don't believe what we're hearing.
If you say International Criminal Court and we talk about
International Criminal Police, they're one in the same.
We're talking about international crimes.
They should. They don't know each other.
That would shock me, but I can't.
You know what? I've.
(13:38):
Had I've had so few, you know, Ihad no dealings with the
Criminal Court, but I have had the that.
Would not surprise me if they didn't communicate at all
because it it might be set up tofail so that it doesn't have
teeth so that these powerful entities can be a, you know, can
operate. Above the law?
(13:59):
Yeah, well, why don't we use AI?Ask AI.
If the International Criminal Court has a relationship with
Interpol, they better. We do it.
Wasting our money. So.
So what? What?
What is it? Don?
Donnie is doing his stand. Don't start.
Assume. Let's not assume.
Because the names match. Maybe they don't even talk to
(14:19):
each other. Yeah, let's verify it.
Yeah, and I'm A and I'm a pessimist bordering on a
realist. So I agree with with Donnie, but
I don't think it's by accident. I'm I think it's more nefarious
than that. Well, just because you slapped
what I think Donnie said, just because you slapped the word
international on a don't assume cooperation.
(14:41):
Let's, let's, let's verify that would be a shame if they didn't.
They're not together. International, international.
Because we all know about the international police
organization, international police chiefs organization, we
get a lot of of work that comes to the nationals called best
practices guy. We mentioned that earlier in the
(15:02):
show. But that does not mean that I
can assume that International Criminal courts have anything to
do with Interpol because I've I've never been witness to that
inter. So let's not take it for for
(15:24):
granted. It's in Hague, the net of
Netherlands. Not this year.
Visitors are welcome Monday through Friday.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, who controls the
International Criminal Court, anassembly of state parties.
And ASP is the management, oversight and legislative body
in the court and its roles described in Article 112 of the
(15:44):
Rome Statute. Each state party has one vote in
the ASP. OK, That's their little board of
directors. Is US.
Is USA part of the ICC? Of course there are.
The ICC has no jurisdiction overthe United States or Israel.
What? As neither country is party to
(16:07):
the Rome Statute or member of the ICC, neither country has
ever recognized the IC CS jurisdiction, and both nations
are thriving democracies with militaries that strictly appear
to the laws of war. Isn't that, isn't that crazy
that there you just there you? Have it.
(16:28):
Isn't that crazy? It's like we didn't sign up on
the mailing list so you can't hold us responsible for
international crimes. Like, wait, what?
How can you just not? That can't buy true because my
agencies, all three of them, coordinate with with the
Interpol. I've done it personally.
So even though they may not be on the mailing list, they do
(16:48):
coordinate with them. But you said the I that.
You. Didn't.
That's different than usually. Oh, that's right.
That's right. That's that's true.
That's back to that non cooperation thing.
ICC has no jurisdiction. Yeah, but but still, if the ICC
has no jurisdiction over over United States and Israel, that
means we wouldn't recognize any warrants that they issued,
(17:11):
right. Wow.
OK, so I know it's IC. OK, so now I'm going to use my
own acronyms because I'm tired of writing does ICC.
Oh here we go, here we go. I asked ChatGPT how they
connect. ICC can request Interpol to
(17:34):
issue Red Notices for suspects who were indicted but not yet in
custody. Interpol supports ICC
investigations by providing assistance in locating and
tracking fugitive. Cooperation between ICC and
Interpol is formalized through agreements that outline their
mutual support and enforcement action.
(17:57):
In short, the ICC and the Interpol are into are
independent organizations, but they regularly cooperate to
facilitate international justice.
But OK according to what? According to what you just said
though. I don't think I, Interpol can
have a jurisdiction that's bigger than the court that
(18:18):
mandates it. So now the next question is,
that's great news. I want to hear if Interpol has
jurisdiction in the United States and Israel.
I bet it's no. We just coordinate with them out
of courtesy. What a world.
(18:41):
Well you think with the 1960 or something was so backwards.
Well, and what's, what's crazy to me is how can we just opt
out, right? Like I forget the wording that
you that you used when you're reading that, but but basically
Israel and the United States just decide not to play along.
(19:03):
With they don't be. International.
That's crazy. How can we not?
Recognize it's international law.
Well, just so if. We're not recognizing it.
We're operating outside the law and we should be arrested,
right? But just.
But just because here we go. Its role, this is no
(19:28):
jurisdiction. This is the statement on
Interpol jurisdiction. Its role is limited.
Issuing notices such as Red Notices, which are requests for
member countries to locate and provisionally arrest individuals
pending extradition in countriesthat are not members of
Interpol. The organization has no
jurisdiction or authority to hold police investigations.
(19:51):
Dude. OK, so here in the United
States, this system. Is in its infant system.
This system's been around all these years and it's not even
fully developed. Right, and here we are in what
was this been 15 minutes. We just found a bunch of flaws
that seem to be baked in to the manufacturing to provide
(20:12):
loopholes. I wonder why is the US lumped in
with Israel that weird? It's almost like 2 dogs humping
on your lawn that you can't get,you know, you can't get apart.
Yeah. Hey, hey, get off my lawn.
(20:34):
Get the hose. What do you mean I got the hose
get? It the bill dogs.
Feel like hairy butter? Yeah.
I got my hairy headed hooligan right here.
So this one. So this one says in the, yeah,
(20:56):
there's something arrived, something's behind the curtain.
This so this says, you know, do they have jurisdiction in the
United States? the US Department of Justice,
though, the US National Central Bureau, I've never even heard of
them. USNCB acts as the link between
U.S. law enforcement agencies and Interpol.
(21:19):
And then it says what you said, that Interpol can issue a red
notice, which is a request. Like hey.
Can you please send us your war criminals?
Wow. Yeah, it's operating on.
We got him on. An e-mail from.
Interpol, if you feel like it, you can go get him.
(21:43):
Wow, yeah. That's unbelievable.
So there's no such thing as international gesture.
It's. It's it's unconventional and
it's courtesy. It's not.
It's unbelievable. I mean, wouldn't you think,
hello Tudor, if you were going to set up this agents, these
agencies, this system, system ofagencies, so from scratch you're
(22:09):
the guy, wouldn't you just modeled it after local law
enforcement and how that leads to how the investigation leads
to enforcement, leads to the judicial leads to punishment?
Well, I would set it up so that First off, I would start with
the. There's only 195 countries,
(22:31):
right? I would start with the top
countries in the world, the mostpopular ones, and I would have
treatises signed by the leaders that coordinate force
coordination between their top level law enforcement and my and
me. I would have permission from the
leaders. And you can't skip a country
(22:53):
like United States and have a legitimate international
organization that's the United States decided just not to join.
And then you throw it Israel too.
That's another big let's just throw it all of Africa, right?
So that. US is too big to throw that to
(23:13):
not to be part of it. Right.
So by not being a part of it. It's not truly international of
the US is not in. Right.
So that kind of debunks the whole notion of the US being the
world's police, right? If we won't even abide by
international law, that makes usthe world's gangster.
(23:34):
Maybe we weren't even asked. I don't know.
I'm not. That's as far as I'm willing to
go. I don't want to get into the
history, but the fact that we aren't in it in 2025 says tells
me a lot, man. Shocking.
Yeah, well, my slip showing is the AC off, is the power
(23:55):
working? I mean, why would we not be in
that? Well, guess what?
We'll check this out. If we were in it, Bill Clinton
might have stood trial for Bosnian war crimes, George Bush
senior for Iraq war crimes. George Bush junior for Iraq war
(24:17):
crimes. Dick Cheney for Iraq war crimes,
Right so it. Could be ugly.
Barack Obama, for, you know, they named him, nicknamed him
the drone bomber and chief. I don't know what to say.
All I know is Donnie was right. It ain't really international.
(24:40):
It didn't take long to prove it either.
Donnie. Wow.
Didn't that? Didn't that disheartening?
Even more disheartening because I've talked to people, I've
coordinated with them. I mean, it's not not very much.
I mean, they they go and come and go like a ghost, but and I
(25:01):
wasn't ordered to do it. I was introduced to them by by
the chief, you know, Hey, we gotso and so going to be calling
in, you know, I made you the contact person.
OK in a poll. All right, Next thing you know,
I got some strange things popping up our computer to give
me some other access. And as soon as we're finished
(25:23):
with our business, it all disappears.
That was it. And now we're telling me we're
not even part of the international police community.
Well, what was I doing then? Didn't make any sense.
But a lot of things we say todaydon't make sense.
I think it's by design that things don't make sense.
(25:45):
This is not a mistake, dude. And why is it us and Israel?
No, man, something's right here.Highly suspect, right?
Something's up beyond just suspect it's it's too convenient
be just ignore. You know, I ignore a lot of
(26:09):
things because, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm an
overanalyzer by nature. And so in order to cool the, The
Jets, I have to ignore a lot of stuff.
You can't ignore that. No, you can't.
And like you said, there aren't that many coincidences.
No, just so happens us and Israel against the world, huh?
(26:35):
OK. Pretty suspect with the current
climate. You know, great, great fig bars.
I mean, what's the, what's the profit here?
Well, and that's what you have to start to ask is what do we
get out of this relationship where it's unconditional?
(26:58):
It's like unconditional love, right?
Like, like, if we're going to supply this amount of aid,
shouldn't we at least do it with, like, dangling the carrot?
Like, OK, if you want to continue to get aid, here's the
parameters under which we will continue.
No, we don't. There are no conditions for
anything. No repercussions, no penalties.
(27:29):
You will continue to give us aid, right?
There's some sort of an agreement I read somewhere where
we have a continuing resolution to continue to give them
billions of dollars all written up by Congress over the next 10
years, 1015. And they're big, big numbers,
too. It was when I saw him, it scared
(27:49):
me. I'm like, well, what?
What are we doing? It's built, baked into the law
that we're going to support themin so many words.
Yeah, yeah. So no matter what our economy is
doing, right, and it's not even based on our economy, doesn't
matter what our economy is doing.
(28:10):
That's wild. I'm just not going to bandy
words about like international police community anymore because
just because somebody slaps thaton that doesn't mean you know it
got signs, badges and you know everything official is not true.
If the United States is not in it, their men's not will not
(28:33):
exist. Be honest with you right.
Yeah. Doesn't seem to have.
And then at that, on the same token, it how can we have any
legitimacy in claiming to be on the side of justice?
Like whenever we're going to waror saying that such and such is
(28:57):
a horrible leader. How can we ever be a voice to be
listened to if we're not a member of the International
Criminal Court and the justice system?
Well, I'm, I'm, I'm wondering now, I, I have a feeling when I
say that Dave is going to open up on me, I'm expecting it
(29:20):
because you, you studied this period.
I'm so sure that I'm, I'm betting on you right now, Dave.
I'm betting on you that I'm going to get what I deserve by
bringing this up. You ready?
I believe trials are related to the creation of the
International Criminal Court. Yeah, I think you're right.
(29:43):
And if that's so, how could we not be involved with it?
We were intimately involved withthe newer trials, and so was
Israel. That doesn't make sense that we
somehow fell off. Was there a fight or something?
Somebody pissed somebody off. What album?
Yeah. Or did that country start doing
(30:03):
the same kind of things that were on trial in Nuremberg so we
can't talk about it? I don't know this.
This is late in the century. What was that, 19505560?
It was late when they finally got everybody together and had
their trial. They executed some people to
(30:25):
remember the Nuremberg trials. For those who don't know,
they're trying war criminals. German, mostly German war
criminals. And they caught a bunch of them.
Yeah, as a matter of fact, the Mossad had a Special Branch that
was doing research, historical research, and then hunting these
(30:46):
people down internationally, bringing them to justice.
As I remember, those ICC trials,they last a couple of years too,
somewhere between 19451950. That's why, because war was over
in 1945, right? And it happened after.
(31:07):
It might have been as late as 1960.
Now we got an international this, that, and we're not part
of it, right? Or we're being deceived in the
thinking we're not part of it. I don't know, man.
I don't know. It's not making it these these,
the math ain't math and making any sense, man.
(31:29):
Well, we not be part of the international police community
Makes sense. Not that it hurts my feelings or
anything, but God, Lee, really? I think it goes back to what
Dave was saying, you know, like,why would the one that's
perpetrating these crimes sign up?
To be punished. If they do those crimes.
(31:50):
Right, because we were supposedly the Grand, a great
deliverer. We rebuilt Eastern Europe, man,
at great expense, yeah. Thank you for tuning in TuneIn
to Park Polo to continue the conversation.
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