March 24, 2025 • 17 mins
Healing has become such a buzzword in our conscious, awakening world—but what actually is it? In this deeply reflective exploration, we unpack the true nature of healing as an ongoing process rather than a destination.
The healing journey follows a distinct cycle that begins with awareness—that moment when our bodies alert us something isn't right, whether through relationship patterns, self-destructive behaviors, or somatic responses like unexplained physical symptoms and panic attacks. Your body is the alarm system trying to bring unconscious patterns into the light. We examine how to identify these patterns and trace them back to their childhood origins, where they likely formed as survival mechanisms.
Then comes the challenging threshold of acceptance, where many of us get stuck yearning for justice while struggling to accept we can only control our own healing path. This pivotal moment requires us to acknowledge that while we didn't create these patterns, we're responsible for how we continue them today. The journey culminates in inspired action—that beautiful space where authenticity, purpose, and joy become possible again as we reconnect with who we truly are beneath the layers of wounding.
Perhaps most importantly, we explore the shadow side of healing—how the language of transformation can be manipulated and weaponized. True healing is quiet, embodied rather than proclaimed. It creates a presence that feels grounding and kind without judgment or superiority. Whether you're beginning your healing journey or supporting someone else's, remember that genuine healing always returns us to love, both for ourselves and others. You're good, you're worthy, and you're valuable exactly as you are.
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Cristine Seidell (00:03):
Hello and welcome to.
And Still we Rise.
My name is Christine and I amyour host, and today we are
talking about healing.
What the actual hell is healing, how do you do it?
And, from the shadow side, whatare some of the misuses and
manipulations of healing?
So, with that said, let's getstarted.
(00:24):
Manipulations of healing.
So, with that said, let's getstarted.
So healing is such a buzzword intoday's world, especially
within our very enlightened, youknow, waking up to the
intuitive type of world thatwe're living in right now, where
everybody is so consciouslyaware of the need for self-work
Now, I say everyone, but we allknow not everyone will be
(00:46):
available to do the healing work, but it is such a topic of
conversation as we go intoconnections in this world.
So it's really important tounderstand, from an individual's
perspective, what healingactually is.
And healing is not a place youget to, it's not this
destination.
(01:06):
Healing is this ongoing processof becoming consciously aware
of patterns and belief systemsthat are creating angst in your
life and you are no longeravailable to continue them.
So healing is really the cyclethat we may go into many times
(01:29):
throughout our life when webecome consciously aware of
something is no longer workingfor us.
Now understand that noteveryone is going to be
available to do the healing workin this world is going to be
available to do the healing workin this world.
Honestly, if we really thinkabout it.
Some of us have the privilegeof being able to be consciously
(01:51):
aware.
Not all of us are living withinthe survival mode of life, so
if we look at some people thatreally don't even have the
capacity to have their basicneeds met, like food, shelter,
clothing, safety within theirown body, being called to the
(02:12):
healing work is really notsomething that they can access
at this moment, because it's notsafe to even be within their
own body, to even take a momentto be present with what is a
more subconscious need at thislevel.
It's really about trying tosurvive in this world, whether
that's a physical lack of safetyor a psychological lack of
(02:38):
safety.
Some people will just not beable to or available to do this
work in this life.
But if you're someone who'slistening to this podcast, I
feel like you're probablysomebody who is.
So, with that being said, let'stalk about what the healing
cycle is.
Again, it's a process, and sothe way that I like to describe
(03:03):
it is called the healing cycle,knowing that it's cyclical and
that as we complete a cycle, wemay become more and more aware
of other cycles that need to belooked at within itself too, and
for your convenience, I'llactually add a link to this
podcast where you can access alittle infographic that talks
(03:23):
about the healing cycle.
So the first phase of healing issomething that I call awareness
.
Awareness is when weconsciously begin to recognize
that something is not okay.
We begin to feel the sense ofdysregulation within our bodies.
This is not something that wethink, this is something we feel
(03:46):
.
We begin to say this is notokay with me, something doesn't
feel right.
Now, this may be somethingwithin a relationship, maybe
it's a pattern within arelationship where we begin to
recognize this doesn't feel safeto me, this doesn't feel right.
(04:07):
Something is just not okay inthis relationship.
I can't put my finger on it,but I can sense it.
Maybe it's a self-destructivebehavior.
This is not okay for me toparticipate in.
I am not okay doing thesethings.
Whether it's substance use,whether it's promiscuity,
(04:30):
whether it's harming the body,there is some self-destructive
behavior that we becomeconsciously aware of is not okay
for us.
Or third, and this is actually,one of my most satisfying types
of clients to work with is whenour bodies can't actually put
(04:51):
words to it, but it knows thatsomething is not okay, and this
is what we call somaticresponses to stress.
This is the dysregulationwithin our body, as if our body
is like this alarm system,saying you may not be able to
consciously tell yourself thatsomething's not okay, but I am
(05:11):
alerting you that something isnot okay.
This can show up as prevalencein panic attacks.
What I see a lot of isdifferent centers of the body
having some type of somaticresponse.
Oftentimes, a lot of my clientscome in with some type of
throat issue whether it's a tick, whether it's a feeling of
(05:35):
something caught in the throat,whether it's nausea, whether
it's a fear of vomiting butthere's some part of the body
that cannot be attributed tosomething else physically.
They've gone to doctors,they've gone to holistic healers
and they cannot find anythinggoing on within the body that
(05:56):
would explain what is going onin that particular center.
So the body itself is sayingalert, alert, I am not okay.
You've been off the grid andI'm going to light you up so
that you pay attention to me,become aware.
(06:20):
And this is where we becomevery consciously aware of what
this actually is Right.
So let's say we're in arelationship and the dynamic
within a partner or let's say,parent, child or friendship or
(06:42):
work relationship the dynamic iswhat is alerting us to
something is not OK.
And as we explore what thatpattern is and we see the
pattern play out, we're able tolook at what is that actually?
Maybe these are patterns ofcodependency.
Maybe they're patterns ofpeople pleasing, maybe they're
patterns of egocentric.
What are the patterns that aredisrupting our ability to be and
(07:05):
feel secure in something?
That's the first part ofawareness is understanding what
is it actually not, what does itfeel like?
What is it actually, by a veryrealistic perspective, actually
(07:29):
are, so that they can help yousee and navigate where these
patterns are playing out andwhat they're actually called
from a psychological standpoint.
That's the first part ofawareness.
The second part of awareness isunderstanding where did these
patterns originate?
Now, as a childhood expert, asan inner child therapist, I of
(07:54):
course go back to childhood.
I look at attachment, I look atego, development phases and I
begin to understand where thisdysregulation, where this false
belief system originated.
And this can be a verydifficult process because there
is oftentimes some shedding ofthe understanding of what a
(08:17):
relationship actually is versuswhat we really hoped it would be
, and there can be a lot ofcognitive dissidence, meaning I
believe this or I think this,yet I feel this, and that can be
a longer process that manypeople are really wanting to
invest in because there is thissense of really hoping things
(08:41):
are different than what they are.
But it's the place we have tostart.
We have to know what itactually is and where did it
originate.
Now the second phase is calledacceptance.
Acceptance is a tricky, stickyplace, because acceptance
(09:01):
requires us to step into a placeof.
I recognize that I am notresponsible for the creation of
these patterns.
The creation of these patternshappened in a part of my
development, that I had no otherchoice but to develop these
patterns, to seek safety andconnection with my caregivers.
And I have to takeresponsibility with how I am
(09:27):
victimizing myself today, how Iam actively participating in my
own hurt, in my own woundedness,by continuing these patterns as
an adult, and I am no longerwilling to do that.
This is where a lot of peoplecan get stuck.
It's called the threshold ofwork.
(09:48):
We don't want to go back tobeing unconscious, so to speak.
Yet we really, really, reallywant a sense of justice.
It's hard to grapple with thefact that in childhood there was
some conditioning that led tous having these patterns in
adulthood that have been very,very painful, and we can only
(10:12):
control ourselves.
We can only make the choice toheal for ourselves.
No one else can make thatchoice for us and we can't make
that choice for them.
So acceptance requires us todetach from what others are
(10:33):
willing to do in their ownhealing work.
So, let's say, I'm working witha couple.
This is a point at which we canno longer blame each other for
what they are doing.
We can no longer dwell what wecall a fear cycle, meaning if
you meet my needs, then I willchange.
If you do what you need to do,then I will do what I need to do
.
No, this is a point at whichyou have to fully accept and
(10:55):
consciously choose to dosomething different because it's
for your greatest good.
You have to accept that youhave to love and choose yourself
and your healing before andabove anybody else's changes.
And this is tough.
This is our little innerteenager wanting justice,
(11:18):
wanting to be seen, wanting tobe heard and oftentimes that
just does not happen.
We have to do it for ourselves,not happen.
We have to do it for ourselves.
And then the third step iscalled inspired action.
And inspired action is such abeautiful space to be because
(11:38):
you have crossed the thresholdof acceptance and you are ready.
You are so ready to come backinto authenticity in this world.
You are so ready to be anintegrity, to shine in the way
that you were always made toshine, knowing you are good and
worthy and valuable just as youare.
And this is where you get to doa lot of really yummy work
around.
Who are you really?
(11:58):
You know before all of thewoundedness occurred in
childhood, what makes you you,what sets you apart, what makes
you shine?
How do you move in this worldwith purpose, out of service?
And this is the place where wefind so much joy and so much
love, first for ourselves andthen for other people.
(12:22):
And in this work we really arevery specific in who we are.
We write down ourcharacteristics, we speak about
what is healthy for us and whatis not healthy for us, and we
live in integrity under thatframework every day, consciously
.
Is this something that isauthentic to me Am I in
(12:44):
integrity?
And listen.
Life can be messy, life can beweird.
We can be a little messy, wecan be a little weird.
That's part of what makes us usand we have to accept those
parts and move through that parttoo.
Live in this world playfully,live in this world joyfully, be
(13:04):
intuitive, be funny, be wise,attune to animals, attune to
children Whatever makes us sounique and special.
We do that every single day,consciously.
Now, the final piece of thispodcast we're going to talk
about what is the shadow part ofthe healing work.
(13:27):
We're going to talk about whatis the shadow part of the
healing work, and this is adifficult concept because until
you start understanding thehealing process and the healing
cycle, you will be very, verysusceptible to people's healing
narrative and unfortunately,like I said, not everybody will
be available to heal in thisworld.
(13:49):
Some people will continue to bein self-destructive patterns,
and not only self-destructive,but patterns that harm others.
So, unfortunately, some peoplehave learned the healing
narrative and talk about healing, but they talk about healing
from a place of superiority.
I have done my healing work.
(14:09):
I have healed.
You need to do your healingwork.
This is clearly an unhealedpart, almost from a lens, of I
am better than you, I am wiserthan you from a place of healing
.
Now, this can be shrouded inspirituality, it can be shrouded
(14:30):
in religion, it can be shroudedin just people being out there
giving healing advice.
Understand that healing is donevery quietly, it's done in a
very sacred space, in a verysacred space.
(14:52):
It's done with what I call thebones of grief.
It's not something we proclaim,it's not something we brag
about, it's something we embody.
And it's very, very, veryevident when you are with
somebody who has completedseveral rounds of their own
healing cycles, because theirpresence feels grounding, it
(15:13):
feels inviting, it feels kindand it feels like a source of
love.
There's no judgment, there's noshame, there's no calling out,
there's no proclamation.
Calling out there's noproclamation, there's no showing
(15:34):
, the evidence of it just exists.
So be very mindful of people whowant to use healing as a source
of superiority, as a source ofmaking you feel less than, or
that you should aspire to wherethey're at.
Healing is a connection back tothe divine and that is only a
(15:55):
source of love and care andkindness, and through healing we
embody that as we move throughthis earth.
So anyone who uses theirhealing as an example or as a
status that you should achieveor aspire to be towards.
That's manipulation of thehealing cycle.
(16:16):
We are all in this journey andeven those that aren't going to
really be able to have theprivilege of being available for
healing, we still sit in aplace of love and joy and
kindness for those people, maybewith boundaries because maybe
they're coming from a place ofmanipulation, but we still hold
(16:37):
space for those people from aplace of love and care and
kindness, but without access tous.
So I hope this gave a littlebit of an explanation of what
healing is.
We'll be having some othervideos around particular
patterns that people have gonethrough the healing cycle in,
and I will go into more depth ofeach of these phases and other
(17:01):
podcasts.
But again, thank you forjoining us today.
Please feel free to reach out,subscribe and like and, as
always, if there's a topic thatyou would really like to hear
about, please send us a DM or amessage.
We would love to be able tohighlight that in our upcoming
episodes.
Anyway, you're good, you'reworthy and you're valuable.
Go, have an amazing day.
Hello and welcome to.
And Still we Rise.
My name is Christine and I amyour host, and today we are
talking about healing.
What the actual hell is healing, how do you do it?
And, from the shadow side, whatare some of the misuses and
manipulations of healing?
So, with that said, let's getstarted.
(00:24):
Manipulations of healing.
So, with that said, let's getstarted.
So healing is such a buzzword intoday's world, especially
within our very enlightened, youknow, waking up to the
intuitive type of world thatwe're living in right now, where
everybody is so consciouslyaware of the need for self-work
Now, I say everyone, but we allknow not everyone will be
(00:46):
available to do the healing work, but it is such a topic of
conversation as we go intoconnections in this world.
So it's really important tounderstand, from an individual's
perspective, what healingactually is.
And healing is not a place youget to, it's not this
destination.
(01:06):
Healing is this ongoing processof becoming consciously aware
of patterns and belief systemsthat are creating angst in your
life and you are no longeravailable to continue them.
So healing is really the cyclethat we may go into many times
(01:29):
throughout our life when webecome consciously aware of
something is no longer workingfor us.
Now understand that noteveryone is going to be
available to do the healing workin this world is going to be
available to do the healing workin this world.
Honestly, if we really thinkabout it.
Some of us have the privilegeof being able to be consciously
(01:51):
aware.
Not all of us are living withinthe survival mode of life, so
if we look at some people thatreally don't even have the
capacity to have their basicneeds met, like food, shelter,
clothing, safety within theirown body, being called to the
(02:12):
healing work is really notsomething that they can access
at this moment, because it's notsafe to even be within their
own body, to even take a momentto be present with what is a
more subconscious need at thislevel.
It's really about trying tosurvive in this world, whether
that's a physical lack of safetyor a psychological lack of
(02:38):
safety.
Some people will just not beable to or available to do this
work in this life.
But if you're someone who'slistening to this podcast, I
feel like you're probablysomebody who is.
So, with that being said, let'stalk about what the healing
cycle is.
Again, it's a process, and sothe way that I like to describe
(03:03):
it is called the healing cycle,knowing that it's cyclical and
that as we complete a cycle, wemay become more and more aware
of other cycles that need to belooked at within itself too, and
for your convenience, I'llactually add a link to this
podcast where you can access alittle infographic that talks
(03:23):
about the healing cycle.
So the first phase of healing issomething that I call awareness
.
Awareness is when weconsciously begin to recognize
that something is not okay.
We begin to feel the sense ofdysregulation within our bodies.
This is not something that wethink, this is something we feel
(03:46):
.
We begin to say this is notokay with me, something doesn't
feel right.
Now, this may be somethingwithin a relationship, maybe
it's a pattern within arelationship where we begin to
recognize this doesn't feel safeto me, this doesn't feel right.
(04:07):
Something is just not okay inthis relationship.
I can't put my finger on it,but I can sense it.
Maybe it's a self-destructivebehavior.
This is not okay for me toparticipate in.
I am not okay doing thesethings.
Whether it's substance use,whether it's promiscuity,
(04:30):
whether it's harming the body,there is some self-destructive
behavior that we becomeconsciously aware of is not okay
for us.
Or third, and this is actually,one of my most satisfying types
of clients to work with is whenour bodies can't actually put
(04:51):
words to it, but it knows thatsomething is not okay, and this
is what we call somaticresponses to stress.
This is the dysregulationwithin our body, as if our body
is like this alarm system,saying you may not be able to
consciously tell yourself thatsomething's not okay, but I am
(05:11):
alerting you that something isnot okay.
This can show up as prevalencein panic attacks.
What I see a lot of isdifferent centers of the body
having some type of somaticresponse.
Oftentimes, a lot of my clientscome in with some type of
throat issue whether it's a tick, whether it's a feeling of
(05:35):
something caught in the throat,whether it's nausea, whether
it's a fear of vomiting butthere's some part of the body
that cannot be attributed tosomething else physically.
They've gone to doctors,they've gone to holistic healers
and they cannot find anythinggoing on within the body that
(05:56):
would explain what is going onin that particular center.
So the body itself is sayingalert, alert, I am not okay.
You've been off the grid andI'm going to light you up so
that you pay attention to me,become aware.
(06:20):
And this is where we becomevery consciously aware of what
this actually is Right.
So let's say we're in arelationship and the dynamic
within a partner or let's say,parent, child or friendship or
(06:42):
work relationship the dynamic iswhat is alerting us to
something is not OK.
And as we explore what thatpattern is and we see the
pattern play out, we're able tolook at what is that actually?
Maybe these are patterns ofcodependency.
Maybe they're patterns ofpeople pleasing, maybe they're
patterns of egocentric.
What are the patterns that aredisrupting our ability to be and
(07:05):
feel secure in something?
That's the first part ofawareness is understanding what
is it actually not, what does itfeel like?
What is it actually, by a veryrealistic perspective, actually
(07:29):
are, so that they can help yousee and navigate where these
patterns are playing out andwhat they're actually called
from a psychological standpoint.
That's the first part ofawareness.
The second part of awareness isunderstanding where did these
patterns originate?
Now, as a childhood expert, asan inner child therapist, I of
(07:54):
course go back to childhood.
I look at attachment, I look atego, development phases and I
begin to understand where thisdysregulation, where this false
belief system originated.
And this can be a verydifficult process because there
is oftentimes some shedding ofthe understanding of what a
(08:17):
relationship actually is versuswhat we really hoped it would be
, and there can be a lot ofcognitive dissidence, meaning I
believe this or I think this,yet I feel this, and that can be
a longer process that manypeople are really wanting to
invest in because there is thissense of really hoping things
(08:41):
are different than what they are.
But it's the place we have tostart.
We have to know what itactually is and where did it
originate.
Now the second phase is calledacceptance.
Acceptance is a tricky, stickyplace, because acceptance
(09:01):
requires us to step into a placeof.
I recognize that I am notresponsible for the creation of
these patterns.
The creation of these patternshappened in a part of my
development, that I had no otherchoice but to develop these
patterns, to seek safety andconnection with my caregivers.
And I have to takeresponsibility with how I am
(09:27):
victimizing myself today, how Iam actively participating in my
own hurt, in my own woundedness,by continuing these patterns as
an adult, and I am no longerwilling to do that.
This is where a lot of peoplecan get stuck.
It's called the threshold ofwork.
(09:48):
We don't want to go back tobeing unconscious, so to speak.
Yet we really, really, reallywant a sense of justice.
It's hard to grapple with thefact that in childhood there was
some conditioning that led tous having these patterns in
adulthood that have been very,very painful, and we can only
(10:12):
control ourselves.
We can only make the choice toheal for ourselves.
No one else can make thatchoice for us and we can't make
that choice for them.
So acceptance requires us todetach from what others are
(10:33):
willing to do in their ownhealing work.
So, let's say, I'm working witha couple.
This is a point at which we canno longer blame each other for
what they are doing.
We can no longer dwell what wecall a fear cycle, meaning if
you meet my needs, then I willchange.
If you do what you need to do,then I will do what I need to do
.
No, this is a point at whichyou have to fully accept and
(10:55):
consciously choose to dosomething different because it's
for your greatest good.
You have to accept that youhave to love and choose yourself
and your healing before andabove anybody else's changes.
And this is tough.
This is our little innerteenager wanting justice,
(11:18):
wanting to be seen, wanting tobe heard and oftentimes that
just does not happen.
We have to do it for ourselves,not happen.
We have to do it for ourselves.
And then the third step iscalled inspired action.
And inspired action is such abeautiful space to be because
(11:38):
you have crossed the thresholdof acceptance and you are ready.
You are so ready to come backinto authenticity in this world.
You are so ready to be anintegrity, to shine in the way
that you were always made toshine, knowing you are good and
worthy and valuable just as youare.
And this is where you get to doa lot of really yummy work
around.
Who are you really?
(11:58):
You know before all of thewoundedness occurred in
childhood, what makes you you,what sets you apart, what makes
you shine?
How do you move in this worldwith purpose, out of service?
And this is the place where wefind so much joy and so much
love, first for ourselves andthen for other people.
(12:22):
And in this work we really arevery specific in who we are.
We write down ourcharacteristics, we speak about
what is healthy for us and whatis not healthy for us, and we
live in integrity under thatframework every day, consciously
.
Is this something that isauthentic to me Am I in
(12:44):
integrity?
And listen.
Life can be messy, life can beweird.
We can be a little messy, wecan be a little weird.
That's part of what makes us usand we have to accept those
parts and move through that parttoo.
Live in this world playfully,live in this world joyfully, be
(13:04):
intuitive, be funny, be wise,attune to animals, attune to
children Whatever makes us sounique and special.
We do that every single day,consciously.
Now, the final piece of thispodcast we're going to talk
about what is the shadow part ofthe healing work.
(13:27):
We're going to talk about whatis the shadow part of the
healing work, and this is adifficult concept because until
you start understanding thehealing process and the healing
cycle, you will be very, verysusceptible to people's healing
narrative and unfortunately,like I said, not everybody will
be available to heal in thisworld.
(13:49):
Some people will continue to bein self-destructive patterns,
and not only self-destructive,but patterns that harm others.
So, unfortunately, some peoplehave learned the healing
narrative and talk about healing, but they talk about healing
from a place of superiority.
I have done my healing work.
(14:09):
I have healed.
You need to do your healingwork.
This is clearly an unhealedpart, almost from a lens, of I
am better than you, I am wiserthan you from a place of healing
.
Now, this can be shrouded inspirituality, it can be shrouded
(14:30):
in religion, it can be shroudedin just people being out there
giving healing advice.
Understand that healing is donevery quietly, it's done in a
very sacred space, in a verysacred space.
(14:52):
It's done with what I call thebones of grief.
It's not something we proclaim,it's not something we brag
about, it's something we embody.
And it's very, very, veryevident when you are with
somebody who has completedseveral rounds of their own
healing cycles, because theirpresence feels grounding, it
(15:13):
feels inviting, it feels kindand it feels like a source of
love.
There's no judgment, there's noshame, there's no calling out,
there's no proclamation.
Calling out there's noproclamation, there's no showing
(15:34):
, the evidence of it just exists.
So be very mindful of people whowant to use healing as a source
of superiority, as a source ofmaking you feel less than, or
that you should aspire to wherethey're at.
Healing is a connection back tothe divine and that is only a
(15:55):
source of love and care andkindness, and through healing we
embody that as we move throughthis earth.
So anyone who uses theirhealing as an example or as a
status that you should achieveor aspire to be towards.
That's manipulation of thehealing cycle.
(16:16):
We are all in this journey andeven those that aren't going to
really be able to have theprivilege of being available for
healing, we still sit in aplace of love and joy and
kindness for those people, maybewith boundaries because maybe
they're coming from a place ofmanipulation, but we still hold
(16:37):
space for those people from aplace of love and care and
kindness, but without access tous.
So I hope this gave a littlebit of an explanation of what
healing is.
We'll be having some othervideos around particular
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