December 7, 2023 • 37 mins
A dive into the Gartner-Denowh Angus Ranch with Chad Denowh. We discuss his thoughts on the ideal cow and some of the famous herd sires they've owned.
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david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (00:30):
All right.
On today's podcast, we have ChadDenao from Garner Denao Angus
ranch.
I really look forward to thispodcast this is how we started
this podcast.
I called my good friend Coreyone day and I said, Hey, do you
know anything about this GDARall in bull?
He says, no, I don't knowanything about them.
What do you know about the Denaoprogram?
What size of their cattle?
You know, what do you, what doyou think of the cattle?
(00:51):
What were they like?
I don't know.
What do you know about them?
I don't know a damn thing.
And we're mulled over andtalking and I said, you know,
this would be a great topic fora podcast.
Just to go dive deep intopeople's programs so that people
can go to them and say, oh, oh,that's what they do.
Yeah, they're going to fit me orthey don't fit what I want to
do.
So Chad, you're how this wholething started.
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21 (01:13):
Really that's, uh, that's kinda hard to
believe I guess, but
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (01:16):
It is.
It's all because of that dingbowl all in.
Speaking of all in, I, later onI want to deep dive into that
bowl.
Could you guys name somethingelse?
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21-2 (01:24):
name of something else.
You don't like all that.
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (01:26):
Uh, no, cause the other one was
horrific.
Horrific.
I know I'm throwing stones andthrowing a huge rock, but it's
true.
I had a couple of all ins and,they aren't In the Creek cattle
program any longer, they didn'tsurvive.
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-2 (01:39):
Gotcha.
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (01:40):
All right.
we're pretty lucky to have youdo this podcast.
I think what you're the fourth,maybe fifth generation at
Gardner now.
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21- (01:47):
Well, fifth at the Gartner de Know six
on the ranch here,
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (01:51):
Okay.
All right.
We'll start right there.
Take us through the historicalstart of GD AR.
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21-2 (01:57):
well it started in the fifties.
I think they 56 maybe.
They bought their first Anguscows and it was my
great-grandpa, uh, Joe Gartnerand his son-in-Law, Russ Deno,
uh, that actually started it,and that's why it's Gartner dno.
Um, currently it's all DNOs onthe ranch, but uh, my grandma
was the oldest of 10 sisters.
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And so there was no gardenersthat came back, but, um, they
bought their first ones in 56.
I think the first sales like 68or something before that they
were just private treatingbowls.
Um, and I guess grandpa, he kindof bucked the trend back in the
day.
He was going for bigger cattle,you know, in those days, they
were pretty small cattle, um, hewas going for more performance
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cattle, um, but always keepingan eye on the maternal, of
course.
Um, and then I guess later onwhen the cattle got really big,
he just tried to stay true toour, uh, philosophy and kept the
cattle kind of what he thoughtwas the right size and that
pendulum just kind of swingsback and forth, you know, and
it, it came back.
I would say, um, Oh, what else?
(03:00):
Uh, currently there's me, mydad, uh, Mick, my uncle, Paul,
my cousin, Casey, are all theDano's on the place.
So it's still a family runoperation.
Um, the kids are starting to getinto it now too.
So hopefully it keeps going.
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (03:15):
you guys have a deep history, into
the breed.
You guys have had some of themost historical bulls.
If anybody has kind of any kindof semblance of history of the
breed would know is.
QAS Traveler 23.
4.
You guys kind of started theRainmaker deal with GDAR
Rainmaker and then a little wellknown bull named Traveler 6807.
(03:37):
Kind of go through some of thatprocurement of picking those
bulls out.
the history of those bulls, whatthey've done with the breed.
Um, just go right from there.
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21- (03:46):
Well, it was my dad that actually, um.
bought traveler, um, with the,with Sitsa Stevenson's and
Roland Rock Angus
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (03:54):
Which Traveler?
Cause we had a 23.
4 in it.
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21-2 (03:56):
Yep.
QAS 23 dash four.
Um, and at that time, I thinkthey spent, I think it was 60 or
something.
There's a lot for a bull backthen.
And I remember him saying hetells the story way better than
I ever could.
You know, I wasn't, I was only athought back then, but, um.
He, he called home and grandpacouldn't believe what he paid
for that bull.
And then he told him he hadpartners, of course, but, uh,
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that bull probably had thebiggest impact on our herd.
Um, and in the breed he was, youknow, until a couple other bulls
came along, but, uh, in 6807,he, he wasn't probably for
everybody, um, more of aperformance bull, but more in
moderate, um, just.
a female producer, I would say.
Um, I, we still used them somewhen I was a kid, I guess.
(04:41):
But, um, left a great set offemales.
Um, both bulls had a huge impacton the breed.
Of course, Traveler.
There are so many Traveler bullsout there and we raised a lot of
them.
I can, I can think of Traveler3173, Traveler 71.
Um, there's a ton of Travelerinfluence in the breed.
He was the kind of bull that youcould kind of line up and it
worked, you know.
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So, um, other bulls, uh, we hadthat Rideau 2100 bull too had a
big impact on our, on probablybefore Traveler.
Um, Traveler 1148 was anothergood female producer.
So,
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (05:14):
And that Rainmaker bull,
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21-2 (05:15):
yep.
And Rainmaker.
Um, And we still, oh, we usedsome Rainmaker here a few years
ago and, and they still do agood job.
Um, uh, and you still see someRainmaker bloodlines out there,
I guess, um, doing it.
Um, I, I think that will
david_1_11-21-2023_18071 (05:30):
keeps, keeps rolling on down the line.
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21-202 (05:32):
It sure does.
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (05:33):
So speaking of your herd and you,
you're talking about the size,the moderation, what size cattle
are you guys running?
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21-20 (05:39):
Oh, our mature cows are going to
average about 1350.
Um, we'll have a few, some cowsbigger than that, and that's for
our environment.
That's where we try to keepthem.
Um,
david_1_11-21-2023_18071 (05:47):
what's frame.
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21 (05:48):
frame, frame would be about five and a
half, I would say on theaverage.
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (05:51):
Okay, so a little more moderate.
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21-2 (05:53):
Yep.
We're a little bit moremoderate.
You know, we want to keep thembig enough to work for the, for
the feeders.
Um, but moderate enough to, uh,work in our environment.
Um, I, I firmly believe thatcows are where the money's made,
you know, if you can have a cowthat stays in the herd every
year and raises a calf, um,we're, uh, about a 12 inch
rainfall area here where we runthese cows, um, so, uh, we just
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feel if we get them too big,they're just not gonna, they're
gonna come in dry at the end ofthe year, so,
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (06:20):
I say where you're at, you're in
Sydney, Montana.
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21-2 (06:23):
yes, sir,
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (06:24):
They call it West Dakota.
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21 (06:25):
pretty much, we're on the 80 miles from
Canada, so,
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (06:28):
Well, you probably don't get a lot of
ranch visits out there.
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21-20 (06:31):
oh, we get some, but yeah, we're out
of the way, that's for sure,we're
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (06:34):
and few between.
Not only do you guys have a longhistory with, with, on the sire
side.
You guys have an amazing historywith, especially with the
Forever Ladies.
Did you guys start the ForeverLady line?
That family line?
How did that come about?
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21-202 (06:46):
We did.
We bought, uh, a bull from KandyAngus here that was actually
located in Sydney also.
Um, and that, and that bullstarted the Forever line.
Um, Forever Ladies, um, wherethey came from.
Uh, we had Forever Lady 395 wasprobably the most famous one.
And I do remember her when I wasa kid.
She was just an amazing cow.
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (07:07):
On that cow, expand on that.
What did she do?
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21-202 (07:10):
oh she just, you know, we kind of
had some partners with her.
Um, Sunny Valley Ranch andstuff.
They, um, kind of, a lot ofembryo work.
So.
A lot of our cows now will goback to her.
Um, she had some daughters thatdid a heck of a job too.
Um,
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (07:24):
Any famous sires?
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21- (07:25):
yeah, the, you know, I think, I
believe that Traveler 234D was agrandson and 216LTD,
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (07:31):
This 57 D does she come out of that
cow line
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21- (07:35):
since a lot of this was when I was a
kid.
So hopefully I get it right.
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (07:37):
I gotcha.
I gotcha.
Well, your dad, your dad can letyou know afterwards
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21-20 (07:41):
Oh, he will.
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (07:42):
So what other cow families came
through your guys's?
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21-20 (07:45):
Oh, the Rachel's have had a big
impact here.
Um, and more currently, we havea a Miss Wick's line that's done
a good job.
Um, we had a pretty prolificdonor cow and a lot of our um,
good young cows right now goback to her.
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (07:57):
So what's your guys' breeding
philosophy?
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21-20 (07:59):
Um, that's a tough one.
Uh, we kind of start with thecow.
You know, we kind of grandpaalways said if you, if you
select for the cow, everythingelse will fall into place.
Um, and so I say we select forthe cow, but we kind of wanted
to do everything, you know, wewant her to, to raise
performance cattle, feedlotcattle, uh, cattle that grade,
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um, but we never forget aboutour goal that we want to
structurally correct, easykeeping.
female that breeds back everyyear and obviously raises a good
calf.
So we, we think our customersare the commercial cowmen and,
and we really try to raisebulls, um, that are going to
produce females that are goingto stay in their herd and make
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them as much profit as possible.
So
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (08:43):
Now?
You guys run them pretty hardout there, don't you?
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21-202 (08:45):
we do, we run in big pastures, um,
and we have a commercial herdalso that runs in really rough
country.
Um, and so we put a pretty goodtest on these cows.
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (08:54):
You guys are not talking acres.
You're talking sections outthere.
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21-2 (08:57):
Yep.
Yeah, our, uh, where theregistered cows run, those
pastures are one to twosections, um, big and.
It's eastern Montana.
The winters aren't easy and thesummers are tough, but it puts a
pretty good test on those onthose cows And we let mother
nature kind of weed them out.
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (09:14):
You do a little more with the bulls
and you do with the heifers whenyou bring'em on in.
How do you guys manage them upto sale time?
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21-20 (09:19):
Oh, we feed all our own bulls So
they go they come directly offthe cow into our feedlot and
Obviously, we're in a little bittougher country our weaning
weights aren't huge But we tryto keep them at about three and
a quarter
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (09:32):
idea what that would be.
What, what is
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21-20 (09:33):
our our will average about 680 on
the whole bunch Um, yeah, I
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (09:39):
right off desert.
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21-202 (09:39):
if we hit an 800 pound calf, that's
pretty good.
david_1_11-21-2023_18071 (09:42):
That's probably the the outlier, right?
That's
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21- (09:44):
yeah, those would be our outliers.
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (09:47):
lot one bull.
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21- (09:47):
yeah, hopefully, yeah.
Um, and we'll, we'll band abouta third of them bulls.
And we just take them right offthe bottom and send them to a
feedlot, get some carcass databack on those.
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (09:58):
What causes a bull to get banded?
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21-202 (10:00):
It mainly weaning weight, but
we'll, we'll do it if we, if wedon't like his mother or
something too, or too much birthweight, just pretty much if
they're not going to fit what wewant to sell in the bull sale.
So we'll end up with keepingabout 300 bulls on test.
And we'll try to sell about 250of those in the bull sale.
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (10:16):
So when you guys put them on test
Is is like a true test typething?
How do you guys do it on test?
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21- (10:22):
Yeah, it's a performance test.
So they, uh, we use the weaningweight to go on to test with,
uh, uh, and then we take a, youknow, we have a gain ratio at
the end, so it's a, it's a truetest.
Yeah.
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (10:34):
And then do you then cut the bottom
quarter bottom third off that?
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21-202 (10:39):
At that point.
Yeah.
We cut them off for performance,um, scrotal circumference, um,
structural soundness, et cetera.
Um, try to get the best qualitywe can offer our customers.
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (10:51):
And then do you scan carcass?
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21-202 (10:53):
We do, we still ultrasound.
Um, you know, even the DNA kindof overrides everything, but we,
uh, we think it's important toget that data into the system,
so.
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (11:02):
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david_2_11-21-2023_182 (11:40):
Alright, we're back with Chad Deneau.
I think we said sixth generationat Gardner Deneau.
Alright, well I, I know a littlebit of your history because you
guys have it on the internet, soit's pretty easy to see on your
guys webpage.
But at one point in time, youkind of left and went to
college, right?
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-2 (11:57):
Yes, I did.
Yep.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (11:58):
did you end up back on the farm?
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-20 (11:59):
Um, I always wanted to come back.
Um, it's just what I wanted todo.
Um, I grew up working here onthe ranch, um, majored in
livestock management at college,and it was just my goal.
Um.
And they've been really great tome.
I, they've given me a lot ofleeway here on, on what we're
doing.
And, um, I guess I'm kind of incharge of the genetics now.
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Um, dad still gives me his 2cents, but my uncle and my
cousin are more kind of thefarming side and we all pitch in
everywhere, but.
I'm kind of running the geneticsnow.
So
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (12:29):
I think it's pretty amazing when
you can get a family that workstogether.
I come from a family thatcouldn't work together.
I always say my, my dad was ahorrible boss and I was a
terrible employee.
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-2 (12:39):
there's days, yeah, yeah.
It's trying, but
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (12:42):
You picked the genetics?
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21- (12:43):
yeah, I do most of the ranch
management and, and genetics.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (12:47):
I see how your dad does that.
So if everything is a trainwreck, it's Chad's fault.
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21- (12:51):
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
That's, that's right now.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (12:53):
You gotta kind of have a real
marriage.
You're married to an artisan.
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-2 (12:57):
Yes, sir.
Yep.
Doug Arnson's daughter.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (12:59):
How many kids?
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-20 (13:00):
Oh, we have three daughters.
david_2_11-21-2023_18213 (13:01):
That's what I got.
I got three girls too.
Uh, but two boys.
Two boys as well.
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-20 (13:05):
Oh, wow.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (13:06):
'em?
Yeah.
You wanna borrow some for, forthe summer?
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-2023 (13:09):
I could use some help.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (13:10):
you borrow one.
You can work'em to work'em tothe ground.
All right, circle back on that.
You, uh, get to pick out thegenetics.
Do you guys use any outsidebulls?
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-202 (13:19):
We try to sample a bull or two
every year if they, if we canfind one that fits our program.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (13:23):
Okay.
So what fits your program?
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-20 (13:25):
You got to have a, you know, the
balance trait, balance of allthe traits that we're looking
for, you know, moderate birth,um, performance, number one,
structural soundness, and Iappeal, we still want them to
show some muscle, have somethickness, have some capacity
and springer rib, um, tightsheathed, you know, we're, we
work really hard on scrotal andudders.
(13:45):
Um, and a lot of times we'llwant to see the cow before we
buy a bull or we sample a bull.
Um, right now it's just
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (13:51):
Do you go to the ranch to go see
the
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21- (13:53):
yeah, a lot of times we do.
Sometimes we'll sample onewithout, but, um, the, the big
thing right now is feet.
Everybody says that andeverybody's doing it, but we're,
we're doing our dang hardest toreally improve feet right now.
So,
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (14:05):
Has your her had any issues with
feet in the past or?
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-202 (14:09):
oh yeah, I think all herds have.
Um, I've seen it in all, all thebloodlines that we've used too.
Um, some are worse than othersand, and, uh, I think, And some
of the feet were just marginal,but we're just really trying to,
to make them really good now.
You
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (14:23):
I gotcha.
I got those cows out there that,man, I'm always, I'm always
checking the feet.
Like, every week I go out thereand stand among them, check the
feet, check the feet, check thefeet.
And there's two culprits thatI'm always waiting for them to
go bad, and they haven't gonebad.
If you ever ask me, what do youthink of the feet?
They're not good, but they'renot bad.
You know what I mean?
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-2 (14:42):
they're not bad
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (14:43):
They could be better.
They could be a lot better, but,but, uh, they're not bad.
No screw claw yet anyways.
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-2023 (14:49):
I had a guy tell me once, uh, that
he toured around with my grandpaand this was before my time.
And he said, the one thing aboutyour grandpa was he never, he
always found something wrongwith every cow on your place.
And, and I've always rememberedthat.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (15:01):
I call that being, barn blind.
You know how, you can be barnblind one way where you think
all your cattle are great.
I'm on the other side of thatwhere I'm always looking out
there thinking, yeah, they needto go to the slaughter plant,
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21- (15:12):
Yeah.
I'm more that way too.
Yeah.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (15:14):
Every day I'm sending them to the
slaughter plant, and then I goover to somebody else's place
and I'm like, oh yeah, my cowsaren't that bad.
I got them on the truck headingout on Tuesday.
If you talked to me a weekbefore that.
You know, I was, I was gonna,uh, wrap around on something
with you.
Uh, with the kids.
you were saying that you gotthree daughters.
Are they involved in the ranch?
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21- (15:32):
Yeah.
You know, it seems like kids arebusier nowadays than, than I
remember being, but as much asthey can, um, they're really
involved.
Um, they all have a cow and, um,they kind of follow her through.
Um, they do the 4 H thing, youknow, and, and my oldest
daughter started in FFA, um,which is great and livestock
judging.
Um, but I, yeah, I take them outas much as possible and have
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them work.
I think it's the right way toraise kids.
And I think it's a good way toraise kids.
So
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (15:59):
Each cow, each kid gets a cow,
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-2 (16:02):
Cow, did I say that wrong?
Sorry.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (16:03):
each kid gets a cow, do they get to
pick the mating?
Do they?
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-202 (16:08):
If they want to, yeah.
Yeah, I,
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (16:10):
pick it?
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-20 (16:11):
um, Yeah, they helped me pick them
last year, I believe.
Yeah,
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (16:14):
Do you make, do you do a short
list, or do they get the whole,they get the entire Angus
universe?
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-202 (16:19):
we keep it pretty short.
Yeah, they have to pick out whatI'm using.
Yeah,
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (16:22):
heh heh heh heh heh, what's in dad's
semen tank is what they get.
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-2 (16:26):
yep, yep.
And that's one of our, uh, ourstrategies too is we kind of try
to limit the number of bullswe're using.
Make those big sire groups forour customers.
So,
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (16:34):
true.
How many bulls you typicallysell in a year, maybe 200,
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-20 (16:38):
uh, last year was close, it was
probably 290 last year that wesold.
Total, yeah.
With the
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (16:43):
you don't have, and you don't have
12 side groups.
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21- (16:45):
Nope, we, we try to limit it to, yeah,
to all 14.
We'll use 8 cleanup bullstypically.
And some of them bulls will bebulls that we'll AI to also, so.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (16:56):
But I mean, your AI offering is, is
pretty darn tight.
you'll see programs where theysell that many and it's 30
different bulls.
You guys seem to have kind of atight program, which I
appreciate because it feels likeyou guys know where you're
going.
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21- (17:08):
Yeah, we try.
Yeah.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (17:09):
You try.
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21- (17:10):
yeah,
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (17:11):
Well, this is kind of my favorite part
of the show.
Um, we get to talk about somebulls.
So I may name off some bulls.
Have you listened to the showbefore?
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-20 (17:19):
no,
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (17:19):
You didn't listen to it?
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-20 (17:20):
no, I haven't.
david_2_11-21-2023_182 (17:21):
Alright, so I name off some bulls, um,
You're gonna have some historywith them.
I want you to kinda give me thegood, bad, the ugly, you know,
what you think about them.
You ready for this?
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-2 (17:31):
Sure thing.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (17:32):
So the first one is gonna be G
Let's go, actually, I'm gonnachange this up.
Let's go to KG Justified.
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21- (17:38):
Sure.
Um, that's a bull that didn'tget enough recognition early on.
Um, he's been gone, what, threeor four years now, I believe.
Um, we are still using thatbull.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (17:49):
Did he pass?
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21- (17:50):
yeah, he passed away here probably
three or four years ago.
He had a problem with his backand they had put him down.
Um, but what he's, he would be10 years old this year.
Um, if he was still around, um,we've got a ton of daughters.
We've used multiple sons, um,have had sons top our sales.
Um, and the bulls just stilldoing it.
Um, some of my best bulls outthere this year out of them
(18:11):
again.
Um, he's more of a moderatebull, even a touch more moderate
than we typically would useprobably.
But this throws a ton ofthickness and muscle into those
cattle.
Light birth weight heifer bull,you know, the commercial
cowboys.
They just love them light birthweight and they look good And
they got some grow to themdaughters are nice If I'm gonna
pick him apart, you know, hethrows some tail head.
(18:32):
I don't like that.
Maybe a touch too much set tohis back But other than that, I
mean at the time when we boughthim we almost named him captain
obvious He was just thatobvious.
He looked that good.
david_2_11-21-2023_1821 (18:43):
Really?
Really?
So, the sons I have seen, myfriend Cora Croftmole, he's got
a bunch of them.
I know Joe Fisher has used thempretty extensively on his place.
Like I said, the tail head,every now and then that can rear
its ugly head with him.
But Normally, when you see hissons, the balance, the balance
of those, those sons is amazing.
(19:04):
they just, they look athletic.
They look like they're gonnacover.
I, I would say, the ones I'veseen, they're not amazing, but
there's no holes.
It's a no holes kind of bull.
Um, and he's available where?
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-20 (19:18):
um, he's It's kind of hard to find
right now.
Arnson's and us would have semenon him still.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (19:23):
Gen X?
Is Gen X
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-2023 (19:24):
I don't know if Jax does have any
more.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (19:26):
Okay.
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21- (19:27):
They, they, he was a Gen X bull
though.
So,
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (19:29):
I guess you're probably gonna have
a bunch of this one, so let'sjump to one of your bulls.
Uh, G D A R, Justified.
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-20 (19:35):
uh, which one?
914.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (19:37):
The one that's available at Beef360.
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-2 (19:39):
that would be the 914 bull.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (19:41):
Okay.
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-20 (19:41):
Um, he's probably the son I'm
highest on at this point intime.
Um, he adds a tick of moreframe, levels out that tail head
nicely.
Um, the feet are even better andthe feet on the old bull are
good.
The feet on 914 are, areexcellent.
Um, the first daughters justlook awesome.
There's a ranch in, in Arkansasthat bought him from us, Rock
(20:03):
Creek Angus.
Um, they just had a son and adaughter in the, um, Arkansas
state sale.
And, uh, they both topped theircategories.
So,
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (20:12):
Wow.
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-20 (20:13):
um, and, uh, Spickler Ranch North
bought in on the bull this year.
Uh, so we'll be seeing progenymarketed there too.
Uh, they thought enough of himto buy in.
Um, but I can't say enough goodthings about that bull, I guess.
Um, he's a bull that we didn'tuse.
I'll, I'll be honest, his, hismother wasn't like our best cow.
(20:33):
And typically we want bulls outof really good cows, but the
daughters are just flat good.
Um, udders are even better thanthe old bull.
So, um, trying to think of ahole in him.
I mean, he could be a littlemore, uh, a little higher on
IMF.
Maybe the old bulls beats himthere.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (20:51):
Eh.
I don't know.
That whole IMF thing is, Ithink, is a little overrated
sometimes.
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-20 (20:56):
Oh, I, I might agree with you there,
but we still, we still try tocover all the bases, you know,
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (21:01):
This is not gonna be one of your
bulls, but it leads into intosomething that you do have.
Let's go Schaff Resource.
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-20 (21:08):
the 1441 bull, old resource.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (21:11):
A A V Resource.
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-20 (21:12):
Um, we've used him some, uh, they
were very easy to sell.
Of course they had the birthweight, but they had the, the
thickness and muscle that the,the bull buyers like.
Um, they always, they were kindof moderate square.
The females were good.
I wouldn't call them great, butI, I, I do like the daughters
(21:33):
out of them too.
So
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (21:35):
The reason I brought up it You guys
have ownership in Sitz Reload,right?
Is that correct?
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-2 (21:40):
yes, sir.
Yep.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (21:41):
so that, yeah, let's talk about
him.
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-2023 (21:43):
I think reload fixed a couple
issues I had with resource.
Uh, they had a lot better neckextension.
Um, a little bit better builtthrough the shoulders.
He was a calving ease bowl whereI would say resource wasn't.
Um, the reload bull left us anice set of daughters.
Um, and of course, we had theson load up.
(22:03):
I don't know if he was on yourlist of bulls too.
He'd be more of the current bullthat we're
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (22:06):
Hey, hey, hey, don't be jumping
ahead.
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-202 (22:08):
be jumping ahead.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (22:09):
Don't jump ahead.
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-2 (22:10):
But, uh, reload stood on a good set
of feet.
Um, structurally sound.
Um, could have probably had moreperformance if I was going to
knock him somewhere.
We
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (22:18):
So, I went through a catalog.
I like to deep dive into certaingroups, in certain, uh Breeders
catalogs.
Here's one I like to deep diveinto every year.
And then another one you'retalking about Spickler North.
I like deep diving in there inthere as well.
Cause I like to see, you know,what the bottom line looks like.
Are you using these bulls?
Are they in this reload bullkeeps showing up over and over
(22:42):
and over again.
You got a lot of daughters.
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-2 (22:44):
have a lot of daughters and they're
doing the job.
Yep.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (22:47):
And he's, he's a resource son.
So since you jumped up on me,um, so actually he's available
at SG genetics, right?
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-2 (22:54):
Yep.
Yep.
I think they're still loading.
Yep.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (22:57):
And so you, you said load up,
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-2 (22:59):
Yep.
Load up's the bull.
This is the son.
Yep.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (23:01):
talk about load up, tell us what he's
doing.
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-20 (23:03):
Um, load up is a, I'll, I'm trying
to think of what he fixed thatreload had.
He's probably, docility isprobably the biggest thing that
he fixed that the old reloadbowl maybe wasn't great at.
Um, docility on the load ups arereally hard to beat.
The dotters are super nice, niceuttered.
Um, really good on his feet.
(23:25):
And like I said, that'ssomething that we're working
really hard on.
Um.
And he's owned by Arnson's MathFarms and, uh, Nielsen Angus in
Nebraska bought him from us, um,doing a heck of a job at all
three places, um, for my, whatthem guys tell me anyway.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (23:40):
Okay.
Are you guys using them?
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-202 (23:42):
We are, we, uh, we used a son last
year, um, was the first year wedidn't use him, yep, but we've,
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (23:49):
Tell us about his damn
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-20 (23:50):
um, she was a nice cow, I'm trying
to think.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (23:53):
was.
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-20 (23:54):
I'm trying to think if she's still
around or not.
When, I got 1, 500 cows toremember.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (23:58):
Now I gotcha.
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-20 (23:59):
Um, No, she is, I just brought her
home from the donor center.
So, she's got a heck of a setof, uh, of, uh, sons in the sale
coming up here.
So,
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (24:09):
So let's take a little, let's take
a little side trip right there.
You got 1500 head of cattle.
How many of those qualify to bea donor?
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-20 (24:15):
uh, we try to flush, well, when I
say 1, 500, only about 850 ofthose are registered.
The rest are the commercialherd.
Um, but we only flush two tofour cows a year.
And typically, it's an older cowthat's proven herself.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (24:29):
So what makes her proven?
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-20 (24:30):
Um, if she's.
Had enough calves andconsistently done a good enough
job.
Um, I actually have an old cowthat I flushed two years ago.
That's, uh, how old would shebe?
She's 15.
She's still in the herd.
She'd be our oldest cow.
Um, and she, she never raised agreat bull calf, but she has a
ton of daughters that stayed inour herd.
(24:51):
and has good udders, still goodfeet.
Want more cows like her, so weflushed her.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (24:56):
So proven at GDR G D A R isn't a 10
month old heifer.
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-20 (25:01):
Uh, no sir, um, we call pretty hard
for structure, udders,fertility.
Um, if you, if you make it tosix or seven years old here,
you're probably a pretty decentcow, so.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (25:12):
I appreciate that.
Hey, let's take a break righthere.
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david_3_11-21-2023_184 (25:46):
Alright, we're back with Chad Deneau.
From Gardner, Deneau, AngusRanch out there in Sydney,
Montana.
Before I, we stepped away, Iforgot to ask you where people
can get semen for load up.
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-20 (25:57):
Um, he's in, uh, uh, Oh, shoot
breeder link.
david_3_11-21-2023 (26:02):
Breederlink,
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-2 (26:02):
yes, sir.
Yep.
david_3_11-21-2023_184 (26:04):
Alright, so let's now jump to, Spickler,
Whitlock.
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-20 (26:08):
Um, we just, we just used him a
little bit, um, kind of anoutside bowl.
We tested, um.
I guess they had maybe a touchtick more frame on average than
we liked, but we kind of didleave us some good daughters.
Oh, he,
david_3_11-21-2023_184 (26:21):
through, through catalog, that's why I
pulled them up.
Quite a few of them in there.
Alright, so now we're, let'sjump to, let's go to, uh, 21AR
Rainmaker.
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-2 (26:29):
he's a bull.
That was kind of an outlier forperformance at 21 Angus ranch
that year.
Um, we bought him and, uh, andthen after we bought him, uh,
uh, Baldrige Angus bought in onhim too.
So they, they use them downthere also.
Um.
He has a touch more frame andperformance probably than what
our average herd sire wouldhave.
Um, really big scrotal, uh,leaving us a, a nice set of
(26:51):
daughters.
Um, they're probably average ontheir feet I would say.
Um, we're probably be the lastset of them would be this year
that we're going to sell.
All the way back to Rainmaker.
Has a
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (27:02):
And, and you kind of left out.
I mean, he goes all the wayback.
Pedigree goes all the way back.
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-2 (27:07):
back in there.
Yeah,
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (27:09):
Would you know offhand how many
generations it is?
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21- (27:11):
it's, I went back in it, it wants,
it's, it's way back there.
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (27:15):
Yeah, it's way back there.
That is, that is pretty amazingthough.
I think Gen X has a Rainmakerbowl.
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21- (27:20):
Yeah, uh, well there's still some out
there, 4404, and, and I thinkthere's some more out there,
isn't there?
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (27:26):
I don't know.
I, I just remember seeing one inGen X there and they've had them
in there for a couple years.
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-202 (27:30):
We always wanted a sign out of the
Sitz Rand Maker Bowl, out of the1127, and uh, and so he kind of
pit the ticket, and he did aheck of a job for us, so.
david_3_11-21-2023_184 (27:40):
Alright, now let's jump over to, um,
wait, we did the Rainmaker Bowl.
Now we're gonna go to Leupold?
Is that how you say
squadcaster-4gca_3_11- (27:47):
Leopold.
Yeah.
Like the riflescope.
Yep.
Yep.
And Leopold's a bull.
The original there was twoLeopold Bulls.
The original one came from Artsand Angus.
Um, and it kind of a funnystory.
They're my in-laws and, uh, theday after their sale, I was
helping'em do chores and theyhad this pin of bulls there and
I said, what's this pin ofbulls?
And, and they, this bull wasstanding there and they go,
well, those, those are the oneswe didn't sell.
(28:09):
And I, and I talked him intoselling me half of that bull,
and he was a sire of the Leopold298, um, that ABS originally
bought, and he got, he got sentback to us because he wouldn't
free semen right away, and thenwe got him the free semen, and
then ABS Australia actuallyleased him after that, but, um,
he did a heck of a job, um, kindof one of the first bulls we had
(28:33):
that did a really good job onfeet, I would say, um, where we
could kind of use them for afoot improver.
They're kind of soft made, notton of performance, but the
daughters are probably where hereally shined.
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (28:45):
Tell us about his daughters.
We'll make some shine.
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-20 (28:48):
Um, they're easy to be around.
They're kind of the right size.
They stick around the herd.
You don't have problems withudders.
You don't have problems withfeet.
Just kind of the cows that, thatmake you money, in my opinion.
david_3_11-21-2023_184 (29:00):
Alright, and then now G D A R, G D A R
Lockdown.
squadcaster-4gca_3_11 (29:04):
Lockdown, uh, I thought that was just a
great name.
Cory Poser, Hilltop Angus boughthim.
Um, and, and that was duringCOVID, of course.
So that bull's more of a, moreof a power bull for us.
Those calves do really good at,at weaning time.
Um, he's got a tick more birth,you know, they're not going to
be heifer bulls.
Um, he got hurt as a three yearold, I believe, and Cory had to,
(29:28):
had to put him down.
But, uh, we do have a, we dohave a set of those for sale
this year.
Probably be the last set wehave.
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (29:34):
What is the Power Bowl?
Uh, dunno.
Dunno.
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-20 (29:37):
Uh, just, just something that's
going to have a little more,typically they're going to have
a little bit more birth, alittle more muscle, um, a little
more, you know, a little morebone and frame, something that's
just gonna, gonna hit thefeedlot and grow a little
better.
Um, So,
david_3_11-21-2023_184 (29:52):
Alright, now we're gonna talk about the
bowl that started thistrainwreck of a podcast.
All in.
G D A R.
All in.
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-20 (29:59):
um, first set of calves will be for
sale this year.
We got 40 of them, I think, ontest.
Um, he was just a standout allthe way through weaning yearling
that year we sold him.
Um, the story, uh, is.
He got hurt right after we soldhim, hurt a testicle, wouldn't
free semen.
(30:19):
We took the bull back, kept himaround.
He healed up, um, froze semenlike crazy the next year.
And so we just made the choiceto keep them all for ourself.
Um, he's in the breeder linkcatalog.
Um, his mother's up at the donorcenter right now.
She's one of the prettiestlittle cows we got on the ranch.
Um, you wouldn't believe she'sabout a five frame cow and I bet
(30:42):
she, if she weighed 1, 200pounds, she's lucky, um, to
raise a bull with that muchpower and performance.
It's pretty amazing.
I'm really excited to see whathis daughters look like.
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (30:52):
How big is he?
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-202 (30:53):
He would be about a five and a
half, five, eight frame, I wouldsay.
Um, he's super long, a lot ofneck extension, a lot of
capacity.
Um, I can't, he's like 140 or 50on yearling EPD, I think.
He, we had him out with ahundred cows this summer.
Um, of course they were AI'd,but, uh, he bred them up really
good.
Um, a really athletic bull,active breeder, um, kind of just
(31:16):
a fun bull to be around really.
Um, we're probably most excitedabout him right now of any bull
we're using.
So,
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (31:23):
Are his sons leading?
When you brought them home andweaned them, was he the leader,
leader of the pack?
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-20 (31:27):
um, yeah, they, as a group, I would
say they would be, um,individually.
Um, it was a, it was a prettytough year up here with, with,
uh, drought and flies andthings.
But, uh, we'll, we'll see.
I think they'll definitely bethe leaders when we come off
test here.
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (31:41):
Do you remember his weaning weight?
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-20 (31:43):
uh, he was over 800, like 820
pounds.
One of the heaviest bulls we'veever raised.
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (31:47):
I'm leading you here and the dam
only weighed about 1150, 1160.
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21- (31:52):
Yeah.
She was not very big.
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (31:54):
So
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-202 (31:55):
We need a heck of a percent of her
body
david_3_11-21-2023_18403 (31:57):
Almost 70 percent of her body weight is
what you brought home.
Yeah.
Do you know what is the earlyone?
Is you remember, do you rememberthat?
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-20 (32:03):
Uh, he was, I don't, it was over 14,
I believe, which is big for us.
Um, I don't remember withoutlooking it up, but he was just,
uh, he was just a phenom.
I mean, he was just a standoutall the way through test.
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (32:15):
And, and then you remember what he
ratioed against hiscontemporaries for weight for
yearling,
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-20 (32:19):
Uh, he was in the one twenties, I
believe.
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (32:21):
it was the one 27, I think it was
one 27 is what you have inbreeders link.
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-202 (32:25):
Mm hmm.
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (32:25):
So feet.
What should we expect for feetwith him?
I noticed his foot scores aren'tthe best but that doesn't mean
anything.
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-2 (32:32):
they're really good.
Still, um, a nice big foot tosymmetrical.
Um, that would have been theproblem with his sire.
The feet were a little soft onhis sire.
Sire was the same way.
He was a standout all the waythrough performance.
Um, but his, uh, front feetweren't the best.
So,
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (32:49):
who's the sire?
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-20 (32:50):
uh, all pro 519,
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (32:54):
What made you guys go with all in?
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-20 (32:55):
um, actually the people that bought
him initially named him.
Yep.
They picked that same name andwe ended up giving their money
back.
So,
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (33:02):
I got, I gotcha, gotcha.
If I want to use this bull, whatcan I expect?
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-20 (33:07):
um, you know, we've kind of used him
across the board on all of ourbloodlines and he's worked.
Um, you would think that he'dhave a lot of birth, but they're
pretty moderate birth.
Um, and they come pretty easy.
Um, I used them heavily on mycommercial herd this year and
my, uh, my hired man out theresaid they're trying to suck
before they're out of the cow.
He couldn't believe it, how muchbigger vigor they
david_3_11-21-2023_18403 (33:28):
vigor, nice vigor, and I think his
birth weight is only in theones, right?
1.
7, 1, that's nothing.
That's barely above the breedaverage.
Do you remember the breedaverage was like almost 3?
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-2023 (33:40):
I do.
Yeah.
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (33:41):
Yeah, yeah.
1.
7 is like a gift.
Heck, that used to be a heiferbull back in the day.
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-2 (33:46):
That was yes for us.
Yeah.
Some people it still is.
So,
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (33:49):
Who'd you guys breed to, that we
should look forward to coming upin your sale?
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-20 (33:53):
uh, we got a setup to Ham of
Testaments, um, the ST geneticsbull.
Uh, he's a patriarch son.
Um, we kind of sapled him.
Uh, they weaned off well and wehope they keep going.
Um, I hear a lot of positivethings about patriarch and we
hadn't tried him.
So we tried this son.
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (34:09):
Okay.
Who else?
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-20 (34:11):
Um, all in, we have another all pros
on, uh, ace that, uh, Spickler'son over in North Dakota with us.
that we sold to him.
Those calves look good.
Um, trying to think what elselooks really good.
We have that load up son.
Those calves, uh, ratioed offreally good and he's a minus
three on birth, I believe, thatbull.
He was one of our top sellingbulls here a couple years ago.
Um, what else do we got outhere?
(34:32):
We got a nice set of, uh, theRainmakers, the 21 Angus
Rainmakers again.
Um, actually have some reallynice just old justified, uh,
embryo calves that are prettyexciting.
Um, they were some of ourheaviest calves coming off the
cows.
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (34:47):
The old man.
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-2 (34:48):
Yep, the old man.
He just keeps doing her.
Um, so I think that kind ofcovers it for this year.
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (34:55):
And what, when is your sale coming
up?
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-20 (34:57):
uh, it's fourth Thursday of March.
So I believe it's the 23rd ofMarch this year.
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (35:01):
Okay.
And about how many head are youoffering
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-20 (35:03):
Uh, there'll be about 250 bulls.
We'll sell a couple hundred headof commercial, um, yearling
heifers also.
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (35:09):
Who does the video auction for that?
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-20 (35:11):
Um, DV auctions who we've been
using.
Yep.
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (35:13):
Okay.
Or they're doing it this year aswell.
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-2023 (35:16):
I believe so.
Yeah.
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (35:17):
Okay.
And then how someone contact youto get information for that sale
coming up in March?
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-20 (35:22):
you know, our website has all the
contact information on it.
Uh, GDAR dash Angus.
com.
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (35:28):
Yeah.
Speaking to the folks out thereif you haven't ever looked at
the at their website.
It is amazing the historicalstuff They have on there is a
good read.
I enjoyed it.
I enjoy it.
I've actually read it a coupletimes I dug into it that one
time I've talked to Corey tryingto find out You know size the
cattle and all that stuff andyou know when you look at think
of the forever ladies You guysare running you said five and a
(35:51):
half five frame cattle thoseforever ladies back in the day
Those weren't five frame cattle
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-20 (35:56):
No, they're probably closer to six.
Wouldn't you say?
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (35:58):
like 50, 70.
I don't think she was, she wasanything short of six.
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-202 (36:02):
Mm hmm.
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (36:03):
Those are, those are some big cows.
All right, Chad.
Well, Hey, I want to thank youvery much for coming on here.
You're the whole reason thiswhole thing started.
We want to know something aboutall in I want to say, Hey, thank
you.
And you have a great night.
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21- (36:15):
Well, I appreciate you having me on.
So thank you.
All right.
On today's podcast, we have ChadDenao from Garner Denao Angus
ranch.
I really look forward to thispodcast this is how we started
this podcast.
I called my good friend Coreyone day and I said, Hey, do you
know anything about this GDARall in bull?
He says, no, I don't knowanything about them.
What do you know about the Denaoprogram?
What size of their cattle?
You know, what do you, what doyou think of the cattle?
(00:51):
What were they like?
I don't know.
What do you know about them?
I don't know a damn thing.
And we're mulled over andtalking and I said, you know,
this would be a great topic fora podcast.
Just to go dive deep intopeople's programs so that people
can go to them and say, oh, oh,that's what they do.
Yeah, they're going to fit me orthey don't fit what I want to
do.
So Chad, you're how this wholething started.
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21 (01:13):
Really that's, uh, that's kinda hard to
believe I guess, but
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (01:16):
It is.
It's all because of that dingbowl all in.
Speaking of all in, I, later onI want to deep dive into that
bowl.
Could you guys name somethingelse?
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21-2 (01:24):
name of something else.
You don't like all that.
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (01:26):
Uh, no, cause the other one was
horrific.
Horrific.
I know I'm throwing stones andthrowing a huge rock, but it's
true.
I had a couple of all ins and,they aren't In the Creek cattle
program any longer, they didn'tsurvive.
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-2 (01:39):
Gotcha.
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (01:40):
All right.
we're pretty lucky to have youdo this podcast.
I think what you're the fourth,maybe fifth generation at
Gardner now.
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21- (01:47):
Well, fifth at the Gartner de Know six
on the ranch here,
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (01:51):
Okay.
All right.
We'll start right there.
Take us through the historicalstart of GD AR.
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21-2 (01:57):
well it started in the fifties.
I think they 56 maybe.
They bought their first Anguscows and it was my
great-grandpa, uh, Joe Gartnerand his son-in-Law, Russ Deno,
uh, that actually started it,and that's why it's Gartner dno.
Um, currently it's all DNOs onthe ranch, but uh, my grandma
was the oldest of 10 sisters.
(02:17):
And so there was no gardenersthat came back, but, um, they
bought their first ones in 56.
I think the first sales like 68or something before that they
were just private treatingbowls.
Um, and I guess grandpa, he kindof bucked the trend back in the
day.
He was going for bigger cattle,you know, in those days, they
were pretty small cattle, um, hewas going for more performance
(02:40):
cattle, um, but always keepingan eye on the maternal, of
course.
Um, and then I guess later onwhen the cattle got really big,
he just tried to stay true toour, uh, philosophy and kept the
cattle kind of what he thoughtwas the right size and that
pendulum just kind of swingsback and forth, you know, and
it, it came back.
I would say, um, Oh, what else?
(03:00):
Uh, currently there's me, mydad, uh, Mick, my uncle, Paul,
my cousin, Casey, are all theDano's on the place.
So it's still a family runoperation.
Um, the kids are starting to getinto it now too.
So hopefully it keeps going.
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (03:15):
you guys have a deep history, into
the breed.
You guys have had some of themost historical bulls.
If anybody has kind of any kindof semblance of history of the
breed would know is.
QAS Traveler 23.
4.
You guys kind of started theRainmaker deal with GDAR
Rainmaker and then a little wellknown bull named Traveler 6807.
(03:37):
Kind of go through some of thatprocurement of picking those
bulls out.
the history of those bulls, whatthey've done with the breed.
Um, just go right from there.
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21- (03:46):
Well, it was my dad that actually, um.
bought traveler, um, with the,with Sitsa Stevenson's and
Roland Rock Angus
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (03:54):
Which Traveler?
Cause we had a 23.
4 in it.
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21-2 (03:56):
Yep.
QAS 23 dash four.
Um, and at that time, I thinkthey spent, I think it was 60 or
something.
There's a lot for a bull backthen.
And I remember him saying hetells the story way better than
I ever could.
You know, I wasn't, I was only athought back then, but, um.
He, he called home and grandpacouldn't believe what he paid
for that bull.
And then he told him he hadpartners, of course, but, uh,
(04:17):
that bull probably had thebiggest impact on our herd.
Um, and in the breed he was, youknow, until a couple other bulls
came along, but, uh, in 6807,he, he wasn't probably for
everybody, um, more of aperformance bull, but more in
moderate, um, just.
a female producer, I would say.
Um, I, we still used them somewhen I was a kid, I guess.
(04:41):
But, um, left a great set offemales.
Um, both bulls had a huge impacton the breed.
Of course, Traveler.
There are so many Traveler bullsout there and we raised a lot of
them.
I can, I can think of Traveler3173, Traveler 71.
Um, there's a ton of Travelerinfluence in the breed.
He was the kind of bull that youcould kind of line up and it
worked, you know.
(05:01):
So, um, other bulls, uh, we hadthat Rideau 2100 bull too had a
big impact on our, on probablybefore Traveler.
Um, Traveler 1148 was anothergood female producer.
So,
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (05:14):
And that Rainmaker bull,
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21-2 (05:15):
yep.
And Rainmaker.
Um, And we still, oh, we usedsome Rainmaker here a few years
ago and, and they still do agood job.
Um, uh, and you still see someRainmaker bloodlines out there,
I guess, um, doing it.
Um, I, I think that will
david_1_11-21-2023_18071 (05:30):
keeps, keeps rolling on down the line.
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21-202 (05:32):
It sure does.
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (05:33):
So speaking of your herd and you,
you're talking about the size,the moderation, what size cattle
are you guys running?
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21-20 (05:39):
Oh, our mature cows are going to
average about 1350.
Um, we'll have a few, some cowsbigger than that, and that's for
our environment.
That's where we try to keepthem.
Um,
david_1_11-21-2023_18071 (05:47):
what's frame.
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21 (05:48):
frame, frame would be about five and a
half, I would say on theaverage.
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (05:51):
Okay, so a little more moderate.
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21-2 (05:53):
Yep.
We're a little bit moremoderate.
You know, we want to keep thembig enough to work for the, for
the feeders.
Um, but moderate enough to, uh,work in our environment.
Um, I, I firmly believe thatcows are where the money's made,
you know, if you can have a cowthat stays in the herd every
year and raises a calf, um,we're, uh, about a 12 inch
rainfall area here where we runthese cows, um, so, uh, we just
(06:16):
feel if we get them too big,they're just not gonna, they're
gonna come in dry at the end ofthe year, so,
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (06:20):
I say where you're at, you're in
Sydney, Montana.
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21-2 (06:23):
yes, sir,
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (06:24):
They call it West Dakota.
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21 (06:25):
pretty much, we're on the 80 miles from
Canada, so,
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (06:28):
Well, you probably don't get a lot of
ranch visits out there.
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21-20 (06:31):
oh, we get some, but yeah, we're out
of the way, that's for sure,we're
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (06:34):
and few between.
Not only do you guys have a longhistory with, with, on the sire
side.
You guys have an amazing historywith, especially with the
Forever Ladies.
Did you guys start the ForeverLady line?
That family line?
How did that come about?
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21-202 (06:46):
We did.
We bought, uh, a bull from KandyAngus here that was actually
located in Sydney also.
Um, and that, and that bullstarted the Forever line.
Um, Forever Ladies, um, wherethey came from.
Uh, we had Forever Lady 395 wasprobably the most famous one.
And I do remember her when I wasa kid.
She was just an amazing cow.
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (07:07):
On that cow, expand on that.
What did she do?
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21-202 (07:10):
oh she just, you know, we kind of
had some partners with her.
Um, Sunny Valley Ranch andstuff.
They, um, kind of, a lot ofembryo work.
So.
A lot of our cows now will goback to her.
Um, she had some daughters thatdid a heck of a job too.
Um,
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (07:24):
Any famous sires?
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21- (07:25):
yeah, the, you know, I think, I
believe that Traveler 234D was agrandson and 216LTD,
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (07:31):
This 57 D does she come out of that
cow line
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21- (07:35):
since a lot of this was when I was a
kid.
So hopefully I get it right.
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (07:37):
I gotcha.
I gotcha.
Well, your dad, your dad can letyou know afterwards
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21-20 (07:41):
Oh, he will.
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (07:42):
So what other cow families came
through your guys's?
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21-20 (07:45):
Oh, the Rachel's have had a big
impact here.
Um, and more currently, we havea a Miss Wick's line that's done
a good job.
Um, we had a pretty prolificdonor cow and a lot of our um,
good young cows right now goback to her.
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (07:57):
So what's your guys' breeding
philosophy?
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21-20 (07:59):
Um, that's a tough one.
Uh, we kind of start with thecow.
You know, we kind of grandpaalways said if you, if you
select for the cow, everythingelse will fall into place.
Um, and so I say we select forthe cow, but we kind of wanted
to do everything, you know, wewant her to, to raise
performance cattle, feedlotcattle, uh, cattle that grade,
(08:20):
um, but we never forget aboutour goal that we want to
structurally correct, easykeeping.
female that breeds back everyyear and obviously raises a good
calf.
So we, we think our customersare the commercial cowmen and,
and we really try to raisebulls, um, that are going to
produce females that are goingto stay in their herd and make
(08:40):
them as much profit as possible.
So
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (08:43):
Now?
You guys run them pretty hardout there, don't you?
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21-202 (08:45):
we do, we run in big pastures, um,
and we have a commercial herdalso that runs in really rough
country.
Um, and so we put a pretty goodtest on these cows.
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (08:54):
You guys are not talking acres.
You're talking sections outthere.
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21-2 (08:57):
Yep.
Yeah, our, uh, where theregistered cows run, those
pastures are one to twosections, um, big and.
It's eastern Montana.
The winters aren't easy and thesummers are tough, but it puts a
pretty good test on those onthose cows And we let mother
nature kind of weed them out.
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (09:14):
You do a little more with the bulls
and you do with the heifers whenyou bring'em on in.
How do you guys manage them upto sale time?
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21-20 (09:19):
Oh, we feed all our own bulls So
they go they come directly offthe cow into our feedlot and
Obviously, we're in a little bittougher country our weaning
weights aren't huge But we tryto keep them at about three and
a quarter
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (09:32):
idea what that would be.
What, what is
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21-20 (09:33):
our our will average about 680 on
the whole bunch Um, yeah, I
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (09:39):
right off desert.
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21-202 (09:39):
if we hit an 800 pound calf, that's
pretty good.
david_1_11-21-2023_18071 (09:42):
That's probably the the outlier, right?
That's
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21- (09:44):
yeah, those would be our outliers.
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (09:47):
lot one bull.
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21- (09:47):
yeah, hopefully, yeah.
Um, and we'll, we'll band abouta third of them bulls.
And we just take them right offthe bottom and send them to a
feedlot, get some carcass databack on those.
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (09:58):
What causes a bull to get banded?
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21-202 (10:00):
It mainly weaning weight, but
we'll, we'll do it if we, if wedon't like his mother or
something too, or too much birthweight, just pretty much if
they're not going to fit what wewant to sell in the bull sale.
So we'll end up with keepingabout 300 bulls on test.
And we'll try to sell about 250of those in the bull sale.
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (10:16):
So when you guys put them on test
Is is like a true test typething?
How do you guys do it on test?
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21- (10:22):
Yeah, it's a performance test.
So they, uh, we use the weaningweight to go on to test with,
uh, uh, and then we take a, youknow, we have a gain ratio at
the end, so it's a, it's a truetest.
Yeah.
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (10:34):
And then do you then cut the bottom
quarter bottom third off that?
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21-202 (10:39):
At that point.
Yeah.
We cut them off for performance,um, scrotal circumference, um,
structural soundness, et cetera.
Um, try to get the best qualitywe can offer our customers.
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (10:51):
And then do you scan carcass?
squadcaster-4gca_1_11-21-202 (10:53):
We do, we still ultrasound.
Um, you know, even the DNA kindof overrides everything, but we,
uh, we think it's important toget that data into the system,
so.
david_1_11-21-2023_180717 (11:02):
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david_2_11-21-2023_182 (11:40):
Alright, we're back with Chad Deneau.
I think we said sixth generationat Gardner Deneau.
Alright, well I, I know a littlebit of your history because you
guys have it on the internet, soit's pretty easy to see on your
guys webpage.
But at one point in time, youkind of left and went to
college, right?
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-2 (11:57):
Yes, I did.
Yep.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (11:58):
did you end up back on the farm?
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-20 (11:59):
Um, I always wanted to come back.
Um, it's just what I wanted todo.
Um, I grew up working here onthe ranch, um, majored in
livestock management at college,and it was just my goal.
Um.
And they've been really great tome.
I, they've given me a lot ofleeway here on, on what we're
doing.
And, um, I guess I'm kind of incharge of the genetics now.
(12:20):
Um, dad still gives me his 2cents, but my uncle and my
cousin are more kind of thefarming side and we all pitch in
everywhere, but.
I'm kind of running the geneticsnow.
So
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (12:29):
I think it's pretty amazing when
you can get a family that workstogether.
I come from a family thatcouldn't work together.
I always say my, my dad was ahorrible boss and I was a
terrible employee.
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-2 (12:39):
there's days, yeah, yeah.
It's trying, but
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (12:42):
You picked the genetics?
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21- (12:43):
yeah, I do most of the ranch
management and, and genetics.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (12:47):
I see how your dad does that.
So if everything is a trainwreck, it's Chad's fault.
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21- (12:51):
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
That's, that's right now.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (12:53):
You gotta kind of have a real
marriage.
You're married to an artisan.
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-2 (12:57):
Yes, sir.
Yep.
Doug Arnson's daughter.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (12:59):
How many kids?
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-20 (13:00):
Oh, we have three daughters.
david_2_11-21-2023_18213 (13:01):
That's what I got.
I got three girls too.
Uh, but two boys.
Two boys as well.
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-20 (13:05):
Oh, wow.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (13:06):
'em?
Yeah.
You wanna borrow some for, forthe summer?
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-2023 (13:09):
I could use some help.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (13:10):
you borrow one.
You can work'em to work'em tothe ground.
All right, circle back on that.
You, uh, get to pick out thegenetics.
Do you guys use any outsidebulls?
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-202 (13:19):
We try to sample a bull or two
every year if they, if we canfind one that fits our program.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (13:23):
Okay.
So what fits your program?
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-20 (13:25):
You got to have a, you know, the
balance trait, balance of allthe traits that we're looking
for, you know, moderate birth,um, performance, number one,
structural soundness, and Iappeal, we still want them to
show some muscle, have somethickness, have some capacity
and springer rib, um, tightsheathed, you know, we're, we
work really hard on scrotal andudders.
(13:45):
Um, and a lot of times we'llwant to see the cow before we
buy a bull or we sample a bull.
Um, right now it's just
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (13:51):
Do you go to the ranch to go see
the
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21- (13:53):
yeah, a lot of times we do.
Sometimes we'll sample onewithout, but, um, the, the big
thing right now is feet.
Everybody says that andeverybody's doing it, but we're,
we're doing our dang hardest toreally improve feet right now.
So,
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (14:05):
Has your her had any issues with
feet in the past or?
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-202 (14:09):
oh yeah, I think all herds have.
Um, I've seen it in all, all thebloodlines that we've used too.
Um, some are worse than othersand, and, uh, I think, And some
of the feet were just marginal,but we're just really trying to,
to make them really good now.
You
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (14:23):
I gotcha.
I got those cows out there that,man, I'm always, I'm always
checking the feet.
Like, every week I go out thereand stand among them, check the
feet, check the feet, check thefeet.
And there's two culprits thatI'm always waiting for them to
go bad, and they haven't gonebad.
If you ever ask me, what do youthink of the feet?
They're not good, but they'renot bad.
You know what I mean?
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-2 (14:42):
they're not bad
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (14:43):
They could be better.
They could be a lot better, but,but, uh, they're not bad.
No screw claw yet anyways.
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-2023 (14:49):
I had a guy tell me once, uh, that
he toured around with my grandpaand this was before my time.
And he said, the one thing aboutyour grandpa was he never, he
always found something wrongwith every cow on your place.
And, and I've always rememberedthat.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (15:01):
I call that being, barn blind.
You know how, you can be barnblind one way where you think
all your cattle are great.
I'm on the other side of thatwhere I'm always looking out
there thinking, yeah, they needto go to the slaughter plant,
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21- (15:12):
Yeah.
I'm more that way too.
Yeah.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (15:14):
Every day I'm sending them to the
slaughter plant, and then I goover to somebody else's place
and I'm like, oh yeah, my cowsaren't that bad.
I got them on the truck headingout on Tuesday.
If you talked to me a weekbefore that.
You know, I was, I was gonna,uh, wrap around on something
with you.
Uh, with the kids.
you were saying that you gotthree daughters.
Are they involved in the ranch?
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21- (15:32):
Yeah.
You know, it seems like kids arebusier nowadays than, than I
remember being, but as much asthey can, um, they're really
involved.
Um, they all have a cow and, um,they kind of follow her through.
Um, they do the 4 H thing, youknow, and, and my oldest
daughter started in FFA, um,which is great and livestock
judging.
Um, but I, yeah, I take them outas much as possible and have
(15:55):
them work.
I think it's the right way toraise kids.
And I think it's a good way toraise kids.
So
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (15:59):
Each cow, each kid gets a cow,
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-2 (16:02):
Cow, did I say that wrong?
Sorry.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (16:03):
each kid gets a cow, do they get to
pick the mating?
Do they?
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-202 (16:08):
If they want to, yeah.
Yeah, I,
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (16:10):
pick it?
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-20 (16:11):
um, Yeah, they helped me pick them
last year, I believe.
Yeah,
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (16:14):
Do you make, do you do a short
list, or do they get the whole,they get the entire Angus
universe?
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-202 (16:19):
we keep it pretty short.
Yeah, they have to pick out whatI'm using.
Yeah,
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (16:22):
heh heh heh heh heh, what's in dad's
semen tank is what they get.
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-2 (16:26):
yep, yep.
And that's one of our, uh, ourstrategies too is we kind of try
to limit the number of bullswe're using.
Make those big sire groups forour customers.
So,
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (16:34):
true.
How many bulls you typicallysell in a year, maybe 200,
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-20 (16:38):
uh, last year was close, it was
probably 290 last year that wesold.
Total, yeah.
With the
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (16:43):
you don't have, and you don't have
12 side groups.
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21- (16:45):
Nope, we, we try to limit it to, yeah,
to all 14.
We'll use 8 cleanup bullstypically.
And some of them bulls will bebulls that we'll AI to also, so.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (16:56):
But I mean, your AI offering is, is
pretty darn tight.
you'll see programs where theysell that many and it's 30
different bulls.
You guys seem to have kind of atight program, which I
appreciate because it feels likeyou guys know where you're
going.
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21- (17:08):
Yeah, we try.
Yeah.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (17:09):
You try.
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21- (17:10):
yeah,
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (17:11):
Well, this is kind of my favorite part
of the show.
Um, we get to talk about somebulls.
So I may name off some bulls.
Have you listened to the showbefore?
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-20 (17:19):
no,
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (17:19):
You didn't listen to it?
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-20 (17:20):
no, I haven't.
david_2_11-21-2023_182 (17:21):
Alright, so I name off some bulls, um,
You're gonna have some historywith them.
I want you to kinda give me thegood, bad, the ugly, you know,
what you think about them.
You ready for this?
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-2 (17:31):
Sure thing.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (17:32):
So the first one is gonna be G
Let's go, actually, I'm gonnachange this up.
Let's go to KG Justified.
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21- (17:38):
Sure.
Um, that's a bull that didn'tget enough recognition early on.
Um, he's been gone, what, threeor four years now, I believe.
Um, we are still using thatbull.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (17:49):
Did he pass?
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21- (17:50):
yeah, he passed away here probably
three or four years ago.
He had a problem with his backand they had put him down.
Um, but what he's, he would be10 years old this year.
Um, if he was still around, um,we've got a ton of daughters.
We've used multiple sons, um,have had sons top our sales.
Um, and the bulls just stilldoing it.
Um, some of my best bulls outthere this year out of them
(18:11):
again.
Um, he's more of a moderatebull, even a touch more moderate
than we typically would useprobably.
But this throws a ton ofthickness and muscle into those
cattle.
Light birth weight heifer bull,you know, the commercial
cowboys.
They just love them light birthweight and they look good And
they got some grow to themdaughters are nice If I'm gonna
pick him apart, you know, hethrows some tail head.
(18:32):
I don't like that.
Maybe a touch too much set tohis back But other than that, I
mean at the time when we boughthim we almost named him captain
obvious He was just thatobvious.
He looked that good.
david_2_11-21-2023_1821 (18:43):
Really?
Really?
So, the sons I have seen, myfriend Cora Croftmole, he's got
a bunch of them.
I know Joe Fisher has used thempretty extensively on his place.
Like I said, the tail head,every now and then that can rear
its ugly head with him.
But Normally, when you see hissons, the balance, the balance
of those, those sons is amazing.
(19:04):
they just, they look athletic.
They look like they're gonnacover.
I, I would say, the ones I'veseen, they're not amazing, but
there's no holes.
It's a no holes kind of bull.
Um, and he's available where?
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-20 (19:18):
um, he's It's kind of hard to find
right now.
Arnson's and us would have semenon him still.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (19:23):
Gen X?
Is Gen X
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-2023 (19:24):
I don't know if Jax does have any
more.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (19:26):
Okay.
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21- (19:27):
They, they, he was a Gen X bull
though.
So,
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (19:29):
I guess you're probably gonna have
a bunch of this one, so let'sjump to one of your bulls.
Uh, G D A R, Justified.
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-20 (19:35):
uh, which one?
914.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (19:37):
The one that's available at Beef360.
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-2 (19:39):
that would be the 914 bull.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (19:41):
Okay.
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-20 (19:41):
Um, he's probably the son I'm
highest on at this point intime.
Um, he adds a tick of moreframe, levels out that tail head
nicely.
Um, the feet are even better andthe feet on the old bull are
good.
The feet on 914 are, areexcellent.
Um, the first daughters justlook awesome.
There's a ranch in, in Arkansasthat bought him from us, Rock
(20:03):
Creek Angus.
Um, they just had a son and adaughter in the, um, Arkansas
state sale.
And, uh, they both topped theircategories.
So,
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (20:12):
Wow.
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-20 (20:13):
um, and, uh, Spickler Ranch North
bought in on the bull this year.
Uh, so we'll be seeing progenymarketed there too.
Uh, they thought enough of himto buy in.
Um, but I can't say enough goodthings about that bull, I guess.
Um, he's a bull that we didn'tuse.
I'll, I'll be honest, his, hismother wasn't like our best cow.
(20:33):
And typically we want bulls outof really good cows, but the
daughters are just flat good.
Um, udders are even better thanthe old bull.
So, um, trying to think of ahole in him.
I mean, he could be a littlemore, uh, a little higher on
IMF.
Maybe the old bulls beats himthere.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (20:51):
Eh.
I don't know.
That whole IMF thing is, Ithink, is a little overrated
sometimes.
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-20 (20:56):
Oh, I, I might agree with you there,
but we still, we still try tocover all the bases, you know,
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (21:01):
This is not gonna be one of your
bulls, but it leads into intosomething that you do have.
Let's go Schaff Resource.
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-20 (21:08):
the 1441 bull, old resource.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (21:11):
A A V Resource.
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-20 (21:12):
Um, we've used him some, uh, they
were very easy to sell.
Of course they had the birthweight, but they had the, the
thickness and muscle that the,the bull buyers like.
Um, they always, they were kindof moderate square.
The females were good.
I wouldn't call them great, butI, I, I do like the daughters
(21:33):
out of them too.
So
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (21:35):
The reason I brought up it You guys
have ownership in Sitz Reload,right?
Is that correct?
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-2 (21:40):
yes, sir.
Yep.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (21:41):
so that, yeah, let's talk about
him.
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-2023 (21:43):
I think reload fixed a couple
issues I had with resource.
Uh, they had a lot better neckextension.
Um, a little bit better builtthrough the shoulders.
He was a calving ease bowl whereI would say resource wasn't.
Um, the reload bull left us anice set of daughters.
Um, and of course, we had theson load up.
(22:03):
I don't know if he was on yourlist of bulls too.
He'd be more of the current bullthat we're
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (22:06):
Hey, hey, hey, don't be jumping
ahead.
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-202 (22:08):
be jumping ahead.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (22:09):
Don't jump ahead.
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-2 (22:10):
But, uh, reload stood on a good set
of feet.
Um, structurally sound.
Um, could have probably had moreperformance if I was going to
knock him somewhere.
We
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (22:18):
So, I went through a catalog.
I like to deep dive into certaingroups, in certain, uh Breeders
catalogs.
Here's one I like to deep diveinto every year.
And then another one you'retalking about Spickler North.
I like deep diving in there inthere as well.
Cause I like to see, you know,what the bottom line looks like.
Are you using these bulls?
Are they in this reload bullkeeps showing up over and over
(22:42):
and over again.
You got a lot of daughters.
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-2 (22:44):
have a lot of daughters and they're
doing the job.
Yep.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (22:47):
And he's, he's a resource son.
So since you jumped up on me,um, so actually he's available
at SG genetics, right?
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-2 (22:54):
Yep.
Yep.
I think they're still loading.
Yep.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (22:57):
And so you, you said load up,
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-2 (22:59):
Yep.
Load up's the bull.
This is the son.
Yep.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (23:01):
talk about load up, tell us what he's
doing.
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-20 (23:03):
Um, load up is a, I'll, I'm trying
to think of what he fixed thatreload had.
He's probably, docility isprobably the biggest thing that
he fixed that the old reloadbowl maybe wasn't great at.
Um, docility on the load ups arereally hard to beat.
The dotters are super nice, niceuttered.
Um, really good on his feet.
(23:25):
And like I said, that'ssomething that we're working
really hard on.
Um.
And he's owned by Arnson's MathFarms and, uh, Nielsen Angus in
Nebraska bought him from us, um,doing a heck of a job at all
three places, um, for my, whatthem guys tell me anyway.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (23:40):
Okay.
Are you guys using them?
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-202 (23:42):
We are, we, uh, we used a son last
year, um, was the first year wedidn't use him, yep, but we've,
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (23:49):
Tell us about his damn
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-20 (23:50):
um, she was a nice cow, I'm trying
to think.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (23:53):
was.
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-20 (23:54):
I'm trying to think if she's still
around or not.
When, I got 1, 500 cows toremember.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (23:58):
Now I gotcha.
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-20 (23:59):
Um, No, she is, I just brought her
home from the donor center.
So, she's got a heck of a setof, uh, of, uh, sons in the sale
coming up here.
So,
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (24:09):
So let's take a little, let's take
a little side trip right there.
You got 1500 head of cattle.
How many of those qualify to bea donor?
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-20 (24:15):
uh, we try to flush, well, when I
say 1, 500, only about 850 ofthose are registered.
The rest are the commercialherd.
Um, but we only flush two tofour cows a year.
And typically, it's an older cowthat's proven herself.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (24:29):
So what makes her proven?
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-20 (24:30):
Um, if she's.
Had enough calves andconsistently done a good enough
job.
Um, I actually have an old cowthat I flushed two years ago.
That's, uh, how old would shebe?
She's 15.
She's still in the herd.
She'd be our oldest cow.
Um, and she, she never raised agreat bull calf, but she has a
ton of daughters that stayed inour herd.
(24:51):
and has good udders, still goodfeet.
Want more cows like her, so weflushed her.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (24:56):
So proven at GDR G D A R isn't a 10
month old heifer.
squadcaster-4gca_2_11-21-20 (25:01):
Uh, no sir, um, we call pretty hard
for structure, udders,fertility.
Um, if you, if you make it tosix or seven years old here,
you're probably a pretty decentcow, so.
david_2_11-21-2023_182134 (25:12):
I appreciate that.
Hey, let's take a break righthere.
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david_3_11-21-2023_184 (25:46):
Alright, we're back with Chad Deneau.
From Gardner, Deneau, AngusRanch out there in Sydney,
Montana.
Before I, we stepped away, Iforgot to ask you where people
can get semen for load up.
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-20 (25:57):
Um, he's in, uh, uh, Oh, shoot
breeder link.
david_3_11-21-2023 (26:02):
Breederlink,
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-2 (26:02):
yes, sir.
Yep.
david_3_11-21-2023_184 (26:04):
Alright, so let's now jump to, Spickler,
Whitlock.
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-20 (26:08):
Um, we just, we just used him a
little bit, um, kind of anoutside bowl.
We tested, um.
I guess they had maybe a touchtick more frame on average than
we liked, but we kind of didleave us some good daughters.
Oh, he,
david_3_11-21-2023_184 (26:21):
through, through catalog, that's why I
pulled them up.
Quite a few of them in there.
Alright, so now we're, let'sjump to, let's go to, uh, 21AR
Rainmaker.
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-2 (26:29):
he's a bull.
That was kind of an outlier forperformance at 21 Angus ranch
that year.
Um, we bought him and, uh, andthen after we bought him, uh,
uh, Baldrige Angus bought in onhim too.
So they, they use them downthere also.
Um.
He has a touch more frame andperformance probably than what
our average herd sire wouldhave.
Um, really big scrotal, uh,leaving us a, a nice set of
(26:51):
daughters.
Um, they're probably average ontheir feet I would say.
Um, we're probably be the lastset of them would be this year
that we're going to sell.
All the way back to Rainmaker.
Has a
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (27:02):
And, and you kind of left out.
I mean, he goes all the wayback.
Pedigree goes all the way back.
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-2 (27:07):
back in there.
Yeah,
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (27:09):
Would you know offhand how many
generations it is?
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21- (27:11):
it's, I went back in it, it wants,
it's, it's way back there.
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (27:15):
Yeah, it's way back there.
That is, that is pretty amazingthough.
I think Gen X has a Rainmakerbowl.
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21- (27:20):
Yeah, uh, well there's still some out
there, 4404, and, and I thinkthere's some more out there,
isn't there?
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (27:26):
I don't know.
I, I just remember seeing one inGen X there and they've had them
in there for a couple years.
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-202 (27:30):
We always wanted a sign out of the
Sitz Rand Maker Bowl, out of the1127, and uh, and so he kind of
pit the ticket, and he did aheck of a job for us, so.
david_3_11-21-2023_184 (27:40):
Alright, now let's jump over to, um,
wait, we did the Rainmaker Bowl.
Now we're gonna go to Leupold?
Is that how you say
squadcaster-4gca_3_11- (27:47):
Leopold.
Yeah.
Like the riflescope.
Yep.
Yep.
And Leopold's a bull.
The original there was twoLeopold Bulls.
The original one came from Artsand Angus.
Um, and it kind of a funnystory.
They're my in-laws and, uh, theday after their sale, I was
helping'em do chores and theyhad this pin of bulls there and
I said, what's this pin ofbulls?
And, and they, this bull wasstanding there and they go,
well, those, those are the oneswe didn't sell.
(28:09):
And I, and I talked him intoselling me half of that bull,
and he was a sire of the Leopold298, um, that ABS originally
bought, and he got, he got sentback to us because he wouldn't
free semen right away, and thenwe got him the free semen, and
then ABS Australia actuallyleased him after that, but, um,
he did a heck of a job, um, kindof one of the first bulls we had
(28:33):
that did a really good job onfeet, I would say, um, where we
could kind of use them for afoot improver.
They're kind of soft made, notton of performance, but the
daughters are probably where hereally shined.
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (28:45):
Tell us about his daughters.
We'll make some shine.
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-20 (28:48):
Um, they're easy to be around.
They're kind of the right size.
They stick around the herd.
You don't have problems withudders.
You don't have problems withfeet.
Just kind of the cows that, thatmake you money, in my opinion.
david_3_11-21-2023_184 (29:00):
Alright, and then now G D A R, G D A R
Lockdown.
squadcaster-4gca_3_11 (29:04):
Lockdown, uh, I thought that was just a
great name.
Cory Poser, Hilltop Angus boughthim.
Um, and, and that was duringCOVID, of course.
So that bull's more of a, moreof a power bull for us.
Those calves do really good at,at weaning time.
Um, he's got a tick more birth,you know, they're not going to
be heifer bulls.
Um, he got hurt as a three yearold, I believe, and Cory had to,
(29:28):
had to put him down.
But, uh, we do have a, we dohave a set of those for sale
this year.
Probably be the last set wehave.
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (29:34):
What is the Power Bowl?
Uh, dunno.
Dunno.
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-20 (29:37):
Uh, just, just something that's
going to have a little more,typically they're going to have
a little bit more birth, alittle more muscle, um, a little
more, you know, a little morebone and frame, something that's
just gonna, gonna hit thefeedlot and grow a little
better.
Um, So,
david_3_11-21-2023_184 (29:52):
Alright, now we're gonna talk about the
bowl that started thistrainwreck of a podcast.
All in.
G D A R.
All in.
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-20 (29:59):
um, first set of calves will be for
sale this year.
We got 40 of them, I think, ontest.
Um, he was just a standout allthe way through weaning yearling
that year we sold him.
Um, the story, uh, is.
He got hurt right after we soldhim, hurt a testicle, wouldn't
free semen.
(30:19):
We took the bull back, kept himaround.
He healed up, um, froze semenlike crazy the next year.
And so we just made the choiceto keep them all for ourself.
Um, he's in the breeder linkcatalog.
Um, his mother's up at the donorcenter right now.
She's one of the prettiestlittle cows we got on the ranch.
Um, you wouldn't believe she'sabout a five frame cow and I bet
(30:42):
she, if she weighed 1, 200pounds, she's lucky, um, to
raise a bull with that muchpower and performance.
It's pretty amazing.
I'm really excited to see whathis daughters look like.
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (30:52):
How big is he?
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-202 (30:53):
He would be about a five and a
half, five, eight frame, I wouldsay.
Um, he's super long, a lot ofneck extension, a lot of
capacity.
Um, I can't, he's like 140 or 50on yearling EPD, I think.
He, we had him out with ahundred cows this summer.
Um, of course they were AI'd,but, uh, he bred them up really
good.
Um, a really athletic bull,active breeder, um, kind of just
(31:16):
a fun bull to be around really.
Um, we're probably most excitedabout him right now of any bull
we're using.
So,
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (31:23):
Are his sons leading?
When you brought them home andweaned them, was he the leader,
leader of the pack?
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-20 (31:27):
um, yeah, they, as a group, I would
say they would be, um,individually.
Um, it was a, it was a prettytough year up here with, with,
uh, drought and flies andthings.
But, uh, we'll, we'll see.
I think they'll definitely bethe leaders when we come off
test here.
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (31:41):
Do you remember his weaning weight?
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-20 (31:43):
uh, he was over 800, like 820
pounds.
One of the heaviest bulls we'veever raised.
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (31:47):
I'm leading you here and the dam
only weighed about 1150, 1160.
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21- (31:52):
Yeah.
She was not very big.
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (31:54):
So
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-202 (31:55):
We need a heck of a percent of her
body
david_3_11-21-2023_18403 (31:57):
Almost 70 percent of her body weight is
what you brought home.
Yeah.
Do you know what is the earlyone?
Is you remember, do you rememberthat?
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-20 (32:03):
Uh, he was, I don't, it was over 14,
I believe, which is big for us.
Um, I don't remember withoutlooking it up, but he was just,
uh, he was just a phenom.
I mean, he was just a standoutall the way through test.
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (32:15):
And, and then you remember what he
ratioed against hiscontemporaries for weight for
yearling,
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-20 (32:19):
Uh, he was in the one twenties, I
believe.
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (32:21):
it was the one 27, I think it was
one 27 is what you have inbreeders link.
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-202 (32:25):
Mm hmm.
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (32:25):
So feet.
What should we expect for feetwith him?
I noticed his foot scores aren'tthe best but that doesn't mean
anything.
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-2 (32:32):
they're really good.
Still, um, a nice big foot tosymmetrical.
Um, that would have been theproblem with his sire.
The feet were a little soft onhis sire.
Sire was the same way.
He was a standout all the waythrough performance.
Um, but his, uh, front feetweren't the best.
So,
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (32:49):
who's the sire?
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-20 (32:50):
uh, all pro 519,
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (32:54):
What made you guys go with all in?
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-20 (32:55):
um, actually the people that bought
him initially named him.
Yep.
They picked that same name andwe ended up giving their money
back.
So,
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (33:02):
I got, I gotcha, gotcha.
If I want to use this bull, whatcan I expect?
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-20 (33:07):
um, you know, we've kind of used him
across the board on all of ourbloodlines and he's worked.
Um, you would think that he'dhave a lot of birth, but they're
pretty moderate birth.
Um, and they come pretty easy.
Um, I used them heavily on mycommercial herd this year and
my, uh, my hired man out theresaid they're trying to suck
before they're out of the cow.
He couldn't believe it, how muchbigger vigor they
david_3_11-21-2023_18403 (33:28):
vigor, nice vigor, and I think his
birth weight is only in theones, right?
1.
7, 1, that's nothing.
That's barely above the breedaverage.
Do you remember the breedaverage was like almost 3?
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-2023 (33:40):
I do.
Yeah.
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (33:41):
Yeah, yeah.
1.
7 is like a gift.
Heck, that used to be a heiferbull back in the day.
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-2 (33:46):
That was yes for us.
Yeah.
Some people it still is.
So,
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (33:49):
Who'd you guys breed to, that we
should look forward to coming upin your sale?
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-20 (33:53):
uh, we got a setup to Ham of
Testaments, um, the ST geneticsbull.
Uh, he's a patriarch son.
Um, we kind of sapled him.
Uh, they weaned off well and wehope they keep going.
Um, I hear a lot of positivethings about patriarch and we
hadn't tried him.
So we tried this son.
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (34:09):
Okay.
Who else?
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-20 (34:11):
Um, all in, we have another all pros
on, uh, ace that, uh, Spickler'son over in North Dakota with us.
that we sold to him.
Those calves look good.
Um, trying to think what elselooks really good.
We have that load up son.
Those calves, uh, ratioed offreally good and he's a minus
three on birth, I believe, thatbull.
He was one of our top sellingbulls here a couple years ago.
Um, what else do we got outhere?
(34:32):
We got a nice set of, uh, theRainmakers, the 21 Angus
Rainmakers again.
Um, actually have some reallynice just old justified, uh,
embryo calves that are prettyexciting.
Um, they were some of ourheaviest calves coming off the
cows.
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (34:47):
The old man.
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-2 (34:48):
Yep, the old man.
He just keeps doing her.
Um, so I think that kind ofcovers it for this year.
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (34:55):
And what, when is your sale coming
up?
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-20 (34:57):
uh, it's fourth Thursday of March.
So I believe it's the 23rd ofMarch this year.
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (35:01):
Okay.
And about how many head are youoffering
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-20 (35:03):
Uh, there'll be about 250 bulls.
We'll sell a couple hundred headof commercial, um, yearling
heifers also.
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (35:09):
Who does the video auction for that?
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-20 (35:11):
Um, DV auctions who we've been
using.
Yep.
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (35:13):
Okay.
Or they're doing it this year aswell.
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-2023 (35:16):
I believe so.
Yeah.
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (35:17):
Okay.
And then how someone contact youto get information for that sale
coming up in March?
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-20 (35:22):
you know, our website has all the
contact information on it.
Uh, GDAR dash Angus.
com.
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (35:28):
Yeah.
Speaking to the folks out thereif you haven't ever looked at
the at their website.
It is amazing the historicalstuff They have on there is a
good read.
I enjoyed it.
I enjoy it.
I've actually read it a coupletimes I dug into it that one
time I've talked to Corey tryingto find out You know size the
cattle and all that stuff andyou know when you look at think
of the forever ladies You guysare running you said five and a
(35:51):
half five frame cattle thoseforever ladies back in the day
Those weren't five frame cattle
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-20 (35:56):
No, they're probably closer to six.
Wouldn't you say?
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (35:58):
like 50, 70.
I don't think she was, she wasanything short of six.
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21-202 (36:02):
Mm hmm.
david_3_11-21-2023_184032 (36:03):
Those are, those are some big cows.
All right, Chad.
Well, Hey, I want to thank youvery much for coming on here.
You're the whole reason thiswhole thing started.
We want to know something aboutall in I want to say, Hey, thank
you.
And you have a great night.
squadcaster-4gca_3_11-21- (36:15):
Well, I appreciate you having me on.
So thank you.
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