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June 4, 2024 97 mins

In this episode, SooJin and Hannah engage in a rich discussion with soulmates, Laura and Daren Hill. The conversation flows like a slow, meandering river as we challenge ourselves to slow down and be more like water: adaptable, strong, gentle, powerful, vulnerable, interconnected, and expansive. We break down “knowledge” by getting to know our ledges (boundaries) and defining ourselves on our own terms based in our own culture(s). Laura and Daren share how they lead by example, planting seeds to encourage critical thinking and cultivating their kids’ imaginations through education and art. It is truly a gift to witness the loving, healthy, and respectful relationship Laura and Daren have with each other and the world around them.

NOTE: We sometimes use the acronym BIPOC, which means Black, Indigenous and/or People of Color. 

There is some profanity at the 14:09 and 38:35 minute marks.
 

Resources:

https://millionartistmovement.com

https://www.speakingoutcollective.com

https://www.darenscotthill.com

Daren Hill’s Instagram: @probablypicasso

Your Queens, Inc. - a character company depicting the stories of non-fictional African Kings and Queens

Creative Storytelling by Speaking Out Collective: The Man, The Serpent and the Fox

Link of Laura Hill’s Grandpa Shoveling

Them (anthology series on Amazon Prime): 

Kindred by Octavia Butler

The Invention of Nature: Alexander von Humboldt’s New World by Andrea Wulf

Hunting in Harlem by Mat Johnson

The A to Z: Characteristics and Qualities of Being a Revolutionary by Fred Ho
Characteristics of White Supremacist Culture

Dr. Amanda Kemp’s Ted Talk (
Racial Justice from the Heart)

Quote that was mentioned in the episode: “If I didn’t define myself, I would be crunched into other people’s fantasies for me and eaten alive," Audre Lorde said during a speech at Harvard University in 1982

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