The gradual drift that precedes leadership failure rarely makes headlines until it's too late. In this profound episode, Bishop Harvey, General Superintendent of Australia and pastor of The Pentecostals of Sydney, unpacks the critical discipline of self-awareness that can protect spiritual leaders from becoming another statistic.
With alarming research showing 90% of pastors reporting frequent fatigue and 89% having considered leaving ministry, Bishop Harvey provides a roadmap for sustainable leadership through seven areas of essential self-awareness. From recognizing creeping cynicism that erodes wonder, to acknowledging our blind spots, biases, and the dangerous "Messiah syndrome" that drives burnout, his message offers both warning and wisdom.
Drawing from biblical examples and personal experience leading churches across Australia and the Pacific, Bishop Harvey demonstrates how small, unchecked attitudes eventually become major ministry liabilities. His practical approach includes developing disciplines like the five-minute journal, establishing trusted relationships with honest feedback, and recognizing emotional triggers before they lead to destructive behaviors.
What sets this conversation apart is the rare vulnerability from a high-level leader discussing not just external leadership challenges, but the internal work required for lasting ministry impact. Bishop Harvey models the very humility he advocates, offering practical tools while acknowledging his own journey toward greater self-awareness.
Whether you're a seasoned minister, emerging leader, or simply someone who cares about spiritual health, this episode provides essential insights for avoiding the subtle erosion that precedes public failure. Take this opportunity to examine your heart, recalibrate your leadership approach, and establish practices that will sustain your ministry for the long haul.
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As I told you last week, Ialways like to keep sharing how
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So, God is really helping us toget the kingdom word out is
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And we are doing that togetherin the partnership of faith.
If you missed last week'ssession with Prophet Bobby Wade,
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I have been irresponsible inthe last two weeks and have not
been able to do my job and getall of the last two episodes
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We've been just enjoying sometime, my wife and I, and the
internet has been challenging onthe ship, and so we're two
weeks behind but we're going toget those published.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
But if you did not get a chance to listen to the
Bobby Wade episode yet, youstill can listen to it and watch
it on the Facebook channelitself.
I've got our standardannouncements in the chat right
now.
I do want to say thank you toeverybody who has purchased my
daughter's book.
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I'm so grateful for the supportthat you've shown to my daughter
and to our family.
The Lord is just.
I'm so proud of Brie forwriting this book.
If you did not yet get a chanceto get your hands on the book,
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you can get it directly from thelink that's in the chat.
But we're proud of her.
My wife actually is just nowgetting the opportunity to read
the book on this cruise.
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And we have been talking about the book daily as
we've been walking cities.
We've been getting so many textmessages from you, dear friends
, letting us know how the bookhas impacted your life already,
and I want to say thank you forthose text messages.
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My daughter deeply appreciates your support.
We receive messages every dayto let us know that this book
has impacted you and we are sograteful for this.
My daughter is very grateful.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
But today we are incredibly honored and humbled
to have Bishop Harvey with ushonored and humbled to have
Bishop Harvey with us.
We love this man of God.
General Superintendent ofAustralia.
Pastors a great church, thePentecostals of Sydney.
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I recently saw there's apodcast.
One of the brethren in hischurch runs a podcast called
Hackpod and I recently saw anepisode where he was on there
and I'll put a link to that inthe chat as well.
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That was a great episode, butmy daughter Aliyah and I had the
privilege to come through thePentecostals of Sydney maybe
last year.
I guess my camera is doingsomething here.
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I don't know what's happening.
It looks like somebody's tryingto call me and this is.
I don't understand why peopledon't understand.
Apostolic mentoring is everysingle Monday at 1 pm Eastern
time is every single Monday at 1pm Eastern Time.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
I'm going to send this person a message and remind
them for sure.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
But we love Bishop Harvey and we want him to just
speak what thus saith the Lordand we thank him to just speak
what thus saith the Lord.
And we thank God for hisministry and his leadership, not
just in Australia but aroundthe world.
Bishop, thank you for beingwith us today and please take
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your liberty.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Thank you, Brother Robinette, and greetings
everybody.
I'm coming to you from Eureka,California, After having
attended General Conference inLong Beach and I had the
wonderful privilege of preachingfor Pastor McDonald yesterday
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and we had a wonderful move ofGod.
I will be traveling back toAustralia later this evening,
but I am so very privileged andhonored to be here on this
platform of apostolic mentoring.
I am so appreciative of theministry of Brother Robinette.
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As he said, he came overthrough as he was traveling
through to Sydney last year ashe was traveling through to
Sydney last year.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
And on that Sunday, when he ministered, we had 37
people receive the Holy Ghost onthat one day.
We were just so blown away bythat ministry, and so I am so
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thankful to be a part of thisplatform here today.
I was able to representAustralia at the General
Conference.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
The truth came to the name of.
Glenn Bogue came and preachedthe truth there and he built the
start of the church that I nowpastor in Sydney pastor in
Sydney.
And Australia is.
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The size of Australia is aboutthe size of the United States,
but with only 26 million people,not even the population of
California.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Not even the population of California, but we
have about 80 churches anddaughter works and we have 150
licensed ministers.
But for a small church I feellike we're kind of punching
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above our weight.
We've started mission fields inPapua New Guinea and the
Solomon Islands.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
And we have sent missionaries to Indonesia and
East Timor and also support alot of the works in the Pacific
Islands.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Nous avons été missionaires en Indonésie, en
Timor, et nous soutenons aussid'autres offres missionnaires.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
So I want to share something today that is on my
heart as superintendent of thework in Australia.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Je vais partager quelque chose qui est sur mon
cœur en tant que surintendant del'œuvre en Australie ce soir.
It is a very important issue, Ibelieve that can be a detriment
to the work of God.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
And as we push for a revival and a worldwide harvest.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
I think there are some things that we have to deal
with in order that the work isnot stymied.
I believe that there are thingsthat we have to be aware of as
leaders, because we are allsusceptible to weaknesses and
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shortcomings.
The Bible says that Elijah wasa man of like passions as we are
.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
That means that we share in the same human nature
that we have withvulnerabilities and
inconsistencies, and recently,we have seen very prominent
church leaders that have fallen.
Not necessarily within ourmovement, but large megachurch
pastors Just in the last 12months who have stepped away
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from ministry because of moralfailure and, in some cases,
outright abuse, and I'mconvinced that there is nothing
more detrimental or a reproachto Christ than when leaders fall
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, and so I just want to share afew statistics with you.
According to the FrancisSchaeffer Institute of Church
Leadership Development, selon ledéveloppement de l'Église, pour
le développement du mouvementthey surveyed over a thousand
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pastors.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Ils ont fait une enquête auprès d'une centaine de
pasteurs.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
They surveyed over a thousand pastors.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
And 100% of them had a close association or seminary
friend or buddy who had left theministry.
90% of the pastors stated thatthey are frequently fatigued.
That they are worn out on aweekly basis 89% of the pastors
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were surveyed were alsoconsidering leaving the ministry
at one time.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
57% said they would leave if they had a better place
to go, including secular work.
Now I realize that these arefrom all different denominations
, but even in the apostolicchurch we are not immune to the
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same struggles.
How many of us have also heardof ministers, pastors, who have
taken their own lives tragically, and we see time and again that
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people who have been inministry that have given up the
ministry and walked away fromthe Lord from the Lord.
And I know all of us differentones have all varied issues that
they struggle with.
But what I have been passionateabout is by teaching our
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leaders to learn the disciplineof self-awareness, and that's
what I'm going to talk abouttoday.
Paul admonishes, when takingthe communion, that a man should
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examine himself, that he shouldhave the sense of what's going
on inside of him, internally.
He tells us in 1 Corinthians 10and 12, he says let him that
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thinks he stands take heed lesthe fall.
It is just a simple warning thatwhen we think we are strong,
that's when we need to watch out.
Perhaps it is when we are atour strongest position, that is
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when we are the most vulnerable.
Brother Bernard at GeneralConference preached a wonderful
message and he cited Hebrews,chapter 2, that says therefore,
we ought to give the moreearnest heed, in verse 1, to the
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things which we have heard,lest at any time we should let
them slip.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Let them slip, verset 2.
C'est pourquoi nous devonsd'autant plus nous attacher aux
choses que nous avons entendues,de peur que nous nous soyons
portés loin d'elles.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
The writer of Hebrews encourages us to give heed to
the things which we have alreadyheard.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
L'auteur des Hébreux nous encourage à nous attacher
aux choses que nous avons déjàentendues Not just give heed to
it, but give it earnest heed.
Not just earnest heed, but moreearnest heed, lest we should
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allow those things to slip away.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
And that's how often a minister falls away.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
C'est souvent ainsi qu'un ministre tombe.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
It is not an overnight failure.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Ce n'est pas une chute ou un échec du jour au
lendemain.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
But it has been a long gradual process.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Mais c'est un processus long et graduel.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Of drifting.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
De s'éloigner.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Of slipping.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
That cannot always be seen on the surface.
It is not too obvious.
But it has been a gradualdecline Within the heart of the
man and woman of God.
Jeremiah reminds us that theheart is deceitful above all
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things, and it is desperatelywicked.
And then they ask the questionwho can know it?
Et il pose la question qui peutle connaître?
Speaker 3 (18:46):
And he says I, the Lord, search the heart.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
On dit moi, le Seigneur sonde les cœurs.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
And so I think this is what stands leaders above the
rest.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Je pense que c'est cela qui fait mettre les leaders
au-dessus des autres.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
It's this ability to look inwardly.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
C'est cette habilité de s'examiner à l'intérieur,
this, this ability to lookinwardly, the sense of
transcendence.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
The ability to assess oneself.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
And sometimes the courage to assess oneself, to be
able to see all of ourshortcomings and failures.
But just as a little disclaimerhere, I don't want us to
necessarily create a sense ofself-obsession or become so
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inward focused but I want us tohave a discipline of being able,
or become so inward focused,but I want us to have a
discipline of being able toguard our hearts.
That's what Proverbs 4 and 23says Keep your heart above all
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else, for it determines thecourse of your life, because we
cannot be oblivious to ourselves.
And oftentimes, as I said, weare unaware of the things that
are underneath.
Like a little, comme je dis, onn'est pas conscient des choses
qui sont en dessous.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Like a little leaven that ruins ultimately the whole
lump.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Comme un peu de levin qui va gâcher toute la pâte.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
In Matthew, chapter 7 , jesus calls us to pay
attention to ourselves.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Matthew, chapter 7, the Lord calls us to pay
attention to ourselves.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
In verse 1 of Matthew 7, he says judge, not that you
be not judged, For with thatjudgment, with what judgment you
judge, you will be judged, andwith the measure you use it will
be measured back to you.
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And verse 3, it says and why doyou look at the speck in your
brother's eye but do notconsider the plank in your own
eye?
He says we could be soproficient at looking at others'
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failures and yet be totallyignorant with this piece of
two-by-four sticking it out ofour eye.
Jesus calls him a hypocrite, andso this is something, I believe
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, that is so critical and such adrawback to revival and growth
Is when we offend other people,is when we are callous and
hurtful to others, and I believethat, as leaders, we must lead
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when it comes to finding a senseof self or emotional health.
John Calvin said withoutknowledge of self, there is no
knowledge of God, and I believethat when the unknown becomes
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known, transformation takesplace.
And when I say the unknown, I'mreferring to the blind spots
that we have, and we all havethem.
If we are honest enough, we allcan acknowledge that we have
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them and remember that we oftenjudge ourselves by our
intentions and we judge othersby their actions, and so this is
a discipline that is needed forministers and leaders.
So what do we needself-awareness in?
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Firstly, I believe we need aself-awareness of our sense of
cynicism, and cynicism is whenone becomes distrustful of human
sincerity.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Le cynisme, c'est quand on devient méfiant au
niveau de la sincérité humaine.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
And none of us start off in ministry with the goal of
becoming jaded or distrustfulPersonne tant que nous, on
commence le ministère avec ledestin de devenir méfiant.
All of us started in this witha sense of idealism.
We were filled with the zeal ofGod's work.
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We simply wanted to fulfill thegreat commission.
It was very, very simple, butas we are elevated into higher
levels of positions and dealingwith different levels of
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leadership and people, we gethurt.
We are overlooked.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
We get hurt, we are overlooked.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
We get disappointed.
Leaders disappoint us.
Even we feel a sense ofdisappointment from God and
slowly but surely we start tobecome cynical.
Somebody criticizes ourministry.
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A message or teaching orpreaching that we worked on for
hours.
We feel it didn't do so well.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
And oftentimes, when there's no acknowledgement, we
feel a sense of being deflatedand we start to question.
We question the sincerity orintentions of others.
We question the sincerity orintentions of others.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
And so how do we overcome this cynicism?
Well, cynics are never curiousand the curious are never
cynical.
So let's never lose that senseof curiosity.
Let's not lose that sense ofcuriosity.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Let's not lose that sense of wonder.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
A quote from Rabbi Abraham Heschel.
He said I didn't ask God forsuccess, but I asked for wonder
but I ask for wonder we can bein church for so long and become
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so used to even the presence ofGod that we can lose that sense
of wonder, that sense of wonder.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
That sense of awe.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
We simply just have to remember when we first
received the Holy Ghost.
It was the greatest experiencethat we've ever had.
When we were first baptized andcome to the realization that
God has removed all of our sins,there is just this overflowing
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joy.
But time has a way andsometimes the disappointments of
life have a way.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Of eroding away that sense of wonder, we've got to
remain curious and wonder of God.
Cultivate a teachable spirit.
Jesus said in Matthew 18,except you be converted and
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become as little children, youshall not enter into the kingdom
of heaven.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
This was his indictment towards the Pharisees
he was calling them to be aslittle children again, to have
that sense of awe and wonder.
Whosoever, therefore, shallhumble himself as this little
child, the same is the greatestin the kingdom of heaven.
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Remember, in the Garden of Eden, that this was the serpent's
mode of operation.
He created a sense of cynicismin the mind of Eden was the
snake's way of acting.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
He created a sense of cynicism in the mind of Eve and
Adam.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
By simply asking the question did God say you shall
not surely die, for he says.
For God knows that in the daythat you eat of it you will know
good and evil.
The serpent was creating thatsense of doubt towards God's
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intention towards them.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
This is in fact cynicism.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
So don't become jaded , don't allow the failures in
church to keep you fromcontinuing to have that sense of
wonder and awe for God.
Secondly, we should be aware ofour sense of ignorance.
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We need to have a knowledge ofthe extent of our own ignorance.
We know a lot of things, but wealso have to recognize that we
are unaware of many things.
I like the saying the more Iknow, the more I don't know.
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Paul tells us in 1 Corinthians13 that we only know in part in
verse number 9, and we prophesyin part.
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We only know a little sliver oftruth, oftentimes in any given
circumstance, and it's okay forus to say I don't know.
It's good to have a point ofview, but we must be aware of
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not becoming so opinionated,because opinions are like noses.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Everybody's got one.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Now it's important, of course we hold to our
convictions.
God's word never changes, butas we deal with people and
circumstances, we must oftenhave to reserve opinions.
You might get upset at someone,but don't be so critical of
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them and be judgmental, becausewe only see a short window of
our interaction with them andwe're not fully cognizant of
what they've been through.
Now I'm not excusing badbehavior or bad attitudes, but
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I'm just simply encouraging usfor us to be slow to react.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
But quick to react.
Mais je nous encourage à êtrelent à réagir.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
But quick to listen.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Mais prompt et rapide à écouter.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
In the story of the prodigal son.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Dans l'histoire du fils prodigue.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
The younger son was ignorant of the value of what he
had.
Le plus jeune était ignorant dela valeur qu'il avait that he
demanded to have his inheritancehe wasted it all in riotous
living, and then the Bible saysthat when he came to himself,
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when there was this sense ofself-awareness that came to life
in him, Quand la conscience desoi est revenue en lui.
He recognized that his servantsin his father's house had it
better than him.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Il a reconnu que les mercenaires dans la maison de
son père avaient une meilleurevie que lui-même.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
And thus his sense of redemption began.
Repentance started and he madehis way back to his father.
Now the older brother, however,was just as ignorant when he
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came back to the house and sawthat his father put on a feast
for his younger brother.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
And he got angry, was upset.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
But the reason he got angry was because he was also
ignorant.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
But the reason he got angry was because he was also
ignorant.
Ignorant in knowing of thevalue that he had.
In his relationship with hisfather and also in the life that
he was living.
In both instances, bothbrothers were ignorant, and one
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came to the realization of hisignorance but the other didn't,
and so it is vital that we areaware of that.
Thirdly, we should be aware ofour own arrogance.
Pride, of course, is one of themost insidious attributes.
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And it creeps us, creeps up inthe recesses of the human heart.
Sometimes, as leaders, we havethis sense of a need to always
be right.
This need to always be heard.
And, of course, pride is soinsidious, as I said, that the
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moment we think we've conqueredit, we lost it.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Pride comes back.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Pride comes before a fall.
Of course Satan was cast out ofheaven because of pride, and it
is something that, of course,as a leader, we are in an
elevated position.
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On Sundays we may be standingon an elevated platform, and
pride is something that we'vegot to constantly be on the
lookout against.
Humility is not necessarily toput yourself down, but somebody
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said humility is the accurateestimation of who you are in
Christ, that everything we haveis from God.
I'm not saying for us to beatourselves up over the head, but
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we must realize that it is inhim that we have everything in
this life, because humilitywithout God is simply putting
yourself down.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
But humility with God is recognizing who you really
are in Christ.
Philippians, chapter 2 andverse 3 tells us to it don't be
selfish, don't try to impressothers, but be humble, thinking
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of others as better thanyourselves.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Ne faites rien par esprit de partie de vaine gloire
, mais que l'humilité vous fasseregarder les autres comme étant
au-dessus de vous-même.
And the more we humbleourselves the Bible says, the
more God will lift us up.
The tragic story of King Saultells us that he was rejected
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because of pride.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
And obviously God allowed the children of Israel
to have a king and in fact hegave concessions in Deuteronomy,
chapter 17.
He gives allowance for a king,but he tells him in Deuteronomy
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17 that the king must not have alarge stable of horses verse 16
.
He tells him in verse 16.
He tells them in verse 17 theking must not have many wives
for himself, because they willturn his heart away from the
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Lord.
Exactly what happened to KingSolomon.
But he says, when he sits onthe throne as a king, exactly
what happened to King Solomon.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
But he says, when he sits on the throne as a king, he
must copy for himself in verse18, this body of instruction.
In other words, he must befocusing on God's word.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
He's allowing for them to be able to have a king,
but he gives these stipulationsbecause as a king, you're in an
elevated role, but you must haveall of these things that are in
moderation, so that his heartis not filled with pride.
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This is something that we mustbe very self-aware of.
Somebody said sometimes beingoffended is a sense of pride
said, sometimes being offendedis a sense of pride.
If someone thinks lesser of youor doesn't like your social
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media posts, or you don't getinvited to an event.
Sometimes we can feel slightedor offended.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Or you didn't invite an event.
Sometimes we can feel rejectedor offended, but it's simply our
pride reacting.
Sometimes we get upset at otherpeople's pride.
Ever experienced that?
Speaker 3 (40:54):
And that may come from a sense of our own pride,
superficiality, when we becomemore concerned about what others
think about us.
That is a sense of prideFinding fault in others.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
Or mocking.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
That is a sense of pride, even a sense of
defensiveness.
We become defensive, defensiveabout our ministries, defensive
about our positions.
And Jonathan Edwards said forthe humble Christian, the more
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the world is against him.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
The more the world is against him, the more silent
and still he will be, Unless itis in his prayer closet, and
there he will not be still.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
In Marshall Goldsmith's book what Got Us
here Won't Get Us there.
He says that when we get toupper levels of leadership, the
subtle behaviors and attitudesbecome more exaggerated in
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others.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
Les attitudes et comportements subtils deviennent
plus exacerbés chez les autres.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
And successful leaders have to become aware of
these nuanced habits.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
Et les leaders qui ont le succès doivent devenir
plus conscients de ces habitudes.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
He quotes that we so often focus on teaching leaders
of what they need to do.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
Il dit nous devons tellement conscients de ce que
les leaders doivent êtrerenseignés sur ce qu'ils ont
besoin de faire.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
And not enough of what they need to stop.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Et non vraiment sur ce qu'ils ont besoin d'arrêter.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
And he lists 20 things that we should stop.
And he lists 20 things that weshould stop and I don't have
time to go into all of that, butjust to name a few.
He says we need to stop winningtoo much.
The need to win.
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We have this need to win.
Winning too much, the need towin we have this need to win at
all costs.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
To win a debate, to win an argument.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
And sometimes we can win an argument.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
But lose a relationship.
I remember when I first startedgetting on to Facebook many
years ago.
We would start having all ofthese debates online.
On avait tous ces débats enligne.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
And I just felt that I needed to say something.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Et je ressentais le fait de dire quelque chose.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
But I quickly realized what was meant to be a
10-minute discussion.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
Je me suis rapidement rendu compte que ce qui était
censé être une discussion de 10minutes.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
I would end up being there for 3 hours Je finissais
par y être plus de 3 heures.
I would end up being there forthree hours responding to
arguments and after three hoursI realized I was never going to
get these people to believe theway I believe now.
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If that is your thing, thenthat's fine.
Go for it if you have that time.
But yeah, I quickly realized Idon't have time to be arguing,
making debates on social media.
We don't always have to winevery situation or we probably
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need to remove from our livesadding too much value.
We all know somebody thatalways has to add their two
cents to every discussion.
They always have to add theiropinion.
We don't have to always add toomuch value.
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We need to stop passingjudgment, stop making
destructive comments, stopsaying or starting a
conversation with no and thensaying however or but.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
And on and on.
I would encourage you.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
It's a great leadership book.
Number four we need to beself-aware of our own biases
because it's a great book onleadership.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
Fourth, we must be aware of our own flaws, or the
fact that we have too muchimportance to ourselves.
We have more interest in thosewho are close to us.
We must be sure that ourdecisions and our actions are
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not always self-serving.
Be cautious of nepotism, Givingpositions or opportunities to
only those who we are close to.
Obviously, we can't avoid usingthose that we trust that we've
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developed a relationship with.
Speaker 3 (47:14):
But I'm just talking about how it all starts, with a
sense of being aware of thesethings.
God is no respecter of persons,so be cautious of a sense of
favoritism.
James chapter 2.
So be careful with favoritism.
James chapter 2 he talks abouthow if in an assembly a man
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comes with a gold ring, who isvery wealthy, and another man
who is poor, who has got notgood raiment or clothing, and if
another man who is poor, whohas got not good raiment or
clothing, Et que si un autrepauvrement vêtu arrive.
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And you treat partially the onethat is wealthy over the one
that is poor.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
On a tendance à mieux traiter celui qui est riche que
celui qui est pauvre.
Speaker 3 (48:14):
I try to tell our church back home, because
whenever we have, for example,guest speakers that come from
overseas after service,everybody wants to take a selfie
with them, and that's wonderful.
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And yet there's somebody thatcomes through our doors, and
that's wonderful.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
And yet there's somebody that comes through our
doors.
Maybe doesn't look the part,maybe may even look disheveled
and doesn't smell very nice.
Speaker 3 (48:55):
I tell them, why don't you take a selfie with
them?
Speaker 2 (49:06):
Why don't you treat them with the same sense of
enthusiasm and excitement?
I think that would change theculture in our church, the whole
culture of our church.
Everybody wants to rubshoulders with the preachers.
Speaker 3 (49:25):
And again, that's fine, but it should never be at
the expense of those who come toour doors who need God.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
So let's be aware of our own biases.
Need God, but it should neverbe too dependent on those who
enter the church in need of.
God, so let's be aware of ourown biases.
Speaker 3 (49:46):
Let's be aware of number five be aware of our
assumptions or our world views.
Somebody said if you were ahammer, everything would look
like a nail.
We all have thesepresuppositions and it is often
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furnished by our lifeexperiences.
Our assumptions are formed byour cultures.
So let's be aware of ourassumptions.
Abraham assumed that thepromised inheritance may be
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through his servant or throughanother woman, and of course we
know the problem that hisassumptions caused.
So don't always assumeeverything by our
presuppositions.
Speaker 2 (50:58):
So don't always assume everything by our
presuppositions.
But if we will assume, let'salways assume the best.
Let's continue to assume thebest in people.
Speaker 3 (51:14):
And I'm on a hurry now.
Speaker 2 (51:20):
So, number six, let's be self-aware of our overload.
There's nothing, again, moredangerous to a leader than when
he is overloaded or burnt out.
Speaker 3 (51:36):
Somebody said much of Western civilization is ridden
with disease, and one of theworst diseases is hyperactivity,
especially when we have to dealwith ministry and balance
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ministry and work.
It is a challenging taskbalancing work, home and
ministry, and so we can easilybecome burnt out.
Speaker 2 (52:16):
And so we can easily become burnt out, and burnout
leads to all kinds ofdestruction in the life of a
leader.
It is a contributing factor tomarriage breakups.
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Depression.
Speaker 3 (52:42):
Backsliding and I know we want to give our all for
the Lord, but we must establishbalance.
The Lord gave the children ofIsrael Sabbaths for rest and I
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know there's many leaders whofeel guilty when they don't work
or they have to rest.
But you must give yourselfpermission.
Speaker 2 (53:20):
To have a Sabbath.
Speaker 3 (53:23):
I remember when Brother David Bernard talked
about how he took a longsabbatical period and I know
myself personally he gave me asense of permission to take time
off.
Speaker 2 (53:37):
And, of course, it is so refreshing and
reinvigorating, personally gaveme a sense of permission to take
time off Et cela m'a donnéaussi, à moi personnellement, la
permission de prendre du temps,and of course it is so
refreshing and reinvigorating.
Et c'est tellementrafraîchissant.
Speaker 3 (53:44):
Beware of the Messiah syndrome.
Speaker 2 (53:47):
Ayez conscience du syndrome de Messie.
Speaker 3 (53:50):
There is only one God .
Speaker 2 (53:52):
Il y a un seul Dieu.
Speaker 3 (53:53):
And you are not him.
Speaker 2 (53:55):
Et vous n'êtes pas Dieu.
There is only one Messiah andhe doesn't call us to be that.
So beware of your overload andmake sure you establish balance.
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Number seven we must be awareof our emptiness as ministers.
We can be so occupied withgiving and ministering and
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unfortunately I don't think it'sautomatic that we will be
refilled.
But we must be intentional withbeing filled, such as platforms
like this apostolic mentoring.
Speaker 3 (54:56):
I so enjoyed being a general conference where I
didn't have to minister, but Iwanted to just open my heart
completely and let the Lord fillme up again, and this we must
do on a regular basis.
Speaker 2 (55:16):
And this we must do on a regular basis.
So those are seven aspects.
I think we need to bedeveloping self-awareness in and
very quickly, just to encourageyou number one in order for us
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to develop more self-awareness,prayer and devotion is critical.
We must fight to protect ourtime of prayer and devotion, and
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I must confess that prayersometimes is a struggle, but
this is why it's calledspiritual disciplines.
Number two we must have trustedrelationships.
You need to have someone inyour life that can speak to you
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honestly and directly.
We all need pastors, even ifyou are a pastor.
Speaker 3 (56:33):
I encourage us that we all need a pastor for
ourselves, so make sure you havesomebody in your life that has
veto power in your life.
Number three journaling is veryimportant.
I always used to thinkjournaling is and please don't
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misunderstand what I'm saying Ialways felt like it was just for
adolescent girls that wouldwrite their journals, but when I
started journaling myself, itwas so helpful to be able to
reflect throughout my day.
Speaker 2 (57:24):
And if you don't have a lot of time for journaling, I
want to share a resource withyou.
It's called the 5-MinuteJournal by
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IntelligentChchangecom.
It helps us to get into a habitof self-reflection and it
literally only takes fiveminutes.
Number four understand yourlife story.
I don't know if you've everheard of the story of a man by
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the name of Bob Pierce.
He was the man that startedWorld Vision.
He grew it into a largeorganization, doing great things
, but even as he was helpingchildren all around the world,
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he neglected his own family,even where his daughter had
sought for his attention On theverge of suicide.
He refused to come home andsadly, she took her own life.
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He would be eventually kickedout of the board of World Vision
and he ended up passing away ina hospital somewhere in
Southeast Asia Without onefamily member beside him.
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So understand your life story.
Number five get some counselingAlways so helpful.
Nothing mystical aboutcounseling.
It's simply about sharingwhat's in your heart.
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Number six be honest withyourself.
Identify your strengths andyour weaknesses.
Number seven know youremotional triggers.
Speaker 3 (59:59):
Know when you are feeling a sense of emptiness and
being flat perhaps a craving, asense of dopamine increase, be
aware of those happy hormones.
They call it dose.
Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
Dopamine, oxytocin, serotonin and endorphins.
Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
And so it got to know sometimes when those things are
void from our bodies we tend toseek for things to compensate,
including food and for many, alot of young men, for example,
pornography.
Those things are so prevalenttoday, and particularly the
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younger generation.
Number eight be a student forlife.
There's always more that wedon't know than what we do know.
And number nine ask yourselfquestions.
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And just to end off, just acouple of resources.
A book by Carrie Newhoff CalledDidn't See it Coming.
I'm sorry the book is CalledDidn't See it Coming.
Sorry, the book is called, didNot See it Coming.
Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
And the book is called in English.
I Didn't See it Coming.
Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
And another book is called the Self-Aware Leader.
Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
And another book is called the Self-Aware Leader.
Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
By Terry Linhart.
Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
By Terry Linhart.
Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
Amen, well, I'll end it there.
Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
And I just want to say thank you again for this
opportunity to share with youand I want to encourage you to
continue in this discipline ofself-awareness.
Thank you, hey, Bishop Harveythis has been an incredible
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apostolic mentoring session.
Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
So much meat and just kingdom critical words.
I would really appreciate it,bishop, if you would just.
We have so many global leaderson this call and we have so many
nations represented everysingle week, and I just would
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really love it if you would justtake a moment and pray over
every one of these leaders, sir.
Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
Amen.
Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
Father.
I thank you, lord Jesus, forthis wonderful opportunity we
have together.
I pray, lord, now, as we gatheras ministers, leaders from all
around the world.
Lord God, that we occupy thiscritical position of being a
leader, lord God, that we don'twant to be a reproach to Christ
by our hypocrisy orinconsistency.
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Yet, knowing that we are flawedindividuals, that we are broken
human beings, lord, we are inneed of you, and so I pray, lord
God, that you would give usthis sense, a keen sense of
self-awareness, not to becomeself-absorbed or be
self-consumed, but, lord Jesus,help us to know that if there's
a plank in our eye, lord, thatwe would be able to deal with it
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.
Lord Jesus, as we lead ourpeople, as we lead our churches
into revival, into growth, letthere not be any kind of little
leavens that could ruin the lump, or little foxes that could
spoil the vine.
But, lord Jesus, let us be ashuman beings, as hearts, minds
that are clear and cleansed withGod and that have this ability,
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lord Jesus, to be able to be asense of self-awareness, of
knowing what's going on in ourhearts, that we would not be
cynical, that, even when thingsdon't turn out the way that we
expect or want it, lord God,that we would continue to stand
for you as examples, as beacons,as lights to those that are
around us, to continue to be anexample and a model for our
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faith in you.
Help us to be faithful asleaders.
Help us to be loving towardsour people, as shepherds,
leading them, lord, with loveand with kindness and with
gentleness.
Let us not only be proficientin ministry and proficient in
our work, lord God.
Let us not just be spiritual,but let us also be emotionally
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well and healthy and whole, thatwe may establish an environment
and cultures within ourchurches where people can thrive
and can grow and where love isshared among one another.
Continue to help us to grow,continue to bring revival and
fruit for our labors as leaders,as laborers in your vineyard,
lord God, in every portionthroughout this world of the
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great vineyard and the Lord ofthe harvest that would give to
us a great harvest in these lastdays.
I thank you, lord, for all ofthese leaders, as you bless us,
as you guide us, as you directus, in every aspect of our lives
and our ministry.
We thank you once again that wecan partner with you, that we
can work together with you forthis end time harvest.
We pray for your blessings tobe upon us and all of these
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leaders that are here today.
We give you all glory and honorin Jesus name.
Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
Amen Amen.
Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
Again, what a powerful kingdom critical word
we received today and, friends,I know we are so used to having
such kingdom critical words.
I pray that this word today isnot something that we just hear,
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but it's something that wedigest and we do something with
it.
Please share this episode withall of your friends, church
members, on your social mediapages.
Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
Merci de partager cette émission avec tous vos
amis, toutes vos relations,votre Église.
Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
This is so valuable for God's Church.
Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
Ça a tellement de valeur pour l'Église de Dieu.
Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
I've put in the chat just now.
Everybody take notice of thisreal quick.
I put the link to thefive-minute journal that Bishop
spoke about and the book.
What Got you here Won't Get youthere.
Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
Je viens de mettre des deux liens dans le
commentaire le journal de cinqminutes dont le Bishop a parlé
et le livre.
Ce qui t'a amené ici net'amènera pas là-bas.
Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
And I know that a lot of our Facebook viewers right
now are not seeing a lot of thistexting.
Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
I do apologize for that.
We're having trouble withinternet here on the ship and I
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couldn't get it to't allow us topost these comments.
Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
Bishop also gave other books here in the chat and
put it onto Facebook on thelive feed.
That way everybody there isable to get these books and
recommended resources as well.
Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
Quelqu'un qui a une bonne connexion internet, merci
de copier ces différents lienset de les mettre sur Facebook
pour que tout le monde puisseles avoir, and these will all be
available in the informationsection of the podcast and
YouTube channel as well.
I do want to say thank you allfor being here today.
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Thank you to Bishop Harvey.
Oh my goodness, what a word.
Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
Pastor Cook put in the chat just an amazing
statement about this man of Godthat I'm just going to say.
It was a direct message to me,but I think it's worthy to be
spoken out loud.
Pastor Cook had the opportunityto meet Bishop Harvey at
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General Conference.
This is a massive statementwhat I'm about to say, and what
I'm about to say isextraordinary, massive statement
.
Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
What I'm about to say , et ce que je suis au point de
dire est extraordinaire.
Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
Pastor Cook said I would have never known he was
the general superintendent ofAustralia.
Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
Pastor Cook a dit je n'aurais jamais pu penser qu'il
était le surintendant del'Australie.
Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
He didn't feel the need to tell Pastor Cook who he
really was.
Il n'a pas ressenti le besoinde dire à Pastor Cook qui il
était vraiment.
Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
They just connected and they were just servants of
the one true God together.
Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
And I just think Brother Cook said what a very
humble man and that's how I feltwhen my daughter and I got to
meet this man of God in Sydney,australia.
He just represents suchhumility and it was just an
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honor to get to be with him inthe church he pastors and in the
field that he leads.
Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
You guys know how I love genuine.
Genuine is cool.
I love genuine people, I lovesincere people.
Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
That's Bishop Harvey, really genuine apostolic leader
.
So don't forget, share, like,subscribe, get these words out
to people.
And I'm really excited aboutthe rest of this year of
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apostolic mentoring Some reallycool things that we're going to
be having we're going to tellyou about a little bit more
later, maybe next week.
I'll share with you some coolsecrets about what we're going
to do the rest of the year.
But looking forward to seeingyou all next Monday 1 pm Eastern
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Time and I think I'll be livefrom Columbus Ohio next week.
I think I can't remember.
Sister Robinette is sittingover here she said yes, that is
where I will be next Monday andthat will be great, but love you
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all very much.
Thank you to all of ourtranslators.
You all are amazing.
Thank you all for the birthdaywishes and anniversary wishes.
We have felt so loved andblessed by every message.
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Next year, instead of sendingmessages, feel free to send
money.
That's the first.
That's the second thing I've.
I've anything.
I've heard from sisterrobinette during this entire
session.
She reminded me I'd be in ohioon monday and then, when I said,
money she said yes yes, yes,thank you, brother sayers.
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He put in the chat a reminder.
Uh, don't forget one of thoseannouncements we want everybody
to fill out that review aboutapostolic mentoring, about.
He just put it in the chatabout moving to tuesdays so that
we could have more time, mywife and I could have more time
as a family each week uh, alsothank you, pastor sayers, for
having me in the comments.
Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
we are going to do a research among you for the
change from Monday to Tuesday,so that my wife and I can spend
more time together as a matterof fact, after hearing what
Brother Harvey said, if anybodyputs no on that, you are not in
the will of God.
And in fact after what BrotherHarvey said if someone says no,
you are not in the will of God.
Speaker 1 (01:13:15):
All right, do what you always do.
Take yourselves off mute.
Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
Say goodbye and I'll catch you all next Monday.
Goodbye everyone, God bless you, thank, you Thank you, god
bless you.
God bless you.
God bless you, god bless you,god bless you.
God bless you.
God bless you.
God bless you.
God bless you, god bless youGod bless you.
God bless you all.
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I love you so much.
God bless you.
Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
Brother Robinette, love you, love you, love you all
.
Speaker 3 (01:13:47):
It's an honor to be with you.
Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
Love you, Bishop Harvey.
I'll send you a text.
Love you, man of God.
Thank you.
Praise God, Well, praise the Lord everybody, and
welcome to Apostolic.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Mentoring.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
I greet you in the mighty name of Jesus from Athens
, Greece.
We are so thankful for what Godis doing through apostolic
mentoring all around the world.
I want to say thank you to allof you that are sharing and
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liking and subscribing toapostolic Mentoring Platforms.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Je veux dire merci à tous ceux d'entre vous qui
partagez et qui aiment laplateforme Mentor Apostolique.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
I want to thank you for your passion to equip
millions to reach billions.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Je veux vous remercier pour votre passion
d'équiper des millions pouréquiper des milliards.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
That is a partnership of faith, mandated calling.
We have to do it together.
And I want to say thank you toeverybody who is a part of that
kingdom mission.
It is so exciting to travelaround the world and meet people
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that are listening weekly toApostolic Mentoring.
As I told you last week, Ialways like to keep sharing how
great God is and what he's doing.
Through apostolic mentoring weare right now.
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We have active listeners in 125nations.
We have active listeners in 125countries 4,305 cities and we
have almost 100,000 subscribersto our podcast.
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So, God is really helping us toget the kingdom word out is
really helping us to get thekingdom word out.
And we are doing that togetherin the partnership of faith.
If you missed last week'ssession with Prophet Bobby Wade,
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I want to encourage you to goback and listen to that on
Facebook.
I have been irresponsible inthe last two weeks and have not
been able to do my job and getall of the last two episodes
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published on YouTube and thepodcast.
We've been just enjoying sometime, my wife and I, and the
internet has been challenging onthe ship, and so we're two
weeks behind but we're going toget those published.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
But if you did not get a chance to listen to the
Bobby Wade episode yet, youstill can listen to it and watch
it on the Facebook channelitself.
I've got our standardannouncements in the chat right
now.
I do want to say thank you toeverybody who has purchased my
daughter's book.
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I'm so grateful for the supportthat you've shown to my daughter
and to our family.
The Lord is just.
I'm so proud of Brie forwriting this book.
If you did not yet get a chanceto get your hands on the book,
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you can get it directly from thelink that's in the chat.
But we're proud of her.
My wife actually is just nowgetting the opportunity to read
the book on this cruise.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
And we have been talking about the book daily as
we've been walking cities.
We've been getting so many textmessages from you, dear friends
, letting us know how the bookhas impacted your life already,
and I want to say thank you forthose text messages.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
My daughter deeply appreciates your support.
We receive messages every dayto let us know that this book
has impacted you and we are sograteful for this.
My daughter is very grateful.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
But today we are incredibly honored and humbled
to have Bishop Harvey with ushonored and humbled to have
Bishop Harvey with us.
We love this man of God.
General Superintendent ofAustralia.
Pastors a great church, thePentecostals of Sydney.
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I recently saw there's apodcast.
One of the brethren in hischurch runs a podcast called
Hackpod and I recently saw anepisode where he was on there
and I'll put a link to that inthe chat as well.
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That was a great episode, butmy daughter Aliyah and I had the
privilege to come through thePentecostals of Sydney maybe
last year.
I guess my camera is doingsomething here.
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I don't know what's happening.
It looks like somebody's tryingto call me and this is.
I don't understand why peopledon't understand.
Apostolic mentoring is everysingle Monday at 1 pm Eastern
time is every single Monday at 1pm Eastern Time.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
I'm going to send this person a message and remind
them for sure.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
But we love Bishop Harvey and we want him to just
speak what thus saith the Lordand we thank him to just speak
what thus saith the Lord.
And we thank God for hisministry and his leadership, not
just in Australia but aroundthe world.
Bishop, thank you for beingwith us today and please take
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your liberty.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Thank you, Brother Robinette, and greetings
everybody.
I'm coming to you from Eureka,California, After having
attended General Conference inLong Beach and I had the
wonderful privilege of preachingfor Pastor McDonald yesterday
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and we had a wonderful move ofGod.
I will be traveling back toAustralia later this evening,
but I am so very privileged andhonored to be here on this
platform of apostolic mentoring.
I am so appreciative of theministry of Brother Robinette.
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As he said, he came overthrough as he was traveling
through to Sydney last year ashe was traveling through to
Sydney last year.
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And on that Sunday, when he ministered, we had 37
people receive the Holy Ghost onthat one day.
We were just so blown away bythat ministry, and so I am so
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thankful to be a part of thisplatform here today.
I was able to representAustralia at the General
Conference.
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The truth came to the name of.
Glenn Bogue came and preachedthe truth there and he built the
start of the church that I nowpastor in Sydney pastor in
Sydney.
And Australia is.
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The size of Australia is aboutthe size of the United States,
but with only 26 million people,not even the population of
California.
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Not even the population of California, but we
have about 80 churches anddaughter works and we have 150
licensed ministers.
But for a small church I feellike we're kind of punching
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above our weight.
We've started mission fields inPapua New Guinea and the
Solomon Islands.
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And we have sent missionaries to Indonesia and
East Timor and also support alot of the works in the Pacific
Islands.
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Nous avons été missionaires en Indonésie, en
Timor, et nous soutenons aussid'autres offres missionnaires.
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So I want to share something today that is on my
heart as superintendent of thework in Australia.
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Je vais partager quelque chose qui est sur mon
cœur en tant que surintendant del'œuvre en Australie ce soir.
It is a very important issue, Ibelieve that can be a detriment
to the work of God.
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And as we push for a revival and a worldwide harvest.
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I think there are some things that we have to deal
with in order that the work isnot stymied.
I believe that there are thingsthat we have to be aware of as
leaders, because we are allsusceptible to weaknesses and
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shortcomings.
The Bible says that Elijah wasa man of like passions as we are
.
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That means that we share in the same human nature
that we have withvulnerabilities and
inconsistencies, and recently,we have seen very prominent
church leaders that have fallen.
Not necessarily within ourmovement, but large megachurch
pastors Just in the last 12months who have stepped away
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from ministry because of moralfailure and, in some cases,
outright abuse, and I'mconvinced that there is nothing
more detrimental or a reproachto Christ than when leaders fall
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, and so I just want to share afew statistics with you.
According to the FrancisSchaeffer Institute of Church
Leadership Development, selon ledéveloppement de l'Église, pour
le développement du mouvementthey surveyed over a thousand
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pastors.
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Ils ont fait une enquête auprès d'une centaine de
pasteurs.
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They surveyed over a thousand pastors.
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And 100% of them had a close association or seminary
friend or buddy who had left theministry.
90% of the pastors stated thatthey are frequently fatigued.
That they are worn out on aweekly basis 89% of the pastors
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were surveyed were alsoconsidering leaving the ministry
at one time.
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57% said they would leave if they had a better place
to go, including secular work.
Now I realize that these arefrom all different denominations
, but even in the apostolicchurch we are not immune to the
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same struggles.
How many of us have also heardof ministers, pastors, who have
taken their own lives tragically, and we see time and again that
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people who have been inministry that have given up the
ministry and walked away fromthe Lord from the Lord.
And I know all of us differentones have all varied issues that
they struggle with.
But what I have been passionateabout is by teaching our
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leaders to learn the disciplineof self-awareness, and that's
what I'm going to talk abouttoday.
Paul admonishes, when takingthe communion, that a man should
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examine himself, that he shouldhave the sense of what's going
on inside of him, internally.
He tells us in 1 Corinthians 10and 12, he says let him that
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thinks he stands take heed lesthe fall.
It is just a simple warning thatwhen we think we are strong,
that's when we need to watch out.
Perhaps it is when we are atour strongest position, that is
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when we are the most vulnerable.
Brother Bernard at GeneralConference preached a wonderful
message and he cited Hebrews,chapter 2, that says therefore,
we ought to give the moreearnest heed, in verse 1, to the
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things which we have heard,lest at any time we should let
them slip.
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Let them slip, verset 2.
C'est pourquoi nous devonsd'autant plus nous attacher aux
choses que nous avons entendues,de peur que nous nous soyons
portés loin d'elles.
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The writer of Hebrews encourages us to give heed to
the things which we have alreadyheard.
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L'auteur des Hébreux nous encourage à nous attacher
aux choses que nous avons déjàentendues Not just give heed to
it, but give it earnest heed.
Not just earnest heed, but moreearnest heed, lest we should
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allow those things to slip away.
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And that's how often a minister falls away.
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C'est souvent ainsi qu'un ministre tombe.
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It is not an overnight failure.
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Ce n'est pas une chute ou un échec du jour au
lendemain.
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But it has been a long gradual process.
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Mais c'est un processus long et graduel.
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Of drifting.
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De s'éloigner.
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Of slipping.
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That cannot always be seen on the surface.
It is not too obvious.
But it has been a gradualdecline Within the heart of the
man and woman of God.
Jeremiah reminds us that theheart is deceitful above all
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things, and it is desperatelywicked.
And then they ask the questionwho can know it?
Et il pose la question qui peutle connaître?
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And he says I, the Lord, search the heart.
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On dit moi, le Seigneur sonde les cœurs.
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And so I think this is what stands leaders above the
rest.
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Je pense que c'est cela qui fait mettre les leaders
au-dessus des autres.
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It's this ability to look inwardly.
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C'est cette habilité de s'examiner à l'intérieur,
this, this ability to lookinwardly, the sense of
transcendence.
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The ability to assess oneself.
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And sometimes the courage to assess oneself, to be
able to see all of ourshortcomings and failures.
But just as a little disclaimerhere, I don't want us to
necessarily create a sense ofself-obsession or become so
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inward focused but I want us tohave a discipline of being able,
or become so inward focused,but I want us to have a
discipline of being able toguard our hearts.
That's what Proverbs 4 and 23says Keep your heart above all
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else, for it determines thecourse of your life, because we
cannot be oblivious to ourselves.
And oftentimes, as I said, weare unaware of the things that
are underneath.
Like a little, comme je dis, onn'est pas conscient des choses
qui sont en dessous.
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Like a little leaven that ruins ultimately the whole
lump.
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Comme un peu de levin qui va gâcher toute la pâte.
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In Matthew, chapter 7 , jesus calls us to pay
attention to ourselves.
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Matthew, chapter 7, the Lord calls us to pay
attention to ourselves.
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In verse 1 of Matthew 7, he says judge, not that you
be not judged, For with thatjudgment, with what judgment you
judge, you will be judged, andwith the measure you use it will
be measured back to you.
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And verse 3, it says and why doyou look at the speck in your
brother's eye but do notconsider the plank in your own
eye?
He says we could be soproficient at looking at others'
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failures and yet be totallyignorant with this piece of
two-by-four sticking it out ofour eye.
Jesus calls him a hypocrite, andso this is something, I believe
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, that is so critical and such adrawback to revival and growth
Is when we offend other people,is when we are callous and
hurtful to others, and I believethat, as leaders, we must lead
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when it comes to finding a senseof self or emotional health.
John Calvin said withoutknowledge of self, there is no
knowledge of God, and I believethat when the unknown becomes
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known, transformation takesplace.
And when I say the unknown, I'mreferring to the blind spots
that we have, and we all havethem.
If we are honest enough, we allcan acknowledge that we have
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them and remember that we oftenjudge ourselves by our
intentions and we judge othersby their actions, and so this is
a discipline that is needed forministers and leaders.
So what do we needself-awareness in?
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Firstly, I believe we need aself-awareness of our sense of
cynicism, and cynicism is whenone becomes distrustful of human
sincerity.
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Le cynisme, c'est quand on devient méfiant au
niveau de la sincérité humaine.
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And none of us start off in ministry with the goal of
becoming jaded or distrustfulPersonne tant que nous, on
commence le ministère avec ledestin de devenir méfiant.
All of us started in this witha sense of idealism.
We were filled with the zeal ofGod's work.
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We simply wanted to fulfill thegreat commission.
It was very, very simple, butas we are elevated into higher
levels of positions and dealingwith different levels of
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leadership and people, we gethurt.
We are overlooked.
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We get hurt, we are overlooked.
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We get disappointed.
Leaders disappoint us.
Even we feel a sense ofdisappointment from God and
slowly but surely we start tobecome cynical.
Somebody criticizes ourministry.
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A message or teaching orpreaching that we worked on for
hours.
We feel it didn't do so well.
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And oftentimes, when there's no acknowledgement, we
feel a sense of being deflatedand we start to question.
We question the sincerity orintentions of others.
We question the sincerity orintentions of others.
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And so how do we overcome this cynicism?
Well, cynics are never curiousand the curious are never
cynical.
So let's never lose that senseof curiosity.
Let's not lose that sense ofcuriosity.
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Let's not lose that sense of wonder.
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A quote from Rabbi Abraham Heschel.
He said I didn't ask God forsuccess, but I asked for wonder
but I ask for wonder we can bein church for so long and become
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so used to even the presence ofGod that we can lose that sense
of wonder, that sense of wonder.
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That sense of awe.
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We simply just have to remember when we first
received the Holy Ghost.
It was the greatest experiencethat we've ever had.
When we were first baptized andcome to the realization that
God has removed all of our sins,there is just this overflowing
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joy.
But time has a way andsometimes the disappointments of
life have a way.
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Of eroding away that sense of wonder, we've got to
remain curious and wonder of God.
Cultivate a teachable spirit.
Jesus said in Matthew 18,except you be converted and
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become as little children, youshall not enter into the kingdom
of heaven.
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This was his indictment towards the Pharisees
he was calling them to be aslittle children again, to have
that sense of awe and wonder.
Whosoever, therefore, shallhumble himself as this little
child, the same is the greatestin the kingdom of heaven.
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Remember, in the Garden of Eden, that this was the serpent's
mode of operation.
He created a sense of cynicismin the mind of Eden was the
snake's way of acting.
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He created a sense of cynicism in the mind of Eve and
Adam.
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By simply asking the question did God say you shall
not surely die, for he says.
For God knows that in the daythat you eat of it you will know
good and evil.
The serpent was creating thatsense of doubt towards God's
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intention towards them.
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This is in fact cynicism.
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So don't become jaded , don't allow the failures in
church to keep you fromcontinuing to have that sense of
wonder and awe for God.
Secondly, we should be aware ofour sense of ignorance.
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We need to have a knowledge ofthe extent of our own ignorance.
We know a lot of things, but wealso have to recognize that we
are unaware of many things.
I like the saying the more Iknow, the more I don't know.
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Paul tells us in 1 Corinthians13 that we only know in part in
verse number 9, and we prophesyin part.
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We only know a little sliver oftruth, oftentimes in any given
circumstance, and it's okay forus to say I don't know.
It's good to have a point ofview, but we must be aware of
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not becoming so opinionated,because opinions are like noses.
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Everybody's got one.
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Now it's important, of course we hold to our
convictions.
God's word never changes, butas we deal with people and
circumstances, we must oftenhave to reserve opinions.
You might get upset at someone,but don't be so critical of
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them and be judgmental, becausewe only see a short window of
our interaction with them andwe're not fully cognizant of
what they've been through.
Now I'm not excusing badbehavior or bad attitudes, but
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I'm just simply encouraging usfor us to be slow to react.
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But quick to react.
Mais je nous encourage à êtrelent à réagir.
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But quick to listen.
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Mais prompt et rapide à écouter.
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In the story of the prodigal son.
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Dans l'histoire du fils prodigue.
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The younger son was ignorant of the value of what he
had.
Le plus jeune était ignorant dela valeur qu'il avait that he
demanded to have his inheritancehe wasted it all in riotous
living, and then the Bible saysthat when he came to himself,
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when there was this sense ofself-awareness that came to life
in him, Quand la conscience desoi est revenue en lui.
He recognized that his servantsin his father's house had it
better than him.
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Il a reconnu que les mercenaires dans la maison de
son père avaient une meilleurevie que lui-même.
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And thus his sense of redemption began.
Repentance started and he madehis way back to his father.
Now the older brother, however,was just as ignorant when he
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came back to the house and sawthat his father put on a feast
for his younger brother.
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And he got angry, was upset.
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But the reason he got angry was because he was also
ignorant.
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But the reason he got angry was because he was also
ignorant.
Ignorant in knowing of thevalue that he had.
In his relationship with hisfather and also in the life that
he was living.
In both instances, bothbrothers were ignorant, and one
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came to the realization of hisignorance but the other didn't,
and so it is vital that we areaware of that.
Thirdly, we should be aware ofour own arrogance.
Pride, of course, is one of themost insidious attributes.
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And it creeps us, creeps up inthe recesses of the human heart.
Sometimes, as leaders, we havethis sense of a need to always
be right.
This need to always be heard.
And, of course, pride is soinsidious, as I said, that the
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moment we think we've conqueredit, we lost it.
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Pride comes back.
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Pride comes before a fall.
Of course Satan was cast out ofheaven because of pride, and it
is something that, of course,as a leader, we are in an
elevated position.
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On Sundays we may be standingon an elevated platform, and
pride is something that we'vegot to constantly be on the
lookout against.
Humility is not necessarily toput yourself down, but somebody
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said humility is the accurateestimation of who you are in
Christ, that everything we haveis from God.
I'm not saying for us to beatourselves up over the head, but
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we must realize that it is inhim that we have everything in
this life, because humilitywithout God is simply putting
yourself down.
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But humility with God is recognizing who you really
are in Christ.
Philippians, chapter 2 andverse 3 tells us to it don't be
selfish, don't try to impressothers, but be humble, thinking
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of others as better thanyourselves.
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Ne faites rien par esprit de partie de vaine gloire
, mais que l'humilité vous fasseregarder les autres comme étant
au-dessus de vous-même.
And the more we humbleourselves the Bible says, the
more God will lift us up.
The tragic story of King Saultells us that he was rejected
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because of pride.
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And obviously God allowed the children of Israel
to have a king and in fact hegave concessions in Deuteronomy,
chapter 17.
He gives allowance for a king,but he tells him in Deuteronomy
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17 that the king must not have alarge stable of horses verse 16
.
He tells him in verse 16.
He tells them in verse 17 theking must not have many wives
for himself, because they willturn his heart away from the
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Lord.
Exactly what happened to KingSolomon.
But he says, when he sits onthe throne as a king, exactly
what happened to King Solomon.
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But he says, when he sits on the throne as a king, he
must copy for himself in verse18, this body of instruction.
In other words, he must befocusing on God's word.
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He's allowing for them to be able to have a king,
but he gives these stipulationsbecause as a king, you're in an
elevated role, but you must haveall of these things that are in
moderation, so that his heartis not filled with pride.
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This is something that we mustbe very self-aware of.
Somebody said sometimes beingoffended is a sense of pride
said, sometimes being offendedis a sense of pride.
If someone thinks lesser of youor doesn't like your social
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media posts, or you don't getinvited to an event.
Sometimes we can feel slightedor offended.
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Or you didn't invite an event.
Sometimes we can feel rejectedor offended, but it's simply our
pride reacting.
Sometimes we get upset at otherpeople's pride.
Ever experienced that?
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And that may come from a sense of our own pride,
superficiality, when we becomemore concerned about what others
think about us.
That is a sense of prideFinding fault in others.
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Or mocking.
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That is a sense of pride, even a sense of
defensiveness.
We become defensive, defensiveabout our ministries, defensive
about our positions.
And Jonathan Edwards said forthe humble Christian, the more
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the world is against him.
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The more the world is against him, the more silent
and still he will be, Unless itis in his prayer closet, and
there he will not be still.
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In Marshall Goldsmith's book what Got Us
here Won't Get Us there.
He says that when we get toupper levels of leadership, the
subtle behaviors and attitudesbecome more exaggerated in
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others.
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Les attitudes et comportements subtils deviennent
plus exacerbés chez les autres.
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And successful leaders have to become aware of
these nuanced habits.
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Et les leaders qui ont le succès doivent devenir
plus conscients de ces habitudes.
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He quotes that we so often focus on teaching leaders
of what they need to do.
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Il dit nous devons tellement conscients de ce que
les leaders doivent êtrerenseignés sur ce qu'ils ont
besoin de faire.
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And not enough of what they need to stop.
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Et non vraiment sur ce qu'ils ont besoin d'arrêter.
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And he lists 20 things that we should stop.
And he lists 20 things that weshould stop and I don't have
time to go into all of that, butjust to name a few.
He says we need to stop winningtoo much.
The need to win.
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We have this need to win.
Winning too much, the need towin we have this need to win at
all costs.
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To win a debate, to win an argument.
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And sometimes we can win an argument.
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But lose a relationship.
I remember when I first startedgetting on to Facebook many
years ago.
We would start having all ofthese debates online.
On avait tous ces débats enligne.
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And I just felt that I needed to say something.
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Et je ressentais le fait de dire quelque chose.
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But I quickly realized what was meant to be a
10-minute discussion.
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Je me suis rapidement rendu compte que ce qui était
censé être une discussion de 10minutes.
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I would end up being there for 3 hours Je finissais
par y être plus de 3 heures.
I would end up being there forthree hours responding to
arguments and after three hoursI realized I was never going to
get these people to believe theway I believe now.
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If that is your thing, thenthat's fine.
Go for it if you have that time.
But yeah, I quickly realized Idon't have time to be arguing,
making debates on social media.
We don't always have to winevery situation or we probably
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need to remove from our livesadding too much value.
We all know somebody thatalways has to add their two
cents to every discussion.
They always have to add theiropinion.
We don't have to always add toomuch value.
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We need to stop passingjudgment, stop making
destructive comments, stopsaying or starting a
conversation with no and thensaying however or but.
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And on and on.
I would encourage you.
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It's a great leadership book.
Number four we need to beself-aware of our own biases
because it's a great book onleadership.
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Fourth, we must be aware of our own flaws, or the
fact that we have too muchimportance to ourselves.
We have more interest in thosewho are close to us.
We must be sure that ourdecisions and our actions are
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not always self-serving.
Be cautious of nepotism, Givingpositions or opportunities to
only those who we are close to.
Obviously, we can't avoid usingthose that we trust that we've
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developed a relationship with.
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But I'm just talking about how it all starts, with a
sense of being aware of thesethings.
God is no respecter of persons,so be cautious of a sense of
favoritism.
James chapter 2.
So be careful with favoritism.
James chapter 2 he talks abouthow if in an assembly a man
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comes with a gold ring, who isvery wealthy, and another man
who is poor, who has got notgood raiment or clothing, and if
another man who is poor, whohas got not good raiment or
clothing, Et que si un autrepauvrement vêtu arrive.
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And you treat partially the onethat is wealthy over the one
that is poor.
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On a tendance à mieux traiter celui qui est riche que
celui qui est pauvre.
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I try to tell our church back home, because
whenever we have, for example,guest speakers that come from
overseas after service,everybody wants to take a selfie
with them, and that's wonderful.
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And yet there's somebody thatcomes through our doors, and
that's wonderful.
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And yet there's somebody that comes through our
doors.
Maybe doesn't look the part,maybe may even look disheveled
and doesn't smell very nice.
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I tell them, why don't you take a selfie with
them?
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Why don't you treat them with the same sense of
enthusiasm and excitement?
I think that would change theculture in our church, the whole
culture of our church.
Everybody wants to rubshoulders with the preachers.
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And again, that's fine, but it should never be at
the expense of those who come toour doors who need God.
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So let's be aware of our own biases.
Need God, but it should neverbe too dependent on those who
enter the church in need of.
God, so let's be aware of ourown biases.
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Let's be aware of number five be aware of our
assumptions or our world views.
Somebody said if you were ahammer, everything would look
like a nail.
We all have thesepresuppositions and it is often
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furnished by our lifeexperiences.
Our assumptions are formed byour cultures.
So let's be aware of ourassumptions.
Abraham assumed that thepromised inheritance may be
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through his servant or throughanother woman, and of course we
know the problem that hisassumptions caused.
So don't always assumeeverything by our
presuppositions.
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So don't always assume everything by our
presuppositions.
But if we will assume, let'salways assume the best.
Let's continue to assume thebest in people.
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And I'm on a hurry now.
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So, number six, let's be self-aware of our overload.
There's nothing, again, moredangerous to a leader than when
he is overloaded or burnt out.
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Somebody said much of Western civilization is ridden
with disease, and one of theworst diseases is hyperactivity,
especially when we have to dealwith ministry and balance
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ministry and work.
It is a challenging taskbalancing work, home and
ministry, and so we can easilybecome burnt out.
Speaker 2 (52:16):
And so we can easily become burnt out, and burnout
leads to all kinds ofdestruction in the life of a
leader.
It is a contributing factor tomarriage breakups.
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Depression.
Speaker 3 (52:42):
Backsliding and I know we want to give our all for
the Lord, but we must establishbalance.
The Lord gave the children ofIsrael Sabbaths for rest and I
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know there's many leaders whofeel guilty when they don't work
or they have to rest.
But you must give yourselfpermission.
Speaker 2 (53:20):
To have a Sabbath.
Speaker 3 (53:23):
I remember when Brother David Bernard talked
about how he took a longsabbatical period and I know
myself personally he gave me asense of permission to take time
off.
Speaker 2 (53:37):
And, of course, it is so refreshing and
reinvigorating, personally gaveme a sense of permission to take
time off Et cela m'a donnéaussi, à moi personnellement, la
permission de prendre du temps,and of course it is so
refreshing and reinvigorating.
Et c'est tellementrafraîchissant.
Speaker 3 (53:44):
Beware of the Messiah syndrome.
Speaker 2 (53:47):
Ayez conscience du syndrome de Messie.
Speaker 3 (53:50):
There is only one God .
Speaker 2 (53:52):
Il y a un seul Dieu.
Speaker 3 (53:53):
And you are not him.
Speaker 2 (53:55):
Et vous n'êtes pas Dieu.
There is only one Messiah andhe doesn't call us to be that.
So beware of your overload andmake sure you establish balance.
(54:15):
Number seven we must be awareof our emptiness as ministers.
We can be so occupied withgiving and ministering and
(54:37):
unfortunately I don't think it'sautomatic that we will be
refilled.
But we must be intentional withbeing filled, such as platforms
like this apostolic mentoring.
Speaker 3 (54:56):
I so enjoyed being a general conference where I
didn't have to minister, but Iwanted to just open my heart
completely and let the Lord fillme up again, and this we must
do on a regular basis.
Speaker 2 (55:16):
And this we must do on a regular basis.
So those are seven aspects.
I think we need to bedeveloping self-awareness in and
very quickly, just to encourageyou number one in order for us
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to develop more self-awareness,prayer and devotion is critical.
We must fight to protect ourtime of prayer and devotion, and
(55:58):
I must confess that prayersometimes is a struggle, but
this is why it's calledspiritual disciplines.
Number two we must have trustedrelationships.
You need to have someone inyour life that can speak to you
(56:21):
honestly and directly.
We all need pastors, even ifyou are a pastor.
Speaker 3 (56:33):
I encourage us that we all need a pastor for
ourselves, so make sure you havesomebody in your life that has
veto power in your life.
Number three journaling is veryimportant.
I always used to thinkjournaling is and please don't
(56:57):
misunderstand what I'm saying Ialways felt like it was just for
adolescent girls that wouldwrite their journals, but when I
started journaling myself, itwas so helpful to be able to
reflect throughout my day.
Speaker 2 (57:24):
And if you don't have a lot of time for journaling, I
want to share a resource withyou.
It's called the 5-MinuteJournal by
(57:47):
IntelligentChchangecom.
It helps us to get into a habitof self-reflection and it
literally only takes fiveminutes.
Number four understand yourlife story.
I don't know if you've everheard of the story of a man by
(58:08):
the name of Bob Pierce.
He was the man that startedWorld Vision.
He grew it into a largeorganization, doing great things
, but even as he was helpingchildren all around the world,
(58:31):
he neglected his own family,even where his daughter had
sought for his attention On theverge of suicide.
He refused to come home andsadly, she took her own life.
(58:52):
He would be eventually kickedout of the board of World Vision
and he ended up passing away ina hospital somewhere in
Southeast Asia Without onefamily member beside him.
(59:19):
So understand your life story.
Number five get some counselingAlways so helpful.
Nothing mystical aboutcounseling.
It's simply about sharingwhat's in your heart.
(59:39):
Number six be honest withyourself.
Identify your strengths andyour weaknesses.
Number seven know youremotional triggers.
Speaker 3 (59:59):
Know when you are feeling a sense of emptiness and
being flat perhaps a craving, asense of dopamine increase, be
aware of those happy hormones.
They call it dose.
Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
Dopamine, oxytocin, serotonin and endorphins.
Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
And so it got to know sometimes when those things are
void from our bodies we tend toseek for things to compensate,
including food and for many, alot of young men, for example,
pornography.
Those things are so prevalenttoday, and particularly the
(01:00:56):
younger generation.
Number eight be a student forlife.
There's always more that wedon't know than what we do know.
And number nine ask yourselfquestions.
(01:01:18):
And just to end off, just acouple of resources.
A book by Carrie Newhoff CalledDidn't See it Coming.
I'm sorry the book is CalledDidn't See it Coming.
Sorry, the book is called, didNot See it Coming.
Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
And the book is called in English.
I Didn't See it Coming.
Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
And another book is called the Self-Aware Leader.
Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
And another book is called the Self-Aware Leader.
Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
By Terry Linhart.
Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
By Terry Linhart.
Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
Amen, well, I'll end it there.
Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
And I just want to say thank you again for this
opportunity to share with youand I want to encourage you to
continue in this discipline ofself-awareness.
Thank you, hey, Bishop Harveythis has been an incredible
(01:02:28):
apostolic mentoring session.
Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
So much meat and just kingdom critical words.
I would really appreciate it,bishop, if you would just.
We have so many global leaderson this call and we have so many
nations represented everysingle week, and I just would
(01:02:56):
really love it if you would justtake a moment and pray over
every one of these leaders, sir.
Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
Amen.
Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
Father.
I thank you, lord Jesus, forthis wonderful opportunity we
have together.
I pray, lord, now, as we gatheras ministers, leaders from all
around the world.
Lord God, that we occupy thiscritical position of being a
leader, lord God, that we don'twant to be a reproach to Christ
by our hypocrisy orinconsistency.
(01:03:28):
Yet, knowing that we are flawedindividuals, that we are broken
human beings, lord, we are inneed of you, and so I pray, lord
God, that you would give usthis sense, a keen sense of
self-awareness, not to becomeself-absorbed or be
self-consumed, but, lord Jesus,help us to know that if there's
a plank in our eye, lord, thatwe would be able to deal with it
(01:03:50):
.
Lord Jesus, as we lead ourpeople, as we lead our churches
into revival, into growth, letthere not be any kind of little
leavens that could ruin the lump, or little foxes that could
spoil the vine.
But, lord Jesus, let us be ashuman beings, as hearts, minds
that are clear and cleansed withGod and that have this ability,
(01:04:13):
lord Jesus, to be able to be asense of self-awareness, of
knowing what's going on in ourhearts, that we would not be
cynical, that, even when thingsdon't turn out the way that we
expect or want it, lord God,that we would continue to stand
for you as examples, as beacons,as lights to those that are
around us, to continue to be anexample and a model for our
(01:04:38):
faith in you.
Help us to be faithful asleaders.
Help us to be loving towardsour people, as shepherds,
leading them, lord, with loveand with kindness and with
gentleness.
Let us not only be proficientin ministry and proficient in
our work, lord God.
Let us not just be spiritual,but let us also be emotionally
(01:04:59):
well and healthy and whole, thatwe may establish an environment
and cultures within ourchurches where people can thrive
and can grow and where love isshared among one another.
Continue to help us to grow,continue to bring revival and
fruit for our labors as leaders,as laborers in your vineyard,
lord God, in every portionthroughout this world of the
(01:05:22):
great vineyard and the Lord ofthe harvest that would give to
us a great harvest in these lastdays.
I thank you, lord, for all ofthese leaders, as you bless us,
as you guide us, as you directus, in every aspect of our lives
and our ministry.
We thank you once again that wecan partner with you, that we
can work together with you forthis end time harvest.
We pray for your blessings tobe upon us and all of these
(01:05:45):
leaders that are here today.
We give you all glory and honorin Jesus name.
Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
Amen Amen.
Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
Again, what a powerful kingdom critical word
we received today and, friends,I know we are so used to having
such kingdom critical words.
I pray that this word today isnot something that we just hear,
(01:06:17):
but it's something that wedigest and we do something with
it.
Please share this episode withall of your friends, church
members, on your social mediapages.
Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
Merci de partager cette émission avec tous vos
amis, toutes vos relations,votre Église.
Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
This is so valuable for God's Church.
Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
Ça a tellement de valeur pour l'Église de Dieu.
Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
I've put in the chat just now.
Everybody take notice of thisreal quick.
I put the link to thefive-minute journal that Bishop
spoke about and the book.
What Got you here Won't Get youthere.
Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
Je viens de mettre des deux liens dans le
commentaire le journal de cinqminutes dont le Bishop a parlé
et le livre.
Ce qui t'a amené ici net'amènera pas là-bas.
Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
And I know that a lot of our Facebook viewers right
now are not seeing a lot of thistexting.
Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
I do apologize for that.
We're having trouble withinternet here on the ship and I
(01:07:49):
couldn't get it to't allow us topost these comments.
Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
Bishop also gave other books here in the chat and
put it onto Facebook on thelive feed.
That way everybody there isable to get these books and
recommended resources as well.
Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
Quelqu'un qui a une bonne connexion internet, merci
de copier ces différents lienset de les mettre sur Facebook
pour que tout le monde puisseles avoir, and these will all be
available in the informationsection of the podcast and
YouTube channel as well.
I do want to say thank you allfor being here today.
(01:08:33):
Thank you to Bishop Harvey.
Oh my goodness, what a word.
Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
Pastor Cook put in the chat just an amazing
statement about this man of Godthat I'm just going to say.
It was a direct message to me,but I think it's worthy to be
spoken out loud.
Pastor Cook had the opportunityto meet Bishop Harvey at
(01:09:05):
General Conference.
This is a massive statementwhat I'm about to say, and what
I'm about to say isextraordinary, massive statement
.
Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
What I'm about to say , et ce que je suis au point de
dire est extraordinaire.
Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
Pastor Cook said I would have never known he was
the general superintendent ofAustralia.
Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
Pastor Cook a dit je n'aurais jamais pu penser qu'il
était le surintendant del'Australie.
Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
He didn't feel the need to tell Pastor Cook who he
really was.
Il n'a pas ressenti le besoinde dire à Pastor Cook qui il
était vraiment.
Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
They just connected and they were just servants of
the one true God together.
Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
And I just think Brother Cook said what a very
humble man and that's how I feltwhen my daughter and I got to
meet this man of God in Sydney,australia.
He just represents suchhumility and it was just an
(01:10:10):
honor to get to be with him inthe church he pastors and in the
field that he leads.
Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
You guys know how I love genuine.
Genuine is cool.
I love genuine people, I lovesincere people.
Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
That's Bishop Harvey, really genuine apostolic leader
.
So don't forget, share, like,subscribe, get these words out
to people.
And I'm really excited aboutthe rest of this year of
(01:10:55):
apostolic mentoring Some reallycool things that we're going to
be having we're going to tellyou about a little bit more
later, maybe next week.
I'll share with you some coolsecrets about what we're going
to do the rest of the year.
But looking forward to seeingyou all next Monday 1 pm Eastern
(01:11:21):
Time and I think I'll be livefrom Columbus Ohio next week.
I think I can't remember.
Sister Robinette is sittingover here she said yes, that is
where I will be next Monday andthat will be great, but love you
(01:11:43):
all very much.
Thank you to all of ourtranslators.
You all are amazing.
Thank you all for the birthdaywishes and anniversary wishes.
We have felt so loved andblessed by every message.
(01:12:04):
Next year, instead of sendingmessages, feel free to send
money.
That's the first.
That's the second thing I've.
I've anything.
I've heard from sisterrobinette during this entire
session.
She reminded me I'd be in ohioon monday and then, when I said,
money she said yes yes, yes,thank you, brother sayers.
(01:12:34):
He put in the chat a reminder.
Uh, don't forget one of thoseannouncements we want everybody
to fill out that review aboutapostolic mentoring, about.
He just put it in the chatabout moving to tuesdays so that
we could have more time, mywife and I could have more time
as a family each week uh, alsothank you, pastor sayers, for
having me in the comments.
Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
we are going to do a research among you for the
change from Monday to Tuesday,so that my wife and I can spend
more time together as a matterof fact, after hearing what
Brother Harvey said, if anybodyputs no on that, you are not in
the will of God.
And in fact after what BrotherHarvey said if someone says no,
you are not in the will of God.
Speaker 1 (01:13:15):
All right, do what you always do.
Take yourselves off mute.
Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
Say goodbye and I'll catch you all next Monday.
Goodbye everyone, God bless you, thank, you Thank you, god
bless you.
God bless you.
God bless you, god bless you,god bless you.
God bless you.
God bless you.
God bless you.
God bless you, god bless youGod bless you.
God bless you all.
(01:13:42):
I love you so much.
God bless you.
Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
Brother Robinette, love you, love you, love you all
.
Speaker 3 (01:13:47):
It's an honor to be with you.
Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
Love you, Bishop Harvey.
I'll send you a text.
Love you, man of God.
Thank you.
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