July 6, 2022 • 17 mins
Welcome to my podcast. Different one again. Today I'll tell you what I use for podcasting and why I use these.
Hindenburg Journalist Pro
- Pixelmator Pro
- Audient Evo 4
- Samson Q7
- Audio Technica ATH-M50x
- MacBook M1
- Expert Mouse Trackball
- IQunix L80 with Cherry MX Brown switches <- I use an Atreus by KeyboardIO now
- OWC Thunderbolt Dock
- LG 27UL850-W, 27 inch 4K UHD IPS LED Monitor
- Buzzsprout Podcast hosting (Affiliated link)
- Riverside.fm (Affliated link)
- Agenda - Date-focused note taking (Affiliated link)
- Some cables and stands
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Jeroen Leenarts (00:00):
Hi, and welcome to the 100 special on a podcast,
I am currently taking some timeoff. So this is something
different than you're used to.
This is an encore presentationof a previous episode that I did
about tools for podcasting.
Everything that I explained inthis episode has helped
surprisingly well. And I onlymade like a minor tweak to my
setup. And that was only to makesure that I have like a better
(00:23):
keyboard because I switched myIQ next l ADA with Cherry MX
Brown switches to a keyboard doAtreus keyboard with Box white
switches, and joy. I'm going totalk about tools that I've been
using while podcasting. And I'lljust go over the things that I
use for podcasting, and give youa little bit of insight in why
(00:45):
I'm using these tools. And inthe show notes, everything is
linked up. Do note, there arethree links in there that I have
affiliated with. And I will justmention them right at the
beginning. So that's anaffiliated link for Buzzsprout,
Riverside, and agenda, all theother links in my podcast, show
notes, they are unaffiliated,and you can just click on them.
(01:05):
And unfortunately, there will beno kickback to me, but the
affiliated ones, if you if youuse one of those services, if
you start using it afterclicking my link, then there
will be a small kickback to mejust so you know. So let's just
start at the top of my list.
There's quite a list of softwarethat I'm actually using while
creating my podcast. And themost important one is Hindenburg
(01:26):
Journalist Pro. It's it's aspecific audio editor that is
tailored to spoken content,audio, and all the tooling and
all the features that are inthere are fully focused on
creating the content that I haveto create or that I like to
create. So for instance,podcasts, but there's also
(01:46):
people that use this softwarefor radio broadcasts and other
forms of spoken contents.
Apparently, there's also aversion of their software that
is fully tailored to creatingaudiobooks. But that's not my
thing. I use HindenburgJournalist Pro, because it's an
easy workflow. It's compatiblewith my environment. And it has
direct publishing to theplatforms that I'm using while
(02:10):
creating my content. So I highlyrecommend it. It's a bit of an
investment. But it's one of theinvestments that I did right at
the start when beginningpodcasting, and I have never
regretted using this specifictool. There are other free
options or other paid optionsavailable. But yeah, on my
(02:32):
selection, I went withHindenburg Journalist pro
because it had like the featureset that is important to me. So
that's multitrack editing, somevoice sweetening some audio
sweetening, noise reduction allin the package. And from the
reviews that I read all thefiltering and tooling that was
available in HindenburgJournalist Pro is top notch. Of
(02:54):
course, if you create a podcast,you also need episode artwork.
And for that, I use PixelmatorPro, why Pixelmator Pro, while
it's relatively affordable imageeditor that is fully featured
and has everything that I need.
And it's a native Mac app, andyou really can tell that it is
created by people that love theMac. And it's just an awesome
tool all around. And next tothat I also use some online
(03:20):
services or software. First ofall, is my podcast hosting,
which is Buzzsprout podcasthosting, the link for this one
is affiliated. And why do I useBuzzsprout? Yeah, it's it's it's
convenient. They provide a lotof support. And they're not the
cheapest. But yeah, it was soeasy to get on board. And I
haven't had a need or somethingthat I wanted to go elsewhere.
(03:44):
And yeah, so far, so good. And Iexpect to stick around with
Buzzsprout for a while, do checkthem out if you are looking into
starting a podcast because theyhave great tools available. As
you know, a lot of the contenton my podcast is actual
interviews with other people.
And I've used remotely before Iswitched to riverside.fm. And
(04:12):
the reason that I prefer to uselike an online platform for my
interview recordings, is that Iwant to have the barrier of
participation for my guests aslow as possible. Also, I want to
make sure that the recordingquality that I get is of the
highest quality within reason.
(04:34):
So I don't have to have likereally top notch audio, but I do
want to make sure that I am ableto capture the WAV format files
from each of my guests. And theadvantage of using an online
platform like Riversides is thatyou actually have a video link
with the person that you'retalking to. Also, the audio is
(04:54):
recorded locally by the browserof each participant. And this is
done In the background uploadedto the platform, and but also
they have like a backup ifsomething goes wrong with the
local recording. They also havethe video and audio available of
the session as it was liketransmitted or mirrored through
(05:14):
their servers. So if everythingfails, I always will have like
the DD recording and on thequality that I had when I was
actually doing the interview inmy browser at that moment, I do
want to have like the localrecordings, because the quality
is such, the quality is so muchhigher that compared to the
streamed version of the audio,really. So yeah, that's the
(05:35):
riverside.fm recently switchedto NAMM. And yeah, the
experience with them is great.
Some of you might have actuallyalready seen my riversides.fm
studio, because some of myMonday recordings are recorded,
live and online. And one of thecool things of riff site or the
famous that you can also streamyour session, as is to online
video platform. So you can sendto YouTube, Facebook, video and
(06:00):
some other platforms. Anotherpiece of software that I have an
affiliate link on that I didI've mentioned before on Twitter
is its agenda date, focusnotetaking. Because each piece
of content that I create, takestime to to put together, I have
to get like the guests, and Ihave to make sure that the day
(06:21):
are scheduled. And I have tomake sure that all my notes are
like together on a date. Sobasically, first I create a note
on the date that I actually haveto interview with the person.
And then I put all my stuff inthere. And once this recording
is done, I change the date onthe note to the data that I
actually want to publish thisepisode so that I have
(06:42):
automatically a work list of allmy episodes in order. That is
that is most acute. So the datathat is closest and that's not
done yet, is the first note thatbecomes visible in this tool to
me, so that it can actually workon the thing that is most
important to work on at thattime. And it also creates a nice
(07:03):
backlog based on these dateswhen these events are actually
passed. And it's actually goodto scroll back through all the
things that I did over the overthe last few months. So
agenda.com It's really greatstuff. It's actually an Apple
design award winner, check theirapp out. It's, it's available on
(07:24):
the on the Mac, the iPhone, andthe iPad, and it's all syncs
together. And I really lovetheir products. And I hope to
get one of their creators as aguest on the podcast, actually.
So who knows. To actuallyschedule, all the participants
are on my, on my podcast toactually use Calendly. So quite
(07:48):
simple, free free tier account,people can can can submit all my
agenda, if I have like anagreement with them that they
want to be on my podcast so thatI can just send them a link and
they can choose the time anddate that is suitable to them.
And that's also suitable to mebecause I opened up these
openings in my agenda so that Ican actually schedule
(08:10):
themselves. It really takes alot of hassle out of the whole
scheduling across time zones forme. So yeah, that's
pretty much most of thesoftware. Of course, I'm using a
MacBook or MacBook and one withMac OS latest version. But
(08:30):
that's yeah, that's that's allthat's pretty much given. And
some of the other things that Ireally want to talk about this
just because I really liked himis is my trackball and my
keyboard and my screen. I'm adouble doc. I actually use
Kensington expert, trackballmouse. It's one of the biggest
drag balls that you can actuallyfind it's a five centimeter
(08:51):
diameter trackball, and yeah,I've started using it. And I
must say that since I startedusing it there, my arms feel a
lot less tired when doing a lotof mousing. And quite recently,
I bought a new mechanicalkeyboard, I have been using
Matias my 10 mechanicalkeyboards, but I noticed that
they were quite loud when doingrecordings. And the drawback was
(09:12):
that this was like Audible in mysession. So sometimes, so I went
with an IQ NYX l ad with CherryMX Brown switches. So if you're
a keyboard nerd, you knowexactly what these switches are.
So they're tactile, but they'renot really loud. And yeah, I
really liked the 80s retro lookof this keyboard. Just have a
look at the stuff that's acompany based in China. Yeah,
(09:34):
but it's a great alternative ifyou wanna if you're in the
market for keyboards also almostbought one of the key cron low
profile keyboards, I think itwas the k three. But in the end
I did choose the IQ next ledbecause of Yeah, because I
really like the look of it. Andin my experience for me
(09:57):
personally, I like to have akeyboard that has been more are
bulky. And that forces me to notput my wrists on my desktop. So
let's, let's the inputperipherals. To connect all of
this, I'm using an Otherworldcomputing, Thunderbolt four
dock. And it's the best thingthat I put on my desk in in the
(10:18):
last year, except for myMacBook. And why is it so
convenient, I can just put myMacBook down, plug one cable and
everything is connected andstart working. And it's working
really fast. Because if I havemy SSD connected to my
Thunderbolt dock, and I need touse it, I just get full, almost
full speed, or at least quickenough for me for my tastes. And
it just works great. So to haveall this stuff available, and to
(10:43):
work with it, I'm actually usingan LG 27 inch u l 850. W screen.
So that's a 27 inch 4k Ultra HDIPS lead monitor. So it's not
one of these big, huge curvythings because I had some
restraints on on my desk persize. So I had to of course, get
(11:03):
a monitor that is like suitablefor the situation and just
having a 27 inch screen comparedto a 13 inch MacBook screen.
It's a lot of real estate. Andespecially when doing the audio
editing, it's it really helpsthat I can just stretch out my,
my audio lines quite wide. Solet's see. Yeah, then there's
(11:25):
like the recording hardware. Ofcourse, I have a microphone,
headphones and an audiointerface. So what I use for
headphones in Audio Technica HTHM 50x. So that's a studio
headphone, it's a closed back,headphone, and I really liked
the flat profile of the audio.
It's a bit it's a bit bassy tomy taste, but I do notice that
(11:46):
the reference quality that I getin the audio from these
headphones is good enough forwhat I need to do. I have it
attached to an audience evil fordual USB interface. So it's a
USB C interface that I canattach two microphones to
through an I think it's calledXDR, you know, these three feet,
(12:09):
bulky cables that you can usewith microphones. And yeah, I
went with that. I went with anaudio interface because I could
choose between having somethingthat is like a little bit more
future proof, or gets an XDR USBcombo microphone microphone. And
yeah, it's, yeah, of course,it's probably a bit of my nerd
(12:30):
strike that that went ahead andtook the bite at the best of me.
So I spent a little bit on thisinterface. It's like in the 100,
Euro $100 range. And I must saythat the audio is great, and the
background noise is really low.
So that's one of the reasonsthat I picked this one because
that reading very good reviewson the audio quality and the the
(12:55):
level of background noise thatwas within this device.
And then for the microphone, Ihave a Samsung Q seven focal
microphone, it's not the mostexpensive microphone that I
bought at the sorry, that isavailable. But I went with the Q
seven because it's it's adynamic microphone. So I have to
(13:15):
really be in front of themicrophone to be able to to
detect my audio. And why do youwant to have this, I mean, I
mean, in a home situation in myhome office, and there's a
street nearby and I don't wantto pick up too much of this
background noise. And I don'twant to have too much of these
room echoes going into themicrophone, and then having
having a dynamic microphone, andnot a condenser microphone is
(13:38):
great. Opportunity is a greatchoice. You hear a lot of people
going with these Yetimicrophones and if you're
getting into audio for VoiceRecording, I'd recommend staying
clear of these blue Yetimicrophones. They're great but
they are so sensitive they pickup so much background noise and
(14:02):
that's because their condensermicrophones instead of dynamic
microphones it has a widerpickup in the audible spectrum.
But if you if you focus on vocalrecordings then what I
understood from everything thatI read it's much better to get a
dynamic microphone because it'smuch more forgiving in the
(14:23):
environment that you have in ahome situation so I think that's
the end of my list of coursehave some stance and some cables
to attach everything togetherand didn't went with any crazy
cables. I just got like theAmazon Basics or something
similar to attach everythingtogether. I did spend a little
(14:46):
bit on my cable between themicrophone and my interface but
that's just because I'm gonnahave a sturdy cable that was
like still like 10 euros not toobad. 1010 euros for a single
cable. In my mind that's crazyexpensive already. and
everything else. Yeah, becauseit's digital. It just needs to
be connected to work. And yeah,so why spend like crazy amounts
(15:08):
of money on gold plated thingsand everything. So, yeah, that's
it really, if you want to have alook at all the things that I
mentioned, have a look at myshownotes. I have everything
linked there. And yeah, I dohope that you check out the
clearly marked affiliated linksbecause they really helped me
out. Also putting a review onApple podcasts or just looking
(15:34):
into the other option. Forinstance, my lead developer
book, everything is great. Andjust getting feedback on Twitter
is already the best thing thatyou can do. So thanks for your
time, and I'll talk to you againnext time.
Hi, and welcome to the 100 special on a podcast,
I am currently taking some timeoff. So this is something
different than you're used to.
This is an encore presentationof a previous episode that I did
about tools for podcasting.
Everything that I explained inthis episode has helped
surprisingly well. And I onlymade like a minor tweak to my
setup. And that was only to makesure that I have like a better
(00:23):
keyboard because I switched myIQ next l ADA with Cherry MX
Brown switches to a keyboard doAtreus keyboard with Box white
switches, and joy. I'm going totalk about tools that I've been
using while podcasting. And I'lljust go over the things that I
use for podcasting, and give youa little bit of insight in why
(00:45):
I'm using these tools. And inthe show notes, everything is
linked up. Do note, there arethree links in there that I have
affiliated with. And I will justmention them right at the
beginning. So that's anaffiliated link for Buzzsprout,
Riverside, and agenda, all theother links in my podcast, show
notes, they are unaffiliated,and you can just click on them.
(01:05):
And unfortunately, there will beno kickback to me, but the
affiliated ones, if you if youuse one of those services, if
you start using it afterclicking my link, then there
will be a small kickback to mejust so you know. So let's just
start at the top of my list.
There's quite a list of softwarethat I'm actually using while
creating my podcast. And themost important one is Hindenburg
(01:26):
Journalist Pro. It's it's aspecific audio editor that is
tailored to spoken content,audio, and all the tooling and
all the features that are inthere are fully focused on
creating the content that I haveto create or that I like to
create. So for instance,podcasts, but there's also
(01:46):
people that use this softwarefor radio broadcasts and other
forms of spoken contents.
Apparently, there's also aversion of their software that
is fully tailored to creatingaudiobooks. But that's not my
thing. I use HindenburgJournalist Pro, because it's an
easy workflow. It's compatiblewith my environment. And it has
direct publishing to theplatforms that I'm using while
(02:10):
creating my content. So I highlyrecommend it. It's a bit of an
investment. But it's one of theinvestments that I did right at
the start when beginningpodcasting, and I have never
regretted using this specifictool. There are other free
options or other paid optionsavailable. But yeah, on my
(02:32):
selection, I went withHindenburg Journalist pro
because it had like the featureset that is important to me. So
that's multitrack editing, somevoice sweetening some audio
sweetening, noise reduction allin the package. And from the
reviews that I read all thefiltering and tooling that was
available in HindenburgJournalist Pro is top notch. Of
(02:54):
course, if you create a podcast,you also need episode artwork.
And for that, I use PixelmatorPro, why Pixelmator Pro, while
it's relatively affordable imageeditor that is fully featured
and has everything that I need.
And it's a native Mac app, andyou really can tell that it is
created by people that love theMac. And it's just an awesome
tool all around. And next tothat I also use some online
(03:20):
services or software. First ofall, is my podcast hosting,
which is Buzzsprout podcasthosting, the link for this one
is affiliated. And why do I useBuzzsprout? Yeah, it's it's it's
convenient. They provide a lotof support. And they're not the
cheapest. But yeah, it was soeasy to get on board. And I
haven't had a need or somethingthat I wanted to go elsewhere.
(03:44):
And yeah, so far, so good. And Iexpect to stick around with
Buzzsprout for a while, do checkthem out if you are looking into
starting a podcast because theyhave great tools available. As
you know, a lot of the contenton my podcast is actual
interviews with other people.
And I've used remotely before Iswitched to riverside.fm. And
(04:12):
the reason that I prefer to uselike an online platform for my
interview recordings, is that Iwant to have the barrier of
participation for my guests aslow as possible. Also, I want to
make sure that the recordingquality that I get is of the
highest quality within reason.
(04:34):
So I don't have to have likereally top notch audio, but I do
want to make sure that I am ableto capture the WAV format files
from each of my guests. And theadvantage of using an online
platform like Riversides is thatyou actually have a video link
with the person that you'retalking to. Also, the audio is
(04:54):
recorded locally by the browserof each participant. And this is
done In the background uploadedto the platform, and but also
they have like a backup ifsomething goes wrong with the
local recording. They also havethe video and audio available of
the session as it was liketransmitted or mirrored through
(05:14):
their servers. So if everythingfails, I always will have like
the DD recording and on thequality that I had when I was
actually doing the interview inmy browser at that moment, I do
want to have like the localrecordings, because the quality
is such, the quality is so muchhigher that compared to the
streamed version of the audio,really. So yeah, that's the
(05:35):
riverside.fm recently switchedto NAMM. And yeah, the
experience with them is great.
Some of you might have actuallyalready seen my riversides.fm
studio, because some of myMonday recordings are recorded,
live and online. And one of thecool things of riff site or the
famous that you can also streamyour session, as is to online
video platform. So you can sendto YouTube, Facebook, video and
(06:00):
some other platforms. Anotherpiece of software that I have an
affiliate link on that I didI've mentioned before on Twitter
is its agenda date, focusnotetaking. Because each piece
of content that I create, takestime to to put together, I have
to get like the guests, and Ihave to make sure that the day
(06:21):
are scheduled. And I have tomake sure that all my notes are
like together on a date. Sobasically, first I create a note
on the date that I actually haveto interview with the person.
And then I put all my stuff inthere. And once this recording
is done, I change the date onthe note to the data that I
actually want to publish thisepisode so that I have
(06:42):
automatically a work list of allmy episodes in order. That is
that is most acute. So the datathat is closest and that's not
done yet, is the first note thatbecomes visible in this tool to
me, so that it can actually workon the thing that is most
important to work on at thattime. And it also creates a nice
(07:03):
backlog based on these dateswhen these events are actually
passed. And it's actually goodto scroll back through all the
things that I did over the overthe last few months. So
agenda.com It's really greatstuff. It's actually an Apple
design award winner, check theirapp out. It's, it's available on
(07:24):
the on the Mac, the iPhone, andthe iPad, and it's all syncs
together. And I really lovetheir products. And I hope to
get one of their creators as aguest on the podcast, actually.
So who knows. To actuallyschedule, all the participants
are on my, on my podcast toactually use Calendly. So quite
(07:48):
simple, free free tier account,people can can can submit all my
agenda, if I have like anagreement with them that they
want to be on my podcast so thatI can just send them a link and
they can choose the time anddate that is suitable to them.
And that's also suitable to mebecause I opened up these
openings in my agenda so that Ican actually schedule
(08:10):
themselves. It really takes alot of hassle out of the whole
scheduling across time zones forme. So yeah, that's
pretty much most of thesoftware. Of course, I'm using a
MacBook or MacBook and one withMac OS latest version. But
(08:30):
that's yeah, that's that's allthat's pretty much given. And
some of the other things that Ireally want to talk about this
just because I really liked himis is my trackball and my
keyboard and my screen. I'm adouble doc. I actually use
Kensington expert, trackballmouse. It's one of the biggest
drag balls that you can actuallyfind it's a five centimeter
(08:51):
diameter trackball, and yeah,I've started using it. And I
must say that since I startedusing it there, my arms feel a
lot less tired when doing a lotof mousing. And quite recently,
I bought a new mechanicalkeyboard, I have been using
Matias my 10 mechanicalkeyboards, but I noticed that
they were quite loud when doingrecordings. And the drawback was
(09:12):
that this was like Audible in mysession. So sometimes, so I went
with an IQ NYX l ad with CherryMX Brown switches. So if you're
a keyboard nerd, you knowexactly what these switches are.
So they're tactile, but they'renot really loud. And yeah, I
really liked the 80s retro lookof this keyboard. Just have a
look at the stuff that's acompany based in China. Yeah,
(09:34):
but it's a great alternative ifyou wanna if you're in the
market for keyboards also almostbought one of the key cron low
profile keyboards, I think itwas the k three. But in the end
I did choose the IQ next ledbecause of Yeah, because I
really like the look of it. Andin my experience for me
(09:57):
personally, I like to have akeyboard that has been more are
bulky. And that forces me to notput my wrists on my desktop. So
let's, let's the inputperipherals. To connect all of
this, I'm using an Otherworldcomputing, Thunderbolt four
dock. And it's the best thingthat I put on my desk in in the
(10:18):
last year, except for myMacBook. And why is it so
convenient, I can just put myMacBook down, plug one cable and
everything is connected andstart working. And it's working
really fast. Because if I havemy SSD connected to my
Thunderbolt dock, and I need touse it, I just get full, almost
full speed, or at least quickenough for me for my tastes. And
it just works great. So to haveall this stuff available, and to
(10:43):
work with it, I'm actually usingan LG 27 inch u l 850. W screen.
So that's a 27 inch 4k Ultra HDIPS lead monitor. So it's not
one of these big, huge curvythings because I had some
restraints on on my desk persize. So I had to of course, get
(11:03):
a monitor that is like suitablefor the situation and just
having a 27 inch screen comparedto a 13 inch MacBook screen.
It's a lot of real estate. Andespecially when doing the audio
editing, it's it really helpsthat I can just stretch out my,
my audio lines quite wide. Solet's see. Yeah, then there's
(11:25):
like the recording hardware. Ofcourse, I have a microphone,
headphones and an audiointerface. So what I use for
headphones in Audio Technica HTHM 50x. So that's a studio
headphone, it's a closed back,headphone, and I really liked
the flat profile of the audio.
It's a bit it's a bit bassy tomy taste, but I do notice that
(11:46):
the reference quality that I getin the audio from these
headphones is good enough forwhat I need to do. I have it
attached to an audience evil fordual USB interface. So it's a
USB C interface that I canattach two microphones to
through an I think it's calledXDR, you know, these three feet,
(12:09):
bulky cables that you can usewith microphones. And yeah, I
went with that. I went with anaudio interface because I could
choose between having somethingthat is like a little bit more
future proof, or gets an XDR USBcombo microphone microphone. And
yeah, it's, yeah, of course,it's probably a bit of my nerd
(12:30):
strike that that went ahead andtook the bite at the best of me.
So I spent a little bit on thisinterface. It's like in the 100,
Euro $100 range. And I must saythat the audio is great, and the
background noise is really low.
So that's one of the reasonsthat I picked this one because
that reading very good reviewson the audio quality and the the
(12:55):
level of background noise thatwas within this device.
And then for the microphone, Ihave a Samsung Q seven focal
microphone, it's not the mostexpensive microphone that I
bought at the sorry, that isavailable. But I went with the Q
seven because it's it's adynamic microphone. So I have to
(13:15):
really be in front of themicrophone to be able to to
detect my audio. And why do youwant to have this, I mean, I
mean, in a home situation in myhome office, and there's a
street nearby and I don't wantto pick up too much of this
background noise. And I don'twant to have too much of these
room echoes going into themicrophone, and then having
having a dynamic microphone, andnot a condenser microphone is
(13:38):
great. Opportunity is a greatchoice. You hear a lot of people
going with these Yetimicrophones and if you're
getting into audio for VoiceRecording, I'd recommend staying
clear of these blue Yetimicrophones. They're great but
they are so sensitive they pickup so much background noise and
(14:02):
that's because their condensermicrophones instead of dynamic
microphones it has a widerpickup in the audible spectrum.
But if you if you focus on vocalrecordings then what I
understood from everything thatI read it's much better to get a
dynamic microphone because it'smuch more forgiving in the
(14:23):
environment that you have in ahome situation so I think that's
the end of my list of coursehave some stance and some cables
to attach everything togetherand didn't went with any crazy
cables. I just got like theAmazon Basics or something
similar to attach everythingtogether. I did spend a little
(14:46):
bit on my cable between themicrophone and my interface but
that's just because I'm gonnahave a sturdy cable that was
like still like 10 euros not toobad. 1010 euros for a single
cable. In my mind that's crazyexpensive already. and
everything else. Yeah, becauseit's digital. It just needs to
be connected to work. And yeah,so why spend like crazy amounts
(15:08):
of money on gold plated thingsand everything. So, yeah, that's
it really, if you want to have alook at all the things that I
mentioned, have a look at myshownotes. I have everything
linked there. And yeah, I dohope that you check out the
clearly marked affiliated linksbecause they really helped me
out. Also putting a review onApple podcasts or just looking
(15:34):
into the other option. Forinstance, my lead developer
book, everything is great. Andjust getting feedback on Twitter
is already the best thing thatyou can do. So thanks for your
time, and I'll talk to you againnext time.
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