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July 8, 2025 • 28 mins

Our very first episode! We discuss the back story to our podcast and the very important question: Are old fashioned donuts delicious or are they trash? You get to vote in the poll!

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(00:15):
Welcome to Arguing Ever After. My name is Luke and my wife is
Amber. Hello.
We are the Lord and Lady who lock.
Horns, the counting Countess of contention.
The Duke and Duchess of Disagreement.
And the king and queen of quarrels.
We have been together since highschool in the 1900s, and we've

(00:37):
been married for over 20 years. We've argued about practically
everything, and yet still, somehow, we're able to stay
together happily. We have a teenage daughter who
isn't terrible. In fact, she's pretty great, and
most of our families still talk to us.
All in all, pretty darn good. Every day, all over the world,
couples are fighting battles based on molehills that don't

(00:59):
matter and sometimes mountains that send spouses to sleep on
couches and keep the chocolate companies and facial tissue
giants in business. In this entertainment only
podcast, we will bicker about all things big and small and the
audience gets the final say of who the winner is.
We do not claim to be a relationship expert by any

(01:21):
means, but if we can have meaningless arguments and still
come out of them together, why not give it a listen?
We will quarrel about topics which are frequently submitted
by our listeners, so if you havea topic you want us non
professionals to cross swords onfor a preview of how it could go
down in your own relationship, please share it with us.

(01:41):
Perhaps this completely unscientific method of letting
the masses decide who is right can settle your fight too,
before you even have it. You can submit your topic ideas
to us at arguingeverafter@gmail.com.
Today we are going to be talkingabout Should We Start a Podcast?

(02:05):
And Donuts. And Donuts, absolutely, and
specifically blueberry cake Donuts, but we'll get back to
that a little bit later. So Luke and I have been talking
for years about having our own podcast to argue in front of the
world 'cause you know, why not? It's not like we don't already

(02:25):
do it. But let's let's see how it goes.
Does anyone actually want to listen to us?
And who's really more right? More often than not, I think
it's me. We also thought that if we made
a podcast and enough people thought that it was

(02:47):
entertaining, maybe one day we could get rich and famous.
But who knows, Probably not. We'll probably just still be
here in our lovely basement arguing on our daughter's Girl
Scout one trapezoid tripod thingwith the light on it.
These fancy youngins. So why are we starting a

(03:10):
podcast? That's the initial discussion.
I love listening to podcasts. I listen to all kinds of
podcasts. Well, I listen to two kinds of
podcasts. The comedy podcasts are, there's
a lot of great ones out there. I also really love Imagine It
true crime podcasts. I can listen to them all day

(03:35):
while working. Luke also listens to podcasts.
I drive a lot to and from work. I have quite a long commute, so
I listen to a bunch of differentpodcasts.
I've listened to a lot that I listened to once, as one does
when they're not that great. But the ones that have stuck
with me, a lot of them are either business or personal

(03:56):
growth related. There's some comedy ones that I
listen to pretty regularly, somephilosophy and religion ones
that I listen to pretty regularly because I like to stay
interested in things that are a little bit different than your
average. Not quite like a true crime
murder podcast. And we both will frequently tell

(04:18):
the other that they should listen to the podcast that we're
consuming. And I can honestly say I've
never listened to any of your recommendations, not a single
one. They sound really like.
I've tried all of the terrible podcasts you've recommended,
sometimes even more than one episode, and it just doesn't

(04:40):
last. That's OK.
That's OK. Different strokes for different
folks. Not really.
Mine are better, but I will see that.
We are not big on research, but I think all of our listening
probably counts, right. I mean we've hours upon hours of
podcast consumption. So it just seemed to me given

(05:04):
that we can talk for hours upon hours that we should do this.
We did have some people who thought that maybe this wasn't a
great idea for a healthy relationship.
They might be right. They might be wrong.
We'll find out. We even have a friend who's like
a family therapist and we talkedabout discussing this with him

(05:28):
before we did this and we said it's not really going to matter
what he says, so we're going to not do that.
But of course, like everything you know, you certainly have
your your concerns about what could happen.
But I mean, we have been together forever and had some
ginormous fights, fights that have kept us up way too many

(05:52):
hours. And I mean, it's never really
about anything that truly matters in the long run.
And the most important thing I think that we've been able to
take from our 25 plus years in arelationship is that we can make
it through any argument, even ifit's a little one for

(06:14):
entertainment or a big one that we both care about.
We're able to find common groundwhen we can, and to know when
it's time to just not keep going.
Yeah. Because nobody's changing,
nobody else's mind, so we might as well stop.
We're both very stubborn and. For the good of the Kingdom.
Yes, for the good of the Kingdom.
For the good of the Kingdom. Well, I mean, and it's sort of

(06:38):
interesting timing to. He had said, our daughter's in
Girl Scouts. Right now she's at Girl Scout
camp. So it's kind of like a preview
of empty nesting. I don't know.
OK, Just. I didn't say that at all.
But we're bored. We're so used to having our

(07:01):
schedules work around her that, you know, it's just, it's like,
cool, we have us time now what do we do?
Argue. Argue, argue.
Yes, yes, we're very experts, very big experts in the arguing
concept. So this.

(07:21):
Yeah. So I, when we were, we were
recently on a road trip and the store that I went to, Oh, by the
way, if you're on a road trip, you must have Rd. food.
I think everybody agrees that ifyou're driving for longer than
an hour, you need to have some snacks.

(07:44):
We were actually going far away.And so, and you know, with
several hours, we're spending a night somewhere and, you know,
they didn't have breakfast items.
So I went to the grocery store and at the grocery store, they
actually were out of freaking Donuts.
How any grocery store can be outof Donuts.
Oh, by the way, that's really important to have Donuts in the

(08:06):
morning on vacation. That's like one of our life
hacks. Donuts on vacation in the
morning? Keeping it healthy.
Yes, yes. And so, but the grocery store,
like they said their bakery folks like they were having
staffing issues with the bakery,which I don't even understand
why you would exist if you don'thave a bakery if you're a

(08:26):
grocery store. But so then I had to do what
many have done. I had to go to the gas station
where I knew that they would have Donuts and obviously
there's donut shops but like there's not that many good
options around by us or they're open limited hours and I wanted

(08:48):
what I wanted when I wanted it. So gas stations are open 24/7.
So I had picked up a box of Donuts which sounded delicious.
These were old fashioned blueberry cake Donuts, blueberry
flavored doughnuts with that nice like crispy.

(09:13):
What is that sugar coating? And I was super excited about it
and they're delicious. I picked him up some kind of
like, I don't know, other grocery, I think grocery store.
I don't know, this other doughnut with some stuff on top.
And I really wanted, I mean, I wanted the doughnuts for myself.
Let's be honest. That's why I bought them.

(09:35):
And then Luke had his opinion about the Donuts and felt the
need to share his opinions aboutthe Donuts with me.
I'm a sharer. Which were kind of like Yuking
my and when we were talking about that when he was so mad
about the Donuts, I was like, Luke, you need to try these

(09:58):
Donuts. You don't know if you're going
to like them now you're how old?43 and 11 months and a week and
a half. Oh.
My God, I don't even know if that's true, but I'll trust you.
Pretty Dang close. I'll be 44 in like 2 1/2 weeks.
And you've had some Donuts. I have had a lot of Donuts.
But some. An expert.

(10:18):
Somehow I felt. That Is there a word for donut
connoisseur? Donut to sewer?
Sure. Could be, could be.
I felt that you needed to try a donut that you were sure without
trying that exact donut would not like.
Is it my turn yet? Because those doughnuts are

(10:38):
garbage. I can wait.
I'm. Going to tell you they are
delicious with the right amount of sugar and a nice little
blueberry flavor. Like a blueberry muffin in cake
doughnut form. And I'm not a cake doughnut
person, but the old fashioned doughnuts have the little wedges

(11:00):
that collects all that icing so that it's a nice sweet and
fruity breakfast tree. Listen, first of all, cake
doughnuts period are inferior inalmost every way to all other

(11:24):
doughnuts because they're like drier and they're like thicker
and they don't have that same like puffy kind of magic of most
other doughnuts. They're not filled with
anything. They're not capable of handling
the correct amount of icing or chocolate glaze.

(11:45):
If you like that kind of thing, it's.
Delicious. All you get is this dense, cakey
thing that's like a doughnut that should have been either
like a muffin or a cake, and it's just not good.
And then they added blueberry flavoring maybe 'cause it wasn't

(12:06):
blueberry, it was like, it wouldbe like the blueberry that you
get in the icy or something. Like it's a you could taste how
fake the sugar was. Whoa.
Whoa. Not I, I mean I would put it at
like blueberry cereal flavoring.Good example, yeah.
Not icy. Well, we're gonna have another
episode about blueberry cereal and ice.

(12:28):
Absolutely 'cause. You're wrong about those too,
but specific to these doughnuts,they were disgusting.
My opinion was corroborated by ateenager, our child, who tried
it and also said they were not worth the eating.

(12:52):
OK, OK, I'm gonna hold you one moment to that she said the
texture of the doughnut was amazing.
And I agree with you on cake doughnuts as a whole theory.
I'm not a cake doughnut person. Maybe cake doughnut hole, but
not a whole cake doughnut. These are old fashioned cake

(13:15):
doughnuts. It's different.
There's like kind of almost likelittle nooks and crannies for
these things. Oh my God you're right, cake
doughnuts are better. I just remembered the
categories. OK, so old.
Fashioned old new Oh my God, I can't believe you're.
Going there, hold your horse. They're both inferior.

(13:35):
Both inferior to a like a classic glazed raised as an
example. Also known as a yeast doughnut.
Fine, yeah, 'cause that's better.
But the cake ones are the ones that they usually have, like the
cinnamon sugar around them or something, right?
And they're more rounded. Yes, they're more rounded.
Still not good, but better than I cannot like.

(14:00):
The old fashioned is a notch below the cake.
No, yes. Cause the cake doughnut is more
like a doughnut hole. And this abomination that you
got at the gas station, it's, ifit's old fashioned, you know
what it should have been left wherever it came from.
OK, OK, OK, OK, OK, so here's like you're so I cannot believe

(14:25):
you were on like cake doughnut over anything old fashioned
doughnuts and cake doughnuts very different old fashioned
doughnuts. If you put those things in the
refrigerator and let it sit for like an hour to maybe up to
overnight and eat it cold and you get that cold icing.

(14:45):
What that is delicious. That is so delicious.
I mean, I think regular cake Donuts is just a cake missing
frosting. So I don't I'm I'm with you on
race Donuts. Our best that that was not our
option on our road trip. That's fine.

(15:06):
We had either the cake donut that I bought you, which I've
real I now realize is that you prefer actual cake doughnuts
which is fresh. Please raise or fill doughnuts.
They got OK or we're living in aworld where there is no yeast
made doughnuts. That's not option.

(15:27):
Time at the gas station. Yes, actually.
Purposes of our discussion todaythat's.
Not fair. I'm I will totally agree with
you. I mean Voodoo Donuts if you're
out there and want to send us a free dozen.
Hitusupandarguingeverafter@gmail.com.We would love it.

(15:49):
We love it. And I'll just tell everybody, if
you're in the area of a Voodoo Donut, you should totally get
one. But regardless, we aren't
talking about that world. Those are for us, like luxury
Donuts, vacation Donuts. Sure.
You know I'm talking about real world.
This is all you get. Donuts.

(16:11):
You're trying to make the case that old fashioned cake Donuts
are OK. They are.
They're good. Like they are a good valid
choice for a sweet morning treatin a box.
Pre sold the way it is. You know you're trusting the
preservatives as they sit. Absolutely, absolutely yes.

(16:36):
I mean, other things I would take from the gas station.
If we're narrowing the scope of the argument to the gas station,
there's a lot, and none of them are old fashioned cake Donuts.
For breakfast, what would you take?
You have the rule #1 no refrigeration.
Oh, I was going to say no yogurt.
I knew. You're going to go there?
No, no refrigeration whatsoever.It's not an option.

(16:58):
It is what sits in your hot dankcar for like 6 hours on the road
before it can find anything. So it needs to be able to
withstand that. So it must must have some kind
of preservative and care packaging, not just a bag.
What are my other choices? That's what I'm asking you.

(17:18):
It sounds like I found them the best.
Solution. Do they got those flat crunchy
things? What flight?
What are you talking about at the gas station?
No, they don't have that. A crispy.
Yeah. No, that's not the gas station.
I would have had that. What about fill Donuts?
That's OK, That's not an option at the gas station.

(17:39):
Take. A shortcut.
You didn't go to the donut section, you just went to the
checkout line, didn't you? It's right there at the thing.
Oh my coffee box at the convenience.
Portion 'cause you know that they actually have a donut
section. I mean, I know, but that's.
So and they probably would have had like a cream filled.
I didn't look at it. What do they call that like a
Boston cream That's also donut. They probably would have had

(18:01):
glaze raised even they probably would have had Oh, so you just
skipped the correct area, went right to the you were like, oh,
damn, check out. I can buy cheese sticks and
Donuts. That's my choices.
Also it was 8 Donuts for $2.99. I mean, that's a fine price.

(18:22):
That's a great price. If I were to walk over to those
expensive cases, it would have been at least $1.50 per.
There's a reason they're 299. They're good.
They're they have their own special place.
And I mean, I'm just saying they're so.
They have their own special place in your mouth, yes.
Not in mine. Yes.
Oh, they're so good. They're so good.

(18:45):
I wouldn't eat them every day. I couldn't eat them every day.
But like, as a special treat, I'm telling you, old fashioned
Donuts are the way to go. But you like all of them old
fashioned one, the ones that arelike just the sugar glaze and
have like the yeah, the fudge stripes like.
The I thought the but I thought the special abomination for you

(19:08):
and our daughter was that it wasblueberry flavored.
I mean if it had maybe blueberries in it it.
Might have it. I didn't see any.
It was blue colored on the inside.
It was real blue. I mean, purple blue, like a
blueberry, like like blueberry yogurt.
That's what it's like. It's like blueberry yogurt.

(19:28):
That's not the same. And you said you would take
yogurt. Blueberry yogurt, therefore.
I mean, I, I think there could be some essence of blueberry,
essence of blueberry. Now we're back to scented water.
That's going to be. Another episode that will
totally be another episode as. I like me some scented water.
Absolutely, Absolutely. Listen, I think that the real

(19:53):
truth is, and everybody out hereis going to agree with me, that
old fashioned cake doughnuts. Are at the bottom of the food
chain of the donut hierarchy, period.
Because nobody's out here going no, oh, you know what?
I like to buy the cheapest Donuts on planet Earth.

(20:13):
Nobody, nobody wants that. They want to go to the donut
section and get those glaze rays.
I wanted to go to the donut section.
Not bad enough. Different place, but OK.
OK, the bottom is so far from where it is, I'm going to say
the bottom of the doughnut pile for me.
Again, donut holes are in a whole another category, true.

(20:37):
Are those? Also, mini Donuts are delicious.
I'm not talking about those either.
I'm talking about the cinnamon sugar.
No, that's not bottom. I'm going powder Donuts, Donuts,
Donuts. Oh, now you're bringing.
Brandy, I'm sorry, I. Apologize.
Sorry we. Still eat your Donuts?

(20:57):
I just want to eat for that. I will eat them if you sponsor
us. I would actually I would eat
those. I would instead of the old
fashioned. The chocolate.
The ones where the. Like.
Stings your mouth a little on the inside.
You're like, why does it hurt onthe inside of my mouth?
I would rather I would eat a. Little 8 sleeve of those before

(21:23):
I would eat. That's terrible.
No, no, no, no, no. That's like hard up.
I'm in high school and it's in the vending machine.
Yes. And that's what that is.
That's I'm in for that sign me. Oh, this is.
So that's the box for you. Oh.

(21:45):
You are good, don't Donuts. Why I'm?
Sorry, Donuts. You're bringing it up again.
I don't know if that's little Susie or whatever it is, but we
Susie, we got love for all the brands.
She doesn't. I will retract it if you sponsor
us though, I promise. Now you got threats.
I know we got real. I will absolutely, but I I'll

(22:08):
retract the name. But your Donuts is still trash.
We could edit it out. I think that's the thing.
Later on podcast. But not right now.
We're keeping it. OK, we're keeping.
It they didn't pay us. That's true.
That's true. I can trash anyone.
If we ever do commercials, I would love to do commercial
voices. That sounds exciting.
Yeah, well, I don't know that anyone really wants to hear my

(22:31):
voice on a commercial, but I mean, if you pay me, I'll be
willing. So.
OK, so the the real question is are old fashioned Donuts good?
And the real answer is. No.
Absolutely, without a doubt. So what's?

(22:55):
It feel like to be wrong. I don't know.
I'm going to have to. We're going.
To have to ask them ask. You no idea what it feels like
to be wrong because I'm right. No one is going to take the
sleeve of especially those chocolate coated doughnuts.

(23:21):
Those ones, you dip them in a little cup of coffee.
Oh my God. Boom, got yourself a little
recipe for magic. Well, a little treat for all of
you day ones. Oh.
And what might we have? Day twos, that's what we're.
Hoping that's. Right.
Is that we know that sometimes we do get a little heated.

(23:44):
That's true. And we thought we should have
some kind of a, a thing to tell the other person, you know, like
a what do they call it? What is the word?
Safe word. A safe word.
And so when Luke and I had kind of had a little spat about
Donuts, I said maybe blueberry Donuts can be our safe word.

(24:06):
So if you're ever hear us in thefuture, maybe mention or refer
something like it, you know, just know that we have our own
boundaries too, and that's OK. It's right.
You know, I think it's right. And sometimes I need to tell you
to shut up with a blueberry doughnut.
Blueberry. Don't do the.

(24:28):
Same thing. That we know it's time to pivot
into another category so. Good.
Yeah, yeah. So I hope that that was a nice
little preview for what is goingto come.
We'll get better. I mean, I don't think she won't

(24:49):
get better at arguing, but like maybe the podcast will get a
little cleaner. We'll see.
Maybe we're. At a try, we're going to try.
I mean, we don't. Know.
Maybe we'll let, maybe less. I don't know.
Do we swear? I don't even know.
I'm gonna say anyone who has kids, I apologize, but if you
have kids and you know us, 'cause I'm thinking that's some

(25:10):
of the first people who listen. That's probably true.
You already knew to not let yourkids listen first.
That's cause, yeah. We say something.
We, I mean we might say, I don'tknow if we get really that
inappropriate in general, but wedo know some four letter words
couple and they don't necessarily they don't they're

(25:38):
not the main focus, but. They're going to come up.
But I like a little seasoning onmy on my arguments, so it's nice
to have that for sure. So.
So let's see. Well, that was the first debate
officially. Now you guys get to vote, which

(26:00):
is sort of the fun part for us. And for you on who was the
winner of today's match. Was it me because it should be
or was? It wasn't me because blueberry
doughnuts old, sorry, old fashioned blueberry doughnuts
are delicious. That's that's the reality.

(26:23):
You should vote for me. So here's how you help this out.
Keep it going according to the Internet you like.
Subscribe and download and tell your friends and vote in the
comments section about who won the debate.
And then on the next episode we'll tell you up to votes.

(26:44):
In this case, since it's our first podcast, hopefully it's
more than one vote or three votes.
It just has to be an odd number.I mean because if.
It's a 2 odd number, then we go to like arm wrestling and I'm
for sure going to win. Yes.
But we might have to alternate with leg.
Wrestling so. I've I.

(27:06):
Would totally kick your. Butt work.
Out work out. That is true, but the other way
you can also vote is by sending us an e-mail along with topics
at arguingeverafter@gmail.com. And definitely send more topics.
We have a bunch, but we don't have enough to carry on a

(27:28):
podcast for the years of successwe hope to read from this.
Yes. Thank you all for watching.
Thank you.
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