The Dishes Are Done, Man (Is there a correct way to load the dishwasher?)

In our very fourth episode we will discuss the very controversial chore of loading the dishwasher. Take a listen and or watch and vote for who you agree with in the polls, comment, follow and share! Please note polls close each week but we check comments for bragging rights.

Episode Transcript

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Hello listeners and welcome to Arguing Ever After.
I'm Luke and this is my wife Amber.
We are the Lord and Lady who lock horns.
The count and Countess of contention.
The Duke and Duchess of Disagreement.
And the king and queen of quarrels.
We have been together since Justin and Brittany were still a
couple. We have argued about practically

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everything, and yet we've outlasted them.
We have a great teenager whose friends don't even think we're
all that lame, and most of our families still like us.
In this entertainment only podcast, we will bicker about
all things big and small and theaudience gets the final say on
who the winner is. We don't claim to be

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relationship experts by any means.
We will debate lots of things, many of which are frequently
submitted by our listeners. So if you have a topic you want
us non professionals to battle over before you try it at home,
please send it to us at [e-mail].
Perhaps this completely unscientific method of letting
the masses decide who is right can settle your fight before you

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even have it. So here we go.
Yes, this is our very 4th episode folks.
We are so excited that we have made it to this major milestone
in podcasting. Which it really is a major
milestone. Yes.
There's been some research whichsuggests that most podcasts

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don't make it past the 3rd episode.
So we're in the top 50% folks already of being a podcast.
So go us. That's awesome.
And a lot of that is because we have a few listeners.
And a couple people that are followers.
I don't know what the differenceis, but we're excited about all
of it. We're very excited about it.

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As a matter of fact, we have a couple special shout outs.
The first one is to our 25th follower, who knows who they
are. Thank you so much.
It was awesome. And the feedback we've been
getting from like, surprisingly,people who aren't as old as we
are, like the youth, the youths,the youths.

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The youths. Like, you know, I mean, they've
been really engaged in it. And so it's pretty awesome.
As a matter of fact, while we'vebeen working through how to run
this podcast because we don't know, we're like we said
everywhere, non professional, we've done like maybe 2 minutes
of research. We were, we've been trying to

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decide what our flow is. And one special sleuth listener
named Aurora realized that we are dropping our episodes on
Tuesdays. So way to go.
Thank you so much for being a loyal listener and we hope to
keep up that for you. So we've been really enjoying

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our engagement. Indeed, and not that I'll try to
get too off topic every once in a while, I'm going to.
I'm gonna have to resist a lot every once in a while.
I can't help it. This being Episode 4, I just
need to reference that that was one of the finest movies ever
made, Star Wars A New Hope. Oh my gosh, Episode we have
needs to come up with the Star Wars thing.
I feel like it's. So far, I just needed to throw

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that in there and carrying on, that's not what we're talking
about today. Today we're talking about
something totally unrelated. Completely unrelated.
And we also one of the things weasked for, like we did at the
top of our episode is for listeners to submit ideas.
We do have our own list, but we want to know what you all want

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to hear. And a listener gave us very a
very timely topic. And so I'm really excited about
that because, well, the other day we did have some issues.
This. This is about dishes, people.
Everyone's got dishes, and I would be willing to bet that

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every couple that exists and every parent child relationship
that's ever existed had a dishesargument at some point.
And we were, when we got together and moved into our
first house, we were very fortunate in our first house
that we lived in for like, you know, a minute, it had a
dishwasher. And the apartments that we.

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Rented. Oh, the apartments too.
Yeah, we must have lived in someluxury living spaces.
To have apartments, just know that like if you don't provide a
dishwasher, it's going to be a problem.
Yeah, you'll have people with disgusting dishes, dirty dishes
everywhere. Like we had.
Sometimes, I guess, I mean you have roommates and one of you

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might know. Dog and the roommates.
Boom. But definitely we we don't, we
don't allow that anymore. But for a long time we lived in
a house that didn't have a dishwasher.
So anyone out there hand washingdishes because you have to, not
because you feel like you want to and we feel you 13 years we

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lived that life. It was rough, it was rough, but
it did teach us that we like well, taught me that an empty
sink means I don't need to stress anymore.
So I'm really always like, that's always my main thing is
let's get the dishes into the dishwasher.
But washing by hand, my dishes were always the cleanest, right?

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And that's, that's kind of an like I, it's a trade off, right?
Like if I wash by hand or maybe I have to throw 7 dishes back in
the dishwasher, I'll throw 7 dishes back in the dishwasher
for sure. But I was watching this thing
on, I don't know, one of the, one of the TV, not TV, one of
the Internet streaming things. And there was this, this thing

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about what Americans do. And really it's actually I did,
I did a little bit of research that they don't do in certain
parts of the world. And did you know that in some
parts of the world, and you can look it up, they wash their dish
with the soap and put it in the drying rack.

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No rinsing whatsoever. Why would you do that?
It would taste like soap. Well, that's what I thought too,
but clearly if it if it like this is a very common practice,
it can't taste that much like soap.
We've been lied to. I don't, I don't, I don't hold
with that because I've had dishes that didn't taste rinsed
even out of the dishwasher. That's like on hot water blast

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for who knows how long. I still every once in awhile
think I taste soap in a glass. I'm like, oh, I got to put it
back through. It's mind blowing, isn't it, to
think that there's people who does that.
OK, so one day we might have a listener from one of these
places. So I'm not insulting you.
I'm just like, wow, like that's wonderful that you're not using
it. But they're parts of the UK and

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the Dutch and maybe not all of them.
I'm promising you it's not all of them, but if you're
interested in the fact that thisis the thing that actually
happens, I mean, I was certain when I we.
Should reach out to our friend who lived in the Netherlands.
Yeah, well, ask her. Yeah, absolutely.
And see what she thinks now. I was thinking though, I mean,
that's a great trick to just nothave to do that.
I'm kind of on board. If we ever don't have a

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dishwasher again I I might try it because I was always told
that if you didn't rinse the soap off a it's going to taste
like soap but more importantly you're going to get sick and
that's clearly not a case. Maybe.
Like we'll we'll soap after taste with their food.
You know, they might be used to it.
They might be used to it. They also might be.

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I did think maybe they're using different soap, but everything I
could do in my very extensive research did not say that their
soaps were any different. You'd tell me you went to like
Wikipedia or? No, I didn't do that.
I didn't do that. That's deep research.
There, that's deep. No, no, no, no.
I was just like I did actually type in my Google search soap

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used, you know, ingredients in the soap and all that.
But I'm. Coming into this with no
research. I know I really, I really
studied up for you all. We are giving you the best
knowledge of two minutes of quick Internet searching and I
just was blown away. And anyone who's listening, who
maybe has been told that they have to rinse.

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I don't do it everywhere so. Don't tell your parents that we
said it. Yeah, yeah.
Or your spouses. Or.
Yeah, it's not coming. From anybody really not coming
from we're not giving advice about how to do dishes or rinse
them. We are not professionals in that
either. Not at all.
But you were talking about funnytaste.
And actually right before this, I grabbed my water bottle and I

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took a drink out of it and I waslike, oh, that water is bad.
And I mean, I think we all know that there's bad water, right?
That if it sits out for too long, it becomes undrinkable.
But nothing changed in it, right?
Like it's in a sealed container.It wasn't sitting for so long
that there would be any mold. But like, I just couldn't.

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I'm like, oh, oh, can't drink it.
It was awful. It was disgusting.
And so, you know, that's the stuff you feed to your plants or
just throw down the drain. But how does water go bad?
I don't even know. I mean, I guess technically if
it doesn't move, doesn't it always kind of go bad?
I don't know, but that sounds like a scientist job to tell us

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we have any scientists out there.
Put it in the comments for us and we'll probably read them.
I got a favorite quote from likea old Greek guy that said
something like the mixture whichis not shaken decomposes deep.
Maybe he knows. Deep, Very deep for you all.
I try to keep it. Who is that thought provoking?

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Around here, OK, but now are we going to be educational?
Who said it? I'm not going to pronounce it
right because I don't speak ancient Greek, but Heraclitus.
Oh, OK, I'll trust you. I have no idea.
Or Heraclitus. Sorry, put you on the spot, I
realized after I said. That there's any Greek people
out there, I apologize. Yeah.
We're just defending people leftand right to.
Trying to, I mean, we, we don't have many international

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listeners yet and they might oneday join.
We have one that's really, really fun.
So shout out to Germany. And I don't know, we've really,
like I said earlier, though, we've been kind of blown away by
the support. So it's been fun to see where
people come from who are listening and getting into this.

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But we were, we were talking about dishes.
We were talking about the the dishwashing and the soap and all
of that. And one of the things, though,
where this really came from, when this listener had told us
about this topic, why it was so timely, was because less than

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two hours beforehand, Luke lost his mind.
He opened the dishwasher, took one look and said Nope, walked
away. Angry.
I did. I think I actually said Nope,
I'm out. How do you people live like
this? Yes.
So I mean, can you explain why you were so upset about looking

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in a dishwasher? I certainly can.
And let me just say this comes from a place of my very, very
deep past because I grew up withno dishwashers that we used in
my houses. My mom and my dad, they didn't
have a dishwasher. The dishwasher was me and my
brothers. That's who the dishwasher was.

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So it was always like trying to do everything in a confined
space, the sink and you had, youknow, like, I mean, everyone has
a dish rack that has no dishwasher and they're little.
So you got to fit everything alljust right.
Because if you don't, where are you going to put your stuff?
You put it on the counter on topof towels.

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Well, sure, but there's only so much counter space when you got
a family anyways. So part of part of my desire to
have things in the dishwasher ina certain way probably come
somewhat from that. And it is my belief that the
dishwasher's primary function isto be full and clean the dishes

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and that that's the only way to do it.
So we had a bunch of talks aboutlike what the right way or wrong
way might be. And I think we've fairly solidly
determined that we disagree in what that might look like.
And it doesn't surprise me because I happen to be a tidier

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of things in general. Now you're going to have a
counter for that, but. I mean.
But I like to straighten things out and put them in little
stacks, and somehow that helps things make sense to me.
So I think the dishes are also abyproduct of that sort of
thinking. Well, I think that the
dishwasher tells you how to put things into it, right?

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I mean, we again fortunate enough to have one, that
silverware tray thing, it tells you essentially that your things
only going to fit certain ways. So as long as you're within the
ways that it tells you can fit, you know, you're fine.
That was not OK for Luke. Not the silver.
I don't even know if he looked at the silverware thing, but,

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you know, he just looked and said, this is not organized in
the way I think it should be organized.
And I just, I, I couldn't believe how instantly triggered
he was by just opening it up andit not being the way that he
thinks it should be. Now, we do have a total of three
people in our house who are putting dishes in the

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dishwasher. I'm just grateful when they go
into the dishwasher and not intothe sink.
So if you can fit it, it's good.That's all it needs to be done.
Fit it without, like overlapping.
I'm good with that, you know. That's a fairpoint you make
about getting them into the dishwasher, yes.

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That's why is that so hard? That's a struggle in life to put
them in the dip for some people.Yes, in our household there is
at least one who has that issue.But then the other really
important part of a dishwasher that I will say is my pet peeve
is the fact that once it's done,you know what happens.

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They got to get put. Away they do.
They have to be put away. However, in my household, it's
like everyone pretends like theycan't see that the dishes are
clean. And when I say everyone, I mean
everyone but me. And they'll be sitting there and
I'll know in the morning becauseI like to wash my dishes at
night. So in the morning we have all

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the clean dishes that we need. But somehow in the, in the time
frame when people get up, have their breakfast early and all of
that, they never look to see if the dishwasher that has ran
every single night is possibly clean.
Nope, they don't. They throw it in the sink.
And now this is all but me because I again, like I said,

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don't like seeing dirty dishes in the sink.
So now in the summer, we tried summer.
Gosh, this sounds awful. But like in the summer, we try
to make sure our kid does chores.
And so I, so I try to wait until, you know, she's up to and
empty it out. But Oh my God, it's so hard.

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Like just knowing that there's dishes in there and they're not
put away and just waiting for her to wake up to do that.
And every time I walk by, I see that light and it just, it just
grates on me. I'm like, how, how are we doing
this? But when it's not that time, you
know, of course I know that my husband's already left for the
day. Chances are knowing I know he

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had breakfast and he knew because he does not put dirty
dishes into the sink if there's the dishwasher is not clean.
So he's purposefully made a choice to not empty the
dishwasher and wait for me to doit, which is a little.
Doesn't necessarily mean that I'm waiting for you to do it.

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That's just how you're taking it.
I will say this, I don't have a whole lot of free time in the
morning because I have a lot to do and I have a long commute so
I'm not like I'm almost never early to work.
I'm never early to work. That's fine, you just happen to

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work from home so it might annoyyou more because you see it
more. So like if you just waited, I'll
probably put them away when I got home.
But it never gets that far because I think you've decided
that it's time for them to get put away, which is fair, but I
don't have the extra 3 to 5 minutes that it takes to put
away the dishes. 3 to 5 minutes.No joke.

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That is not that. I make hard choices in the
morning. It's not that long.
It's not. Sometimes the choice is do I
have time to eat? Sometimes I don't.
Well, I think that that's a a simple thing.
And I'm sure that there are other people out there who feel
the the pain of knowing that people have seen that there are

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clean dishes and they've just ignored them, let them sit there
until another time. And that is unfair.
The real truth is the one personin this house with the most free
time should be the one putting that stuff away, and it's not
you and it's not me. Well, OK, I mean when.
Even when school is on, she's only in school from like 7:00 to

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2:00 or something like that. Ain't even full time.
Let's go put her to work. I mean, we do, we try to, you
know, However, there's also the things that how things get put
away and, and being having things get put into the right
spot is. Oh, you don't like that?
I don't like when things are. Like the mystery of where is
that one spoon that I was looking for just today, Just

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today. I'm like, you literally pulled
this out of this drawer and yet you chose to put it into another
drawer. Who does that?
Our child does. It's so easy to put it back
where it should go from where you pulled it from.
But the other thing too is like the the it's people putting pots

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and pans. Oh, another thing, some people
won't wash their pots and pans in the dishwasher.
That's true. And I remember when I was young,
we had to wash all of our pots and pans by hand.
And I just have decided I'm not doing any of that work.
I mean again if my sometimes. You need to though if it's like

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cheese or something like there'ssome stuff.
Off so easy in the dishwasher. Well, some stuff we still do by.
Hand very no. My rule is if I can't fit it in
the dishwasher then I'd do it byhand.
Otherwise I throw it in there. So we should get rid of that one
cookie. Shake no.
We need that. It's I hate it.
We absolutely need it. It's so big.

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No, it's not that big. I mean, it's big, but it needs
to be big for its job. We have another one that's even
larger and you have no problem with that one.
It's because. That one has the right covering
on it, the nonstick, which is great for making all kinds of
cookies. Yes.
I love cookies. It's like a double batch cookie
sheet, you know, more like industrial size cookie sheets.
So the other thing people won't put in there and I've I've been

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told the problem I have is because I put them into the
dishwasher is knives like actual.
Oh yeah, the knife sharpening folks tell you that that the
dishwasher heat makes them dull or something like.
Yeah, I mean. Maybe it's the water, maybe it's
both. I don't actually.
I don't know. We have dull knives frequently,
but I am not willing to sacrifice the time it takes to

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wash them by hand. See, you're making choices too 3
to 5 minutes. I'm just saying.
Well, I never see you wash knives so.
I made that same sacrifice. Yes, yes, But we definitely have
our own things about it. And it's, it's amazing how

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different, you know, when we were washing by hand, like I
said earlier, how, how clean thedishes got, but they also didn't
get all the weird little Nicks and stuff and all that that
happens on dishes. Our dishes we have right now are
sold that they're really badly in need of replacements.

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For the listener, just just to clear the air, she's talking
about our dishes like plates, bowls, yes, small plates,
glasses, because she gave me this dirty look.
If you're not watching, we should start explaining to the
people. The eyeballs that I got were hot
fire because we've had the same dishes since before we got

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married, which was. We've had the same dishes in
1999. I don't know when something
becomes an antique, but I'm pretty sure we're about there.
If it was a car, I think it could get collector.
Plates, right, collector plates.But Luke will not hop on board

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getting new plates and. Because they still are a plate,
so it serves the plate function of being plate like.
OK. But the bowls also serve the
bowl function. We've had several bowls break.
The plates will not break. I will tell you if you want a
break a plate that will never ever break to save yourself

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money for the absolute rest of your life, perfect.
Get Corel abundance pattern and you will never need to buy a new
plate again. You're going to want.
To I'm just going to plug our future sponsors, Corel don't
send us more of those because she'll hate.
I want a different design, just something else, just.

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Want to put. That I'm not.
I won't buy Corel because your stuff doesn't freaking break she
wants. It to break so she.
Can I would like something new? I've talked about this with
friends and they they've said that I should be able to get
some new plates. We had a friend come over to our
house who is not that much younger than us, and he looked

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at me. He's like, Oh, my mom used to
have your plates. That's how old they are.
Yeah. His mom used to have those
plates and. She had great taste.
Yeah, and they were they. There's just.
I mean, you did. I did 20.
Five years ago. 25 years ago andit's OK after 25 years to get

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something. New I mean, I think you say this
like I got you under lock and key.
I don't I mean, I don't like youhave a job.
You could technically buy it. I just think that it's a silly.
Expense now when? We have functional plates.
This is been recorded, it is enshrined.
It's that I now have proof that I can get dishes that I want.

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Without one of our other topics in the future is when do you
need to consult your spouse at what dollar amount and and make
that part of the discussion. So totally fine.
But I imagine a series of platesthe the length of which we have,
which is like a lot of plates and bowls we have people over.
We would have an expense that would be worthy of the

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discussion. So that's all I'm saying.
OK, but I'm saying I have proof that when when I get those.
I'm willing to have that discussion.
You're willing to. That's right.
OK, OK. Yes, that's amazing.
Very, very good of you. This chivalry is just oozing.
Oh, it is. So, Luke, let me ask you a

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question. Oh, and now the moment you've
all been waiting for in this corner, we have Amber claiming
to weigh in at 135 lbs. Yeah.
And with now a record of two wins and one loss.
Because I won the last episode, people, that's what I'm talking

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about. Let's make it 2.
Maybe this episode. She has over 25 years of
practice in the art of insignificant lover spats,
including plate wear. And she is armed with her
amazing hair, which she will need today.
Amazing hair. It's so amazing.
OK, look at it. In this corner we have Luke at

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his prime weight of 150. Oh yeah, 150 when I was 10.
No 185 lbs and sporting a luxurious red beard.
Which I've recently trimmed. He's been arguing since he was
born to his very competitive family and Luke has finally
achieved one win. But don't forget you got 2

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losses. So tell us Luke, what do you
really think is the right way toload a dishwasher?
And is there a right way to loada dishwasher?
Well, OK. And yes, I believe there is a

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right way to load the dishwasher.
Now. We'll start with some of the
Givens. I think this would hold across
all people who have dishwashers that you got to put the
silverware in, the little thing the silverware goes in.
I think everyone's going to agree on that.
There's also on the, well, most of them it's I've only ever seen

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it on the bottom. Maybe there's some that got it
on the top. The plates have their little
section where you put the platesin and they go all side by side.
And I think those are maybe maybe the only two Givens, but
those are for sure Givens. I think across the spectrum of
dishwashers, no, there's. Mostly.
Other stuff that like has alwaysbeen the way for me, like in

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places where we have had a dishwasher or where I've seen
them used, Generally speaking, it seems like if there's a
cookie sheet that fits because we talked about the giant cookie
sheets we have that don't fit. But if there's a cookie sheet
that fits, you put that on the left side up against the
dishwasher wall on the bottom rack, generally speaking.

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And then there's all kinds of different like dishwasher
specialty things that have come out lately that I don't really
fully understand or jive with. But like my mom says, a like a
tray above the upper tray that'sfor like, I think it's like
knives and long things. I don't really understand If we
don't have that, we have a like little super jets in the top,

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the top rack on the right side, which I don't know what those
are for. They're for cups.
They're for cups, OK, There's only four of them.
So that's ridiculous because like we have more than four.
I mean, who doesn't anyways? So outside of specialty
dishwasher things and the Gibbons, which I think maybe are
across the board, my general answer to how to load a

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dishwasher is first, it should be all the way full.
And what that means is for me, if I've got like our dishwasher
holds about 3 bowls lengthwise on the top rack and has like
234, it has like 5 across. So you could fit technically

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like 15 bowls. So if I were to open the top
rack of the dishwasher like I did last Saturday and see like 4
bowls haphazardly occupying the entirety of somehow 4 entire
rows of the top rack, and then see our child put another one on

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top of the other bowls themselves, that would be cause
for concern in my way to properly load a dishwasher.
I would line them up and stack them so that I had more room to
put in future dishes. And then the the rest of it,
sort of like a like a advanced Tetris match.
It's can I put all of the pots and the pans and the plates and

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the bowls and the cups and the water bottles and the big knives
and the big spatulas and the, the, the, the baking glass
sheets things, the like, what's it called a cake pan?
I don't know all it can I fit all the stuff in?
And then when I fit as much as Ican fit in there, so long as
it's all Tetris and not overlapping, then I'm good And I

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start the dishwasher. So that's for me the correct way
to load a dishwasher. And there's not a lot of
exception to that. I don't think that I would like
put less in. I certainly wouldn't try to put
more in, but I would also wait, which I think is one of the
differences is like if there's still room for enough, like let.

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I'm not saying don't start the dishwasher if there's room for
one more bowl, but like if I've got another spare row where I
could put two or three bowls, well that might be breakfast the
next day with cereal and yogurt or something like that.
Or maybe I got room for 3-4 moreplates.
Well, that's that's dinner. So I might leave that open and
not start the dishwasher. And for me that is the correct

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way to load a dishwasher. OK, I hear what you're saying on
some of it. Now.
I'm going to say anytime I'm going to get a win right here
with my daughter, Anytime a dishmakes it into the dishwasher,
that's a win for a teen. Thank you for getting it in

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there. Even if it's upside down, inside
out, on the wrong track, even like if it's I don't care.
You made it in there. That's a win.
We are going to celebrate that. We don't have to celebrate.
That I'm celebrating it. That's where they go.
But I think really, if it fits, if it's not like going to not

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get washed, who cares? Life is too short to spend any
amount of time fussing about howa dishwasher is for me.
Now, again, I remember the awfultimes of having to wash all of
those dishes. And you know, maybe it's, it's a

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little bit of a response. I have to see dishes in the sink
and think about that's just work.
That's work on on my plate, no pun intended.
Oh my goodness. Yes, you're welcome.
It's work on my plate that I don't want.
I just like why? Why?
I just can't get into the dishwasher immediately and then
I don't care if it's half full because I know in the future,

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not too far, we don't have one of those, you know, industrial
sized dishwashers. We're going to need to run it
again or we're going to run out of dishes and all those things.
And that's way worse to me, running out of dishes.
Just yesterday we ran out of forks and that was pretty awful.
I did not enjoy not having forks.

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I mean, luckily we have a different kind of fork, but you
know, I mean, I that's a deeper into that silverware drawer than
I wanted to go. So I just think if it's in
there, if the machine can do itsjob, it's good enough.
And again, if it misses something not the end of the
world, it can go right back in. So my answer is mostly no,

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there's not a right way. There's a few wrong ways, but
there's not one right way to load a dishwasher.
OK, just a couple little I got to recap.
A couple things. Because I can't resist.
First of all, one of the reasonswe ran out of forks was because
we ate a lot of cake because it was my birthday.

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It was I. Just want to point that out.
OK, but no birthday votes. No birthday votes.
That's why you birthday shares. You don't have to vote for my.
Birthday shares. But cake is delicious and that's
why we ran out of forks. And like she said, we have other
forks because we have like a whole nother suite.
This is probably another thing you want to replace is
silverware. But we have a normal set of
silverware and then we have withthe tiny forks or with a salad

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fork. Is that right?
Yes, appetizer forks, I don't know.
We got littler forks, but there's still forks and fully
functional and there's like 10 to 20.
I don't actually know how many 12 second twelve.
One of the reasons I completely fill a dishwasher.
This is probably from my dad probably is conservation of

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water. Now his motivation would be
because he's cheap and the likelihood he's ever going to
watch this is really look like little.
So dad, if you ever watch this, I'm sorry that I called you
cheap, but you are cheap as hell.
Now the other good reason to load the dishwasher to conserve
water aside from saving money, which who knows, maybe it's

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pennies, but but the other reason is if you use less water
in your home, you're consuming less of the natural.
Oh my gosh, he does not even care about this.
Put that out there. Does not care about this, he
takes like hour long shower. I do not.
He will wash 2 shirts at a time,so let's just say.

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Just the really sweaty ones. Yeah, let's just say that.
That car is partially hybrid. OK, here we go man.
It's. OK, come at me.
I'm this. I'm done.
I rest my K I'm sorry. Go ahead.
I'm just. What you got?
I I'm telling you, as long as they're washed, that's the
important function of a dishwasher.

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If it's not full, not the end ofthe world.
We don't need to lose our mind over, you know, someone maybe
stacking the dish wrong. We could, I mean like it's, it's
not like I, I think that perhapsit might be causing you a little
more stress to think that there's a right way than if you

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were to just say the right way is that it's turned on soap in
there. Let's make sure the soap gets in
there and that it can do its job.
I feel like that would save somestress for you and so.
Let it go like Elsa. Yes, yes, let it go and just
accept that if it's turned on and if it can run, it's the

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right way. And for anyone out there who's
thinking no, there is Amber's wrong, I might be, but it's so
much nicer to just let it go andlet it run and then put it away
quickly because Oh my God, why does it need to sit in a

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freaking dishwasher for a day and 1/2 for it to get put away?
So that is my rebuttal. Now everyone, if you would like
to vote, the best way to do it is through the polls on Spotify,
which if you don't know by now, Spotify is free.

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You're welcome for my wonderful editing skills.
And but it's, it's just been, it's been a lot of fun.
I know earlier we talked about our listeners and I again want
to just like big shout out big thank you.

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It's been really fun. And and like it's, if nothing
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Mine and. So far, no money in our pocket.
This is just about support and love.

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For fun, yeah. Yeah.
So you have. Speaking of support, just
briefly, okay, we're currently working on with a friend of the
podcast, some theme music, some some background song action.
We still got a lot to work on asfar as like cutting it in and
figuring it out, but something for people to look forward to in
the future. We're definitely excited about

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it. Yeah.
And I don't know, maybe I'll figure out a way to go back and
I don't know how to add it in, but we'll, we'll, we'll learn
all of that again. That's one of the great, great
things we've gotten from this iswe're building and enhancing
relationships. And I'm just really grateful
that you all have decided to take the time, that you could

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have been doing anything else tolisten.
Our special selves are you. And, and hopefully, you know,
next time you're doing dishes orloading or unloading, you know,
hey, streamos, you can do it, get it all done at the same
time, you know, or if you make your kids do your dishes, like
it happened to my house growing up when we didn't have a

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dishwasher, we did eventually get 1.
So I'm going to say I was that bougie kid, but, you know, turn
it on for them. You know, they'll, they'll hear,
they'll maybe get a few special,special bits of advice from not
you. And it's a lot easier to learn
something from someone else thanyour own parents.
And, and if you like a dishwasher, set up a specific

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way. And if Luke's way sounds right
to you, then this is a free lesson for you and your
children. So again, thank you.
And we look forward to the more things that are coming.
And we're we really will be veryexcited to share the new sounds
that we will have soon. Heck yeah.
So again, if you have any ideas for the podcast, please submit

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them to [e-mail].
Thank you. Bye y'all, thanks.