Change Is Constant

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joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (00:00):
Whew.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (00:01):
back.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (00:02):
Wanna

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (00:02):
back again.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (00:03):
hand?

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (00:04):
What do you got, Joe?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (00:07):
I have, this is my work one.
I got two, so I have a work oneand a dress one.
Brook Angus Annual productionsale.
What version is this?
What volume?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_2 (00:18):
Speaking,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (00:19):
you know what

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20 (00:19):
speaking of volume, you're quiet again,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (00:22):
Yeah, get closer.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (00:23):
That's because I'm not yelling.
I need to yell and stay right ontop of

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (00:27):
but don't yell too loud'cause I'm
pretty sensitive.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (00:30):
So, oh my God.
I was showing Tanner.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (00:33):
been flipping through this thing for
about five minutes.
I just got it in my hand,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (00:37):
So, you know, you were saying you
got a work one and a nice one.
was showing Tanner Clark aroundyesterday.
He, he came over and wanted tolook at stuff and I was going
through and I was like, whereare my notes?
And I got to looking and I wroteon the back Vinny truck, and it
wasn't in my truck.
had hijacked

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (00:56):
Ooh.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (00:57):
book with my notes in it.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (00:59):
Who did it?
Jo, Josh King, maybe?

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (01:01):
That son of a

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (01:03):
So you'll know.
You'll know.
Sale day.
You'll know

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (01:06):
it ended up,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (01:07):
take

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (01:07):
I got no, Elmore didn't take it.
I got to digging around andsomebody had shoved it in a, um,
you know, those clipboards thatopened and you can put papers in
them.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (01:16):
yeah.

vince_2_04-04-2025_20040 (01:16):
shoved it in there.
There was

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (01:19):
you found it.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (01:19):
that stupid clipboard.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (01:21):
So you found it.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (01:22):
I did find it and I was happy after

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (01:24):
Does it have, does it have secrets in
it?

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (01:26):
I panicked.
Yes, it's got secrets.
It's, it is stuff like Joe said,this cow sucks.
Corbin would love this cow.
Things like that.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (01:37):
is the bull that Vince should have kept
for his own program and iswaiting for his friends to
provide some sort of validation?

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (01:44):
tell you what's gonna happen with
that bull.
He is only gonna sell 50% andI'm gonna keep half of him.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (01:53):
Whoa, this is breaking news.
This isn't even on the textthrone.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (01:57):
Amy can put in one of those.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (02:00):
Morse code.
So here's what we're doing.
We're doing, we're naming himbreaking news.
Even though, even though

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (02:06):
have

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (02:07):
know, even though there's a brewing
breaking news,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (02:09):
a catchphrase.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (02:10):
you want to, it, it, he wasn't good
enough that we can't recyclethat name.
Joe.
He's he's, he's very, he's very,um, yeah.
So for those of you out therethat are thinking of naming your
next herd, si breaking news is,is available

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (02:26):
is not available.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (02:27):
a bull name?
A bull of mine?
The name's available.
You can use it.
So

vince_2_04-04-2025_20040 (02:33):
Raven?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (02:34):
yeah, use it.

vince_2_04-04-2025_2 (02:35):
Roadblock, uh, stockade panel.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (02:39):
Use it.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (02:41):
I'm not using.
Those are your bulls names.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (02:44):
But like in 10 years you can use
them.

vince_2_04-04-2025_20040 (02:45):
ringer off.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (02:47):
Do

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (02:47):
Did y'all hear

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (02:47):
you want to know who's.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (02:48):
heard it.
Was it?
Was that a duck?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (02:51):
He's about to have, you know how, you
know you're about to have abanging sales when you're
getting calls at 8:07 PM on aFriday night?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (02:59):
I know he's gonna go to a internet
reservation platform because hehas too many people pulling in

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (03:05):
You might need to get a burner phone
just for talking to yourfriends.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (03:11):
Uh,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (03:11):
one.
Has your nephew Eric Tomer beenthere yet?

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (03:15):
Tuma.
about Tuma being my nephew andy'all didn't even know

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (03:20):
I, I st but I don't know.
Like

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (03:24):
I told you so he said it.
He announced it.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (03:27):
It's not as organic this time.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (03:29):
when we asked about it.
I don't, I still don't.
Do you know for sure Corbin?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (03:34):
I know it's not organic.
As organic this time as it wasthe first time we talked about
it,

vince_2_04-04-2025_20040 (03:38):
matter if it's organic or not, it
needed to be said.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (03:41):
so, so.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (03:42):
organic at the Shady Brook.
I'll tell you

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200 (03:44):
Nothing organic.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (03:47):
on speed dial.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_2004 (03:49):
Vince, Vince has two four D coming out
his pores right now.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (03:53):
see, is this,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (03:54):
He

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (03:55):
why I'm so shiny and

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (03:56):
Yeah.
He's fried his hair off.
You might have got,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (03:59):
how about a, is, is tuber really
your nephew?
I really want to know this.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (04:04):
He's yeah.
Long distance nephew.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (04:07):
That's on Amy's side.
'cause he don't look nothing

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (04:10):
does he call you Uncle Vince?

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (04:12):
Uncle Vince.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (04:13):
Uncle Vince.

vince_2_04-04-2025_20040 (04:14):
Uncle, uncle Vinny.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (04:16):
Uncle V.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (04:17):
is not my damn nephew.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (04:18):
Uncle v.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (04:20):
I'm seriously surprised.
I thought I.
I mean, for our listeners, Icalled these guys.
I was like, I, I actually calledCorbin first.
I said, how about Tomer isactually Vince's nephew?
Because he called him my UncleVince's sale.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (04:34):
I wish he was.
That would be cool.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (04:38):
well, it was a lot cooler until Vince
said he wasn't.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (04:40):
then that would me

vince_2_04-04-2025_200 (04:41):
through, uh, this deal.
He bought a cow, but he bought acow because, uh, he found out
about us on the, through thepodcast stuff.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200 (04:53):
through what podcast.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (04:54):
Then he wrote our intro and our outro

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (04:57):
Yep.
Because he's the man.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (04:59):
in your family

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (05:00):
Did, did anybody even say Welcome to
the round the shoot?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200 (05:03):
Welcome to around the shoot.
We're only five minutes and 27seconds in.
Please, please, for the love ofPete, tell me we don't have to
start over again.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (05:13):
No, we're not starting over, baby.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (05:15):
is it.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (05:16):
time.
This is like a TracFone Corbin.
It's seriously, do you rememberthe TracFones?

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (05:20):
Yes.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (05:21):
only have so many minutes, or it's
going to cha-ching my creditcard again.
And even if we don't save themthrough D script, it uses them
up.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (05:29):
Are you serious?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (05:31):
Yeah.
We gotta buy minutes at like

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (05:33):
Oh my God.
Well, it ain't worth buyingminutes because the platform is
so screwed up.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (05:38):
Hey D script.
You de suck.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (05:41):
It's not dscr,

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (05:42):
Who is it?

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (05:43):
cast.
Squad

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (05:45):
the same thing, Vince.
Whenever we log in, it sayssquad cast, d script.
Descrip is the parent company.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (05:53):
if we change from squad cast to
something else, we can stilledit it in de script, I believe.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (06:00):
Well, maybe it's not a part.
Maybe this partnership is justnot working out.
Not us.
We're good.
Not us.
We're good.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (06:08):
If you wanna bash on something, um,
there's plenty to bash about,

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (06:14):
Well gimme a

vince_2_04-04-2025_20040 (06:15):
weight adjusted birth weights, things
like that.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20 (06:18):
adjusted birth weights.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180 (06:19):
surprised.
act surprised.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (06:22):
Well, you don't have to be surprised,
Joe.
They do it

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (06:26):
unpack it?
Because it's always botheredyou.

vince_2_04-04-2025_2004 (06:29):
because it.
Why?
Why?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (06:30):
for heifers.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (06:31):
Why do we need to do it?
Period.
damn calf was born on whateverday and when it hit the ground,
it weighed a certain weight.
Why are we adjusting it?
They don't know what I feed ordon't feed.
They don't know how much grassmy cows have or don't have.
They don't know when I've breadthe cow, when the calf's due.

(06:52):
If it's premature.
If it's overdue, they don't knowcrap, but they're adjusting it.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (06:58):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
And

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (07:00):
Bite me up, Corman.
Yeah.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (07:01):
uh, you boy, the, uh,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (07:03):
Yeah,

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (07:04):
the DNA plays such an important
factor in that anyway, so it'slike, what does the birth weight
even matter?
And then you're adjusting it ontop of that,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200 (07:12):
correct.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (07:12):
I believe we've already hammered
on the, uh, on the DNA enough.
You know what I mean?
But,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (07:16):
got to hear it.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (07:18):
oh, was that last,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200 (07:19):
episode?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (07:20):
I feel like that one was a, yeah,
we got that one out right.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (07:25):
I don't, no, it was the,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (07:26):
that

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (07:27):
the forever lost episode.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (07:29):
Oh,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (07:31):
Yeah.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (07:31):
we're recording.
What, uh, three hours beforethis thing has to

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (07:35):
Yeah.
Jason Meen said, you better getit up.
I'm gonna be ready to listen inthe morning.
So

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (07:40):
No.
So the adjusted birth weight, Iwas shocked when we recorded
Fresh and Vince brought this up.
I, I knew on heifers they didit.
You guys knew it.
Corbin, did you know before thatepisode we recorded they adjust
cows

korbin_2_04-04-2025 (07:54):
absolutely, absolutely.
And I believe in the lostepisode that I mentioned that
that is the first time, theabsolute first time that I knew
something that Joe Fisher didnot know about Angus cattle.
That's the first time

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (08:06):
I think you did say that actually.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (08:08):
is so

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (08:08):
it's all coming back to me.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (08:10):
can somebody explain to me why?

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (08:12):
what?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (08:14):
Why they

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (08:15):
they do it because they know more
than we know.
The calf that hit the ground at72 pounds is not really 72
pounds.
It's really 78 pounds or 80pounds.
You don't know.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (08:27):
Do you know what kind of, do you
know what pisses me off morethan anything?
It's, it's more of like a, justa stab.
It's just like a grab.
It's like a, it's like a, we'rebigger than you and we can do
this.
It is whenever, one way 77 andthen they adjust it to 78.
It's like, why?
It, why you're just being aturd.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (08:44):
pound gonna do?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (08:44):
You, you're just being a turd at this
point.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (08:46):
but why are they adding eight, uh,
eight to 10 pounds on heifers?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (08:51):
Why are they adding anything on
cows?
Why is there any adjustmentneeded?

vince_2_04-04-2025_20040 (08:54):
adding anything on anything?
If I wanna breed my damn heifersto have a 85 pound calf, they
don't need to make it 95 pounds

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (09:03):
So is there any, is there anything,
okay.
Again, the heifer deals stupid,but maybe on the cows and I'm,
I'm, there's gotta be a, there'sa couple scenarios that could be
the reason why, reason why thoseweights are adjusted.
Maybe that cow's.
Five and, and having a biggercalf than a maybe she's not all
the way to maturity, so theyadjust it and make it go up or
adjust the way it's up.

(09:25):
Maybe, and I'm just spit ballinghere.
I'm just shooting from the hip.
Maybe it's regional.
Maybe the cows in Tennessee arebigger than the cows.
The calves, birth weights arebigger in Tennessee, and that's
why Vinces heifers are gettingso trashed.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (09:39):
I just, I don't just leave it
alone.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (09:41):
I agree.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (09:43):
if you put'em in a contemporary group
by themselves.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (09:45):
the data.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (09:46):
that

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (09:47):
What does it matter?
What's the contemporary?
It's a freaking birth weight.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (09:52):
group.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (09:52):
It's a birth weight.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (09:54):
So

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (09:54):
are we,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (09:56):
I agree with you.
I'm not disagreeing, but I couldsee the point

vince_2_04-04-2025_2004 (10:00):
getting me all worked up.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (10:01):
cows.
I could see the point if theyput'em in with cows.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (10:04):
swear to God, if somebody brings up a
quarter CC semen, I'm gonnafreaking blow my gasket

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (10:09):
I'll give you a quarter ccs.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (10:11):
the birth weight, between the birth
weight and the quarter cc.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (10:15):
So,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (10:16):
know, maybe that makes a difference on
the birth weight, how big thestraw, the semen was.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (10:21):
well, we didn't talk about this, uh,
we didn't talk about this in theprior episode, but what about,
um, adjusting the weaningweights on heifers, the weaning
weights?
That seems more

vince_2_04-04-2025_20040 (10:30):
think, I think you should adjust the
wean and weight because you'regonna take the wean and weight,
not on a 2 0 5 day.
That was the point.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_2004 (10:39):
What's the

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (10:40):
the weight is taken on day 2 0 5,
they don't adjust

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (10:42):
No, no, no, no, no, no.
But if you took it on 2 0 5,they're still adding weight to
heifers.
100%.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (10:48):
yeah,

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (10:49):
100%.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (10:50):
yeah, yeah.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (10:50):
I'm gonna say they shouldn't.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (10:52):
factor.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (10:52):
I'm gonna say they shouldn't do
that.
I'm gonna say they shouldn't dothat if we're putting'em in
their own contemporary group.
But what, I guess the idea isthat you, you shouldn't have to
put them in their owncontemporary group.
Right.
But I always do because I've, Idon't, because of the
adjustment, I put them in theirown, uh, contemporary group
because of the adjustment.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (11:13):
I think most people, I think most people
generally take care of theirheifers more than they take care
of their cows and then still put'em in the contemporary group
with the cows and then theyhammer the cows it's not
accurate.
Contemporary grouping, it's notaccurate data.
Why am I not getting to theyellow?
Do I sound really quiet to you

vince_2_04-04-2025_20040 (11:31):
Little bit.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (11:32):
Yeah.
But it's okay.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (11:33):
of it

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (11:34):
It's okay.
I like it.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (11:35):
no, I don't get it if, keep'em in
their own contemporary group agedam adjustment, adjustment
factors.
I think actually both of thosethings that you guys have
touched on what has a added tosome of the frustration in EPDs
and people not seeing out in thecountry what they see in their
EPDs.
They're seeing two differentthings sometimes and that makes
sense if you're baking that cakewith, uh, a computer generated

(11:57):
assumption a study that was donein, I don't know, when was the
birth weight study done?
Probably the seventies,eighties.
That's when most of'em weredone.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200 (12:06):
Forties.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (12:08):
forties

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (12:09):
I

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (12:09):
And you can't really,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (12:10):
we're, how much are you guys watching
this red meat yield stuff?
Have you watched that at all?
I know Vince hasn't.
I sent you guys the emails.
I sent you the text.
You don't read'em, you don'topen them.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (12:19):
You realize I was in special ed.
I don't even know how to read.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (12:22):
Here we go.
Yep.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (12:24):
Just keep picking on

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (12:25):
have like a

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (12:26):
we go.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (12:26):
two, I have a, I have a two sentence
attention span.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (12:30):
this shot.
DEI.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (12:32):
DEI,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (12:33):
said was in DEI plan at Shady Brook.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (12:36):
I don't,

vince_2_04-04-2025_20040 (12:37):
That's awesome.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (12:38):
even know what you're talking about.
I don't know what d

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (12:41):
Corbin.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (12:42):
Oh

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (12:42):
what is DEI?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (12:43):
what were you gonna say?
What were you going to say?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (12:46):
was gonna say that I have about a
three sentence attention span.
So anything you send that's overthree sentences or 30 seconds,
I'm not watching or reading.
I.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (12:52):
Two TLDR.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (12:55):
yield has basically said we've been
new yield.
Great.
All wrong.
It doesn't represent the cattle.
It represents the cattle of theforties.
And we've been using thistechnology to evaluate cattle on
the hook for 80 years, I thinkit was the forties.
I, I should back that off.
Okay.
Um, however many years, we'vebeen wrong.

(13:16):
wrong.
Not even close.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (13:17):
Do you know the good news?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (13:18):
it by cutting them up with MRIs or CT
scans or whatever.
And I can't get into thatenough, but you could have asked
any rancher, anybody that raisedAngus cattle, and they would say
ribeye.
Ribeye is not an indicator ofred meat yield of a carcass.
Anybody would tell you that.
They would say, there's somecattle that have big ribeye and

(13:40):
light carcasses and lightribeyes and big carcasses, and
there's big differences there.
So tying this back into ourbirth weight stuff, who came up
with that study and who put itin there?
Because it's ridiculous to me.
So now, do we need to be tellingour customers if you, if you use
adjusted birth weight in yourcatalog.

(14:01):
Do you need to be explaining tothem the different thresholds
because our customers arelooking at it like, I want an 85
pound calf.
Well, if you get an 85 poundcalf, actually he's going to be
a 92 pound calf and adjusted.
That is not going to make sense.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (14:14):
No, it's stupid

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (14:16):
at all.
They're gonna be like, what?
I don't care what an adjusted, Ilove our cus, but our customers
would love to get paid onadjusted weaning weight instead
of getting paid on actual

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (14:24):
am sure they'd love to get paid on
the freaking EPDs in general.
Then you could just, it'd beeasy at that point.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (14:30):
Quiet

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (14:30):
You know the good,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (14:31):
there.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (14:32):
good news about the yield grade that
you just talked about, itdoesn't matter because genomics
wipes all that out.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (14:40):
Oh

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (14:40):
Yeah, it does.
It does.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (14:43):
knows all.
Just like the fact that we allused a heifer bull on heifers
and before the calves got here,genomics changed the birth
weight then all our heifers diedbecause they couldn't have them.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (14:59):
My clarion's are bad ass.
They're bad to the bone.
They're good, they're good.
Hey, I'm gonna tell yousomething too.
So we're talking about theseadjusted birth weights and how
they can affect our customers.
Whenever they're trying to reada catalog, it goes deeper.
How about any of these EPDs?
How about any of'em?
I mean, some of them areaccurate and some of them that I

(15:19):
can, I can attest to.
So, so should I go lot by lotand take out the ones I think
are fake?
Like, oh, it says this one's a0.60 for Claw, but that's not
true.
He's got really good feet.
He, mother's got really goodfeet.
He is sire, who I also own, hadreally good feet.
Um, he's not a, he's not a 0.6.
Oh.
So we, we could just take thatone off.
I think that makes more sense,that makes more sense than, than

(15:41):
some of the EPDs make is beingable to pick and choose which
ones you put in there.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (15:45):
The data.
The thing about the data iseverybody's gotta remember like
the foot EPD.
If people are not turning in thedata, then how accurate is it?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_2004 (16:00):
Right.
And, and the problem is, is thatthere's so many people that do
not turn in the data, that theones that do turn in the data
can kind of control it morethan, more than we like,
especially, especially at thebeginning, especially whenever
the EPDs are new and there'sonly a few herds that are doing
the reporting on'em.
Um, they have a chance tobasically do some things, the

(16:25):
EPDs that shouldn't be done, andit, and it ends up affecting the
whole system for the whole lifeof the EP d.
You know what I mean?
I mean, it, it's, it's verybeneficial at first, but then,
but then everything kind of getsconvoluted at the end.
So some of these.

vince_2_04-04-2025_20040 (16:39):
Right.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (16:40):
Some of these cattle are getting
misrepresented for the wrongreasons, and then it's hard to
come back from it.
Um, in a world where we all wishwe could get a competitive
advantage, there's there'salways going to be some fallout
and there's gonna be some peoplethat are affected negatively by
trying to gain that competitiveadvantage.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (17:01):
So why when people go to the sale
and they said, oh, this bull,he's so good.
Um, that bull's even betterbull, but he's a four pound
birth weight.
We can't use him.
So he's garbage, automaticallygarbage.
'cause he is four pound birthweight.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (17:17):
Do you think that, do you think
that there are, are legitimatebreeders, commercial breeders,
registered breeders, anyone?
Anyone that look at a four poundbirth weight and say, I can't
use him in any way, shape, orform, are there breeders that
are actually selecting thatstringent on birth weight?
They have.
I mean, I know the answer to myquestion.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (17:39):
I, I mean, I don't know.
I, I don't, I know some peopledo, and mean, I get it.
If you've got 20 cows and youwork a job in town and you're
not there for'em and you'reworried that they can't have a
calf, so you keep buying heiferbulls for your cows, which is a

(18:00):
horrible idea, but I mean, I getsome of that, you should like
the TAEP deal, the Tennesseeenhancement money, they, you
have to sit through theseclasses and they're telling
them.
That you know you well, man.
If you work a job in town,you're gonna want one of these
low birth bulls.

(18:22):
Well, what's gonna happen whenthey have four generations, if
they're retaining heifers of lowbirth stuff, they can't have a
30 pound calf, so the birthweight's irrelevant.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (18:31):
Well, and then, and then here's.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (18:33):
teach in classes have ever had to pay
a bank note or have a set ofcows or breed a set of

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (18:39):
The ones teaching the classes, uh,
probably very few,

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (18:43):
They, Dan your,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (18:44):
Yeah,

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (18:44):
they Dan sure haven't they?
Dan Sure.
Haven't been Calvin.
Many of'em out in this weatherthat we've been dealing with the
past couple weeks because I knowthat the, like if, if I had a
cow that was out there, having a40 pound calf right now in, in
nine inches of rain in threedays, you're gonna have a
serious problem.
It's a serious problem.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (19:02):
yeah.
But what if it's a 40 pound calfwith an adjusted birth weight
that makes it 54

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (19:06):
It's 54.
It's really, it's really bigger.
It's really bigger.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (19:10):
Go tell it.
Go.
When it's laying there dying,say you're really 54 pounds.
Get up and run.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (19:17):
There you go.
So I actually got a call todayfrom a listener about that.
That said, seriously, how can weget these guys?
They're dealing with the exactsame thing that Vince just
described.
He said a 60 and 80 pound calf.
He said, that's not just 20pounds of difference.
It's whole life.
ends up being like the RichterScale.
If it's 20 pounds at birth, it'sprobably 40, 50, maybe 60 pounds

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (19:41):
yep.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (19:41):
He goes, it's huge.
It's not described by the EPDs,and we're seeing the exact same
thing.
So that listener reallyappreciated.
I, I guess that was in a podcastthat aired.
I'm trying to remember whichthings we covered and which ones

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (19:52):
Do you know what we what?
Do you know what didn't getcovered?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (19:56):
What's that?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (19:57):
I think merch.
I think merch was in our lostepisode that we didn't get out.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (20:01):
was.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (20:01):
We need to get that out while we're
thinking about it.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (20:04):
we'll get it

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (20:04):
Do you remember what that, do you
remember the link?
Seriously?
Do you remember the link?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (20:10):
it up and not having the information.
This

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (20:11):
I mean, um, so basically we,
should, we, we should do agiveaway While I'm thinking
about this.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (20:19):
wasn't it?
Had had it started

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (20:21):
I'm looking it up, but, but should
we do a giveaway?

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (20:24):
You know where it is.
It's in our texts

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (20:26):
It's, it's on our Facebook page.
It's on our Facebook page.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (20:30):
a, it's on our Facebook page.
We've already had some orders.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (20:34):
have, we have.
So here's what we're gonna do,guys.
We're gonna do a giveaway, butwe're gonna release this
tomorrow.
Um, so what we're gonna do isI'll put that giveaway on
Facebook and if everyone likesand shares, what should we give
away, guys?
What should we give away?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (20:49):
do we have any stickers?
'cause we haven't had a car washlately, or a fundraiser and I
don't know how we're gonna payfor hoodies.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (20:55):
I got some stickers.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (20:56):
The hoodies are only 30 bucks a
piece on there, guys.
30.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (20:59):
30

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (21:00):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Cheap.
Cheap.
I mean, and they're goodhoodies.
They're those, uh, thosegilding.
They're not the, the Gil Cottonones that shrink up really bad,
but they're the ones that arekind of the sportier material
that, that kind of stays aroundfor a little bit longer.
A little bit higher quality.
You had to pay a little bit morefor the shirt, but it's amazing.
Um, it's amazing.
The opportunity.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (21:21):
what about for our listener who likes
wearing a t-shirt, specificallya pocket T-shirt?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_2004 (21:27):
Pocket tea.
We've got

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (21:28):
about

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (21:29):
the Vinny.

vince_2_04-04-2025_20040 (21:30):
Vinny?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_2004 (21:30):
Vinny.
The Vinny.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (21:32):
does the Vinny come with like holes
in the stomach from sparks?
From welding and grinding.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (21:38):
I don't have, I've got oil stains
on this one.
Not

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (21:40):
Do you want to know something?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (21:42):
the Vinny come with oil stains

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (21:44):
oh,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (21:44):
or holes in it?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_2004 (21:46):
Vince, you need to meet.
You need to meet Lucy though,really?
Because she has the country, thehick accent, and you two
together.
We've just, I just walk aroundwith a video camera just
videoing both of you talk.
'cause it'll make me laugh somuch.

vince_2_04-04-2025_20040 (21:58):
Wilson said he needs a two XL

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (22:02):
Hoo.

vince_2_04-04-2025_20040 (22:03):
coming up with a, coming up with a
name.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (22:05):
Well, here's what you can tell Wilson.
Tell Wilson to like and shareour Facebook page, and you can
have a chance at one

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (22:13):
No,

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (22:14):
boys that

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (22:15):
Wilson,

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (22:16):
link is,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (22:17):
think his wife, Facebooks, but Wilson
on Facebook,

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (22:20):
well then who is ZWT on Facebook?
Is that, is that his wife?

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (22:24):
He's sneaky.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (22:25):
his wife's account?

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (22:27):
He's sneaky.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (22:28):
Oh

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (22:29):
He sneaky.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (22:29):
the shadiest

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (22:30):
Do you wanna know something?
Do you wanna know something?
I, there's a lot of closetfacebookers out there.
There's a lot of them.
I guarantee you a lot of ourlisteners are listening right
now and they're having a littlechuckle because they know they
get on their wife's accountantand do a little stalking on
there.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (22:45):
Do you know how I find a closet
Facebooker?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (22:47):
How

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (22:49):
They always say things like, you know
what I heard the other day?
And I'm like, you mean, you meanyou saw it on Facebook, on your
wife's Facebook?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (22:58):
a meme, son of a gun,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (23:01):
You saw Russian meme is what you saw.
But they'll be like, oh, I heardthis the other day, and where'd
you

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (23:08):
Heard that.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (23:09):
Hey,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (23:09):
I

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (23:10):
I heard that.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (23:11):
do you have the, do you have the
address

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (23:13):
I've got the link.
I've got the link.
I've been trying to spit it outfor the past 10 minutes.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (23:17):
it's only two Ws

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (23:19):
Ww,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (23:20):
uh, we love you, Robert.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (23:22):
WW dot.com.
Um, www.
Actually, there's no Ws.
Why did we say W?
There's no WS at all.
Don't put Ws.
We don't have to do thatanymore.
That's not a thing anymore.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (23:39):
oh, this is gonna be good.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20 (23:41):
Hattie's boutique.com.
H-A-T-T-I-E-S, boutique,B-O-U-T-I-Q-U e.com.
Hattie is Brian and Britt'sdaughter, and that's what they
named their storefront.
Um, it's, it's actually, if yougo down on there, you can find
the, the around the shoot, um,what would you call it, around

(24:03):
the shoot homepage.
Within the homepage, what do youcall that, where you click the
three lines on the left and thenaround the shoots, one of the
things that comes up, thedropdown menu.
The dropdown menu around theshoots on there.
We've got hoodies, we've got apink shirt for the ladies.
We've got gray.
We've got, there's, there'squite a few options.
We've got long sleeve shirts.

(24:24):
Um, it's really exciting.
It's really exciting to havemerch and for all that, for all
of that to have come togetherand for it to be so cost
effective for everyone.
Um, so if you would like ashirt, go buy one.
And if you don't, this is awful.
I feel like a salesman.
I don't, I I genuinely, Igenuinely don't need anyone to
buy a shirt.
I just think it's cool.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (24:46):
What we might have to get is hats so
that you aren't wearing a sweatring summit.
What is that?
Electrical engineering.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (24:53):
Not engineering

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (24:54):
them if you want a, uh,

korbin_2_04-04-2025_ (24:55):
electrical supply.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (24:57):
supply.

vince_2_04-04-2025_2004 (24:58):
thought it was like, uh, summit
Auctions, like, uh, salemanagement.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (25:03):
of which are sponsors by the

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (25:05):
Well, we just gave'em a plug and they
are located in Fort Worth,Texas.
So if any of you guys have ainstrumentation or automation
business and you need someelectrical equipment or
supplies, uh, they'd be a greatstop.
Yep, yep.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (25:22):
a

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (25:22):
Yeah.
Just go on hattie's boutique.comto find your summit at, let me
know what happens.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (25:30):
but

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (25:31):
some more news to talk about though.
Are you, you got something else,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (25:34):
No, I was just gonna say the stickers
are not on Hattie Boot.
Hattie's Boutique.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (25:38):
I could probably put a sticker on
the hat.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (25:41):
if you come to Shady Brooks Sale,
you might get a sticker.

joe_2_04-04-2025_ (25:45):
Complimentary stickers.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (25:47):
I've already heard of some, some
guests that are gonna be inattendance and I know they're
gonna want a sticker.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (25:52):
baby.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (25:53):
boy.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (25:54):
what we should

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (25:54):
they may not get a sticker.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (25:56):
If you put, if you go to the Shady
Brook sale and you put thatsticker on your car and show a
picture out and about

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (26:04):
Oh, that'd be sweet.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (26:06):
we'll put you in for a drawing for a
hoodie.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (26:09):
Dang.
But, but Joe, Joe, we can't dothat.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (26:13):
Is that too many

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (26:14):
No.
That, that needs to be part ofit.
We need y'all to do that.
But, but there's gonna be somany, like, so many people are
living South Dakota are notgonna be able to make Vince's
sale to get a sticker.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (26:25):
I mean, it might be worth it for a

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (26:26):
It might.
It might.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (26:28):
Hey,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (26:28):
a hoodie.
They would need the

vince_2_04-04-2025_2004 (26:30):
listen, Corbin,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (26:31):
Wyoming the other day and it is cold,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (26:34):
if they don't show up, that's their
problem.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (26:37):
Yep.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (26:38):
Well, I want to have a chance at a
hoodie, and I'm not missing mydaughter's birthday party.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (26:43):
Well, don't nobody

korbin_2_04-04-2025_2 (26:44):
Actually, actually, I'm going to Frosty's
house, not his house.
I'm going to his ranch.
So

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (26:52):
Oh, that'll be

vince_2_04-04-2025_20 (26:52):
whatever.
Is he gonna, Hey, is he cooking?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (26:55):
take frosty a hoodie is

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (26:56):
Is he

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200 (26:57):
Should,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (26:58):
When you go over there to eat, go
over there, do a herd visit.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (27:01):
have to ask him what's on the menu.
I'll have to ask him.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (27:06):
Uh, he, he, he doesn't discriminate.
Vince, he'll cook anything.
I think

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (27:10):
So he's got a, he's got a, uh, I
almost said he's got a partner,but that's not what I mean.
He's got an,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (27:16):
you were gonna say, had a podcast.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (27:18):
he's got an old compadre named Baird
that lives on the ranch, that'sworked for the, that's been
family friends for many, manyyears.
And Baird is a, uh.
What do you call those cooksthat are out on the range?
What do you call'em?

vince_2_04-04-2025_20040 (27:36):
Cookie

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200 (27:37):
Cookie, uh,

vince_2_04-04-2025_2004 (27:38):
Cookie,

korbin_2_04-04-2025_2004 (27:39):
wagon.
Wagon.
Chef.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (27:41):
Chuck Wagon.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_2004 (27:42):
Chuck.
Wagon Chef.
He's a chuck.
Wagon chef.
He's got his own spices.
His own, yeah, he's got a,

vince_2_04-04-2025_20040 (27:47):
Gator.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (27:49):
his name is, uh, Jerry Baird.
If you look up his spices, Iguarantee you it's on the
interweb somewhere.
But he's got a really good,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (27:57):
with like a Dutch oven and

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (27:59):
yeah.
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.
So he usually does the cookingand it's pretty fun.
He's a fun, he's 80

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (28:05):
to Vince what a Dutch oven

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (28:07):
A Dutch of

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (28:07):
he

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (28:08):
I knew what a determin was.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (28:10):
Wait, which, which version did Vince
know?
I have a feeling he knew thelittle kid version.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (28:17):
he did.
He did not know about cookingcobblers or biscuits in one,
let's put

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (28:22):
No, I did not.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (28:23):
way, or, or stews or anything over a

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (28:27):
I did that to Milo the other day.
It was,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (28:30):
God.
Speaking of cowboy stuff,speaking of some cowboy stuff,
of you have watched the DaleBrisbee, Derrick Begay special
on YouTube.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (28:42):
No.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (28:43):
You need to, it's about, it's called
Catching Mavericks or something.
It's two hours long.
It is fan.
Fantastic.
And I would encourage all of ourlisteners, not because of humor
or anything, it's kind of got,if you take Dale Brisby's humor
and you dial it back, um, andthen think of De Derek Baggat is
being super, super dry, butreally, really handy.

(29:03):
Like it is a great, great flickand it's good.
Yes sir.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (29:08):
Who's Derek Bega.
I know Dale Brisby.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (29:11):
Derek Bagga is a team roper from

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (29:15):
Okay.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (29:16):
Corbin,

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (29:17):
yeah.
Is he, uh, yeah, he's.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (29:20):
Navajo.
He's

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (29:21):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Really good.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (29:24):
He's, I think he's Navajo Indian.
And so they're basically out onthis reservation with a bunch of
Navajo.
Um, I'm reluctant to stay innatives'cause I'm not sure.
Um, but basically local peoplefrom this reservation that go
out and catch wild cattle.
The reason I'm encouragingpeople to watch it is super
cool.
And I think most people wouldsay that is a world long, long

(29:47):
ago, Chisholm Trail, John Wayne,that sort of stuff.
And it doesn't exist.
There's people still doing that,guys.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (29:55):
Uh, yeah.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (29:55):
not be your customer.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (29:57):
yeah.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (29:57):
be your customer, but there's a
spectrum, right?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (30:00):
Yeah.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (30:01):
between Derek, Derek Begay, Dale
Brisbee, and a dude with pennyloafers and a five gallon
bucket.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (30:08):
I'm on the, I'm on the spectrum.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (30:11):
you, do you have penny loafers?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (30:13):
ever watched that show?
Have y'all ever watched thatshow?

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (30:17):
What?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (30:17):
Love on the spectrum?

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (30:19):
No.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (30:21):
Oh my gosh, guys, it's so bad.
It's so bad.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (30:27):
So

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (30:28):
of cattle production and we all, I,
I think a lot of people getstuck in what they know rather
than knowing that beefproduction is so diverse.
And I think that it's importantfor people, as you breed cattle,
to know that there is a diverseway in which people breed.
They don't, they don't care ifyours is the first best IMF
leader.

(30:49):
If they're out there roping itand tying it to a mesquite tree
in the middle of the Arizonareservation,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (30:54):
100%.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (30:55):
who is slogging out there in his five
gallon pale with penny loafers,doesn't care how cool it was
that you roped and dragged onein a trailer.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (31:04):
Do you know what they used to do
in, uh, when I lived in, um.
The western slope on the westernside of Colorado.
And, and they, the guy I workedfor had a ranch that went up
into Utah and it's, it's prettyranchy out that way.
They're running cows on 2000acre pastures and they may see
'em once a week in the winter.
And that's in the wintertime andin the summertime it's less than

(31:25):
that.
Well, they forwarded areservation and so, um, those
cattle from the reservation werereally, really ranked.
They were just crazy.
And you couldn't catch'em with,I mean, you couldn't pin'em.
There was no way to pin'em.
So what they would do is theywould get helicopters and they
would drop nets and catch thesethings and that's how they would

(31:45):
have to catch some of'em.
I swear.
I swear they had to do that.
It is a And that

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (31:50):
guys don't catch'em with nets, but
they're catching

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (31:53):
was government trappers that were
catching them.
Yeah.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (31:57):
and these guys, they didn't
necessarily, they might haveimpacted at the beginning, but
um, my buddy Seth used to dothose deals.
It was government contracts,like real cowboys, and they
would go catch these cattle.
They were mavericks.
They got to sell them becausethey were slicks.
They didn't belong to anybody.
and so it's, it's a cool thingto watch because I think we
should always.
Seek to know more about the beefindustry.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (32:19):
you know what happens?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (32:20):
on more than our own little world.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (32:23):
go ahead, Corbin.
'cause this is gonna segue intoa different conversation

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (32:27):
do you know what happens in
southeast Oklahoma though?
And then we'll let, we'll letVince ride the segue on outta
here.
In southeast?
In southeast.
In southeast Oklahoma.
Hold on.
Vince just sent a text.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (32:44):
it's ridiculous?
Okay.
I gotta shut off my wifi becauseI cannot have Vince send in
memes in the middle ofrecording.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (32:55):
Every time, every time Vince sends a
text, Joe goes a little morepixelated.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (33:00):
That's two dime at a nickel is what
that is.
That's

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (33:04):
So in, uh, so anyways, the, the
guys in southeast Oklahoma thatjust get so excited sometimes
when a cow gets out so they canget their trailer and their
horse out.
They have no idea what's goingon in, uh, in the desert of
Arizona.
But anyways, so, so ride thatsegue on outta here.
Vince,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (33:21):
So speaking of, um, team Ropers,
you said the guy was a teamroper?
Is that what you said?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (33:28):
yes.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (33:28):
of team Ropers, he's, is he
partners by chance with the guythat was on Farmer once wife
last, last, last year?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (33:38):
The guy from Missouri.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (33:40):
Yeah.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (33:41):
So Farmer

vince_2_04-04-2025_20040 (33:42):
Didn't pick

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (33:42):
me.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (33:43):
the guy that didn't pick anybody.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (33:45):
We are 34 minutes ahead, have discussed
nothing

vince_2_04-04-2025_20040 (33:49):
forgot about it

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (33:50):
we talked about adjusted birth
weights.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (33:53):
Did we, did we wait?
In the lost

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (33:56):
Yes.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (33:57):
because I was

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (33:58):
He got sick,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (33:59):
water

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (34:00):
a dose of water and just never
stopped.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (34:03):
And then it was actually contagious
because now Abby has it.
She's been sick and this is allfrom laughing Too much on the
new farmer wants a wife.
if you're not on a text threadwith Vince and watching Farmer
Once and all the nicknames hehas for all the characters,
you're missing

vince_2_04-04-2025_2004 (34:21):
Listen, Higgins, it's a, it's a
tradition every year whenHiggins comes to video, farmer
wants a wife starts.
we all sit on the couch aftervideos and watch it.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (34:34):
Oh my gosh.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (34:36):
let me tell you, he

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (34:39):
Does he come up with some of the
names?

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (34:41):
Oh, he's hilarious.
He's hilarious.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (34:44):
last night.
Did you watch it

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (34:45):
I haven't seen past the first
episode.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (34:50):
Well, I got to choking on water and
Abby's got the flu now.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (34:53):
Well,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (34:53):
mean,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (34:55):
we were supposed to actually catch
up tonight.
Amy won't let us watch itwithout Nate and his girlfriend.
Well, Nate's girlfriend.
It was a big confusion.
Anyway, we hadn't got to watchit.
So there we go.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (35:08):
watch it tonight

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (35:09):
We were supposed to watch it last
night.
Nate told her we were recording,so she made other plans and of
course we didn't record, so Idon't know what they're doing.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_2004 (35:19):
Vince, did you get all your cows bread?

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (35:22):
God, no.
I don't know.
I'm fixing to turn bulls outthough, ING.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (35:28):
Are you about to catch a bunch of
this rain that I just got?
I know y'all just had tornadoes.
Are you about to get seven?
We got,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (35:35):
don't know how we missed all that.
And I'm a little nervous.
I'm glad that we missed it.
I'm a little nervous that wemissed it because I don't want
it to be one of those weatherpatterns where it just,
everything keeps missing us.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (35:46):
well, I don't think you have to worry
about that yet.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (35:48):
You know, Yle was telling us,
telling me the other day thatum, he actually called me day.
I forgot to call him back.
uh, he said there was like eighttornadoes at once in West
Tennessee.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (36:00):
Holy

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (36:01):
is nuts.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (36:02):
It was nuts.
There was one up in ridge, whichis just North Lawrenceburg.
You know where Lawrenceburg is,Joe,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (36:10):
Yeah, it's, it is just outside of
Loretta.

vince_2_04-04-2025_2004 (36:13):
anyway, yeah.
Ridge and Summertown both is thesame county that I'm in, but
they're on the north end.
I'm on the south end,

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (36:22):
Oh man.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (36:23):
rata.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (36:23):
I just wanted,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (36:24):
are the best.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (36:26):
just need to start.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (36:27):
Forge, please?

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (36:29):
Oh my God.
You know, when you're, uh,you're, um, what do you call'em?
Uh, people you went to collegewith was named after the county
that Shady Brooks in.
not the county that the

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (36:44):
Oh, yeah.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_2004 (36:45):
Vince.
What's that big?
What's that big?
What's that big city inTennessee called?
I can't remember.
The one where one.
Where all the country music.

vince_2_04-04-2025_2 (36:53):
Nashville.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (36:54):
the one

vince_2_04-04-2025_200 (36:56):
Alright, come on.
We lost, we just lost like 12listeners.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (36:59):
But we gained some right in Nashville.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (37:03):
Right down there in Nashville.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (37:05):
Oh

vince_2_04-04-2025_2 (37:06):
Nashville.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (37:06):
on my guitar.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (37:08):
So I wanna share with you guys what
I've been doing.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (37:12):
Yeah, let's hear it.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (37:13):
hear it.
had a good trip, didn't you?
came back from a trip.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (37:17):
a big trip.
Yeah.
And it was a, uh, kind of one ofthose landmark trips that, um,
I've now transitioned

korbin_2_04-04-2025_2004 (37:25):
Don't, don't say that.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (37:27):
uh,

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (37:27):
say that.
You transitioned, Joe.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (37:29):
from California and you transitioned.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (37:34):
back.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (37:35):
oh man.
I have transitioned into beingthe father of a college student.
And so that was a big move.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (37:44):
Hey.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (37:44):
I.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (37:45):
Let's go Bennett,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (37:46):
it's, Yeah, so Bennett went to a
technical school there fordiesel mechanics.
He's wanted to go his wholelife.
Super excited.
Abby and I took him back there.
We flew back there, got histruck shipped.
Um, spent two days back thereand then got to experience
Wyoming.
Got to see some country that Ihadn't seen.

(38:06):
Shout out listeners in Wyoming.
sometime this summer I'm gonnabe coming out there.
Reach out to around the chute ifyou're from Wyoming.
And a listener, I would love tosee some Angus cattle.
I would love to see some Angus

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (38:19):
but right now it's snowing there,
right?

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (38:21):
out about that ranch that you were
telling us about that you droveby and

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (38:25):
Oh, 200.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (38:25):
did.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
My buddy Kyle sho, uh, theNashville recording artist

vince_2_04-04-2025_2 (38:32):
Nashville?

joe_2_04-04-202 (38:33):
extraordinaire, owner of Lewiston Livestock in
Montana.
Um, he's one of theirauctioneers and they had a
banger of a sale, 250 somebulls, no ai, just natural
service.
Um,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (38:48):
yeah.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (38:49):
through south of Wheatland, Wyoming

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (38:52):
Been there.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (38:52):
just see feed couple, feed lots, uh,
signs everywhere.
For this, Mr.
Angus and I ended up talking tostrumming about it.
He said, uh, he thought thegentleman's last name was Reyes

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (39:04):
Oh,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (39:04):
Kyle just started auctioneering for
them last year, they averagedlike over 9,000 on 250 some
2-year-old bulls.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (39:14):
part of Wyoming

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (39:15):
a

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (39:15):
is this technical school in,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (39:19):
It's in Laramie, so it'd be in the
eastern

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (39:21):
on the Eastern side.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (39:23):
It's only like two hours from, um,
Denver,

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (39:26):
Two hours from Denver.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (39:27):
say Laramie's pretty close to
Denver, right?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (39:30):
So that's, that's where the actual
college is too, right?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (39:35):
it's in the same, yeah, so they share,
um, they used to kind of behalfway rivals, which is like
the, the technical school issuper small, you know, and so
the administrative brass, as wewere told, kind of came together
and they folded those wild techkids in.
So you get a lot of discounts.
Like Bennett, when he goes tothe gym, he'll go to the

(39:55):
University of Wyoming gym.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (39:57):
Oh.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (39:57):
Um, he, he can get tickets to football
games and stuff like that, whichI'm super excited about.
And then I was looking around, Imean, what a cool campus.
We're gonna take miles to tourthe campus there.
They've got an animal sciencedepartment and a business school

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (40:14):
How much do they love

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (40:15):
about it.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (40:16):
Josh Allen around there?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (40:18):
Well, I didn't really ask Corbin, but

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (40:20):
The,

korbin_2_04-04-2025_2004 (40:21):
didn't think about it?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (40:23):
They were doing an expansion on that
stadium that was pretty saltylooking, and I'm sure it has a
lot to do with Josh

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (40:29):
Lot to do with that quarter million
dollar contract he just signed.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (40:32):
the coolest part of y'all's visit.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (40:36):
Oh yeah.
Billion.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (40:36):
visit you went, the first visit when
y'all went, and

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (40:39):
October when I went to

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (40:41):
the coolest part of that?
No, I would never, the coolestpart of that.
Was all the vehicles.
All the vehicles,

korbin_2_04-04-2025_2004 (40:51):
That's Joe after he transitions.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (40:54):
yes.
All the vehicles that you sentpictures of.
Those were some cool kids Icould tell by the vehicles.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (41:03):
Wyatt had to load, I'm gonna tell you,
getting, getting vehiclesshipped across country is kind
of a,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (41:09):
Why didn't he just drive it?
Why didn't he drive it?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (41:12):
don't say that.
He's gonna listen to

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (41:13):
No, I wanna know.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (41:14):
family

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (41:15):
He should not have driven.
It could have been sketchy

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (41:19):
Well, I was worried 19 hours that that
thing was gonna break down andhe wasn't gonna make the first
day of class and everything, andso just get it shit back there.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (41:27):
So that's.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (41:28):
Well,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (41:28):
he could have stopped at a sketchy
gas station and went in thebathroom and somebody could have
touched his private parts.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (41:36):
true.
That person would've looked likethis text you just sent me.
But anyways, whole underbelly oftrying to get a vehicle shipped
is, man, it's interesting.
So Dmitri, I don't know Dmitri'slast name I cannot pronounce
Dmitri's last name, picked upthis vehicle when Abby and I

(41:58):
were actually in mine, Montana.
So Wyatt had to load it.
Wyatt calls me and he says, Hey,do you know if Dmitri's ever
driven a manual transmissionpickup?

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (42:10):
What.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (42:11):
And I'm like, dude moves cars for a
living.
I mean, he has to figure it out.
And he goes, well, mean, he gotkind of pale when he jumped in
the truck and saw there was astick here.
And wt was, I, I said, you putit in four low, you should put
this truck in four low.
And the truck, of course,because you're going to Wyoming
and you're a California kid.

(42:33):
Uh, Bennett kind of prepped me aweek before he says, oh, you
know, there's a little crack inthat exhaust.
There's a little crack in thatexhaust.
Well, that's code four.
He's gonna lop it off with

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (42:43):
it happens.
Those things happen, Joe.
Those things happen

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (42:46):
say, and I mean, it looks like a
thumbs up, Corbin,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (42:50):
w

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (42:50):
like a

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (42:51):
blah,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (42:52):
coal plant underneath his truck.
And it's just like black smokebillowing out and Dmitri has to
drive this thing up on a, on atrailer, but he's got his car.
This isn't germane at all, butit, it made me think about.
How we think about theselandmark moments in time.
But actually we've always beenin these states of transition

(43:15):
with these kids.
mean, the last time he crawledand he stood up, you know, and
walked, he was never gonna crawl

korbin_2_04-04-2025_2004 (43:23):
Right.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (43:24):
And so why did, why do we think about
him, quote unquote moving on tocollege or moving out or
whatever as being such a bigdeal?
Well, it's a landmark event.
I mean, it's never, things won'tbe the same.
And so it got me to thinking asI was driving through Eastern
Wyoming there and and intoMontana, it got me thinking,

(43:45):
what about our breedingprograms?
Are we in a constant state oftransition?
What are we trying toaccomplish?
And I think that actuallybringing this up is gonna create
some polarization.
Honestly.
We probably have some listenersthat are gonna think that I have
a shell breeding account, abreeding program then, and that
I need to just stay true to whatI'm doing.
And you need to etch it instone.

(44:06):
But.
It doesn't matter if you'redealing with climates or uh, uh,
environment that changes orgrass seasons that change and
seasons that change, and thatchange and all these, are we
always in a state of transition?
So I don't know if I teed thatup real good, but what do you

(44:29):
think Corbin, of, of that, Imean, what, that spark in your
mind when I say those things?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (44:37):
Well, for one thing, I, I think about
our cow herds are always in astate of transition in that
we're always trying to get'emfrom one, one season in time to
the next.
So, uh, for in general, I mean,there are places where you're
grazing 12 months a year or, youknow, you could, you could break

(44:57):
that apart in so many ways.
You could do it seasonally, youcould do it gestationally where,
whereas like a, when a cowcalves, you work that calf at 90
days, we're always working on acertain time schedule.
Um.
Are we really getting any,anywhere?
Are, are, are we just, what arewe trying to whittle away at?
I mean, what are we, what's ourend goal?

(45:19):
I mean, is our end goal to leavesomething behind for our kids?
Is our end goal to make the cowsbetter?
Is our end goal yield need yieldgrade?
I mean, what, what are we tryingto do?
Um, it's definitely somethingthat's, that's, that calls for a
lot of introspection when you,when you start to think about
it.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (45:39):
I think a lot of folks end goal is
different.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (45:42):
Yeah.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (45:43):
I actually kind of had this
conversation with a friend theother day.
You know, what, what is your endgoal?
And I, I'm not gonna say that hedidn't really know, like he's
got a vision of what he wants,but I'm not sure he could put it
necessarily into words.
Does that make sense?
Um, but it, there's so manypeople like, okay, I mean, you

(46:09):
got the guy, his end goal is toget a bull in a stud.
You got the guy that his endgoal is to sell one for 50,000
or a hundred thousand, and yougot the next guy that, he just,
he just wants to be doing it.
So he's buying and selling,buying and selling, buying and
selling.
He's not even hardly retainingUm, to, to build a actual

(46:30):
program around.
I mean, there's so manydifferent of it, and then you
know, you, everybody thinksthey're doing it the right way
and everybody is doing it theright way for them,

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (46:42):
Yeah.
Yeah, that's another questionyou guys.
Are we arrogant enough to sithere and say that someone having
the end goal in mind of puttingone in a stud is wrong?
Are we, I mean, I couldn't tell,I couldn't say that was wrong.
I mean, that's, that's obviouslynot my goal.
Um, uh.
Would, and I'm not saying Iwouldn't, that wouldn't be

(47:03):
awesome, but I'm saying that'snot the end goal.
The end goal for me is, ispretty simple.
It's to, to feed my family andget to where, um, get to where
we don't have to worry aboutmoney someday.
I mean, but leave something formy kids behind.
I mean, it's, I've got more atstake I feel like, financially
than, than some do.
And, and so we've all gotdifferent goals.

(47:24):
We've all got different goals.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (47:27):
Well, and I think that when you're
building a cow that needs towork in a landscape, I mean, you
gotta push her limits.
I really feel that that is ourrole to push her limits, to find
out how to maximize the amountof pounds that you're harvesting
off of the landscape that you'rea steward of.
Now, the caveat is for all thepeople that are

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (47:46):
I.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (47:47):
hate on that comment.
Per cow exposed.
So I'm not just saying thatwe're gonna maximize, maximize,
maximize, and then lose allthese females.
It's easy to do one of thosethings.
But to try to optimize the cowsthat you have respect to the
pounds that you harvest off ofthat particular landscape.

(48:07):
And I think that that's thecommercial role.
But to your point, Corbin, youknow, you, you brought up, if
somebody wants to get one in thestud, I don't really have a
problem with that a goal.
I really don't.
What I have a problem withpersonally though, is when folks
like to market that there'ssomething else.
When just say that all you wantto do is put one in a stud.

(48:30):
How about that?
Well, when you say that, that'snot too marketable, so people
aren't very honest with whatthey're doing.
and I've said this severaltimes, I think where I go
though, what trips my trigger onthis state of constant
transition.
You guys remember an episode wedid that was, it was passion,
um, for breeding livestock orsomething like that that we did.

(48:53):
And Vince actually talked, Ithink about EXT and said
something to the effect of,well, who's to say that what I
need now, I might not needtomorrow or what I need tomorrow
I probably didn't need today toget where we're going for
industry demands or where my cowherd was at.

(49:16):
And I wanted to unpack that alittle bit because again, I
think that some of the purest,purest breeders would say, line
it up and just keep doing thesame thing, the same thing, the
same thing.
I also think that the, the needto stay relevant to your
customer base is evolving nowfaster than ever before.
I'm not saying be everything toeveryone and change your morals,

(49:39):
but I am saying.
It would behoove everyone tobroaden your horizons and make
sure that you stay relevantunless you have trust fund.
Unless you have a trust fund,and that's okay too.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (49:51):
did you just say change your morals?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (49:54):
Ooh.

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joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (51:26):
Whew.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (51:27):
That was a fun one

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (51:29):
I know people

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (51:29):
that,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (51:30):
that.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (51:31):
yeah.
Yeah.
I've heard some, I've heard someinteresting chatter about, uh,
fake photos.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (51:40):
What's

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (51:41):
Oh,

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (51:41):
I, I don't shoot the messenger, but
I've heard AAA's looking intoPhotoshop and how to, and how to
eliminate.
I've heard that AAA is on it.
Um,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (51:52):
about

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (51:53):
same.
I've heard

vince_2_04-04-2025_20040 (51:54):
That's gonna put some people outta
business.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (51:57):
it'll damn sure make'em think it'll,
damn sure it'll change some ofthis.
It, it would, I try to find away where, you know, where I
say, Hey, free market and, youknow, we gotta let people do
what they're gonna do.
I try to have that side ofthings because I truly believe
in it.
But at the end of the day,whenever you are, there's gotta

(52:18):
be some rules, right?
When you're, when you'remarketing something that's
impossible to, to, to prove or,or something that's not, it's,
it's just, just plain, not real.
We gotta draw the linesomewhere.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (52:32):
Well, the one, one of the people that
do a really good job at fakingthem, uh, they got told on when
they, I forget it was the bullstud.
They had this cool picture andthen they played the video and
the picture looked nothing likethe animal in video video.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (52:49):
They edit the video.
You can edit the videos now toothough, right?

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (52:52):
you can't, you can't make the animal
look better, you?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (52:56):
I think they do, but I don't,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (52:58):
way.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (52:59):
think to the same degree at all.
No.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200 (53:01):
smoking?
They'd have to use CGI.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (53:04):
Is that not,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (53:06):
have CGI.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (53:07):
you don't think they do?
What's C-C-G-I-C-G-I?
Boy.
You just said C.
What does that stand for?
What does that acronym standfor?
CGI.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (53:26):
I know.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (53:28):
I just learned about ai.
How am I supposed to rememberall these acronyms?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (53:31):
So I actually heard that AI is what's
gonna be able to detect allthese falsified photos, just
like they use AI to figure outdocuments that have been
doctored with ai.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (53:43):
I used AI today.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (53:45):
What for?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (53:46):
use it quite often,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (53:48):
Uh, breed a cow.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (53:49):
a cow.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (53:49):
Yep.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (53:51):
Yeah,

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (53:52):
Oh, oh

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (53:52):
gonna

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (53:53):
ai.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (53:53):
himself on mute

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (53:54):
It took me like 20 minutes to
figure out what you were talkingabout.
Ai.
I'm so locked into AI being thisnew technology that I forget
that it's actually whatartificial insemination is.
You had to sneeze.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (54:07):
I think bringing up your photo thing is
kind of germane though, Corbin,because, I mean, I think that's
how EPD started actually.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (54:16):
the fake fake.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (54:18):
They were supposed to be the answer
to the fake photos or the fake.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (54:24):
I just probably, probably performance
and different things that werefabricated where people were
the, the somebody got togetherand said, we gotta take
environment out of this becausewe can't trust that people are
treating this all the same.
we need to describe these cattleon an even playing field.
And I don't know when the fineline is applied between free

(54:45):
market and absolute fraud.
And Angus Association's brand isassociated with Angus products
and Angus Association brand isall of us.
And so I think a lot of thesephotos have gotten outta hand.
Guys.
I think there's, I think there'sdifferent levels of out
handedness and there's somepeople that do some very classy
jobs, classy jobs with qualityphotos.

(55:09):
And then there's people that Ijust scratch my head and I'm
like, why'd you even walk outthere and take the photo?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (55:15):
Yeah.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (55:15):
I mean.
just stop trying to fool us alland just do it in the office.
Please stop insulting myintelligence.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (55:22):
you talking about taking like a, a
bad photo of a, a animal withyour cell phone and posting it
on

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (55:29):
I think he's talking about the
opposite, Vince, I think he'stalking about where it's like
this lab created photo, thatthat's, there's no reality to
it.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (55:37):
Yeah, it's so distorted.
Well, they had to have somewhereto start.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (55:42):
I don't,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (55:43):
get the brand.
They had to get the

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (55:44):
I,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (55:44):
on there, right?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (55:45):
but when I see, and it's, it's
pretty sad though, but when Isee certain names, I throw that
picture.
I don't, I don't, that programis not dead to me.
It's not like I, I, I'm like,oh, I'm not using anything from
that program.
But that picture, it's, youmight as well have not even
showed it to me.
I'm gonna need to see more.
It,

vince_2_04-04-2025_20040 (56:05):
Right.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (56:06):
if I know that picture's authentic
though.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (56:07):
was, I've, I've been a part of taking
pictures of club cabs where.
You know, a guy tells me, oh,this is all natural.
It's an all natural deal.
We don't mess around withnothing.
We don't do anything.
And then, and then he calls you.
He's like, where's my pictures?
Where's my pictures?
Where's my pictures?
They ain't ready yet.
I was like, how much ready yetdo you

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (56:28):
This is,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (56:29):
at the picture.
If it looks too good to be true,it probably is.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (56:33):
yeah.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (56:34):
good to

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (56:34):
Did you use

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (56:35):
it

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (56:35):
that three cans of starch on your
hair or,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (56:37):
So back to my, uh, transition stuff
though.
Do you think like we covered anyof that or what?
You rolled your eyes.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200 (56:46):
because you've said transition eight
times

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (56:48):
It was, it was kinda like that.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (56:50):
Corbin,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (56:51):
was kinda like that time that you
said dooo.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (56:54):
There was a comma.
It was a comma, not a dash.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (56:58):
when?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (56:58):
It's a, uh,

vince_2_04-04-2025_2004 (57:00):
Anyway,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (57:02):
this deal has

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (57:03):
the, the, I remember distinctly.
But the breed changes.
The breed transitions.
It's not just your taste, theentire thing.
I remember distinctly, I.
In the eighties, you know,everybody had them big cattle,

(57:24):
like you could s you couldn'teven see the people's faces in
the backdrop, but you could seetheir belt buckles.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (57:30):
Yeah.
Yeah.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (57:31):
I mean, they were big, tall, no
gutted.
When that transitioned.
I remember, um, remember dadgetting a bunch of cows.
Uh, I think he got a, he got abig slug of'em from ac Cumbers
because they were already doingthe way they wanted it done, and

(57:51):
that's how everything wastransitioning.
Um, and he got rid of all thosein a timely fa, the big tall
ones right before everythingtransitioned.
And he kinda went on.
So this thing's transitionedmultiple times.
Um.
Of what, a few years ago theywere wanting, you know, bigger

(58:14):
frame cattle.
Now everybody wants a a fourframe cow or whatever it might
be.
But you know, I don't, I don'tknow who's driving that.
I don't know if it's just thebuyers, if it's somebody
whispering in their ear and theystart changing what they think
they want or whatever.
But I mean, I just try to breedcattle with what I like and if I

(58:37):
hope people like them.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (58:38):
How.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (58:39):
What about you guys?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (58:40):
like, does what you like or to.
what you like.
Does that evolve and change?

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (58:47):
I would say maybe a little bit
from when I first started, but Ithink it was more so, um, the
knowledge that I didn't havethen that I have now.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (59:00):
Mm-hmm.

vince_2_04-04-2025_20040 (59:00):
Maybe.
Does that sound right?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (59:02):
Yeah, I don't think your goalposts
have moved much.
I think it's more of a, you'vebecome more in tune with what it
takes to get that ball throughthe uprights.
But,

vince_2_04-04-2025 (59:13):
information.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (59:14):
but how do we, how do we ensure that
we don't get caught up in, intrying to move the goalpost as
much as what?
Like as if we went from theeighties to the, you know, we
went from the little beltbuckles to the eighties and,
and, and 30 years seems like along time.
It really does.
But when you start thinkingabout how small they were in the

(59:35):
fifties and how big they were inthe eighties, I don't know if
we're ever gonna see a swingthat big, but how do we.
Are we, is it necessary or, orhow do we keep that from
happening?
What do we as breeders need todo?

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (59:49):
but it was just like our
conversation last night when Iwas saying I got sucked into, I
lost my focus on a bull and Ioverlook the best bull.
Because I was so focused onsomething in a pedigree or

(01:00:09):
whatever, I, I mean, we had thisconversation last night and

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (01:00:15):
Yeah.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (01:00:15):
it happens.
It just happens.
Like you just get focused onsomething fixated maybe, and you
can't even see what's right infront of you.
What is that old saying?
You can't see the forest for the

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (01:00:29):
Yeah.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (01:00:31):
I mean, that's kind of how I felt
when it hit me.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (01:00:34):
it's who your influences are too and
what your influences are, Iguarantee you the guy that's out
there calving cows, if he findsan association with this
particular siren line beats upor calf every single time
they're gonna be in a state oftransition.
Where if he sees that in apedigree, he

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (01:00:53):
Yeah,

korbin_2_04-04-2025_2004 (01:00:53):
Right.

vince_2_04-04-2025_ (01:00:54):
absolutely.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (01:00:55):
And the same with feet, and the same
with

korbin_2_04-04-2025_ (01:00:58):
Fertility.
Fertility is a big one.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (01:01:00):
that's why I've been

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (01:01:01):
Yeah,

joe_2_04-04-2025_18040 (01:01:02):
advocate of the person who is.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (01:01:05):
Is Vince shaving?

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (01:01:07):
We lost Joe

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (01:01:08):
Oh, thank goodness.
We're an hour and two minutes,Joe.
The last 12 seconds you didn'tsay any words.
Oh, you're muted.
He's muted.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (01:01:16):
he

korbin_2_04-04-2025_2004 (01:01:16):
Vince, are you shaving right now?

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (01:01:19):
Yeah.
I'm shaving my back.
No, I'm scratching my back.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (01:01:22):
Oh, Joe, are you back?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (01:01:24):
I don't know what happened

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (01:01:25):
You were muted

joe_2_04-04-2025_18040 (01:01:26):
happened

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (01:01:27):
you.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (01:01:27):
I was, I was at three bars and then it

korbin_2_04-04-2025_2004 (01:01:29):
Vince.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (01:01:30):
I muted myself.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (01:01:31):
Our audio's going to pot.

vince_2_04-04-2025_20040 (01:01:34):
Mine's fine.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (01:01:35):
have to wrap up.
My mine's good.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (01:01:37):
Okay, good.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (01:01:38):
locked up for a second, but I don't
even remember what I was talkingabout now, but I was just trying
to say that based on yourinfluences, you move your cow
herd a direction and Vince saidknowledge.
I mean, I think that I breedcattle differently today than I
did 10 years ago, and I breedcattle differently.

(01:02:02):
I bred cattle 10 years agodifferently than I did 20 years
ago.
And I think the tools I have atmy disposal now, I have a lot
more of them.
I have a lot more tools.
And the biggest one isknowledge.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (01:02:17):
Yeah.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (01:02:18):
biggest one is this has worked here,
this works for my customers,whatever.
And I think some of those age,old time-tested programs of
consistency, there wasn't a lotof generational continuity
people.
For people.
If you think about it, the mixof, of humans and involved in

(01:02:39):
these breeding programs, lot ofthem didn't have a mentor or a
person to go alongside of, andthey just kind of folded into a
breeding program.
And there's probably some goodin that and then there's some
big time challenges.
but I've got to imagine that 50,60 years ago, there was a lot
more generational.

(01:03:01):
Angus breeding that took place,and even those generational
Angus farms.
I think the Montana ones, that'swho I my mind automatically goes
to is the Montana families.
I even think that they'vetransitioned into a little
different type of cow becausetheir end user of that cow has a
different set of goals than theydid a hundred years ago.

(01:03:23):
Is that fair, Vince?

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (01:03:24):
Yeah, I would think so.
I, I would, and you know, otherthing too is the way that people
were breeding cattle and the,the.
The circle that I thought Ineeded to be in.
I was breeding cattle like them.

(01:03:44):
Does that make sense?
I mean, e even, even early on, Iremember you sharing stories
early on.
You were using bulls that youhad no business using because
there was a new hot bull or thenew or so and so-and-so was
using the bull.
So you need to use the bull orso-and-so said you need to use
the bull because he's got allthe inside track and, and now

(01:04:08):
like I don't even hear any ofthat noise anymore, to be
honest,

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (01:04:13):
Well, you know.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (01:04:14):
I talked to you guys, I mean.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (01:04:16):
I feel like, like me, the three of
us and, and most of the peoplethat listen to us and most of
the people we know are notchasing the marbling EPD.
But with that said, the amountof marbling that's getting
pushed is trickling down to usto where the, the, you know, we
might be forced to look at thatEPD and say, Hey, I don't want
it to be below this.

(01:04:37):
Maybe we don't even think that.
Maybe we don't even look at itif we don't even look at it.
It's still trending up becauseof the gene pool and what's out
there.
And so ultimately it doesn'thave to be a conscious decision
for, for most of us to changethe nation's cow cowherd because
it's getting trickled down tous, even if it's not to an

(01:04:58):
extreme.
Number, maybe it's not anextreme chase, it's still
trending in that direction.
So over time, we are gonnachange these cattle.
And whether or not it's apositive direction or not, I
don't know, but I know that,that you're guilty by
association.
I mean, you're gonna, you'recattle are gonna move in that di
direction, aren't they?

(01:05:18):
Or are they not?
I think they, it has to be, andmaybe yours don't, but 95% of
the Nation Scout heard would,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (01:05:26):
The other thing too, is you could
say, well, I'm gonna thenation's cow herd and I'm gonna
breed cattle that are miniaturesor John Norman, whatever you
want it to be.
And you'll figure out real quickthat nobody wants them.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (01:05:44):
yeah.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (01:05:45):
does hit you, it hits you once.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (01:05:47):
Yeah.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (01:05:47):
said, it's like a pendulum where the
trends, and I think that's thedifference between, wanna be
careful in this conversationthat folks don't feel like we're
the corrective mating fire andice people, fire and ice people.
but I will say this, the year2035, um, value is placed on

(01:06:07):
cattle based upon theirI-M-F-E-P-D.
Do you think some folks whodidn't pay attention to
I-M-F-E-P-D at all will now haveto, well, you don't have to, but
your third party verification'sgonna be the marketplace you're
selling.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (01:06:23):
Yeah.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (01:06:24):
If you.

korbin_2_04-04-2025 (01:06:24):
absolutely.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (01:06:27):
You don't have to, but if, if you
have bills to pay and you're notgonna be able to sell your
cattle and pay your bills, it'sgonna fix it real quick.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (01:06:36):
And especially if these cattle have
to be paying for themselves.
I mean, I think that changesyour whole mindset.
I mean, none of us run ongenerational wealth.
Um, now having said that, I'lltell you my cow herd is, is it
isn't transitioning, there'salways a goal in mind that we're

(01:06:57):
trying to create with a degreeof repeatability for our
customers.
And the cow I need today isn'tthe cow I needed 10 years ago.
So those are the transitions I'mtalking

vince_2_04-04-2025_20040 (01:07:09):
Right.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (01:07:10):
And um, and it's funny, I, I remember
distinctly the bull Vincebrought up was EXT and it was
like, well, do you think EXT.
Would work today like he workedback then.
And I think in some respects,yes, in some respects, no.
And we've even internally, thethree of us had the discussion

(01:07:30):
like, man, could you imagine ifwe had some of these bulls we
have today on those cows that wehad in the two thousands?
That would've been really cool.
And we didn't have those bulls.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_2004 (01:07:42):
Right.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (01:07:43):
We were doing something

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (01:07:44):
Yeah.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (01:07:44):
but we're able to do it backwards.
We're able to utilize the cowswe have today with EXT from
yesterday.
I mean, I've got eggs in thetank that are new matings that
are by E xt.
It's a totally different cowthan I used XT on 15 years ago.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (01:08:04):
And the, you know what the funny
thing about that is on thosefemales, the marketplace may be
there, but on those bulls, the,the end, the consumer damn sure
tells you what they think ofthose EXT bulls.
If you sell a slug of them

vince_2_04-04-2025_20040 (01:08:19):
That's why you use'em IVF and reverse,
reverse sort it and you just getfemales,

korbin_2_04-04-2025 (01:08:25):
introducing trans ova,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (01:08:27):
but you know, I mean,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (01:08:28):
a sponsor?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (01:08:29):
we should,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (01:08:31):
I'll work on that.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_2004 (01:08:32):
you're our in there, Vince.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (01:08:34):
they don't have their own podcast or
anything.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (01:08:37):
Oh, I didn't even know they did.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (01:08:39):
but the thing, I mean, that's,
that's the only way we can doit, right?
Because if you have eggs out ofan old cow in the tank, the
matings already made, it's notlike you can take a cow 1137.
You can't take her do her toresource or renno.
But you can do a resource or arenowned daughter back to EXT or

(01:09:03):
1 24 or 68 0 7 or pine dry, bigsky, whatever you want it.
If you have, can find the semen.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (01:09:11):
It is interesting.
I had a gentleman this weekendon my trips, actually tell me,
he said 1137 came up Vince.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (01:09:17):
Oh,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (01:09:18):
He said, it's interesting how many
people have tried to describematernal maternal's been
described by everyone.
It's been described by pictures.
It's been described by an indexnow, and for this gentleman, he
sees 1137 he said, that's myimage of maternal.
anybody that doesn't know, justGoogle Up sits ever elda in

(01:09:41):
tents.
1137.
Um, really impactful cow of thebreed.
And, um, but this gentleman, um,he said, you know, the pictures
I'm seeing of maternal would nothave been called maternal in the
nineties or the two thousands,but they are today.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (01:09:58):
a hundred years.
Yep.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (01:09:59):
how those shifts have happened and
he feels like we need a littlebit more of that put back into
'em, which is another reason Ithought about this transition
piece is it's you hope you don'tget to the point of a
correction.
You don't want to get to acorrection.
Um, staying relevant in themarketplaces, knowing your
customers and what their inputgoals are and what they need to

(01:10:20):
do to stay profitable so theycan keep their lights on.
but then also just not theintegrity of the breeding value
of the products you're sellingat the same time.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (01:10:31):
I agree with that guy because
that's what I've been trying to,I, I wouldn't say I am into the
point of correction, but I'dlike to see a little more of
that in my herd.
And, you know, maybe that's, usea little less of a power bull
and use a little more of a, um,know, a bull that's gonna throw

(01:10:54):
a little femininity.
Um, is that terrible?
I don't know, but I know if, ifI've got a power cow or a cow
that looks like a steer.
That's not my, that is not myimage of what a cow, a maternal

(01:11:15):
cow or a cow is supposed to looklike a female, you know?
Um, I, I'm like him.
My, my image goes more back toan 1137 that long elegant front
end, um, longer neck, biggerbodied, nice utter, um, little
finer bone.

(01:11:36):
And that's the thing a lot ofpeople get tore up about, oh,
that, that thing don't have anybone.
Is it a female or is it a bull?
if it's a bull and it don't haveany bone, that's one thing.
But if it's a female that don'thave any bone, that doesn't
bother me a bit.
I mean.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (01:11:50):
I think the power round boned cows came
into, I guess popularity somuch?
I never probably told you this.
I think it's because they couldfix the numbers on a power cow
and use a sorry narrow bull inone generation and try to get
both.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (01:12:09):
So you could,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (01:12:10):
is, they got the opposite of what
they needed.
The sire line was narrow and thewrong kind that had the numbers
attached to'em, and the femaleline was the muscle and the
power in the round.
And so you got steer looking asyou say, Vince, females and you
got feminine looking steers.

(01:12:31):
And that's the predicament I seein a lot of cattle.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (01:12:35):
but you

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (01:12:36):
you guys this.
Go ahead.
Go ahead

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (01:12:37):
Well, I was gonna say, you know what
I'm talking about,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (01:12:41):
100%.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (01:12:42):
the females that look like a steer,
you've seen them, everybody seesthem.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_2004 (01:12:47):
Rising shine.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (01:12:48):
about

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (01:12:49):
What?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (01:12:49):
isn't a bondsman.
Yeah, this isn't a bondsmanpodcast, but, and I don't know
enough to be dangerous.
I'll tell you guys that.
But that's where that stuffapplies.

korbin_2_04-04-2025 (01:12:57):
Absolutely.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (01:12:59):
deep brisket, shorter

vince_2_04-04-2025_2004 (01:13:01):
Mm-hmm.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (01:13:01):
fat, all over her.
You know, and usually her udderprobably looks pretty good'cause
it's tight right up to her'causeshe hasn't freshened in a long
time.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (01:13:11):
Yeah.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (01:13:12):
Right.
I mean generally that's, that'swhat we see.
But yeah, I know the cow you'retalking about.
I was gonna tell you guyssomething that was a really
different observation I had onthis big trip.
So I drove like not a lot, butprobably 10 hours, one direction
and then four hours another onthis weekend.
And I saw a ton of cattle, man,I mean a ton.

(01:13:34):
This wedge is getting wide inthe Angus Steel Boys.
I saw cattle that I really,really liked and then I saw
cattle.
I really, really did not likeand not a lot in between.
It wasn't just like these middlecut of just cows anymore.
It was either they had some kindto'em and they were the right
kind or they looked like thewrong kind to me.

(01:13:56):
And then a lot of those guys andgals had their cattle locked up.
'cause it's snowing still.
I mean, they're 45 days fromturnout some of those people.
And so what I see along theroad, I see their bulls, the
two, three, and 4-year-oldbulls.
You could tell the programs, youcould tell the difference in
programs.
I'll just put it that way.

(01:14:17):
And there were some bulls that,boy, um, I don't know if it's
feeding.
I don't know if it's directionof the breed.
I don't know what it is.
Um, but their older bulls lookdifferent.
And I don't know if those arethe ones like eventually once
they reach maturity, they allkind of end up looking that way.

(01:14:37):
I don't think so.
I'm just saying that as adisclaimer.
Or if their old bulls werebetter cattle and we've chased
certain traits of direction hardenough that.
We haven't even fully seen theeffects of some of these young
SARS being used.
What do you think, Corbin?
You were agreeing with me.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (01:14:53):
Yeah, I agree with you.
Uh, Maya's in here to say hi tome, but I'll try to stay, uh,
stay focused for a second.
Yeah, so it's amazing.
You, you start to see, see whatwe're doing, um, year over year.
I mean, I know there's placesthat I went to 10 years ago
where I went through their,their set of bulls, and then
I've been through them and, andthe, in the last couple years,

(01:15:15):
and I'm like, holy cow.
Whether it's just, in a lot ofways it's, it's, man, we're
covering up a lot of problemswith feed.
I hate to say it, but it's,we're pushing the extreme more
and more, and as we push, I'mpulling back and going the
opposite way.
But it is absolutely insane tome how much we're covering up

(01:15:35):
with feed.
And then when you go out in thewild and you start to see some
of these bulls that you knowwhere they came from, you know,
their origin, and you're like,that is not what that bull
looked like two years ago whenhe sold on sale day.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (01:15:47):
Do you think,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (01:15:48):
too, Corbin.
It's your commercial too thatyou just read.
Sorry, Vince.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (01:15:52):
you think the longevity in these
bulls has gone way down likeused to?
Last, you know, eight, 10 years,and now you know a bull's toast
at the age of four or five.
Have you noticed that?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (01:16:10):
Yes.
And I think that's managementbecause I think in part we're
asking so much of these cattle ayoung age just for presentation.
Um, some cattle do have a longerextended growth pattern too.
So I think there's a couplethings going on, but right, a

(01:16:31):
lot of this business has becomea feeding contest.
And you guys know, uh, Vince,you remember when you started,
there were thousand and 1100pound year limb bulls sold all
over the country.

vince_2_04-04-2025_2004 (01:16:46):
Mm-hmm.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (01:16:47):
1200 pound year limb bulls sold all
over the country.
Try to take a picture of thosebulls 60 days before his year
old birth date and put it inyour bull sale catalog and see
what your sale average will be.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (01:17:00):
had a guy call me today, Gordon
Schubert from Kentucky.
Uh, he was asking about a bulland I said, I think this bull
might work for you.
He said, well, you didn't have apicture.
He must not be very good.
I said, they were young, theywere not ready to be pictured
and I wasn't gonna get'em fatjust to get a picture of him.

(01:17:20):
You know, they're ready now forthe sale, but they're, and
they're ready for videos.
But they weren't, I mean, wetook pictures in 60 days ago.
Why would I need to get'empresented presentable 60 days
ago?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (01:17:36):
For that picture in that book.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (01:17:38):
But I mean, it's not worth it to me.

korbin_2_04-04-2025 (01:17:40):
Absolutely.
And why do

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (01:17:43):
day they'll look cooked,

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (01:17:44):
Yep.
Yep.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (01:17:48):
so

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (01:17:48):
Not only will they look cooked,
they'll be cooked and they'll goout and they'll cause you
problems and you'll end uphaving more money in sale credit
than you have in sales, which

vince_2_04-04-2025_20040 (01:17:56):
Right.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (01:17:57):
we don't want that.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (01:17:58):
death too that I'm hearing from people
is like organ failure, that sortof stuff.
And, and also what aboutdeveloping him to a point of a
three-year-old bull?
First of all, he has his geneticability, but then it's been
fully realized by the feed infront of him weighing 2,800
pounds, 2,600 pounds.
I mean, he ain't gonna breedrange cows and he is not gonna

(01:18:19):
breed a lot of, not range cowseither,

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (01:18:22):
And he is gonna run your range cows
down.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (01:18:26):
Yeah, and I think is that the lesson
if we wrap it up today is, youknow, consider who your customer
is and what customer servicemeans Some longevity in that
bull means a lot to these folks.
Bringing'em along a little bitslow and, uh, but you're gonna
have to sacrifice something.
You won't be able to take thatpicture that looks super

(01:18:48):
powerful and you get a call fromeverybody.
But maybe be that everybody whoshould call on the bulls without
pictures and say, what's thedeal with this?
This looks like it might fit mefrom a pedigree standpoint or a
number standpoint, or, I likeyour program.
Or guys, heaven forbid, I justtold you I saw a set of cattle,
a lot of cattle I liked and alot of cattle I didn't like.

(01:19:10):
Get in the truck or havesomebody who's in the truck take
some pictures for you.
Always ask first.
You know, I always ask, can Itake a picture of this animal or
whatever and share it withpeople.
But look at the cattle man.
Look at'em if you can.

vince_2_04-04-2025_ (01:19:26):
Absolutely.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (01:19:27):
Well,

vince_2_04-04-2025_20040 (01:19:28):
right.
Are we wrapping up?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (01:19:29):
yeah, our energy was kind of low for
this episode, but we, uh, we'verecorded it three freaking
times, so apologies.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (01:19:38):
The last one was gold though with

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (01:19:40):
it was.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (01:19:41):
on birth weight.
It was so good and it justdidn't work.
Why don't you guys chatter forjust a second.
I'm gonna look at Amy's notes'cause there was something else
we were supposed to say.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (01:19:49):
Yeah, there was some stuff in there.
I've already glanced through thenotes, but

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (01:19:52):
the merch.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (01:19:54):
we talked about merch.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (01:19:55):
Oh my God.
I lost the text, sir.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (01:19:59):
luck on your sale, my man.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (01:20:02):
Thank you.
I hope people come out, uh,April 12th, Leon, Tennessee.
If you, the videos are up onCCI.
If you are interested or have aquestion, gimme a shout

korbin_2_04-04-2025_ (01:20:14):
Seriously, though, we're gonna, I'm gonna
post something on Facebook here.
I'll probably wait till tomorrowafternoon, um, after everybody's
listening to the podcast.
But if you guys like and share,we'll give away.
What do y'all, let's do ahoodie.
We'll give away a hoodie, sowe'll put that on our Facebook
page.
Um, be sure it's hattie'sboutique.com,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (01:20:34):
is it a boutique,

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (01:20:36):
but boutique way,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (01:20:38):
a qua?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (01:20:41):
I don't,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (01:20:41):
Uh,

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (01:20:42):
I don't,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (01:20:42):
it

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (01:20:42):
I don't think Joe's found
anything.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (01:20:44):
No, we didn't call recover retaining
heifers, did we?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (01:20:47):
Yeah,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (01:20:48):
No.
And we didn't C, we didn't coverthe gingivitis EPD.
We're gonna do that in the next

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (01:20:52):
we're gonna have to cover those two
though.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (01:20:55):
I guess, yeah.

vince_2_04-04-2025_20040 (01:20:57):
right, boys and girls, I gotta go watch
Farmer Wants a wife and getcaught up.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417 (01:21:04):
I'm sleepy

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (01:21:05):
it

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (01:21:05):
What?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (01:21:05):
Tumor.

vince_2_04-04-2025_20040 (01:21:06):
Corbin

korbin_2_04-04-2025_20041 (01:21:07):
going to bed.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (01:21:09):
Okay, bye.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (01:21:10):
time I got to

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (01:21:10):
Say it again.
Say it again.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (01:21:12):
Take it

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (01:21:12):
One

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405 (01:21:13):
I.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408 (01:21:14):
catch y'all next week I.
We will see you next time aroundthe shoot.

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