Finding Your Sweet Spot

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In this episode, the hosts discuss the challenges of running a cattle operation, and the complexities of herd management, including optimal herd size and the use of cooperative herds and embryo programs. They also touch on the importance of selecting the right delegates and the impact of over-management in small herds.

Episode Transcript

(00:01):
Welcome to Round the Shoot.
Welcome to the round the shoot.
Is everybody's belly full?
No, no, no.
I did get a slim jam a minuteago at the store in a Gatorade.
Is it not too hot to eat rightnow?
It's kinda hot outside.
You don't feel like eating.
This is so, it's not, this isnot a thing for Vince.
What happened?

(00:21):
What happened to the brisketsandwich or primary rib
sandwich?
This is what I want to know.
So.
This place, even before it wasthe bistro has never had air.
And I told him, I said, when itgets hot people, I'm out.
People ain't, I'm out.
People ain't gonna come in hereto eat.

(00:44):
And when I say people, I meanthis big sucker.
How big of a, how big of an areais this?
It's like, um.
I don't know, maybe 3000 squarefeet.
Have you guys seen these 2,525houses?
Have you guys seen these splitunits?
Dude, they're not, but he, buthe rents it and the guy won't do

(01:04):
nothing.
It's like$150 at Lowe's.
I'm, you can put one in thewindow.
I'm te there's not, it's notlike that.
He's got There's no window.
There's no windows.
There's no window.
No, but it's huge.
It's a bistro though.
It's a bistro.
It's huge.
Windows.
The bistro.
Anyway, I, I feel like, okay.
Can we just say that this placeis called the Bistro?

(01:25):
I feel like that's not thecorrect name.
No, it's very nice.
It just don't have hair or he,he still makes it sound like,
um.
What's like a cliquey word?
Like chicky metropolitan.
Yeah.
Makes it sound like it's sowithin civilization, but my
mental image of this non-airconditioned place.

(01:47):
It is.
What's it feel like outside?
Wait, wait a minute.
Wait a minute.
Does it feel like one 10 outthere today?
Yes.
They dont have air conditionwith 150% humidity, so Whoa.
Also, he don't have heat, but heputs in space heaters.
So you walk in there and yousmell, smell kerosene.
That's not fire.
Why can't we just put an iceblock on each table?

(02:08):
I don't know, an ice block and alittle Kemu fan.
He's a a good guy.
He's a good guy, and the suckercan make some food.
But golly, that's I if I'm outand it's a hundred degrees and
I'm sweating when I, today, whenwe go to lunch, where y'all want
to go, I.
I don't care.
As long as I got airconditioning and cold drinks.

(02:28):
That's all I, that's all I care.
So you went to the gas stationjabs and had a slim gym.
Went to jabs skin.
Oh, what's that?
No, no, no.
The Japanese Mexican joint.
Oh, jabs Akin Jabs odd.
Is that really what it's called?
No, that's what we call it.
It's Japanese slash Mexican.

(02:49):
Oh.
J.
Wow.
That is incredible.
So, I mean, this guy has arestaurant and it's open, what,
six days a year?
cause that's when it's not humidand it's not cold.
I feel bad for him like.
You feel bad for a guy thatwon't splurge and put an air
conditioner in when it's 110?

(03:10):
I kind of feel bad for him, butactually how many do you not thi
What about like how manyemployees does he have?
That's like abuse, isn't it?
Oh yeah.
He's probably got six people.
And they probably can't keep.
And the poor waitresses.
The poor waitresses ain't makingno tips because nobody's coming
to eat there when it's athousand degrees.
The bistro, you know who goes,you know who goes, you know the
old people that keep theirhouses 80 degrees, like they're

(03:33):
all like my wife.
Yeah.
Like Abby, like it's 85 in thehouse, it's 84 outside.
Sure.
You can hang meat in this placein the wintertime.
Shut up.
Yeah.
No, we're gonna save$35.
You can hang meat in my bedroomyear round.
When we go to bed at night, it'sset on 59 61.

(03:54):
Well, we don't have that 59 61in the summertime money.
I'll tell you that right now.
I don't keep it.
That is, lemme tell yousomething.
I'll spend my, I'll spend mylast penny for my air
conditioning bill if I have to.
Listen, I know for a fact.
I know for a fact that lastwinter when it was 59 and 61
degrees, Joe was wearing longhandles.

(04:15):
Okay?
Like there's no way Joe couldsurvive in those conditions.
In the winter, we bump it up to63.
Butt hole cold.
That is, that is, I love it.
I love it.
I sleep so good.
It's, it's like, man, I'd reallylike to hang on to these
Isabel's and see what I got, butI gotta keep that 59 61 in the
summertime we gonna Isabelsomebody, somebody said,

(04:39):
somebody said, uh, did you seewhere they said you, you gotta
keep your air conditioning onlike 65 to cut down.
And I was like, Uhhuh.
65 is also very, I mean, 75,sorry, 75.
They want you to put it on 81 ortwo.
I'm like, that is stupid.
I'm like, do what?
I ain't putting it on.

(04:59):
I'm pretty sure that's aboutwhere we're at here in the state
of putting it on those 75 ho.
Yeah, well tell it scarcity.
They tell us to do that, butyeah, they tell us to do that.
And you know what, if they getonto me, I'm gonna be like, did
I pay my bill?
Right?
Yes sir.
Okay, then don't worry about it.
Am I up there complaining aboutmy bill?
No, sir.
Okay, then don't worry about it.

(05:21):
No.
Meanwhile, meanwhile, Vince hasgot holes in his shirt because
he's paying for air conditioninginstead of buying clothing.
Wow.
I don't have any holes in thisone.
I am making it a V-neck thoughsomehow.
I don't know.
I don't know how that's working.
Yeah, you're tucking it in tootight.
Pulling down, I'm it down or isit possible his belly too big

(05:46):
for the, is dragging it down?
No belly, just dragging it down.
Is it possible there was somesort of, some sort of t-shirt
carnage in the calf getting itshead stuck through the panel
today?
Yeah.
Let's talk about that Poor calf.
I'm over here.
I'm over on the same side as thecalf.
Head and the guys are runningaround to my side of the

(06:06):
shooting.
I'm looking at him like, what?
What's going on?
There's like cap stuck and Ilook and I'm like.
I don't see anything.
Well, there was a table, therewas a table.
The, the trans ova little rackthat hangs on the chute that
they put all their stuff on waskind of blocking the, the cats
head.
So I couldn't see it.
I'm like, everything looks finefrom where I'm at.

(06:26):
So I bought my have yoga, yougot I my head around and I'm
like, oh, oh, there's a catstuck.
How does that happen?
I don't know.
Never had that happen.
And what is it?
Is it, is there any like, itprobably can't happen again
because that panel's probablybent, didn't it?
Nope.
That's a heavy panel.
And Nate, Nate's like, I'm goingto the shop.

(06:48):
I'll go get the saws all, andI'm like, okay, no you're not.
No, he went, but we, me, me andBlake were messing with it and
we're like, man, I just don'tknow.
So I said, the only thing I knowis he is hurting.
If I unpin this panel and we putthe bar's vertical, then he's up

(07:11):
and maybe we can mess with itinstead of him being twisted and
upside down.
If he would've just laid down, Ithink we could've got it, but he
wouldn't given it up.
So we pulled one panel out thatwas behind him, and then I
unpinned that one.
I had to go put, we had to takea break for a second, put bug up
because he was going right whereshe was tied up and she was no,

(07:33):
no way she was gonna get awayfrom him.
So we locked her up in the, inthe room and, uh, unpinned him.
And he wreaked havoc, but, uh,he got his breath back to him.
We were so, which reminds mewhat, back from the old podcast
days, has your neighbor everretrieved the chunk of panel?
No.
He went, he went to thestockyard with that on.

(07:54):
No he didn't.
Yes, he did.
Yes, he did.
What do they just guess theweight of that thing and take it
off the weight of the animal andthey run'em across the scales.
I don't know.
They could put that on abathroom scale probably Corbin,
if it's certified.
Unbelievable.
I don't know, but I, I knowthat, uh, the guy, somebody at
the stockyard said it camethrough there with it on there.

(08:15):
I guess they just grind it upwith the meat too, and they, did
you see us jumping up and downon that stupid thing?
It was, you know what I saw?
What I saw was I was like,there's some urgency.
The calf wasn't really flippingout, like he was pretty calm,
but I'm like, wait a minute,wait a minute.
Somebody's filming this.
Exactly.
Like, who is filming this?
We missed.

(08:36):
We missed all the best stuff.
And I was like.
Gobble record this.
Why is nobody recording this?
So, yeah, we had enough people,me and Blake had it handled.
Gobble just needed to befilming.
Oh man.
Oh my goodness.
That is something.
So, so, Joe, are you like me?
Like, they seemed really calmfor the situation.

(08:58):
Uh, yeah.
There's no point.
I feel like, what are we, Imean, I, I'm just saying if it
would, if that would've happenedhere, why are we getting worked
up?
Well, I wouldn't have beenworked up.
I just would've been like, Iwould've been, uh, urgently
barking orders, engaged urgentlyorders.
There would've been, whoeverwould've been there helping me
would've known what they neededto do.

(09:18):
But your barn's probably airconditioned.
No.
So there was no urgency.
We had fans, nowhere got fans.
Listen.
Yeah, they probably, it's 59under that.
It's 59.
59, 61.
Underneath that barn.
There ain't no hurry.
Yeah.
Once my shirt gets drenched insweat, it's 59 61.
You know what that's from?
It's, it's a V-neck from wipingyour face.

(09:39):
I don't wipe my face.
Boy, that's, I do hang myglasses right there.
Surely they're not.
That's those, those could beheavy glasses.
No, they, they're pretty thickrimmed.
Listen, did you see us bouncingup and down on that panel?
Yeah.
No, you didn't see the end ofit?
No, because I haven't checkedSnapchat all day.
The video.
I sent the video.
Oh, well I haven't kept up onthe group chat'cause I got about

(10:00):
four group chats.
So we're Blake's just, we'rewearing it out.
What?
I'm offended that, that we'regroup chat four on Joe's list.
Yeah, I know.
Uh, no, I haven't replied tothem either.
Look, me and Blake were bouncingup down on this panel to try to
slide and it was hung his bowl.
And I was like, Hey, hang onBlake, hang on.

(10:23):
We gotta get let, get off aminute and lemme see if I can
finagle the panel around alittle bit.
Why is everything going?
You're good.
Finagle the panel around alittle bit.
Now you're not.
And, uh.
Get, um, get the, I feel likeyou got vapor lock or you're
chasing, are you chasing a biginsect round?
No.

(10:43):
What are doing?
I plugged, I plugged the stupidthing in, but I didn't plug it
into the wall.
Oh.
Um, anyway, we shimmied it offand got off his pole and bounced
up and down on it more and gotit off of him.
He's okay.
He was not happy about goingback through the shoot again.
But he's okay.
He's vaccinated.

(11:03):
Oh, you made him go back to theshoot again?
We had to vaccinate him.
Oh, that.
Oh, it'll be effective, I'msure.
Oh, I'm sure.
Yeah.
But yeah, at least you didn'tget him excited before you ran
him through.
Um, he probably didn't lose anyweight or anything.
Hey, did you use Don't matter.
I weight.
I wasn't, I didn't wean'em.
These are pre-weaning.

(11:23):
Oh, okay.
Hey, uh, we didn't talk aboutthat.
I think our most popular episodewas weaning wisdom, isn't it?
I don't know.
It's one of our more popular andwe did not talk about therapies
or anything like that.
So I was curious, are you usingthat still?
I'm not.
I used it once.
It didn't work.
So I used the stuff my buddyused, um, in selling now called

(11:46):
secure Cattle.
Did I tell you about this?
Yeah, but we, I'm gonna haveyou, we, I'm gonna have you try
some, we, we gotta try somebefore we talk about it, but it
was bad.
It was awesome for me.
Well, I'm gonna be weaning soon,so.
To try.
Okay.
I'll see what we can do.
I'll see what we can do becauseI don't want to give a shout out
on here unless you tested theproducts, but I will tell it's
the same.
But all you have to do is squirtit on his neck where you give

(12:08):
the vaccine so you don't have torub it under his eyelid.
You don't have to.
What?
Oh, maybe I did it wrong.
I wasn't rub it under hiseyelids.
I don't have to said to put iton a pole and on the nose.
It was a gigantic pain.
I don't know what I've do.
The hokey pokey.
I dunno what I've done to notneed these additives.
I don't know what I've done, butit's the crux and the 9:00 PM

(12:30):
weaning.
It's just being, being very Areyou fenceline weaning it though?
Didn't you say you fencelinewean'em all kinds of ways?
I did.
Um, so I weaned some like amonth ago and they were two,
their moms were two miles awayand, um, I locked them up in the
pins.
Well, I opened up and it'sprobably a two or three acre

(12:51):
area and normally it was kind ofhot, so I want'em to have as
much room as they could have.
I opened it up where they couldgraze around and they could kind
of move around that pin morethan normal.
'cause I knew, I knew we werelosing weight.
I mean, I knew it was gonna be,let's just get these weaned and
then we'll worry about theweight that they're losing.
I mean, I'd rather'em be pinnedup in close quarters.
But they had more area thannormal.
Well, they opened the gate andI, I got up the next morning and

(13:14):
those, those things were goingback.
I mean, they were literallyalmost back to their mom's two
miles away.
And I trailer trailered'em uphere at Ham.
So, um.
I, I guess that's not reallyrelated to the story, but I
thought it was kind of funny.
I thought it was kind of funnyand that, that does kind of

(13:34):
remind me that, uh, I'm gonnatry to stay out of the cross
hairs this week.
I know I kind of got off onsome, uh, some tangents last
episode we recorded, so maybeI'll try to stay on topic this
week.
No, wanky, dinks.
No KY dinks, no pineapple onpizza.
No.

(13:54):
What, what's the more, I, I had,I had pineapple in my, from the
bistro, chicken, cheese, andrice Today.
What?
From the, from the Mexicanjoint.
You never had chicken, cheeseand rice?
Not with pineapple in it.
What's wrong with that?
I also had peppers and onions init.
Pineapple.
Oh man.
You don't know what you'remissing, dude.

(14:15):
You're, uh.
Your Mexicans aren't like ourMexicans.
We don't.
What do you mean?
Like you tell'em you wantfreaking pineapple and they chop
it up and throw it in there.
They put, they're puttingpineapple in in Mexican food.
Joe, I.
I missed that'cause I was tryingto make a satirical commercial.
We're gonna have to skip thatbecause I'm totally distracted.

(14:36):
I, you could do the satiricalcommercial about pineapple and
Mexican fish.
So do you just like, orpineapple pizza.
So you get a, like, I just likeyou get a fork full and you
like, you get a little rice onyour fork too to go with your
freaking pineapple and thenthere's some cilantro.
Dude, that is disgusting.
You don't know what you'remissing.

(14:56):
Disgusting.
No, it's not.
It's a, it's Hawaiian Mexicanfood is what it's I think
whatever you called, I think.
Whatever you called thatHawaiian Mexican feud.
Yeah, whatever you called that.
I think that's actually a gasstation.
That's what it is.
It's a gas station.
Hey, you know it's a, it's abistro.
Y'all see that?
Can y'all see where I knocked?
The hell outta my head.

(15:16):
Two days ago.
You skied it, you scan it, itYou should wear a, you should
wear a hat.
You can't wear a hat.
All right.
I'm gonna keep looking for acommercial.
You guys lead into the first ofthe two topics, and then we'll
talk about the big topic.
Corbin, talk about delegates.
Oh my God, what's the firsttopic?
Delegates.
Delegates.
I guess I didn't know Joe's gotso many topics.

(15:38):
We gotta move along.
We gotta move along here.
I didn't know what the topicswere.
I, I didn't know we had threetopics.
Well, the first one is delegatesand.
That, that I'm scared to talkabout delegates with Vince in
the room.
I'm telling you he's been,listen, he's been biting my hat
off for the past weeks.
Be nice.
Geez.

(15:58):
Look, I'm just, I'm just fed upwith all this crap and it's not
gonna end until probably Januaryor February just because the
convention comes and goes, don'tmean all this crap's gonna end.
But all the people complaining,all of this and all of that, I
mean, dude, I got better stuffto do than sit here and complain

(16:20):
about it.
At some point, are we gonna haveto limit our exposure to the
negativity?
I mean, because I'm just saying,so here's the deal.
So I'm a, I don't know.
I'm on the list.
I, I don't know if I'm okay tovote for or not.
I didn't get that, that list,but.

(16:40):
I'm on the delegate list.
Dollar, the, what is it?
I didn't get the dollar.
Lots of meth.
I didn't get the lots of meth,and I, I'm sure I'm on there.
I don't care.
Anyway, um, the, I, I do thinkit is important for the right
people to become delegates.

(17:01):
The thing that is concerning tome is.
If we don't have anybody good tovote for, then what good is it
that we're gonna be delegates?
But as Joe pointed out to meearlier, I was unaware that we
could vote somebody from thefloor.

(17:23):
So possibly we could nominatesomebody from the floor and get
voted in.
Th the whole system is odd.
The whole system is, is odd.
It, we need to do away with it.
We need to just do voting,online voting.
So, um, so while Vince is fed upwith it and weary of it lasting

(17:46):
on into January, I actually feelquite the opposite in a lot of
ways.
I mean, of course the negativitydoes start to drag you down, but
at the same time.
Um, I guess I kind ofinvigorates me knowing that
there's as many people that careas there are, because prior to

(18:07):
this whole deal, wondered if,wondered if we were talking to
ourselves a little bit when we,when we cared about certain
issues with AAA and with, withthings that were going on.
And now we know, like, likewe've hit a tipping point, we've
hit a breaking point and there'ssome changes that need to be
made and there's.
Some things that are gonna besaid and some feelings are gonna

(18:27):
get hurt, and that's okay.
Um, I'm glad, I'm happy thatthis is happening.
Um, and, and maybe, maybe thething that makes me the most
excited is the amount of youngerbreeders, younger cattlemen and
women that are taking theinitiative to, um, well'cause,
'cause as we all know, we're thetype of people that, that kinda

(18:50):
like to be left alone.
We like to do our job and, andjust.
Not have to mess with people,but the uh, the amount of people
that are coming out saying,okay, this is enough.
Let's, let's, let's becomedelegates and let's make a
difference.
It, I like to see it.
I, I'm happy.
Well, yeah.
I think it's fantastic.
Sorry, I was struggling withmute.

(19:10):
I think it's fantastic.
I think it's fantastic thatpeople are engaged and it's
unfortunate that it took this toget to it, but you know, it's,
it's an opportunity.
And I actually think, um, I wassharing this with some people
earlier.
I, I do think that there's anopportunity for some current
board members to really thinkabout what's going on right now
with all the write-ins all oversocial media and all this, you

(19:33):
know, kind of drumming upsupport from different people.
I think really the call toaction should be, let's make
sure that the passionate peoplethat want to talk are the ones
on the delegate floor and theones who have something to add.
Because I think that there hasbeen enough member apathy or
there has been enough membercomplacency, whatever the two
you want to call it, wherepeople haven't gotten involved.

(19:55):
Um, you know, I told you guysthat I was not a candidate this
year because the office used toalways write in my name.
Because if I ever went toconvention, then I had the
opportunity to be a delegate,and usually I had enough votes
to be an alternate or something.
Well, this year, now that Abbyand I own it, I was like, man,
I'm not gonna write for my, I'mnot gonna nominate myself.
I just don't feel comfortablewith that, and I'm not at all

(20:18):
saying anything to the peoplewho do that.
I understand why you do andshame on me for being behind the
eight ball now and having totext a bunch of people and say,
Hey, if you think that I'd be agood candidate, this is what I
would do.
But I just think, um, there'sgotta be a better way.
There has to be a better way.
There's too many layers in allof this that allow people space

(20:40):
to say, this is a conspiracy tokeep the, the ruling class in
charge and all that.
Well, if it's not, then let'sfix it.
Or the reality is it's showingthat it is.
The real, the reality is, isthat the people that have a
gripe for, for their being.
Certain entities that areoverrepresented it.
The gripe is real.
I mean, it's, it's, it is.

(21:01):
It's obvious.
Absolutely.
It's obvious.
You go look at that delegatelist, and there's way too many
ties to one another on thosedelegate lists.
It's embarrassing.
You know, there's a solutionI've been opening up though
Corbin, um, that Vince actuallycame up with and, and then I
pirated on from there.
One of the solutions isstripping away some of the
prestige of being a boardmember.

(21:21):
I think, um, absolutely some ofthe responsibility, like for me,
I, I've said to you guys, Icould not be a board member with
its current requirements'cause Ifeel like I don't have enough
people at home to do the work.
Nobody does.
Nobody does.
The people that would makeawesome board members.
Do not have time to do it.
So this is a modified solutionfrom Vince Santini.

(21:43):
I'll put words in your mouth,but let's workshop this a
little.
Um, you had said something aboutwhy don't they have a lot of
those meetings on Zoom, and whydon't we have a thank you for
your service for the year aspart of a thanks for that.
We're gonna have a mid-yearmeeting where we fly all the
board together to a Kansas Cityor a St.
Joseph, Missouri, because wehave a building there and you
have the annual meeting.
So we fly everybody togethertwice a year.

(22:05):
All the other meetings be doneon Zoom.
You know, another one I'm gonnapush for, regardless of how I'm
involved or not board members.
Not board members for everyone,why can I not type in my member
code 1 0 6 2 7 2 1, my password,log in and there's an active
board meeting.
Go on.
I should be able to see it,right?
Yes.
Agree.
Absolutely.
I agree.
Should I not?
Yes, agree.
That's why I just raised myhand.

(22:25):
Yeah, I was gonna say the samething.
Why don't we, I don't.
Why can't we all, why is thatrocket science be in the room?
We don't have to, we don't haveto be able to talk.
We don't have to say anything.
Well, the thing is, is why can'twe be privy?
Forget being in the room.
They don't even print theminutes.
They don't even print theminutes.
Do you think they're gonna letyou in the room?
Because they don't even wantnobody to know what they said.
So that makes me really nervousthat that has to be so good.
Vince, for the people, I, Iwon't defend board members, but

(22:48):
I will say one of theperspectives they would share is
that's not how it goes.
Well, board members, if you'relistening, that's how it's
interpreted.
Yeah, do something different.
How's it working out for you?
Do something different.
What do you mean by that's nothow it goes?
Are you enjoying the heat underyour collar?
Uh, no, you're not.
So let's, let's be moretransparent.
Let's make an effort here.
What do you mean, Joe?
By that's not how it goes.

(23:10):
No, I'm saying that maybe thosefolks would say that's not how
it goes.
Oh.
You know, I'm not saying if itdoes or it doesn't, but I am
saying that there haven't beenefforts to disprove that.
That's how it goes.
Saying that's what I was saying.
Gonna say this isn't how itgoes.
It goes that way until you proveus differently by showing us.
Yeah.
Yeah.

(23:31):
It's a, I think those are faircriticism.
This is just my personalopinion.
I know there's a lot of, um,people saying there's, we can't
make a difference, but I tend todisagree.
There's a come up, there's acomeuppance.
In the air.
I would agree.
Things are about to change.
Things are about to change.
About the thing about it is, thething about it is, do you

(23:52):
remember when you went on thepoop cruise, Corbin?
I don't remember.
I'm sorry.
You, you were on the poopcruise, but before it was the
poop cruise.
I was.
I was, no, it was after andafter.
Before and after.
It was, it was the poop crew.
There just was no poop on it.
So when that boat's going.
It takes.
It is not gonna turn on a dime.

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It takes a while to get it toturn around.
It does.
Okay.
It does.
So it's gonna take a little bitto get this ship turned around.
I mean, if I do, especiallygiven, given that there are
certain.
What would you say?
What do you call conductors?
What do you call the peopledriving the ship?
Captains, I call it the peoplethat are saying, get the band to

(24:36):
go out on the top and just keepplaying.
Do, yeah.
You've got, you've got activecaptains that are pulling one
way and then you've got membersthat are jerking on the.
Or the, uh, the steering wheeltrying to pull it back the other
way.
So, yeah, no, it's not gonna bequick because there's certain
people, uh, certain contingencythat thinks there's no problem.

(24:56):
This is what it's supposed tohappen.
There, there, there are a coupleof people cer there, there's a
few people that need to bethrown overboard.
And then it's also, uh, and I, Ihate to even go, but the, the
narrative that says.
You might as well just get usedto it and And get on board.
No, that's not right.
Hell no, that's not right.

(25:17):
Hell no.
They're like, Hey, I don't likeit either, but we might as well
get on board.
And why would you do that if youdon't like what's going on?
That's right.
Why would you just go along toget along?
Just so you can go sell?
Do you guys know just so you cango sell your Siemens what the
deal is?
Do you know why this is not thesuper large breeder association?

(25:37):
I don't know what that means.
I thought we were super large.
That's, that's, that's wherewe're headed, right?
Is more and more the biggerinfluence people.
Oh, you mean like the, and lessof the small, but do you know
why the small, the smallbreeders have all the power in a
breed association, they providemost of the value because that's
where all these bulls arecompared against all these other
bulls.
And it builds the strength ofthe database because there's a

(25:59):
lot of small people who turn inhonest and accurate data and
they're using a variety ofthings.
Yeah, so it frustrates mebecause those people are the
ones that are kind of really upwell.
They're really, really upsetright now and justifiably so.
They don't really squeak thatloud.
They don't really ask for thatmuch.
I actually don't think that alot of these members are asking

(26:20):
for much.
I think to Vince's point aboutthe boat, and it takes a long
way to turn around, a differentway to think about it is the
closer and closer you get tothat iceberg before making the
choice to change.
The harder it's gonna hurt whenyou hit it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And if, and I watched adocumentary on that one time, if
they'd had started the Titanic,if they'd have kept it going

(26:41):
full speed and they would'veturned it while it was going
full speed, it would've clippeda small part of it and damaged
the boat, but it wouldn't havedestroyed it.
And I think they tried to slowit down too much.
They tried to slow it down toomuch.
And I think that there's a realopportunity here to look that
elephant in the eye and say.
We've got a major communicationissue, uh, since we last
recorded.
I've talked to a board member,had a wonderful conversation

(27:04):
actually, and was able to sharea lot of those thoughts.
They seem very, very receptiveand, um, I'm gonna give them the
grace and time to act.
I hope that they act swiftly,haven't seen anything yet, but I
hope they act swiftly.
Um, so beyond that, you guyshave anything more on delegates?
No.

(27:24):
Vote for delegates.
Wanna talk about, try to make,try to make good decisions of
the P.
Call'em.
Call the people on the list thatyou're voting for and ask them
what, whatever it is that youwant to ask them to see where
they stand or or what theirthoughts are.
And then vote.
Try to try to put a littlethought into it.
That'd be my only recommendationon a delegate.
And then if you get to be adelegate, if you're a listener

(27:46):
and you are afforded theprivilege of being a delegate,
don't be scared of yourindependent thought.
Correct.
That's whole.
You had your observations thefirst time I went.
I was, were you and I was, Ijust kind of did what everybody
else did.
I think the, uh, I think thefear's out though.
I, I think we're good.

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I don't think there's gonna beany fear there.
Well, I'll tell you though,Corbin, you look at some of
these delegate lists and thepeople who are on there are
people that filled in their ownname.
And some of the people I have tovote for, I'm, I'm pretty active
in California, don't even know'em.
There's a lot in Tennessee.
I don't know.
Yeah, for sure.
And the, the sad thing isTennessee gets 13 uh, delegates.

(28:28):
Wow.
And I don't, I don't thinkthere's enough on there.
We have 28 on our list.
28.
We, we have, yeah, but how many?
We have 25 or 23.
We get 14.
We have 23 or 25.
Oh, there's definitely, Idefinitely don't think there's
14 worthy, but I, maybe thereare.
I don't think there's 14 worthyWell, there's, there's a lot on

(28:51):
ours that probably not gonna getvoted for, but they'll make it
because we have 13 slots.
And they'll make it becausethey're all voting for each
other.
That's the freaking problem.
Probably.
Yeah.
So, or it's, it's very similarto the ticket On a state
election, you vote for thegovernor, you don't think about
insurance commissioner, youdon't think about Attorney
General.
And guess what, you look aroundone day and Kamala Harris is

(29:14):
your attorney general.
I've lived that.
You know, like you have aninsurance commissioner who has
made some major issues inCalifornia, people can't get
their homes insured.
Like those things matter.
But on the ticket you're like,well.
It's Newsom or it's thisCongress person and that's about
it.
Well, that's kind of where we'reat with some of these delegates.
I mean, it's, it should be okayto call up a delegate.
It should be okay.

(29:34):
It should be okay to fill in aride in if you, if you think
it's worthy.
But I also think, um, I.
I'm hopeful that whoever getsin, um, I'm still hopeful the
association could come out andsay something to support the
people that want somethingdifferent, uh, to make sure they
could hear a voice.
But if not on the House ofDelegates floor, it would be
nice to see some sort of thingsaid where we change the way in

(29:57):
which people are heard.
The, uh, yeah, I agree.
The silence.
The silence is, it's def, it's,it's definitely loud.
The silence is definitely loud.
It's, it's frustrating to saythe least, and I don't want to
talk about that Corbin, becauseI'll take us down a road.
That'll be way too distracted.
We have an exciting topic today.
Yes.
Let's get onto it.
I think it's a good topic, isn'tit?

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Is this the topic or the other?
Like this is topic two or topicthree.
Which one are we talking about?
This is the meat of our episode.
The meat.
The meat, the meat.
The meat.
I thought, I thought we only hadone meat, but you said a minute
ago we had three topics.
So, so is this, is this where wetalk about how Vince's 174 cows
is the perfect number of cows torun?

(30:39):
Is that Yes.
No, but I, I will say this,everybody has their sweet spot
where you only have so many headthat you can run comfortably,
profitably.
And with a whole lot lessheadache.

(31:00):
Like in other words, let's say200 is my number, but if I get
up to two 50 or you think that'sreally good, but it just causes
more problems, it doesn't flowwell.
I run outta space, there's a lotmore inputs.
But if I dropped it back to 200or 2 25, I don't have that

(31:21):
headache.
Right.
And a lot of people.
It takes a little while tofigure out that sweet spot, that
number.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Haven't you found, though, thatno matter what.
As long as you have a little bitmore feed than you do cows.
It seems like your problems godown.
Yeah, but we're gonna know soon.
We're gonna know which one ofour cows are way more efficient

(31:43):
than others.
Stop.
Stop it.
Stop.
Oh my God.
Gosh.
I'm gonna, Hey Vince, how's theconstruction going on your
methane chamber, by the way?
Are you putting that next to thechute where the calf was?
Or you just, I'm actually gonnaput it outside.
I'm gonna put it in the cell.
Facility, you know those, um, soevery sale animal can go get,
you're on the list.
You're on the list.
Okay.
Anyway, go ahead.
No, no.
We gotta correct this becauseMiss Amy's gonna freak out

(32:06):
though.
Vince does not have a meth.
I'm not getting methane chamber.
Methane chamber.
My neighbors are excited thoughbecause they, they just heard
meth.
They just heard math.
Yeah.
They start lining up, you know,they drive their school bus out
to see we're here for the mathboys.
They're looking for that, uh,they're looking for that porch
light that's on at night, likedriving down the road looking

(32:27):
for a, the red, the red porchlight.
Yeah.
So our, our topic for todaythough is when we came up with a
long time ago, we did just inour text group, is.
What would your operation looklike if you had a thousand cows?
What would your operation looklike if you had a hundred cows?
What would be, what would youroperation look like if you had
25?
And basically it was to contrastthe size and scope?

(32:48):
And Vince, you kind of took usdown a different road and then
you turn on mute.
But I kind of like opening upthis, finding your sweet spot of
what you can run and what youcan handle.
Maybe talk about the amount ofpeople you have.
The amount of responsibility anddiversification you have a
little bit, and how many cowsyou guys could run if you wanted

(33:09):
to be, you know, and you don'thave to get into your number of
cows.
It's very private for cow guys,but, but, um, maybe get into
generalities of how you run alittle less than you could so
you aren't running as hard orhow you found that sweet spot.
I, I don't know that I'm quiteat the sweet spot.
I think I know where it is.

(33:29):
And we're getting there.
But you know, with us rowcropping as well, we could run a
lot more cows.
We would just have to take therow crop out, which at the
moment is not as quite asprofitable as it usually is.
But, um.

(33:50):
I really like the balance thatrow cropping and cows strike,
because generally when cows areup, crops are down and when crop
Yeah.
The diversification for you guysYes.
Is really important.
It, it is very important.
And when crops are up, cows areusually a little down so they
kinda help each other out when,when things get soft.

(34:11):
So I think we've gotta keepboth.
And honestly, if I cropped.
Man, I wouldn't have to doanything all winter.
But the good part about the wayall that flows is when we're
busy with cows, we're done withcrops.
Mm-hmm.
It kind of works hand in hand.
When we're busy with crops,we're kind of not doing anything

(34:32):
with cows.
So it does, except for today.
It does.
And how many, how many peopleyou, you support four people,
right?
Me, me and Blake and Nate.
And, uh, John.
And John.
So.
That's the hard part is if youonly had one of the two, you'd
have to lay off those people forsix months and good luck getting

(34:54):
Oh yeah.
People back.
Good luck getting anybody of anyaptitude that could help you or
proficient at the job.
Right, right, right.
It needs to be a 12 month thing.
Right.
And that's all, honestly, that'shonestly one of the problems I
kind of have.
Is like, I need a ranch hand,but I don't need a ranch hand in
the summertime.
Right, right.
I don't, I don't, I would bepaying someone to stand around

(35:16):
right now.
You wouldn't, you don't have anyfences to fix or mowing and
weighting the need done.
I try to do that stuff.
Okay.
I, it's harder, it's harder forme right now with everything
that's going on with our familyand stuff, but generally I can
get a lot of that stuff done onmy own.
Um.

(35:36):
Yeah, there's projects that thatget left in the dark, but I
mean, do I really wanna paysomeone?
Right.
30 grand.
That's what you gotta weigh out.
That's what you gotta weigh out.
Like is that, is that.
Fence that needs fixed worth 30grand.
And then having to buy all theparts in labor.
So right now I'm not having topay for all the parts to fix it
either.
I'm not having to,'cause I don'thave an employee to do it.

(35:56):
So yeah, there's some of thatstuff that, that gets put off
that needs to be done.
Um, and what'll end uphappening, which, which is
something that I have to do, isI have to hire some stuff done.
It just is what it is for, forspecial projects and things.
So, um, so Corman, do you feellike you're in your sweet spot
or you should expand or youshould reduce numbers?
Well, through the drought andeverything I have reduced, I

(36:19):
would, one of the things that Iwould, if, if I wasn't running
registered cows and I just hadto maintain a commercial herd,
which I do, I run these cowslike commercial cows, but with
the bulls, you've gotta run'emthrough the chute so many more
times, they've gotta take uppasture to where you're feeding
your bulls and you're keeping'emlonger.

(36:39):
Um, but if I was runningcommercial cows.
I think I could spread out andrun a, I could run a good chunk
of cows by myself.
I really think I could.
And, and with them only havingto run'em through the chute two
or three times a year, um,special times, you know, hiring
some, some day work helps.
That's what I was gonna ask, isday work around you?
Easy to find.
Hmm.

(36:59):
Yeah.
I, i is is that, do you want thehelp around your cows?
Sometimes though?
Is, is the.
That's the thing.
So for me, Vince, to answer thatquestion, I, you didn't ask me,
but I'll chime in.
Well, he was talking Well Iknow, that's why I asked him.
Did I interrupt you, Corbin?
No, no, no.
I'm saying he was talking aboutit.
That's why I asked him.

(37:20):
Yeah.
So it would be easier for me tofind day work help if I was
treating.
I need to be careful'cause I runthese cows like commercials.
But there is nobody that I knowthis commercial that would
gather a set of cows when it'sraining to put cedars in them.
Exactly, and, and you are notgoing to call and get some day
work, help a whole bunch ofbuckaroos out here to gather in

(37:42):
the rain to put cedars and cows.
They're gonna be like, what?
Uh, no.
But if I had commercial cows andI just had to run in bigger
paddocks and mo, I mean,absolutely.
I could get day work twice ayear.
We could ship'em, it would beeasier.
Um, in some ways, a lot more, alot less headaches.
Um, and I don't know that we'dbe making a whole lot less

(38:03):
money.
To be honest with you, I thinkright now I think it would be
kind of a push now, um, when themarket turns the other way,
that's when you see thedifference in these value added
products that have in purebredcattle.
I think, um, yeah, definitely.
So I, I think that the big gamechanger for me here is we can
run more cattle.
We're starting to get moreleases.

(38:24):
We're starting to expand.
We have a real big demand forwhat we sell.
I'm gonna start folding intomore bulls as my employees.
Because the drag of Cedars, thedrag of synchronization, the
amount of cows, I mean, you turna bull out for, for 30 days, he
gets most of them.
Uh, he gets a lot more than I doon a 21 day cycle with a cedar.

(38:45):
I know that.
And so when you're talking aboutpounds of beef off a landscape,
I think we're gonna startrelying on bull power a lot more
here.
It doesn't mean we're gonna goaway from our, our AI and embryo
endeavors, but um.
Yeah, I don't know that we're atour sweet spot either, because
it seems like whenever we get tothat number, which I used to

(39:05):
think it was about 300 cows forus.
Well then we had a pasture leasethat was a hundred cow deal and
the lease was up.
And we knew we were gonna haveto compete hard for the lease,
and so we competed for what wethought it was worth and didn't
get it.
Um, part of that, you know, inpurchasing Brewing Ranch from
itself, we had to use somecattle to buy down the, use

(39:28):
their equity to buy down thecost of, of it.
And I don't need to get too farinto the details of our
finances, but, um.
Every time I feel like we have astable number, a new lease pops
up or we lose one or there's anew opportunity.
And so it seems like you'realways in this ebb and flow.
And I'll tell you the otherthing I noticed when we took
some cattle, um, to GardnervilleNevada one time at 160 cows up

(39:53):
there, and we went and, uh, youknow, it was on like 180 200
acres and, uh.
I saw'em in about 15 minutes andI was like, whoa, I just saw 160
cows in 15 minutes.
What changes now?
Split that up.
Split that up amongst six orseven ranches down here that it

(40:14):
takes me of unloading the fourwheeler, loading the four
wheeler, unloading all thiscrap.
It take me.
You know these people that havecome on ranch tours this summer,
which thank you to all the folkswho have come out and visit us,
and thank you for your patience.
It is an all day grind to seecattle.
So those little 10 head deals,little 12 head deals.
Um, I fantasize over running athousand cows, but I wouldn't

(40:36):
want'em on more than threeranches I don't think.
Right.
So Joe, not to change thesubject'cause we need to keep
this subject going, but you justbrought up the Bull Power Deal.
Um.
So do you AI one or two roundsor.
Or what?
No, I AI one round.

(40:56):
I used to AI two rounds.
Yep.
But it's just too tight aroundour corrals and feeding cattle
and stuff.
So that doesn't mean Vince, thatwe're AIing all the cows.
At the same time though, we tryto keep'em in bunches of 50
because that's kind of whatWyatt I can manage in our, we
call it morning chores.
I wanna be done with CalWork by10 11 on.
In the morning.
Right.

(41:17):
I don't wanna be doing it allday.
I just didn't know if it meantyou were gonna, when you said
you were gonna run more bulls,if that meant maybe you, you
were going to, instead of AI intwo rounds, just AI one round
and rely on the bulls moreoften.
Um, it's, that's the only reasonI ask that.
No, if you're asking about theprocess there, Vince, I'm
actually thinking about sortingup particularly first calf

(41:38):
heifers and just sticking a bullstraight out with them.
That's what I was wondering.
You wanna know how much stressthat relieves if you can do that
with, let's say you had, let'sjust say for you had 200 cows
you wanted to breed, and 50 ofthose cows you did not have to
breed.
That's, that's a game changer.
Yes.
A game changer.

(41:58):
And Corbin, I have this bullI've sent you guys before that I
kept back from the 2021 calfcrop.
Love the calves.
We're calving out the firstdaughters right now, so we'll
know a little bit more about'em.
Um, mother was an 11-year-oldcow when she left type of a deal
here.
Grandmother lasted till she was12.
I mean, outcross pedigree, it'sall good.
I'm going to mate him to a lotof cattle anyways.

(42:19):
Yeah, so what if I just stoppedand just turned him out with
him?
What about, what about this?
Yes, a hundred percent.
What about this ability we havewhere?
Where I can go to Vince's placeor I can go to Joe's place and
say.
I might not be able to affordyour best bull, but I can afford
a bull that's gonna change,that's gonna change my herd for
the better, that I'll be excitedabout.

(42:41):
And I can turn, buy that bulland turn him out on cows and not
AI in front of them.
Right?
And, um, I still feel like I'mmoving in a more positive
direction.
And we also act like AI and cowsmeans that you're using a better
bull than the cleanup bullyou're using anyways, which in a
lot of cases is not true.
What if you're AIing them tothe, your cleanup bull?

(43:01):
Yeah.
Or what is your, I think if youhave the facilities, and usually
that works for high confinementoperations.
Generally speaking now, Vince,I'm guessing in one of your
pastures you're gonna have threecows.
You wanna breed to legion andseven cows.
You wanna breed to blue blood.
And then this other set youwanna breed to Renno and this
other set to fellow or whateveryour mix of bulls are, and you

(43:23):
can't really get'em all into onepasture.
So it doesn't all line up,right?
But if you're somebody who'susing big sets on these things
and you could find 30 that fitto a legion or to a blue blood,
like you know you have in yourbattery, right?
Um.
The bull himself and his geneticvalue in merit is probably more

(43:44):
usable in your herd, and hesolved you a problem.
No cedars, no labor, no sicknessof calves in mud, no sickness of
calves in dust.
Like all of those things aresolving problems and I think
we're gonna start doing a lotmore of that here.
That's actually, that's actuallysomething I was thinking about

(44:04):
because you start cutting.
I mean, dude, if you startshaving.
I don't know.
What would that be?
Like$30 a head?
Oh yeah.
No.
Probably more, probably morelike$50 a head.
If you include labor, it's northof that prime.
Well, your, your, your labor andplus you got all your, your AI
stuff, your mm-hmm.
Uh, sheaths.

(44:24):
And even if it's your bull, it'sthree or four bucks a straw,
right?
Yeah.
Um, yeah.
So, and then you miss'em.
You know how many you're gonnamiss.
I've thought about it.
I've thought about, look, I wasgonna AI these to, to blue blood
and ai, these a legion, and Ithought about just kicking'em
out.
So I think that the one hole is,is we'd have to keep a closer

(44:45):
eye on'em.
We'd have to keep an eye andmake sure that the bulls were,
were servicing'em.
'cause we aren't like acommercial deal.
I mean, one RA ranch, excuse me,I turn out six or eight bulls.
But on that first set, if youhave a bull get hurt or you have
a cow's riding and he's notaggressive, you need to have a
little bit better eye on that.
But think of the eye we place onhow boring heat detection is

(45:07):
where we sit and detect.
And detect and detect.
Yeah.
And imagine heat detecting whenthere's a bull in there to do it
for you.
Exactly.
That's exhausting.
And you have to sit there and,and some of these bulls, they
don't really breed cows.
If you're there, they want youto, you know what I mean?
You don't, A lot of bulls,they'll breed'em from 11:00 PM
to 3:00 AM and that's whenthey're gonna breed'em because

(45:28):
they don't, that's when it'scool or, or they don't want you
to see'em, or that's just howthey are.
I never saw pandemic breed thefirst cow, so I was concerned he
wasn't breeding cows.
This was.
To last fall.
So I had him, I had him in asmall, because I, I was
concerned about his libido.
Sure.
And I had him with a handful ofcows.

(45:49):
Preg checked those cows.
He had every freaking one of'embred.
And, and they were in a smallpaddock that we drive by like
numerous times a day.
Not one person saw any sign ofheat.
I was thinking there wassomething wrong with the cows
because like, they weren't evenriding each other.
I would make the argument that.
If you saw a lot more going onin a pasture, if you saw will

(46:13):
breeding cows multiple times, ifevery day you went in there he
was breeding a cow, I'd saythere's a chance you have more
problems there probably than ifyou don't see anything at all,
especially if it's over a longerperiod.
Like if I go by.
I'm not saying this happened,but if I had go buy a pasture
now and all my cows should bebred and there's one in heat,
I'm gonna be like, oh man, Ihope he is getting'em bread.

(46:34):
You know what I mean?
Right.
I, I don't, that's not reallywhat I would see at this time.
What if, what if you had 25 cowsthough?
What if you had 25 cows to, to,to take care of?
I mean, would you still raisebulls first?
I guess that's a no, that's a,you wouldn't raise bulls.
I wouldn't, not in Tennessee.
Dude, it's so hard East ofMississippi.

(46:55):
I don't think I would.
You don't think you would, butBut it would be, okay, so here's
the thing.
The question is, are we juststarting and we get 25 cows, or
are we in the ranches that we'vehad for last few years and going
down to 25 cows?
Because to me, that's gonna makea difference.

(47:17):
I'd say.
Um, well, we can play thatscenario out, whichever one you
think would be most.
You see what I'm saying?
I'd say, I'd say there's morepeople, there's more people that
would benefit from aconversation that says, Hey,
I've got 25 cows.
What should I do?
Well, let's say you got 25 cows.
How do you tackle it?

(47:38):
Oh man, that's hard becausethat's so tough of where you're
at in your journey.
Corbin.
Yeah, and those guys are theeconomic engine that drive
female sales, which areimportant to a lot of us too.
You know, it's like.
I mean, I don't make it publicand everybody says I'm a
hoarder.
I sell a lot of females too, toa lot of guys that have less
than 25 cows and they're gentleand they don't go be purebred

(48:00):
cows or anything like that.
And so, and then there's peoplewho, you know, it's funny, when
we put together this question, Iremember what I was thinking.
I.
Uh, 25 versus a thousand and howit would be different.
And on the 25, I was like, man,those would be the baddest
witches you've ever seen in yourlife.
See, that's what I'm thinkingwould be incredible.
And then I would get, well, nowI'm gonna start putting embryos

(48:23):
in, in a cooperator herd, andthen it's just gonna keep going.
But do you know the problem?
Here's the problem with running25 cows.
I'm just gonna put this outthere.
Over management would be aproblem for me if I only had 25
cows.
But here's the thing, Corbin, ifyou're going from what you are
doing now to having 25, that isgonna be a problem.

(48:46):
Same with me.
Yes, but if you've never hadcows and you're just gonna get
25 cows, that's not gonna be aproblem because you don't know
any better.
You don't know any better.
Right.
That's why I asked the questionyou asked.
So, so we asked the ai quewould, would you AI if you had
25 cows?
Yeah.
I, I, I want to be honest, Ithink I.

(49:09):
I think, I think you could evenstill have an embryo program.
If you had 25 cows, you could dowhatever you want.
You could buy embryos from a guyand put a few embryos in.
You can have one donor cow andyou know, really hone in on a
cow family.
I don't know what soundsenticing to you guys having 25
commercial cows and just runningthem, running really good ones.
That sounds great to me too.
Yes, putting a good bull out.

(49:31):
Now if you got 25 cows andyou're gonna want to do a, I
guess my.
My thing is don't, don't jumpright into an embryo.
Prole.
Get 25 cows.
Get the protocols down by AI'em.
Get good at that.

(49:51):
Get do a good job with those 25cows.
And then one day you say, youknow what?
This cow has done me such a goodjob.
I would like more of her.
Well then if you wanna flush'em,flush'em.
I do, I do.
I can't lie to you guys.
I do like the idea if I had 25cows of finding, um, some

(50:12):
embryos out of a, so I'll, I'lljust use this as an example.
We bought some embryos out of,um, foundation, stickler
Foundation, five fourteen'smother, and if I had 25 cows,
that would be so awesome to gopluck something like that,
something similar to that,something that's neat, something
that's unique, and just be ableto play with it.
Just have that opportunity.

(50:34):
Um, I, I think the opportunitiesare endless with 25 cows.
Um, but even, even 50.
Even 50.
Even 50.
You said you don't think you'd,I I'd still sell bulls.
I, I think I would.
I, I don't know.
I don't know.
I would try.
Um, they would have to be, and,and I'm doing that now.

(50:54):
I mean, like, I'm calling themhard.
They would have to be reallygood.
Like there's some that that areover in the bullpen right now
that are gonna get cold becauseI thought I'd give'em a little
bit of a chance.
But they're not, not, and they,they got get caught in a panel.
No, no, no, no, no.
But it was the bull thing.

(51:16):
I don't know.
But just because of where I'mat.
Yeah, it's a different deal.
It it, it's different.
It's not where you're at andit's not where Joe's at.
It's just different.
Think where you're at.
I thinking how quality orientedhe would be.
Like he's, I'm really wrestlingin my head.
This picture, Vince is paintedof like.
Going from where we're at downto 25 instead of like my kids

(51:39):
who each have their one cow.
Yes.
And they're growing towards 25.
And so I only have the world ofview of where I'm going.
And I'm thinking, man, thosewould be the baddest witches
you've ever seen.
And I'm gonna have some guy tryto beat me up for a$2,700 bull.
No, I'm gonna, I'm gonna steerevery single one of'em.
That's what I'm saying.
I'm not gonna deal with it now.

(52:00):
Maybe some wisdom for the 25guys.
You are gonna need a pickup andtrailer and some panels and a
chute and everything, so itdoesn't matter if you have low
quality cows or high qualitycows.
The equip stuff, equipment,stuff's going to cost the same.
And so listen, listen, wheneverI worked an internship in

(52:25):
Colorado, one thing that wasburned into my brain was, if
you're gonna run a cow, youmight as well run a good one.
So I'm gonna say if I have 25cows, if I have 35 cows, if I
have 50 cows, I think the end rethe end result needs to be
quality.
Um, so whatever.
Yeah.
Don't you think that, that's tomy point though, Corbin, about

(52:45):
ranch size and things wheregenerally producers, I.
Where they get outta quality iswhen they have to fill leases or
fill grass or feed resources.
And then once you start growinginto that, you start chipping
away at the, at the drags.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then you have theopportunity to grow again.
And you're keeping all theheifers you can again, and
you're giving cows secondchances'cause you paid for the

(53:05):
grass and you like, it justkeeps kinda, but, but I think
you're right.
I mean, and, and we're notsaying she has to be Angus or
pure bred or No, just good.
But she better probably notcause you many problems.
What were you, what were yousaying a minute ago?
Did you get to where you weregoing?
I don't remember now.
Oh, okay.

(53:26):
No, I don't remember.
I mean, I was just saying that.
Like it's different, like yousaid.
I mean, Paxton and Meredith andMiles and Bennett are gonna want
to keep all the heifers they canto keep growing.
Right.
Um, I do fantasize about thethousand cow deal though.
If I had some small deals, I, Iwould have a completely
different mating system though,and it's so fun for me to think

(53:46):
about this because I would have,I would probably keep most of
the heifers.
Um, I would type'em just like Ido right now at Bruin.
I'll tell you guys how theheifer selection happens.
I get rid of the monsters and Iget rid of the dinks and the
middle cut of heifers is what wekeep and we keep'em all.
There's not really a typeselection other than if they're
complete junkers.
I say that I take care of thetype selection when I selected

(54:09):
the bull based on his mother.
That's how I take care of thetype selection.
And so, I mean, obviously ifthere's something super Ill
made, we get rid of her, butthen I let fertility take its
course.
And then the ones that don'tbreed.
That's the first cut.
Those go to a grass fed customerof ours who finishes them out
and about three or four monthsafter they've been, so those
heifers are gonna get preed whenthey're like 20 months old,

(54:31):
probably 19, 20 months old.
He's gonna finish'em between 28and 30 and some'em for pile of
money to grass fed, which iswonderful win-win situation.
Then after we have those out.
That's when we type'em, that'swhen we start looking at is this
utter exactly how we want it?
Is this attitude exactly how wewant it or don't?
And those cattle go a certainway.

(54:52):
Um, I would love to do that onthat last scale, but then have a
second cut of that, where theones that we were keeping the
replace, if we had a thousandcows, the nucleus that we kept
our bulls out of would be allthe older cows.
So as cows hit 10 years, theywould go into this other herd
that was like the quote,purebred herd that was giving

(55:14):
the replacements back to thebulk of the cow herd.
And then they would also be theones that the bulls were coming
out of that would go back in.
So you could use an outcrosssire, you could AI, if you
wanted, the AI program wouldprobably still not be bigger
than a hundred cows on athousand cow deal.
Um, and the AI program may be aHereford bowl one year.
He may be a, a charla bull oneyear.

(55:35):
He may be a lot of differentthings.
Um, he, he would probably be anAngus bull a lot of years
because I know how to use thosegenes and they work well for us.
But the thousand cow deal forme.
As funny as it sounds, it wouldbe a lot simpler.
It's easy and on both end, bothends of that spectrum.
It's funny because Vince startedthis conversation talking about

(55:56):
the sweet spot.
He's found this kind of sweetspot and you gotta look at your
resources, which I thought wassuper insightful of Vince to
share.
But if I go down to 25 where Igo up to a thousand, I make it
simpler in both.
I use like one bull ai.
Yeah, like one.
That's it.
And, uh, and I know that soundsrisky.
If you have 25 and those areyour only ones, and you put all

(56:17):
those eggs in that basket, butI'll speak to you what my friend
Herb Holle says Who, who, he hasa thousand cows and he uses one
sire for two years in a row.
Before he changes, he's like,but on the next generation, all
I have to do is fix that Bull'sfaults.
I don't have to worry aboutthat.
Bull crossed with these, crossedwith these, crossed with these
and, and it starts to workitself out, which is a super fun

(56:40):
and interesting approach.
You know, um, this doesn'treally have anything to do with
scale, but I noticed the simplerour breeding program is, the
less amount of bulls, the lessamount of breaks I give these
cows.
Well, that's okay for us whosell Commercial Bulls is the

(57:00):
largest portion of our income,but Vince does something
different.
So it's hard to have these big,simplified mating systems when
you have a female sale in mindand you have a market that
prefers a little bit of variety.
Right.
Vince?
Right, right.
It would be hard to try to, tomake it.

(57:23):
I have made it simpler the lastcouple of years.
Um, I mean, dude, we were AIingtwo rounds.
We were putting in two rounds ofeggs and we were putting bulls
out for 30 days.
And it wasn't fair to my bullsbecause I didn't think that the
bulls were getting a fair shot.
Um, and now we just, it, we didit this way'cause we got really

(57:48):
busy.
We did one round of ai.
Kicked out bulls.
Well, another reason we got goodbulls, I mean, between legion
and blue blood, those are tworeally good bulls that I'm AIing
to as well.
So that makes a huge difference.
Um, but this, this being simpleris one round of AI and kicking

(58:14):
the bulls out.
I mean, my cows are getting alittle more time with a bull, so
if they need it.
They have it and we're notsitting there messing around
trying to get two more AIpregnancies and missing six
head.
You know, the bulls out thereare just taking care of it.
Um, isn't that the truth?

(58:36):
I think some of the AI's so muchbetter thinks we just keep
cutting our herd in half.
We do.
Because you just go half on,half on half.
So you need to make sure.
Do you think, here's one forShady Brook, like in your
current size?
Do you ever think you'd get to aspot where you were just et or
cleanup bulls?
That's what I try to do now.

(58:57):
Is it, um, I mean, I do ai somecows, but at the end of the day
it's like how many, how, howmany times can one guy run a
bunch of cows through, let's saywe're doing a seven and seven
protocol on an ai and we'retrying to breed those at about
the same time that we're tryingto put in embryos.
I've got one shoot and I've gottwo hands.

(59:19):
Some of these cows just end upgetting bred to a bowl that I'm
really excited about.
It's a, happens to be a cleanupbowl, but, um, the embryo
program is something that youcan't really put a, you can't
really put a stop to it becauseit's helped move us forward a
lot too.
Um, I think running a goodcleanup bull in a lot of

(59:42):
scenarios is very helpful.
So I do.
I did, I quit AI and a lot ofgood cows that needed to be AIed
to put eggs in them.
Yeah.
Uh, for a couple of yearsbecause my view of it, it
might've been wrong, but my viewof it was I've got these three

(01:00:06):
or four donors that I reallyneed to move forward with.
And while this is a very goodcow.
If I AI her to the best bullthat I could find, that calf is
worth X.
An embryo calf outta one ofthese donors is worth twice as

(01:00:28):
much.
So how do you AI that thing, youknow?
So I did that for a bit and thenI got to a point where.
I felt like I wasn't havingenough, enough.
Um, I, I, I guess, calves tomove forward with.

(01:00:51):
'cause it was, everything wasreally condensed down, which is
what I wanted.
But I, I ended up pulling, goingthrough and saying, okay, these
cows here are good enough.
They check the boxes.
We're gonna AI those and quitputting eggs in them.
And these over here are gonnacontinue to get eggs.

(01:01:12):
And I mean, the biggest, thebiggest thing that was my focus
was feet.
These cows over here had goodfeet.
They're getting ai.
These cows over here do not havegood feet.
They're getting an egg.
Very few of them that had goodfeet.
There was something else.
Um.

(01:01:33):
Uh, you know, maybe a, maybe acold pedigree or something, a di
less desirable pedigree.
And I said, well, again, aembryo calf's gonna be worth a
lot more than her natural calf.
So I didn't, but something thatI could do now is I could go
back in and do that again withBlue blood and Legion.

(01:01:54):
Yeah.
And still have.
And see, I used to put a roundof eggs in and then watch the AI
and then put a bull.
It was crazy.
It was so much work.
Put that embryo.
Put that embryo on.
So you were, you were, and thenyou missed the ai half the time,
not half, but so much ended upmoving.
You were doing, you were doingthe work of having a thousand

(01:02:15):
cows, but you didn't have them.
Yes, it felt like it.
So here's something else that.
I, I was thinking about, youwere talking about the, we had
the conversation about the sweetspot.
Your sweet spot is such abalance though for me because
we, we raise all our own feed.
I still have to have so muchhay.
We have to have so much silage.

(01:02:35):
I have to have so much oats.
I have to have so much cornbecause we raise the bulk of our
feed.
Would it, uh, Vince, would itbenefit you to.
Run more cows and not sell thefeed.
You do sell a little bit offeed.
Right.
Would it benefit you to not sellthat feed?
You sell and run cows or wouldthat Uh, we sell some silage to

(01:02:59):
neighbors.
Um, I don't, I generally don'tsell a lot of hay if I sell any
at all.
Um, so you would have to, if youwere gonna run more cows, you'd
have to put up more feed.
That's what I'm saying.
Uh, hay wise, hay wise, we'dhave to pick up some more hay
ground somewhere.
What if you had, uh.
Um, what if you had more ground,more acreage?

(01:03:19):
I mean, can you run cows in thewinter in Tennessee without
feeding them?
Not really.
Mm.
Maybe man, if you had itstockpiled, maybe if you're, but
the, the, the thing about it isthe.
The way we do it, and I'm notsaying I do it right, it's just

(01:03:40):
the way we do it.
We calve in a certain spot afterthey calve, we move them and
having, they have to be close tothe barn.
We can AI'em.
So there is a field there that'sa row crop field that we could
put in grass.
But I, I.

(01:04:01):
I don't know because we're, I'm,I'm so set on keeping those cows
where I cave them, they gottahave feed.
I gotta feed'em right therebecause it's, it's not a
feedlot, but it, it ain't farfrom it just because that's
where I need to keep'em so I cancontrol it.
Um, the reality of the situationis if you were gonna get any

(01:04:24):
bigger at all, I think you'd endup having to have some more
help.
Oh, I would have to have help.
Yes.
So, um, I don't know that I'dhave to have a lot of help, but
I would still have to have somehelp because, I mean, we can
work the group.
We have the people we have.
I mean, just like today, I mean,we work cows, not a problem.

(01:04:45):
Um, it would just be more daysof working cows.
Did you just say Not a problem.
Not a problem.
Yeah, no problem at all.
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Now are you done making fun ofme now?
Probably not.
Probably not, but so, um, yeah,no problems today.
Working cows.

(01:06:51):
I mean, just the, the issue, theissue would be when we have
other stuff to do.
Exactly.
We can't be working cows.
Yeah.
So, oh, did, so there's this guythat, um.
Pretty prominent family thatlives here by us and they're the
Codys and everybody knows themand they, they hire every

(01:07:12):
single, all their cow work done.
They hire it all done, they pin'em and then they hire a crew in
to come work'em, which I thinkis crazy'cause that's like my
favorite thing to do.
Yeah, they may have found it wasa pinch point.
Yeah.
So, so are we gonna talk abouthow Cooperative Hurts too now,
or, no, I feel like we had 47minutes of Awesome.

(01:07:34):
And then after Vince's Lenovocrashed out, now we've been
like, I.
Paddling in the ocean.
Okay.
So it's like, I can't rememberwhat I'm supposed to talk about.
So.
Well, I can't remember what Isaid either.
There's some things I think Imissed that I'm like, man, I
don't know if we need to bringthat back up or not or whatever.
But go ahead.
As if, as if I don't have enoughtr trouble staying on topic and
now I'm having to try toremember what topic I was trying

(01:07:57):
to stay on.
The I'm working for me.
The co-op heard you said youboth do it.
Why is Corbin in the dark?
I don't know.
It's so creepy.
Oh, the, it's creepier.
Looking at him though, you saidyou both do the co-op herd, uh,

(01:08:19):
corbin's using I, I thoughtCorbin used somebody else for
co-op herd that first time Idid.
Okay.
I did, I used Bryant.
Um, it was six hours away andfather-in-law's 20 minutes.
It just worked out that way.
So if, if you're gonna have aco-op.
I do think it needs to besomewhat close where if you

(01:08:41):
wanted to go look, you could.
Don't you think?
Yeah.
How far away is yours Joe?
Mine's about two and a halfhours, but it's my dad.
Yeah.
Well that's, I think I mentionedthis in the last segment, I'm
not sure, but, um, um, you know.
We did not put in an embryo atBruin Ranch last year, and I

(01:09:01):
would like to keep doing that aslong as we can because it allows
me the flexibility to usegenetics differently.
And, um, you know, that set ofcows that we're flushing.
I always think about when Iflush a cow that we're gonna
keep every daughter.
And then if they're bulls, thatwe would be interested in using
the bulls back in our program.

(01:09:23):
And so dad's calves aren'talways the same size as ours.
They aren't always as big.
And um, so.
If we're gonna turn all thosebulls out, what are the sis that
we would use?
And since then, I mean we'reCalvin at about the same time
now.
We moved to cabin a little bitlater.
He's Calvin a little bitearlier.
It folds in.
Um, I like it because we havehonest and clear dialogue about

(01:09:46):
the cattle.
He's also really pumped up andinterested in our program, uh,
when there's cowboys around anddad's branding calves.
With his commercial cows, theyalways get to see these brewing
cattle in a really, reallynatural, in their mind,
commercial.
It doesn't matter how much I runthis exactly like a commercial
deal, everybody's always gonnathink that there's something

(01:10:06):
behind a curtain somewhere.
Like there is no curtain.
It is what it is, but becausewe're a purebred operation,
there's automatically a stigma alot of times, and that's why I
love these tours is becausepeople come and they're like,
uh, no.
Yeah, Joe hasn't been to thisranch in a week.
And that's real.
Um.
But when the commercial guyscome and they help dad and
they're like.
There's those commercial cave orthose purebred calves.

(01:10:29):
They look different.
They look different, and that'spretty cool.
It's been a great advertisingpiece for us, and he's really
bought into it.
He's learned the cows.
He's, he, uh, he sends meupdates.
It's, it's really added a wholenew dynamic to my relationship
with my father, which has beensuper cool.
But I will say there's a piece,um, I, I.

(01:10:49):
Think I said this in a notrecorded section, I'm not sure,
but Abby always says The root ofall conflict is unmet
expectations.
And when you engage in thesecooperative herds, a lot of
times we're stuffing a lot ofmoney and a lot of trust with
some people it may be the lasteggs ever out of the best cow
you ever had.
Yeah.
It may be a.
You know, you took out some sortof loan that you're questionable

(01:11:12):
on paying and you're like, man,this is gonna be tight.
These cattle really have tocount and there's a lot of trust
there.
Well, on their side, what Irealized is there's a lot of
stress too, because they havethe stress.
If something doesn't work out,I've actually had to weigh these
stupid things, which I've neverhad to.
Way before in my life, and I'vehad to worry about'em ever

(01:11:33):
since.
The day we put the embryo in, wehad to put Cedars in.
And I'm not used to puttingcedars in cows.
I've had to sink.
I've had to do all these things.
And so there's that stress, butthen that cooperator herd.
Has the stress of feeling likethey let you down too.
And so I spent a lot of timemaking sure dad knows, hey, it's
okay.
You know, one of the bestPanther calves this year.

(01:11:54):
Um, dad weaned him the day heweaned him.
Those bulls were fighting orsomething and it looks like it
broke a part of his pelvis orsomething and it healed back in.
So he kind of just barelymisses, but he's not gonna make
it.
I mean, he's gonna be a steer,and that was one of the best of
that flush.
And dad's just devastated.
I'm like, Hey.
He didn't jump through thehoops.
Do you have any clue how manycattle don't make all the hoops

(01:12:16):
in brewing anyways?
That's what defines the men fromthe boys.
You know, like, so it sucks onthe financial piece, but that's
what we do.
That's why we get the retailreward is because of all the
culling that it took to get'emthere, right?
So the cooperator herd, managingthe expectations, making sure
you communicate clearly andfairly bad eyes, broken tails,

(01:12:36):
broken hooves.
Disposition.
How about that?
Um, you know when we're gonnawean what that looks like,
because if those guys aregetting paid based upon weight
and an escalator on weight, andthen you're like, Hey, I need to
wean these calves'cause I needto get'em on feed for my sale or
whatever.
Well, those guys are gonna wantto hang onto'em as long as they

(01:12:57):
can, right?
So they have the highest payweight.
So you gotta make sure to talkthrough all of those things if
you're gonna put in IVF embryos.
Vince, what about con what aboutconception rate?
Yeah, those guys usually preferconventionals.
Um, so how are you going to makethem whole?
I think there's, it requires alot of thoughtfulness and what
I've seen is when the marketgoes high, most people lose

(01:13:20):
their enthusiasm for.
Raising embryo calves, and thenwhen the market dips back low,
you'll get plenty ofopportunities of people chasing
that premium.
Well, a good buddy of mine doesit too, and he, there was one
certain company that put up eggsand he was pulling 150 pound

(01:13:43):
calves for these people.
And he won't, he won't, he won'tput those eggs in anymore.
I've heard of those again, I'veheard of those too lately.
Like yeah, who is it?
And it was a nightmare for me.
Bill Thatt, who is it?
Do I use this company?
I don't know if you do, but Idon't think we should.

(01:14:05):
Corbin.
'cause I No, we don't need, no,I'm kidding.
I'm kidding.
I don't want you.
So he, you know, he lost cows.
That's terrible.
That that was a huge problem.
And.
You know, you were talking aboutthe cooperators being stressed
out.
I mean, golly, he was inducingcows and not sleeping.
'cause he was checking'em everytwo hours and I mean, it was a
big deal for him.

(01:14:26):
Um, so, you know, and you, youowe it to that guy or gal to
make sure that you're a goodsteward of them.
Like if you're gonna put in somebaby elephants, maybe you ought
to do those on your own cows.
Right.
Um, you know, dad, that's fair.
Dad's like, wait a minute.
How many times does this matinggo back to 60 71?
Is this thing gonna have like 15legs?

(01:14:47):
And I'm like, no, dad, it'll befine.
You know?
But actually I'm, I'm using yourplace as the Petri dish for it.
Yeah.
Um, just kidding.
Uh, but I, I think you're right,Vince, like.
You gotta be a good steward ofthem folks, because there's two
sides to it.
Uh, in the last segment thatdidn't tape, you talked about
how expensive it is and maybethere's a better opportunity to

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run different cattle.
Yeah, and I'd like for you totalk about that in a second.
But on the other side, it's alsoout here in California.
If you think about our stockingrate, what dad puts in for
embryos, for me, I'd have tolease another 1500 acre ranch.
Probably.
Yeah, Lee.
I don't think there's many ofthose just kicking around in
California.
No, probably not.

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And that, that's what I wasgetting at on the last deal.
The, you know, some people needa co-op.
Uh, there's a place not far fromhere getting started.
They don't have enough land.
They don't need to own theresets, they just need to own
the finished product.
Um, if it's me and I got thespace, I'm owning the resets.

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I'm not putting.
I'm not sending a big slug ofeggs to somebody and then
handing them a a hundredthousand dollars check at the
end of it.
I would rather take that ahundred thousand, buy less
resets, but own them than theyhave natural calves for me.

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If they don't take the egg, thathelps pay bills if.
Some reason I get in a bind, Ican load them up, the ones that
didn't take the eggs and take'emto town.
I can take'em to town at weaningif I need to, um, or sell'em as
commercial breads or whatever itis.
But instead of me payingsomebody 2,800 bucks for a wean

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calf, I'd rather spend$3,800 andown the cow and she could raise
two embryo calves for me so thatturns that cow cheaper.
Um.
And do a lot cheaper investment.
But that's just how I see it.
That doesn't mean that I'mright.
Um, there are pe just like whatyou guys are doing, man.

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That's the perfect scenario isfor both of you.
You know, Corbin's got the roomto run the extra cows, but in
the drought he didn't, so he hadto to get rid of them.
Um, yeah, so it, it's all it, itall just depends on your
situation, how you're set up,what you're comfortable doing.

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I don't know.
Well, and I just got donetelling you how I prefer to have
dad do it, and then I could sellthese cows and everything and
the market's super high.
Well, the cows I want wanna sellare the old, old ones, or
they're ones with a bad foot ora bad tet or something.
Correct.
Those aren't the ones that aregonna bring 4,500 at the sale
barn either.

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On the special sale, the onesthat are gonna bring the 4,500
are the ones that are the centerof your herd, that are the tack
drivers that are selling the sixto$8,000 bulls.
And so it's kind of this weirdebb and flow of how we can
maximize.
The cattle we don't want in ourbreeding program and their
value, and then maximize theresources we have.

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And we didn't even get into taxliability that comes along with
situations like this, which is avery, very important strategy
and how you manage your cashflow and your operation.
And, and I do hope that that's atopic we can discuss in the
future with someone who is alittle bit smarter than me about
it.
And, uh, but being a businessowner now.

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It's presented a whole new hostof challenges for us, and that's
another thing with cooperative,cooperative herds.
I remember a, a guy saying thisout here when we were putting in
like close to 200 eggs a year,says all fun and games, until
that semi-load of heifer showsup.
You're like, yeah, the semi-loadof bulls went to the feed yard
and all we had to do is makesure those were handled right
and sold to the sale.

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Now the heifers, they come backhome.
Some of those aren't as good aswhat you had in the field and
how are you gonna recoup thatcost and, and the capital
intensity that's associated withthat too.
Um, so it, it can catch up withyou real quick.
Absolutely.
It can catch up with you realquick.
Absolutely.

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Alright boys.
Joe, you gotta go get cows up.
I gotta go get some stuff.
We're shipping, uh, replacementheifers to Oregon in the
morning, and then I'm visiting,uh, one, maybe two if they're a
listener.
They're a closet listener onSaturday, so I'm excited for it.
Yeah, I heard Milo's fourwheeler go by.

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Um.
I'm sure we've got a little bitof daylight left.
I'm sure she's wanting to go dosomething.
She probably gathered somethingfor you to wean, but you'll wait
for another two hours to dothat, won't you?
Yeah, I'm not in any hurry.
She, uh, the other day, theother day she's like, dad,
there's cows out.
I put'em up, shut the gate.
Okay, cool.
That's awesome.
Like, that's fantastic.
Did you remember that?
You're six years old?

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I think you're forgetting you'redoing stuff on your own.
It's really freaking me out.
You know, one thing, one thingwe haven't said.
One thing we haven't said,because we're in the Angus
business and it's so easy tolive in our Angus silo, we have
so much good news in the beefbusiness right now and so much
to be grateful for guys.
Like it's silly when you seethese reports, a thousand pound

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steers bringing over$3 and youlike.
Are you kidding me?
I sold, I sold several bullsthis year.
Mature herd bulls bringing 38,40$200.
I mean, coal cows that arebringing more than a lot of
people have ever sold bread cowsfor.
We just had a customer, kind ofsome thinner cows that they had

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that they sold.
They had a whole dispersal.
Those cows average like$4,200.
Body condition score four, fourand a halfs, I mean.
I just sold two loads of brokenmouth cows all over 10 years old
with about two, maybe three textmessages yesterday.
We, uh, like we are in the glorydays of beef production right

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now, boys during COVID, each andevery one of us sold steers for
900 bucks thousand bucks was atthe top.
Now a 550 pound steer isbringing 22 50, 2300 bucks.
This is crazy.
Blake, I'm not sure.
I don't know what to do.
I don't know where it was.
Blake showed me something atlunch.

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The guy had 415 calves thataveraged eight 70, and I don't
remember the price on'em.
It was over$3.
The total per head price was2,900 and some change.
On 415 heads.
Imagine.
Imagine taking that check.

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My God.
Imagine taking that check ifyou're a stalker and buying
back.
That would be freaking hard.
Well, here's the other thing.
So that gentleman who did that,Vince, he's gotta pay off his
operating note.
He's probably gotta pay downsome debt in some different
places.
But he's sitting there thinking,I gotta manage all this income.
I gotta go buy some cows andeverybody needs to buy cows.

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Everybody needs to buy cows.
It's, it's nuts.
It's absolutely nuts.
And there's not any to buy.
Yeah.
But where is not, would he havebeen better off to keep the
females and those could havejust been all steers and he kept
the females, I don't know.
But would he have been betteroff to keep the females, sell
the steers?
He don't have as much income tohave to turn around and go buy

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and raise those females to putback in the herd.
Because like you said, yeah,it's probably a little quicker
to go to the neighbor and buy ahundred bread heifers or
whatever, but they're not there.
You can't find them.
They're not there.
They're not that.
That's what I think.
I think this market's lookingfor some indicators of
stability.

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I'm not an economic, uh,economics major.
Like I don't even follow a lotof that stuff.
But I think some signals fromour politicians are really,
really scary.
You know, when we were openingup the border for the screw
worm.
And then you see the futuresmarket tank, and then all of a
sudden Brooke Rollins came out.
Was it today or yesterday?
It was yesterday.
As we're taping now.

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Um, and the market just wentnuts again.
So like, but it went back down.
What we're gonna do about screwworms, because if all of a
sudden they get those and they,a report comes out that says
it's eradicated.
We're opening up the border, andthat thing goes the other way.
Again, I'd like to just knowwhat's a stable calf gonna be?
Is a stable calf gonna be at.
Predictable.

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2,500 bucks a piece.
2,700.
Is that our new normal?
I don't know.
Um, I think it darn sure couldbe guys, I think.
I think people want Americanbeef and there ain't a lot of it
out there.
It makes it exciting for me.
If a calf brings 2,500, mylife's changed forever.
I gotta figure out a way tomanage it.

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'cause I'm so used to beingbroke that I don't know how to
manage money.
And when I have, if you needhelp with your social media.
I know guy.
Alright, boys outta Boot Wicker.
Let's get outta here.
Take it away.
Bye.

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We will see you next time aroundthe shoot.