How Did We Get Here?

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vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (00:00):
All right, boys, we're rolling at 42
seconds.

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_17 (00:03):
The following is not a facetious
commercial.
Welcome to around the Shoot.
How's everybody been?
Take two.

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (00:14):
I'm good.
I'm good.
It was a pretty day here.
Tried to combine a little bit,got frustrated.
The combine was having issues.
Uh, finally got rolling and themoisture was a little too high.
We got everything put back inthe shed and we pulled the last
thing in the shed.
It started drizzling some rainand the rest of the day is gonna
be with you guys.

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_175 (00:36):
It sounds like you did a lot of
work and didn't get anythingdone.

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (00:38):
my kind of days right there.
I love those days.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (00:41):
Where'd you go to lunch?

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_175 (00:42):
It bees that way sometimes

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (00:44):
bi, the bistro.
I had some ribs.
so good.

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_ (00:47):
ribs,

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (00:48):
off

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_ (00:48):
good?
They smoking fresh every day.

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (00:51):
every day.
Fresh.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (00:53):
So you off the cycle on

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_1750 (00:54):
I could eat ribs.
I.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (00:55):
doing that anymore?

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (00:56):
were out them.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (00:58):
What the heck?

vince_3_06-12-2025_17513 (00:59):
That's what I

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_ (01:00):
it's, it's so good they can't keep'em
in stock.
You know, I could eat ribs.
I think it's better.

vince_3_06-12-2025_1751 (01:07):
what's.

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_1 (01:07):
it's better,

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (01:08):
you guys a couple times

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_1 (01:09):
but.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (01:09):
we're just gonna have to be patient
and give you guys more airtimein case it's a mess.
Again, sorry to our listeners,we had a nice two hour podcast
where we've already done thisonce and uh, yeah, I had a fan
going in the background orsomething and it caused us to
skip.
But we've been just, I don'tknow, we've ever ran this hard,

(01:30):
this long.
Shipping cattle, moving cattle,ping cattle, entering weights,
um, all that stuff.
But Corbin, Vince, I mean.
don't know if I've had a coupleweeks in my life that have ever
quite sucked.
The wind outta my sails, like,like, have been sucked out this
week.
Um, been drawing, it's beendrawing, investing in so many

(01:53):
people calling, which I'mthankful for.
Thank you everybody for reachingout to us.
But it's been a chore, hadn'tit?

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_ (02:02):
Well, and on top of that here, it's
been, uh, which I'm thankful forthis, but it's been raining
pretty well every day.
So, um, rather than being ableto be out spraying weeds or
thinking about bailing hay orgetting stuff together, uh,
working on equipment, I'vepretty much been, me and Milo
pretty much been in the house,so, um, I feel like I've been
inundated and more involved withwhat's been going on than, I

(02:26):
mean, I'm still not as, as crazyin the middle of it as a lot of
people, but, um, I feel likeI've been right at the forefront
of the information wave.
So it's kind of, it's kind ofexhausting and I haven't really
been able to do much.
So

vince_3_06-12-2025_1 (02:40):
exhausting I got to spend, I got my
vacation, uh, talking to peopleon the phone about all this, so
it was really wonderful.

korbin-5000_1_06-12-202 (02:50):
Where'd you go?

vince_3_06-12-2025_17513 (02:52):
Panama City Beach again, and it

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_ (02:55):
Yeah.
Yeah.
How was the weather down there?

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (02:58):
it was, it was hot.
It was hot.
Uh,

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_17 (03:01):
So, so you do have a, you could tell
you've been out in the sun.
Yeah.
You've not been in the cabtractor for the past week.
You've been, uh, you've beenelsewhere.
Do you, uh, are you, do you goget in the ocean or are you
scared of sharks?

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (03:18):
Well, I mean, I'm not saying I'm not
scared of sharks.
If I met a shark, be scared if Iwas in the ocean and I looked up
and there was a shark.
You're right here.
Yeah, I'd be scared.
but no, it's not like I don't goin the ocean because sharks live
in the ocean.
Um, no, we actually brought, uh,our, our pup with us and took

(03:41):
her to the dog beach and Nateand uh, I think maybe it was
Sophia.
Anyway, somebody pup sitted.
So me and Amy could go to thebeach together for a little bit.
an hour down there and I wasdone.
That was it.

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_1 (03:57):
That was it.
That's all he needed.

vince_3_06-12-2025_17513 (03:59):
'cause the water was so rough you
couldn't get in the water andfor, for a

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_17 (04:03):
Oh, he couldn't get no water.

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (04:05):
uh, the day after we left, it was,
um, the, we were seeing wherepeople were posting on Facebook.
The seaweed was so, so bad thatwe were, we

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025 (04:17):
That's so gross.
Have you ever had seaweed onyou?

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (04:20):
it.

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_1 (04:20):
It's disgusting.
If you've ever, I will have somelisteners that have definitely
been to the Gulf of Mexico, um,outta Galveston, down there in
Texas, the Gulf of America.
Yes, that is correct.
That is correct.
And I am glad that the crap showthat's going on in Washington t
Washington, DC can still.

(04:42):
Be at the forefront ofeveryone's mind.
Um, so what's going on inAmerican Hanks Association and
what with what we're doing isprobably an afterthought to most
people.
Thank goodness.
Let's, let's do it.
Let's, let's not bring attentionto it if we don't have to.
I don't, I don't think we reallywant to.

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (04:57):
We lost Joe.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (04:59):
No, you

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_175 (04:59):
Is Joe there?

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (05:00):
It's just that I got like these wind
chimes in this room I'm next to.
And if we explain to listeners,I had a fan going in the
background that made it allchoppy.
Now I'm all worried that that'sgonna do something.
I, I don't even know what to doanymore.
Honestly, I'm so exhausted bythe topic and the subject
matter.
Um, I want more Panama CityBeach.
What do

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (05:19):
I heard that.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (05:19):
What?
What do you do?
Are you, you don't drink, so areyou playing cards or board games
or

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (05:24):
I just watched tv.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (05:26):
you just watch tv?
You don't

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (05:28):
I.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (05:28):
much TV though,

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (05:29):
I sit in the, I sit in the air
conditioning and I watch tv.
Oh, I watch about

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_1 (05:35):
That sounds.

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (05:35):
every night, and that's about it.
I'll turn it on while I go tosleep.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (05:40):
Wow.
I just got done with a series ofmeetings, um, at a, at the board
that I sit on, um, here in thestate that I really, really,
really love.
We had a series of greatmeetings and good, uh, know,
civil or servant work for, um,the membership.
We had a lot of members goingand we've done a good job of
shifting the focus, um, know,back on the members, which has

(06:03):
always been a priority of mine.
And, you know, uh, think withthis Angus thing, guys, I'm not
here to steer the ship oranything, but we're kind of at
the point we have to talk aboutit, um, on this podcast.
And we were out on it prettyearly.
We were talking about it reallyearly.
I wasn't around, I was in, uh,Denver when this all would've
broke, but we were talking aboutit and then we did not release a

(06:26):
podcast, if you guys remember.
And then, um, we did release thelast one we did.
Time has revealed a lot, Ithink, in this particular
subject.
I think it's a way for us,there've been what Corbin 3, 4,

(06:46):
5, 6 is.
Is, is there, is there in the,

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_17 (06:52):
Not five, not six, not seven.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (06:54):
double digits worth of podcasts about
this subject matter.
And so I want to make sure thatwe are describing things fairly
and accurately and making itclear how we feel as Angus
breeders and try to give ourmembers, the around the shoot
version.
You know, obviously we havelike, uh, like, like, uh,

(07:16):
sensors and stuff, so we have tokeep our language clean because
we've definitely been passionateabout this issue.
But we broke it up, um, intokind of some topics and.
We thought we should just startwith how we got here, because
some of you all listening arelike, what are you guys even
talking about?
Because you don't tune, tuneinto social media, or you may

(07:37):
not hear until it's too late oryou hear rumblings.
I don't think that's gonna bethe case with this one.
'cause the first thing, as soonas I stepped into the meeting
room I was in this week, uh,everybody's like, what's going
on with Angus?
And, uh, but how did we gethere?
We're gonna go in a timeline,um, of media, of when the media

(07:57):
put out to the public what washappening.
And so, to be fair, this isn't aperspective, it's not Angus
perspective grant, award orperspective.
This is April the eighth is thefirst publication PR release on
this subject matter.
It's from the Bezos EarthFoundation.

(08:20):
Um, I'm looking it, it sayspress release.
I do not see an author.
I'm going to read through apiece about it and I'm just
gonna read the read the, uh, toppiece.
It says, Bezos Earth Fund andGlobal Methane Hub Launch,$27.4
million Initiative to breed lowmethane livestock across four

(08:43):
continents.
New global effort aims to cutlivestock emissions through
natural science-backed breedingmethods.
April the eighth, 2025.
For the first time, scientistsand breeders across the globe
are joining forces to slashmethane emissions from livestock
backed by 19.3 million from theBezos Earth Fund, and 8.1

(09:06):
million from the Global MethaneHub.
A new initiative will fundresearch and breeding programs
across North America, LatinAmerica, Europe, Africa, and
Ocean to help herds emit lessmethane.
Naturally, the funding willsupport grants that deliver the
tools to identify low emissioncattle and sheep based on

(09:28):
biological traits and helpbreeding programs select animals
that are naturally more climateefficient.
The quote from their director ofFuture of Food at the Bezos
Earth Foundation, Andy Jarvissays, reducing methane from
cattle is one of the mostelegant solutions we have to
slow climate change.
to collaboration with the GlobalMethane Hub, we're backing an

(09:51):
effort that uses age oldselection practices to identify
and promote naturally lowemitting cattle locking in
climate benefits for generationsto come.
And it goes on to talk aboutmethane.
And, uh, you know, I wouldencourage our listeners, uh, in
fairness, click around on theBezos Earth Hub.
Um, click around and learn moreabout this.

(10:11):
There's videos everywhere.
There's Ted talks of theirexecutive director.
It helps you to build, um, aknowledge base of what the
worldview is of the fundingpartner.
Now, Corbin, that was April theeighth, and you are going to
handle the next correspondence,correct?

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_17 (10:29):
So, April 15th, and I'm just going
off of social media, which Ithink Joe was to, uh, that's
where they, they originally, uh,posted the, the methane, the
Bezos Fund.
Um, which I'm assuming that thisarticle was posted on American
Angus's website around the 15thtwo, wouldn't you think?
Joe and Vince?

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (10:48):
Yeah, I would.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (10:49):
I would say it's safe to assume I did
not see it.

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_1750 (10:53):
I didn't see it either.
And I do wonder, um, I don'talways do a very good job of
checking my email, so I'm alsowondering if they sent an email
out.
I do not think they did, though.

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (11:04):
Yeah,

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_1750 (11:05):
I don't feel like that that was
something that happened.

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (11:07):
They could email me that I want a
million dollars and I wouldnever get it because I don't
ever go look at my emails.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (11:14):
I think we're trying to not be
provocative too, boys, if we'rebeing frank.
I mean, you gotta click on kindof a, uh, pretty benign article
title that a lot of people mayor may not click on in order to
get to the article.
And we found it in diggingaround.
So go ahead and walk us throughthat.
Corbin, I'm gonna go back tomute.

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_175 (11:34):
So it's April 15th is, you guys can
find this on American AngusAssociation's Facebook page.
Um, the headline, which is thereel, it says, Angus joins
global initiative to improvelivestock efficiency.
So it doesn't say anything aboutmethane or anything of the sort.
And then the caption reads,which is a quote from Kelly

(11:56):
Vitalik.
It says, anytime we can equipAngus breeders with a
science-based tools that canhelp them drive meaningful
genetic progress in their herdsat no cost to them, that's a
huge success.
Um, so then you, you read thatand you, you don't really get
anything out of it.
It's very vague.
It's very surfacey.
So you click this, the link thatthey provide there, and it links

(12:18):
you to an article that is bySarah Kocher, who's a
communications specialist thereat the journal.
And, um, the headlineimmediately of the, of the
article is, Angus joins GlobalInitiative to improve Livestock
Efficiency, which is the samething it says on the Facebook
page.
Then you read the caption rightbelow the title of the article

(12:38):
and it reads Angus Genetics Inc.
To Lead North American DataCollection for$4.85 million
research grant from the BezosEarth Fund and Global Methane
Hub.
So there it is, right?
There's the, uh, the big topicat hand.
That's when it finally, um, ismade it, it's finally put in the
text that exactly what was goingon, because the previous stuff

(13:01):
was, I.
It was very vague and you didn'treally have an idea of what it
meant.
You had to click around a littlebit, which I think in the spirit
of things isn't verytransparent.
So then you go on to read thearticle and it starts off by
saying, joining a new globaleffort to help beef cattle
producers breed more efficientlivestock.
The Angus Foundation alongside aGI and other research partners

(13:23):
in North America, Oceania andEurope, announced the receipt of
a$4.85 million re research grantover the next five years.
Kelly Vitalik Riley, a GIPresident, expects to better
understand the geneticdifferences in energy efficiency
between animals, emit differentlevels of methane, allowing for
new genomic tools to enhance thealready robust toolkit available

(13:43):
to the beef industry.
So there, um, you kind of get agrasp of what is really
happening.
Um,

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (13:52):
And Corbin and Vince, did you

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_1750 (13:53):
I don't know.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (13:54):
to cut you off.
Corbin, please finish.
Uh,

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_175 (13:58):
go ahead.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (13:59):
I'm gonna speak for all of us.
None of us know what was goingon until, um, I did not know on
the eighth.
Did not know with the 15th, wedid not see that information.
It wasn't until the 17th.
the beef magazine had one thatstarted circling around and I
got a text from a friend, um,where beef, the magazine put out

(14:20):
a, uh, a little, um, just kindof some click, almost click
bait, and then you click on itand then you could actually see.
And it said The initiative will,uh, fund methane reducing
reduction efforts across majorlivestock.
Lemme repeat that.
The initiative will fund methanereduction efforts across major
livestock producing regions andbreeds with contributions from

(14:41):
each entity, including from theBezos Earth Fund.
2.34 million to the Universityof Nebraska to lead research on
low methane beef genetics andcommercial and crossbred cattle,
million again to the AngusFoundation to integrate low
methane traits into beef cattlebreeding programs in North
America, Oceana and Europe.

(15:02):
And it goes on to a coupledifferent that aren't as germane
to our discussion after that.
Um, there started to be someother podcasts that started
digging into this quite a bit,and that's when the churn kind
of started on social media andit started to gain a lot of
attention.
On June the sixth after theirboard of directors meeting, the
American Angus Association cameout through their podcast with

(15:24):
kind of a question answer Um,again, June the sixth, where
there were three directorspresent, um, the president

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (15:36):
It was the special committee.
The committee?

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (15:39):
Was it the executive committee?
Is that

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (15:40):
Yeah, the executive committee.
Yeah.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (15:42):
But I don't think, uh, I think one
member was a bonus, by the

vince_3_06-12-2025_17513 (15:47):
Maybe.
Maybe one member was a bonus,but it was the

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (15:50):
you guys can look all that
information up.
I'm not gonna mention the names.
You two can choose to mention'emif you want.
I just, um, we'll get

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (15:57):
No,

joe_1_06-12-2025_15504 (15:57):
podcast.
Some other ramifications.
I don't, I don't want to becalling out individuals.
I, I.

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (16:01):
do, want to

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_1750 (16:03):
I

vince_3_06-12-2025_17513 (16:03):
second and go back to what you just
read.
It's supposed to help withmethane reduction.
Is that what you said?
How are we gonna reduce.

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_ (16:14):
Let's Beef Magazine spin on it, or is
that something that,

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (16:18):
you

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_ (16:18):
which it did.

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (16:19):
out.
Was that from Beef Magazine orwas that from put out from the
Methane Hub or Bezos.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (16:25):
That was put out.
That last one I just read wasfrom beef, the magazine or the
beef magazine, whatever.
Um, but that was the languagewith the methane hub too,
because we've seen members comeout when the social media storm
happened, there were plenty ofmembers that were against.
Um, and there were plenty ofmember, uh, there was a handful
of members that started to churnup some support.

(16:48):
And the members who churn up thesupport were saying, Hey, this
is about cowherd efficiency.
This is about cowherdefficiency.
I think part of this, we'll getto why the members are mad piece
in a second, but the PR debaclehere is, is that you've got one
entity saying.
This is for efficiency and we'regoing to use methane as the tool

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (17:09):
Yes.
Yes.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (17:12):
you have one other entity that's
saying this is about methanereduction

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (17:16):
So,

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_ (17:17):
Yeah,

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (17:18):
a, that's a problem.

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (17:20):
but couldn't, can't, I, Vince
Santini go out within my ownherd and kind of pick out what I
think is the most efficient cowshere, because there's not gonna
be a way that they can say,animal A eats more grass than
animal B.

(17:40):
So therefore, animal A is not asefficient.
How, how, how are they gonna,you see what I'm saying?

korbin-5000_1_06 (17:49):
unfortunately.
Unfortunately, I.
That's exactly what they'regoing to do.
That's, that's, that's kindawhat I foresee is gonna happen.
Don't you, Joe?
I mean there's,

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (17:59):
is the process is.
Cows on grass figuring out howmuch they eat.
And then there's these some sortof facilities or chambers that
measure the methane that theyemit.

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (18:11):
So, okay.
Cow A farts a lot more than cowB, so she must have eaten more
grass.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (18:22):
I

vince_3_06-12-2025_17513 (18:23):
Right,

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (18:23):
to that.
I think it's more, it's more

vince_3_06-12-2025_1751 (18:25):
because it makes the more,

joe_1_06-12-2025_155 (18:27):
rumination

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (18:28):
more, the more they eat, the more they
fart or burp basically.

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_1750 (18:36):
I don't know.
We'll find out.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (18:37):
is where I'm unclear.
I, I think after listening to acouple of these correspondence,
I'm, I'm left with morequestions than answers.
I don't understand the process.
I don't really think that's whata lot of this is about.
I told you guys that,

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (18:51):
Well, if I have a, if I have a pasture
full of grass and I have 20 or40 or 50 or what, however many
animals on it, I should be ableto.
Ride through them and see who isconverting the grass into
weight.

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_175 (19:09):
It should be very apparent,
shouldn't it?
It should be something you, youshould be able to observe.

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (19:13):
to do.
That may not have anything to dowith efficiency and it may not
have anything to do withmethane, but

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_175 (19:22):
It does have something to do with
efficiency, but maybe not in theway that they're going to gather
that information.
Because the way that I seeefficiency, it does, it does
have your observation, yourpersonal observation of certain
cow families that stay fleshyand things like that.
Ones that you know which onesare up grazing, you know which
ones are eating more.
Ones that are always in thebunk, ones that stay fat on air.

(19:43):
Um.
So, yeah, I would say that yes,your observation of efficiency
is probably different than whatthey're talking about.
It's probably different,probably different, different
uses of the word.

vince_3_06-12-2025_175 (19:57):
Correct.
So is the word reallyefficiency?

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_1 (20:01):
It's a, it's, isn't it more of just
like a buzzword that gets thrownaround in order to,

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (20:07):
I don't know.
I mean, I could have theskinniest cow in the field and
she could be the most efficientin their eyes because she don't
eat as much grass, but she alsolooks like a hot dog with legs.

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_17 (20:20):
and then so and so is, is this cow
really efficient?
If she's that hard doing,probably not raising as big of a
calf, probably not breedingback.
Probably not a very good cow.
But yet, um, according to thisstudy, um.
Which I, I think at the end ofthe day, we're gonna have an EPD
with this information on it, andI'm, I'm, I'm very concerned

(20:43):
that, um, I'm not gonna, we'renot gonna get a good
representation of whatefficiency really is in this
number,

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (20:50):
I feel like we're just gonna slice our
cow herd in half again, or we're

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (20:54):
every time.

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025 (20:55):
right.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (20:56):
you, you, it's I, I've told you guys
this before.
It's the prime yield grade onefreak that could win the PGS
show, who also has perfect feetbreeds right back.
That's what we are led tobelieve.
That we have to breed for allthe time.
And I always say at what cost?
Because all of these businessesare built on a economic
foundation.

(21:16):
I mean, these operations arejust now, Corbin and I were
talking about this, Vince, whileyou were trying to edit the
previous podcast.
You know, are finally enjoyingsome economic times of
prosperity where we're catchingup on things.
Maybe people are purchasing someinfrastructure.
They've neglected for some time.
They're buying some newvehicles.
Finally, they're reinvesting andseeing the daylight.

(21:37):
And now, you know, well, by theway, we also did release three
new other traits that came outlast week at the same time where
people are going, man, this saysthat half of my herd is
favorable for this half of myfavor.
My herd is not favorable forthat.
And I think you really touchedon something as a stockman.
That's always been, when thisfirst came out, I didn't know

(21:59):
anything about the Bezos EarthFund.
Not a thing.
And I was troubled by theheadline of Angus to integrate
breeding philosophies orstrategies, and I thought that's
kind of an arrogant stancebecause I write a lot of checks
to Angus and I implement thestrategies.
The breeder is the star.
And it's not that I'm lookingfor the spotlight, but I am

(22:21):
saying that all of you wholisten, and all of you who
register calves and all of youwho invest in Angus bulls, you
all are the ones that deservethe spotlight.
As the person who integrates aprogram, you integrate a program
based or a, a, a a solutions,whatever you want to call it.
You integrated into yourbreeding program based upon your

(22:42):
resources available timecapital.
Um, environmental resources,talent, all of those things.
And guess the top down approachin feeling like you don't have a
say.
We'll get to why people arefrustrated, but Vince, you
touched on it.
If she's fat, I feel like, uh,anymore I'm really satisfied

(23:03):
with where my hurt is.
I've told you guys this.
When I look across'em, I'mreally pleased and I see things
that we can tinker with, but I'mreally pleased and we're meeting
a lot of the goals that we'vesaid that we would provide to
commercial cattlemen.
And to have someone say, well,do you really know how much she
eats Joe?
I'm like, well, my utilizationof a paddock isn't too high.

(23:25):
not overgrazing individualplants.
We're putting carbon right backinto the soil.
We are, we're browsing on, onForbes and brushes and our
utilization of range land isn'ttaken away.
Fact is, boys look right next tome at a golf course.
200 acres of golf course that'sbeen mothballed since COVID.
deer don't live there.

(23:46):
live where the cows are.
We're creating habitat.
We're part of the ecology.
We're part of the solution.
And I feel like, man, we willget to the, that part, but I, I
feel like we crawled in with anarrative says that there's
something to improve when mylife work has been trying to do
good.
And that's frustrating.

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (24:08):
The, you know, you're, you, you made
mention a minute ago of all thenew EPDs that we already have,
and now we're come, we're.
They're gonna come out with thatregardless for the meth.
EPD, I just hope they call itmeth or dollar meth.
That would be awesome.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (24:23):
Yeah.

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (24:25):
Um, you know, the, the thing about
it is what point are we gonnaquit looking for more stuff and
take a step back and say, youknow, we should quit coming up
with new stuff and then just tryto make the stuff that we have
accurate because it's not, uh,the EPDs that we have now are as

(24:50):
inaccurate as they are accurate.
I, I, I would say 50% accuracy.
Um, and the, the other thing is,every single time they come out
with an EPD, they're creating abottom and a top in the middle.
So every day we wake up.

(25:11):
And every Friday when we wake upand they come up with a new EPD,
Hey, we got this new EPD, blah,blah, blah feet and utter tets
and and functional longevity, myherd goes downhill.
Some of'em go to the top, someof'em go to the bottom.
And that's with the wholenation's cow herd.

(25:32):
That's with your herd, Joe, yourherd, Corbin and mine and
everybody listening, some of'emare gonna, there's nobody that's
gonna have'em all go to the top.
So when they start tellingpeople, look at this EPD, you
can believe in it.
You can, um, breed your cows offof it.
You can wholeheartedly doeverything with it and it's

(25:54):
inaccurate.
Or your cattle have a low EPDand they tell everybody it's the
cat meow.
And people look at your cows andsay, well, it's dollar Seas
only, uh, 200.
So that's in the top 80% Thatthing's no good.
That's crap, man.
I know that they develop thesethings as tools, but the way

(26:21):
they promote them is not in atool fashion.
It's a breed by this fashion.
Am I the only one that thinksthat receives that message?

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (26:37):
No, I think that's how a lot of people
feel.
I think that us beingproprietors in these businesses
affords us the opportunity tohave freedom, to allow the third
party verification of the freemarket to figure it out.
And I know that I said a lot ofwords there, but basically we're
saying our customers can makechoices.
And as the small business ownersthat we are across this great

(27:00):
land, we could build any kind ofwidget we want to, especially
here.
I'm always triggered to saybecause, because I think it
sounds good.
I think when you package it up,it sounds good, and people go,
man, this person sounds smart,or whatever.
And, and it's a very naturalthing to want to do, to sound
good.

(27:20):
Words mean things and I wanna becareful'cause somebody will use
that against me in the futuretoo.
And sometimes I'm wrong with thewords I choose, I am.
But when you say we gotta makethis cow better, when you say
she has to improve to berelevant.
When you say things like that, Ithink about the words and then
backtrack.
And I think, where have we come?

(27:42):
As an industry and as breedersfrom 20 years ago, years ago, we
talk about the nation's cowherd, never rebuilding.
We're producing the same poundsof beef.
How good of a steward is thatbreeder to be able to meet that
challenge?
done it.
They've got along just fine.
So how bad is the Angus cow?
hard do we have to press geneticimprovement?

(28:05):
I've been a part of somemeetings lately, some really
innovative ones I thoughttalking about recruiting young
people and young talent intothis business and making kids
want to come back.
These are the very things,gentlemen.
These are the very things thatmake my Bennett go, why are we
doing this, dad?
Why We cut a stake off of her.

(28:25):
Everybody loves our story.
Everybody loves what we do.
Everybody enjoys the eatingexperience.
They can see our consumer,Vince, our consumer, can look,
see, touch, and taste.
They could look, see, touch,taste.
They can hear all of the goodthat we do right in our
communities.
But to think that we always haveto do better, that frustrates

(28:49):
me.
It frustrates me a lot.
And that is, that is the messagethat I had relayed before.
You know, I know that it'snatural for people to demand
progress.
Demand progress.
I think we need to normalizedemanding progress in terms of
profitability of small familyfarms.
I.
That's how we should

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_17 (29:09):
Uh, yeah.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (29:10):
it on Corbin.
Can you go take Mya to dancetoday or do you have to

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_ (29:15):
Yeah.
I.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (29:16):
work because you can't afford an
employee?
Can you go hang out with Nate atthe beach or did you have to
stay back for three days?
'cause you guys can't affordextra help or you can't find it.
These are the discussions weneed to be stacking a na on a
pen head about not making theAngus cow better.
Let

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (29:34):
On a piece of paper.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (29:35):
that out on a piece of paper.
Yes sir.
Yes sir.

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_17 (29:39):
You know, um, my whole takeaway
from, from most of this is thatperception is reality.
And I'm the type of person thatgoes on, you know, Instagram and
certain pages, and I readthrough comment after comment
of, of conversation bet uh,between people that aren't part
of this industry, theirperception of what we are and

(30:02):
what we do.
And, uh, for the most part it'sgood.
For the most part, people arereally excited about eating a
nice tasty steak.
Um, but then there is a, acontingency of people who
believe that this is a problem.
They believe that.
The cow emission of methanewhile they sit in a city and use

(30:23):
an air conditioner and burn gasthrough their car and do all
these things to, to emit 10times the pollution of a cow.
Um,'cause I know I do wannapoint out that whenever I'm
outside at night, I can seestars.
But whenever I go to highlypopulated areas, there's no
stars to be seen.
So I think that that says a lottoo.
But, um, to get back to thepoint, perception is reality.

(30:47):
And I think by taking thismoney, it's almost an admission
of guilt, whether you want it tobe or not.
Um, we all believe in, no, inour hearts that cows are not
part of the problem and for usto have to research it, it, it
is just something that's sodisheartening.
It's something that I didn'tever think I was gonna have to
worry about my own association.

(31:10):
Playing into the narrative thatI, that I hear on, uh, certain
social media pages that cows area problem.
I, I never thought that I wouldhave to be defending myself
against my own association.

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (31:22):
I would agree.
And, you know, instead of doingthis, I mean any, any of the
stuff that they do, really not,not just this meth, EPD dollar
meth, um, instead of coming outwith a new EPD to make it simple

(31:43):
for somebody to be able toevaluate a cow on that piece of
paper, why not teach them, Hey,instead of reading this EPD,
that this cow has bad feet.
walk over here and look at thiscow's feet and evaluate'em and
talk about it.
Instead of reading this EPD thatthis cow's utter, it says she's

(32:06):
in the top 95%.
Let's just go look at the, the,the tets and utter on this cow
and see if, see what we'relooking at.
Because there's a lot of peoplethat breed cows really don't
know these things.
They don't know if a cow's got agood hip.
They don't know if a cow ischunky fronted.

(32:29):
They don't know that the femalethat they're posting on Facebook
that they're bragging aboutlooks like a steer.
And if that's what they like,that's totally fine.
educate the people instead oftrying to make more boxes with
numbers in them.
That's my, that's where I havesuch a pet peeve with all of it.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (32:52):
You know what's amazing is we search
so hard to quantify things thatseem like we don't need to be
quantifying them.
We could allow the breeder todescribe them and quantify them,
but do we ever spend time tryingto quantify.
The human capital element thatwe have as breeders.
Like why not quantify that?

(33:13):
Why not say what is the valuethat these people have in their
communities?
What are the value that thesepeople have in industry?
What is the value of having abreeder that lasts 25, 30 years
instead of the churn of fiveyears in and then out and five
years in and then out?
What does it say?
Uh, I think it's a signal toyoung people that the video game

(33:36):
culture can do it.
I think that's what pushes ustowards, it pushes us hard
towards vertical integration.
I think it pushes us hardtowards a very consistent
nutrient supply to a cow,whether that's through the
planes to a feed yard, you know,these diverse environments.
I don't think most people havebeen out and seen, I don't think

(33:57):
people have seen Lehigh and Limaand people haven't seen Auburn,
California and know how magicalit is that this cow, I mean,
that's what I was talking to mygrass fed guy, and he's been,
uh, on the covers of magazinesand does some incredible,
incredible work of connecting toconsumers that typically would
vote against things that, um, wewould want.

(34:19):
And he starts off his story.
At one point he said, you knowwhat the coolest thing was at
COVID is I looked out.
I could see across the horizonwhere I could never see before,
and there was no jet lines inthe sky.
And it dawned on him, it was allthe smog from China that was
coming over and hitting us thatwe didn't even know what it was

(34:40):
like without it.
We didn't even, it was sonormalized.
And he says to his people, thesuperpower these cows have is to
take some sunlight, some water,and a little bit of soil that
into one most nutrient densefood sources in the world.
Man, let's tell that storybecause the people want it.
You guys paid attention tocarnivore diet.

(35:00):
You could see my jawline.
I've told you about Abby and herhealth.
carnivore diet is gaining a lotof steam across the country and
people are feeling better andthey're doing better.
And we just have so much goodstories to tell.
I don't know why sometimes wejust have to get in our own way.

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (35:21):
Can you do the convo diet with the
fake beef?

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (35:24):
I.

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_1750 (35:25):
I think we better figure the out,
the answer to that because

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (35:28):
I haven't had my lawyer

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_1750 (35:29):
I bet you there's,

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (35:30):
yet, that I came up with this.
I've

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_1750 (35:32):
I bet you are.
Uh.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (35:33):
because I'm like, I'm thinking, well, if
it was Angus soul culture, thenmaybe, I guess, I

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (35:38):
Uh,

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (35:38):
But um,

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_1750 (35:40):
I think our, uh, I think our new
partner is trying to researchthat very thing.

vince_3_06-12-2025_ (35:45):
absolutely.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (35:45):
brings a good segue, Corbin, because I
don't think any other podcastshave delved into, um, this side
as much.
And if I haven't listened tothem, I'm sorry.
We've been so doggone busy.
I'm not even kidding.
And I know you two have too, theone piece we haven't really
unpacked, and I know that peoplewho think they're really
important and people who arereally important listen to this

(36:08):
podcast, whether they admit itor not.
And there have been responses towords we've said through other
media.
I want them to hear us say it sothat later on they can respond.
Why are people, so I've heard itsaid on podcasts, people are
passionate.
No, no.
People are upset.

(36:29):
Why are they upset?

korbin-5000_1_06-12-202 (36:32):
They're Tod is what they are.

vince_3_06-12-2025_1751 (36:34):
they're upset because it's, I don't
think it has, it does have a lotto do with who we got in bed
with, but I think it's as much,I know it is, for me anyway, the
fact that we just keep doingmore and more and more stuff
like that, the membership is,doesn't want, and IJI think

(37:01):
that's a lot of it.
Like they just feel like thesepeople are just taking their
money and they're going anddoing all this stuff that they
don't want, that's not gonnahelp.
And they feel like they've beentaken, they feel like nobody's
really representing them.
Their thoughts'cause there's ahuge disconnect between the

(37:22):
membership and the board.
That's my 2 cents.
What do you think Corbin?

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025 (37:27):
That's exactly how I feel about the
whole situation.
I mean, yeah, it's one thing to,to look back at, step back and
look at what we've actuallydone.
It's another thing to think thatis this even what the membership
would've wanted if you had askedus?
I mean, it's one thing for, forthere to be a handful of people
that are frustrated because thisisn't what they wanted.
I think when you take a stepback, I don't feel like we're in

(37:50):
the minority and, and being alittle upset about this.
I mean, maybe we're just a loudminority, but I just, if there's
this much frustration over thewhole situation, may, why are
we, why did we make the decisionbefore we, we ask for input
from, from people that might beupset.
That's what the information is,just not traveling to the

(38:10):
members the way that it should.
And, and I know they've ownedthat in some of their, their
podcasts and stuff, but I'msorry, you can't just.
To make mistake after and justsay, yeah, we own that.
That was our fault.
You can't just continue to dothat and, and, and maintain the
trust that I don't trust you.
How could you trust?

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (38:27):
frank, I think, uh, a lot of it was a
PR debacle to start with.
Um, PR wasn't handled correctly,but pre preceding that before
that is exactly what Vince hadto say.
It's not knowing yourmembership, understanding your
membership, and applying thelogic that your membership does
of what they want you to focuson and what they don't want you

(38:47):
to focus on.
And, um, I know that we'll getto the solutions portion later
and I'll talk about that alittle bit.
Um, because cited in one of thepodcasts was the long range
strategic plan.
we need to think about a longrange strategic plan a little
bit differently.
Maybe we don't need to be solong in our planning to where
this was, you know, thought upeight months or eight years ago

(39:10):
and this is the rails we're on.
Well, this isn't where thepeople are at right now.
Where the people are at is wedon't want to be doing this.
And I think that was abundantlyclear a host of reasons.
Some people don't think weshould be studying methane.
Some people don't like theperson you're dealing with and
some people don't want moretraits.
There's like 6, 7, 8 differentissues here that of which you

(39:31):
have a differ, a diversity ofthought on all of them.
And to watch navigated and notrepresented in a boardroom, I
think, or it perceives like it'sperceived like it wasn't
represented in the boardroom.
That's where the anger comesfrom.
That's where the blowback comesfrom, is listen, we don't have

(39:52):
to call an email every singletime we have a gripe.
If I'm paying into anorganization, it is not on me to
make sure that, you know myevery thought.
mean, we need to, to reject thatimmediately.
I think that the onus is on theothers to make sure that they're
reaching back to the people whoare funding them.
And we do have some really,really highly paid people who

(40:15):
should ensure that divisionslike this do not occur.
That's my opinion.
I've had, I had one guy call meon fire saying, we ran publicly
traded companies and if thishappened in a publicly traded
company, be a non-starter.
It'd be an absolute, theconsequences would be a lot
different than I, my bad.
Um, and it was followed up by

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_ (40:35):
Yeah, exactly.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (40:36):
up by other PR debacle.
And I think there were otherissues we talked about in the
recent, uh, three years thatwe've been on airwaves of
different topics that werehandled very similarly, where
the membership threw a fit andit was like, well, you know, we
hear you, but at some point ifyou want to improve.
People trusting.
You have to act on what they,they, they feed back to you.

(41:00):
Um, you know, you can't get theoutrage and then, and then say
we're gonna do this or that.
Unless you have really, reallygood reasoning.
And I think that when you applylogic and rationale to all these
different statements andinformation that we've been fed
as a membership of which becomeconflicting, that's when the

(41:21):
membership becomes uneasy.
That's step one.
And that's one camp.
Do you guys have something toadd on that?
Because I'm gonna keep going ifyou don't.

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_17 (41:29):
No, I think.
I think we're ready.
We're ready to step to it.

vince_3_06-12-2025_175 (41:33):
wouldn't you, wouldn't you like them?
And now granted, you and I bothjust admitted that we do not
check our emails, right?
Like we should.

korbin-5000_1_06-12-202 (41:47):
Mm-hmm.

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (41:47):
But wouldn't you like, uh, to do a
questionnaire or a survey thatsaid, you know, we're thinking
about doing this methane deal.
Um, what do you guys think aboutit?
Take the temperature of the, theroom.
You know what I'm saying?
Um.

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_1 (42:05):
That would make sense

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (42:06):
it wouldn't make

korbin-5000_1_06-12-20 (42:07):
instead.

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (42:08):
Now, I, I mean, they do surveys.
I did a survey the other night,uh,'cause when we were digging
and looking and they wanted toknow, uh, how many days a year I
feed, uh, do I feed

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_1 (42:19):
Yep.

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (42:20):
do I feed silage?
Do I grow my own feed?
Do I, uh, rotational grays?
So they have, they have thecapabilities of doing a survey,
um, because they did that one.
Now I don't need to weigh in on,hey, we're thinking about

(42:41):
getting Angus ink pens, or a newletterhead or some Angus
conversation mugs, or whateverit might be.
I don't need to weigh in on thatstuff, but this kind of stuff
that's gonna, uh, affect mypocketbook, that's a big deal.
Like this, this methane deal isa big deal.

(43:01):
Uh, I do think they should maybelet their membership weigh in on
some of that.

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_1750 (43:06):
I had like to take that even a
little bit further because Idon't think, I don't think it's,
I don't think it's really, oh,you should, you should look out
and, and try to get your, yourmemberships input.
I think it was intentionallyhidden.
I mean, if we go back and lookat the headline on their, on
their original post, there'snothing in there.
It doesn't even say the wordmethane.
So, um, it's not that theydidn't want to hear us or it's

(43:27):
not that they put something outthere and they're sorry that,
that they weren't clear.
It was intentional.
And I think we're kind ofglancing over that like.
They literally did this right infront of our face, hid it on
purpose, and now we're supposedto, you know, believe it.
It used, it was just this big PRdebacle.
No, it was very, verycalculated.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (43:49):
I would say that if you, again, apply
logic and rationale, it's hardto get all the dots to line up
here.
That's what's frustrating to themembership and that's why
they're mad.
That's all the first piecethough, gentlemen.
And that was the piece I was atbefore I even knew

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_175 (44:02):
I.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155 (44:03):
Foundation or the Methane Hub.
then you get to other people whospend time reading and
researching and are moreinvolved in this space that I am
and I start poking around andthere's a lot of people who are
over the top.
Um, and I think justifiably soabout the funder that we chose

(44:23):
because now you've divided intocamps where that I don't trust
the funder who would spinrhetoric differently.
Is it this way?
Is it that way?
Um, this is a person who hasinvested heavily in fake meat.
Um, this is a person who hasinvested in a vaccine for
improving methane emissions incattle.
Um, there's some members thatare saying, if we valued this

(44:47):
study and, and I've, I'm notgonna pirate this.
I didn't say this, um, but Ilike it if it was this value to
valuable to us to study cowherdefficiency.
And it happens that methane wasthe metric of how you measure
that, put it to the membershipand say, this is really, really

(45:07):
important and we need to fundthis.
And you either get it funded inthe snap of fingers.
I got news for you guys, 4.85million, a lot of money.

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_1 (45:18):
Note the annual revenue of American
Inga Association, which welooked up also the other night
is 50 million

vince_3_06-12-2025_1751 (45:23):
million

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_17 (45:25):
and $50 million a year.

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (45:27):
a

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_1 (45:28):
Yes.
Yes.
And$4.85 billion.
What's that to Jeff Bezos?

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (45:33):
if you bring

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (45:34):
He.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (45:34):
along, because the survey that came out
had like 3,500 members, and soimmediately the response is we
have 28,000 Angus members.
It wasn't that many people evenresponding if you bring all
those 28,000, if they areactive, which I don't think they
are, I think there's a lot lessthan that.
But if you bring all thosepeople along, you don't have to

(45:55):
get much money outta all of themto fund studies that they would
prioritize.
know lots of people that would,I would write a check for
something that I believed in,that I would prefer my breed
association own and house thantaking the money from someone
else.
And, and I've heard it said thatwe'll own all this and on and
on, but I just, um, then Iquestion, what was the gift

(46:17):
about and why the gift.
The gift.

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_ (46:21):
Yeah, it's.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (46:22):
And, and I don't want to go
conspiracy theory on here, guys,like that's not what I'm saying.
I'm just saying gimme somethinglogical.
Like, I guess this guy's justreally, really charitable, gave
some money to us.

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (46:33):
No.

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_17 (46:34):
And then, and then it's, it's also
frustrating that, that it was,it was said in the, in the
podcast they had that theywanted to, they did this because
they wanted to control thenarrative.
It, that's the exact opposite ofwhat, so there was a lot of
things that they say that'slike, well, that's the exact
opposite of what your actionsare.
I mean yeah, you're, you're justtrying to spin it now.
But for you to sit there andsay, we want to control the

(46:55):
narrative, and then you takemoney from the fake meat,
whatever, whatever.
He is the Godfather.
Um, it's a bad look.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (47:03):
just became the, the biggest
influencer of cattle breeding inthe world.

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (47:09):
And he don't even own a cow.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (47:12):
Never caved one cold, one, nothing.
I.

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (47:14):
owns.
He owns fake cows, fake meat.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (47:17):
um, and again,

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_17 (47:18):
All he did was, uh, write a check
for one.

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (47:22):
What.

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_1 (47:23):
Did, did, did we have bad service?
Did one of us bad service there?

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (47:28):
wrote a check for what?
Corbin

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_17 (47:30):
Oh, he wrote a check for one 150th
of his, I mean, it's no money tohim.
I mean,$4 million to Jeff Bezosis a drop in a hat, and, and it,
it's all it took for him tocontrol an entire narrative.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (47:43):
Yeah.
And, and I think you can digaround.
I would encourage people, digaround, find out more.
I would encourage the, theboard, um, actually if you
listen to dig around and learnmore about, um, this foundation
and this hub and, uh, maybe

vince_3_06-12-2025_1751 (47:58):
They've done that.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (47:59):
maybe this isn't really what they are,
but they're saying they are thatthrough their multimedia
correspondence and through theirwebpage and things.
we covered the first two reasonswhy people are mad.
The third one I wanted to touchon is Uncertainty is another
reason.
We all work really, really hardto try to control all aspects of

(48:22):
our business and manage risk.
when we feel like a big, bigrisk that was dropped on us that
we didn't really feel like weasked for, that makes me nervous
for my customer base.
My business is gonna be fine.
I'll figure it out.
I could pivot.
Um, I'm, I'm worried about thefuture for my kids all the time.
That's why I donate hours and Itry to build a positive story

(48:45):
about the benefits of beefproduction.
Um, but my customers, and that'shonestly guys, if we, if
anyone's critical of us being alittle bit quiet or a little bit
subdued online, specifically meis because want this brand to
be, I.
Have huge ramifications thattrickles down to the commercial

(49:06):
cattlemen.
It's gonna be heartbreaking forme if I can't sell commercial
wolves.
And I've had some people saythat actually to be absolutely a
hundred percent honest.
And that's their right, andthat's how they will speak their
opinion is through, uh, how theyspend their dollars.
But I just hope there's noramifications for them at the
meet case.
That's what I hope.

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_ (49:25):
Well, and think, and think of this
too, like in Vince's point ofview, if he's selling females
and, um, there's a world whereVince doesn't sell an animal
because of, of her methane, um,because of, of what that number
says later on.
So, I mean, yeah, it's, it'ssomething that we have no
control over.
And that, that you're, you'rethinking about cutting my cow

(49:46):
herd in half or, or puttingsomething, maybe adding value to
something that's of less valueto me, um, just based on some
research that you're gonna do.
I, I, I just didn't sign off onthat.
I don't, is the risk worth it?
I mean, what's the point?

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (50:04):
Well, and I guess that's the position
I had is that if you don't dothis, what kind of position does
it put you in?
And then if you do do this, whatkind of position does it put you
in?
And I

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_175 (50:15):
I.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (50:15):
the arti, they would, it would get
articulated that 20 years fromnow, we want to have an Angus
breed.
And I prefer saying 20 yearsfrom now, I want Angus breeders
to still be in business.
individual breeders, theindividual people.
uh, I did not say do comma, doyou just put on the text that

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_1 (50:38):
They do

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (50:40):
Why do I do that?

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_1 (50:41):
what they do.
Do.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (50:42):
those out?

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_17 (50:43):
Why do you do do that?

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (50:44):
Now she's gonna have to edit all

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_1 (50:46):
What would you,

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (50:47):
But anyways, Vince said, uh, Vince
goes, or, or Corbin saidsomething about Vince's cattle
and how he sells'em in themethane EPD and things like
that.
And Vince was shaking his headyes.
I told you guys one of thebiggest threats other than
development for access to landfor me out here

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (51:02):
me.
Oh, good.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (51:05):
know,

korbin-5000_1_06-12-202 (51:06):
mm-hmm.

joe_1_06-12-2025_1550 (51:07):
livestock gentlemen?

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (51:09):
my

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_17 (51:09):
Oh, yes.
Yes.
I.

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (51:11):
wait.
What was, what was her name?
What was that?
Uh,

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (51:15):
Jane, yes.

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (51:16):
that?
What was that cow's

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_17 (51:18):
Oh, Jane, and what was her cow's
name?

joe_1_06-12-2025_1550 (51:20):
Sundance, lone Star, um, broccoli,
Sundance, lone Star, Corbin.
You should remember their names.
I send them

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (51:28):
What was the one that

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_17 (51:30):
You know, they, uh, it, do you know,
I hope Jane's, I hope Jane, Ihope Jane got rid of those.
Because, because this wholestudy, um, puts in jeopardy the,
the, the very premise of, ofrecreational cattle

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (51:45):
Corbin, think about it

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_1 (51:46):
puts it in.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (51:46):
mean, if they don't have a methane
EPD, then they don't have one.
They don't em admit

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (51:51):
It's true,

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (51:52):
they don't

vince_3_06-12-2025_17513 (51:52):
that's true.
They don't have an EPD for it.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (51:55):
thing.

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_1 (51:56):
And, and then I, my big, I do have a
big fear, although I do, it'snot a big fear, but this is a
statement that I'm just tryingto say.
What are you hoping to gain?
Basically?
Like, okay, let's say.
We go through all these studiesand we figure out that cows are
the worst thing for theenvironment.
They aren't.
Okay.
That might be the narrativethat's spun, but I'm just gonna
sit here and tell you that it,it's the stupidest narrative in

(52:18):
the world.
Um, but let's just say forargument's sake that that's what
they find and that these cowsare a huge problem.
What puts beef in general injeopardy, does it not?

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (52:28):
one.

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_17 (52:29):
Why do we need to do that?

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (52:30):
you.
They keep talking about, I'veheard it said we need to produce
more with less land, more withless land, more with less land.
What if we actually got home,uh, like home ownership in the
cities prioritized to go upinstead of out with their
building.
What if we actually put our feetdown

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_ (52:45):
Yeah.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (52:46):
or conserved?
Some open space gave ranchersenough gross margin, um, that
ranchers could through themarket.
Of course, could stay inbusiness and not convert to
houses.
There were generational farms.
Again, now I'm not going tosubmit to the battle that there
will be less ca less land to runcattle on.

(53:07):
I think there's opportunities, Ithink there's more land
available all the time.
If we could get it away from thewild horses and the wolves and
all these things that aregetting introduced that keep cra
they keep whittling away at theaccess to land that we have and
all we did is add anotherselection tool on top of it.
So recreational livestock, wildhorses.
I mean, we could go on and on.

(53:28):
And I haven't been necessarilyinterested in diving into those
trenches because I think, again,like I said on the last podcast,
this is America.
come on.
Do you really think that Goddesigned a planet that doesn't
take care of itself?
We aren't, we aren't spreadingsynthetic, made, uh, toxins on
the soil.
This is a regenerative processthat works together when these

(53:51):
cattle are on grass.

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_17 (53:53):
And that should be the point of view
of every single breeder of cowsin the entire world.
There should be no narrativethat says, Hey, we have a
problem.
You should not put yourself inthat situation.

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (54:05):
some might say that God did create
the Earth and all the animals onit that we're having a problem,
and then he created Jeff Bezosto let us know they were a
problem.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (54:20):
it.
That's it.

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025 (54:22):
That's it.
You figured it out.
Um,

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (54:24):
be the,

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (54:26):
The methane hub, they created
everybody in the methane hub totell us that they're a problem.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (54:32):
Are they gonna put that after

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_ (54:33):
well, think, think how,

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (54:35):
gonna put that after Revelation?

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (54:37):
I think it was in the Old
Testament.

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_17 (54:40):
you know, it's,

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (54:40):
It was in

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_1 (54:41):
it's frustrating that, that, you
know,

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (54:43):
day or something.

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_1 (54:45):
look it up.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (54:46):
check that fact.
Check

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_1 (54:47):
Look it up.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (54:48):
GBT.
Oh, boys.
Do we need to get to somesolutions?

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (54:53):
Yes.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (54:54):
round table some solutions.
Um, Vince, throw one out andI'll cross off my list.
I, I kind of kept a list fromlast night, but I think there's
plenty what we are saying aboutsolutions.
It is so easy to identifyproblems.
Most of the time people don'toffer solutions.

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (55:10):
Um, I.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (55:12):
we've thought through.
Go Vince.

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (55:14):
I, here's the problem.
I scribbled'em out as I wassaying them other night.

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_17 (55:20):
You must have scrolled really good.
So now you can't see.

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (55:23):
like, so, okay.
One thing I do think, the boardneeds to be a little more
diverse.
So we can be playing devil'sadvocate.
We can bring up this and that,and they say they do.
So maybe they do, maybe theboard is way more diverse than I
think they are.
I find it hard to believe, butthat would, I, I've never sat

(55:46):
through a board meeting, so, youknow, the, I don't know.
But I do think a diverse boardwould solve some problems.
Um, I don't think that I, I cansee where there might be some
pressure in the boardroom to,um, The same way, just because

(56:11):
maybe somebody don't wanna beembarrassed or somebody don't
wanna look bad or whatever itmight be.
Um, in, in this situation, atthat level, I don't think that
can happen.
Like it doesn't need to happen.
Um, if there's something big andmajor like this, there needs to
be opposition.

(56:32):
Uh, there needs to be a lot ofdevil's advocate played, what's
gonna happen if they do this orwhat's gonna happen if they do
that?
And maybe that happened.
I don't know.
They say it happened, maybe theydid.
But when you have a unanimousdecision, it's hard to believe
that that happened.
Um, some things too, I thinkcould help with the membership

(56:55):
be, um, look, post this stuff,um, all the, all the,

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_ (57:02):
Don't hide it.

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (57:03):
and, and, and all the, the.
People at the Capitol, everytime they vote, it's posted.
Who voted for what?
Why?
Why are these 17 people?
I mean, we're not buildingrockets.
We're not making bombs.
We're talking about Anguscattle.
Um, why not post that?
Another thing is I think theyshould do away with delegates.

(57:24):
Everybody can vote.
Now.
Everybody had to log in onlineto freaking vote for a delegate.
why not just let'em vote for thewhole shabazz?
Why do we gotta have thedelegates?

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_17 (57:36):
And it doesn't even need to be a
complicated process.
I mean, you go on your login,there's a list of things to vote
on, and as a member you makethat voting decision.
I think put the power into thepeople and, and quit trying to
control the narrative.
Might might help.

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (57:51):
Also, I don't know.
Look, I, I can raise hell withthe best of them about a issue
like this deal.
Um.
I do think at some point it getscounterproductive.
I do think at some point

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (58:09):
It

korbin-5000_1_06-12 (58:09):
Absolutely.

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (58:11):
look, this is what's happened.
Okay, it's already happened.
Now let's try to fix it.
Let's come up with some goodsolutions.
Let's come up with whatever.
but to, to sit and just be theloud mouth in the corner, which
I can be, um, that's, that'scounter.

(58:33):
It gets to be counterproductive.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (58:35):
Well, and unfortunately some of the
people who are carrying this,um, and, and if, if you think
I'm talking about you, I'mprobably not.
Um, they kind of are, some ofthem are always upset about
everything no matter whathappens.
And,

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (58:51):
Yes,

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (58:52):
be careful that that's not
discrediting the message of somepeople who have really put a lot
of time and effort into thinkingabout this and been

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (58:59):
yes.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (59:00):
And, um, you know, I, I am very
hopeful.
I'm prayerful in fact that thisboard.
We'll be more concerned aboutthe concerns of the, we'll, what
we'll call the opposition thanthe individuals within the
opposition.
Look at what these people aresaying.

(59:21):
Look at the content of whatthey're saying.
Look at those real concerns andcome up with a plan to address
them.
And

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_1 (59:30):
What about the, uh, what about the
people that say, give the moneyback

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (59:36):
That would be fantastic.

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_175 (59:37):
as a solution?

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (59:39):
I heard an innovative,

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_175 (59:40):
it a, is it a real solution?

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (59:42):
the other day that involved us just
saying, we've identified as astudy.
We've seen how the messaging hasgone away.
We hadn't intended.
So we are going to raise thefunds privately to do this
ourselves, we don't need itanymore.
Now can you give it back?
I don't know the answer to that,guys.
I really don't, I really don't.

(01:00:04):
I would've, I would've liked tohave seen an environment, I
think we have this, we've, we'veallocated the resources to have
the staff in place to have anenvironment in which we were all
cheering this on because wethought it was as impactful as
the board of directors.
Um, so either it's not, theydidn't do a good job of making

(01:00:27):
sure that the membership fullyunderstood the subject matter.
Um, and I just, uh, I think Isaid this on the last one.
There is so much wisdom in beinga board member and saying, I
might not have all the answers,but I know the answers are in
the membership.
The answers lie in themembership, and there is so much

(01:00:48):
wisdom and time.
another red flag about this onefor me, is I've heard it said
publicly that, you know, thiswas kind of a quick deal.
Like some things lined up andsome things happened.

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_1 (01:00:59):
but.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (01:01:00):
If you give some time and allow things
to mature, it reveals, you knowwhat, we better just sit this
one out.
Right?

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_175 (01:01:07):
In the, uh, I can't remember if it
was in the podcast or, or one ofthe articles.
It does, it does.
They do mention that they'vebeen working on this since
November.
So the narrative that says it'stime is, is not, no.
Mm-hmm.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (01:01:22):
not,

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_1 (01:01:22):
it's been hidden on purpose.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (01:01:24):
not make it publicly known and then
say, where the hell were youback when we did this?
That's not fair.

vince_3_06-12-2025_17513 (01:01:28):
Right,

joe_1_06-12-2025_ (01:01:29):
disingenuous, frankly.

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_175 (01:01:32):
If you've been working on this
since November, this isn't somegrant that they just reached out
to you and gave you 24 hours tosay, check yes or no.
And yes, we applied for it andwe, we worked together with
them.
We worked together with themethane people to even get it
all finalized.
And, and apparently, uh, andlistening to today's podcast,

(01:01:52):
there was no question that the,they, they didn't even have to
sort through anything afterthey, they wrote the contracts
out.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (01:01:58):
because most members, including myself,
have really dug through a lot ofthis and still have the same
position, or like, I

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (01:02:05):
I,

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (01:02:05):
seen a compelling reason why we need to
be doing this,

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (01:02:08):
I mean, do you ha do you, am I the
only one that thinks they'regiving us this money?
And then we don't have to do,uh, we don't have to show'em any
of the results what was said.
I feel that like, that's reallyodd.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (01:02:27):
well, I would be asking what did

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_ (01:02:29):
Yeah.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (01:02:29):
then?

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (01:02:30):
Yeah, I, I mean, do, do you not think
that's odd, that, Hey, I'm gonnahand you almost$5 million to do
this research and you don't everhave to show it to us.
You don't have to show usresearch.
You don't have to show us proofthat you even did it.
Um, we're not gonna get any ofthe results.
You keep all the results.

(01:02:50):
I just think that's odd,

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (01:02:52):
I, I think that's what people are
saying is, is we're, we'regetting put in a position where
we're having to question things.
And you apply trust if you don'tquestion things.
And when you start questioning,like, this doesn't make sense.
I've not seen this before, thisdoesn't make sense, but we need
to keep moving through thesesolutions.
Like Vince said, the first one,I think really widening that
sphere of influence and, andconnecting back with members,

(01:03:15):
figuring out how to empowermembers and make sure that their
voices are heard throughout theboardroom.
If you bring them along, youhave a bunch of cheerleaders and
you don't have a bunch ofdissension, or you

vince_3_06-12-2025_17513 (01:03:24):
right?

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (01:03:24):
out how to avoid the landmines along the
way.
Um, I think if you'd have done alittle bit of workshop and on
this one, you'd found outthere's way too many landmines
to play in this space, unless weown every aspect of it.
Um.
I think it calls into questionsome organizational structure
stuff is our governing, um,body, the way it is relevant

(01:03:46):
with the speed at which we dobusiness and the diversity of
the membership.
Now, I don't know when ourbylaws and formation and charter
was, but it was when, uh, wewere in a lot different places,
Angus breeders.
So I, I would like to, I wouldlike to have that reevaluated at
least.
Um, I, it goes down this roadand this horse is out the barn,

(01:04:07):
down the alley, I do not want amethane EPD on my cattle.

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (01:04:12):
I don't either.
I

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_1750 (01:04:14):
I don't either.

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (01:04:14):
I think it could, could they
possibly make it optional thatit's on the paper?

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (01:04:22):
Well, but

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (01:04:22):
I haven't talked to the first
person that wants it on theirpaper.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (01:04:25):
I haven't either.
And I also then worry aboutpeople saying, well, if Joe
doesn't want it, he just leaveit blank.
And I want mine.
I, I haven't talked to peoplewho've said that, but.
think that that is disingenuousas a contributor to the
database.
Um, you know, I, I would have asay on the entire population and
how they're represented as well.
And I think to, to have Vincenot show his and someone else

(01:04:47):
show his people are gonna makeinferences on that too.
And so I would like to see itall, um, not there.
And,

vince_3_06-12-2025_17513 (01:04:55):
Right.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (01:04:55):
if that horse is down the, out, out the
barn, down the alley, like Isaid, if it is, I would like to
see that.
And here's the biggest one forme, um, besides, I guess, I
guess membership engagement isprobably the biggest, the second
bigness biggest is we need tosee some policy on who we align
with and who we take money with.

(01:05:17):
is the litmus test of thisperson is okay with our
membership?
This one isn't because now Istart asking, I've had people
ask me questions, are you gonnasee a Angus logo next to a this
logo and that logo?
I don't know.
And already had this, uh, we hadthis a couple years ago when,
um, CAB did a couplepartnerships or alliances with

(01:05:37):
some other people that peopleweren't happy about.
I had a guy, a big player in theprotein industry, not a big
player in the cattle industry.
Well, he is a big player in thecattle industry, but not loud.
Um, but a big player in theprotein industry said McDonald's
is in the business, is sellingprotein, protein, loves our
business.
There's partnershipopportunities.

(01:05:58):
I don't know, I haven't vet thatout, but I think the affiliation
with someone who is seen as athreat to your way of life,
uncertainty and angst in themembership.

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (01:06:09):
I would agree.

korbin-5000_1_06-12 (01:06:10):
Absolutely,

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (01:06:11):
be one of those

korbin-5000_1_06-12 (01:06:11):
absolutely.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (01:06:14):
It is funny.
I had a guy tell me, what aboutCharles Manson?
He wanted to give you$5 million.
You take it everybody's

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (01:06:19):
Well,

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (01:06:20):
on that spectrum.
That's why you

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (01:06:21):
yeah.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (01:06:22):
that says, this is how we test that.
And I didn't mention this, did Imention the, uh, update, the
long range strategic plan.
I think that that needs to bedone.
I think we need to reopen it up,look at it and see if it's
relevant to the membership andit fits their wishes.
And members need to have anopportunity for input.
That's not a survey that'smailed, that's not a, a computer

(01:06:45):
generated survey.
It's actual eyeball and FaceTimewith people in rooms
Workshopping this with actualmembers of the association.

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_175 (01:06:56):
Am I the only one that's not really
satisfied with, with.
Um, the narrative that we shouldjust call our rep, our, uh, our
board members, because that's anon-documented conversation in
which nothing gets solved.
All it is, is, yeah, you canvoice your concerns, uh, reach
out to your board members, butyou know, it's just not enough.

(01:07:16):
It's not sufficient,

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (01:07:17):
will say this in their defense, I
know that they have done someZoom meetings with some people.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (01:07:25):
Oh,

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (01:07:26):
Um.
I know, I know for a factMcCulley and JP were on one last
night with some guys inMississippi, so that's, that is
helpful and I commend them fordoing it.
The problem is, I don't thinkthat they could do that with
every freaking body.
You know, how many of thosethings

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_17 (01:07:47):
and they shouldn't have to.
That's why we need better waysto communicate with them.

vince_3_06-12-2025_175 (01:07:51):
correct.
And

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_175 (01:07:53):
It shouldn't even be a thing.
Call your board membersshouldn't.
Yeah.
That should be a thing, but weshould be able to voice concerns
in other ways that are actuallygoing to be documented and heard
and not sending a letter.

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (01:08:02):
a lot of people say, do it, send an
email and you have to email theentire board.
So one person can't sell.
I never got that email orwhatever.
Um, there's a bit of a papertrail, but, and I mean, golly,
let's, let's just be honest.
These guys have been on thephone.
Probably more than we've been

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_ (01:08:23):
mean, for sure.

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (01:08:25):
and I, I'm sick of talking about it
and I'm not even a board member.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (01:08:30):
I am

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (01:08:30):
I can.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (01:08:31):
about

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_1 (01:08:31):
Yep.

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (01:08:32):
Me too.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (01:08:33):
but something of this big just
consumes every bit of you.

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (01:08:36):
Yes.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (01:08:37):
mean,

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (01:08:37):
Yes.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (01:08:38):
it matters that much.
And that's what I was asking.
A, a guy asked me, he goes, wereyou mad when he said passionate?
And I said, no, I wasn't mad.
I was just like, is, is, what isit?
Um, it's.
We mentioned this several times,every bit of equity I own my
retirement plan has a black hidein a rumen.

vince_3_06-12-2025_17513 (01:09:00):
Right.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (01:09:00):
a salary Zero fact is some of
those salaries, if you took like10% of them and added them to my
business, it would be lifechanging for me.
Life changing.
And so

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_175 (01:09:14):
Oh yeah.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (01:09:15):
I think, um, think there's another
one too.
I think you can use.
We just redid our whole website,spent a whole bunch of money
doing that.
There's gotta be a way formember login to create some real
time polling mechanism that youcould put out a, you could put
out on your podcast members forthe next 30 days.
Send it out to your board.
Uh, do a contest.

(01:09:35):
I don't care.
But say, how many of you wouldattend a virtual meeting in this
region?
Click, click, click, click,click.
And then you have

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (01:09:43):
Hey, they've done that.
They've done that before.
Yeah.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (01:09:46):
Yes.
Why aren't we not doing them?
I said, do'em yesterday.
The structure of them needs tobe simple.
I've said this to, I'm blue inthe face.
The staff who is running'emneeds to leave their PowerPoint
advancer at home, and you leavetheir microphone at home.
Unless, of course they're askeda question and they need to
spend time just listening to themembers and what the members
want, you know, just listen tothe members, because I think you

(01:10:08):
would find out what Angusbreeders want and what cattle
producers want and need arefairly simple things can handle.
The rest, they know theircustomer better than anybody.
They know their endpoint betterthan anybody, maybe they will
ask for some tools.
Maybe they ask for a tool likethis one, but at least they
would've been behind it from thejump rather than tear apart

(01:10:31):
everything we've all worked for.

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (01:10:34):
And I, and I wanna,

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_175 (01:10:35):
So is that the last of our,

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (01:10:37):
well,

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025 (01:10:37):
ahead, Vince.

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (01:10:38):
say a couple more things.
So, one thing I would like tosay is I've talked to a lot of
people that are just, they'reready to join the Cemental
Association and burn all theirpaper or convert all their
papers there.
I've talked to some guys that'sjust gonna burn their papers and
make'em commercial.
I, I mean, there's people thatare ready and, and commercial

(01:10:59):
guys that are not having anyAngus bulls now, blah, blah,
blah.
There's people, I'm not sayingthey're overreacting, I'm just
saying a beat.
Take a minute, get a breath, seehow all this is gonna shake out.
None of it's gonna happentomorrow.
Let it all unfold.
if you still feel that way whenit's all said and done, then do

(01:11:23):
it.
But don't, I mean it's just likethe, I said this other night
when we recorded, it's just likethe genetic defect deal.
There were people hauling theirwhole herds of cows to the
stockyard and didn't even testthem.
I mean, it was crazy.
So just don't overreact, justcalm down.
See how it's gonna unfold.
Those cows are still the samecows they were last week.

(01:11:46):
When they get their dollar meth,EPD, they'll be the same cows
they were before they createddollar math.
And thing I'd like to say is,you know, we've complained a lot
about these board members whoare supposed to be representing
us.
And I, I'm with you.

(01:12:07):
I do feel that they probablydidn't represent us.
Like we would've hoped to havebeen represented, but I also
wouldn't want to be a boardmember.
Um, I, right.
I've been on, uh, the Tennesseeboard.
It was not difficult at all.
I could not imagine some of thestuff these boards talk about

(01:12:30):
and be sitting there and havingto discuss this stuff and meet
and take all the time that ittakes away from their families,
away from their jobs to do it.
So while I'm not happy aboutsome of the stuff that they do,
my hat is off to'em to an extentfor doing the job.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (01:12:49):
hard job.
But, um, one thing that I wouldoffer them,

korbin-5000_1_06-12- (01:12:52):
Especially if you.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (01:12:53):
offer them as, uh, a little bit of
consulting on these hard, hard,hard topics.
they're that hard, it's okay tosit some of them out.
It's okay.
It's okay to not feel like youhave to do great things all the
time.
I think some, some people feellike look for a CAB moment.

(01:13:14):
This big CAB moment is this ourCAB moment and maybe we just
need to worry about gettingthrough today so we can get to
tomorrow.
I.
And, um, Vince on the lastpodcast, and I know that we
didn't cover, we missed somethings.
Um, the last one was almost twohours long, but you mentioned
some unfortunate news thatreally, really frustrated all

(01:13:35):
three of us, if true, about aboard member's, family members,
um,

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (01:13:41):
Oh,

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (01:13:41):
sort of threats and crap.

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (01:13:43):
I, I don't know what kind of threats
or anything like that, but I, I,a couple people, uh, that have
made mention that, you know,they're, they're getting chewed
out.
They're as they should.
If the person, they reallyshouldn't, they should be having
a civil conversation.

(01:14:05):
And if you feel like I guessthat, that you're getting talked
down to, then maybe you getfired up and chew'em out.
But it, it was commented thatthere was some, maybe some stuff
said to some of their families,I don't know if it was their
kids or their wife or what, butguys leave their families out of

(01:14:27):
it.
I mean, come on,

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (01:14:29):
It

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (01:14:29):
if you have a Yes, absolutely.
Absolutely.

korbin-5000_1_06-12 (01:14:34):
Absolutely.

vince_3_06-12-2025_1751 (01:14:35):
Corbin, you were gonna say something a
minute ago.

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_1750 (01:14:38):
I can't exactly remember what I
was gonna say, but there is onemore point that I wanted to
make.
Um, Vince, you just toldeveryone to calm down and, um, I
don't know if what I'm about tosay is gonna really help that
situation, but if you're, ifyou're standing on the edge, you
might just jump, but, um, braceyourselves because this isn't
going away.
Brace yourselves.

(01:14:58):
Everything that they're sayingthey're gonna do, they're gonna
do.
Um, we're not talking'em off theledge.
Nothing's changing.
You can complain all you wantto.
It doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter what we say.
It doesn't matter what we do.
The decisions made, sorry.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (01:15:12):
about my why on the next one.
We were supposed to talk aboutit here.
Why we do this, why we're evenon these podcasts, because we
don't wanna be famous.
We don't want to be yourmouthpiece.
we just like the diversity ofour thought in our regions, and
we can share some things thathopefully aren't always said in
the mainstream by people.
And, um, but go ahead and reachout to us.

(01:15:35):
Keep reaching out to us.
I really, I take a lot of, um,joy in the fact that many people
felt comfortable to gimme a calland say, what do you think about
this?
What do you think are, or, youknow, and, and I felt a great
responsibility to make sure tolet those people kind of talk it
out.
And not take sides and tell themwhat I know and then they would

(01:15:57):
ultimately get to, yeah, but Itrust you.
What do you think of this?
And um, it's, it's a delicateline to walk because I know you
all have a lot of money and timeand family invested in all these
things.
And we wanna make sure that itstill has value for people.
And I think it does.
She's still the same Angus cow.

(01:16:17):
Uh,

vince_3_06-12-2025_ (01:16:18):
Absolutely.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (01:16:18):
and for anybody that thinks that this
EPD thing, we need to keeppressing it when it comes to, to
members, that cow that's in thebottom 5% growth or dollar am or
dollar B or dollar meth, she'sAngus too.
And when you talk about thediversity of challenges we're

(01:16:40):
going to face in this world inthe next 20 years, don't you
guys think we're gonna need allthe Angus genes available?
We don't need to keep narrowingthis deal up to fewer and fewer
impactful populations of cattle.
We need'em all.
We need, we need some of theseguys that don't breed to any AI
cires from all over the country.

(01:17:00):
Um, we need some people that getbranded as, as kind of out there
loonies and people who, who areright on the cutting edge.
We need all of those genetics,and more importantly, we need
all of those breeders to stayrelevant.
And I hope, I really, reallyhope this board takes some time
and a position of humility toreally put that at the center of

(01:17:22):
their thought process as, asopposed to what can we do to
help them, like get to know'em.

vince_3_06-12-2025_175131 (01:17:30):
Well, is that all we got?

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (01:17:33):
That's all I got.

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_ (01:17:35):
Yeah.
I hope, hopefully, uh, we justsolved all the world's problems.

vince_3_06-12-2025_17513 (01:17:40):
That's awesome.

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_1750 (01:17:40):
I don't think we,

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (01:17:41):
We didn't quite get to two hours,

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_ (01:17:43):
think we've,

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (01:17:44):
there, so we

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_ (01:17:47):
yeah,

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (01:17:48):
off this deal, didn't we?
Vince

vince_3_06-12-2025_1751 (01:17:50):
Tumor's out

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (01:17:51):
tumor's

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_1 (01:17:52):
He's done.

joe_1_06-12-2025_155049 (01:17:52):
to someone

korbin-5000_1_06-12-2025_1 (01:17:53):
He's done.
Take it away, bloomer.
We will see you next time aroundthe shoot.

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