Interview with AAA Board Candidate Brian Palmer

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This episode covers an informal discussion among members of the Angus community, focusing on Brian Palmer's candidacy for the Angus Association board. The conversation includes topics around the challenges and experiences of farming, the significance of transparency and diversity of thought in the boardroom, and the importance of maintaining strong relationships with commercial cattlemen. Palmer also discusses his background in corporate America and his vision for reprioritizing the association's focus on member needs and profitability.

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audioVinceSantini3195901595 (00:00):
I'm supposed to be in the field.

(00:01):
Nate's mad at me.

audioKorbin11959015959 (00:03):
So, um, so what have y'all been doing
welcome to around the shoot?

audioJoeFischer4195901595 (00:08):
Well, Vince just said he left.
Nate, I wanna find out aboutthis.

audioKorbin11959015959 (00:11):
Where did you leave him?

audioVinceSantini31959015 (00:12):
we're still combining and he's in the
combine and I came home to tryto get this going and

audioKorbin11959015959 (00:17):
So he, like, he loads

audioVinceSantini3195 (00:19):
failures.
So he is just by himself?

audioKorbin11959015959 (00:22):
he just goes by

audioVinceSantini31959015959 (00:23):
He is okay.
He can do it.
I did it by myself for a longtime.
So

audioKorbin11959015959 (00:26):
Is it, is it hot?

audioVinceSantini31959015 (00:29):
here.

audioKorbin11959015959 (00:30):
Yeah,

audioVinceSantini319590159 (00:30):
It's

audioKorbin11959015959 (00:32):
I was just wondering if the air
conditioner and the, and allyour stuff works really

audioVinceSantini3195901595 (00:35):
The generally, the combine usually
does, but I think it's got asensor that's messing up because
it'll work really good for awhile and then it, and then it
won't.
It's been checked out a coupletimes, but he ain't got it fixed
yet.

audioKorbin11959015959 (00:46):
I feel like, so, so air conditioners
and equipment like that is so,they're so finicky.
There seem to be, they seem tohave problems way more often
than.

audioVinceSantini319590159 (00:55):
That combine would freeze you out
before my sprayer will freezeyou out.
It, it

audioKorbin11959015959 (01:00):
like when you don't have, when you
don't have an air conditionerand a tractor, you can't get
away from the heat.
I, it's, even if it's 65 degreesoutside, you've got the air
conditioner on an tractor or, Imean, I don't, I just got the
vents open, but you could standto have the air conditioner on
even when it's not even reallywarm outside.
So I, the reason I'm telling allthis is I don't have an air

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conditioner on my, uh, tractor.
And to like grade the road anddo all that stuff.
In the summertime, it's like,can we just drive down a, a road
that's kind of wash boardingbecause it's really hot in
there.

audioVinceSantini31959015959 (01:36):
If it's a glass, if it's a cab
tractor, it's like sitting in aoven.

audioKorbin11959015959 (01:40):
It is crazy.
And then even if the air works,it's just like, it can't keep

audioVinceSantini3195901595 (01:45):
lot of'em can't keep up.
That's right.

audioKorbin11959015959 (01:46):
'cause it's, they're running so hot.
But, um, Joe, what have you beendoing?

audioJoeFischer41959015959 (01:51):
I've been sick.
That's what I've been doing.
I've been doing a lot.
Abby and Wyatt were vaccinatingcows and calves yesterday,
pre-breeding vaccinations.
Um, you know, at the time thatthis releases, our sale will be
over and, um, you know, I canfirmly say.
Win or lose high or low.
We're, we're just so blessed.
I mean, that's what thisseason's been really pointing me

(02:14):
towards.
Um, we talked a little bitabout, you guys said I was gone
with some family health stuffand things like that, and.
The perspective I've gained thissummer has been just immense,
gentlemen, just, um, valuingtrue friendships, valuing real
relationships, valuing thesecows that are here, doing their
job, um, valuing our customers.

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Um, I'm just, I'm grateful forall that.
I'm grateful for you guys.
I'm grateful for this greatlineup of candidates who's come
on and throw their name in thehat or their, is it in the hat?
Would it be, it'd be

audioKorbin11959015959 (02:46):
Throw their name in the ring.
in the

audioJoeFischer41959015959 (02:47):
No, it's a hat in the ring.
A

audioKorbin11959015959 (02:49):
throw their hat in the ring.

audioJoeFischer41959015959 (02:51):
And you'd put a name in the hat?

audioVinceSantini31959015959 (02:52):
I thought you were the smart one.

audioJoeFischer41959015959 (02:54):
No, not only of big words.

audioKorbin11959015959 (02:56):
very thankful for all these
candidates that have opted torun for the board of directors.
We we're not gonna talk aboutany hats, any rings.
We don't know.
We don't know how it goes.
We don't know how it goes.

audioJoeFischer4195901 (03:06):
anyways, um, we're actually recording
this though before my sale andwe've had a hard week.
I don't really want to touch onit too much, just'cause it's
become such a lightning rod forso many people.
I don't think it's a lightningrod for any of us.
Um, I'd know where we all standon it, but just this nation and
the state of people and howpeople are respectful to others
and not has become, um, I guess,I guess maybe in some respects

(03:29):
my perspective has changed onsome things.
Um, um, and, and other ways I'vebeen further empowered to, to
feel the certain ways that I doabout things.
And, um, I'm thankful that Ihave such a good.
Industry to work in and such agreat group of people and such a
wonderful vocation that, youknow, I can firmly display my
faith without fear ofretribution.

audioKorbin11959015 (03:52):
Absolutely.

audioJoeFischer41959015959 (03:53):
and, uh, that's not the case for
everyone.
You know, that's maybe not eventhe case for some of our, our
listeners who are involved inthis great industry, but then
have a vocation in town

audioKorbin11959015 (04:03):
Absolutely.

audioJoeFischer41959015959 (04:04):
they have to feel silenced or they're
fearful or, um, I mean, it isfunny as a Christian, I, I.
Often talk about persecutionand, um, you know, we, we think
about persecution like in theold times when we really don't
think about it.
Like it could be going on everysingle day, every hour of every
day, just in different ways.
And, um, it, it's, it's hard.

(04:26):
It's, it's hard.
Um.
For, for folks to live in thisworld, I think.
But, uh, we just have to be thatbeacon of light for the people
we're around and that beacon ofpositivity and just keep
speaking truth to people.
I believe there's, there's mysoapbox monologue.
Um,

audioKorbin11959015959 (04:44):
Yeah, I think it's, it's, it's kind of,
and even, even for.
Four weeks from now, I think itwill be even more pertinent
because it, it'll have beenquite a bit of time.
And I, and I think people, um,we've seen it happen within the
American Angus Associationwhenever we have some sort of
big thing that we're all hypedup about and, and really upset,

(05:05):
um, a month, a month from now,you're not as upset about that
thing and you kind of let it goby the wayside.
But I think it's reallyimportant for us to maintain our
perspective.
So in four weeks from now, uh,still remember, remember that
you're lucky to be alive andyou're lucky to have, be able to
share your faith and be able to,to do whatever you wanna be.

(05:27):
You're lucky to live in America.
Um, that's for sure.
And if there's one thing I couldtell everyone, it's like, take
the, take the time and go hugyour family because you just
never know.
So,

audioJoeFischer41959015959 (05:38):
And those liberties and personal
freedoms are worth protecting.

audioKorbin11959015 (05:41):
absolutely.

audioJoeFischer41959015 (05:42):
They're absolutely worth protecting.
Um, but anyways, do, uh, Vinceyou have a comment on that.
I took us on a different spinthan we'd even talked about, but
that's just how around the shootworks.
We just kind of banner it up.
Right.

audioKorbin11959015959 (05:55):
yeah,

audioVinceSantini31959015959 (05:56):
I don't have anything.
I had something, but I don'tremember what it was.

audioJoeFischer4195901595 (05:58):
Well, thank you guys for, thank you
guys for taking care of Logan.
I thought you guys did a bang upjob with him.
Um, and I thought that, ofcourse the, the interviews I was
a part of, I really enjoyedthose, really enjoyed the
candidates time.
Just like the previous onesthough, uh, Corbin has done such
a wonderful job filling thisrole in the pilot chair, um,
running through theseinterviews.
That's how we're gonna do it.

(06:19):
So officially, I'll kick it offto you, Corbin, and we'll be on
the text thread when we wannachime in.
But, um, welcoming our guest.
I'm excited to hear what thisgentleman has to say.

audioKorbin11959015959 (06:29):
So I did such a good job of introducing
Logan.
I didn't even get the state hewas from.
Right.
So I'll try to, uh, I'll try tobe more, um, correct.
But, but I think one of thegreat things about me doing this
interview is, um, I've tried to,for, with, with each person.
Yeah, you could go through aphone call and talk to'em for 45
minutes, but I'd also to take adifferent route where, um, I

(06:50):
thought it would be moreentertaining if we were hearing
about them for the first time.
So, um, rather than, rather thanhave them talk on the phone to
me for hours and hours and hoursand getting it all out, I would,
I'd like for it to be fresh andnew.
That way we can, um, get that,that perspective that, that you
get from the first meeting.
So, um, uh.
We're excited to have BrianPalmer.

(07:12):
He's our fifth candidate that wewill be interviewing.
That's right, isn't it, Vince?
That's our fifth one.
This will be our fifth, ourfifth candidate.
Um, hope this will be the lastof the, uh.
New candidates, right?
This is the last of the, of thenon-incumbents.
I hopefully we can get a coupleof the incumbents to come on,
um, at a later date, but thiswill be the last of the ones

(07:34):
that are throwing their hat inthe ring.
As Joe would say for the firsttime, Brian Palmer, you, uh,
you're from Texas.
It's hot down there, uh, Palmer,Angus, tell us everything you
wanna tell us about you and uh,I'll just give it to you right
there.

audioBrian21959015959 (07:49):
Great.
Yeah, thanks for having me.
Um, look up to all you guys andenjoy listening.
So, uh, it's great to be here.
Yeah, Brian Palmer from Texas.
Um, haven't always lived inTexas and haven't always been an
Angus breeder, so I'm a littlebit different than what you
would see in an incumbentcandidate or maybe, you know,
even some of the other newcandidates as well.

(08:10):
And, um, I think I bring aninteresting perspective, but
I'll give you a little bit of a.
My background.
So, um, I grew up aroundagriculture.
My grandfather and uncle farmedand we helped and bailed hay and
fed cattle and hogs and thingslike that in the summers and
weekends.
But, uh, my dad recentlyretired, but he's a pastor as
his career and we moved around abit in the Midwest and so we

(08:33):
never had that family landourselves.
It was always important to us.
Um.
So I was very sports obsessed asa kid.
Did a lot of that.
Um, played football in college.
Um, graduated from Yale and thenI did a

audioKorbin11959015959 (08:49):
That's easy to get into, isn't it?

audioBrian21959015959 (08:51):
very easy out here.
Yeah.
Um, but yeah, anyhow, I wentthere.
Um.
I was happy to come back to theMidwest.
Um, I did a 20 year corporatecareer, lived in Australia for
five of those, uh, years, and,um, you know, uh, something was
very missing.

(09:12):
You know, financially thingswere great.
But it wasn't the way I wantedto raise my kids.
I was flying around on a planeall over the world and, um, you
know, we had started buyingranch land as investments and
um, you know, that just keptappealing more and more to me.
So, um, eventually, um, wecalled it quits on the corporate

(09:33):
thing and, and decided to go allin on, on Angus cattle and beef.
And so we had had Angus cattlebefore I left corporate America,
but um.
This is where it's like, okay,we gotta make it work with this.
And so this is what we do as afamily.
Um, my wife helps a lot on thebeef end of things.
The kids are pretty little.
We have three young kids, twodaughters and a son.

(09:53):
Uh, they got their first heifersthis year, so,

audioKorbin11959015959 (09:56):
Ooh, that's exciting.

audioBrian21959015959 (09:57):
uh, we're getting them involved that way.
We brought'em and, uh, so nextspring will be really, really
exciting for us.
Um, and, um.
It's been a great community.
I couldn't say, you know,anything better about the Angus
community and the friends I'vemade out of this in the last few
years, especially in the last,you know, six or eight months.
Um, you know, getting into why Idecided to run for the board,

(10:23):
um, you know, I, I started apetition, um, several months
ago.
I can't remember when we.
Launched it.
But, you know, there was a, an,an issue a lot of us felt with
the Bezos Earth Fund grantspecifically and kind of the
decisions that were made withwithout our input as members.
And a lot of us were talking,um, two or three of us in

(10:44):
particular, not gonna namenames, um, but we just were,
there was something not rightabout it to us.
And we felt like, um, a lot ofthem had made calls and letters
and, uh, hadn't really.
It felt like they were hitting abrick ball, so we felt like this
was a, a, maybe a hail Mary abit to put it back into football

(11:05):
terms.
But, um, we felt like we had todo something.
And so through that process, Ijust had an outpouring of
support from our community and alot of folks encouraged me to
run for the board.
Um.
You know, I'm a newer Angusbreeder and newer in the
business, so it wasn't somethingI was thinking of for myself.
Um, nor do I really have thetime for it, and I'm not really

(11:27):
interested in the title.
Um, but enough people called andsaid, you know, we need your
experience in the corporateboardroom, you know, what we're
facing right now within theassociation.
Um, you know.
You may not be the best breederout there, but um, we don't need
that.
You know, we need someone tohelp us navigate this.

(11:48):
And so I was very honored to, toget those calls and, um, kinda
shocked I guess at first.
And um, but you know, it kindastarted to settle in and
honestly, I felt like I had toput my money where my mouth was.
Um,'cause I had been very vocalabout it.
And, um.
So it, it is gonna be asacrifice for our family already

(12:09):
is at this point, you know?
But, um, if I'm on, I'd behonored to, to do, to serve the
membership and, and really get,get the, you know, the
association back to basics, Ibelieve.

audioKorbin11959015959 (12:22):
Yeah, so I think you actually provide an
interesting perspective.
Um, so you've been part of CoCorporate America, which, um.
Generally, generally, I wouldsay the, the ones that are, are
far away from the goings on of.
What's going on in an AmericanAngus are far away from
corporate America as you canget.
So like the ones who are gonnabe against the Bezos Earth Fund

(12:46):
are in general gonna be the onesthat, you know, the blue collar
types is what kind of what I've,I've noticed.
And so I'm, I'm proud to be oneof those, but you provide an
interesting perspective, so I'mexcited to get to know, get to,
to, to pick your brain on someof that stuff.
Um, what do you think the roleof AAA even is?
What, what should, what shouldAAA's job be?

audioBrian21959015959 (13:06):
That's a bit of a loaded question, I
would say, but I think, um, youknow, in my opinion the, you
know, the JY Association is tomaintain the purity of the breed
and to publish pedigrees.
Beyond that, there could be someextra support, um, tools, maybe
things like that.
But, um.

(13:27):
I believe, you know, when we askpeople for vision of the breed
and where are we headed and whatare we gonna do, I think that's
the job of us as members andbreeders, you know, and, and
ultimately, you know, all of uson this.
Podcasts right now are from alldifferent places, and our
customers will have differentneeds and you have different
environments.

(13:48):
Um, and so I think you're bestpositioned to say what your herd
needs to be and where you needto go.
Um, and so I think we need tokeep Angus Angus and I think we
need to, um, you know, not gettoo far away from, you know,
what's made the breed great,but.
Honestly, um, you know, I thinkthe o the association has

(14:08):
overstepped quite a bit withthis grant, for example, and
some other things.
And we're, we're running as a,we're running as a corporation,
so I have experience there and Ithink I can help us navigate,
but we're really not running asa, a member association at this
time.

audioJoeFischer41959015959 (14:22):
So Brian, I'd like to follow up on
that just a little.
Um, do you feel your sentimentswould've been the same with the
role the so.
Eight months prior to this, or ayear prior, um, or has that
changed at all?
Because I, and I'll, I'llpreface by, I should have
prefaced po postvis.
It's after I've asked thequestion, whatever that means.
Right.

audioKorbin11959015959 (14:42):
You should have done it before, so
that would be

audioJoeFischer419590159 (14:43):
Corman Corman.
I

audioKorbin11959015959 (14:45):
go to Yale.
So actually, um, for any of yourgrammar questions, I'm gonna
defer to Brian since he's

audioJoeFischer419590159 (14:50):
that'd be a good, that'd be good.
That'd be good.

audioBrian21959015959 (14:52):
I don't use those words often, Joe, but
I can probably understand whatyou're saying.

audioJoeFischer41959015959 (14:56):
The reason, the reason I ask that
though, uh, about if thatchanged your mindset is because
I think that a lot of folkswould say the young or the
emerging breeder, the newbreeder is saying, I don't have
enough tools.
How do I verify if these cattleare good or if they're not, or
if this breeder's truthful or ifthey're not.
And so.
There's more and more tools thenwe get, we get into NEPD because

(15:17):
we can't predict the birthweight, and then we can't
predict the weaning weight, thenwe can't predict yearling.
And then you just keep stackingthis onto more and more and
more.
So I'm just curious, when youfirst came into the business,
you're like, man, I love allthese tools, or did this
situation here provide someclarity of some of the threats
of offering so much to describeAngus cattle?

audioBrian21959015959 (15:39):
I think that's a good question and, and
for me, you know, everyone'spath is different, but I'm in
Texas.
Um, and so I'm pretty wellsurrounded by a lot different
cattle than you guys raise and alot different cattle than I
raised today, but that's what,where, where I started.
And very first calving season, Ithought, okay, you know, we're,

(15:59):
we're new, um, we're gonna haveto deal with, you know, maybe
we're doing something wrongmanagement wise or whatever.
But, um, as we kind of honedsome of that in and had a second
calving season that didn't, I,and when I say calving season,
I'm, I'm talking about, uh, whenwe weaned calves.
Um, and I just didn't like whatI was seeing and so I started
questioning all of this stuff.

(16:22):
Well before, um, you know, the,the Bezos Earth Fund, I, I do
think it provided clarity.
I, I wasn't probably as focusedon a GI at that point.
Um, I was just like, you know, Idon't know, I, maybe there's
just not enough here.
Maybe in 20 years it'll bebetter, but I just wasn't having

(16:43):
success with what I wanted tosee outta my calves.
And so I, I made a pretty bigU-turn in in my breeding style.
Um.
You know, a couple years backactually.
And so I was already kind of, Iguess, skeptical of the tools
that were there for me and, andstarted building relationships
with folks that kind of felt thesame way.

(17:04):
And, um, and so, yeah, then whenit, when it did come out, it
provided, I guess maybe someclarity around that.
Um, I think.
I've gotten pretty involved inthis in the last few months.
I've talked to lots of folks andI feel like it's been a
turbocharge, you know, it's likea master's degree in what's
happening.

(17:24):
Um, and so even with that thingthat clicked, that didn't feel
right about what I wanted to doand what I wanted to leave for
my kids and the risk, I feltlike it, it posed for all of us
in the long term.
Um, I still didn't feel like,you know, compared to today
where I'm sitting, I knew evenhalf of, you know, what I have
concerns with now.

(17:45):
So anyhow, I'm not sure if thatanswers the question or not, but
that's a little bit of my storyabout kind of why I was already,
you know, half glass empty, Isuppose.

audioJoeFischer41959015959 (17:55):
No,

audioVinceSantini31959015 (17:55):
know, you, you brought up a GIA second
ago.
What are, what are your thoughtson a GI and what they do and
what their goal is, or evenlooking for more and more and
more and more EPDs?
I mean, what are your thoughtson all that?

audioBrian21959015959 (18:14):
my thoughts are that, you know, a
GI is a, you know, subsidiary ofthe corporation to provide more
revenue.
I don't think that necessarilybenefits the members.
Um, and so I don't think that'swhat it should be doing.
Or maybe there's some sort of,you know, fee reduction program

(18:35):
or whatever, if they make acertain amount of profit on
other projects that we wouldhave to pay less on.
Things that we submit or, youknow, you can kind of hash it
out.
I don't have all the answers onthat, but I, I do, I think that,
you know, if you go back intothe, the bylaws and charter of,
of the association and, um,sometimes I use the word
association and sometimes I usethe word corporation.
And I think there are timeswhere, um, we're acting as a

(18:58):
corporation and a, and afor-profit company, and there
are times where we're acting asan association and those are at
odds with each other.
I wanna be clear about that.
But, um.
You know, very upfront in thebylaws, in charter, it talks
about us not, you know, runningfor profit.
And so right there, when I thinklook at a GI is, you know, built

(19:22):
to create more revenue for, forthe corporation, it's really at
odds with how we were created asan association.
And, um, maybe there's a way tokind of make it make sense.
But, um, you know, I think, uh.
It is just kind of run outtacontrol at this point is, is my
feeling.

audioKorbin11959015959 (19:41):
So you talked about how you some.
Times can't tell a distinctionbetween a corporation and
association.
And, and I think one of the mainreasons for that could be
because, because we're lettingit be ran like a corporation and
members aren't as involved asthey need to be.
I think.
I think the numbers weresomething like 20% of members
voted in the delegate election.

(20:02):
So, uh, I guess my question foryou is how do we get members to
be more involved?
How do we get, how can we getmembers to feel empowered?
And for it to be a member ranorganization instead of letting
it, letting the, the big hatsjust do everything.

audioBrian21959015959 (20:20):
Um, honestly, you know, I think the
voting representation is, isbased on people feeling like
they vote matters.
Um, and, and so if you don'tfeel like you can make any
difference and they, you don'tfeel like they care anyways, and
whatever, you just kind of throwin the towel.
So like, you know, I, I love mydogs.
I'd never kick them.

(20:40):
But kick a dog enough times,he's gonna stop coming back.
And I feel like.
That's a lot of where themembership is.
And so how do we change that?
We actually have to engage withthem.
We actually have to not justlisten and hang up and okay,
we're gonna continue to do it,but people need to see some
action, you know, out of, youknow, member feedback and, and a

(21:02):
desire to hear from our members.
I, I'm not sure that theassociation really does desire
to hear that.
I think we're throwing theirside often and, um.
You know, I don't have a clearanswer on that except for, um,
we, you know, I know this istrue of me and, and, and, and
the other four candidates youguys have already spoken to,
that, you know, there is adesire to have transparency and

(21:24):
to listen and to be open tofeedback.
Um, I think a lot of things thatthe association need to see some
sunlight and people need to seewhat's happening and we need to
get feedback.
There's a lot of ways you can doengagement.
Um, it's an not an overnightthing.
You know.
Ultimately you have to buildsome trust.
And that is not an easy thing todo When it, it, it might be easy

(21:48):
where Corwin and I just met youand, and I'm gonna start off
with, with a trust basis.
But if you've been around for along time and you know, maybe
you're multiple generations intothis and you've kind of seen
where it's headed, um, there'sgonna be a lot of skepticism
upfront, even on new people andnew faces that.
Talk about different things.
And so, uh, that's theresponsibility of the board and

(22:09):
ultimately the association worksfor the board and, and to make
that change, it's a very bigculture shift.
Um, it's not the culture theretoday, but it is, um, it, it is
required.
I, I, I believe the membershipis demanding that right now.
Um, you know, we'll see whathappens at, at the convention in
November, but we have to buildtrust back.

audioVinceSantini3195901595 (22:33):
You just mentioned, uh, something
about transparency, and I havetalked to several folks, um,
lately, and, you know, some ofthem would say that they're
getting better at transparency.
Um, some of'em would say thatthere's only maybe so much

(22:53):
transparency they could give.
Um, I, don't really.
Know how it would look like,what it would look like to be,
um, overly transparent.
I don't know that it, do youthink that that's even a thing
that you could be overlytransparent?

audioBrian21959015959 (23:15):
I don't think there could be overly
trans.
Spirit.
I mean, there might be, we get alot of info already today, which
doesn't provide muchinformation, but, um, you, there
might be a point where peopleare like, okay, enough.
But I

audioVinceSantini3195901595 (23:27):
But at least if they put it out
there, you can determine ityourself if you want enough,
right?
Instead of them doing it foryou.

audioBrian21959015959 (23:33):
I think, uh, giving people access to
things, you know, whether theychoose to, to access it or not
is up to them.
Um, is an easy thing to do.
Um, you know.
When I talked about what theassociation was supposed to do
around, you know, maintainingthe breed and publishing
pedigrees, the stuff thatthey're worried about not
putting out there is notanywhere near that.

(23:54):
And so the question really Ihave is, are we into things that
we shouldn't be into?
Um, are, you know.
Recently there was a boardmeeting and they talked about,
you know, needing to do certainthings, you know, for the future
of the breed and et cetera.
And, you know, and, and myfeeling is that's up to the
breeders and that's up to whatyour commercial customers want
from you and I I think if youwere gonna run a corporation.

(24:20):
I think an association probablyneeds to be in this in terms of
service as well.
But if you're gonna run acorporation, it's awfully hard
to have a successful business ifyou're not customer focused.
And so what I, my interpretationof how the actions are of the
association today is that we asmembers are not the customer.
Our commercial customers are notthe customer either.
It's, you know, A-G-I-C-A-B, um,profit center revenue.

(24:45):
Makers and, and typicalcorporations that, you know, who
brings in the money is who callsthe shots and where, where
things go.
And so, um, I'm just being verydirect about this because I
think, uh, you know, I, I thinka lot of us, and, and you know,
to Joe's question earlier, youknow, with, with some time.
You know, before this I had someskepticism maybe about, you

(25:08):
know, the accuracy of certainEPDs or, or whatever.
But, um, I think people areright to be skeptical about
what's happening and why, and,and, and why isn't there more
information.
And so I think if we're doingthings that are so confidential
and so, you know, scary to getout, like are we really in the
right thing?

audioKorbin11959015 (25:28):
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
I mean, I totally agree.
And so one of the questions thatwe've asked every candidate is,
is would you be willing to put.
The, um, board meetings on Zoom,but I think for you, a more
appropriate question, havingyour experience is, is that
something that is even feasible?
Is it something that makessense?
Is it something that would evenbenefit the membership, would it

(25:50):
or, or is there another route weshould take as far as member
access to boardrooms?

audioBrian21959015959 (25:55):
I mean, I sure would like that access.
I, I, you know, as a membertoday, you know, we get.
Minutes, so to speak.
But it's really, um, light andvague and, um, there's nothing
you can take out of it justbesides maybe a handful of
topics that they would'vediscussed, but not, not really
anything beyond that.
And so we need something morethan that.

(26:16):
Um, you know, I would be opento, you know, zoom or whatever
being, you know, televised so tospeak.
Um, but there's, there's otherways to do it as well.
Um.
You, you know, truthfully, um,that's a long-term aspiration if
we're being honest.
Okay.
Let's say one or two or five newcandidates get on this year.

(26:40):
got this like, expectation, whatare you gonna do in the first a
hundred days?
Well, A, I'm not the presidentof the company and B, there's a
whole other room there.
And so we have to be realisticthat this is gonna be a long
trail if we are really gonnamake, uh, real change.
Okay?
And, and, and the rest of theboard has to want it.

(27:00):
And then eventually the staffhas to one of two.
And when I say staff, the staffat the Angus Association are
credible.
When I say it like that, I'mtalking about is the executive
staff.
Um, the guys that are, you cansee on the nine 90 making the
big bucks.
It's not the person that'sanswering your phone call and
helping you with yourregistration errors or whatever.
It's not those folks.

(27:21):
They're great.
It's the the guys that are incharge.

audioJoeFischer4195901595 (27:25):
Ryan, maybe touch on, um, diversity of
thought in a boardroom and thevalue that that could bring to
both a corporation and anonprofit.

audioBrian21959015959 (27:33):
I've never been in a boardroom where
everyone voted unanimously.
Um, and maybe in the end theremight have been a vote that was
unanimous, but there was a lotof debate getting there.
We're not seeing that right now.
Maybe it's happening and it'sjust not being transparent.
A lot of us would feel betterabout it if it was, but I think,
um.

(27:53):
You know, even someone, just toplay devil's advocate, even if
they weren't on that side, justto get the best answer.
And I saw that time and timeagain in our corporation that I
used to work that.
Um, we didn't always end upwhere we thought we were going
to at the beginning of, of apitch, you know?
Um, and, and, and, and so when Ithink about other candidates,

(28:14):
and I think about maybe KellyAlbrecht sitting there and his
background, and, um, I, I fullyexpect the board should be
fighting it out and fighting forthe membership and to see what's
best.
And it's not personal, it'sbusiness.
Um, but it's, you know.
Let's get to the truth.
Let's get to, you know, where weneed to go.

(28:35):
And sometimes that can beuncomfortable.
And I get the feeling now thatthere's a lot of, um.
Similar points of view andsimilar backgrounds in that
room, and uh, maybe some peoplethat are just going along with
it.
There's a lot of nice folks onthere.
Um, this is not a personalstatement about any of them,
but, um, if you're, you know,let's say you get on as a new

(28:57):
board member, you might beuncomfortable for a year or two.
Just it's new.
There's a lot coming at you.
You got things to learn.
Um, speaking up in that momentis tough.
So then you get to year three.
You get to year three, we'rerunning again.
Um, so maybe your second term,you really start to kind of make
some inroads, but depending onkind of who's in power and who's

(29:17):
in control, um, that could betough too.
And so the number one thing weneed to have, you know, and I,
and I believe you know, uh,Robert Groom, Brooke Miller,
Logan Sampson, Kelly, they allhave this is they have a
backbone and they have theirmorals and.
It's not a popularity contest.

(29:37):
If it was, they weren't, none ofus were invited to the party.
Um, they're doing this out ofservice and what is right, and,
and so that's who I want sittingthere.
Um, I don't care if they'repolished or not.
I don't care if, if there's anargument like we need to hear
those voices.

audioKorbin11959015 (29:54):
Absolutely.
Uh, the, the reason why.
We're here is, is there's,there's some distrust between
the, the members and the boardand then the higher ups even.
So, uh, uh, one of the mainconcerns with, with our
listeners and with, with us too,is the way that this Bezos GR
Earth Fund has, has affected thebreed reputation.

(30:16):
So as a board member, you mighthave the opportunity to, um.
Sort of gain that trust backfrom both the members and from
the commercial customer.
Um, I'd like to hear first, howdo you get that trust back?
And second, how do we begin toput the commercial cowman first?

(30:38):
Because that's what, that's whothe backbone of.
Everything.
Everything we do is, so how dowe gain their trust back?
And then how do we further our,uh, relationship with them?

audioBrian21959015959 (30:51):
Yeah, so, you know, um, very good
question.
I think in my opinion.
Um, and this would be oneopinion in the room, and I'd be
interested in 14 others to getto the right answer to this.
But I, I, I think in my opinion,if, if we're really being
customer focused is, um, I wouldlike to spend more time with,
you know, those guys and I havemy customers here, but, uh,

(31:13):
we're.
One little p pocket of thecountry.
Um, and so that's the, you know,maybe an advantage of having a
larger group on a board, but I,I don't think really, um,
they're getting that.
And so as an association, we hawe would have that opportunity
really to understand whatmatters to our commercial
customers.
What are they mad about withAngus?
'cause, you know, we're in agreat position right now and I

(31:36):
love being part of Angus and thecommunity that's here and the
Angus cow.
But we are not perfect.
Forget about the grant.
Like we are not perfect.
We need to be out there talkingto them and understanding what
are concerns they have.
When I talk to folks beforethis, there's a lot of concerns
about longevity and feet.
There's a lot of concerns aboututter.
You can kind of go on dependingon where you're at.

(31:58):
Okay.
Uh, we need to be listening andhow, you know, are we, I'm not,
I told you earlier, my vision isthis is a breeder's decision,
but as an association, are wepushing agenda That's.
Against that, it's antagonisticto that, you know, that's, you
gotta be asking these questions,I think, and, and, and I think
I, I would say today we arepushing an agenda that's, you

(32:23):
know, uh, more related to whatCAB wants to see, and maybe
some, you know, larger namebreeders, I don't know.
But, um, I think there's a bigopportunity to get closer to the
customer here, um, and help ourbreeders if we.
Either it's providingpotentially tools to help them
or, or just not making thesystem so rigged in a direction

(32:46):
that takes everyone that way.

audioJoeFischer4195901595 (32:49):
think it's interesting you bring that
up because my mind actually, itwas more probably, um,
applicable earlier in your talkrather than when you, when you
wrapped on that question, butI'm gonna circle back to it.
We're dealing with a person whenyou talk about the commercial
cattleman or woman.
Who is gritty, who is tough, whodigs deep, who sacrifices

(33:11):
everything for faith, family,and principle.
Um, that's who that person is.
That's where I'm from.
Those are my dear friends.
And they're exiting the businesslike crazy.
And Angus has the biggestcontribution of genes to the
livestock that they're using.

(33:32):
And I've often thought, I mean,we keep driving so hard towards
creating more dollars forcattle, more revenue for cattle,
but are we not spending enoughtime figuring out profitability
for these folks?
Or is it even bigger thanprofitability, Brian?
Or are you saying let's ask'em.

(33:54):
I

audioBrian21959015959 (33:54):
I think we should ask them.
Yeah, I am saying all three, butI think the most important thing
is, is we need to ask them andwe need to get to know them
better.
Right now, what I think theassociation's direction is
headed is more, we know betterthan you we're in front of this.
We're in a boardroom, we're.
In a fancy office.
And I think the further you getfrom your customer and listening

(34:17):
to that feedback, you know, the,it's just very potentially
detrimental.
There could be some brilliantthings that happen that get done
that way, but, um, I think toyour point about being gritty
and rolling up your sleeves, andthat's what we need to do as an
association and as a board.
This is not.

(34:38):
You know, the crystal towersituation we're, we're geniuses
on this.
Freaking work about on it.
And um, I don't have all theanswers to it, Joe, but, um, I'd
be willing to work on that.
And I think it's something weneed to direct the association
to do.
And, and, and some of thosefolks that sit in offices that
are coming up with theseprograms like, let's pick on a

(35:01):
GI here, um, they need to go sitin front of those customers and
hear what issues they have andwhy they left Angus.
Or why they're exiting thebusiness and instead of right
now you get the call to from anupset customer that says, Hey,
I'm not gonna use Angus Bullsanymore.
'cause I can't A, I've had kindof been having issues, but I was
willing to deal with some ofthose'cause of the prices I was

(35:21):
getting in when I sold mycalves.
But b, I can't be part of thisinsanity that's going on at your
association.
They're not getting that phonecall.
It's very easy to be, you know.
Um, I guess they're isolated orin a padded area where they
don't get that, and so they needto, they need to feel that.

audioJoeFischer41959015959 (35:41):
So other than disconnect, what are
some other threats, immediatethreats internally and or ex
externally?
Um, for the association.

audioBrian21959015959 (35:49):
Yeah.
I mean, you know, internally,you know, we need to, to work on
the culture and, and, and, andbuild trust.
Um.
There's a long list of things Iwould like to look at, but I
can't comment on'em not havingthat information.
Um, you know, it'd be, you know,a lot of assumptions I'd be
making, but, um, probably somefair ones, but I'm, I'm gonna

(36:10):
leave those out.
But, um, in, in, in terms of,you know, where do we go?
You know, what does this looklike?
Um, I, I, I just feel like we'reat this point now where we can
kind of go one of two ways.
And if you look at what'shappening right now, we've got
other breeds that are kind oflicking their chops and glad we

(36:34):
took the money.
Um, you know, the, the, it's ajump ball.
And so we have an opportunity togo and grab that and, and, and,
and maybe we have to put ourtail between our legs and, and
admit some wrong and make somechanges.
Um, but.
I think we have, when I talk tothe membership, I know this for

(36:54):
sure, and when I talk to ourcustomers, I know this for sure
that we have it in us to dothat.
Um, and so yeah, there's a lotof competition out there.
Um, you know, the market isfacing, um, a really tough time,
like prices are great, so we allwant to kind of pat ourselves on
the back about that.
But, um, ranchers are, you know,packing it in now it's, you

(37:16):
know, is it worth it?
And so we need them to stickaround if we're gonna have
something here in 10 or 20 yearsas well.
And so I was actually in DC lastweek, you know, meeting with
folks about some of these issuesand there's, there's other
things that are unrelated tojust Angus, but I think we need
to be a part of, of helping our,our customers stay in business

(37:36):
when I, so our customers acommercial customer, not, you
know, us as customers of theassociation.
And so, um, your point earlierabout around profitability, um.
If we can't keep themprofitable, that is a major
problem for us because is rightnow the easy button is taking my
cows down and getting a greatprice for them and moving on.

(37:57):
And my land is probably prettyvaluable too.
Um.
You know, and so, uh, we need tohelp them make this profitable
today, but also something thatthey can make money with, um,
for their, to pass onto theirkids and for there to be a
future to keep investing inthis.
And so there's a lot ofdifferent investments.
If someone has a cow herd andthey're not buying cows today,

(38:20):
they're still investing time andresources around this.
You know, we're all busy workingon this.
This is not something that justhappens.
You know, on its own, this hasto be managed.
And so, um, and we have an agingpopulation of ranchers too.
And so when you put a lot ofcash in front of somebody, um,
and an easy button, and theirkids don't wanna be part of it,

(38:43):
and they don't really have areason to tell'em to stick
around, that's, that's prettyscary.
And so we, we need to thinkabout how we can make them more
profitable and, and make them,make them have more longevity in
this business as well.

audioKorbin11959015959 (38:56):
And I think another, another point to
further what you're saying is,is, is instead of young people
walking into a buzz saw wherewe've got the greatest market
we've ever seen in the historyof the cattle market, and then
they're having to read thisstuff about the Bezos, or
instead of, instead of creatingnegative.

(39:17):
News, how do we as Angusbreeders, as an association, how
do we make it a more invitingbusiness for young people to get
into?
Because that's ultimately theproblem we're gonna fall, fall
into, is that everyone's gettingold and they're, and you know
what?
We've all got a price.
And, um, there's a lot of peoplethat are thinking, man, if I
could sell out right now, um, I,I could never work again.

(39:41):
But if you have a relationshipbuilt with that person and they
enjoy what they're doing.
And they believe in what they'redoing, then it's easier to keep
that person around whenever theyhave other options.

audioBrian21959015959 (39:52):
I think, um, you know, there's a lot of
faith we put in leaders andthere's this, these expectations
that this person's a genius orthis or that they should be in
this role.
Business is common sense andwhen we make it too complicated,
and we're talking about cattlehere, when we make it too
complicated.
In terms of the association andwhat we're doing and, and how

(40:14):
we're serving, um, I think we'regetting way too far off track.
And so I think it's, it's aboutgetting back to basics and, and
using some common sense and, um,letting our breeders manage
their businesses, how they seefit.
I mean, all of us.
And, you know, have a lotinvested in this, whether it's
loans, you know, the land, youhave, the cattle, you know,

(40:37):
that's all property too.
And, and so there's this massiveinvestment that everyone has
and, um.
That, you know, when you haveinvestment and loans and things
like that, there's a, therewe're a higher risk profile
than, than the average businessowner.
And, and so if you give peoplean easy button, um, they have a

(40:59):
couple bad days, it might betime to press that button.
And so, um.
I, I think, you know, we'remaking this way too complicated.
Um, ultimately, if you, as abreeder and your program wanna
make it really complicated,that's fine.
That's your choice.
It's your business, but theassociation's not a part of
that.
They need to be, you know,managing pedigrees and making

(41:20):
sure that Angus is pure and, anddoing no harm.
Um, this, all this other stuff.
And, and by the way, like CABhas been great for.
An guess, obviously the brandname is there, but, uh, it also
has done some detrimental thingstoo, and, and I think we're, you
know, facing some of that now.
And so, um, yeah, I mean, youknow, people leaving'cause of,

(41:42):
of their age, you know, there'sa lot of risk of vertical
integration now in the beefbusiness.
We're seeing it in the dairyside, um, with beef on dairy
and, um.
The Packers are looking, youknow, for ways to do this and,
uh, um, and so keepingindependent ranches, and I don't
care if your customers arebuying, you know, bulls for a

(42:03):
thousand head or bulls for 10head, they're all very
important.
And you know, I, I don't thinkas an association we treat'em
all equally.

audioJoeFischer41959015959 (42:14):
It's interesting you say that because
even for the corporates, theyneed the independence to provide
competition and value.
You know, it's sort of like wesee these feeder calves being
pushed to values that maybequote unquote, doesn't
economically make sense.
Well, until the contendingbidders a farmer feeder sitting
on a bunch of corn that theywanna walk off their place Well.
That's a decision that made fullprice discovery come to

(42:35):
fruition.
I mean that's, I I guess one ofthe things that you touched on
that just really hit right in myheart is being a young person
and investing in a business and,and then realizing that there
are other folks that, that areon your team who are valuing
your business and describingyour business in terms of
monetary value.

(42:56):
That's, that's kind of a scary,um.
Scenario, at least for me, andespecially encouraging young
people to be involved.
But that's nothing that I, Idon't need to editorialize too
much next year at this time.
Brian, you get elected, Godwilling.
Um, let's just take you, let'snot say any of the other board
members or take that outtacontext.
You've heard me ask, ask thisbefore to other members.

(43:19):
What would you consider asuccessful first year being on
the board?

audioBrian21959015959 (43:23):
Yeah, I think, um, you know,
immediately, I, you know, Imentioned earlier, let's be
realistic.
We're not gonna have, you know,15 people in there doing this.
It's, you know, whether it's meor a handful of others is still
gonna be the minority of theroom.
And so I think, um, you know,first of all, just getting an
understanding of where theskeletons are.

(43:43):
And kind of how to operate.
I think, you know, even thoughif some of the votes don't
change in the room or thingslike that, you know, I think
there's a, an incredibleopportunity for whoever has
voted on to, to be a beacon oflight to, to members that are
feeling, um, like the membersthat call me, where they're
frustrated and they feel notheard.

(44:04):
Um, and I think there's anopportunity to help communicate.
Um, and it doesn't have to be inminutes.
It could be a phone call.
Um, and, um, I'd like to see,you know, even if there is one
person voted on, or, or five newones or whatever, I think the
tone of that room changes and,um, and I, and I'd like to see

(44:26):
things.
You know, ultimately, you know,I feel that there is a
governance problem, uh, with ourboard and with how the
association is being run.
And so whether that iscompletely changed in a couple
people or not, I don't know,but, um, we can start to crack
away at that.
So there might be hard things toquantify, Joe, exactly what that

(44:48):
looks like in, you know, a yearfrom now.
But I, I feel like.
Holding folks accountable,having a voice in that room, um,
refusing to go along on aunanimous vote.
So maybe there'll be more splitvotes and things like that, um,
I think are important firststeps at least.
And, and even though it may notlook, you know, like exactly

(45:11):
like we all dream, it might looklike in 12 months, I think, um,
we're laying a foundation, um,that can over time make a
difference.

audioJoeFischer4195901595 (45:21):
Those split votes are fun, aren't
they?
It's kinda like you do'em andthen you go.
Oh my goodness.
I just went and had a drink withthis guy afterwards.
We don't hate each other.
It's okay.
Like it's, it's still, it'sstill passed.
I still represented the people Iwas sitting here by to represent
and it's all good.
I just had one a couple weeksago with one of my best friends
I sit on a board with and do alot of business with, and we

(45:43):
felt very, very convicted on anissue and, and it was fine.
It's still fine.

audioKorbin11959015959 (45:48):
I think it's very important to, if
you're gonna create change likethat within a boardroom, they
have to, there has to be.
An opposing voice, like youcan't all, it can't be a group
think thing where you all justare trying to come to the same
conclusion.
We have to think criticallyabout what is at stake and what
the real consequences are of adecision, and then react

(46:11):
accordingly rather than just tryto work together to all agree.
Uh, it, it would be great.

audioBrian21959015959 (46:18):
Yeah, I think, you know, being that
voice is important, um, notnecessarily winning the vote.
Um, and if you're true, true toyourself and true to the, you
know, your customers, um, andthe members that have entrusted
us with this and being open totheir feedback and asking for
advice, you know, at the end ofthe day it's not about winning
and losing.

(46:38):
It's about what's best.
And, you know, this is a firststep in towards that.
I believe

audioVinceSantini31959015959 (46:43):
So Brian, did you get your info to
sent in to Angus to be in thejournal?

audioBrian21959015959 (46:49):
I did just barely, but I did.

audioVinceSantini3195901595 (46:51):
did they do a a, like a pod
interview or something thatthey've done with a lot of the
other candidates?
Or all the other candidates?

audioBrian21959015959 (46:59):
They did.
I believe they're out.
So this'll be a while later now.
Now it's a shorter format.
Different questions than whatyou

audioKorbin11959015959 (47:06):
Oh, so by the time this comes out,
those will be released.
What?
What's the release date

audioVinceSantini31959015959 (47:10):
I think they're released.

audioKorbin11959015959 (47:12):
Oh, they're out now.

audioVinceSantini31959015959 (47:14):
I think I saw something about it
yesterday.

audioKorbin11959015959 (47:17):
Oh.

audioBrian21959015959 (47:18):
I'd encourage you to listen to all
10 candidates.
Um, you know, of course, youknow, I, I would like the
support of the de delegates toget on the board and I think I
can do some things, but I, Ithink, you know, you know, I'd
be, uh, unfair in saying thatyou should only consider us, um,
'cause I don't wanna do thatwhen I'm on the board either.
I think you should cons considerall the, you know, candidates

(47:38):
that are there and five of'emhave a track record that you
need to take into account aswell.
But, um.
You know, I, I think it's worthlistening to all five of those.

audioKorbin11959015 (47:48):
Absolutely.
Um, so I guess, I guess you're,you're from, you've been, you've
been gone away from home a lotover the last 20 years.
Whenever you told your wife thatyou were gonna run for the
board, uh, did you tell, did youask her permission first or did
you tell her and she's like, oh.

audioBrian21959015959 (48:07):
So, you know, leading up to, I think the
deadline was August 1st.
Um, so leading up to that, wehad the petition and then we
kind of had all, hell breakloose after.
Of that and my phone was prettyconstant.
Um, in the month of July, um, wespend the month of July at our
branch in Montana, and that'ssupposed to be family time and

(48:30):
maybe some fishing.
And I probably was holed up onthe phone too much, but I think
she asked me like, you're gonnarun, aren't you?
Um.
It was a pretty deepconversation over a stretch of,
of time.
Um, I felt convicted about itjust'cause I haven't been in
this for a long time.
Um, but everyone that wascalling me to, you know, ask me

(48:53):
to run were what had been andthey said we need you.
And so, um, you know, we prayedabout it.
It, you know, it was a big dealfor us to, um, like you said,
um.
I went for being gone all thetime and I promised my kids I
wouldn't travel like thatanymore.
And I don't travel much now, butwhen I do, it's tough to say
goodbye to them.
And, um, this'll be four times ayear for, you know, a, a week.

(49:17):
And so, uh, that was a factor aswell.
But, um, it ultimately for us,when we prayed about and talked
about it as a family, it was,um, this is really important.
And something I've, you know,been vocal about and, and, and,
uh, the members are looking tous to, to make some change and
to, um, you know, to be thatchange.

(49:37):
And so, um, I felt we've feltconvicted, but obviously I had
to decide myself too.
I, I wanted to do it, but shewas, she's a big support of mine
and, um, ultimately, um, youknow, she was right alongside me
with that.

audioKorbin11959015959 (49:52):
Awesome.
So, so, um, I guess if you guysdon't have any other questions,
Brian, I'll open up to you.
Is there anything else youwanted to touch on before we
wrap up?

audioBrian21959015959 (50:03):
Yeah, I think, um, you know, none of us
are perfect candidates.
I think it, you know, at the endof the day is, you know, I've.
I've got a drive to try and findout what's best that I have
experienced in that boardroom.
Not that one in particular, butboardrooms like this at big
corporations.
And, um, that's a tough thing tonavigate.
And so, you know, I, I thinkthat's something that a little

(50:23):
bit different that I bring tothe table.
Um, I, I do wanna, you know,ultimately I'd like.
If I, if I can serve, I'd liketo leave it a better place than
when we started, and I thinkthere's a lot of things we could
do to that.
Um, I'm willing to fight harhard for it.
Um, you know, ultimately, youknow, I'm looking to get to know

(50:45):
as many people as I can throughthis process as well.
So, um, I've been callingdelegates, but, you know, I'm,
I'd love to hear from others.
I'm gonna be at the.
Um, I'm going to some tours andtrying to visit some sales, and
of course I'll be at theconvention too.
And so whether you wanna call meand you can find my info online
about that, or if you want to,uh, you know, reach out.

(51:07):
However, I would love to hearfrom you.
I don't, we don't have to makeyou know the same points and
have all the same things that weagree on, but I, I believe, um,
you know, it, it would bevaluable to get to know each of
the delegates before you knowthe votes on November 2nd.

audioKorbin11959015959 (51:24):
How can, how can people get in touch with
you?
What's the best way?

audioBrian21959015959 (51:29):
Um, call, text, email, all my stuff's on
the website, but, um,

audioKorbin11959015959 (51:33):
What is and what is

audioVinceSantini31959015959 (51:34):
It is a website.

audioBrian21959015959 (51:35):
at palmer angus.com.

audioKorbin11959015 (51:37):
palmer.com.

audioBrian21959015959 (51:38):
Yeah, I'm on social media too.
You can message me there,whatever.
Um, yeah, I, I, I'd love to hearfrom you and, uh, look forward
to having the opportunity.

audioJoeFischer41959015959 (51:49):
I'll say that, uh, online.
I met Brian through a guy, putout a shameless plug for me or
something like that, and, and wegot connected and Brian called
me immediately and or text meimmediately is what it was.
And.
Then, uh, picked up the phoneand that conversation was
exactly like this interview.
It was real, it was candid, itwas honest.

(52:12):
It was, it was truthful.
It was inspiring.
And I'm thankful.
And, um, I'm thankful forgetting to know you and I'm
thankful for you coming on thepodcast and I'm thankful for
you.
Devoting the time with a smallfamily, uh, to go and be willing
to serve our organization andour membership, Brian.
And, um, that's the one regret Ihave of being not on Logan's

(52:33):
interview, is I didn't get totell him the same because I
think that I've been, uh,afforded a privilege that maybe
is unfair of saying, you knowwhat?
My family's in a place and Idon't, um, I'm not gonna run
because I'm not ready for that.
And, and, um.
It's an incredible sacrificethat every board member with
families is making and, um, weshould all be thankful for that.

(52:56):
And I know that this group offour is for sure, and, and I
know Vince has some wrappingcomments of where you can find
some more information aboutBrian too, but.
Just wanted to make clear.
Um, thank you for making thatsacrifice.
Even if you don't get elected,it's taking an incredible amount
of time and energy, and I dothink it's had a real positive
effect regardless of what theoutcome is.
In November, there has been apositive movement for sure.

(53:19):
But go ahead, Vince.

audioVinceSantini31959015 (53:20):
Would agree.
Thank you for running and thankyou for taking the time to come
on here.
Um, I, I did kinda look up onFacebook'cause I saw it the
other day.
If you go to the Angus Journal,uh, Facebook page, and you may
have to scroll around a littlebit on there, but you can find
the, uh, all the candidatesinterviews.

audioKorbin11959015959 (53:41):
Are they individual on there?
Oh, okay.
That

audioVinceSantini31959015959 (53:44):
I, I, I think so.
Uh, there's a, there's.
A link under every, everyperson.
it may be the same link for allof'em.
I don't, no, there's a differentnumber at the end, everyone.
So they're all individual.
So yeah, you can go listen towhoever and whatever.
I, I encourage you to probablylisten to all of them, uh, even

(54:05):
the incumbents to see, you know,what they have to say and what
their stance is if they say muchat all.
Um, and,

audioKorbin11959015959 (54:12):
even be, well, we can talk off air, but
it may even be worthwhile for usto go share those on our, uh,
around the shoot page, thoseindividual interviews so that
people can get more information.
But, um, Brian, uh, I can'tthank you enough for your time.
Both with this podcast beingable to come on, so, so being so

(54:34):
flexible with us, um, we've kindof rolling on tight schedules.
It's hard to get four people onthe same page, but I really
appreciate you being flexibleand I appreciate your time.
Um, more than anything though, Iappreciate your perspective.
It's a fresh perspective.
It's something that's maybe alittle bit different.
Uh, you've got a little bitdifferent background than a lot
of the other candidates that Ithink would be, um.

(54:56):
It would be a net positive for aboardroom.
Um, so I guess if you guys don'thave anything else, thank you so
much Brian.
Uh, we'll be, uh oh.
Did you get your room?
Did you get your room, uh,booked

audioBrian21959015959 (55:10):
I have room.
Yes.

audioKorbin11959015959 (55:12):
so?
Uh, Josh is supposed to begetting ours, uh, booked.
I think Josh Eves and me aregoing to drive up together,

audioBrian21959015959 (55:18):
Oh, good.

audioKorbin1195901595 (55:19):
hopefully Josh

audioVinceSantini3195901595 (55:20):
Oh, Joe, are you gonna make it or
no?
You dunno.

audioJoeFischer41959015959 (55:25):
I don't know just yet.
Um, I really, really want to, Ihave a lot of travel to do this
fall, like a pile of it.
Um, so we just have to getthrough this sale, see where
we're at, and then, um, getdad's cows shipped outta the
mountains and those sort ofthings, which I've got an
incredible network of, ofhelpful people.
Um, we just got a lot of work toget done.

audioKorbin11959015959 (55:45):
All you gotta do is tell Abby, because
you were saying earlier howAbby, um, went and vaccinated.
And you were stead.
So all you gotta do is say, HeyAbby, we gotta get dad's cows
outta the mountains.
I gotta go to Kansas City.
You think she'd go for that?

audioJoeFischer41959015959 (55:59):
the one scapegoat I had is like, I
didn't have.
One other good bridal horse.
It's, that's, and like Abby's

audioKorbin11959015959 (56:06):
Oh yeah.

audioJoeFischer41959015959 (56:08):
Well then my cousin called me and he
is like, Hey, I got anotherhorse I need to send up to you.
Another really, really wellbroke one.
And so now I have no excuse.
Like they are perfectly allcapable without me.
I am unneeded at Bruin RanchNow.

audioKorbin11959015959 (56:20):
That's good.

audioVinceSantini319590 (56:21):
Corbin, did you see the sexy cover on

audioKorbin11959015959 (56:25):
I did, I did.
Uh, I wish, I wish this wasbefore his sale so we could talk
about, no, I don't really,really wanna go lot to lot, but
just talk about building thissale book and all that sort of
stuff.
But, um, listen guys, there youare not gonna guess what I'm
fixing to go watch on tv.
I'm fixing to go watch TCUwomen's volleyball.

audioJoeFischer41959015959 (56:48):
Hey, you know what?
I watched?
I watched the star of Lionessmeet with Pope Leo.
all over online.
She

audioVinceSantini319590159 (56:58):
That

audioJoeFischer41959015959 (56:58):
met with a Pope.
I was like, that's cool,

audioVinceSantini31959015 (57:01):
Yeah.
That's

audioKorbin11959015959 (57:01):
so, so this could be, Brian, do you, do
you watch sports?

audioVinceSantini31959015959 (57:05):
Oh no.
Let's why.

audioJoeFischer41959015 (57:08):
because he's the only listener we have
that listens to this crap.
That's why I want to hear aboutthe, I want to hear about the
Deebo

audioVinceSantini31959015 (57:16):
else.
Everybody else, just, everybodyelse just logged off.

audioKorbin11959015959 (57:20):
I just want to know, I just wanna know,
Vince, you don't have toparticipate, but do you have any
hot takes of, of where in, infour weeks, let's hear your hot
take on anything.
Sport, anything, anythingrelated on what's gonna be a
reality in four weeks.
That's not a reality today.
And we'll see if it even comesclose.

audioBrian21959015959 (57:39):
Oh.
That's a pretty dangerous topic.
I, it is not very hot, but I, Igrew up a Chicago Bears fan and
I think, we'll probably, I thinkwe'll be oh and six.

audioVinceSantini3195901595 (57:51):
Dub

audioKorbin11959015959 (57:51):
he says, oh, at six.
Oh at six, I think, I think, Ithink Caleb has a lot of skills
that, that we're not seeing yet.
But yeah, it's, it's,

audioBrian21959015959 (58:02):
We're, we're a pretty good place for
quarterbacks to go to

audioJoeFischer41959015959 (58:05):
I'll tell you what though, I've
learned a lot.
About Raiders fans and Bearsfans.
I mean, you guys are committed.

audioKorbin11959015959 (58:11):
You gotta be, you know, who's not
committed?
Cowboys me as me as a cowboysman, because I'm like 30 years,
man.
I don't care if we win or lose,I don't care.
I'm gonna watch,

audioJoeFischer41959015959 (58:23):
know what Jerry's doing.
That's it.

audioKorbin11959015959 (58:25):
Yeah, whatever.
So my hot take in four weeks,uh, TC u's gonna be undefeated.
That's what's gonna happen.

audioJoeFischer4195901595 (58:33):
Who's gonna hire Dabo Swee?

audioKorbin11959015959 (58:37):
Sorry, Renwick.
Y'all suck.

audioJoeFischer41959015959 (58:40):
I'm, was he wrong though?
He wasn't wrong in that pressconference, was he?

audioKorbin11959015959 (58:45):
No,

audioJoeFischer41959015959 (58:46):
No,

audioBrian21959015959 (58:47):
They're just mad.
They lost the tech.
Yeah.

audioKorbin11959015959 (58:49):
Just mad.
Yeah.
I actually watched that game.
But anyways, that, that'senough.
Um, that's enough.
Because this is

audioJoeFischer41959015959 (58:56):
but like two

audioKorbin11959015959 (58:56):
I watched

audioJoeFischer41959015959 (58:57):
we recorded, two weeks ago, we were
like, Hey, Clemson, losing'sgonna be old news by now.
It's still current.

audioKorbin11959015959 (59:04):
Yeah,

audioJoeFischer4195901595 (59:04):
still be current.
Sorry,

audioKorbin11959015959 (59:05):
they're gonna be two and six, be two and
six by the time this drops.
But, um, anyways, sorry.
Uh, sorry, sorry to you Vince.
I'm a sports fan.
I can't get enough of it.
So, um, yeah.
Brian, thank you so much.
If you guys.
are done, I'm done.

audioBrian21959015959 (59:24):
you.

audioVinceSantini319590159 (59:25):
take it away, Tim.
We will see you next time aroundthe shoot.