August 30, 2025 • 50 mins
This podcast features a discussion between the hosts and guest, Kelly Albrecht, a candidate for the AAA Board of Directors. Topics include transparency in the board meetings, the impact of environmental issues, and the need for improved data accuracy in genetic testing. Albrecht shares his background his viewpoints on the association's direction, and the importance of maintaining trust and profitability within the cattle industry.
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So we're sitting here having adiscussion on the words Joe
knows that we don't know.
And if you guys recall thewelcome to around the shoot.
By the way, how's everybodydoing?
How's everybody doing?
I'm good.
I'm good.
We've, we've got Kelly here, uh,Kelly Albrecht, and he's gonna,
he's gonna hang out with us fora little bit.
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But, but let's first talk about,um.
If you're gonna bring a word tothe table that, that you think
that your other co-host shouldknow, I believe that word has to
have a definition that's lessthan two sentences long, true or
false.
I, I mean, I don't know.
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I'm not very smart, so my, mythesaurus or whatever it is, is
not very big.
So do you want me to give you alist of big words?
Yeah.
I'm gonna give you the listright now.
The list of big words?
Yes.
The big words that I might sayduring this podcast.
Did you get your, yeah.
Did you get a text from Bo?
No, no, no.
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Yes you did.
Yes you did.
No.
What'd he say?
What'd he say?
You got a text from bolo.
Yes.
You did.
Yeah, but it might have beenincoherent.
He sent a, he sent a word andyou were supposed to look that
word up.
Oh, that word means like someonewho uses big words all the time,
and it's like, what's, say theword, uh.
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I sort of feel like the kid atthis spelling contest, it would
be like, I need to know theorigin of the word.
Yeah.
So this, to be able to pronounceit because payback for.
P Alien.
Yeah.
He didn't send it to me.
I feel left out.
Uh, thanks.
Well, he didn't, he only sent itto me because, uh, we were
talking about, uh, the podcastand he really enjoyed it.
Okay, so I intend to, to perhapssay, I might say the word
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transparency, if you need toGoogle that meant transparent,
trans, um, trans.
Now wait a minute.
Fight starts with a Q and all inCalifornia.
Trans words mean somethingdifferent than they in Tennessee
and Oklahoma.
Yep.
I'm gonna get canceled again.
Documentation.
Documentation, that's, that haslike three syllables if you
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clap.
Documentation does, that's waymore than three, four.
And it might hit document.
I don't even know what's, Ican't even, what's on the table
and what's off with you guysanymore?
It's all game.
It's all fair game.
Mute it.
And you guys roll.
How about that?
No, there he is.
PC Patrick's coming back out.
You're gonna be the animal thattakes this whole thing over.
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You know what?
The listeners, I, I wanna saysomething though real quick.
Uh, just from Brooke Miller, thefirst interview that kicked off
of these Angus Board of Directorcandidates, super popular.
Absolutely.
I mean, we've had more downloadsin the past week than we've had
in a long, long time, and it'sjust skyrocketing.
So thank you listeners for, forspending time with us and
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getting to know thesecandidates.
I really want to thank thecandidates for taking the time
to be super open and letting usget to know them.
And it's funny because.
None of the candidates have saidthis, but we've said amongst
each other, you know, like, howcan we ask the right questions
and how can we do this or that?
Really it's about just gettingto know these people.
You know, that's, that's whatright to me guys, that's what
the membership wants.
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They want to know who theirdirector is.
And then once you know who theyare, you can live on the fact
that maybe they'll make adecision every once in a while
that's different than what youwould've done.
But if you know them and youtrust them and you respect them
and their operation, then youknow that their, your best
interest is always at the top oftheir mind.
Um, that's right.
So I, I thought, uh, episode onewas a big hit.
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I'm really, really excited aboutepisode two.
They did not tune in to hear.
Us three dudes talk about my useof appropriate words and your
lack of understanding.
And so you could Googleunderstanding too if you want.
Uh, Gordon, why don't you leadin our guest really, really
excited about this one and, andI want to hear more about his
program and, and learn about ittoo.
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Well, I'm excited to, uh,welcome Kelly Albrecht into the
Around the Shoot podcast.
This is our, this is nowofficially our second guest.
And so, uh, uh, I think we'vehad 20 something maybe.
How many, how many episodes havewe had?
15.
15, uh, 15, 15 episodes.
And we're on our second guest,so I think we're doing pretty
good on, uh, we haven't met ourquote yet.
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I think we get to do this a fewtimes.
We've earned the, uh, we'veearned the right to interview a
couple people and get to knowsome people.
And this is a perfectopportunity because the board of
directors.
Seats are coming open andthere's a vote if you hadn't
heard that's coming up.
And, uh, all the delegates from,from every state are supposed to
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get together in Kansas City thefirst weekend in November.
And, uh, I'm excited to welcomein.
Kelly Albrecht, uh, he's gonnabe on the ballot, uh, without
further ado.
How's it going?
Kelly, tell us a little bitabout yourself.
Real good.
And I wanna thank you guys for,for inviting me to come on here
Corbin and, and Vince and Joe.
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Um, really appreciate that.
Well, I grew up in southernUtah., we run on, oh BLM and
Forest Service out there.
We run on 40 square miles of BLMand then we trailed those cows
70 miles to the forest servicein the summer.
And, uh, so we set on a horsesix days a week.
I went to college in, SouthernUtah University in Cedar City,
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Utah.
I worked at the sale barn downthere and I, I got to order
buying cattle and, buying ropingsteers and calves and leasing
them out and Done some leasing,some cutting, cutting cattle out
that went to Las Vegas anddifferent events.
And so that's kind of how I gotstarted.
My dad gave me my first cow whenI was five years old.
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And when I graduated from highschool, I had about, uh, I'd put
a together about 30 head ofcows.
And, uh, that's kind of how Igot my start.
And then, I ended up buying oneof my brothers out and,, me and
my other brother and my dad runcows for a while.
And then we bought my dad outand we run it for quite a while.
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And then in 2002, um, we soldout and me and my wife moved to
Oklahoma.
We didn't know anybody We movedout here and bought a ranch.
We kind of got tired of fightingwith, the government over
different issues.
We run about 400 commercial andregistered cows out here.
And, we have a bull cell everyyear in February and.
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I partner with Jeff Penns and,we have the presidents today in
SEL every February.
So that's, that's awesome.
I think, I think sometimes ittakes a entire family move to
really kind of jumpstart,jumpstart your imagination and
just to reinvigorate life foryou.
So what was it like, you know,you've got a young daughter, I
think you had, did you have oneor two daughters by then?
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And then you're moving.
We had two daughters when wemoved out here in 2002.
Uhhuh.
Yeah.
And you're moving, you're movingcross country and you're a young
family.
Um, that's, that has to be thebest decision you ever made,
huh?
Well, at the time, my wifewasn't real thrilled.
But, she come and, we were justlooking for private land and,
you know, people don'tunderstand,, the pressure,
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running cattle on governmentland and, you know, all that
goes with that.
I mean, my grandpa.
Had cleaned out some ponds witha horse and scraper, and, the
government would, you know, it'dtake you five years to go in and
clean up, you know, to fix thatpond, you know, to get an
environmental impact.
Study an Indian artifact study,an endangered species study.
I think the nepa, I think therewas five of'em, I can't
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remember, but it, it was a fiveyear process to go fix a pond
that had been, you know, washedout or whatever.
And,, There's, there's a lot tohave private ground and, be your
own.
Yeah.
It's a different world, youknow, it's, it's a different
world.
It's a lot different here thanit was out there for sure.
Yeah.
Kelly, are, are your girlsinvolved at the ranch?
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No, they're not.
Um, my oldest daughter's, uh, weactually got two gr group, two
granddaughters now, so Oh, wow.
Uh, she's married and, and livesin Utah and my.
My second oldest, Carly, she'sgetting married, uh, the end of
the month here.
Oh, congratulations.
That's awesome.
Yeah.
So, Kelly, for me, before wemove on to this, uh, to talking
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more about you as a candidate,um, I'm curious, who's your
customer?
So you move that far.
I mean, do you still sell a lotof bulls back out into those
permit type country people?
You obviously expanded, we sella lot of bulls, um, into Utah,
um, New Mexico back, you know,back in the west.
We try to raise a lot of ourcattle.
For that high elevation outthere.
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Um, we pap tested all of themand the start of my herd
actually come from Grand Mesa,Colorado, and they were all pap
tested.
And uh, so yeah, we do send alot of, lot of bulls back, uh,
west.
So we breed a little differentthan maybe most breeders.
I mean, we try to, you know.
Keep them cattle a little moremoderate, maybe, um, thick,
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deep, easy, doing kind of cattlewith some base width and, that
can get out and travel, andstill,, have the mothering
ability.
Um, we just like those.
Easy doing cattle that, youknow, will work in any
environment.
Um, those big hard doing cattleout there, just wouldn't breed
back.
And, they have to have goodfeet, good legs, and be able to
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move.
They absolutely have to be ableto travel.
They have to be able to.
Yeah.
You know, a lot of times they'regoing a long way to water, so I
mean it's, it's, it's a lot ofmovement in one day.
So, um, but yeah.
So, so now we, we fast forwardto today.
It is August and you've decidedto run for the American Angus
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Association Board of Directors.
I mean, that has to be, I wouldlike to know what made you come
to that decision?
Well, well that's kind of a hottopic there, but, um.
I had a lot of guys asking me,um, I tried to get some other
guys to run, honestly.
I never really aspired to be onthe board.
But I, I think when you start,Admitting, I guess basically to,
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in my mind, that cattle are aproblem.
I think, uh, we're going in thewrong direction.
Um, I, I believe in climatechange.
I think it's been changingsince, man came here.
But I don't think cattle are aproblem with the climate.
If we need to.
Look at climate change, weprobably need to look at some of
these wildfires out west andmaybe the management of the
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government, you know, and why,why they're so big.
Or maybe go down to Dallas andmeasure the temperature on a
concrete down there.
Um, you know, uh, there,there's, there's several things
that I think.
Maybe causing climate change orglobal warming, if that's what,
that's where we're trying to gowith this.
But if, if cows were a problem,Buffalo should have been a
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problem a long time ago.
'cause there's a lot morebuffalo than there are cows.
I want you guys to write thisdown.
Methane makes up 0.00017 of theatmosphere.
That's 1.7 parts per million.
So we're being asked to spendmillions of dollars in my mind
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for something that's bullshit.
It cycles out in a decade.
So what are we spending millionsof dollars for on this?, It just
doesn't make any sense to me.
I just don't believe that Bezosis in this for the right
reasons.
Um, I have a hard time withthis.
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Maybe it's the transparencypart.
We still don't know exactly,what was signed where this deal
went.
I would like to keep this goingfor my son, and that's why I
stepped in the ring.
I think, this is basicallyletting the cat out of the bag
and we can't put it back in.
And, once you open that door, isit gonna be.
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The vaccination or is it gonnabe fake meat?
I mean, where are we going withthis?
And, I'm really disappointed Iguess, in where the board went
with this and, and maybe it'sjust because I don't have all
the information, but we haven'tseen that and I'd sure like to
see it You hate to see somethingyou love.
Take a direction that you feelis not.
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Becoming of what?
Of what lifestyle that youenjoy.
So I, I mean, I think that mostpeople understand your
frustration and where thatfrustration comes from.
Um, and so I think that when youmake the decision to run, um, I
think what you're saying topeople is, is, man, I, I want to
help y'all out and I want, Iwant to do things that are the
right way because obviously you,you've told me and you've told
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both of these guys that you hadno interest in running whatever,
you never would ever want to bein this position.
No, I, I don't, but I, I thinkthe Angus Association needs a
turn,?
And, I think there needs to besome guys with,, some common
sense on there and, and youknow, being, be able to, to do
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what the producers need and thecommercial cow calf, the guy
needs absolutely.
I'm excited to get to know youmore as we, we answer more
questions here, Kelly, because Idon't think that your worldview
is a common one in mostboardrooms.
Um, these guys gave me hell forsaying big words, but that's my
worldview.
Kelly.
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My worldview is big permitcountry and it is dealing with
entities that are constantlylevying more and more things on
top of you and suffocating you.
And you're kind like, and then,uh, you know, there's a study on
sage grouse just come out andthere's studies on spotted owls
and we, we battled both of thosethings when I was a kid and, um.
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Now they're saying cattlegrazing is beneficial to that.
And we're going, gosh, we knewthat all along, but what about
the family farms that werehammered in the meanwhile?
And so, right.
I think the perspective you'retrying to share is one that is
important to have in boardroomswhere somebody who has
experienced these things whosaid, I've been at the rooftop
screaming this is not an issue,and then have'em back to me 20
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years later and say, oh yeah, bythe way, it wasn't an issue.
Um, I mean, is that kind ofwhere.
Does that make sense to you?
Well, it's Joe.
I mean, you've been out in thatbig country and you know what
the wolves are doing now.
Oh my God.
I mean, look, look at thedestruction they're doing with
the, you know, the deer, theelk, we all know that was a bad
idea.
Um, you know, how many cattleare they killing?
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I mean, horses, you know, allthe livestock that they're
killing sheep, everything.
Um, you know, anybody with anycommon sense know it was a bad
idea.
But here we are.
But there's a lot of goodcattlemen, Kelly, there's a lot
of them that never got vocalabout this issue until it's
reached critical mass, becausethey never thought it would be
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an issue for them.
And I think that's, a lot ofthese issues are the, the, the
problem is, is the governmentcomes in and tells you, oh, it's
gonna be okay.
And oh, that, you know, the, thewolves aren't gonna be a problem
killing livestock.
You know, oh, we're gonna, youknow it in, in our right where
we run cows in the winter there.
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I mean, we had buffalo.
On the Henry Mountains and,there's just so many issues with
the buffalo.
I mean, the buffalo are terriblefor the, for the grass.
I mean, most people don't knowthis, but, like when a buffalo
walks in sandy ground, they walkin a straight line.
Every buffalo walks in astraight line.
Cows zigzag when they walk,buffalo walk in a straight line.
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And when that, when they walkedthrough sandy ground, where we
had our cows in the winter.
They walk while they're eatingand they'll pull up the grass by
the roots, and they walk in astraight line.
Well, Buffalo are hard on sandyground where we run our cows in
the winter.
I mean, they pull up all ofthat, Indian rice grass and
stuff.
And so anyway, it, it's a bigproblem in the fish and game out
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there.
They're supposed to count andhave 400 buffalo, well they have
800 buffalo or, you know,whatever it is.
They just ruin the ground andthey tear up the water and stuff
like that.
And people don't understand likehow big a deal that is to, to
ranchers and because they'venever been there and they've
never seen the impacts of, youknow, what goes on.
Um, and the government's notalways in your best interest.
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And a lot of these outsideentities are definitely not.
I think you just, the SierraClub, the Wilderness Alliance,
you know, all of this, all ofthese outside entities are.
They're terrible for thelivestock industry for sure.
I think you just perfectlydescribed our relationship as
well.
I don't know if we're themajority, I don't know, but
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it's, it's our, our collectiveus for for sure.
And I know a lot of otherpeople, our, that's sort of our
philosophy, is we are the peopleand then the American Angus
Association is the government.
I feel like in a lot of waysthey're acting on our behalf and
telling us what we need andwhat's better.
But just like what you'retalking about, it kind of turns
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into what it's turned into, um,where you don't feel like you're
heard.
And so that's why we're here.
That's why you're here.
I think there's a lot of membersthat feel that way, you know,
they're just not being heardand, and they don't, you know,
they don't feel like they have avoice anymore.
And, I kind of see where they'recoming from and we'd like to,
we'd sure like to maketransparency, a lot better and,
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maybe put zoom in the boardroomsand see what we could do to help
with transparency for sure.
I think that, uh, if you polledeveryone, I think that would be
the number one problem istransparency.
And I think you've mentioned onegood way of fixing it is.
Is to just make the board room,the, the meetings public.
I think that's something wecould do.
That's pretty simple.
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But, um, I think that if, if theright person got in there, like,
you know, if Kelly re, if KellyAlbrecht's a board member, I
don't think Kelly Albrecht hasany problem telling people
what's going on in those boardmeetings.
No, I mean, I think all themembers should be able to, you
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know, say just what we'retalking about, either Zoom or be
able to read the minutesafterwards.
Um, I don't know whatever needsto happen to bring the
membership back in theboardroom, maybe even video.
I.
Maybe could even video it andplay it, you know, have it
recorded or have the whole thingrecorded so you could watch the
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whole thing.
Absolutely.
So, you know, we've talked a lotabout some of the transparency
stuff and, and making somechanges.
And I'm kind of just going downthe list and I don't wanna make
this official, but I think thiscould open up to you talking for
a little bit.
What is AAA's job?
What do you think their roleshould be for all of us?
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Uh,, to protect and promote theAngus Breed., That means
genetics, data integrity, membersupport.
I don't think it should beinvolved in environmental
lobbying carbon markets ormethane reduction schemes.
Actually.
I think our focus should be onprofitability, you know, for the
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commercial cattle guy and,empowering breeders to guide the
breed's future.
What are, uh, what are yourthoughts on, I don't know.
One that we get from a lot ofmembers is about the genomic
world and who owns data and whodoesn't, and, and, uh.
A shift towards productiontraits and not a sh stay on the
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cutting edge.
What are your thoughts in kindof that space and having cattle
that.
I know that you genomic testyour cattle, um, or some of
them, and I know that you runbulls out to big country.
Um, how do you feel about thatwhole scene and, and direction
of breed improvement within thebreed?
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Well, I mean,, I think thegenomics are a good thing.
I mean, I think we're a longways from, you know.
Having'em be accurate?
Honestly, Joe, um, I, I think wegot a long ways to go.
I mean, you know, every year Ithink it's gonna get better.
As far as the genomics go, Idon't think that the Angus
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Association ought to be able tosell our, uh, genomic, you know,
a GI ought to be able to sell itor.
Or give that out without thebreeders, um, boating on it or
having, having some kind of,knowledge of where it's going,
you know, be able to boat onwhat they're doing with the
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data.
Um, so, I believe the genomicsare a good thing, honestly.
I mean, I think for, for longterm,.
I think it's gonna be good forthe breed,, I think we need to
work more on getting thataccuracies is where it needs to
be, honestly.
Because I mean, I've seen, uh,I'll give you an example, we got
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a book called Checkered Flag,uh, that we sold in our sale a
couple years ago.
Like, I'd have to look.
But anyway, he scanned a 6.24Joe on IMF.
All right.
This was his ax, actual, theyadjusted him to a 6.1.
Actual IMF.
Where do you think the data ison that bull?
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Well, I would probably cheat andsay he probably comes from a
Paxton, so line.
Uh, yeah, well, he, he goes backto Charlo, so, yep.
So I will tell you that I didsome early, I'm, I'm, I'm
answering this in a way,roundabout way, which if you've
listened to our podcast, youknow, I do.
Um, and, and I had the owner,one of the owners of a son of
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Charlo, actually.
Think I was on the reverse ofthis subject, but I've been on
this Paxton thing for a longtime.
Back in the identity, onethrough 10 days when that was
all that we had.
Um, I think it was called the 384 test or the 3 48 test or
something like that.
I don't remember.
But there were so many traits.
I had a lot of cattle.
I had some of the very firstpaxton's ever born, and they
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were super high for marbling onthat test.
But then as more and more datacame in for some reason.
Those cattle got pounded downand we actually see in the
phenotypes of those cattle whenwe've harvested cattle here that
they marble incredibly well.
And so I would say that the dataon your checkered flag bull is
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that he is well below breedaverage, probably in the bottom
25%, and the actual phenotypesof the bull in his offspring are
gonna be very contrary to thatdata.
Well, he's right at a zero for,for IMF.
And we, and, and I, I guess thisis, this is my problem with
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genomics is because the oldergenetics are not what they
should be.
And I talked to our Angus repand, uh., Basically told me
that, you know, because he isolder genetics.
That's why he is like that.
Well, to me that's a bullshitdeal because you know, if it's
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right, it's right.
If the, if, if the genomics areright, it should be straight up.
I would agree.
And, you know, whether, whether,and I think that's an
opportunity, whether the oldgenetics, whether they're new to
genetics, it shouldn't matter.
That's an opportunity you justhighlighted though.
I wanna pull it out so thatlisteners hear it.
But the opportunity is, let'sget it right.
Let's get it right.
Let's work on that.
Hundred percent.
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Let's get it right.
There's some cattle out therethat marble that a number says
they don't.
Let's get it right.
I mean, well, well, well, here'smy problem with it, Joe, is so
we use some, some highermarbling bulls in our cell every
year to try to draw the Texascrowd, because the Texas crowd
is a little different.
I mean, they use.
They use a lot of these highermarbling cattle on, you know,
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some crossbred cows to get'em,you know, to grade.
And I get that.
I mean, I understand that whole,the whole deal.
And, and so we use some highermarbling genetics, but we had
some in our catalog that sameyear they scanned a, a.
Less than a 3.5.
I can't remember what it was,but right outta 3.5 was their
scan.
Their actual scan, and they'reover a 1.5 marbling.
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So you tell me how that works.
In the same catalog, the samecattle, the only thing that was
different was their pedigreesand then the marketplace.
There's been a lot ofdifferentiation and value
between those numbers too.
Which I'm sure frustrating.
That's what I'm saying.
I mean, but, but the actual scandata doesn't match the genomics,
and that's the problem I have.
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Yep.
I I They don't don't the actualscan data to be because they're
older genetics to put into that,that figure.
And it's harming the breed.
Absolutely.
It is.
Well, uh, I think it's, it'svery evident that.
Up until now, the members of theAmerican Inc Association have
been pretty quiet.
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Um, I think when the delegatevoting comes up, a lot of us
more, were pretty, uh, I can behonest and say that, that this
is the first year that I've evereven voted.
Uh, I never, I never reallyassociated, I never really knew
a lot of people on the delegatelist anyways.
And, um, I've never been toKansas City for the.
For the convention.
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So it's just tough for me to getaway.
It's tough for me to feel likeI'm involved, but I think it's
time for a change.
How do, but how do we get, howdo we get the membership to be
the opposite of how I was, thatwas, uh, that was not engaged?
How do we get the membershipinvolved?
Um.
That's a great question.
I mean, h how, how do you getthe members more involved?
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I wonder if they think theydon't have a voice., Anymore.
It's kind of been the same groupof people that,, year after year
get,, as delegates and, yeah.
Uh, so, you know.
Do they think they're wastingtheir time, even voting?
I mean, I, I don't know.
I just think people get busy.
Um.
They think the AngusAssociation's got their best
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interest at hand.
They don't pay any attention toit, honestly.
I?
If you get, um, if you getelected, and something like this
methane deal was to come across,would you be willing to stand up
and say no if you didn't believein it?
Absolutely.
Good.
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Yeah, well, I, I mean, and, andmaybe some people did it Sure
didn't look like it with aunanimous deal, but, um, I, I
know that is on a lot ofpeople's minds.
You know, if whoever we getelected in there, if they're
willing to stand up, and say,look, this is not right.
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Yeah, I have no problem standingup and doing the right thing.
I mean, I think Corbin's knownme long enough to know that, but
Absolutely, absolutely.
I think, I think that we can alltrust that this is something, if
something goes down, first off,I don't think Kelly would be
scared to, to tell people whatwent down in the boardroom.
I don't think there would be anyof this, silence coming outta
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the boardroom.
I, I think we would hear fromyou.
We would know exactly what wenton in there.
And I think that we need moretransparency like that.
That's just, it's, I'd love tosugarcoat everything that's gone
on, but, but trans, just sometransparency and some honesty
would really solve a lot of ourproblems.
It's pretty simple that, that'swhat I don't get about this
whole deal is, is if this wassuch a good deal for, for the
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cattlemen, um, the members ofthe American Angus Association,
the commercial cattlemen.
Why aren't these guys out thereevery week jumping up on the
stump saying, look, this is thefive reasons that it's a good
idea for the industry, for theAmerican Angus Association, for
the Commercial Cattlemen.
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This is what we did here withthis Bezos.
Money is a good idea and it'sgonna, it's gonna be profitable
for all of you guys.
If this was such a good idea,why aren't we hearing about this
like.
Uh, I guess that's my questionand I think it's, it's kind of
the tip of the iceberg too.
I mean, this is just sort ofwhat's kind of got our eyes
open, but I think there's somuch more stuff going on and,
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and, and there's going to bemore issues like this in the
future.
And, uh, ultimately we need tohave some, some say we need to
have some tra, we need to knowwhat's going on in there.
And I think that that's all wecan ask from, from the people
running on for the board is, isman, just communicate with us.
Right.
I agree.
So Kelly, I got one that, uh,you know, this isn't a prepared
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question or anything, but Ithink you can answer it just in
a conversation here.
I mean, you get elected, um,have a convention, have a good
turnout, everything, uh, goesthe way you've intended and, uh,
you get elected and then we'resitting here a year from now.
What would it look like thatyou'd call it a real big success
that you got on the board?
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How would you feel?
Really, really good and like youhad a big positive impact.
What, what are some things thatwould've transpired or, or not?
Or, you know, I don't know.
You kind of get where I'm goingwith this.
Um.
Well, just kind of going back towhat we just talked about, I
would say, you know, to me, Iwould like to get the older
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genetics back, and I don't knowhow the formulas work at a GI, I
don't know, you know, anything.
But, we've got to get back tothe, you know, just because
they're older genetics doesn'tmean they're not good.
And I, to me, that that's a bigdeal because it, it affects our
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profitability.
And I get that the way thesystem's set up that, They set
it up to sell more cattle.
I get that.
I a hundred percent, you know,the new genetics, we gotta keep
moving, you know.
But to me, I think I wouldreally like to see, the genomics
be more accurate in all cattle,whether they're older genetics,
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whether they're younger,genetic, it shouldn't matter to
me.
Um, I, I just think that thatneeds to get.
A lot more accurate.
And I don't know exactly how todo that because I haven't been
in the boardroom, but that wouldbe a success for me.
That would be one of the thingsthat I, I would call a success.
Now, the transparency thingwould be, you know, for sure I,
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you know, I'd, I'd love to seethe transparency, um, if I can
help with that.
Um, if we could get it, on Zoomor,, something like that., I
think that would be, a big dealfor me.
Um.
Man, I, I just, I also thinkthat we need to look at the
environmental issues, theoutside money.
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Um.
Man, that's a not a good deal,if it's against the cattle, you
know, producers mine and yours.
Bottom line is, is the way I seeit and this Bezos money is a bad
deal and I don't know if there'sanything I could do to fix that
or that, that would be a successfor me too.
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So.
I think that's well said.
You guys have another one,Corbin.
You know, I think, uh.
What I really appreciate aboutyou is how you're not afraid to
bring that worldview and thatuniqueness of how you guys
produce cattle and how you wereraised.
And you're humble enough to knowthat you don't have all the
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answers, but you do have yourperspective and your opinion
which matters.
And I appreciate that.
Kelly.
I got, I got one other questionthat's not on the list.
Uh, throw a curve ball at you.
I'm guessing you run this byyour wife.
Um.
What'd she say when you said,Hey, should I run for the board?
Or, or did she say, you bettergo run for the board and protect
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our investment?
Or what did that process looklike?
She's like, have you thoughtabout this?
She is a bad idea.
She's, and, and, and I, I mean,I understand that, we're kind of
jumping in the fire on this dealbecause there's a lot going on.
There's a lot of emotion.
Um.
There's a lot of mad commercialguys.
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There's a lot of registered guysthat aren't very happy with,
what's going on, and, um.
You know, I did run it by mywife.
Um, she thought I'd lost my mindprobably, but she, she backs
whatever, what, whatever Iwanted to do.
And she said, you know, I'll,I'll stand with you and do
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whatever it takes and, we'll,we'll try to make this deal
work.
So, you know, you had mademention about these commercial
guys being mad and, um, you andI had talked, uh, before on the
phone about.
And, and not only, you had heardit from some other people about,
um, a lot of these commercialguys saying that they're not
gonna run Angus Bulls.
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Do you think that can becorrected?
Oh, absolutely, I do.
You know,, we watched whathappened to Bud Light.
Um, you know, and I definitelyhave heard some commercial guys
mention that.
And, uh, you know, that's,that's a black eye to the Angus
Association.
Honestly.
I mean, you know, I've had somecommercial guys call me and say
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that they're gonna buy herfordbulls.
Um, I've had one guy call me andsaid that he is gonna buy, uh,
balancers some Plat Vy bull.
Um, they're not happy and, it'sgonna affect our bottom line.
I don't know what it's gonna do,to these bull cells in the
spring, but, uh, I definitelythink, you know, there's gonna
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be an effect.
I don't know, you know, howmuch, and I actually think, I
want to chime in a littlebecause I think I've, when I've
had this same conversation,Kelly with.
Either past board members orcurrent board members.
It's kinda like, um, nobody saidthis directly to me, but it's
inferred.
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Uh, Vince, look up the wordinferred because I know you
won't know the definition, but,um, sorry, I had to.
Mm-hmm.
But.
It's like we're scared.
It's like a guy like me isscared about what's gonna happen
to my market.
Share whatever it, it's notabout me being scared about
Brewing Ranch or Kelly Alrichbeing scared about, you know,
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Alrich Angus.
It's more about those guys puttheir trust in our products and
they put our, their trust in ourword and who we are, and they
will.
The only reason they're still inbusiness is on principle,
frankly, especially out west.
And those are heavily principledpeople that when they feel
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crossed or not supported.
Kelly, you've run them permitdeals.
Yep.
You've been in bars out West.
It's different.
Yep.
Is it not?
Oh, a hundred percent.
But you know, out there the.
You look a guy in in the eye andshake his hand, it means
something.
And you know these guys trustthe Angus Association.
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Basically.
You know what I see?
What happened is they admittedthat cattle were a problem.
With taking this Bezos money.
And that's the way thecommercial guys see it.
They, you know, basically theAngus Association, the big
association in the countryadmitted that Angus cattle are a
problem.
And now me and you and everybodyelse that has Angus cattle an
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any cattle for that matter havegot, you know, for the rest of
our lives, we're gonna be doingsomething, trying to negate what
they did.
So.
I think you've done a good jobsharing with us who you are and,
and what you stand for.
Um, I think the things thatyou've shared have resonated
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with a large portion of themembership, especially the folks
that we see reaching out online.
But I think that there's morethere and I think that, uh.
I'd really encourage folks toreach out to Kelly.
Um, we're not gonna put yourphone number on here'cause you
might get weird calls'cause whoknows what kind of listeners
this, this deal.
But, but you could do aninternet search.
(36:00):
Um.
You know, Kelly, maybe, maybeshare your website where people
can go and find your info.
It's, it's, yeah, it's alrichranch.com, so that's a very
easy, my phone number's onthere.
Um, I'd be glad to hear from youanytime.
You know, and, and that's, I'vebeen, anybody's got any
questions?
I'm sorry to cut you off.
I, I've enjoyed thoseconversations with you, things
like that.
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Um, you know, what you'll getwith Kelly is a guy who straps
these boots on every day andgoes to work and takes care of
cows and knows commercialcattlemen, knows his own cows,
and knows what it liked to, toraise cattle out west.
And so I, uh, I was one of thoseguys though, Kelly, that didn't
listen to the call.
You know, um, you know, you, youtalked to us about a lot of
people saying, please run.
And, and I appreciate you.
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Prioritizing that for, for someof us who can't feel like we're
there yet.
Um, and it's, it's a bold moveand I'm thankful for you and I'm
thankful for a lot of the othercandidates.
And, um, is there, is thereanything else you want to add,
or, or your, your info will bein the journal too, correct?
Yeah.
Yes.
It'll be in the journal and, Ijust like to, go back to, what
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you said.
If anybody's got any questionson,, how I feel and, you know,
I'm not gonna sugarcoat it.
You might not like what I'mgonna tell you.
But, um, I will definitely tellyou what I think and, uh, you
know, Anytime I will definitelybe transparent with, uh, anybody
on, on any issue or you know,what's going on.
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So I mean.
At anytime, if I do get electedor if I don't, I mean, I'd, I'd
love to hear from you.
That's, I think that's thegreatest thing with it, you
know, being a part of the AngusAssociation is the friends you
meet and the relationships youmake.
And, you know, it's, it's a,it's about good cattle, but it's
also about really good people.
And you meet, you meet a lot ofreally good people.
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Um.
Most of my best friends are,, inthe cattle business.
And, it's a family deal and, Ithink we all just need to work
on, better cattle keeping ourword and keeping Angus cattle
first, so, yeah.
Absolutely.
Well, I would like to say thankyou for running and I would also
like to thank you for coming onhere as well.
(38:11):
Well, thanks Vince.
I appreciate that and I, I, Iappreciate you guys' time for
sure.
Yeah, hopefully next time, uh,hopefully next time we get to
have a chat with you.
It's, it's, uh, after a boardmeeting or, or, you know,
putting into practice some ofthe stuff that, that we are all
so excited to, to do.
I mean, I think we would alllove to be able to hear you
after a board meeting, tell usexactly what went on in there.
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I mean, I, I think it'd be abreath, fresh air.
And I think that Kelly's,Kelly's the type of person
that's gonna be that breath offresh air for, for us, when we
need it.
So, Kelly, uh, I can't thank youenough for coming on And for
running.
And, hopefully everything goeslike it's supposed to.
Thanks Corbin.
I, well, that was fun and Iappreciate Kelly Albert coming
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on and, and, uh, sitting andchatting with us.
So what have you guys been doingthis week?
It's so hot outside here.
November by at 10:00 AM at 10:00AM The past couple days it's
been 102.
Feels like it's like you can't,you go outside and then you're
just sweating like what the,when is it gonna cool off?
(39:19):
When does it.
Oh, I hate.
So what, what do you guys thinkabout the people that say that?
Um, they say that a hundreddegrees is better than 32
degrees.
That is stupid.
I think they're stupid.
They're very stupid.
They would rather be, it'd be115 than 32.
That is, yes.
Yeah, but who is that?
They, they not they, them.
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Just they, there's, there's somesilly people out there that
prefer No, I mean, I like nothaving to feed cows, but at the
same time, I'd rather feed cowsthan die.
When I walk outside.
They're not, uh, they'redefinitely not working outside.
Have you, have you not had thiscool front that we had last
week, Corby?
No.
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It's, it's, it's, it's, Iwould've thought you would've
had it maybe four or five daysbefore me.
No, it's almost like I walkoutside and I pull my pants down
and I'm sitting right on thesun.
Bare ass.
Yeah, that's what it feels likeoutside.
It's unbelievably hot.
It's, I mean, you walk rightoutside and you break out into a
sweat just stepping out thedoor.
(40:24):
I mean, it's, it's eight 30right now and it's, um, well
first off, the height day was104.
Real, and it was like 118 feelslike, yeah, but it was, yeah.
So dumb.
But it's, it's 93 and feels like1 0 6 and it's dark outside.
Oh, it's only 83 here.
It feels like 88.
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93 Feels like 1 0 6 at 8:30 PMJoe, what you got?
I don't know.
I haven't looked it up.
I was busy looking at somethingelse here, but it has been so
doggone nice here.
I feel embarrassed even tellingyou guys.
I think it says it's 81 rightnow.
It's been kind of breezy.
Uh, last week was tough.
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Last week was hot.
Hot.
It was miserable.
And we are calving right now.
Um, Calvin, you said Calvin, yousaid, why did you say calving?
Did you say calving?
Did you say Joe?
What babies are you having?
Yeah.
Legions.
You any legions?
I haven't had a baby yet.
Um, yeah.
The cows, no, we don't have anylegions'cause we never got semen
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in time.
Whatever.
I got it there right away.
Lickety split.
Yeah.
But that would've been if wewere having 1st of September AI
dates.
And so yes, you did get it therein time.
Um, but we do not have anylegions, two sisters to Legion
Cab though.
And they're pretty sporty.
They're pretty sporty.
Um, went down to dad'syesterday.
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There's a ton of fellows downthere and a ton of Gatsby's,
which those are broom bulls.
Um.
Yeah.
Uh, I don't know.
I don't know.
I have a, would you guys callme?
You call me.
Pissy Pete or something a secondago.
Oh, that's pretty good.
It was pissy Patrick, though.
Pissy Patrick.
But you could be pissy Pete,whatever it was, he was piss.
(42:10):
But that was be, that was beforewe came on and interviewed
Kelly.
But now that we're afterwards,I'm, I'm just really, you're
feeling it, you're feeling it.
He's in a, a better mood now.
He is.
I'm, I already have thisreputation with, with I know
another person.
Did you run outta coffee?
Another person?
Is that why you're starting tobe PCP again?
Maybe.
Yes.
(42:30):
Okay.
Whatever.
Um, I just like my own stuff.
I don't even know if it'sbetter.
I don't even know, you know,they, it just meets my eye more.
Um, these influence daughtershave caved and.
Yeah.
There's no surprises with them.
They're exactly what theythought they'd be.
And I'm not saying they're gonnabe earth movers or anything, but
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they're just nice cattle.
They, they look exactly likeinfluence's.
Mom.
Did the fellows look exactlylike fellow's mom did?
Um, I mean, I just, I don'tknow.
It's, it is interesting becausewon't this, this banter will be
after Kelly.
Yeah, yeah.
Or no.
So in that interview, we talkeda lot about a lot of different
things.
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Um, I wanna say that I've been alittle bit lately exhausted
about some of the quote, cuttingedge genus talk.
It doesn't excite me to thinkabout the new hot young sis
anymore.
I agree.
I just like screw all thatstuff.
Give me something.
Gimme some Neapolitan ice cream.
That's what I want, Vince.
(43:31):
I do like that.
I do like that simple.
Black, white, pink, differentflavors that correspond to the
colors.
I don't need the very JerryCherry, Rocky road like, you
know, super troopers.
Yeah.
I don't need, I don't need apineapple pizza.
I mean, I do like pineapple.
(43:53):
I like pineapple and momentum.
What do you just put pineappleon your pizza?
I don't need any of that.
But what I'm just saying islike, I just want cattle to get
back to the basics and don'tcause many problems.
And, and a lot of my own cattledo that.
A lot of my friend's cattle dothat.
A lot of the really exciting hotglitz and glamor stuff, guys,
I'm gonna let someone else provethat stuff from now on.
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It's expensive.
Um, and that's not evenconsidering all the, uh, sort
that comes along with themcattle, um, you know, honestly,
some of our cleanup, sire aredoing a great job here.
Those calves look good.
Um, kids have been helping quitea bit, so that's been fun.
Um, did they go back to school?
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Well, yeah, but they go tohomeschool.
Yeah, but they're having tostart back.
Yeah.
So we're trying to figure outhow they can come with me in the
mornings and then midday whenit's hot, maybe they'll do some
schoolwork or something just sothat they're involved more in
the operation.
Um, I think this, uh, this fallwe're gonna be helping down at
my dad's quite a bit more, whichis good.
(44:56):
It's good to be around myfamily.
I mean, you gotta.
Find your blessings and be verythankful.
We're getting ready for a bullsale.
I dunno if you guys have heardthat.
Um, good.
Ch Oh, I got a flyer in the mailabout it.
It looked very well.
I did too.
I liked it.
Yeah, I did get it.
I did get it.
Did you like the envelope withthe bricks?
Yeah.
Oh, I didn't see that was Iopened it.
I was like, I don't even know ifI'm distinguished enough to
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touch this envelope.
Amy opened it and put it on thecounter so I didn't get to see
the envelope.
The envelope bricks on it thatShana did.
It was, it was pretty cool.
And so catalog first proof, uh,should be out here in a week or
so, and then we'll get it uponline.
And there's been lots ofcommercial interest and you
know, bulls are doing bullthings.
I'm always, uh, balling nervesthis time of year and I'm just
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trying to.
All four wheels on the asphalt.
I, uh, I had shared that inSnapchat and all my buddies were
like, how did you get a catalogalready?
I've been looking online, andit's not even online.
I was like, it wasn't a catalog,it was just a flyer.
Well, and I'll tell you when itis online, it'll
be@www.brewingranch.com, threeWs two, and www.
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I have three Ws.
Three Ws.
That'll be at brew ranch ww com.
Brewing ranch.com.
Okay.
Yeah, but anybody reach out tome, you know, like we did stuff.
I'm sorry.
That was awesome.
You were saying.
And this is the Joe Promote saleepisode, which I hate.
I don't, I don't.
That wasn't on the agenda.
What have you guys been doing?
(46:27):
What have you been doing, Vince?
Besides smoking a whole bag offreaking pumpkin.
Hey, this guy, this guy, didn'tyou have a calf?
No, no, no, no, no.
We are not.
We're gonna talk about this,talking about this guy ate a bag
of candy, corn that's in theshape of a pumpkin.
Now that's not quite fair.
Amy ate part of it.
(46:49):
You blame it on Amy?
I just, I only had a little bitof them.
I had about that much.
So why don't you at the rest,Amy, that bag is empty.
Amy ate the rest.
No.
Yeah, you no need to get out ofNate's room.
Stop eating his sweetss.
I'm almost outta roll loads.
(47:10):
I don't know what, what I'mgonna do.
You think you'll notice?
Yeah.
You think you'll notice?
Yeah.
Did you ask if I had a calf?
Did you have a calf?
Corbin?
I had a fall calf, so I turnedout holy water with the fall
heifers in like.
Uh, November 24th or something.
And we already had a calf today.
It was August 18th, man.
He went straight to work, wentright to it.
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He went out there and bred herlike right off the truck.
So, uh, yeah, a little holywater.
Oh, I've got this O2 two cow.
That's really cool.
She's a black cap and um, she'san advanced 20 eights, and so
this is a daughter of hers atthis cabin, and it's just really
cool to see generationalpedigrees and how that's all
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taken shape and.
And how you can make thosecattle a little bit better
generation to generation.
And then, and then the coolthing is, is you go out there
and look at this cow's U andyou're like, ah, she looks just
like her mom.
And so it's just prettyexciting.
It's pretty exciting.
Times ance.
What, other than, other thaneating the rollos, we know that
you aren't eating at the bistro.
(48:12):
'cause you said it was hot orthere was a cold front, so No.
Did he get the, he got the ACgoing.
Oh, he's a listener.
Oh, dude.
He got, he smoked a Turkeybreast and made a Turkey club
and that sucker was that big.
It was so good.
Hmm.
Oh, it was so good.
(48:32):
So did he use just like a, awall unit as recommended by the
LU podcast or what did he do?
No, he got actual unit.
Oh wow.
And did some duct work, but it'sstill not enough to cool it, but
it's as hot as it's been, butit's, it's cooler.
It's, it's tolerable.
You're not gonna go, it's notlike my house, but it's
(48:54):
definitely cool.
Yeah, it's cool enough to go inthere and eat and relax a minute
while you're on a hot day.
Well, so go ahead.
No, I didn't have anything yousaid.
So with a pause like you'regetting ready to say something.
Can y'all have there I was gonnawrap this up.
This, I was gonna wrap thisthing up and just tell people,
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keep reaching out.
Uh, you know, we got a, I don'teven know how to get ahold of
these people, but, um, you know,I did hear from one member who
some of the people were, who areincumbents running.
I'm not gonna track these peopledown.
I'm sorry, but like it would benice if, if you know those folks
and they would like to be heardon around the shoot, we'll g,
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we'd love to talk to'em.
Yeah, we wanna talk to everybodythat's a candidate.
Um, ONTAP, who's our next one?
Corbin.
Logan Sampson I think is who wedecided to do.
Now, Logan Sampson from RubyValley.
Then who do you got after that?
And then we've got Robert Groomand then Brian Palmer.
He's got a very unique story.
The Robert Groom guy.
Pretty cool we got, and thenwe've got Brian Palmer.
(49:58):
So we've got those Palmerscheduled, but I would like to
hear from more people.
I mean, I don't know if that's,if they're listening, yeah,
reach out'em, I'm trying, I'mtrying to get their numbers and
I'm gonna ask them, and I'm notgonna hound them, but if they
want to come on, I want to reachall of Branch out and try to get
'em to come.
Yeah, good.
It'd be good.
Yeah.
(50:19):
I think hopefully too, some ofthese, maybe some of these will,
some of these will air and folkswill realize we aren't just here
to hold your feet to the firinggrill.
You, we just wanna get to knowyou as simple.
Right.
So, anyways, well, Corbin, youwanna take us out?
Yeah.
Uh, I guess without further ado,let's take it away.
Tumor.
(50:41):
We will see you next time aroundthe shoot.
It's, it, it's okay.
Cor.
So we're sitting here having adiscussion on the words Joe
knows that we don't know.
And if you guys recall thewelcome to around the shoot.
By the way, how's everybodydoing?
How's everybody doing?
I'm good.
I'm good.
We've, we've got Kelly here, uh,Kelly Albrecht, and he's gonna,
he's gonna hang out with us fora little bit.
(00:22):
But, but let's first talk about,um.
If you're gonna bring a word tothe table that, that you think
that your other co-host shouldknow, I believe that word has to
have a definition that's lessthan two sentences long, true or
false.
I, I mean, I don't know.
(00:42):
I'm not very smart, so my, mythesaurus or whatever it is, is
not very big.
So do you want me to give you alist of big words?
Yeah.
I'm gonna give you the listright now.
The list of big words?
Yes.
The big words that I might sayduring this podcast.
Did you get your, yeah.
Did you get a text from Bo?
No, no, no.
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Yes you did.
Yes you did.
No.
What'd he say?
What'd he say?
You got a text from bolo.
Yes.
You did.
Yeah, but it might have beenincoherent.
He sent a, he sent a word andyou were supposed to look that
word up.
Oh, that word means like someonewho uses big words all the time,
and it's like, what's, say theword, uh.
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I sort of feel like the kid atthis spelling contest, it would
be like, I need to know theorigin of the word.
Yeah.
So this, to be able to pronounceit because payback for.
P Alien.
Yeah.
He didn't send it to me.
I feel left out.
Uh, thanks.
Well, he didn't, he only sent itto me because, uh, we were
talking about, uh, the podcastand he really enjoyed it.
Okay, so I intend to, to perhapssay, I might say the word
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transparency, if you need toGoogle that meant transparent,
trans, um, trans.
Now wait a minute.
Fight starts with a Q and all inCalifornia.
Trans words mean somethingdifferent than they in Tennessee
and Oklahoma.
Yep.
I'm gonna get canceled again.
Documentation.
Documentation, that's, that haslike three syllables if you
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clap.
Documentation does, that's waymore than three, four.
And it might hit document.
I don't even know what's, Ican't even, what's on the table
and what's off with you guysanymore?
It's all game.
It's all fair game.
Mute it.
And you guys roll.
How about that?
No, there he is.
PC Patrick's coming back out.
You're gonna be the animal thattakes this whole thing over.
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You know what?
The listeners, I, I wanna saysomething though real quick.
Uh, just from Brooke Miller, thefirst interview that kicked off
of these Angus Board of Directorcandidates, super popular.
Absolutely.
I mean, we've had more downloadsin the past week than we've had
in a long, long time, and it'sjust skyrocketing.
So thank you listeners for, forspending time with us and
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getting to know thesecandidates.
I really want to thank thecandidates for taking the time
to be super open and letting usget to know them.
And it's funny because.
None of the candidates have saidthis, but we've said amongst
each other, you know, like, howcan we ask the right questions
and how can we do this or that?
Really it's about just gettingto know these people.
You know, that's, that's whatright to me guys, that's what
the membership wants.
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They want to know who theirdirector is.
And then once you know who theyare, you can live on the fact
that maybe they'll make adecision every once in a while
that's different than what youwould've done.
But if you know them and youtrust them and you respect them
and their operation, then youknow that their, your best
interest is always at the top oftheir mind.
Um, that's right.
So I, I thought, uh, episode onewas a big hit.
(03:27):
I'm really, really excited aboutepisode two.
They did not tune in to hear.
Us three dudes talk about my useof appropriate words and your
lack of understanding.
And so you could Googleunderstanding too if you want.
Uh, Gordon, why don't you leadin our guest really, really
excited about this one and, andI want to hear more about his
program and, and learn about ittoo.
(03:49):
Well, I'm excited to, uh,welcome Kelly Albrecht into the
Around the Shoot podcast.
This is our, this is nowofficially our second guest.
And so, uh, uh, I think we'vehad 20 something maybe.
How many, how many episodes havewe had?
15.
15, uh, 15, 15 episodes.
And we're on our second guest,so I think we're doing pretty
good on, uh, we haven't met ourquote yet.
(04:10):
I think we get to do this a fewtimes.
We've earned the, uh, we'veearned the right to interview a
couple people and get to knowsome people.
And this is a perfectopportunity because the board of
directors.
Seats are coming open andthere's a vote if you hadn't
heard that's coming up.
And, uh, all the delegates from,from every state are supposed to
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get together in Kansas City thefirst weekend in November.
And, uh, I'm excited to welcomein.
Kelly Albrecht, uh, he's gonnabe on the ballot, uh, without
further ado.
How's it going?
Kelly, tell us a little bitabout yourself.
Real good.
And I wanna thank you guys for,for inviting me to come on here
Corbin and, and Vince and Joe.
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Um, really appreciate that.
Well, I grew up in southernUtah., we run on, oh BLM and
Forest Service out there.
We run on 40 square miles of BLMand then we trailed those cows
70 miles to the forest servicein the summer.
And, uh, so we set on a horsesix days a week.
I went to college in, SouthernUtah University in Cedar City,
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Utah.
I worked at the sale barn downthere and I, I got to order
buying cattle and, buying ropingsteers and calves and leasing
them out and Done some leasing,some cutting, cutting cattle out
that went to Las Vegas anddifferent events.
And so that's kind of how I gotstarted.
My dad gave me my first cow whenI was five years old.
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And when I graduated from highschool, I had about, uh, I'd put
a together about 30 head ofcows.
And, uh, that's kind of how Igot my start.
And then, I ended up buying oneof my brothers out and,, me and
my other brother and my dad runcows for a while.
And then we bought my dad outand we run it for quite a while.
(05:59):
And then in 2002, um, we soldout and me and my wife moved to
Oklahoma.
We didn't know anybody We movedout here and bought a ranch.
We kind of got tired of fightingwith, the government over
different issues.
We run about 400 commercial andregistered cows out here.
And, we have a bull cell everyyear in February and.
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I partner with Jeff Penns and,we have the presidents today in
SEL every February.
So that's, that's awesome.
I think, I think sometimes ittakes a entire family move to
really kind of jumpstart,jumpstart your imagination and
just to reinvigorate life foryou.
So what was it like, you know,you've got a young daughter, I
think you had, did you have oneor two daughters by then?
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And then you're moving.
We had two daughters when wemoved out here in 2002.
Uhhuh.
Yeah.
And you're moving, you're movingcross country and you're a young
family.
Um, that's, that has to be thebest decision you ever made,
huh?
Well, at the time, my wifewasn't real thrilled.
But, she come and, we were justlooking for private land and,
you know, people don'tunderstand,, the pressure,
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running cattle on governmentland and, you know, all that
goes with that.
I mean, my grandpa.
Had cleaned out some ponds witha horse and scraper, and, the
government would, you know, it'dtake you five years to go in and
clean up, you know, to fix thatpond, you know, to get an
environmental impact.
Study an Indian artifact study,an endangered species study.
I think the nepa, I think therewas five of'em, I can't
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remember, but it, it was a fiveyear process to go fix a pond
that had been, you know, washedout or whatever.
And,, There's, there's a lot tohave private ground and, be your
own.
Yeah.
It's a different world, youknow, it's, it's a different
world.
It's a lot different here thanit was out there for sure.
Yeah.
Kelly, are, are your girlsinvolved at the ranch?
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No, they're not.
Um, my oldest daughter's, uh, weactually got two gr group, two
granddaughters now, so Oh, wow.
Uh, she's married and, and livesin Utah and my.
My second oldest, Carly, she'sgetting married, uh, the end of
the month here.
Oh, congratulations.
That's awesome.
Yeah.
So, Kelly, for me, before wemove on to this, uh, to talking
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more about you as a candidate,um, I'm curious, who's your
customer?
So you move that far.
I mean, do you still sell a lotof bulls back out into those
permit type country people?
You obviously expanded, we sella lot of bulls, um, into Utah,
um, New Mexico back, you know,back in the west.
We try to raise a lot of ourcattle.
For that high elevation outthere.
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Um, we pap tested all of themand the start of my herd
actually come from Grand Mesa,Colorado, and they were all pap
tested.
And uh, so yeah, we do send alot of, lot of bulls back, uh,
west.
So we breed a little differentthan maybe most breeders.
I mean, we try to, you know.
Keep them cattle a little moremoderate, maybe, um, thick,
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deep, easy, doing kind of cattlewith some base width and, that
can get out and travel, andstill,, have the mothering
ability.
Um, we just like those.
Easy doing cattle that, youknow, will work in any
environment.
Um, those big hard doing cattleout there, just wouldn't breed
back.
And, they have to have goodfeet, good legs, and be able to
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move.
They absolutely have to be ableto travel.
They have to be able to.
Yeah.
You know, a lot of times they'regoing a long way to water, so I
mean it's, it's, it's a lot ofmovement in one day.
So, um, but yeah.
So, so now we, we fast forwardto today.
It is August and you've decidedto run for the American Angus
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Association Board of Directors.
I mean, that has to be, I wouldlike to know what made you come
to that decision?
Well, well that's kind of a hottopic there, but, um.
I had a lot of guys asking me,um, I tried to get some other
guys to run, honestly.
I never really aspired to be onthe board.
But I, I think when you start,Admitting, I guess basically to,
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in my mind, that cattle are aproblem.
I think, uh, we're going in thewrong direction.
Um, I, I believe in climatechange.
I think it's been changingsince, man came here.
But I don't think cattle are aproblem with the climate.
If we need to.
Look at climate change, weprobably need to look at some of
these wildfires out west andmaybe the management of the
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government, you know, and why,why they're so big.
Or maybe go down to Dallas andmeasure the temperature on a
concrete down there.
Um, you know, uh, there,there's, there's several things
that I think.
Maybe causing climate change orglobal warming, if that's what,
that's where we're trying to gowith this.
But if, if cows were a problem,Buffalo should have been a
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problem a long time ago.
'cause there's a lot morebuffalo than there are cows.
I want you guys to write thisdown.
Methane makes up 0.00017 of theatmosphere.
That's 1.7 parts per million.
So we're being asked to spendmillions of dollars in my mind
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for something that's bullshit.
It cycles out in a decade.
So what are we spending millionsof dollars for on this?, It just
doesn't make any sense to me.
I just don't believe that Bezosis in this for the right
reasons.
Um, I have a hard time withthis.
(11:28):
Maybe it's the transparencypart.
We still don't know exactly,what was signed where this deal
went.
I would like to keep this goingfor my son, and that's why I
stepped in the ring.
I think, this is basicallyletting the cat out of the bag
and we can't put it back in.
And, once you open that door, isit gonna be.
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The vaccination or is it gonnabe fake meat?
I mean, where are we going withthis?
And, I'm really disappointed Iguess, in where the board went
with this and, and maybe it'sjust because I don't have all
the information, but we haven'tseen that and I'd sure like to
see it You hate to see somethingyou love.
Take a direction that you feelis not.
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Becoming of what?
Of what lifestyle that youenjoy.
So I, I mean, I think that mostpeople understand your
frustration and where thatfrustration comes from.
Um, and so I think that when youmake the decision to run, um, I
think what you're saying topeople is, is, man, I, I want to
help y'all out and I want, Iwant to do things that are the
right way because obviously you,you've told me and you've told
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both of these guys that you hadno interest in running whatever,
you never would ever want to bein this position.
No, I, I don't, but I, I thinkthe Angus Association needs a
turn,?
And, I think there needs to besome guys with,, some common
sense on there and, and youknow, being, be able to, to do
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what the producers need and thecommercial cow calf, the guy
needs absolutely.
I'm excited to get to know youmore as we, we answer more
questions here, Kelly, because Idon't think that your worldview
is a common one in mostboardrooms.
Um, these guys gave me hell forsaying big words, but that's my
worldview.
Kelly.
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My worldview is big permitcountry and it is dealing with
entities that are constantlylevying more and more things on
top of you and suffocating you.
And you're kind like, and then,uh, you know, there's a study on
sage grouse just come out andthere's studies on spotted owls
and we, we battled both of thosethings when I was a kid and, um.
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Now they're saying cattlegrazing is beneficial to that.
And we're going, gosh, we knewthat all along, but what about
the family farms that werehammered in the meanwhile?
And so, right.
I think the perspective you'retrying to share is one that is
important to have in boardroomswhere somebody who has
experienced these things whosaid, I've been at the rooftop
screaming this is not an issue,and then have'em back to me 20
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years later and say, oh yeah, bythe way, it wasn't an issue.
Um, I mean, is that kind ofwhere.
Does that make sense to you?
Well, it's Joe.
I mean, you've been out in thatbig country and you know what
the wolves are doing now.
Oh my God.
I mean, look, look at thedestruction they're doing with
the, you know, the deer, theelk, we all know that was a bad
idea.
Um, you know, how many cattleare they killing?
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I mean, horses, you know, allthe livestock that they're
killing sheep, everything.
Um, you know, anybody with anycommon sense know it was a bad
idea.
But here we are.
But there's a lot of goodcattlemen, Kelly, there's a lot
of them that never got vocalabout this issue until it's
reached critical mass, becausethey never thought it would be
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an issue for them.
And I think that's, a lot ofthese issues are the, the, the
problem is, is the governmentcomes in and tells you, oh, it's
gonna be okay.
And oh, that, you know, the, thewolves aren't gonna be a problem
killing livestock.
You know, oh, we're gonna, youknow it in, in our right where
we run cows in the winter there.
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I mean, we had buffalo.
On the Henry Mountains and,there's just so many issues with
the buffalo.
I mean, the buffalo are terriblefor the, for the grass.
I mean, most people don't knowthis, but, like when a buffalo
walks in sandy ground, they walkin a straight line.
Every buffalo walks in astraight line.
Cows zigzag when they walk,buffalo walk in a straight line.
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And when that, when they walkedthrough sandy ground, where we
had our cows in the winter.
They walk while they're eatingand they'll pull up the grass by
the roots, and they walk in astraight line.
Well, Buffalo are hard on sandyground where we run our cows in
the winter.
I mean, they pull up all ofthat, Indian rice grass and
stuff.
And so anyway, it, it's a bigproblem in the fish and game out
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there.
They're supposed to count andhave 400 buffalo, well they have
800 buffalo or, you know,whatever it is.
They just ruin the ground andthey tear up the water and stuff
like that.
And people don't understand likehow big a deal that is to, to
ranchers and because they'venever been there and they've
never seen the impacts of, youknow, what goes on.
Um, and the government's notalways in your best interest.
(16:09):
And a lot of these outsideentities are definitely not.
I think you just, the SierraClub, the Wilderness Alliance,
you know, all of this, all ofthese outside entities are.
They're terrible for thelivestock industry for sure.
I think you just perfectlydescribed our relationship as
well.
I don't know if we're themajority, I don't know, but
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it's, it's our, our collectiveus for for sure.
And I know a lot of otherpeople, our, that's sort of our
philosophy, is we are the peopleand then the American Angus
Association is the government.
I feel like in a lot of waysthey're acting on our behalf and
telling us what we need andwhat's better.
But just like what you'retalking about, it kind of turns
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into what it's turned into, um,where you don't feel like you're
heard.
And so that's why we're here.
That's why you're here.
I think there's a lot of membersthat feel that way, you know,
they're just not being heardand, and they don't, you know,
they don't feel like they have avoice anymore.
And, I kind of see where they'recoming from and we'd like to,
we'd sure like to maketransparency, a lot better and,
(17:15):
maybe put zoom in the boardroomsand see what we could do to help
with transparency for sure.
I think that, uh, if you polledeveryone, I think that would be
the number one problem istransparency.
And I think you've mentioned onegood way of fixing it is.
Is to just make the board room,the, the meetings public.
I think that's something wecould do.
That's pretty simple.
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But, um, I think that if, if theright person got in there, like,
you know, if Kelly re, if KellyAlbrecht's a board member, I
don't think Kelly Albrecht hasany problem telling people
what's going on in those boardmeetings.
No, I mean, I think all themembers should be able to, you
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know, say just what we'retalking about, either Zoom or be
able to read the minutesafterwards.
Um, I don't know whatever needsto happen to bring the
membership back in theboardroom, maybe even video.
I.
Maybe could even video it andplay it, you know, have it
recorded or have the whole thingrecorded so you could watch the
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whole thing.
Absolutely.
So, you know, we've talked a lotabout some of the transparency
stuff and, and making somechanges.
And I'm kind of just going downthe list and I don't wanna make
this official, but I think thiscould open up to you talking for
a little bit.
What is AAA's job?
What do you think their roleshould be for all of us?
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Uh,, to protect and promote theAngus Breed., That means
genetics, data integrity, membersupport.
I don't think it should beinvolved in environmental
lobbying carbon markets ormethane reduction schemes.
Actually.
I think our focus should be onprofitability, you know, for the
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commercial cattle guy and,empowering breeders to guide the
breed's future.
What are, uh, what are yourthoughts on, I don't know.
One that we get from a lot ofmembers is about the genomic
world and who owns data and whodoesn't, and, and, uh.
A shift towards productiontraits and not a sh stay on the
(19:23):
cutting edge.
What are your thoughts in kindof that space and having cattle
that.
I know that you genomic testyour cattle, um, or some of
them, and I know that you runbulls out to big country.
Um, how do you feel about thatwhole scene and, and direction
of breed improvement within thebreed?
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Well, I mean,, I think thegenomics are a good thing.
I mean, I think we're a longways from, you know.
Having'em be accurate?
Honestly, Joe, um, I, I think wegot a long ways to go.
I mean, you know, every year Ithink it's gonna get better.
As far as the genomics go, Idon't think that the Angus
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Association ought to be able tosell our, uh, genomic, you know,
a GI ought to be able to sell itor.
Or give that out without thebreeders, um, boating on it or
having, having some kind of,knowledge of where it's going,
you know, be able to boat onwhat they're doing with the
(20:28):
data.
Um, so, I believe the genomicsare a good thing, honestly.
I mean, I think for, for longterm,.
I think it's gonna be good forthe breed,, I think we need to
work more on getting thataccuracies is where it needs to
be, honestly.
Because I mean, I've seen, uh,I'll give you an example, we got
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a book called Checkered Flag,uh, that we sold in our sale a
couple years ago.
Like, I'd have to look.
But anyway, he scanned a 6.24Joe on IMF.
All right.
This was his ax, actual, theyadjusted him to a 6.1.
Actual IMF.
Where do you think the data ison that bull?
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Well, I would probably cheat andsay he probably comes from a
Paxton, so line.
Uh, yeah, well, he, he goes backto Charlo, so, yep.
So I will tell you that I didsome early, I'm, I'm, I'm
answering this in a way,roundabout way, which if you've
listened to our podcast, youknow, I do.
Um, and, and I had the owner,one of the owners of a son of
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Charlo, actually.
Think I was on the reverse ofthis subject, but I've been on
this Paxton thing for a longtime.
Back in the identity, onethrough 10 days when that was
all that we had.
Um, I think it was called the 384 test or the 3 48 test or
something like that.
I don't remember.
But there were so many traits.
I had a lot of cattle.
I had some of the very firstpaxton's ever born, and they
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were super high for marbling onthat test.
But then as more and more datacame in for some reason.
Those cattle got pounded downand we actually see in the
phenotypes of those cattle whenwe've harvested cattle here that
they marble incredibly well.
And so I would say that the dataon your checkered flag bull is
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that he is well below breedaverage, probably in the bottom
25%, and the actual phenotypesof the bull in his offspring are
gonna be very contrary to thatdata.
Well, he's right at a zero for,for IMF.
And we, and, and I, I guess thisis, this is my problem with
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genomics is because the oldergenetics are not what they
should be.
And I talked to our Angus repand, uh., Basically told me
that, you know, because he isolder genetics.
That's why he is like that.
Well, to me that's a bullshitdeal because you know, if it's
(22:57):
right, it's right.
If the, if, if the genomics areright, it should be straight up.
I would agree.
And, you know, whether, whether,and I think that's an
opportunity, whether the oldgenetics, whether they're new to
genetics, it shouldn't matter.
That's an opportunity you justhighlighted though.
I wanna pull it out so thatlisteners hear it.
But the opportunity is, let'sget it right.
Let's get it right.
Let's work on that.
Hundred percent.
(23:17):
Let's get it right.
There's some cattle out therethat marble that a number says
they don't.
Let's get it right.
I mean, well, well, well, here'smy problem with it, Joe, is so
we use some, some highermarbling bulls in our cell every
year to try to draw the Texascrowd, because the Texas crowd
is a little different.
I mean, they use.
They use a lot of these highermarbling cattle on, you know,
(23:37):
some crossbred cows to get'em,you know, to grade.
And I get that.
I mean, I understand that whole,the whole deal.
And, and so we use some highermarbling genetics, but we had
some in our catalog that sameyear they scanned a, a.
Less than a 3.5.
I can't remember what it was,but right outta 3.5 was their
scan.
Their actual scan, and they'reover a 1.5 marbling.
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So you tell me how that works.
In the same catalog, the samecattle, the only thing that was
different was their pedigreesand then the marketplace.
There's been a lot ofdifferentiation and value
between those numbers too.
Which I'm sure frustrating.
That's what I'm saying.
I mean, but, but the actual scandata doesn't match the genomics,
and that's the problem I have.
(24:22):
Yep.
I I They don't don't the actualscan data to be because they're
older genetics to put into that,that figure.
And it's harming the breed.
Absolutely.
It is.
Well, uh, I think it's, it'svery evident that.
Up until now, the members of theAmerican Inc Association have
been pretty quiet.
(24:42):
Um, I think when the delegatevoting comes up, a lot of us
more, were pretty, uh, I can behonest and say that, that this
is the first year that I've evereven voted.
Uh, I never, I never reallyassociated, I never really knew
a lot of people on the delegatelist anyways.
And, um, I've never been toKansas City for the.
For the convention.
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So it's just tough for me to getaway.
It's tough for me to feel likeI'm involved, but I think it's
time for a change.
How do, but how do we get, howdo we get the membership to be
the opposite of how I was, thatwas, uh, that was not engaged?
How do we get the membershipinvolved?
Um.
That's a great question.
I mean, h how, how do you getthe members more involved?
(25:25):
I wonder if they think theydon't have a voice., Anymore.
It's kind of been the same groupof people that,, year after year
get,, as delegates and, yeah.
Uh, so, you know.
Do they think they're wastingtheir time, even voting?
I mean, I, I don't know.
I just think people get busy.
Um.
They think the AngusAssociation's got their best
(25:47):
interest at hand.
They don't pay any attention toit, honestly.
I?
If you get, um, if you getelected, and something like this
methane deal was to come across,would you be willing to stand up
and say no if you didn't believein it?
Absolutely.
Good.
(26:08):
Yeah, well, I, I mean, and, andmaybe some people did it Sure
didn't look like it with aunanimous deal, but, um, I, I
know that is on a lot ofpeople's minds.
You know, if whoever we getelected in there, if they're
willing to stand up, and say,look, this is not right.
(26:30):
Yeah, I have no problem standingup and doing the right thing.
I mean, I think Corbin's knownme long enough to know that, but
Absolutely, absolutely.
I think, I think that we can alltrust that this is something, if
something goes down, first off,I don't think Kelly would be
scared to, to tell people whatwent down in the boardroom.
I don't think there would be anyof this, silence coming outta
(26:51):
the boardroom.
I, I think we would hear fromyou.
We would know exactly what wenton in there.
And I think that we need moretransparency like that.
That's just, it's, I'd love tosugarcoat everything that's gone
on, but, but trans, just sometransparency and some honesty
would really solve a lot of ourproblems.
It's pretty simple that, that'swhat I don't get about this
whole deal is, is if this wassuch a good deal for, for the
(27:15):
cattlemen, um, the members ofthe American Angus Association,
the commercial cattlemen.
Why aren't these guys out thereevery week jumping up on the
stump saying, look, this is thefive reasons that it's a good
idea for the industry, for theAmerican Angus Association, for
the Commercial Cattlemen.
(27:36):
This is what we did here withthis Bezos.
Money is a good idea and it'sgonna, it's gonna be profitable
for all of you guys.
If this was such a good idea,why aren't we hearing about this
like.
Uh, I guess that's my questionand I think it's, it's kind of
the tip of the iceberg too.
I mean, this is just sort ofwhat's kind of got our eyes
open, but I think there's somuch more stuff going on and,
(27:59):
and, and there's going to bemore issues like this in the
future.
And, uh, ultimately we need tohave some, some say we need to
have some tra, we need to knowwhat's going on in there.
And I think that that's all wecan ask from, from the people
running on for the board is, isman, just communicate with us.
Right.
I agree.
So Kelly, I got one that, uh,you know, this isn't a prepared
(28:21):
question or anything, but Ithink you can answer it just in
a conversation here.
I mean, you get elected, um,have a convention, have a good
turnout, everything, uh, goesthe way you've intended and, uh,
you get elected and then we'resitting here a year from now.
What would it look like thatyou'd call it a real big success
that you got on the board?
(28:41):
How would you feel?
Really, really good and like youhad a big positive impact.
What, what are some things thatwould've transpired or, or not?
Or, you know, I don't know.
You kind of get where I'm goingwith this.
Um.
Well, just kind of going back towhat we just talked about, I
would say, you know, to me, Iwould like to get the older
(29:03):
genetics back, and I don't knowhow the formulas work at a GI, I
don't know, you know, anything.
But, we've got to get back tothe, you know, just because
they're older genetics doesn'tmean they're not good.
And I, to me, that that's a bigdeal because it, it affects our
(29:25):
profitability.
And I get that the way thesystem's set up that, They set
it up to sell more cattle.
I get that.
I a hundred percent, you know,the new genetics, we gotta keep
moving, you know.
But to me, I think I wouldreally like to see, the genomics
be more accurate in all cattle,whether they're older genetics,
(29:48):
whether they're younger,genetic, it shouldn't matter to
me.
Um, I, I just think that thatneeds to get.
A lot more accurate.
And I don't know exactly how todo that because I haven't been
in the boardroom, but that wouldbe a success for me.
That would be one of the thingsthat I, I would call a success.
Now, the transparency thingwould be, you know, for sure I,
(30:08):
you know, I'd, I'd love to seethe transparency, um, if I can
help with that.
Um, if we could get it, on Zoomor,, something like that., I
think that would be, a big dealfor me.
Um.
Man, I, I just, I also thinkthat we need to look at the
environmental issues, theoutside money.
(30:29):
Um.
Man, that's a not a good deal,if it's against the cattle, you
know, producers mine and yours.
Bottom line is, is the way I seeit and this Bezos money is a bad
deal and I don't know if there'sanything I could do to fix that
or that, that would be a successfor me too.
(30:52):
So.
I think that's well said.
You guys have another one,Corbin.
You know, I think, uh.
What I really appreciate aboutyou is how you're not afraid to
bring that worldview and thatuniqueness of how you guys
produce cattle and how you wereraised.
And you're humble enough to knowthat you don't have all the
(31:12):
answers, but you do have yourperspective and your opinion
which matters.
And I appreciate that.
Kelly.
I got, I got one other questionthat's not on the list.
Uh, throw a curve ball at you.
I'm guessing you run this byyour wife.
Um.
What'd she say when you said,Hey, should I run for the board?
Or, or did she say, you bettergo run for the board and protect
(31:35):
our investment?
Or what did that process looklike?
She's like, have you thoughtabout this?
She is a bad idea.
She's, and, and, and I, I mean,I understand that, we're kind of
jumping in the fire on this dealbecause there's a lot going on.
There's a lot of emotion.
Um.
There's a lot of mad commercialguys.
(31:57):
There's a lot of registered guysthat aren't very happy with,
what's going on, and, um.
You know, I did run it by mywife.
Um, she thought I'd lost my mindprobably, but she, she backs
whatever, what, whatever Iwanted to do.
And she said, you know, I'll,I'll stand with you and do
(32:19):
whatever it takes and, we'll,we'll try to make this deal
work.
So, you know, you had mademention about these commercial
guys being mad and, um, you andI had talked, uh, before on the
phone about.
And, and not only, you had heardit from some other people about,
um, a lot of these commercialguys saying that they're not
gonna run Angus Bulls.
(32:41):
Do you think that can becorrected?
Oh, absolutely, I do.
You know,, we watched whathappened to Bud Light.
Um, you know, and I definitelyhave heard some commercial guys
mention that.
And, uh, you know, that's,that's a black eye to the Angus
Association.
Honestly.
I mean, you know, I've had somecommercial guys call me and say
(33:04):
that they're gonna buy herfordbulls.
Um, I've had one guy call me andsaid that he is gonna buy, uh,
balancers some Plat Vy bull.
Um, they're not happy and, it'sgonna affect our bottom line.
I don't know what it's gonna do,to these bull cells in the
spring, but, uh, I definitelythink, you know, there's gonna
(33:26):
be an effect.
I don't know, you know, howmuch, and I actually think, I
want to chime in a littlebecause I think I've, when I've
had this same conversation,Kelly with.
Either past board members orcurrent board members.
It's kinda like, um, nobody saidthis directly to me, but it's
inferred.
(33:47):
Uh, Vince, look up the wordinferred because I know you
won't know the definition, but,um, sorry, I had to.
Mm-hmm.
But.
It's like we're scared.
It's like a guy like me isscared about what's gonna happen
to my market.
Share whatever it, it's notabout me being scared about
Brewing Ranch or Kelly Alrichbeing scared about, you know,
(34:09):
Alrich Angus.
It's more about those guys puttheir trust in our products and
they put our, their trust in ourword and who we are, and they
will.
The only reason they're still inbusiness is on principle,
frankly, especially out west.
And those are heavily principledpeople that when they feel
(34:32):
crossed or not supported.
Kelly, you've run them permitdeals.
Yep.
You've been in bars out West.
It's different.
Yep.
Is it not?
Oh, a hundred percent.
But you know, out there the.
You look a guy in in the eye andshake his hand, it means
something.
And you know these guys trustthe Angus Association.
(34:55):
Basically.
You know what I see?
What happened is they admittedthat cattle were a problem.
With taking this Bezos money.
And that's the way thecommercial guys see it.
They, you know, basically theAngus Association, the big
association in the countryadmitted that Angus cattle are a
problem.
And now me and you and everybodyelse that has Angus cattle an
(35:18):
any cattle for that matter havegot, you know, for the rest of
our lives, we're gonna be doingsomething, trying to negate what
they did.
So.
I think you've done a good jobsharing with us who you are and,
and what you stand for.
Um, I think the things thatyou've shared have resonated
(35:38):
with a large portion of themembership, especially the folks
that we see reaching out online.
But I think that there's morethere and I think that, uh.
I'd really encourage folks toreach out to Kelly.
Um, we're not gonna put yourphone number on here'cause you
might get weird calls'cause whoknows what kind of listeners
this, this deal.
But, but you could do aninternet search.
(36:00):
Um.
You know, Kelly, maybe, maybeshare your website where people
can go and find your info.
It's, it's, yeah, it's alrichranch.com, so that's a very
easy, my phone number's onthere.
Um, I'd be glad to hear from youanytime.
You know, and, and that's, I'vebeen, anybody's got any
questions?
I'm sorry to cut you off.
I, I've enjoyed thoseconversations with you, things
like that.
(36:20):
Um, you know, what you'll getwith Kelly is a guy who straps
these boots on every day andgoes to work and takes care of
cows and knows commercialcattlemen, knows his own cows,
and knows what it liked to, toraise cattle out west.
And so I, uh, I was one of thoseguys though, Kelly, that didn't
listen to the call.
You know, um, you know, you, youtalked to us about a lot of
people saying, please run.
And, and I appreciate you.
(36:43):
Prioritizing that for, for someof us who can't feel like we're
there yet.
Um, and it's, it's a bold moveand I'm thankful for you and I'm
thankful for a lot of the othercandidates.
And, um, is there, is thereanything else you want to add,
or, or your, your info will bein the journal too, correct?
Yeah.
Yes.
It'll be in the journal and, Ijust like to, go back to, what
(37:04):
you said.
If anybody's got any questionson,, how I feel and, you know,
I'm not gonna sugarcoat it.
You might not like what I'mgonna tell you.
But, um, I will definitely tellyou what I think and, uh, you
know, Anytime I will definitelybe transparent with, uh, anybody
on, on any issue or you know,what's going on.
(37:24):
So I mean.
At anytime, if I do get electedor if I don't, I mean, I'd, I'd
love to hear from you.
That's, I think that's thegreatest thing with it, you
know, being a part of the AngusAssociation is the friends you
meet and the relationships youmake.
And, you know, it's, it's a,it's about good cattle, but it's
also about really good people.
And you meet, you meet a lot ofreally good people.
(37:47):
Um.
Most of my best friends are,, inthe cattle business.
And, it's a family deal and, Ithink we all just need to work
on, better cattle keeping ourword and keeping Angus cattle
first, so, yeah.
Absolutely.
Well, I would like to say thankyou for running and I would also
like to thank you for coming onhere as well.
(38:11):
Well, thanks Vince.
I appreciate that and I, I, Iappreciate you guys' time for
sure.
Yeah, hopefully next time, uh,hopefully next time we get to
have a chat with you.
It's, it's, uh, after a boardmeeting or, or, you know,
putting into practice some ofthe stuff that, that we are all
so excited to, to do.
I mean, I think we would alllove to be able to hear you
after a board meeting, tell usexactly what went on in there.
(38:32):
I mean, I, I think it'd be abreath, fresh air.
And I think that Kelly's,Kelly's the type of person
that's gonna be that breath offresh air for, for us, when we
need it.
So, Kelly, uh, I can't thank youenough for coming on And for
running.
And, hopefully everything goeslike it's supposed to.
Thanks Corbin.
I, well, that was fun and Iappreciate Kelly Albert coming
(38:56):
on and, and, uh, sitting andchatting with us.
So what have you guys been doingthis week?
It's so hot outside here.
November by at 10:00 AM at 10:00AM The past couple days it's
been 102.
Feels like it's like you can't,you go outside and then you're
just sweating like what the,when is it gonna cool off?
(39:19):
When does it.
Oh, I hate.
So what, what do you guys thinkabout the people that say that?
Um, they say that a hundreddegrees is better than 32
degrees.
That is stupid.
I think they're stupid.
They're very stupid.
They would rather be, it'd be115 than 32.
That is, yes.
Yeah, but who is that?
They, they not they, them.
(39:43):
Just they, there's, there's somesilly people out there that
prefer No, I mean, I like nothaving to feed cows, but at the
same time, I'd rather feed cowsthan die.
When I walk outside.
They're not, uh, they'redefinitely not working outside.
Have you, have you not had thiscool front that we had last
week, Corby?
No.
(40:03):
It's, it's, it's, it's, Iwould've thought you would've
had it maybe four or five daysbefore me.
No, it's almost like I walkoutside and I pull my pants down
and I'm sitting right on thesun.
Bare ass.
Yeah, that's what it feels likeoutside.
It's unbelievably hot.
It's, I mean, you walk rightoutside and you break out into a
sweat just stepping out thedoor.
(40:24):
I mean, it's, it's eight 30right now and it's, um, well
first off, the height day was104.
Real, and it was like 118 feelslike, yeah, but it was, yeah.
So dumb.
But it's, it's 93 and feels like1 0 6 and it's dark outside.
Oh, it's only 83 here.
It feels like 88.
(40:44):
93 Feels like 1 0 6 at 8:30 PMJoe, what you got?
I don't know.
I haven't looked it up.
I was busy looking at somethingelse here, but it has been so
doggone nice here.
I feel embarrassed even tellingyou guys.
I think it says it's 81 rightnow.
It's been kind of breezy.
Uh, last week was tough.
(41:04):
Last week was hot.
Hot.
It was miserable.
And we are calving right now.
Um, Calvin, you said Calvin, yousaid, why did you say calving?
Did you say calving?
Did you say Joe?
What babies are you having?
Yeah.
Legions.
You any legions?
I haven't had a baby yet.
Um, yeah.
The cows, no, we don't have anylegions'cause we never got semen
(41:27):
in time.
Whatever.
I got it there right away.
Lickety split.
Yeah.
But that would've been if wewere having 1st of September AI
dates.
And so yes, you did get it therein time.
Um, but we do not have anylegions, two sisters to Legion
Cab though.
And they're pretty sporty.
They're pretty sporty.
Um, went down to dad'syesterday.
(41:49):
There's a ton of fellows downthere and a ton of Gatsby's,
which those are broom bulls.
Um.
Yeah.
Uh, I don't know.
I don't know.
I have a, would you guys callme?
You call me.
Pissy Pete or something a secondago.
Oh, that's pretty good.
It was pissy Patrick, though.
Pissy Patrick.
But you could be pissy Pete,whatever it was, he was piss.
(42:10):
But that was be, that was beforewe came on and interviewed
Kelly.
But now that we're afterwards,I'm, I'm just really, you're
feeling it, you're feeling it.
He's in a, a better mood now.
He is.
I'm, I already have thisreputation with, with I know
another person.
Did you run outta coffee?
Another person?
Is that why you're starting tobe PCP again?
Maybe.
Yes.
(42:30):
Okay.
Whatever.
Um, I just like my own stuff.
I don't even know if it'sbetter.
I don't even know, you know,they, it just meets my eye more.
Um, these influence daughtershave caved and.
Yeah.
There's no surprises with them.
They're exactly what theythought they'd be.
And I'm not saying they're gonnabe earth movers or anything, but
(42:51):
they're just nice cattle.
They, they look exactly likeinfluence's.
Mom.
Did the fellows look exactlylike fellow's mom did?
Um, I mean, I just, I don'tknow.
It's, it is interesting becausewon't this, this banter will be
after Kelly.
Yeah, yeah.
Or no.
So in that interview, we talkeda lot about a lot of different
things.
(43:11):
Um, I wanna say that I've been alittle bit lately exhausted
about some of the quote, cuttingedge genus talk.
It doesn't excite me to thinkabout the new hot young sis
anymore.
I agree.
I just like screw all thatstuff.
Give me something.
Gimme some Neapolitan ice cream.
That's what I want, Vince.
(43:31):
I do like that.
I do like that simple.
Black, white, pink, differentflavors that correspond to the
colors.
I don't need the very JerryCherry, Rocky road like, you
know, super troopers.
Yeah.
I don't need, I don't need apineapple pizza.
I mean, I do like pineapple.
(43:53):
I like pineapple and momentum.
What do you just put pineappleon your pizza?
I don't need any of that.
But what I'm just saying islike, I just want cattle to get
back to the basics and don'tcause many problems.
And, and a lot of my own cattledo that.
A lot of my friend's cattle dothat.
A lot of the really exciting hotglitz and glamor stuff, guys,
I'm gonna let someone else provethat stuff from now on.
(44:15):
It's expensive.
Um, and that's not evenconsidering all the, uh, sort
that comes along with themcattle, um, you know, honestly,
some of our cleanup, sire aredoing a great job here.
Those calves look good.
Um, kids have been helping quitea bit, so that's been fun.
Um, did they go back to school?
(44:35):
Well, yeah, but they go tohomeschool.
Yeah, but they're having tostart back.
Yeah.
So we're trying to figure outhow they can come with me in the
mornings and then midday whenit's hot, maybe they'll do some
schoolwork or something just sothat they're involved more in
the operation.
Um, I think this, uh, this fallwe're gonna be helping down at
my dad's quite a bit more, whichis good.
(44:56):
It's good to be around myfamily.
I mean, you gotta.
Find your blessings and be verythankful.
We're getting ready for a bullsale.
I dunno if you guys have heardthat.
Um, good.
Ch Oh, I got a flyer in the mailabout it.
It looked very well.
I did too.
I liked it.
Yeah, I did get it.
I did get it.
Did you like the envelope withthe bricks?
Yeah.
Oh, I didn't see that was Iopened it.
I was like, I don't even know ifI'm distinguished enough to
(45:19):
touch this envelope.
Amy opened it and put it on thecounter so I didn't get to see
the envelope.
The envelope bricks on it thatShana did.
It was, it was pretty cool.
And so catalog first proof, uh,should be out here in a week or
so, and then we'll get it uponline.
And there's been lots ofcommercial interest and you
know, bulls are doing bullthings.
I'm always, uh, balling nervesthis time of year and I'm just
(45:42):
trying to.
All four wheels on the asphalt.
I, uh, I had shared that inSnapchat and all my buddies were
like, how did you get a catalogalready?
I've been looking online, andit's not even online.
I was like, it wasn't a catalog,it was just a flyer.
Well, and I'll tell you when itis online, it'll
be@www.brewingranch.com, threeWs two, and www.
(46:06):
I have three Ws.
Three Ws.
That'll be at brew ranch ww com.
Brewing ranch.com.
Okay.
Yeah, but anybody reach out tome, you know, like we did stuff.
I'm sorry.
That was awesome.
You were saying.
And this is the Joe Promote saleepisode, which I hate.
I don't, I don't.
That wasn't on the agenda.
What have you guys been doing?
(46:27):
What have you been doing, Vince?
Besides smoking a whole bag offreaking pumpkin.
Hey, this guy, this guy, didn'tyou have a calf?
No, no, no, no, no.
We are not.
We're gonna talk about this,talking about this guy ate a bag
of candy, corn that's in theshape of a pumpkin.
Now that's not quite fair.
Amy ate part of it.
(46:49):
You blame it on Amy?
I just, I only had a little bitof them.
I had about that much.
So why don't you at the rest,Amy, that bag is empty.
Amy ate the rest.
No.
Yeah, you no need to get out ofNate's room.
Stop eating his sweetss.
I'm almost outta roll loads.
(47:10):
I don't know what, what I'mgonna do.
You think you'll notice?
Yeah.
You think you'll notice?
Yeah.
Did you ask if I had a calf?
Did you have a calf?
Corbin?
I had a fall calf, so I turnedout holy water with the fall
heifers in like.
Uh, November 24th or something.
And we already had a calf today.
It was August 18th, man.
He went straight to work, wentright to it.
(47:31):
He went out there and bred herlike right off the truck.
So, uh, yeah, a little holywater.
Oh, I've got this O2 two cow.
That's really cool.
She's a black cap and um, she'san advanced 20 eights, and so
this is a daughter of hers atthis cabin, and it's just really
cool to see generationalpedigrees and how that's all
(47:52):
taken shape and.
And how you can make thosecattle a little bit better
generation to generation.
And then, and then the coolthing is, is you go out there
and look at this cow's U andyou're like, ah, she looks just
like her mom.
And so it's just prettyexciting.
It's pretty exciting.
Times ance.
What, other than, other thaneating the rollos, we know that
you aren't eating at the bistro.
(48:12):
'cause you said it was hot orthere was a cold front, so No.
Did he get the, he got the ACgoing.
Oh, he's a listener.
Oh, dude.
He got, he smoked a Turkeybreast and made a Turkey club
and that sucker was that big.
It was so good.
Hmm.
Oh, it was so good.
(48:32):
So did he use just like a, awall unit as recommended by the
LU podcast or what did he do?
No, he got actual unit.
Oh wow.
And did some duct work, but it'sstill not enough to cool it, but
it's as hot as it's been, butit's, it's cooler.
It's, it's tolerable.
You're not gonna go, it's notlike my house, but it's
(48:54):
definitely cool.
Yeah, it's cool enough to go inthere and eat and relax a minute
while you're on a hot day.
Well, so go ahead.
No, I didn't have anything yousaid.
So with a pause like you'regetting ready to say something.
Can y'all have there I was gonnawrap this up.
This, I was gonna wrap thisthing up and just tell people,
(49:14):
keep reaching out.
Uh, you know, we got a, I don'teven know how to get ahold of
these people, but, um, you know,I did hear from one member who
some of the people were, who areincumbents running.
I'm not gonna track these peopledown.
I'm sorry, but like it would benice if, if you know those folks
and they would like to be heardon around the shoot, we'll g,
(49:36):
we'd love to talk to'em.
Yeah, we wanna talk to everybodythat's a candidate.
Um, ONTAP, who's our next one?
Corbin.
Logan Sampson I think is who wedecided to do.
Now, Logan Sampson from RubyValley.
Then who do you got after that?
And then we've got Robert Groomand then Brian Palmer.
He's got a very unique story.
The Robert Groom guy.
Pretty cool we got, and thenwe've got Brian Palmer.
(49:58):
So we've got those Palmerscheduled, but I would like to
hear from more people.
I mean, I don't know if that's,if they're listening, yeah,
reach out'em, I'm trying, I'mtrying to get their numbers and
I'm gonna ask them, and I'm notgonna hound them, but if they
want to come on, I want to reachall of Branch out and try to get
'em to come.
Yeah, good.
It'd be good.
Yeah.
(50:19):
I think hopefully too, some ofthese, maybe some of these will,
some of these will air and folkswill realize we aren't just here
to hold your feet to the firinggrill.
You, we just wanna get to knowyou as simple.
Right.
So, anyways, well, Corbin, youwanna take us out?
Yeah.
Uh, I guess without further ado,let's take it away.
Tumor.
(50:41):
We will see you next time aroundthe shoot.
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