Interview with AAA Board Candidate, Logan Sampson

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Logan Sampson, a rancher from Ruby Valley, Nevada, discusses his background, including his childhood in California and his transition into ranching. He shares insights into his family's agricultural roots, his international experiences, and his aspirations for running for the American Angus Board of Directors. The conversation also delves into issues such as transparency within the association, the controversial methane grant, and the importance of including commercial breeder's perspectives.

Episode Transcript

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Um, but Vince, welcome to runthe shoot.
You're in, you're in SanFrancisco right now.
You're, you're really close toour friend Joe.
Yeah, I came to check on him.
It's, it's really weird.
It, it not seeing his face onthis computer, isn't it?
Yeah, it is.
Joes not with us this tonight.

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This is literally the only timeI ever get on the computer is to
do the, uh, podcast Really?
Or to get on Angus andregistered calves.
And Joe's face is normally hereand so it's really weird when
you register Cash Joe's here.
I normally have to call him andask him questions whenever I'm
doing it.
Like, the question I need to askis, how do I make this cheaper?

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So I got, I'm over here doing'ema third at a time just so I can
afford it.
Joe couldn't make it tonight.
He's got some, uh,, family dealshappening and he needed to be
with them and, um, he will beback hopefully the next time.
Yeah.
He wanted everyone to know thathe is fine and everyone's fine.

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It's all good.
It's just, uh, he couldn't makeit as, as, yeah.
And as a great family man and,and person that he is.
If, if his family needs him, I,I can tell you where Joe's gonna
be, but, um, so we're, we are onto guest number three today,
Vince?

(01:27):
Yeah.
Um, we've got Logan Sampson andwhere he's, he's from Idaho,
right?
Yeah.
He digs potatoes by hand.
He digs potatoes by hand.
He's got a special shovel.
Yeah, he's got a special shovel.
He's sitting, his background aswe're looking at him right now
is he's sitting in the OvalOffice and he's, he's at.

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The podium and he is ready tobe, show how, um, a positive
candidate is supposed to takethis.
Right?
Well, hopefully, hopefully,hopefully.
Well, folks, without furtherado, here's Logan Sampson.
He, he comes from Idaho.

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Um, I don't know how much you, Iknow, I know he raises, um, good
cattle and I know that it'scalled Birch Creek Angus.
But, uh, without further ado,let's, let's hear a little bit
more about you than just thatLogan.
Okay.
So we'll just get into themisinformation right up front.
Vince, I'm not from Idaho, but,um, we can, we can make two

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corrections here.
I'm from Nevada and Vince, Vincemade like, did I not just say
that before we started Nevada?
You did.
But here's the problem.
Nevada, you made theunpardonable sin and you called
it Nevada.
Nevada, and that's, that's a nogo.
You, Nevada, you cannot Nevadacall the state of Nevada.
Nevada.
Nevada.
That's how you can Nevada.
Nevada out of staters rightthere.
Potato.

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How close, but how close are youto Idaho?
I'm actually only like two hoursfrom Idaho.
And I also know, I also knowthat your partner is from Idaho.
Yes.
Yeah.
My business partner Is thatlegal in Nevada?
Nevada.
Nevada.
Nevada.
Which one?
Nevada.

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Nevada.
Nevada.
Nevada.
Nevada.
Yeah.
It was legal there, right?
There's a lot of things that arelegal here.
They got a whole town that, thatthe, the whole premise is
thing's being legal.
Why are you so tan?
Me?
Yeah.
Well I was in, um, were youplaying golf with Trump?

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Uh, I, I, I probably would'verather been, no, I mean, that's
just from working.
I mean, listen, some of us haveto get out there and do some
work to earn, earn some money,you know, make a living.
So I, I'd do that outside andthe, the sun happens to, you
know, be out, race my skin withthis beautiful tan.
No, I was in Mexico a couplemonths ago too, so that helped.

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Oh, well, I mean, I think whenwe interviewed Brooke, he had
just gotten back from vacation.
He was all tanned up.
What's that time of year, Vince?
Yeah, I think, um, I, I'm thatdark.
Why are you so white?
Cor?
I think I'm that dark.
I just think the lighting inthis room, you know, you know.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
You are even like olive skinnedand I know you're dark.
I'm a little dark.
You can't even see my arm.

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I feel like I'm more red thantan.
So, Logan, why don't we get intoit?
You got rid of themisinformation, so keep going.
Okay, so I'm, my name's LoganSampson from Nevada, from Ruby
Valley, Nevada.
Ruby Valley is in the northeastcorner of the state, uh, as far
away from Las Vegas as possible,which is like, that's where we

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want it to be, is way far away.
Um, or I, I'm in the highdesert, so we're at an elevation
about 6,100 feet.
Um, and, uh, we, we run acommercial cow calf operation up
here, run about 300 cows there,and then we run another 200 plus
registered cows, and then welease, um, another 250

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commercial cows at another placejust down the road that we use
for resets for our embryotransfer program.
So, um, that's, that's just alittle bit about the ranch.
You want me to give you abackground of where I come from
and who I am, or, yeah, yeah.
Tell us a all about, um, whereyou come from and your family
and everything else.

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Okay.
So I, I can pretty wellguarantee that it's probably
gonna be.
Way different than everyoneelse's, um, explanation of their
background.
I was actually born in the BayArea in California, about 20
minutes outside of SanFrancisco.
Um, and I lived there for thefirst, well, let's say 18 years

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of my life, off and on.
Uh, my dad actually worked forLevi Strauss during that time.
Uh, and so I, I grew up there,not in an ag background, uh, but
my parents do come from an agbackground.
They actually met out here inRuby Valley.
My mom and her family have livedout here.
She'd be third generation, sothat makes me fourth generation.

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Um, and my dad was a hey boy andmet her, uh, one summer and, uh,
they ended up getting married,worked out here for a little
bit, and then due to somecircumstances outside of their
control, they, they ended upmoving away from the ranch for a
few years.
And, uh, yeah, that's why I wasnot born out here.

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Um, I grew up 30 minutes fromthe coast before high school.
I'd, you know, occasionally goload a, load a surfboard up and
drive out to the coast and dosome surfing before class.
What you, Sam, you, me, you hada van?
I did not.
Van.
I actually had a 300 zx and Imean, it was like a sports car

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and it had the t tops andeverything and surfboard
sticking in it.
Yeah, the surfboard, the, thetip of the surfboard sticking
outta the T top.
They're driving.
Oh man.
So, uh, yeah, I, I, I mean, I'dsurfed before high school.
I was actually, um, acompetitive rock climber in high

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school and I was sponsored and,uh, essentially a, a pro pro
climber at that point.
I had sponsors, took me tonational championships and um, I
manage a climbing gym.
Uh, wow.
This is ag related.
Um, so that's how I grew up.
But I'd go work summers, uh, at,out here in Ruby Valley, or out

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on my aunt and uncle's dairyfarm in Utah.
And so I was still like, I knewthat's where I wanted to be, but
because we lived in the city, itwasn't really a, a possibility
at that time.
So, but you did have yourintroduction to ag that way, so
you, it's, you had it in yourblood, it's just you couldn't
really act on it'cause of whereyou lived.
Yeah, yeah.

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And, and like, so every summerwe'd come out to Nevada for a
little bit.
Um, back to the, back to theranch out here, uh, all my
cousins on my mom's side, they,you know, they're out here on,
on their, their ranches and, um,uncles, aunts and uncles too.
And, um, yeah, so I, I was outhere doing work or actually I

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spent more time in Utah, uh, ata dairy farm moving pipe and.
Uh, doing all the dairy work,which is not my favorite thing
to do.
That's why I ended up on a,yeah, yeah.
Totally different deal.
Um, but yeah, so we lived inAustralia for a couple years
when I was younger.
Oh, wow.
What?
Uh, that's pretty cool.

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That's some good surfing downthere, huh?
Uh, well, at that point, I, Iprobably was not, um, old enough
to drive myself to, uh, this,this, this before.
Uh, this is, this is, this isearly.
I was, you know, early onkindergarten, first grade time.
So your timeline is all screwedup.
But yeah, I'm all over theplace.
Yeah.
I think in order to run for theboard of directors, you have to

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be born an American citizen.
Actually, I just totally madethat up just to make it sound
more presidential.
That's probably not even a rule,but, uh, can you confirm, well,
I've got the bylaws here.
We can look at it if you want.
Can you confirm or deny that youmust?
I'll look through it.
I was born in the US anyway, soit's okay.
I was born in, I was born.
California.

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Oh boy, that is awesome though.
And then, so then you moved, youmet, when did you meet your
wife?
So, um, I met my wife when Iwent to school.
I went to Utah State University.
Um, ah, and, uh, so I actually,I'd just gotten back.
I lived in Mexico for a littlebit and I just got back from

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Mexico and, uh, went to schoolfor a little bit and met my
wife.
I like within the first coupleweeks.
And, um, she's from Ohio and we,you know, we dated for a while,
a couple, I dunno, a year and ahalf or so.
And, um, a a ways through.
I told everyone it was lookinglike we were gonna end up

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getting married.
I said, well, you're, you're,you've got one option for a job
if you wanna work.
And that's a school teacherbecause that's, that's it,
that's all there is.
And a, and a school.
And that's it.
So she actually got her degreein elementary education and
special education, and sheteaches out here at a one room
schoolhouse.
It's K That's so awesome.

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Yeah, K through eight.
And she has, uh, a kid in everygrade, but eighth grade this
year.
So she pretty much has to wearmany hats and know how to, you
can't just prepare a lesson andteach a bunch of kids the same
thing.
No, she gives eight, eightlessons a day.
I mean, that eight differentgrades a day.
So that, that would be difficultto do.

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Yeah, it's Now are any of thoseyour children?
Yeah, I have three kids.
Um,'em, one of'em still here atthis school.
Uh, my youngest Quinn, he's inseventh grade.
And then I've, I've got anotherone in high school.
Uh, but because, you know, welive far away from town, he has
to board out during the week, sohe, he actually doesn't live

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with us during the week.
He, he stays with other people,um, while he is going to high
school.
So.
And how far away is that?
It's about, it's a little underan hour.
Yeah.
Oh wow.
It's not, it's not too bad.
So can we back up just a second?
What that's interesting aboutyour wife in teaching all those
grades.
Like how many kids is in that,in each class?

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Didn't he, didn't he say there'seight?
Oh, there's 11.
There's 11 kids in eightdifferent grades.
There's 11 total Vince.
Yeah.
11 total.
Alright.
Yep.
K through eight, but not ineighth grade this year.
So there's every grade, buteighth grade.
Right.
Don't worry though, because nextyear his youngest son, Quentin

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is gonna be grade.
So she'll get to teach an eighthgrader next year.
Yeah.
She'll add a grade, she'll havea, she'll have a kindergartner
coming in too.
So she'll have nine grades nextyear with more kids.
Yeah.
And then I've got another kidthat goes to, she's a freshman,
uh, Utah state.
She is majoring in, um.

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Oh, I don't even know.
Something ag related it.
It'll probably, yeah.
Well she's, uh, she's going to,so did you, did you have an ag
based, did you do ag based whenyou went to Utah State too?
I did.
So I actually started in animalscience and then I changed to,
um, international business, andthen I changed to finance and
econ and with a minor inSpanish.

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So I think I, I would've hadseveral if you had said, if you
had said, if you'd said Corbin,I want you to guess what Logan's
what?
Logan's graduation plan.
I might have said what you justsaid.
I, I might have just based onthe rest of the interviews, like
I'm pretty sure he dideverything.
I'm pretty sure he's beeneverywhere and done everything.
Absolutely.
And, uh, what more could youwant from a board of directors

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candidate and someone who's beenall over the world?
That's right.
That's right.
Brains Line Ecology Management.
That's what my daughter's majoris.
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.
Get there.
So now, so you've got threekids, you got a family.
What, what, you went to school,Utah State, you knew you were
gonna, uh, go back to the farm.

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Was that, what was that like?
Was it just like an easytransition?
You guys just moved out thereand you had a farm and you took
it over?
Or, or what, how did that go?
Yeah, so, um, I mean, my dadretired from his career and we
ended up moving back out here.
Um, and he, he was running the,he was running the ranch while I

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was at school and then heactually ended up getting cancer
and my mom had, um, a horseaccident.
So they were both kind of laidup and, uh, it was a year into
our marriage and I, I was up atschool my junior year and so I
actually left college to comehome to take over the ranch.
And my wife stayed at school tofinish for that last year.
And, um, I've been here since,uh, and, um.

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I am gonna throw another one atyou.
So right before, right before Icame home, lived in Germany for
a spell I'll lu you into a sensefalse sense of security.
No.
So, um, right before I came homefrom school and my parents had
their, um, health problems, Iwas actually on the road touring
with a horse clinician outtaCalifornia.

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And I, I happened to be in, Iwanna say like New Mexico when I
got the call that, um, my momhad had an accident and I, I got
on a plane and flew home rightaway.
And so I was kind of in themiddle of that, um, when, when I
ended up coming home.
And then, so, so, so the planprobably wasn't a, when you came

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home wasn't just like, oh, I'mgonna stay forever, but just
kind of, it kind of turned inthat because it had to, needed
to, at, at that point, I mean,my plan was to come back home to
the ranch and run the ranch, butit was probably a year later.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, so I ended up home a little.
Earlier than what I had plannedon initially.
Um, but I, so on a side note, bythe way, uh, for those of you

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who are recently married, um,spending the first year away
from your spouse, uh, ofmarriage, it ex it really
strengthens a marriage.
My wife likes me way.
It's fine.
We can try it.
It worked out pretty well forus.
So, yeah.
So, um, I know that some, somemarried couples end up spending

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a year apart, like in the middleof their marriage and that seems
to work.
Sometimes we just need you doit.
I feel like that if you do it upfront, that odds, the longevity
right there.
I, I'm pretty sure the one thatCorbin are talking about are, it
does not add strength or doesn'treally help.
No, it actually shortens things.
But I can say, I can say that Ileft this weekend.

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I was out of town this weekendand I, and I, I think that was
healthy.
I think Lucy was ready for me toleave for a weekend.
So.
You know.
Yeah.
I think sometimes you need abreak from each other.
A year seems like a long time,but it is what it is.
Yeah.
I mean that, so that's mymarriage counseling for this
session, by the way.
So do you charge for that or,uh, no, that one's on the house.

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I'll let you have that.
The house.
Oh, thank you very much.
Yep.
Let's dive into the moneymakingstuff now, huh.
Okay.
So, um, so I guess the best, thebest question to, to start off
with is, uh, why do you wannarun for the American Inc
Association Board of Directors?

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So, um, I've, I've kind of hadit in the back of my mind for a
while and, uh, I mean, I'm anewer breeder, you know, I, it's
not like my name's out there,I'm not a big, well-known
breeder by any means.
Um, and so it was something I'vealways kind of had on my radar,
but, um, just, I, I would, Iwould say in the last few

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months.
With all that's been going on inthe, in the association with,
um, the Methane grant and a lotof, um, division within the
breed.
It was one of those things thatit, it just, one day I was
thinking about it and I waslike, you know, this, this might

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be the time for me to run.
And, um, I didn't, I didn'treally talk to my wife about it
upfront.
What I, I, I kind of thoughtabout it for a while and she,
uh, knew I had it in the back ofmy mind, but, um, I didn't
really want to talk to her untilI had made a decision, um, like,

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did I really wanna pursue thisor not?
And so, uh, I kind of relied alittle bit on my faith there for
a little bit.
I was taught a while ago that Ifyou think about things long
enough and, and kinda let the,the Lord do the work for you
and, and let him kind of guideyou, it'll become clearer and
clearer in your mind.
And, and that's how I kind offeel like I, I let that dictate

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my life a lot where I'll thinkabout things and um, and if I
feel really good about it andit's something very clear in my
mind, then I feel like, youknow, the Holy Ghost is stalking
to me and that's, that's whatI'm gonna do.
And so I let that process happenbefore I approached my wife
about it, um, because in mymind, I mean, it's, it is kind
of a God first and then, andthen family for me.

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Uh, and so I, I did, I, I, I lethim kind of guide me on that
and, and I felt like it was theright thing to do.
And then I talked to her aboutit and she's always very
supportive.
I mean, from our previousconversations, I think you can
gather that I, I like to do alot of different things.
Um, and she was not surprised atall that this was kind of the

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path that I wanted to take.
And, uh, she was, she wassupportive.
And so, you know, we're a goodspot.
Our kids, um, we've only got oneat home right now.
Um, and, and it was, it justfelt like the right time for me.
And, and so I feel like witheverything that's going on,

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I've, I've had discussions withother breeders and they felt a
little uneasy about, you know,the, the methane grant deal and,
um, which I'm sure we'll getinto here in a little bit.
But, uh, uh, and some othertopics that have come up and,
uh, you know, in ourconversations we're like, well,
we, you know, I, I think youshould run.
And I said, well, I've thoughtabout it.

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And the more and more I thoughtabout it, the more it felt
right.
And I feel like I can be onethat I will listen to everyone.
I mean, I have no problem takingany phone call and having any,
any discussion or conversationabout whatever topics out there.
Nothing, nothing really bothersme.
Uh, I taught my kids from ayoung age that they need to be

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the ones that seek out the onesthat I, I call'em maybe
disenfranchise or the ones thatare off on their own and don't
feel like they have anybody.
And so I don't feel like I wouldbe a great example if in this
case I didn't stand up and dosomething, because that's
important to me.
We have to find the people thatfeel like they're left out and
we have to find a way to includethem and, and let them be heard.

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And sometimes people just wannabe heard and whether or not they
get their way, if they're heard,at least they feel like they're,
they're wanted and needed and,and a part of something special.
And I, I feel like we've lostthat to a certain extent within
the, um, the American EggsAssociation right now during
this kind of difficult time.

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Uh, I'm gonna bring that back.
Have you talked to many people,um, over the course of you
running, I mean, you were justtalking about people that feel
like they haven't been heard.
I mean, have you talked to manypeople one way or another that
feel like they haven't beenheard or that Angus Association

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is going the right way on all,any of the things that they're
doing?
Yeah, so, uh, I mean, evenbefore I announced, I had some
pretty good support, but sinceI've announced my candidacy, I,
I've had, I've made a lot ofphone calls and I've received
phone calls and, uh, I've talkedwith a lot of people and it's
not, I mean, it's not justNevada, California, Idaho, you

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know, west Western states.
It's all over the United States.
And, uh, the phone calls havebeen really, really interesting
and.
The, the common, the commontheme that I feel like I've
taken out of those phone callsis that, um, people see that

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there is a disconnect right nowfrom the membership to the
board.
And whether or not that's a realthing or not, it doesn't matter
because perception is reality.
So if they feel that that'stheir reality, right?
Even if that's not necessarilythe case, you know, which I
would, I would probably say itis, but, um, some, some people

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would argue that there's nodisconnect.
Uh, if you feel it, that's,that's your reality.
Do you think there's a way tofix that disconnect?
Is there a way to fix that?
Is that what you said?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, I think we're in theprocess of it right now.
I mean, make your voice heard,uh, volunteer, step up and, um,
become a delegate.

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Step up and run for the board.
Uh, talk to your board members.
Uh, mark McCulley has actuallybeen really good to talk to on
the phone.
I, I would say of the CEOs thatI've run into in the past, he's
probably the most accessible.
Um, and I'm, you know, like Isaid before, you know, he

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doesn't know me from anybody,but he was more than willing to
call me back and haveconversations.
Now, did we agree on everythingwe talked about?
Not really, but he was at leastvery cordial and, uh, explaining
things well.
And, uh, you know, I, I feellike he was pretty accessible.
So that was, that was actually areally good experience and, and

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board members as well.
Um, they've been, they've beenreally good to talk to.
And, uh, one thing I wanna pointout too is, you know, I'm
assuming, I don't know yet whoelse is running as far as
incumbents.
But I would assume that all fiveare.
All five are.
And so here's one thing thatI've, as I've had discussions

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with people, this is one thingthat I've brought up and they've
actually brought up too.
I'm not running against them.
I'm running for the membership.
Yeah.
And it has nothing.
They're very good people.
You know, I have no doubt that,I mean, I know some of them
pretty well.
I have no doubt they're goodpeople and they, they mean well,
in my opinion, we just need todo better.

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And I intend to do that.
And that's why I'm running.
I think it's, um, it's awfulimportant to remember and I
think, I'm glad you brought thatup.
It's important to remember thatwe're all in this together.
Even if we don't agree the, thedirection, whether someone
believes we should go thisdirection or this direction, it
doesn't really matter what youbelieve.
We all want the end result to begood.

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Mm-hmm.
We all want it to be a netpositive.
So hopefully, um, we get morevoices in there that kind of.
Have that same sentiment where Icare about, um, this big mega
breeder just as much as I careabout that guy that has 10 cows.
Yeah.
Right.
And I would, I would say too, inmy discussions with people,

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that's a general feel withpretty much everyone is, Hey, we
just need better communication.
And, um, I mean, let's just talkin regards to the, the methane
grant, because I obviously wecan't run away from that.
It's, it's out there.
And, um, that's one of thereasons that there's a lot of
people that might, might feelupset.
Um, in my discussions with, withthe people that I've spoken

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with, they, they bring that upand, and here's my, here's my
take on it.
By the way, what's done is done.
That money is not, if I could,if I could figure out a way to
send that money back, I would.
But if, if we're beingrealistic, it's not going
anywhere.
Exactly.
And so the question is, where dowe go from here?

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And that's been what's beenstressed the, the most from my
conversations is what do we donow?
And what we do now is we, wepush for more transparency.
We push for betterrepresentation in the boardroom,
and, uh, we push for everyone tohave a voice, an equal voice.

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Now, how do we do that?
I, I think we're in the processof it.
Like I brought up before, um, I,and, and there's some people
that just, you, you know, theyrefuse to accept that there's
some division out there andpeople are upset about that.
But that is the, I've, I'veprobably made fifty, sixty,
seventy phone calls at thispoint, and I would say less than

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10% are in that boat.
And the vast, vast majority ofpeople see division.
See something wrong and they,they want something changed.
And in some cases they don'teven know what that something
is.
They just know that, hey, we, atthis point, it's not working.
We gotta do something different.
And so, uh, I mean, we bouncearound ideas.

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I've got, I've got ideas ofthings that we can do.
Um, it's, it's gonna take workno doubt, but it, it's not as if
any of this is unachievable.
And I think that's what wereally need to kind of fall back
on, is we can make thingshappen.
We just have to, we just have todo the legwork and get out there
and make phone calls and talk topeople and, and, and really hear

(26:56):
what they're saying.
Well, I know a lot of peoplethat I've talked to feel that
the association is really not intheir corner, that they just
keep coming up with things thatwork against them.
Yeah.
And I'm not gonna lie, I feltlike that numerous times, but

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it's.
Uh, there's a lot of that and,and I don't know, I don't know
people, there's nobody in mycircle.
I'm sure there's plenty ofpeople out there that think the
opposite.
There's nobody in my circle thatfeels like, oh, no, no, they're,
you know, they're really gettingafter it and, and they're doing

(27:36):
this right.
And they're doing that right.
And they're, they're, you know,making our cattle worth more or
whatever, you know.
Um, it just, there's lots offolks that feel like they're, I
mean, it goes back to what youwere saying.
They're not being heard.
They're not, they don't feellike anybody's in their corner.
Yeah.

(27:57):
And hopefully this will startbeing corrected.
Um, I'm sure it's gonna take awhile.
I mean, I don't think it'sanything that can happen
overnight, but, you know, maybewe start getting, um, some
different thinkers in theboardroom that have different
perspectives and.
You know, maybe they can help'emout.

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So I don't know.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I, so I would say too, um, Ithink, I think a lot of stuff
going on at the, at theassociation is very
well-meaning, but, uh, I, I feellike we've gotten away from the
original intent of what, uh, theAngus Association was formed.

(28:40):
Uh, why was it formed?
And don't you have that rightthere?
I just, I do, I just wanna, Ijust wanna read just real quick,
from the very beginning of thecharter, um, because when we
read from, from the AngusAssociation, uh, charter and
bylaws, it lays it out prettyclearly.

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And I feel like people recognizethat maybe we've, there, there
are programs out there that aregreat, that are helping us,
right?
But.
Are we to the point now wheresome of the secondary entities
have, have taken over animportance from the primary
purpose of, of the American AgAssociation?
And I would say that some peoplebelieve that that's the case.

(29:22):
Um, and, and so let me just, letme just read a couple lines
here.
And it says, the purpose forwhich the association is formed
or purposes are, number one, tomaintain unimpaired the purity
of certain cattle.
And it goes on to explain, youknow, it was pulled Aberdeen
Angus, and now it's known asAngus.
And then to collect, verify andpreserve and publish the

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pedigrees of that breed and suchother information and data as it
seems necessary to promote thatbreed of cattle.
And then I'm just gonna bouncedown just a little bit because I
think, uh, this next part kindof brings it back around and it
says the association.

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Shall promote the commonbusiness interests of its
members, but not engage in aregular business of a kind
ordinarily carried on forprofit.
So that lays it out pretty clearin my mind.
Um, the primary purpose is totrack pedigrees and
registrations and all that otherstuff is great, and I'm not

(30:30):
gonna sit here and say, shutdown a GI or certified Angus
beef, because those programshave definitely been a value
add.
But at what point has the tailstarted to wag the dog?
Meaning do those secondaryentities take more importance
over the membership and theirpriorities and their businesses?

(30:55):
I don't know.
I don't know if they're we'rethere or not, but in my
conversations with, withdelegates and, and members, some
of'em express a discomfort.
With that.
And, and so the challenge thatwe now face as, as potential
board members or even thecurrent board, current board

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members, is how do we, how do webalance that?
How do we balance, you know,progress within genetics and
genomics and, and all endcertified angu beef?
How do we, how do we balancethat with the primary purpose of
the organization, which is themembership?
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
So, um, I, I don't think it's, Ithink if one person feels like

(31:38):
they're disenfranchised or that,or that they're not, um, their
opinion doesn't matter, thenit's too many.
You bet.
And so, um, one of the thingsthat we keep hearing about is,
is a lack of transparency.
Lack of transparency.
Um, how do we fix that?
I mean, it seems like, oh,there's transparency issues.
Well, let's talk more.

(31:58):
Well, that, that has to be morecomplicated than that, right?
So.
I mean, shoot, I'd love to throwout a one sentence answer and
solve all the problems.
Uh, I haven't found, I haven'tfound that sentence yet, but I'm
working on it primarily.
The, the very first thing thatneeds to happen is there needs

(32:19):
to be more respect for differingviews.
And what I mean by that is if I,if I think that, you know,
something isn't working well andI bring that up to someone, I
don't want an explanation aboutwhy I'm wrong.
I want, I want a conversation ofunderstanding like, hey, okay,
I, I can see your point of view.

(32:40):
What can we do better to serveyou a member?
And I don't feel like we havethat right now.
Um, the conversations I've hadhave have more been, they've
been steered more towards, well,this is why we do it that way.
And, and, uh, like, great.
Okay.
Uh, that's a great explanation.
However, you didn't really calmmy fears at all.

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So it starts with that.
Um, second there, there are somethings that have been suggested
that I would support, uh,whether that's, um, broadcasting
meetings.
Um, obviously there are certainthings that can't be broadcast
that have to be in executivesession, but, um, for the most
part, I would say the generalbusiness, um, of the American

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AIDS Association would be fineto, to broadcast.
Some people could watch, and Idon't know if you guys have been
involved in local government,um, at all, but, and I'll just
use this as an example.
I can go to my county commissionmeeting and I have an agenda
laid out in front of me and it'slaid out pretty well and it, and
it lists in detail for the mostpart, uh, what is going to be

(33:47):
discussed and whether or notit's an action item.
And so I know what's gonna bevoted on and what's not gonna be
voted on at any particularmeeting.
Uh, you know, the, the AmericanAg Association, they lay out an
agenda, but there's so much morethat can be done there to get
that information to themembership, uh, and, and let
them know, Hey, we're gonnaaddress this or that, or what,

(34:10):
you know, whatever the topic is.
And, uh, that, that's a simplesolution of what, what can be
done now to get, uh, themembership more involved that,
uh, I mean, that wouldn't takehardly anything.
And one of the other thingsthat's been brought up is the
fact that, uh, you know, we haveso many different ways of
receiving information that, um,the American Eggs Association

(34:34):
feels like, Hey, how do we reachout and, and let every member
know what's going on?
And I mean, a simple solutionthere is when we read, when we
renew our annual, um,membership, we can indicate our
contact preferences, whetherthat's through email or text, or
what, whatever that preferenceis.
We can let them know, Hey, Iwanna be contacted in this way.

(34:58):
And, um, then we're notguessing, oh, you know, we're
not sending texts out, we're notsending emails out, we're not
sending all these differentmethods of transmission out.
And, you know, we get overloadedwith all of that, and we just
ignore all of them, which I feellike that's what's happening
now.
And so it's a valid argumentthat they have, that it's
difficult to reach themembership.
But there are some, there aresome solutions that we can offer

(35:20):
to, to maybe make that easierand more palatable to the
membership.
What you had, you had mentionedjust a second ago about, uh,
some things that were done bythe executive committee maybe
couldn't be, um, couldn't bebroadcast like, but why?
Well, so if there's, if there's,uh, any decisions that need to

(35:43):
be made as far as, um, like on amethane research project No.
That, I mean, so to me that's,that was in the executive
committee deal.
And that shouldn't be.
And that's where good judgmentcomes into play.
And that should be out in theopen.
And, uh, I mean, they're there,they are there making decisions
for us as the member, you know,as members.
Right, right.

(36:03):
And that's one of those thingsI, you know, I'd say more like
hiring and firing decisions.
Those, those types of things,you know, that would be an, an
executive committee where it's alittle more sensitive that you
can't have in a public meetingif you're gonna discuss those
things, which probably, youknow, most likely would be
addressed with hr.
But there are occasions andthey're rare where you need to

(36:26):
be an executive committee.
The problem is when we, when wehave that as an option, people
take advantage of it, and they,th they think, oh, well, we
don't want this difficultdecision to be out in the open.
And so, oh, executive committee,like, that's not how that works.
It's, it's for, it's, it's theexception, not the rule.

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And we've made it the rule, notthe exception.
Do you think they.
Should have on, on a big, bigdecisions like the, the methane
deal.
Do you think that they shouldhave tried to reach out to the
membership and ask theirthoughts, or do you think that's
something that they, I mean, theboard should just know better

(37:08):
for the membership and, and it'sokay that they make those
decisions?
Well, so personally, I don'tfeel like they should have been
involved in the, in the, uh,decision in the first place.
I don't Right.
I don't think that should havebeen an option, but, but it was,
it was brought to the table by aGI, yeah.
So I'm, I'm just saying, I, Idon't disagree with what you're

(37:29):
saying.
Go ahead and finish what you'resaying.
Well, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'llkind of bring it back around to
that.
Okay.
Um, a couple years ago, and Ibrought up this, this
conversation before, but acouple years ago I was at a
convention and, uh, I think itwas in the, in the caucuses and
there was a, in the caucuses,you have a, uh.

(37:50):
Kind of a question and answerwith the, um, candidates running
for the board.
And what, there's a questionasked about something, and it
was political, I wanna say maybeit was mandatory country of
origin labeling or something.
And they asked, you know, whydoesn't the Yang Association
make a, make a statement onthis?
And essentially what they saidwas, well, we don't get involved
in political issues, which isgreat.
I'm like, okay, that's a greatanswer.

(38:11):
I right, I support that ahundred percent.
So in my mind, when we werelooking at, uh, something like
this methane grant, for example,and I know right now it's being
sold as we're studyingefficiency.
Okay.
But you have to understand thatwhether or not it's an
efficiency study the way that itwas rolled out, um, has some

(38:33):
political leanings to it.
Um, that might be a kind way tosay it.
It's a hot button issue forsure.
As we see now.
So the fact that, that we evengot involved in the first place
in it, to me it, that's not theprimary responsibility of the
American Ag Association.
I feel like there, there mayhave been support from certain

(38:56):
people, uh, and I think there isstill is, there's some support,
no doubt, from people on it.
But why do we, why do we getinvolved in these issues where
there's gonna be some divisionin the membership?
I don't think, um, it was reallythat difficult to foresee what
was gonna happen.
Um, it it, in my conversations,I have been told, yeah, we just

(39:19):
didn't expect that in my mind.
I mean, if you're on the boardof directors, you better
understand the consequences ofyour decisions.
And that's why we're there.
We have to, we have to receivethe information.
We have to study out both sides,not just, I mean, if, if I have
an opinion, I'm gonna researchthe other side too and see what,

(39:39):
what the other person is saying,because maybe I'm misinformed,
right?
I don't know.
But I'm gonna do my research.
I'm gonna get all theinformation I can, and then I'm
gonna make an educated de uh,decision based on that.
Uh, I, I just don't see ascenario where this wasn't
foreseen, right?
I could be wrong, but I, I, Ijust, I don't see that.

(40:00):
Well, they keep saying that wewere the last ones that haven't
done this study that Herefordsand ALS and, and all these other
breeds are doing it.
And I'm, I'm just wondering, isthat a big deal that they're
doing it and we're not, I mean.
No, no.
So I, I don't say this to berude to any other organization,

(40:21):
but the American EggsAssociation is head and
shoulders above every otherbreed organization.
I think if you combine all theregistrations from everyone
else, it doesn't match what wedo in the American Eggs
Association.
Right?
So to use that as a, asreasoning for entering into a
study, um, to me that thatdoesn't really check out.
And, and to go beyond that, tome it's, it's more than just the

(40:44):
study.
People have expressed that thefunding source is an issue as
well, and I would agree withthat.
Right.
Had they gone a differentdirection and sought funding
from other people, I think moreof the membership would be
accepting of it.
But there's still gonna be acertain segment and I would
probably fall in that segment.
That just feels like weshouldn't take part in it
anyway.

(41:05):
Cows are not the problem.
By, by participating in thisstudy, we almost admit that cows
are contributing to whateverthey're calling it these days.
Global warming or, or I, I, Imean, I can't even keep up.
Is it climate change?
I'm not really sure.
So we're playing into that.
We're playing into thatnarrative.
And I, we need to stay out ofthat.
That's not our responsibility.

(41:26):
Well, there's, there's, I'vetalked to several people lately
that have broken down and theyseem to have a little more
information.
Yeah.
Um, and that would just be niceto have all the information.
Like, I don't understand it.
They've been asked for it andthey won't release it.

(41:47):
So I guess what, you know, ifit's kinda what like I'm
hearing, it would probably calmsome people down if they would
explain it to'em.
Yeah.
But the way it is just thrownout there and left.
For everybody to just sit thereand stew on it.

(42:09):
I, I don't know that it's beenhandled.
Right.
Uh, well, and that's anothersentiment that's been expressed
by, um, delegates andmembership, that the approach
was not the best approach.
The rollout was not favorablefor the breed.
And those are all validarguments.
I, I mean, I absolutely agree,uh, that it, it didn't look

(42:32):
great for us.
Uh, and I, I like we can dobetter.
That's the, i I guess if, if Iwanna say, you know, one, one
phrase when catchphrase, we cando better than what we're doing
right now.
And that doesn't mean that thepeople there right now are doing
a terrible job, but we can, wecan sure.
Improve.
That's for, uh, I mean, why, whydo we become so complacent in

(42:56):
how we handle certain things?
And let's just use.
Because it's out in the newsright now.
Let's use Cracker Barrel as anexample.
Now, I, I, you know, theyobviously had some, some, uh,
public backlash for theremodeling of their restaurants
and like, I don't have anopinion one way or the other on
that, but there was publicbacklash.

(43:17):
Well, how did they address it?
They fought it for a while, butthey finally realized, hey,
finally, maybe we ought to thinkabout what our customers are
telling us.
And they, and they kind ofbacktracked and said, yeah, we
apologize.
We're gonna, we're gonna make acorrection.
You know what?
That's a, that's a pretty goodway to handle things.
If you screw up, Hey, my bad,I'll, I'll do what I can to, to

(43:38):
make it better.
Did you guys, and I don't knowif, I don't know if, I don't
know if through the whole deal,I don't know if the high brass
at American Angus Associationfeels like they've addressed the
issue and they've madeeverything.
They've disclosed everythingthey need to disclose.
Right.
And that we're the ones that arestill holding on like, Hey, we
already addressed this, but I'mjust speaking for me.

(44:01):
But I don't feel like it's beenaddressed.
I don't feel like it's been, Imean, they had, they haven't
really, I just, and maybe, maybeit's me that's never gonna be
satisfied with them runningfrom, from the controversy.
I don't know.
Maybe it's, I don't dunno.
No, I, so I, I think you'reright.
And I think that, well, I, Iknow this is the, this is a very

(44:26):
objective statement, but I knowthat the people I've talked to,
um, they feel the same way.
They feel like, Hey, we stilldon't really have the
information that we've beenasking for.
Um, the problem with that iswhen we, when we have a lack of
information, then otherinformation starts creeping in,

(44:48):
right?
And whether it's true or not,the fact that we don't have
clarification, sometimes certainarguments or certain, um,
certain topics kind of take,they take on kind of a mind of
their own.
And because we don't haveclarification, and that's the
information that's out there,that's what people grasp onto.

(45:09):
And I feel like that's what wesee in a lot of like social
media posts is, you know, there,there's some things that are
thrown out there.
Well, those things would be veryeasily taken care of if there
was some clarification and some,um, um, more information.
About, uh, where we're at as faras, uh, what that grant is.

(45:33):
And, and that's where when wetalk about transparency, which
that's the buzzword right now,people want transparency.
That's a legitimate thing.
It's not, I, you know, I saybuzzword, but that is, that,
that is, that is how peoplefeel.
They, they just wanttransparency.
They want the information.
They have people representingthem who they don't feel like,

(45:53):
uh, have provided them withadequate information to make an
educated decision.
And I, I think that's where thedisconnect is right now in the
division.
So, um, Vince asked earlier,like, how many people you've
talked to, how many people.
How many delegates, first ofall, maybe not, maybe not, maybe
just members.

(46:14):
How many members have actuallyreached out and called you once
they found out you were running?
I'm just curious because we'refar enough along in the process
of, of interviewing you guyswhere it's been like three
weeks.
So I feel like you might havestarted hearing from people.
And if you haven't startedhearing from people, I think
you're about to start.
I mean, I think you're gonnastart getting phone calls, um,
up until the election.
And then, and then I guess as afollow-up question, how are you

(46:37):
gonna handle those phone calls?
I mean, you have time foreverybody, obviously, I guess.
Yeah, so I've re I received ahandful of, of phone calls, uh,
just a couple delegates.
I I've talked to several thatthey're like, oh, you know, I,
I've been meaning to call youand you got to it before.
Um, and if we're comparing it toyears past, you know, typically

(46:57):
I would receive a, I mean, I'vebeen a de delegate for years for
Nevada, and I'd receive callsfrom, um, candidates in like
October.
I would say that myself and ahandful of the other candidates
running, they're just ahead ofthe game at this point, and
people really haven't, ifthey're not on social media,
number one, they probably don'tknow, you know, who the, who the

(47:18):
candidates are right now.
Um, but, but number two, we'rejust, we're just ahead of the
game.
So, um, I like to be proactive.
I'm gonna, I'm gonna callsomeone earlier versus later.
I just think that for, for me tobe successful in, in, um, my run
for the board, I have to contactas many people as possible and

(47:39):
just have a conversation with'em.
And so that's what I'm doing.
I'm just making phone calls and,and seeing where they're at and
having a conversation and, andgetting to know'em.
And, and I feel like that'swhere the information comes out
is, Hey, yeah, I don't agreewith it, or I do agree with it,
but then they have other, othertopics they wanna address.
Yeah, for sure.
For sure.

(48:00):
But I, so like, I wouldencourage anyone if they, if
they want to call, uh, call me.
I'm not saying call me at two inthe morning, but like, so I'm a
volunteer fire chief.
I have been for the last sevenor eight years, 10, 15, I can't
even remember, 15 years.
And, uh, I mean, I'm pretty muchup all the time.
If I'm going out on a, anaccident or a fire or whatever,

(48:23):
uh, like my phone is on all thetime, it, it never turns off.
And, uh, I have no problem.
You wanna call me at four in themorning and have a conversation?
Let's do it.
If you wanna call me at 10 atnight, let's do it.
I, I'm, I'm pretty accessible.
You can call me whenever.
I will talk about whatever youwant.
I'm gonna start calling you atrandom time.
Yeah.
Start calling him.

(48:44):
Wait, wait.
You know it'd be funny.
You call him at 2:00 AM andthen, and then have Vince call
him at 6:00 AM That way he'smake sure he is just, he's awake
at all hours.
I'm gonna call you when I takethe dog out to potty in the
middle of the night, I'll be up'cause I'll be going potty so
it's all right.
Oh man.
That's funny.
Um, well, I, I I guess your, uh,I guess your wife's your, you

(49:08):
better get, you better get outtahere'cause your wife has to go
grade 11 sets of different setsof homework you needs you to,
she needs you to take the kidsso she can grade all the
homework.
No, she doesn't give homework.
That's a, the kids love herclass'cause she doesn't, she
doesn't really give a whole lotof homework.
Is there anything else that, um,you'd like to discuss while we

(49:32):
have you on here?
Yeah, so I, so I just want to,um, you know, a lot of times
we're all members of theAmerican Egg Association, right?
And, um, we have thoughts aboutthis, you know, whether it was
right or wrong, I know we've haddiscussions with people.
I would say the vast majority ofpeople that I've talked to are

(49:55):
commercial breeders.
And here's my worry is if wedon't recognize the importance
of the commercial breeder in ourbusinesses and what they mean to
the American Angus Association,I feel like we're gonna have
real problems in the future.
And, um, and I, I, I've talkedto, I've talked to members that

(50:16):
have had customers call'em andsay, Hey, the Angus Association,
even though we're commercialproducers, they represent us
because they're the mostdominant breed out there.
And so when they, when they makedecisions.
They, they better keep us inmind because we are what, um, we
are the people that support themembers through bull purchases

(50:39):
or females or, or whatever itis.
And that's an important thingfor us to remember.
Even though we have a membershipthat's gonna go and a, and a
delegate pool that's gonna goand, and, and elect a new, um,
new board.
There are people beyond us, thecommercial producers that
sustain our living every day.

(51:01):
And if we let them down, uh,that's gonna continue to affect
our membership numbers and whatwe're able to do within the
breed.
And, and the problem is, sowe're at, we're at, you know,
the lowest recorded numbers in,in, in, uh, cows in, in recent
history, right?
And, and people are talkingabout a rebuild.

(51:21):
Do we wanna position ourselvesin a good way or in a bad way
when this rebuild starts?
Do we want to have customersbeating down our doors because
they love the Angus breed andeverything they represent, or
are they gonna wander off andkind of test the waters in other
breeds?
And right now I feel like we'rekind of walking a fine line

(51:43):
where it could go either way.
Why do we, why do we even dipour toes in that when we can
continue to dominate and, um,and provide what the producer is
asking for without putting ourfoot, foot in our mouth?
And, and to me, we need to getback to that.
Let's focus on our customers.

(52:04):
I want the association toprovide me with the tools to be
successful, but when, whendecisions are made that affect
me in a negative way, that'swhen I feel like, uh, it, well,
it's time for me to speak upand, and, and stand up for what
I believe in.
And if, if I find myself in theboardroom, which I hope I do,
and you know, I'll, I'll needthe supportive delegates out

(52:25):
there.
But if I do.
If, if something comes acrossthat I'm the only one in that
room that disagrees, I willstand up and say, no, I don't, I
I don't, I don't agree with thisnow it's still probably gonna
pass.
Right?
Right.
But at least they will know thatthey have representation in that
boardroom.
Um, and, and to, to bring thatpoint across a little more

(52:47):
clearly, uh, I was speaking withsomeone the other day and we
were talking about the, theunanimous decision on this, on
this grant.
And to me that was the mostconcerning part of the whole
deal in the first place.
If we have some, if, if we havea board that is unanimous on
something so controversial, uh,that's a concern.
Yeah.

(53:07):
And, and, and, and the wordunity was brought up, you can
still be a unified board and nothave a unanimous decision.
Correct.
At the end of the day, when adecision is made, there can be
unity in that room that supportsthe direction that they are
going or supports their fellowboard members.
While you still disagree withthat decision.

(53:29):
And, and the problem is, we'velost that.
When, when we have adisagreement with someone, you
know, it may turn into personalattacks or any of these other
things.
We can't go down that roadbecause we're not gonna get
anywhere if we start attackingeach other.
We need to, we need to learn todisagree but not be
disagreeable.

(53:50):
And I, and I feel like when webring that back around, uh,
we're gonna make progress.
We're primed for it, but we'regetting in our own way.
So I'd like to, I'd like to kindof emphasize that point that we
can still, we can still rightthe ship.
It's not like all is lost here,but we just need to make some
course corrections and we'll bejust fine.

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So, you know, it's, it's, it'skind of funny how we're sitting
here wishing someone would'vejust stood up and said, no, I
don't agree with this.
I think that, uh, if I'm tryingto look for some positive in a
negative situation, when I sitback and look at everything from
a grand perspective at, that'sthe good that I could see coming
out of this is that those boardmembers saw how the members

(54:36):
reacted.
Mm-hmm.
And so now maybe when they're inthat boardroom and there's a
decision and they sit there andthink, man, there might be some
people that this really ticksoff.
Maybe they'll think, Hmm, maybeI should, maybe I should think
about those people and not justthe people that's gonna benefit.
And so, you bet.
Um, I think next time somepeople have some decisions to

(54:56):
make, they're gonna, maybe,maybe we shouldn't take'em so
lightly.
Maybe we take everything for,for.
Brass tacks, this is what wehave to do because we have to do
it.
Maybe we think about it a littleharder and we, um, aren't afraid
of independent thought.
Yeah.
Yep.
We embrace it.
It's okay.
It's okay to think different andyou can still get along with

(55:17):
people.
Listen, I mean, uh, if we boilit down to it, I mean, there's
bulls that Vince likes that Idon't like and we we're not
scared to disagree on those.
Know what I mean?
You don't like all the bullsthat I like?
Probably not.
Corbin.
Probably not.
Probably not.
Should I start naming namesPeyton?
We can't, we can't be friendsanymore.
But so, so it's, we can disagreeon things like that.

(55:39):
We can disagree on what truckbrand we like the most.
We can disagree on what, um,steak, whether we should use
steak sauce or what we way weshould, but, but we can't
disagree on things in the board.
I, I just think it's healthy todisagree with each other
sometimes.
Yeah.
Right now it's, it's, it'shealthy and it's, in my mind,
it's, um, it's essential for agood boardroom to have all sides

(56:01):
represented., If we have, wefind ourselves in an echo
chamber or we're in big trouble.
And the thing, if you findyourself as the smartest person
in that room, you better find adifferent room.
I mean, you're in the wrong roomat that point.
So, uh, it, it's okay to havediffering opinions.
And, and another positive aboutthis is, so I know, you know,
we've talked about the delegatesituation.

(56:22):
Um, yeah.
And this came on a little latewhere I don't see, I don't think
we see that reflected as, asmuch as we could, right?
Um, but there is definite,enthusiasm out there right now
that there wasn't, you know, itwasn't there six months ago.
And that's gonna carry into nextyear.
And hopefully people understandthe delegate process a little

(56:43):
bit better.
It doesn't matter if you're, uh,a small breeder.
Who has no recognition at all.
You are just as welcome as adelegate, as the biggest breeder
out there.
And I feel like peopleunderstand that now, whereas
before they didn't.
And so like put yourself outthere, become a delegate, get

(57:05):
involved in the process and, uh,make your voice known.
And it doesn't matter who youare, anyone can do it.
Logan, have you booked your roomin Kansas City yet?
I haven't booked my room, but Ibooked my flights.
Vince, you have to go too, huh?
Yeah.
I need to get a room.
Me too.
I think, uh, I was talking toKelly yesterday.

(57:26):
I think he said we have to stayat the Marriott or something.
So that's the host hotel.
I'm actually, there's a hotelright next door.
Can we get a free room?
Free room?
Hold on.
Did you just offer me a freeroom?
Is that, is that what I just No,I said do we get a free room?

(57:47):
The only ones that get freerooms are the alternates, the
alternate delegates.
Oh, they felt really bad for us.
That makes sense.
So we get a room.
That makes sense.
Yeah.
You say, I mean, there's threeof us here.
I just assumed I was part ofthat group.
I guess I just got a No, you're,you're not an alternate, you're
a actual delegate.
Right.
I just got a text from, uh, markMcCulley.

(58:08):
He just gave me my room key.
He sent it via email.
Oh, did he?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, man.
Well, well, Logan, um, if youdon't have anything else, I
don't think he, me or Vince, I,I think you've, you've covered a
lot of bases.
We've, we've covered a lot ofground and, and we can't thank
you enough for coming on and,and taking your time outta your

(58:30):
day and, uh, entertaining us.
No, I appreciate it.
It's been great.
I hope, I hope I was able toanswer all the questions that
were thrown out there.
And again, if anyone has followup questions.
Absolutely.
Oh, there's one question thatJoe likes to ask.
Okay.
Uh, something, somethingjudiciary.

(58:51):
No, that's not it.
Not the judiciary.
Do you want me to read thequestion because I've got, I
knew my question did, so that'snot it.
I bet you have a great answeralready worked up.
Let's, that's great answer.
I'm ready.
Let's please not talk aboutthat.
I don't want to talk about that.
No, but I was, well, Joe reallydoes like to ask, um, are you
going to have your candidacy inthe journal?
Yeah.
Yeah.
You got it all in there.

(59:11):
They've already got yourinformation.
Did, don't they do a, uh,interview as well, like a
podcast type thing?
Audio?
Yeah.
So I was on that.
So we recorded it last week, Ibelieve sometime last week out.
And where will they Nice.
What's that?
Where Will, where will they beand when will they come out?

(59:31):
Um, I believe it'll come out inSeptember.
I didn't get a specific date.
Okay.
Um, I'm, hopefully, I wouldassume that the, uh.
Angus media puts a little QRcode in the, wouldn't you think
Shirley put a little QR code toyour little podcast?
Shirley, Shirley?
I would hope so.
If they didn't, then they shouldprobably listen to our podcast.

(59:55):
And I probably, I probably soundreally stupid for, uh, saying
they should implement somethingthey've been implementing since
2010.
But, you know, they, that onewas pretty brief.
I, I wanna say it was like, Idon't know, seven or eight
minutes or something, so Ididn't really get to explain my
whole surfing and climbing allthe other stuff.

(01:00:16):
I, I cut it to like 30 seconds.
So I feel like I put on a lot.
Well, I, there's, there'sprobably, um, if we had another
podcast, there would probably beanother mountain of information
that you didn't even get toshare in this one.
Right?
Oh, I've got a lot.
Trust me.
I bet you got some stories fromthose days in.
I got some stories.
I'll tell you some stuff inMexico.

(01:00:37):
Oh my God, my man had to sneakback in.
He had to sneak back into thecountry.
Why do you guys only have apodcast?
What do we have?
Like an hour?
We could make this thing intolike four hours.
Come on.
Oh, yeah.
Easily.
I think Corbin's gotta make sometrades for his fantasy football.
Oh, I love fantasy football.

(01:00:58):
It's fun.
I drafted my team last week andI'm feeling pretty good about
it.
Oh, here we go.
Normally.
Normally, um, I come out of thedraft smell like roses this year
I just, I, I just didn't put itall together in the draft.
So maybe my luck will be theopposite because I always have a
really good draft and thenmanage myself in the sixth

(01:01:22):
place.
So hopefully, hopefully we getalong.
I, I had a great draft lastyear.
I had Nku and McCaffrey.
They both got injured.
Like the first, and then that'sthe part of it too.
You can't control that.
Yeah.
Do you like, uh, that's firsttime too.
Do you like college football?
Uh, yeah.
I mean, I'll watch it if it'son, it's coming on.

(01:01:43):
It's coming on tomorrow.
I'm excited for some realfootball that, that the score
actually matters.
Yeah.
I like college football betterthan the NFL.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Now Vince, Vince, what's KaitlynClark up to?
She's still hurt.
She's still hurt.
I can't watch.
Do you want to know somethingVince?
What?
Paige Becker's is better thanher.

(01:02:04):
Paige Becker's is freakingawesome.
She's really, really good.
Yes.
She's really, really good atbasketball.
Yes.
Yeah.
Hey, Carmen, are we, um, we needto go golf sometime.
You're a golfer, aren't you?
Yeah, but I hurt my wrist andI've, I've been working through
some, working through some.
I don't know.
I think I gotta have anothersurgery on it.

(01:02:26):
Is that just an excuse becauseyou're intimidated now?
Or another surgery?
Yeah, I think I gotta haveanother surgery on my wrist.
It's annoying because thosestupid wires were coming out.
No, it's, this is, this wouldbe, that was the bones and the,
these are ligaments.
They just, I don't know.
But, uh, the, the worst casescenario, I actually went to the

(01:02:46):
doctor today, so it's fresh onmy brain.
But, um, and I'm just assuming,so I just opened up, I just
opened up a sensitive wound.
Yeah.
I'm assuming it's gonna be worstcase scenario, but I have to
have a cast that goes from themiddle of my, so I have to elbow
down.
I can't like this, like I can'tmove, I'm not allowed to move
for two weeks.
Like, I can't move and I can'tmove like this for like six.

(01:03:09):
You gonna have the kickstandunder your arm, down your belly
way.
I wanna be, no way.
I'll be changing Billy's diaperwith my teeth.
I, no way.
I was at, I don't know what I'mgonna do.
I, I don't know.
It's gonna be, yeah.
Oh, congratulations.
By, by the way, um, on the, uh,birth of your daughter.
That's exciting.

(01:03:29):
Yeah.
So if I go, she's eight monthsold and you're just now
congratulating.
Listen, I haven't, it's been aminute since I've been on the
podcast or so we, uh, we, uh,I'm sure you guys, did y'all
hear her crying?
I tried to mute it when she'scrying, but it's so funny when
she laugh, when she startscrying.
It's like, well, what do youwant?
You just want some food.
It's not that hard.

(01:03:50):
That was Vince.
Gimme a minute.
So you thought it was Vince?
Vince, what?
Oh, don't cry, Vince.
I'm not crying.
So, um, Joe's gonna be proud ofus.
Vince, you think so?
I'm pretty sure Joe is not gonnabe proud of us when we derailed
into.
Football and basketball and Oh,he lives for it.

(01:04:11):
He lives for it.
No, he doesn't.
You can edit that.
That's okay.
It's all getting cut out.
The only one we're gonna about,we're about to start talking
about Super Mario Brothers.
You don't stop it.
If we're gonna start talkingabout, um, pocket knives, if we,
if we get into Mario cart, thenI'll, I can go down that road.
Yeah.
Ooh, that's a fun game.
Vince, what character do youlike to be?

(01:04:33):
I actually bet Vince, I actuallybet Vince knows a little bit
about Mario Kart.
I do.
I do.
Gotta to bring, you gotta bring,um, what is that on now?
I don't even know.
A gaming system.
Let Switch.
Myla has a nindo switch.
Yeah.
My wife just walked in the roomand told me it was Switch,
someone wearing a switch to theconvention and we had have a
Maria.

(01:04:53):
Oh, I would so get crushed.
Meet you.
I suck at it.
I'm not good now.
I don't know.
Maybe.
No, here's, here's a, here'swhat we do.
I, I will play Mario Kart forvotes.
How's that?
So it's like, I'll just bringdelegates.
If I beat you.
If I beat you, you have to votefor me.
That's right.
We're we're gonna, okay.
I know.
So I heard that, uh, I heardwe're not doing booths this year

(01:05:16):
at the convention, but we mighthave to like, um, no, you can
get a table.
No, I got it.
Get a table.
I got it.
I got it.
We're gonna set up at theMarriott outside the host hotel.
We're gonna have a little pop-uptent and we're gonna have a
switch in there.
All we need is wifi.
All we need is wifi and a$88 32inch tv.
And we're just gonna have Logansitting in a chair and I'll take

(01:05:39):
the money at the door and I'llput the money away.
You know, you gotta pay to getin there to play a game.
And then, uh, that's point.
And then if you lose, well thenyou gotta vote for Logan.
Uh, if you win, well then youstill gotta vote for Logan, but
you could tell everybody canbeat him.
So, um, this plan really?
Yeah, I, I, I see nothing wrongwith this plan.
It sounds like fun.

(01:06:01):
Vince is, Vince is not in withthe plan.
I feel like he's losing.
Listen, I used to play theoriginal Nintendo, the duck hunt
with the pistol, and the stupidcartridge wouldn't go in there
and you had to blow it out allthe time.
Yeah, yeah.
You had to blow it.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
I, uh, so actually I'm the agewhere, um, I was like five and I

(01:06:22):
got a Sega for Christmas and Icouldn't read, so I taught
myself to read just so I couldplay my, my game.
So it was actually, it workedout mean that's, that's probably
the only reason I can read thestupid.
What about Atari, Vince?
Yeah.
Did you not play Atari?
Oh, yeah.
I mean, that was the system Ican remember.
Like Frogger on Atari and thatOh, yeah.

(01:06:44):
Pole position.
Oh yeah.
Pole position.
That was great.
Pong.
Pong.
Pong, yeah.
Yeah.
The, the problem with theswitches is like the, this is
how big the stupid remote is.
I know like my hand is 17 timesbigger than the remote, so I
have issues.
And that's like, okay, so Mylahas one and she, she, oh, she

(01:07:06):
needs it.
We need to get that thing backout.
She didn't really like it'causeshe couldn't read, but she can
read now, so we need to go turnthat thing on.
There you go.
But it's like, she'll be playinga game and she'll be like, dad,
you gotta help me do this.
I'm like, oh, well I didn't getthis for me.
Like, I don't wanna play theBarbie game.
I'm sorry.
Well, I'm gonna talk to my wifeand maybe suggest a new
curriculum for kindergartners.
That's how they learn to read.

(01:07:27):
Teach'em to read.
Yeah.
There you go.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Now what would happen is Milowould say, Hey dad, can you beat
this level for me?
And I'd just sit down and startplaying it.
I look up like 30 minutes later,she's gone doing something else.
I'm like, oh my gosh, I've beenplaying the Barbie Dream game
for 30 minutes.
Without anybody telling me to.
And then I, I put it down, youknow, we gotta, we gotta gotta
quit this.

(01:07:49):
Alright, boys.
All right.
I'm gonna cut us off here.
What do we say Vince?
Take it away.
Tim.
Catch y'all next time.
I.
We will see you next time aroundthe shoot.