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In this episode of 'Around the Chute', the hosts discuss various aspects of weaning calves, emphasizing strategies for minimizing stress, such as early introduction to feed, fence-line weaning, and careful observations for health issues. They also delve into the importance of contemporary grouping for accurate performance data, sharing personal experiences and best practices for splitting groups based on factors like age, treatment, and environment. The conversation includes insights on vaccination protocols and the benefits for planning and preparing for a successful weaning process.

Episode Transcript

korbin_2_04-26-2025_1940 (00:01):
Should we just go for it Welcome to the
Round the Shoot podcast.
I don't know if this is gonnawork out good.
I'm really confused

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (00:10):
Have you guys noticed this?
I noticed this the other day.
If you want to, almost everyissue, if you choose to see the
good it's there and if youchoose to see the bad, it's also
there.

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (00:23):
and you know, what else.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (00:24):
much is just a matter of

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (00:25):
Do you know what else I've been
noticing a lot lately is thatonce someone latches onto a
certain thing, like let's sayme, you and j me, you and Vince
are considered to be a part ofthe maternal spectrum of the
Angus world, right?
I'd say generally speaking,that's, that's what we would be

(00:48):
looped in with.
Well, I feel like people withinthese certain realms are so
quick to just defend everythingthat goes on with inside the
walls of their own confines.
And I'm just sitting back, likeI, I sit back and look at this
presidential stuff, everythingthat Donald Trump does, and I'm
like, well, I don't really agreewith that.

(01:09):
But it's so funny how there's alot of people that they will
refuse to disagree because itgoes against what they are are
standing for.
So do y'all notice stuff likethat?

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:20):
tribal, tribalism, right?

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19403 (01:23):
yeah, absolutely.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:24):
what they would call it?
Tribalism?
Yeah.
And, and on your maternal thing,how many times has it been, if
you get kind of, that's whereyou think you kind of fit, but
then there's a certain factionwould be like, well, he's not
maternal enough.
And there's another like, youare this or you are that.
And it's just, know.
For me, all that stuff is sotired anymore.

(01:45):
I, I saw some stuff circulatingthis morning where I'm just, and
some phone calls I got and Ijust went, you know what I, I'm
trying to disassociate with thatstuff because generally it's not
my customers.
It's not my family.
And so it doesn't really, excuseme.
It doesn't affect me unless Iallow it to.
So I just started to, these,these people who are a drain on

(02:08):
my morale or a drain on anythingpositive.
I've tried to just

korbin_2_04-26-2025 (02:12):
absolutely.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (02:13):
be

korbin_2_04-26-2025 (02:13):
Absolutely.
Same.
And like.
At this point in my life, Idon't really aim to be a part of
any sort of specific group orthing.
So I've got my own family, I'vegot my own way of breeding
cattle.
I've got my own way of runningthem, and I don't really strive
for anyone else's approval.

(02:34):
And I think that that's freed meup into making some, some
decisions that have really beenbeneficial for, for the way the,
the way that this podcast isgoing, the way our business is
going and the way everythinggoes.
I think if you kind of do thingson your own and you kind of have
your own way of thinking that itcan lead to some really
promising things, um, ratherthan just doing everyone else

(02:55):
does because they're doing it.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (02:57):
I had a, excuse me.
I had a good friend of minetalking about all the negativity
in this world.
He, he and his wife had gone toHome Depot and he's like, Karen,
I'm just gonna tell you rightnow if I go in here and, and
somebody starts talking to meand they're negative, I'm just
gonna walk away.

(03:18):
So he said, he bumped into thisguy he said, he just started
just going off about this andthat and just was, everything
was negative coming outta hismouth.
And I just stood there for liketwo minutes listening to him and
he was in mid-sentence, and Ijust turned and walked away.
You just gotta know this guy.
He's

korbin_2_04-26-2025_1940 (03:38):
That's hilarious.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (03:39):
a awesome dude.
He's just a awesome dude.
And that's just where he is

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (03:42):
Is he a podcast listener?

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (03:44):
it.
Uh,

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (03:46):
Oh man.
Maybe he needs to be.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (03:48):
So I've noticed though, tying this back
to the cattle thing.
I'd rather just test the kind ofperson people are and how they
feel about their family, howthey feel about their friends.
And I'd rather hang out withpeople like that than people
that have a similar biologicaltype to cattle and don't unite
with me on those deeper levelthings.

korbin_2_04-26-2025 (04:07):
Absolutely.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (04:09):
I'd rather just find, because I
think, I think when your deeperlevel stuff is connected, then
that's your high

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19403 (04:15):
Yeah.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (04:16):
and it's not the cattle and it's not
that stuff that comes along withit.
And, and I think generally whatyou end up finding is there are
a lot of similarities in yourprogram and a lot of cross
contamination on genes becauseyou've found that there's kind
of, I'm reluctant to use theword truth'cause I know somebody
will be all polarized by that,you know, but just, I, I think

(04:37):
that.
who live their life by a certainway, do things a certain way.
And that doesn't matter ifyou're from Tennessee, Oklahoma,
California, Texas, Arkansas,really doesn't matter.
You're, you're really quitesimilar.
actually, I mean, that's whywe're all in this business
anyways, right?
It is like, because generalsorting cattle is the same in

(04:58):
California as it is in Mongolia,as it is.
There might be certain customs,but cattle bounce off.
They don't, they don't know yourlanguage or, or

vince_2_04-26-2025_19401 (05:06):
Right,

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (05:08):
nature, the ebbs and flows of seasons.
They may not match up perfectly,or you may have different
challenges, but, that's thestuff that unites us.
But boy, you talk aboutcannibalistic.
This industry and this breedspecifically can be pretty
doggone cannibalistic.
And I would even say, um, I'll,I'll admit guilt and say that
early in my Angus journey andmaybe even early in my podcast

(05:30):
broadcasting, um, maybe I was alittle immature in, in how I
thought about other people'sgenes.
Now I'm like, you know what?
If you want to do that and thatmakes you happy, and that is, is
what your customers want.
That's great.
That's lovely.

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (05:43):
I think it's, I think it's, we've
all kind of, and I've noticed itwith each one of us, that we've
all kind of grown in differentin that way in that.
I feel so much more accepting ofother people at this point than
I did three or four years agonow.
You know, used to be, we used toget on Facebook and on like
those AI discussion Cyrus pagesand just like, think, what are

(06:05):
these people talking about?
And I think now it's like, Idon't really care what they're
talking about, but I respecttheir opinion and, and that's a
great, that's great that theyhave one and I'm proud for'em,
but you know what I mean?
It's

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (06:18):
it's, I'm fine with however they want
to do, as long as they're notsaying, well, you are doing it
wrong and you should be doingthis, basically what I used to
do to others.
But, um, look, it's all, it'sall fair game.
I mean, if you want to take thispath because you think it's

(06:38):
easier to market, go for it.

korbin_2_04-26-2025 (06:40):
absolutely.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (06:41):
If you want to take this pass
because those are the kind ofcows that you like,

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (06:46):
Yep.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (06:47):
it.
Do

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19403 (06:47):
Yeah.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (06:48):
You should do it.
You shouldn't do something youdon't want to do just because
somebody else has talked youinto it or somebody else is
doing it that way.
Do it because you want to do it.

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19 (07:00):
Speaking of just doing it because someone
else did it that way.
What about the Shadu Sandersdeal?
Joe, have you been followingthat?

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (07:09):
I have, but I've got two dogs that sound
like, I don't know if we'retrying to get broke into by the
cartel or what, but I mean, itsounds like a war zone in my
living room right now.
I don't know

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (07:19):
Amy can tune that

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (07:20):
I can't even hear it.
I.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (07:23):
I can't either.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (07:24):
so the Shado Sanders stuff, that's
super interesting to me.
I mean it's, it's an interestingsocial experiment of how you
better be in tune with who'sdoing your third party
verification of the quality ofyour assets.
I mean, listen to your customer,because those folks were very
assertive and on the talenttolerance level, it looks like

(07:46):
his.
Tolerance was lower than theirexpectations.
And I'm sure there's otherreasons too.
Maybe his evaluation wasn't thatgood.
I don't know.
I'm just guessing that a wholebunch of NFL owners just
thought, we're gonna hire anemployee.
We're gonna invest.
Especially that first round,Corbin Juicy is like 45 million

(08:06):
for some of those

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19403 (08:07):
Yeah.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (08:08):
and

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19403 (08:08):
Yeah.
We're spending a boatload ofmoney on you.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (08:11):
gonna spend 45 million on a person
that really doesn't care to havean interview with you or does
care or whatever.
I mean, I would be on my bestbehavior,

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19403 (08:21):
Yeah.
It's the most critical time.
And what's crazy is that thatwhole camp, which I kind of feel
like it's been Dion, I feel likethey've all just kind of been in
it together.
And they, they, they doeverything together.
They campaign together.
Um, they try to get'em draftedtogether.
They did every single thingright from Jackson State to
Colorado to getting'em to thedraft process, to having'em be

(08:43):
one of the top ranked.
Recruits in the country.
I mean, it wasn't very long agowe thought, oh, this guy's going
number one or number two forsure.
And then they got the, they gotit to the barn and then the door
was closed.
It, it's, it's crazy to me.
It's crazy how they got, theydid, it seemed like they did
everything right until theydidn't.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (09:03):
Well, and how many times have you had
people say about the Angusbusiness?
This business will humble you.
This business will

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (09:08):
The NFL will humble your butt.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (09:11):
Life

korbin_2_04-26-2025 (09:11):
Absolutely.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (09:12):
You know?
And those guys got it earlierand maybe there was something
else.
I don't know.
I'm not an expert or anything.
I just, I thought it was a cool,fun story.
Um, I was enthralled by it.
I was watching every game.
And I'll just say, as a viewer,something happened, I don't
know, mid-season, this season,beginning of this season where a

(09:33):
light switch switch for me inthe act was a little

korbin_2_04-26-2025 (09:36):
Absolutely.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (09:37):
Um, and I still love Travis Hunter
though.
How about him?

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19403 (09:41):
Yeah,

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (09:42):
like a good, seems like a good dude.
Seems like he's, I, I don'tknow, but it sounds like he's
involved in charities.
Always got a smile on his face.
Always seems to have a goodattitude.
There was some sideline stuff,just looked like outta passion
maybe, but generally just ahard, hardworking, super
talented, humble

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19403 (09:58):
yeah,

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (09:59):
never met him.

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19403 (10:00):
yeah.
Do you know, um,

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (10:01):
I never

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19403 (10:02):
never met him.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (10:03):
got cows?

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (10:03):
on the round the shoot, I

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (10:04):
Has he got cows?

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (10:05):
Do you know who that is?
Vince.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (10:08):
No,

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19403 (10:09):
Vince

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (10:09):
I don't have a clue.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (10:10):
do you remember how much hate mail we
got talking college football?
Maybe we should talk Rick, RickRoss in the cattle business
instead.
Whatever happened to that?

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (10:16):
Ricky Rose.

joe_2_04-26-2025_17400 (10:17):
remember

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19403 (10:17):
what?
Uh, he did a video one time andhe, he like wrapped a word and
he spelled it wrong.
What was that?
I don't remember what it was.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (10:26):
I don't think you can misspell
anything when

korbin_2_04-26-2025_1940 (10:28):
Ralph.
Um, yeah, I bet Rick, I bet Ricklistens.
I be, he listens.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (10:35):
bet he's a listener.
Yeah, I

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (10:37):
What town is he from?
I'll look it up.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (10:38):
I know Xavier Legette listens.
Is it

vince_2_04-26-2025_194 (10:41):
Atlanta?

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (10:42):
boy.
Yeah.
He rides his, what's his,

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (10:45):
don't

korbin_2_04-26-2025_1940 (10:46):
what's his horse's name?

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (10:47):
I don't know who that

korbin_2_04-26-2025_1940 (10:48):
Dollar be.
Dollar be

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (10:50):
What are you

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (10:51):
He's named Dollar Be,

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (10:52):
That guy is, he is incredible.
That guy's country.

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19403 (10:55):
yeah, yeah,

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (10:57):
Yeah.
He's

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19403 (10:58):
yeah.
He's funny.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (10:59):
a cool dude.
So what are we talking abouttoday, Vince?

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (11:02):
I don't know what we're ta I don't
know any of these people thatwe're talking about.
Xavier Hunter?

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (11:07):
we've bantered for 12, 13 minutes, but
it says on Corbin stickerprobably

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19403 (11:11):
Yeah.
I'm ahead of you.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (11:12):
we don't even know if this
episode's any good.

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (11:14):
Do you,

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (11:14):
It might be layered on, do you want
to do

korbin_2_04-26-2025_1940 (11:16):
Vince, do you know, um,

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (11:18):
not

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19403 (11:18):
let's start naming some names that
Vince might know.
Caitlyn Clark.
Angel Reese.
He knows all the women athletesfor some reason.
He knows all their names, but hedoesn't,

vince_2_04-26-2025_19401 (11:28):
that's what Amy watches at the house.
So I sit there and I watch itwith her as a good

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19403 (11:32):
yeah.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (11:33):
WWNB a's not on right now.
Is it?

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (11:35):
Now it's fix and

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (11:36):
Ooh, it's fixing the start.
What about old Hailey Van Lith?
Lith getting drafted to AngelReese's team?

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (11:44):
I don't know who that is.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (11:46):
I couldn't

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (11:47):
I didn't watch the draft.

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (11:48):
went to TCU.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (11:50):
Oh

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19403 (11:50):
Yeah,

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (11:52):
So what are you guys doing around
the, around the

korbin_2_04-26-2025_1940 (11:54):
around the shoot.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (11:55):
I was just gonna tell you,

vince_2_04-26-2025_19401 (11:56):
around the chute?

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (11:57):
uh, right now I've got a jacket on
as Corbin Astutely observed, andI'm enjoying some rain, some
late season rain.
it is nice.
It is nice

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (12:07):
We enjoyed four inches and 30
minutes yesterday.

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (12:12):
has been.
It's that time of year though,isn't it?
It's where

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (12:15):
It was

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (12:16):
it can just come in bunches right
now, and it's really wet hereright now.
And it's one of those dealswhere you're like, oh, I know in
June, June 10th, we'll be like,oh, I wish it would rain, but
it's wet for now and the grassis growing.
Cattle are fat.
I guarantee you, you don't wannastand behind one right now here.

(12:37):
You do not wanna stand withinlike a hundred feet because they
could get you

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (12:42):
Did y'all see my snap where it was?
That bottom was flooded acrossmy house, but where it was
exiting under the bridge, it waslike, God, it was so violent.

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19 (12:52):
violent.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (12:53):
Isn't

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (12:54):
you not see that?

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19403 (12:55):
Yeah,

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (12:55):
fix before your sale?

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (12:56):
Uh, every time it would get a flood.
Yeah.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (12:59):
That's the

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (12:59):
Every time.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (13:00):
to fix to,

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (13:01):
No.
To, didn't fix that.
No.
They were, they were fixing theshow runs where we had display
cattle.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (13:08):
that's right.
Display cattle.

vince_2_04-26-2025_1940 (13:10):
Display cattle.
Anyway, so have you guys weanedyet?

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (13:15):
no,

vince_2_04-26-2025_194 (13:16):
Anybody?
Anyone?
Anyone?
What?
Are you

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (13:18):
J Joe has.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (13:19):
old?

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (13:21):
I have.
Yes, I have.
And

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (13:24):
How do you wean them?

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (13:25):
How do I wean'em?
Um, whew.
That depends.
Depends on where they're at.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (13:32):
Does it matter if it's at a different
ranch for you?
Where you wean'em?
How you wean'em?

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (13:37):
does.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (13:37):
Okay.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (13:38):
does.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (13:38):
So do you wean'em different?
Different ways?

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (13:41):
I'll tell you what we just did.
Um, we've got a gathering fieldat that one ranch.
It's, I don't know, a hundred,150, maybe 200 acres.
And we spent three daysgathering into that field and
then made sure that we hadeverybody.
And then we gathered early inthe morning and started hauling
calves

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (14:01):
Hold them away.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (14:02):
it'd take about, it would take about
an hour and a half.
One way.
So three hours round trip to get

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (14:10):
Whew.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (14:10):
load.
And so let me ask you, what doyou think of those weighing
conditions?

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (14:16):
Oh, I bet they wouldn't be.
Very favorable.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (14:21):
I don't think they're very favorable,
and I don't think they're veryaccurate

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (14:24):
I wouldn't weigh'em right then.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (14:25):
No.
So our main goal when we do thatis get cattle comfortable.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (14:30):
Yeah.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (14:31):
I, I don't love them being in a
small, tight area, but we darnsure make sure that they can't
get out.
Like steel corral, no wire.
I mean, it is, it is like a cage

vince_2_04-26-2025_19401 (14:42):
Right.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (14:43):
you know how they'll get in that
trance and they just ball andit's like they'll just walk
through

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (14:47):
Yeah.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (14:47):
wire, everything, and they'll get back
to mom.
um, so we'll lock up cattle likethat.
As long as I feel like theycan't hear their mother, if
they're far enough away thatthey can't hear their mother,
that'll work if we haul'em out.
Um, and so that's where, thatwas the situation we had here.
I think we left them in thattight area.

(15:07):
Then we can open up our Carelland make it a little bigger
after a day and a half.
Just give'em some room tobreathe.
But, uh, we keep it pretty tightso they don't just walk and walk
and

korbin_2_04-26-2025_1940 (15:16):
Right.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (15:17):
and walk.
Make sure that all the, we havethese hay racks and I don't like
the hay racks that are abovetheir eyes because they're like,
lift their head and then theypull hay out and they'll get bad
eyes or whatever from the, the,the hay.
And so we make sure it's bunksthat they reach their head down
in.
We put a whole big bale in thereof alfalfa, whole ba big bale of
o hay and all the feed theycould more than what they need

(15:41):
so that we don't have to try todrive a, drive a tractor inside
those cattle that are bawlingand wanting out of that area.
And

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (15:47):
You don't

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (15:48):
Like a

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (15:49):
go.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (15:49):
a half.
Hang on one second.
Um,'cause I'll forget it again.
We open that area in aboutdouble the size and then they
can get more room and we don'tworry about'em.
Just pacing and pacing andpacing.

vince_2_04-26-2025_19401 (15:58):
Right.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (15:59):
were you gonna say?

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (15:59):
I was just gonna ask about the
alfalfa.
You don't, uh, have any issueswith'em?
Just gorging on it.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (16:05):
Our alfalfa is never that good.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (16:07):
Oh, okay.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (16:08):
I, I never buy high, high, high
quality alfalfa because thedairy markets out here would lap
up all that and it's so doggoneexpensive.
And then also, we don't haveequipment, so we can't blend
that stuff or

vince_2_04-26-2025_19401 (16:21):
Right.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (16:21):
that.
We've gotta be able to just feedit.
Um, it's funny, I was justhelping a, a dear friend of mine
this afternoon who is havingsome health stuff going on and
stuff, so went down to theirplace and, and, uh, they had a
calf bloat and die.
Well, they are notorious,notorious for buying the finest
quality alfalfa they could buy.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (16:41):
no wonder it bloated and died.

joe_2_04-26-2025_17400 (16:43):
exactly.
And I'd rather keep those cattlekind of tight.
I think a lot of times they needgut fill, they

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (16:49):
Yep.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (16:50):
and they need that gut to be
working.
And I actually think itincreases their appetite because
they have to have so much gutfill.
It like expands their rumen.
And then when you start actuallyadding energy to that diet,
those cattle gain incrediblywell.
Now you, our cattle are, they'refull right now, but you aren't

(17:10):
gonna want a lot of people tosee'em.
I mean, it's hard for, it takesthe stockman to see potential in
those cattle that don't have fatpos up on their hips anymore.
I mean, open up social mediaguys and tell me a calf that you
ever see that doesn't have bigold fat pos or blown out brisket
or old sappy bellies they callit or whatever.
mean, those calves have neverseen very many bad days.

(17:32):
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vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (19:05):
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joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (19:05):
you noticed that chat GBT likes,
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korbin_2_04-26-202 (19:09):
existential.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (19:10):
you can say, well,

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19403 (19:12):
It's,

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (19:12):
neither of which you

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (19:13):
it's really hard to say exist.
That one existential.
There's too much.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (19:19):
as many times as you said it by
now, you should have it

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (19:23):
If I'm not doing a, if I'm not
trying to beedy like soundsmart, I can say existential
pretty easily, but if I'm tryingto sound over the top, it's hard
for me to say existential when,oh, I just did it.
Okay.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (19:36):
hard is it to read those things and add

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (19:38):
I couldn't do it.
There's no way.

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (19:40):
Um, I'm pretty good at talking.
I, I gotta have a conversationwith that wall over there, Joe.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (19:48):
Yeah, that's true.
so, um, I don't, I, I wantsomebody else to move on'cause
I've been pretty dominant tothis weaning thing so far and
I'd like to hear what you guys

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (19:58):
Well,

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (19:59):
say our young calves, we do differently.
The young

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (20:02):
how do you do that?

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (20:03):
but No, go ahead.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (20:04):
No.
Do you fenceline those or what?

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (20:07):
do fence line those and uh, but
I'll get into that process later'cause I have a very specific
fence line process.
But tell me how you wean up thatlast set.
You, we.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (20:18):
So we have used the wiener rings and
we generally will

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (20:23):
Wier rings.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (20:24):
at least I didn't say dooo like
Joe.
Um, I have used those Corbin.
Um,

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (20:34):
we just lost our family rating.
Gone.
Uh.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (20:38):
so when it's spring calves and
you're trying to wean'em inAugust.
Um, if we feel the need to goahead and wean them, we'll use
those sometimes.
Uh, I haven't used them in awhile because so many of'em fall
out.

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (20:54):
they fall out.
You know, I, I went on a,

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (20:57):
used to work here.

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (20:58):
I went on a ranch tour one time
and, and they put'em in the cowsand it didn't even, because
they're, they had a problem withthe cows sucking other cows and
they just, we dreaded aroundthere.
It didn't even stop'em at all.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (21:09):
Well, there's are, there are some
calves that

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19403 (21:11):
Yeah.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (21:11):
out.
hunter that used to work herenoticed one time so we had three
fields and one field lost waymore of the rings than the
others.
he got to notice, and they wereall around the creep feeder, and
he said the, the other fieldshad like, um.

(21:33):
Panels, cattle panels making acreep pen with no sides on the
creep feeder.
But the ones that had the sides,uh, the best we could figure out
was like they would, you knowhow they get wedged in there and
packed in there and they try toturn, they'll just'em right
outta their nose.
So it is better if you are creekfeeding to have a big pen so

(21:56):
they're not as, uh, tight inthere and they don't rip'em out
as easy.
But anyway, um, the ones we justweaned, we did like you Joe, we
gathered'em all up, sorted them,hauled'em to another farm.
I can't get'em far enough awaythat they cannot hear their
mother, but the barn we use forweaning fans in it.

(22:18):
So I turned the fans on to makea lot of noise

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (22:20):
So they can't hear him.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (22:21):
and I That's right.
was listening to a, guy talk onetime about that and he was
talking about putting a radio onor.
Something really loud, fans,anything where it kind of gives
them a consistent noise, itsoothes'em.
Plus they can't hear theirmothers, so we leave them locked

(22:41):
in this barn.
Uh, it's a pretty big barn, um,for a week, and then we'll turn
'em out to a pasture.
Um, we're fortunate enough to,the way this barn's set up, they
have a trough where we can be onone side and they can be on the
other.
So we just square hay'em.
And I actually, since we creepfeed and I do not like pulling

(23:03):
them from their mother andcutting'em off feed all at once
or changing their feed, willfeel the bunk, one bunk with
feed and the other two or threebunks with hay or ha maybe two
bunks of feed, two bunks withhay.
And then they have it if theywant it, and it's not changing
anything.
Um, and then once everythingkind of gets back to normal, we

(23:26):
will switch feeds and our, our,uh.
Developer feed is similar to thecreep, so we just stage it down
full feed to, you know, uh, likethe heifers will be on.
We're gonna get them down to sixpounds a day and the bulls be on
like eight.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (23:45):
And that'd

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (23:46):
I,

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (23:46):
like super high protein.
high fiber, right?

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (23:49):
um, it's a really, I'd have to look,
but it's just a really slow growration.
I didn't want anything hot, Ididn't want anything to push'em
fast.
I just want'em to have nutrientsand grass.
And I, whole goal was, we usedto do way more and we used to do
a different feed and it waspretty hot and I just didn't

(24:11):
like it.
Like, so I, I worked with anutritionist and we developed
kind of a slower grow rationthat just kind of gives'em what
they need to keep growing.
It doesn't push'em hard, doesn'tpush'em fast, just kind of lets
'em do their own thing.
And then of course, so I try toget'em out to plenty of grass
and let'em do it on that too.
So.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (24:31):
So back in the day, we used to creep
feed and I had a nutritionistmake us a pellet, um, and shout
out our toys, feed, and, uh,west Cha we made one.
It was like.
We just want cattle to be ableto eat.
If there's nothing to eat,that's it.
We don't want any PS on thecalves, none of that.

(24:52):
Because when this grass startsreally getting after it out
here, that's all the nutrition.
Actually, we got to one bunch ofcows, Wyatt and I did yesterday.
those cows up and just trying tomove them.
They were so full and it waslike their front ends hurt, like
the, like maybe there was theirfeet hurt because the feed is so
hot.
Just, just grass.

(25:13):
So anyways, we took that, thatration.
And, uh, we hand feed thosebulls for about 30 days before
they go to the grow yard towhere they'll be developed the
rest of the time.
And this is going from a 1200acre pasture grass and mother to
hay racks.
And then we start gradually handfeeding them that pellet.
And what I like about that is ita person, it, it's not a very

(25:36):
glamorous job, but a person isdumping that feed in the bunk
and those cattle really gentledown, they quiet down, they
start, you know, because you put90 bulls in a pen, and those
things can be pretty flighty.

vince_2_04-26-2025_19401 (25:50):
Right.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (25:50):
uh, that, that pen that they get fed
in now is actually all hot wire.
But then we take surveyorflagging and we flag all of it
so that it has a real visualbarrier for them too.
And, and generally some of themwill be curious and lick that or
sniff it or whatever.
Um, but it trains'em to the hotwire as well.
And then, you know, by then theball's out of them and

(26:11):
everything.
But, um, I, you mentioned creepfeed.
The years we were creep feeding,I think our weaning always went
the smoothest because they had avery consistent nutritional
pattern, you know, like a planeor whatever.
You just wield the creep feederto wherever they were going.
And generally you just had to,you had separation anxiety or
whatever it is from the mother,but nutritionally not much

(26:34):
changed.
I mean, at that point in theirlife, they probably weren't
getting anything outta milkanyways.
Um, what do, what do you doCorbin?

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19403 (26:40):
Well, I do, I did like something you
said there, um, about CREfeeding a knot.
I, I get you're Notre feeding.
Now, one thing I like to dobefore I wean, um, and this is
no matter whether I'm weaning inthe fall or in the spring,
because we're gonna wean somelate spring here, you know, into
May I.
Once it quits raining so much,and it's not just mud everywhere

(27:00):
'cause it needs to be dry andnot too hot so that we ca
sometimes we'll get a window atthe end of May.
We just have to watch theweather and kind of play it by
ear As far as the weather goes,um, I always try to make sure
that my calves know what feedis, um, if I,

vince_2_04-26-2025_1940 (27:18):
Instead of waiting till after you wean
'em and then

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (27:21):
I want them to know what feed is.
And so a lot of times, so I'llhave little creek feeders that
I'll go put, you know, 200pounds in so that they can, you
know, so that they can get inthere and know what that, know
how to eat out of a trough andtheir mother's not beating'em to
death to get'em to not eat.
And then I'll also feed them,uh, go and feed their mothers
and them on the ground.
Some actually just to get'em towhere they're coming to feed.

(27:43):
They know what that feeder isand so that they, I.
They recognize it and can go toeat.
The one thing that I think ismost important is keeping hay in
front of them while I'm weaningthem.
Try to keep their bellies full,trying to have'em something to
eat at all times.
We too, go from a small pinthat's about 30 by, oh, I don't
even know, 40 by 40 maybe, whichwe will cram, you know, 70 or 80

(28:07):
calves in there, which seemslike a lot.
But my goal is to limitmovement.
I don't want them moving, Idon't want'em pacing.
Um, and so that's why we kind ofwait till it's dry too, because
if it's muddy, obviously it'sjust a mess.
It's terrible.
So, um, yeah, we try to put'emin a small pit and then we'll
put'em in a big, I'll actuallyonly keep mine up for four days
and then they're out on pasture,gone.
Um, I'll fence line wean, I'lllet those cows ball out.

(28:30):
It usually takes about 48 hoursand then just as quick as I can,
those cows are gone.
I'm moving those cows on.
Um, we'll drive them out ofthere.
Um, and, and usually we'll trynot to make it to where they're
going to be in a pasture that'sadjacent to where the calves
will.
We'll go out on pastures, youknow, so I don't want'em to be
even at 3D, three or four days.
I don't want'em to be that closebecause um, they tend to want to

(28:53):
get together.
Even what sometimes even twoweeks later, you can have a calf
get back in with its mother andit'll go right back to second.
It is amazing.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (29:03):
Uh, so generally Corbin, my dad used to
always say, those are your latebreads or your opens.

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19403 (29:08):
Yeah.
Yeah.
The ones that still wanna dothat.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (29:11):
The ones that are, the ones that are
bred right up, they kind ofwanna wean their calf too.
And we're talking about agedifferences.
My calves are bumping up rightagainst the, they're bumping up
right against the age limit.
They're close.
They aren't there yet.
I think I have until first weekin May before they're actually
over the 2 0 5 adjustment andthey're two old.
Um, but those younger calves,we've gotta be sure they're in a

(29:32):
week at our place.
The older calves, you just getthe ball out of them and they've
been fine.
Um, I, I didn't say one thingyou said about bunk breaking the
cattle and when we went fromnaive cattle out on pasture,
this is just the other day.
Um, and then we're training themto use the bunk.
We have all the free choice hayI just talked about.

(29:53):
we move to that hot wire pen,it's, it's a couple acres that
they can go into and then we'refeeding them in a bunk in the
center of the, the field.
We'll flake hay in those bunksand then we put.
The little bit of feed on top ofit.
And by the time they leave, Ithink they're getting probably
six, seven pounds of that.
'cause that's a lot of feed byhand to feed

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (30:13):
is.

vince_2_04-26-2025_1940 (30:14):
Mm-hmm.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (30:15):
it's changed the chemistry of their,
of their gut biome or whatever.
It's prepped the bugs to be ableto accept feed at that point.
But I, I got on a tangent andthen I got off of it.
I really like how those cattlefrom big country like that, if
they saw a kid move or a dog oranything, they scatter like
quail and they get really,really trotty and it just builds

(30:37):
and builds.
It seems like you get a numberover 50, it gets kind of

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194 (30:40):
Mm-hmm.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (30:42):
And so by hand feeding them like that,
it kind of takes them out of

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (30:46):
Hmm.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (30:46):
And

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (30:46):
Yeah.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (30:47):
of them wanting to scatter away, they
want to draw to you.
And um, I have the kids do thatafter Wyatt and I've worked with
them for a couple days because Ilove that the kids aren't as
careful.
They fumble around, they jumpoff the four wheeler, they do
make noise, they do dumb thingsand, and, and erratic things.
And it just helps prepare thosecattle to be a little bit more

(31:07):
comfortable around

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19403 (31:08):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Myla she'll, I won't let her goin the pen with him, but I
encourage her to get the dog,which I know you guys probably
saw in my Snapchat this morning.
She was out there in herunderwear first thing this
morning with the dog and asorting stick, and she was just
running through the mud.
I don't know where she wasgoing.
Lucy's Lucy calls me and goes,Hey, hey, where's my la?

(31:28):
And I'm like, uh, I don't know.
Let me look.
Oh, there, she's out in thepasture.
I dunno what she's doing overthere, but I see her.
She's not hurting anything.
So, yeah.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (31:37):
So Vince, do you, do you fence line
wean them?

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (31:42):
We have, but we don't have a good
spot for that honestly.
Um, I, I just, I never couldimplement that really good to
keep the calves in a small area.
The best thing we can do iswe've got a, uh, some sorting
pens, uh, below the back barn,and then the pasture is right

(32:05):
across the farm road.
So.
If cow pasture would, therewould be two fences and a 35
foot wide road.
Um, that's the best thing we cando.
But it, it wouldn't be all ofthem.
It would just be that group.
So, don't know.
I, I don't know that I've got agood spot for that, that makes

(32:27):
sense.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (32:28):
Corman, do you have a fence line

korbin_2_04-26-2025_1940 (32:30):
That's the only way I do it, but that's
because that's the only way Ican, I mean, I.
Even with, I have cattle thatare two and a half miles apart.
That's as far, I mean, we're alljoined up.
Like we don't have, it's allcontinuous.
We don't have any pastures thatare off that we have roads to go
across or anything like that.
So if I, I have tried it before.
I tried to bring some calveshome from my dad's house, which

(32:52):
is two miles down the road, andI left their mothers there and
those cows actually were comingup my driveway that they, they
could hear from that far andthey ended up coming back,
coming through three or fourdifferent fence lines.
It's, so, yeah, we only fenceline wean and it does, I've got,
I've got a little catch pasturethat's about 10 acres, so that's

(33:16):
where I'll leave the cows whilethey're, while we're weaning
them.
And then from that catchpasture, there's four different
pastures that they can go into.
So I'll go open whatever gate Iwant them to go into and it's
pretty simple.
We've got everything that kindof works that way where I.
If we're working cows orsomething, we've got a, we've
got a pasture that, that we canstage them in overnight.

(33:36):
So like, I know this is kind ofoff, off the, this isn't really
off, this is kind of off topic,but if we're putting embryos in
or, uh, we have to work a set ofcows, I've got a 10 acre pasture
that's right here that I canpush those cattle into where
they can stay.
I'll usually push them in thenight before I'm gonna work'em

(33:56):
so that they're right there.
Um, that's one thing about mebringing'em a long way that I
don't like doing.
'cause I have, I driveeverything.
I don't use a feed truck.
Um, we use four wheelers anddogs, and that's how we pin our
cattle.
Um, I don't really like bringingthem more than, you know, a mile
or so, and then trying to pinthem.

(34:18):
Um, I know that a lot of, I,I've done it a bunch of times,
but it's just me.
So it's better, it's easier forme to pin those cattle by myself
if they're paired up.
If that cow is paired up withher calf.
But if I try to move them a mileand then try to pin them, they
keep, they wanna start lookingfor their calf and they know

(34:39):
what's coming.
And so it's easier for me topush them into this catch
pasture the night before thenext day.
We'll put'em, you know, it makesit easier on me if I'm by
myself.
Um, so yeah, that's,

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (34:52):
We do that too we're, uh, transferring
embryos or preg checking, uh,anytime we know we have a big
day, we try to go gather thefurthest groups from the barn
and get'em up closer to thebarn, we can also gather those
pastures in

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (35:10):
it's also, yeah, it's peace of mind
too, knowing they're all rightthere too.
So like,

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (35:14):
And, and instead of somebody waiting
on you, oh, I got the vet uphere waiting on me to transfer
eggs, and these cows are notbeing cooperative.

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19403 (35:22):
yeah.
Yeah.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (35:24):
we try to do

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (35:24):
Try to do it the day before.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (35:26):
Well, and have you noticed, I mean, I
always tell anybody this who'shelping me, especially this
bigger country, you're trainingthe cattle.
You know, I, I, I had a friendtell me when we were putting out
salt yesterday, he actually saidhe goes.
He goes, you're the first onethat ever told me we're
training.
You're training cattle.
So I've tried to train cattle.
I said, no, no, I'm not thefirst one that's training
cattle.
Everyone is training cattlebased upon how you treat'em.

(35:48):
It's just a matter of if you'redoing it good or not for you in
the future.
But basic training them alsomeans just, kind of a high level
bluff, right?
Because if you have 500 acresand you've gotta get'em through
a 75 foot gate or a 16 foot gateor whatever, it's just a bluff
that you get'em there.

(36:08):
'cause if they don't want

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (36:09):
Uh, if they don't want to go, they
don't have to.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (36:12):
I couldn't imagine trying to get
him through a 16 foot gate offof that big of

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (36:17):
Oh, yeah.
It better come to a cornerbecause I've, I've driven'em up
into some corrals where it wasjust a big corral up on top of a
hill and it's a pain in the ass.
I'm telling you right now, I.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174 (36:27):
especially if they

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (36:28):
If they don't want to, if they know
what's coming.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (36:32):
So if you could figure out how to get
those cattle close, it just,it's the peace of mind thing

korbin_2_04-26-2025 (36:36):
Absolutely.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (36:37):
it is relaxing to the whole crew.
It's relaxing to the cattle.
It's everything.
But I have a little way, uh, Iknow that there's several people
that fence line wean actuallytruly.
Fence line, fence line, nocarells involved.
Um, I just don't have big enoughhot wire pens or, or good enough
fences to do that consistently.
When we get late in the seasonthough, I mentioned those later

(36:57):
calves, those later heifercalves, and then some steer
calves we have, it's too dustyand we don't have water.
We don't have dust control inour corrals, and I don't want
those calves in the corrals.
So I actually, I have about a 12acre irrigated field that's
right next to our corral.
I'll put all those cattle theday before.
The pears into that irrigatedfield, and I don't know why, but

(37:18):
dad has always told me that calfwill go back to where he last
sucked.

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (37:21):
They do.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (37:22):
will go back to where

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (37:23):
Yep.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (37:24):
So I put those in the day before,
make sure they've sucked a fulltime.
And then first thing in themorning we'll gather those and
we'll kick the calves back outon pasture and we'll lock up the
cows.

vince_2_04-26-2025_1940 (37:34):
Really.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (37:35):
that way the cows are breathing the
dust and not those calves thatcould

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (37:38):
And the cows.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (37:40):
so

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (37:40):
The cows don't pace as bad either,

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (37:43):
the cows don't taste as bad as
either, and you can feed'em somejunky,

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (37:47):
and they'll eat it.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (37:48):
just gets their stomach full and make
sure they get water and they'refine.
And then we let'em out andthey're, they're squirting milk
on the ground and stuff, but theway they go out, that particular
field does have hot wire.
And every once in a while we'llhave one kind of jump back in or
whatever.
Again, usually she's an open ora shortbread or something like
that, and she's not gonna lastlong anyways, but we put'em back

(38:09):
and then we just kind of.
Rotate those cattle away fromthe corral that way on their
own.
Um, I love weaning cattle thatway.
We just can't feasibly do itwith 150 calves when the cows
are way down south.
And it just, it, it doesn't workwith the timing and we don't
have the facilities down there.
Um, so what

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (38:31):
See.

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19403 (38:31):
Yeah.
Vaccination protocol.
That's what I was gonna, Iwanted to make sure we talked
about that.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (38:35):
what are you doing?

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (38:36):
Um, so it's actually, it te it is
called V 45, which it's underthe vac 40.
It's superior uses it.
Um, we give them a shot ofbronchial, uh, respiratory shot
two weeks before we wean'em.
And then on the day we weanthem.
And sometimes it's not exactlytwo weeks and sometimes I have

(38:56):
to wait till I wean'em to give'em their first round of shot.
But the main thing is, is I give'em that, try to give'em that
shot two weeks before I wean'em.
That prepares them for like, ifwe've got dust or something
that, you know, they're gonnadusty corral.
They're kind of, that gives'em alittle added, added layer of
protection.
Um, one thing I want people toreally realize is that.
Just, if you're weaning yourcalves and you're weaning steers

(39:19):
and you're shipping those steersin 30 days or whatever, a lot of
times they might not get sickfor you.
But if you're not vaccinatingthem and have them on a good
protocol, they'll get sick ondown the line.
And so we want to prevent that.
It's, it's, maybe it's an addedstep and it's a little extra
work, but at the end of the day,you're gonna have a better
reputation if you ha send yourcattle prepared.

(39:40):
And that people, those buyersthat buy your steers, they're
gonna have notes on all that.
And so, uh, they'll be morelikely to come back and buy'em
next year if you, if you, I, Ithink you need to give'em two
rounds of shots before you ship'em or before you do anything.
But that's just me.
I, I like to give'em tworespiratory rounds of
respiratory.
I'll give'em a black leg, whichit, it's a nine way basically,

(40:02):
which that protect, that's justprotect, protects them from
certain diseases.
Uh, what does it have?
Uh, black leg.
There's tetanus in it, certaincertain thing, and then I'll
worm'em and that's the the threeshots I give.
But what do y'all give?
What do you give Vince?

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (40:19):
Oh man.
Um, this year we've actuallyadded a shot.
it's, uh, we're just trying itto see how much it helps.
It's for ticks and flies.
doesn't, uh, I'd have to look itup.
It doesn't the ticks and flies,but when, uh, those little bitty
flies bite'em, kills'em.

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19403 (40:41):
nice.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (40:42):
And it's the same thing with the
ticks.
Now again, this is the firsttime we've tried it, so I don't
know.
I also give them a clostridial,uh, and a pink eye as well.
The clostridial actually getsthe, um, God, I can't think of
it, but, oh man, I can't thinkof it.

(41:04):
It has a type A in it of acertain deal that is very, it's
not found in a lot of, um, a lotof vaccines.
Um, what do you call it?
Autonomous.
It's

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194 (41:17):
Mm-hmm.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194 (41:17):
vaccine.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (41:19):
yeah.
Yeah, I think that's right.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (41:21):
Um, but anyway, and then we give
them, we give them the leptoVibrio, not the lepto Vibrio.
We give them the, um.
We use live, we do it

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (41:31):
You do live?

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (41:32):
and then two weeks.
Yep.
We do two weeks after.
we do this, uh, seven or eightway depends on what's available,
uh, with the black leg andwhatnot.
So we're doing five shots.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (41:45):
you

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (41:46):
I don't love that, but no,

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (41:48):
in a BOA shield, one shot or you, you
don't Vista

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (41:52):
it, it could be

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (41:53):
I

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (41:53):
in

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19403 (41:54):
give, uh.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (41:54):
I'm doing that I don't

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19403 (41:55):
Virus Shield six is, it's a kil
though.
I quit doing, I used to do alive and modified live, mostly
modified live, but I've gone toall straight, all kil and I
haven't noticed a drop off.
So, um, it's just one less thingI have to worry about.
So, if, if the kill vaccine'sgonna do its job, I don't have,
I, I feel pretty comfortable.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (42:15):
I use kilt as well.
And for shipping fever I startedusing, um, there's this new,
well, it's not new now, but Iwent to a dinner.
Gosh, actually it was atTopgolf.
It was incredible from apharmaceutical rep.
And the big science explorationat that time was on this stuff
called New Pleura

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (42:33):
Oh, I've heard of it.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (42:33):
a killed shipping fever.
And um, we've had great luckwith it.
I really, really like it.
Now, if you're a commercial guyand or gal and you're selling
into that market, it sounds likethere's big time market
differentiation on kil versusmodified live.
And most of those guys, ifyou're going to feedlots in
Nebraska, Texas, Kansas,whatever, out from the west

(42:54):
coast, they wanna see two roundsof modified live in those
cattle.
If I wasn't an AI program, Iwould have modified live two.
But we've just seen that, youknow, taking on one side or
taking on the other.
We were starting to see ai, um,results not as favorable as we
wanted, and we switched to akilled vaccine and have had a
lot more luck with that.
I don't know if it's that or ifit's something else, but it

(43:16):
seemed to work.
So that's what we do.
Um.
But I think that, uh, ourcalves, when we, when we pull
their DNA, we're gonna pull DNAon all of them, make sure that
their tags are all correct onall of them.
We do not tattoo them becausethey all get freeze branded.
And we, DNA, all of them becausewe have multi CI pastures too.
So we don't even know who theCIS of some of these calves are

(43:37):
until they've bend DN

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (43:38):
I was gonna ask, how does that
work?
How does that work if you pullDNA on a calf, because generally
I have single sire pastures, andso I know, I know what the calf
is, but I've had some ear tagsfall out and so I know it's a, I
know he is a bull.
I want to keep a bull.
There's three of them that werein there, or, I don't know,
it's, I think it's even morethan that, but I don't know

(43:59):
which bulls witch.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (44:01):
I don't know that answer to be honest
with you.
I would call a GI because

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (44:05):
can,

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (44:05):
a GI on that stuff.
You have an answer, Vince?

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (44:08):
I know some guys that do it.
They send it in before theyregister

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19403 (44:12):
Okay.
That was my question.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (44:14):
They, they, they send it in before
they register'em.
They give the parent thepossibilities and then they'll
tell you which

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19403 (44:20):
Yeah, that was my question was, was do
I just go ahead and registerwhat I think or should I, and I,
I would, I would've guessed tojust send the samples what I
would've thought.
But

vince_2_04-26-2025_1940 (44:30):
There's a way to do it.
I just,

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (44:31):
ours are all BIR numbers.
I was just talking about if

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (44:34):
yeah.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (44:35):
tag or something, how you do it.
I don't know the answer to that.
I would call gala at theassociation and say, Hey, I have
this sample.
We put an ear tag in her earthat says A and an ear tag in
the other cow that says B.
And we need to know who is whoso that we

vince_2_04-26-2025_19401 (44:47):
Right.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (44:48):
in.
'cause we didn't get'em tattooedor something, and they would
work with you and help you.
They're very, very good aboutthat stuff in my experience.
Um, but on the multi sis, Iassign a, I assign a sire, quote

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (45:00):
you do.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (45:00):
uh, based on how the calf, based on
how the calf looks and stuff.
But then that would always getreverified, um, through

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (45:09):
So how often do you get, I'm sure
you get it right a lot of thetime, but how often do you not,
I mean, because.
Is your multi sire pasturealways.
I mean, I would imagine some ofthose herd bulls are outta the
same sire too, so it would bevery tough to

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (45:23):
I would say I'm more right on those than
I am on AI calves that have gone

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19403 (45:28):
Yeah.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (45:29):
cleanup calves that have

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (45:30):
Yep.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (45:31):
'cause I'm like, what in the heck?
Uh, you're telling me that'sanother clarion?
And they're like, yeah, that's aclarion.
Or this is an influence that wasborn at this time.
And you know, I, I told you guys

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (45:43):
I.

joe_2_04-26-2025_17400 (45:43):
hologram heifers, right?
The my favorite, my favorite,favorite first calf heifers this
year.
And I, I said, these aresupposed to be barricades.
They were et sisters.
And she goes, uh, tell me aboutBruin hallmark.
And I was like, hallmark.
I sold him to a commercial guy.
He was on the side of his motherwhen we were flushing her o So

(46:08):
yeah, he bred the donor cowsthat year and they ended up
being some of our best heifers.
But, um, we do DNA and uh, youknow, the other thing I do guys,
um, I check scrotal on all thebulls too.

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (46:22):
Ah,

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (46:22):
that is noticeably way small or has a
crooked testicle or one testicleor something, I just call it
right then because I could

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (46:30):
and it's easier.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (46:31):
a tetanus shot, kick'em out on
green grass and make a steer outof them rather than put'em in
the feed lot and then figure outafter I put a bunch of money
into'em and everything else,that they aren't gonna

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (46:40):
I've never measured a scrotal at
seven months.
What?
What should I be looking for?
For a circumference?

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (46:46):
I think he was just visually, did
you measure him or are youvisually looking at him?

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (46:50):
no, no.
Not not

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (46:51):
Just visually.
Okay.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (46:53):
look at 'em.
And, and it started Corbin with,

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (46:56):
I.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (46:56):
bulls that had one testicle.
And some of those injuries stillhappen when they're on feed.
But, um, yeah, I feel quitefoolish when you ship one with
one testicle to the feedlotafter he is been there, you
know, three months and then go,oh, I gotta get

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19403 (47:10):
Yeah.

vince_2_04-26-2025_19401 (47:11):
Right.
and you waste a lot of money.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (47:14):
yeah, we try to look at feet.
We try to, uh, if we seeanything noticeable at that time
or if we see somebody that'snoticeably a jerk at that time,
or, um, we'll identify, youknow, the other one we do.
Um, I absolutely love evaluatingcows when we wean

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19403 (47:32):
Yeah.
Oh, you can tell a lot.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174 (47:34):
absolutely love it.
You could tell a lot.
You can tell the ones thatreally, really Mel hard.
You could tell the ones that youthought, man, she looked really,
really good and now she justkinda looks average.
And then ones that you say, boy,she looked kind of average and
now that her utters allengulfed, she looks better than
some of the ones I had scoredbetter or whatever.
And just, I'm not saying that Ikeep data sheets on that, but

(47:55):
it's just

korbin_2_04-26-2025_1940 (47:55):
Mental notes.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (47:57):
keep in

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19403 (47:57):
Yeah.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (47:58):
and I, I like those cows that are
concerned when their calfspulled off of them too.
I don't like'em to stay thereforever, but I like'em to be
concerned.
I, I love those ones that get upon the fence line in the late
calvers and they're lookingright at their calf or right
where they last nursed it.
I mean, things like that I thinkare important to

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19403 (48:14):
it's, it's a pain in the butt.
Like there's some cows that area pain in the butt when you're
trying to move them or pin'em,um, because they, they want you
to get the heck away from theircalf.
But generally, and this is justgenerally, generally, those cows
that are whipping the dog nastyoutta you are raising the
biggest calves.
Um, generally they're doing thebest job and they're the cows
that it's like you, I alwaysrecognize'em because it's like,

(48:36):
man, that's one of my favorites,and she's back here driving me
nuts.
But, um, yeah, I, I definitelythink.
Weaning time is a good time topay.
It's a good time to payattention to how maternal that
cow is.
Anytime you're pinning a pear,you could tell a lot about a
cow.
I mean, you get a very good ideaof what she is.
Um, God weaning is fun.

(48:59):
Do you like wean?
Do y'all like weaning?

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (49:01):
Uh,

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (49:02):
I like it.
I mean,

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (49:03):
like seeing, seeing what we've got,

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (49:05):
I love evaluating them.
Um, so going in the weaning pen,what I do is, is I feed'em twice
a day.
I'll feed'em three pounds twicea day.
Which drop the pin?
Drop the pin lid.
Sorry.
Um, I'll, I'll feed'em threepounds twice a day.
Um, so it's pretty much in linewith what you guys are feeding,
but I, that's one of the bettertimes for me to evaluate, you

(49:26):
know, which, does this one needto stay a bull?
Does he need to get banded?
Ooh, I'm really excited aboutthis one.
Let's see how this bull looks insix months.
I'm, I'm, I'm wondering if he'sgonna still be the best then.
Um.
Generally I have a pretty goodidea of, of who the best bull is
at weaning and most of the timeit kind of stays that way there.
There's occasions where otherones catch up, but, but it sure

(49:49):
is fun to evaluate'em and, andheifers too.
I really like, enjoy andevaluating, um, si groups of
heifers.
I like weaning.
I do.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (49:58):
Joe, you had mentioned once before
about switching pastures

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (50:03):
Yeah.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (50:05):
the calves.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (50:06):
Yeah.
I had a commercial customer who,um, Theresa Ani, she was a big
video customer, and so she'dhave her heifers and her steers
that she was shipping, both,both sets.
The replacement heifers were ata different ranch.
And so they were pretty balancednumbers.
Like maybe they had 150 in onefield, 120 in another field, or

(50:27):
I don't even know, the, and thecattle were kitty-corner, and
she would gather and peel thecalves off and switch'em a set
of cows.
so.
News to any purebred guys whosecows will suck, anything that'll
try, um, in the commercial worldor in big country, those cows
will not want to nurse a calfthat's not theirs.

(50:48):
Uh, but then the socialcomponent is they have that
mature cow there to provide somesort of, I don't know, I don't
want to say

vince_2_04-26-2025_1 (50:55):
Emotional.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (50:56):
but yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, I sound like a, a cattleshrink.
But that social piece, um, theyreally, really resonated well
for her.
And, and why do we do all thesestrategies?
You know, all these differentthings.
It's all stress and stress ismoney and pounds and health and,
and all those things.
Corbin mentioned about the buyerdown the line.

(51:17):
I mean, of these cattle might beone shot away, one shot of
draxton away from beingprofitable or not profitable.
And, um.
That, that's the real worldguys.
And, and so setting people upfor success and setting these
cattle up for success, I thinkis important.
I think there's a lot of peoplewho have tried a lot of
different ways and, and you haveto figure out what works for

(51:38):
your operation.
What I just told you guys aboutthe cows getting locked up in
the dust, I, that's kind of thelong way around.
It can be kind of a pain.
That's because I don't want thecalves with dust.
And the calves can still comeright up to their mothers of the
corral.
Now, if it's a little bit wet orwe got a shower like we did
today, and that ground's stillmoist and I could lock up the
calves and keep the cows out, Ijust go ahead and do that.

(51:59):
Um, so you just, I, I mean, somepeople use this sign of the
moon.
Um, I've never

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (52:04):
I was gonna ask about that.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (52:06):
I've never been savvy about that.
I tried to, um, cut calves thatway, but weaning, I, I haven't,

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (52:12):
I've done it

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (52:13):
you've done it.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (52:14):
yes, and sometimes I've done it by
accident.
And the reason why I know thatI've done it by accident is
because they'll ball for one ortwo days and they're done.
And then there's other timesthat they ball for five to six

korbin_2_04-26-2025 (52:31):
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
I've noticed that too.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (52:34):
it, it is crazy.
And the only reason we noticeit, which we're in there, but
when you walk in the barn, a lotof times if they're content,
they're quiet and laying downuntil you walk in there and they
start getting up and they startbawling again and But our shop
is right beside the barn that wedo it in.
And like, in the shop working,you're like, man, I don't even

(52:56):
hear them.
Calves over there,

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (52:58):
Hmm.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194 (52:58):
escaped?
Are they

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (53:00):
Oh my gosh.
When I was weaning though, thisyear, they did get out.
I, I had those.
That is one thing we need tomention too.
Use really heavy duty hooks onyour gates because I, I had a
really heavy, um, car carabiner,what do you call those?
Carer?
How do you say that?

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (53:17):
Those aren't heavy duty.
They're like 250 pounds.
Max Corbin, if you read the

korbin_2_04-26-2025_1940 (53:21):
That's the fricking fake ones from
Cabelas.
I got the real good ones.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (53:26):
they're

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (53:27):
he didn't get

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19403 (53:27):
Yeah.
Probably,

vince_2_04-26-2025_19401 (53:28):
didn't get the

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19 (53:29):
probably the four oh pound ones.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (53:31):
He didn't get'em from Timo.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (53:32):
You got the value pack

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19403 (53:33):
Yeah.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (53:34):
for

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19403 (53:34):
Yeah, they've been, they did a number
on one of those, which I hadnever had happen before.
But I'll tell you what happenedin that particular instance.
So, um, these calves had notbeen around anyone.
They hadn't, they had been,turned out two miles away, uh,
their commercial calves that Ihadn't screwed with at all.
I did not creep feed'em.
I did not pay attention to'em.

(53:55):
And they were the biggest calveswe, we raised because they were
on the best pastures.
But, um, but yeah, so we getthose in and, and Myla, like I
told her to, she's runningaround the outside of the pen,
you know, just, and they ran andhit that gate real hard and I,
and I didn't think anything ofit at the time.
And then the next morning theywere back with their mothers.

(54:15):
I'm like, gosh, dang it.
Um, but there's one more thing Iwanted to talk about with
weaning, if we had time.
Um, so obviously we're weaningthese calves and it's been two
weeks and, uh.
Joe, I, I just wanted to ask youand Vince both, how do you
identify one that's kind oflooking a little down?

(54:35):
Let's look, maybe looking alittle sick.
How do you know when to utilizethat drax?

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (54:39):
Better earlier than light.
From my perspective, and

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (54:42):
Yeah,

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (54:43):
told this by a really good friend of
mine who was an old cowboy,worked in feedlots for a long
time.
He said, if you get out there atdaylight and you find the ones
with Dew on their back, I.
They're getting ready to getsick.

vince_2_04-26-2025_1940 (54:55):
really.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (54:57):
really try to find those cattle early
in the morning.
If they have dew on their back,you know, something is up.
And I don't know, maybe that,maybe that doesn't apply to all
environments.
Maybe if you're in the southeastand there's more humidity,
that's different.
Vince.
Um, we're in a really, reallynot humid area.
So if,

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (55:14):
I.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (55:14):
that animal's emitting humidity, it's
sweating, right?
Um, so yeah, I absolutely lookat that.
The other one I do, Corbin,because it's more of a
nutritional change and kind of apH balance thing.
We would have more pink eye whenwe wean than anything.
And so I make those calves.
the sun on both sides.
And, and it, I don't wanna saylike, you know, I have 90 calves

(55:36):
in this bunch.
I'm going one by one and they'refacing the sun.
It's more of a

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19403 (55:40):
Yeah.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (55:41):
but I wanna see those cattle when
they're just starting to blink.
I don't want to see them whereyou could see cloudiness.
I mean, that's too late.
And, and my vet gave me thesethings that look like these pool
testing strips, you know, likethe pool

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19403 (55:54):
Yeah.

vince_2_04-26-2025_1940 (55:55):
Mm-hmm.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (55:55):
don't have a pool, you take that and
I, I mix it in a water bottleand then pour that stuff on the
calf's eye and it'll show ifthere's a spot on

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194 (56:04):
Really?

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (56:05):
And, um, those strips are

korbin_2_04-26-2025_1940 (56:07):
That's wild.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (56:08):
set'em up, so you're supposed to put it
on the eye and make the calfblink, and that'll work and
it'll stain the eyeball.
And, but I, I shake it up in awater bottle and pour it on its
eye.
And, um, it works fabulous whenthose, you could barely, barely
see it.
You know, you like, I don't wantto even see it where there's a
dent on the eye.
I want to see it when that just,that spot has started and

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (56:29):
Hmm.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (56:29):
we patch it.
Mostly the patches obviouslyprovide some sun relief, but
then also so that insects don'tget on it and transfer it to
another animal is what I'malways thinking.
do you know, Vince, do you dosomething different for health?
What do you do for health?

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (56:44):
You know, you there, you've had a
lot of conversation about thecalf's health.
And I'm not saying that I don'tworry about the calf's health,
but I worry as much or moreabout the mother because I don't
want them to abort an embryo orabort a pregnancy, especially
when it's hot.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (57:03):
Sure.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (57:04):
my biggest, uh, deal.
So my springs, when we them, andlike I was saying in August or,
or uh, early September, that's alot of times I have to wait that
long because it's so hot and I,I don't want a cow to abort.

(57:25):
So, know, every once in a whilein early fall, you'll catch that
or two that the temperature will

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19403 (57:32):
Yeah, get really cold and then really
hot.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (57:36):
when that's when, and I might not
should be doing it then becausethey've stressed when it was
cool and then it's gonna get hotagain.

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (57:45):
It's tough though.

vince_2_04-26-2025_19401 (57:46):
that's when I try to

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (57:47):
I.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (57:47):
it because they're stressing when
it's cooler and not stressingwhen it's 110.
Um, maybe I'm wrong, I don'tknow, but we don't seem to have
a lot of issues either.
I.
So, yeah, I worry about as muchabout the mother, not the dust.
The dust thing is a great idea.
I don't have to worry about itin the, the way we do it.

(58:11):
but can see where that's a hugeproblem on a calf that's balling
or stirring up dust and suckingall that dust in.
Um, but yeah, I worry as muchabout the, the mothers as I do
the, the calves probably morereally?
Because, I mean, if calf loses alittle weight, yes, that's huge
for stockers, but for what I'mdoing, it's not the end of the

(58:33):
world.
And I don't even think ours fallway off because we do, like
y'all are saying, we're keeping'em confined.
They're not doing a lot ofpacing.
out in a five acre pasture justpacing that fence all day long.
Um, Yeah, I think all thesethings are really, really good
practices.
Um, but we generally, we willscrew around and, we'll, we get

(58:59):
ours caught too late, honestly,uh, like on a pink eye.
I wish I could be that, that,um, ahead of it, but I'm not,
and we've tried.
I cannot get a patch to stay onto save my life.
I wish you could tell me how todo

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (59:15):
He doesn't know he is shaking his
head.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (59:16):
tried and tried and

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (59:17):
I hate pink eye.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (59:19):
mostly just makes me, it makes me feel

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19403 (59:21):
Yeah,

joe_2_04-26-2025_174 (59:21):
especially on these fall calves.
'cause they all have fuzzy hairon'em

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (59:24):
yeah.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (59:26):
like something chemically changes
with them.
Have you noticed that?
Like you have to wean them andthen their hair starts falling
off?
like they have this big, thickdead hair when they're sucking
the

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (59:35):
Yep.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (59:36):
And then it makes me think there's
some hormonal change of nolonger sucking a cow that I
don't know.
And,

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (59:42):
it's a loss of innocence.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (59:44):
going

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (59:45):
Loss of innocence.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (59:46):
It's, it's, it's something bizarre,
but the patches come right offwith the

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (59:50):
Do you?
Do you use the actual patches oryou use old blue jeans?

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (59:55):
I use jeans.
Yeah,

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (59:57):
I think the glue gets more into
the fabric of the jeans.
And they'll stay on a littlebetter than those patches,

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:00:03):
And, and if we get outside of this
next two weeks, which hopefullywe don't have many eye issues,
um, they stay on a lot betterafter that.
Shags kind of

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (01:00:13):
Do you give a pink eye vaccine?

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:00:14):
make,

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:00:16):
I do.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:00:16):
don't, and I wish we did Corbin, we
don't.
And I wish we

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (01:00:21):
Why don't you

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:00:21):
we will do that with the calves this
year.

vince_2_04-26-2025_1940 (01:00:24):
There's not a good one.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:00:26):
And, and here there's, they take
swabs and they'll culture it andmake your

korbin_2_04-26-2025_1940 (01:00:31):
uhhuh.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:00:31):
always, I've had years I've done that
and had terrible pink eye andthen I've had years that I've
not done it and been fine.
And so, um, we need to do abetter, we need to do a better
job of that.
I think.
You know, one thing we didn'ttalk about though, guys, that I
think applies to, uh, marketing,it applies to breeding, it

(01:00:52):
applies to anything.
Start early on your weaningplans.
I.
Like if you have that watertrough that always overflows and
you're like, dang, GoIT, I gottafix that

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:01:02):
Yeah.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:01:02):
do this.
And then you've got three loadsof calves coming in with
goosenecks and guys going abunch of different ways.
Don't fix the water trough, thentry to get all that stuff fixed
ahead of time.
We have like, um, panel feeders,feeder panels and where we
locked these calves, wellthey'll squirt out of those
still

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:01:18):
Yeah.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:01:19):
big.
And so the week before Paxtonand I went to a different ranch
and got a bunch of lightweightpanels and lined all that just
so we, I knew we would leavethem in the iron part of the
corral.
It would be hot, everybody'stired and then we go, crap, we
can't put these calves to bed,quote unquote, we gotta go line
this and do that.
So we just, we try to planeverything really far in

(01:01:40):
advance.
It's been hard with theveterinary feed directive, I
think it's called veteran.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:01:44):
Yes.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:01:45):
feed directive.
We have a great relationshipwith our vet, praise God.
Um, to make sure that we haveantibiotics on hand.
'cause the last thing I want isto see a sick calf on a Friday.
Afternoon and not have enoughdrugs to treat that animal.

vince_2_04-26-2025_ (01:02:00):
absolutely.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:02:01):
so we try to have some of that on
hand.
Do you guys have anything toadd?
'cause I have a

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (01:02:05):
I do too.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:02:06):
big, big one.
Okay.
Add yours.
Add yours first.

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (01:02:09):
One of the most important things I
think we do before we wean is weclean out the pen, we're gonna
put the cows in.
Um, it's not a very big area.
I do not want those calvestrumping through two feet of
mud.
Fresh off a cow.
Um, I know those pins can getkind of nasty.
I know it takes some time.
It does.
That's one of the most tedioustasks that I do, is cleaning

(01:02:31):
that pin out with a skidsteer.
It takes a while and it's gross.
I mean, that's nasty.
It stinks.
It gets you dump it in the side.
The skid steer and the cab.
It's something that's verynecessary though.
Um, those calves need somewhereto lay.
They don't need to be laying intheir own nasty crap.
So, um, take the time and dothat before you wean.
What's yours, Joe?

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:02:52):
It's Vince's favorite topic,

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194 (01:02:55):
Quarter cc Straw.

joe_2_04-26-2025_1740 (01:02:56):
adjusted.
Birth weights.
Oh, he's got a lot of favoritetopics, huh?

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (01:03:01):
He's an angry fella.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:03:03):
Do you know what I'm gonna say?
Vince?
Vince,

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:03:05):
No, what?

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:03:06):
it.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:03:08):
What?

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (01:03:09):
Ah, the contempt.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:03:11):
so stupid.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:03:12):
uh, but there's a reason for it, right?

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:03:16):
It's stupid if you treat'em all the
same.
Why are we having to sort it upso much?
I get the embryo calf part.
I do, and I guess I get thefirst calf heifer part a little
bit.
But outside of that, I just, I,maybe I'm just too stupid to

(01:03:38):
understand it.
I guess.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:03:39):
I think we're talking about different
things because I think you tellme if you would disagree, tell
me if you would disagree.
You don't wanna mix cattle froma really, really good ranch with
cattle from a really, reallypoor ranch.
Right.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:03:52):
I don't have that problem.
I'm not that big a

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (01:03:55):
So then it is necessary.
It is necessary.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:03:58):
that big.
A ranch.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:03:59):
Okay, here, how about this?

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:04:01):
I get it.
These, there's ranchers.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:04:04):
then you had one set of cows that you
fed cake to all winter.

vince_2_04-26-2025_1940 (01:04:07):
Mm-hmm.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:04:09):
It would

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:04:09):
They were treated differently.
Correct.

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19403 (01:04:11):
would need to be in their own group.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:04:12):
cattle and how they're treated should
be all in the same what

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:04:15):
But that's not how they do it.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:04:17):
Well, we're talking about different
things because I've had thathappen too.
And it's very frustrating whereit's like, doggone it.
Why did my contemporary groupsget jacked with, and then we
have to go back and

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:04:26):
Yes.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:04:27):
that's some computer stuff.
But I wanted to read theguidelines.
I have'em here.
Um, I, I screenshot'em before westarted talking.
How will contemporary groups besplit?
And this is from the AmericanAngus Association, um, a HIR web
website.
It says Cabs of different sects,bull or heifer are automatically
pulled apart.
So we aren't comparing bulls andheifers.

(01:04:48):
We're comparing all bullstogether.
All heifers together, all steerstogether, 90 day birth window.
Okay, so they have to be born in90 days.
So if they're born on August1st, you can have an October 1st
in there.
If I'm

vince_2_04-26-2025_19401 (01:05:01):
That's a pretty big gap.

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (01:05:03):
The younger calf is gonna get a
really good boost on that.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:05:07):
It's gonna pound them.
But if you only have 10

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (01:05:11):
You can't get away from it.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:05:13):
you can't get away from it.
Right?
So I understand for smallerproducers, um, groups will be
split by group codes.
So let's say Vince caked thisset of cows.
This set of cows got, uh, some ohay and this set of cows roughed
it.
He's gonna give different codedesignations for each of those
CIA cattle

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:05:30):
I didn't even know you could do
that.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:05:31):
you use aims right

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:05:33):
Yeah.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:05:34):
now,

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:05:34):
Oh, you're talking about

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194 (01:05:36):
Groups.

vince_2_04-26-2025_1940 (01:05:36):
Tammy's awesome.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:05:38):
The best

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:05:39):
Yeah.
You're talking about

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:05:40):
If you had a fantasy draft for best
employee of American Angus,would it be Tammy?

vince_2_04-26-2025_19401 (01:05:46):
Tammy.
It used to.
It used to would've been RamonaBrown.
Did you ever deal with Ramona?

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:05:51):
Gosh, what was she, she wasn't in
names though, was she?

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:05:53):
No.
She was in registration.
She was so

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19403 (01:05:57):
Okay.
Now name your least favoriteemployee at an Angus.
Just kidding.
Just kidding.
Just kidding.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:06:04):
I will.
I've

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (01:06:06):
Oh, I'm ready.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:06:07):
I've got two.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:06:08):
I know.
And I know, I bet you I could

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:06:10):
I bet you could too.
Anyway, keep

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (01:06:13):
Lb.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:06:13):
love Tammy.

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (01:06:15):
I'm kidding.
I don't, I just.

joe_2_04-26-2025_17400 (01:06:17):
register versus commercial dams.
Natural versus embryo calves.
All your embryo calves go in onegroup unless they're outta
commercial cows.
Um, and if you, if you want allyour embryo calves to go against
each other, and you only havelike two hero red cows,
recommendation

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (01:06:34):
What is this?
What just happened?

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:06:36):
the

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:06:37):
Was

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (01:06:37):
Is Paxton in there?

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:06:39):
usually get.
Dear listeners, I usually get athumbs up like I just got, but
today I got balloons as

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (01:06:45):
What

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:06:46):
might actually mean that this
recording is gonna suck and it'sgonna be all jumbled

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (01:06:51):
Joe?

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:06:51):
Amy's

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (01:06:51):
I just noticed that you're in a
different place than normal.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:06:54):
Come on.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:06:55):
Okay?

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:06:56):
on, Corbin.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:06:57):
We gotta keep going.
So it's my recommendation.
You have 10 embryo calves, twoare out of purebreds, and eight
are out of commercials.
Why wouldn't you just call thosetwo purebreds commercials?

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:07:08):
Yes.
Thank you.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:07:10):
I, that is my recommendation to breeders
because you'll get a biggercomparison and it doesn't cheat
anything on the commercial side.
Don't lie and call thosepurebreds because you're gonna
have to come up with aregistration paper and that's
how they contemporary groupthose differently.
But bigger contemporary groupthat you can have that are of
accurate, um, environmentalconditions, ages and stuff like

(01:07:33):
that, I think is, is the bestthat, that, that we can do for
the data.
And that's it.
That's all I have.
Um, if you submit like weaningweights and then that animal
doesn't show up or shows up at alater turn in, so you turn in
one set of data on Monday andthen you turn a different set of
data in on Thursday, they aren'tgonna automatically figure that

(01:07:54):
out, turn in the data based onthe contemporary groups.
and why, why, why contemporarygrouping?
Well, it's, so we could say thatthose animals are raised under.
Similar environmental

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:08:06):
I, I can see, I can really see the
fact as if you treated a groupdifferently.
Saying, okay, we treated'emdifferently, so they need to be
in a different group.
But breaking it down 50different ways is a bit much.
I also see where a big ranchwith of head, and just like you

(01:08:31):
said, that maybe the, maybe theWest Ranch doesn't have any
grass, but that's the only placethey had to put'em, so they had
to cake those or something likethat.
get that.
That makes sense.
Um, and a lot of this view thatI have is because this is what
we've done here and they're nottreated differently.

(01:08:55):
Um, so my, my view is verynarrow and it probably shouldn't
be, but, um, that's all I'veever experienced was that.
So it was very discouraging tome when my.
Groups get shifted around ontheir own when that's not how I

(01:09:19):
turned them in.
I was always under theimpression just I turned them in
as one lump sum.
So I wouldn't try to be anythingbecause there's lots of folks
that like to manipulate theircontemporary groups to make one
animal shine or two animalsshine.
Um, I always thought if I wasturning'em in as a whole, it

(01:09:43):
would be more accurate.
But then by the time theassociation gets done doing what
you just said, registeredresets, commercial resets,
bulls, heifers, first calf,heifers, um, two year olds,
three year olds, six year olds,eight year olds, you know, they
sort all that out.
Then my contemporary groups getso little, it's not accurate.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:10:08):
And you have one cal ratio, like one 18,
and then you have three others.
Ratio 87, 82.
Like you're like, what

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:10:15):
Yes,

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (01:10:16):
of the problem with being a smaller
producer, producer in general.
Um,

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:10:20):
It really is.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:10:22):
And then you have somebody calling
and they're like, oh, you, I sawthat cow Ratioed 82.
Like, no, she, she probably isnot above, uh, she's a 98 kind
of ratioing cow, but she was upagainst this longer that just
throttled this small

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19403 (01:10:36):
yeah, she's up against the longer
that's open that raised the pissoutta one, you know, so that
ratio ends up screwed up, but.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:10:45):
How about this, Vince?
Uh, do you pull your first calfheifers out or no?

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:10:50):
I started doing it in the last
year, year and a half.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:10:56):
How about you,

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:10:56):
I have six, I have six groups.
I've got heifers, males, andfemales.
So there's two

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:11:03):
Yep.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:11:03):
um, cows.
Registered just adult cows.
It don't matter.
Once they're not a heifer,3-year-old, the 10-year-old
heifers and bulls.
And then I've got reci,registered recip, heifers, et
calves, heifers, and bulls.

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (01:11:18):
I do, I,

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:11:20):
What

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (01:11:20):
I,

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:11:20):
your commercials?
Do you

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:11:21):
Is

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:11:22):
resets too, or no?

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:11:24):
I, do I just turn it all in?
I, I, I figured they're gonnasort that out.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:11:29):
Yeah.

vince_2_04-26-2025_1940 (01:11:29):
They're gonna give'em all zero anyway.
So,

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (01:11:32):
I don't, I, I haven't taken
advantage of the fact that youcan, I, I do use registered
resets, but I have not takenadvantage of.
I haven't, as soon as theybecome a reci, that generally
means here, that they've come upopen or something's wrong with
them, or I don't wanna keepsomething out of'em.
So I haven't taken advantage ofthe fact that I can put them in
my contemporary groups and getthat ratio.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:11:54):
I'll be honest, I'm almost to the

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (01:11:56):
I.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:11:57):
they screw with the data so much.
I just assume'em, tell'emthey're all commercials.

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19403 (01:12:01):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, I, I didn't really eversee the benefit to it, so

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:12:06):
well, I first thought there was a lot
of benefit to it because youwould get a ratio, but then they
start taking into account allthis stuff that I'm not even
really sure that goes into thataccount.
So

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:12:19):
think it's with good intentions, but I
think, boy, it's hard to verify,

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:12:23):
yes.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:12:24):
of our

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19403 (01:12:25):
just,

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:12:25):
would be the ones with the harder to
market EPD profile, like the sixon birth to 70 on yearling
growth.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:12:32):
So they're figuring some of that in
it.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:12:34):
Yes, yes, yes.

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19403 (01:12:36):
I've, uh,

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:12:37):
the

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19403 (01:12:39):
yeah, I've, I've always put the
heifers together, uh, in theirown contemporary group.
One thing I'm thinking aboutdoing this year is I, I've
started running the twos and thethrees together just because,
um, the three year olds.
I don't really have enoughheifers to make a group of, I
like to run about a group of 40cows and I don't really have

(01:13:00):
enough heifers.
Spring heifers, there was 20 and20, so I just put'em all
together.
So I, I'm, I'm mulling overwhether I should put them all in
one contemporary group or, uh,yeah.
So I might have twos and threestogether, um,

vince_2_04-26-2025_1940 (01:13:15):
They're gonna sort'em, they're gonna
sort the threes from the

korbin_2_04-26-2 (01:13:18):
automatically.
Oh, well

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:13:21):
I think so

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (01:13:22):
then I might as well just put'em all
together and let them sort'em.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:13:25):
do you, do you, do you, uh, do it
online, Corbin or do you do itwith

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (01:13:29):
I do it online and honestly, what
we're talking about right nowgives me shingles, like it's on
Vince's forehead I hate and, andinputting data.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:13:38):
doesn't have shingles.
He doesn't have

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (01:13:40):
He got.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:13:41):
because if you have shingles, it only
goes to like one side of your

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:13:45):
Yeah.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:13:46):
be a line all the way down his
forehead and it would be on theright side or left.
This guy looks like, he lookslike, what was it, the elephant
man, where he is got like allthat swelling and stuff.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:13:55):
I look like the elephant man.
Thank you, Joe.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174 (01:13:57):
complexion looks good.
I've been ask, gonna ask ifyou've been using some of Abby's
vanilla flavored tallow becauseyou look really shiny, but

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:14:05):
I,

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:14:05):
part right there looks

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194 (01:14:06):
Listen, I'm worried

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:14:08):
more

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:14:08):
Amy, Amy said, Amy was rubbing my
head earlier and she said,you're crazy.
Like, like a big bacon biscuit.

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (01:14:17):
I was.
I can you imagine her sayingthat in her Tennessee accent
too, Joe?
Um,

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:14:23):
Oh,

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19403 (01:14:23):
gold.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:14:24):
like a big old bacon biscuit,

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19 (01:14:26):
worried.
Vince, I don't think you need togo out in the sun because you've
got so much oil on your skin.
That's why I was telling him toput a hat on earlier.
I'm worried he is.

vince_2_04-26-2025_19401 (01:14:34):
That's why I'm

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (01:14:35):
I'm worried your skin's gonna boil
off.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:14:37):
brown

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (01:14:38):
I'm worried.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:14:39):
No, no, no,

korbin_2_04-26-2025_1940 (01:14:40):
You're gonna get skin cancer.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:14:41):
Yeah.
No, that's not, it's notshingles, but what were we even
talking

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (01:14:44):
I don't know.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:14:45):
I don't know.
Contemporary groups wasting

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19 (01:14:49):
weaning.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:14:49):
uh.
The, the reason I switched oncontemporary groups though, is I
just felt like we help ourheifers along.
So it was, that was one piece.
Um, but even if we don't helpour heifers along, I just think
that adjustment is a little bitaggressive.
I don't like how itautomatically hammers the older

(01:15:10):
cattle.
And, um, so I don't know.
I pull'em out and if, if I havea similar ranch they're on with
the three year olds, like yousaid, and they're all together,
then I leave those, um, my dealreally gets hurt because we have
big ranches, but then they godown to smaller ranches.
And so like our summertimepastures, the cows are running
like a cow to an acre and ahalf, two acres.

(01:15:34):
And so those little ranches makea bunch of little teeny tiny
contemporary groups and thenthose cattle all wean together
or a winter together.
So that, that's a challenge forus because, um, to Vince's point
about nutritionally, we have twodifferent types of soil here.
We have this auburn clay loam,and then we have this stuff
called boomer loam.

(01:15:54):
And the boomer loam is like, youwould grow vegetables in that
stuff.
It is so, so potent.
And the cattle gain so well, andwhere the auburn clay loam is,
it's kind of junky grass.
And the cattle are muchdifferent and the stocking rates
are different too.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:16:06):
So here's my view of it.
You have an opportunity to tryto your information as accurate
as possible.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:16:19):
Yes.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:16:20):
you do not take that opportunity to
keep that information asaccurate as possible, by signing
them a contemporary group,they're gonna do it for you.
And they're not gonna do it,right.
They're gonna do it the way theysee fit.
I don't, that is not a, a digor, uh, uh, anything mean

(01:16:43):
towards them.
Whoever them is, it's thecomputer doing it.
And if it's not sorted right,even when I tell them.
I've had to get on the phonewith Tammy before and she said,
that's not what you sent in, butthe computer put it there.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:16:57):
Mm-hmm.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:16:58):
I've had to go in and fix it.
So if you don't attempt to, thecomputer is gonna try to do it
for you and it's gonna screw'emup.
So take the time to try to sort'em.
The way you see fit is my, mylittle bit of advice and I

(01:17:19):
didn't start doing it until ayear or two ago because I was
trying to keep all myinformation as accurate as
possible by dumping'em alltogether because I didn't want
to be one of these guys thatmakes contemporary groups of
four or five.

joe_2_04-26-2025_17400 (01:17:33):
lessons?
No, when you said not makecontemporary groups of four and

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:17:38):
I,

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:17:38):
I think that really resonated with me.
Um, the contemporary group offour and five, I had, uh, Wade
Schafer, who's the, uh,executive director of Simmons
Hall Association.
He told me four and five mightbe as accurate as you can get,
and that's okay.
Do what's accurate, do what'saccurate, but

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:17:57):
The,

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:17:58):
go ahead.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:17:59):
the problem that I saw.
Was, I know for a fact that werepeople back in the day when
marbling first started comingout, and that was a big deal.
They were cooking thecontemporary groups.
They would take these crappythree little calves and they
would put this one they wantedto get as a shining star and get

(01:18:21):
a really high EPD on so theycould market the hell out of it,
and they would put those in acontemporary group.
Then they would do it again.
They would take three or fourmore, put'em in this group and
take this shining star.
those calves all ended upgetting cold, and then they had
a pasture full of shining stars.
So that's why I was trying tojust dump all mine together

(01:18:43):
because I wasn't trying to hideanything.
I was trying to make it asaccurate as possible.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:18:48):
Yep, that did happen and it still
happens.
That's the beauty of performancepedigrees.
And you find these outfits thatare 500 cow deals with
contemporary groups of three,and you're like, what?
What's going on here?
And just ask for an explanation.
You

vince_2_04-26-2025_19401 (01:19:00):
Right.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:19:01):
assume that it's always bad, but ask
for an explanation.
Um, I just thought of somethingwhen you cut out and I was gonna
ask you,

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:19:08):
Yeah, that's true.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:19:09):
lessons learned with contemporary
grouping.
I got a good one.
13, 21 influences Mom.
Um, it was that cow's last calf.
She was 12 years old, I believe,maybe 10.
And her mother actually gotreally, really hurt when she was
raising her, like really, reallyhurt and kind of half starved

(01:19:29):
that calf.
I was like, dammit, you knowwhat?
I'm don't have time for all thiscrap.
And I turned in all the data,just all the heifers.
Boom.
have pulled that heifer calf outbecause it assumed that she had
no growth because she ratioedlike something stupid because
she was starved on an old, old,old cow.
And that age of damageadjustment factor hadn't kicked

(01:19:52):
in.
And it didn't, the, Icontemporary grouped her wrong
that, haunted that cow forseveral generations because that
assumed growth was in there.
Whereas if I should have done isI should have pulled 1321 out of
the contemporary group, and Ishould have just said she was a
contemporary group of one.
She would've went to parentalaverages, then we would've dnad,

(01:20:13):
or then her numbers would'vebeen closer to what they were.
My poor contemporary grouping,my inaccurate contemporary
grouping, actually hurt thatanimal.
Um, who's actually quiteinfluential in our herd.
Now

korbin_2_04-26-202 (01:20:26):
Interesting.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:20:27):
that's a hell, that's a hell of a way
to end.
You don't have anything moreexciting?
The with messed up stuff.
So it's funny is we had this setup as what a a three content

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:20:40):
yes,

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:20:41):
I think we talked enough about

korbin_2_04-26-2025_19403 (01:20:42):
yeah, that's all we had.

vince_2_04-26-2025_19401 (01:20:44):
That's it.
Yep.

joe_2_04-26-2025_174002 (01:20:46):
good.

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:20:48):
Take us out, Corbin.

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (01:20:49):
Ooh, I don't, I haven't got, I
haven't been allowed to do this.
Have I

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:20:52):
know.

korbin_2_04-26-2025_194030 (01:20:53):
take it away?

vince_2_04-26-2025_194010 (01:20:54):
I.
We will see you next time aroundthe shoot.