July 2, 2025 • 29 mins
He just wanted to list it as his job on Facebook. Instead, it became a community.
For longtime fan Mr. Zigzagoon, a tiny raccoon Pokemon became the symbol of something much deeper like friendship, passion, and perseverance. We explore how a chance online connection sparked the beginning of a community, how a childhood Mew gifted through kindness shaped a lifetime of giving, and how love and support carry this Trainer forward in both life and Pokémon.
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Mr. Zigzagoon (00:00):
Hey, I'm Mr.
Zigs Goon, and this is myPokemon story.
Theme Song
David Hernandez (00:43):
Welcome to As The Pokeball Turns where every
voice, every journey, and everymemory brings us closer to the
world of Pokemon.
I'm David Hernandez and I'mjoined by a longtime Pokemon fan
who's been sharing their passionsince 2015.
As a collector, a creator, and acommunity memeber behind Mr.
Zigzagoon.
Mr.
Zigzagoon.
Welcome to As The PokeballTurns.
Mr. Zigzagoon (01:03):
Hey, thanks for having me, man.
David Hernandez (01:05):
Absolutely.
And for me, I love Gen three,that's one of my favorite
generations, and I saw yourname.
I'm like, oh my gosh.
Somebody named themselves afterMr.
Zigzagoon.
I kind of wanted to know thestory of why Mr.
Zigzagoon, where's theinspiration behind that name?
Mr. Zigzagoon (01:19):
Okay, so, yeah, like you said, gen three, that
is a favorite generation of mineas well.
back in 2015, I made a friend inanother Pokemon group.
He was from Singapore, and westarted chatting and stuff.
We'd trade Pokemon and all that.
you know, in the mega ruby andalpha Sapphire days.
So.
he got this idea one day, he waslike, Hey, we should make a
Pokemon group.
And I was like, I don't knowman.
(01:39):
I feel like that's gonna be alot of work.
And he was like, that's fine,we'll do it anyway.
And so he made the group and hemade me an admin immediately and
I was like, alright, I guess I'min it now.
So, yeah, I just got to workright away.
And we decided to do like admintags, kind of like a lot of
people in Pokemon groups didback then.
like a Pokemon that representsthem.
(02:00):
And at first I was gonna go withlike Groudon or Tyranitar'cause
I was like, yeah, those areawesome.
Right?
You know?
but then I thought about it alittle more and I was like, you
know what though?
I was like, Zigzagoon.
He's kind of the G.O.A.T of genthree in a way, you know?
And I think like that'd be alittle funnier and a little more
unique.
So I chose Zigzagoon,
David Hernandez (02:19):
well, I guess what made Zigzagoon the goat for
you in Gen three?
So,
Mr. Zigzagoon (02:22):
So, obviously he, he clears with his hms, you
know, like he's the guy that youneed for that.
And, his pickup ability is just,you know, super helpful
throughout the game.
David Hernandez (02:33):
Yeah.
Especially, um, I love the RubySapphire one specifically
because they didn't have thelimitations that Emerald
introduced.
So you could get like rarecandies, you can get like
nuggets at like level two orthree
Mr. Zigzagoon (02:44):
Oh yeah, it was like a huge help.
You know, you get a nugget earlygame, that's five grand
immediately.
David Hernandez (02:49):
Exactly like how game changing.
Obviously it's very broken, buthow game changing was that And
plus I love Zigzagoon and itsevolution.
I think they say Linoone is howit's called.
They're
Mr. Zigzagoon (02:57):
Yeah.
David Hernandez (02:57):
of like, I don't know.
I, I prefer them over Sentretfor some reason.
I just always found themadorable.
Mr. Zigzagoon (03:02):
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
I mean, who doesn't like araccoon based Pokemon?
David Hernandez (03:06):
Now I wanted to ask, since you touched on how
this page started in 2015, and Iwanna know like, was there ever
any moment that made you think,yeah, I really love being a part
of this Pokemon community?
Mr. Zigzagoon (03:15):
Yeah.
what I did, I actually used likepower save back in the day.
I did like.
giveaways.
I do them like every single dayto the point where I burn myself
out after like, you know, sixmonths of doing this straight.
David Hernandez (03:25):
Oh, geez.
Yeah, that's a
Mr. Zigzagoon (03:26):
Yeah.
But a lot of people came andshowed support and, you know, I
just felt nice to give somethingnice to people.
the page itself, it's a funnystory about the page.
I actually made it to be, kindof a part of the group in a way.
I want to list the group as likemy occupation on Facebook.
even though I had a full-timejob, so the page wasn't really
(03:47):
active and it was just a meansto, to do that.
And I even like put it in thepage so like, you know, this
won't be active just so I can,list this says my occupation.
Well people just started likingthe page anyway, and before I
knew it, there were likehundreds of people already, you
know, had liked the page.
So, yeah, later on I decided toutilize it and, turned it into
(04:10):
what it is now, so,
David Hernandez (04:12):
Now, my last question just in regards to the
early starts, before we diveinto your experience with
Pokemon, because you said yourfriend started the group anyway,
even against your own wishessaying it was gonna be too much
work.
Right?
Mr. Zigzagoon (04:22):
Yeah.
David Hernandez (04:22):
made you decide to still say yes to being a mod?
'cause you could have justeasily said, you did this, but
I'm not gonna be involved eventhough you were hesitant to
begin with, you know?
Mr. Zigzagoon (04:30):
Yeah.
I don't know.
maybe I felt like it was kind ofa, maybe a duty to my friend.
I was like, you know, he seemspretty passionate about it, so
I'll give it a shot.
And I think as soon as I startedworking on it, I kind of fell in
love with it immediately, eventhough traction wasn't great at
first.
But I knew it was like anythingthat you build from the ground
up, you just kind of gotta workat it.
And you know, if you keep going,you know people will come.
(04:53):
and that's exactly whathappened.
David Hernandez (04:55):
You're also very patient because you know,
a, for your friend to just, tostill stick with them, you know,
but
Mr. Zigzagoon (05:00):
Yeah.
David Hernandez (05:00):
you put it beautifully to where sometimes
attraction's not immediate, anda lot of people really want that
immediate satisfaction, but youkind of solve the, I'll say
growth of, of starting somethingfresh and you are willing to
kind of stick with it.
Mr. Zigzagoon (05:13):
Yeah, it definitely takes a lot of
perseverance if you're doing anysort of like content anything
like that.
And I, I think a lot of peopleget discouraged very quickly and
it can be discouraging.
I actually put up a post, Idon't know, a couple weeks ago
about mental health in thisspace and how, you know, it can
be very discouraging.
It can take a toll on yourmental health when you put out
(05:34):
content every day.
And sometimes you don't see theresults you like and it, it can
hurt.
David Hernandez (05:39):
Now I wanna shift gears real quick.
We'll come back to the Mr.
Zigzagoon page, but I wanna talkabout your experience with
Pokemon and know where did thisall start?
Where did your experience withPokemon first begin?
Mr. Zigzagoon (05:48):
So whenever it hit the US back in, I guess it
was 98, I was in third grade,and when it, first started
becoming very popular, Iactually was kind of a, I guess
a contrarian at first.
I was like, you know, it's justa bunch of dumb animals.
I was like, this is silly, youknow?
David Hernandez (06:06):
Right,
Mr. Zigzagoon (06:07):
pretty soon I got my hands on like my first
Pokemon cards.
and I fell in love.
But, you know, I, I just flipflopped immediately.
So, Yeah, I started collectingthe cards and it wasn't long
after I got my very first GameBoy Pocket with a copy of
Pokemon Red and it was on fromthere, you know.
David Hernandez (06:23):
are you like me, like in a different time
zone?
Because that's how I firststarted to where Pokemon came
out.
I'm like, why would you likethis stuff?
Like what's the appeal behindit?
And I hated Pokemon.
That's always been somethingI've said and I'm like, wait,
this sounds very familiar.
Are you sure you're not me in adifferent world?
Mr. Zigzagoon (06:38):
Probably, I'm not gonna lie, I, I have this
tendency toward a lot of things.
It become like super popular andI try to work really, really
hard not to be like that, youknow, because.
there's been things just likethat and I've given it a fair
shake.
Eventually I'm like, you know,this is actually pretty good,
you know?
So, yeah.
I don't know.
There's just some sort of likepredetermined thing within me
that wants to dislike thingsthat are super popular, but
(06:59):
sometimes they're popular for areason.
David Hernandez (07:01):
You know, after you changed your mind it's
because of the cards.
Do you remember like what it wasabout The Pokemon card
specifically that kind ofchanged your mind?
Mr. Zigzagoon (07:09):
I don't know.
I, I think the fact that it waslike something you could do with
your friends and stuff, youcould trade them and collect
them together and all, like,it's definitely very appealing
even now, uh, even though Idon't get to do that with
friends very much these days, Imean it kind of, it's like the
community aspect, kind of likejust with the pages and groups
and stuff.
Like I really enjoy thecommunity aspect of Pokemon.
(07:29):
It's uh, it's kind of a magicalthing, you know?
David Hernandez (07:32):
Now you said you eventually jumped into
Pokemon Red.
Do you remember what your firstexperience of playing those
games were like?
Mr. Zigzagoon (07:37):
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
I played it a ton.
Um, so Bulbasaur was my veryfirst starter.
David Hernandez (07:43):
Let's go.
Mr. Zigzagoon (07:44):
Yes.
And if I could choose him again,I would, you know, like I've
always loved Bulbasaur.
I ended up naming it Bruterootafter the, Venusaur that was on
the first movie.
I had a friend on the bus.
He was actually quite a bitolder than I was.
he may have been a middleschooler high school, I can't
remember which, but he'd sitwith me and we'd play the Game
Boy games together and he waslike a super big help.
(08:05):
He'd like, let me borrow hisstrategy guides and stuff, and
he'd like.
Trade me cool Pokemon.
he had a game shark.
He like got me a Mew
David Hernandez (08:11):
Oh, that's sick.
Yeah, and
Mr. Zigzagoon (08:13):
and same with the cards.
He'd like, he'd help me out.
I was just a kid, you know, andhe knew that, and he'd like,
give me free stuff, you know.
He is, he's super nice.
David Hernandez (08:20):
Sound like this friend had a huge influence on
you.
Like I know they're old.
He was older, but I mean, thefact that he let you even borrow
the game guides, he gave you aMew, which I know it's.
It's a game shark and I mean, Iused it too, so,
Mr. Zigzagoon (08:31):
Sure.
Yeah.
It was hard to get a mute backthen.
David Hernandez (08:34):
it was, I mean, it was impossible.
You had to
Mr. Zigzagoon (08:36):
Yeah,
David Hernandez (08:36):
York City or something like that.
Right.
Mr. Zigzagoon (08:38):
right.
David Hernandez (08:39):
when you look back on that, what does it mean
to be trusted with somethinglike a Mew from him?
Did, like, did that kind ofleave an imprint on you?
Yeah,
Mr. Zigzagoon (08:45):
yeah, I'd say it did.
Even if like, I didn't reallyknow it at the time, you know, I
was maybe too young to reallyrealize it.
but yeah, just that act ofkindness like that, I do go back
and think about it every now andthen just because it's like, I
guess it was my first experiencewith Pokemon where someone was
showing me a great amount ofkindness through the franchise,
and it's been really nice tolike kind of give back, you
(09:07):
know, uh, in the future, youknow, whenever I could do like
the groups and the pages andstuff, I try to, I try to engage
with, people as much as I can.
I try to be.
As kind as I can,
David Hernandez (09:17):
Do you think that, I guess that initial
action that he gave you, uh, of,you know, the Mew and the
tragedy guys kind of influencedwhat you do nowadays within The
Pokemon community?
Mr. Zigzagoon (09:26):
Yeah, a little bit.
Especially, you know, I don't dothe, the giveaways with like
power saving stuff anymore, but,
David Hernandez (09:31):
Yeah.
Mr. Zigzagoon (09:32):
but I, I really enjoyed doing that.
Whenever I did do that, it feltvery much like the same thing,
but on a much larger scale.
'cause I was, you know, givenaway like.
hundreds Pokemon, you know?
David Hernandez (09:42):
like I said, you're doing it for six months
straight.
I'm impressed by how long thatwent.
So clearly you were passionateabout doing that kind of side of
Pokemon.
Yeah.
Mr. Zigzagoon (09:49):
Yeah, absolutely.
David Hernandez (09:51):
Now, did you continue with Pokemon after Gen
one or like, what does thatjourney look like afterwards?
So,
Mr. Zigzagoon (09:55):
So yeah, whenever gen two came out, I got silver
and I played that.
I was a huge fan of Lugia.
So yeah, that was only natural.
and then.
Whenever gen three came around,my like interest in Pokemon was
starting to wane a little bit.
And funny enough, I saw apromotional poster for Pokemon,
Ruby and Sapphire, and I sawGroudon on there and I was like,
(10:18):
dude, that thing looks sick.
I was like, I need that.
we went on our family vacationto the beach and I got like.
a little chunk of money that Icould use while we were on
vacation and I used like a bigchunk of it to buy Pokemon Ruby
while we were there.
David Hernandez (10:30):
Oh, wow.
Really?
Mr. Zigzagoon (10:32):
Yeah.
And like, you know, at night,whenever, you know, we were like
back from the beach and justchilling out after dinner I'd be
playing Pokemon Ruby and I waslike hooked, you know, and they
made a lot of like great changesin gen three, you know, that
really improved Pokemon, Ithink.
and I continued playing Genthree for many years after that,
even though I didn't like buygen four back then and
(10:53):
everything.
I was even into my like earlymid twenties still playing the
original gen three games.
David Hernandez (10:58):
That's such, I guess a powerful start to to gen
three'cause you're at the beach,which is where Hoenn kind of
based off of, especially afteryou get past the Rustboro City
part and
Mr. Zigzagoon (11:09):
Yeah.
David Hernandez (11:09):
and everything.
That's such a cool tie in tohave, and I don't know how far
you got into the game, but ifyou made it that far to even
catch Groudon, I mean, you kindof had the whole Hoenn
experience, four D and ahead ofits time, if that makes sense.
That's so funny
Mr. Zigzagoon (11:21):
That's so funny you mentioned that.
I actually never like connectedthose dots like that.
David Hernandez (11:25):
Oh,
Mr. Zigzagoon (11:26):
That's kind of cool.
David Hernandez (11:26):
Yeah.
Mr. Zigzagoon (11:29):
Yeah, definitely like a tropical region.
And I was at the beach.
Huh?
David Hernandez (11:33):
Yeah.
Mr. Zigzagoon (11:33):
Yeah, I don't remember exactly how far I got,
but I definitely, I was playinga lot, so I, I think I at least
made it probably halfway throughthe game or more while we were,
you know, on vacation that week.
David Hernandez (11:43):
Well, lemme ask you this.
So what do you think it is aboutGen three specifically that
compared to the othergenerations, or at least one and
two, that kept you hooked andkept you playing the game even
into Gen four and beyond?
Mr. Zigzagoon (11:53):
like I said, I feel like they made a lot of
upgrades.
the graphics were, I guessnothing crazy if you really
think about it, but they justfelt so much fresher.
the introduction of doublebattles was like super exciting
to me.
I thought that was really cool.
I thought all three of thestarters were amazing.
I did choose Treecko though,'cause I'm usually a grass guy.
yeah, I don't know.
A lot of The Pokeball just felt,I don't know, they just, they
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were like, just so cool and sonatural to me.
I really enjoyed just aboutevery aspect of the game,
honestly.
well that you could just run wasreally nice.
David Hernandez (12:26):
sounds like you have like a very, I don't know,
tie in or very relational aspectto the grass type Pokemon.
'cause you chose Bulbasaur, youchose Treecko,.
Grass-type something that youresonate with or is it kinda
your favorite type?
Mr. Zigzagoon (12:38):
funny thing, I, I'd say it's not really my
favorite type overall.
but I don't know, there's justsomething about it.
I feel like everyone alwaysgravitated toward fire starters
and, I don't know.
I felt maybe grass was maybemore unique.
I enjoyed the Maybe strategicslower play that grass types
often have where they use stufflike leach seed and, and all
that.
You know, the long game.
David Hernandez (12:57):
I was gonna say, it probably ties into your
contrarian inside, like, oh, ifyou're choosing a fire start,
I'm choosing the grass type.
I don't care if it's weak, kindof thing.
Mr. Zigzagoon (13:02):
Yeah, exactly.
I'll just, I'll go catch aGeodude you know.
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David Hernandez (13:42):
Well, as we continue, I wanted to ask, so
what's your favorite Pokemon?
Is it Zigzagoon or is itsomething different?
Mr. Zigzagoon (13:47):
I'd say Zigzagoon probably is like my favorite.
right beside it though isGroudon, uh, I love Groudon it.
Just, it's such a cool Pokemon.
And honestly the reason why Ibought Pokemon Ruby.
I feel like it like kind ofsaved my love for Pokemon in a
way.
'cause like I said, I was kindof, getting out of it a little
bit.
And you know, the fact that Isaw Groudon and thought it was
so cool kept me right in there.
You know, and I've been in andout of Pokemon throughout my
(14:09):
life.
You know, you go through stagesand phases and stuff, but I
never disliked Pokemon no matterwhat.
So
David Hernandez (14:15):
it's always been kinda like that little
background character to wheresomeday you'll probably engage
with it and other times youkinda have to put it aside
properly.
Most of the time it's life.
Sometimes, you know, you have,you need to break.
Sometimes Pokemon becomes toomuch for everybody, right?
Mr. Zigzagoon (14:26):
yeah, definitely.
David Hernandez (14:26):
I definitely resonate with you with groan or
gro.
I keep calling it Gruin.
I don't know why, but, but Ilove Groudon.
That's actually why I chosePokemon Ruby as well, because
Mr. Zigzagoon (14:35):
Nice.
David Hernandez (14:36):
the appearance and it was just something about
it being, I guess, red and thewhole idea of it being ground
and magma really kind of stuckwith me.
When I saw Kyogre I justthought, oh, it's just a fish.
But Groudon just was really moreof.
I don't know.
I just kinda like the design andit's something that stuck with
me for the longest, and even tothis day, it's not, it's
obviously gone down for me alittle bit for as far as
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favorites, but I just love theidea of it bringing the sun.
It could potentially destroy theworld realistically.
Like to me it felt morerealistic if the sun really
partes the earth, you know?
Mr. Zigzagoon (15:05):
Oh yeah, no, it, it'd be terrifying actually to,
to see a Groudon in real life.
David Hernandez (15:10):
Now I want to ask, so what did you get a
chance to play the remakes?
Omega Ruby Alpha Sapphire
Mr. Zigzagoon (15:14):
Yeah, I did.
I, I thought they were wereexcellent overall.
I was gonna go to the midnightrelease at GameStop when it was
coming out, and then I guess, Iguess it hasn't been mentioned
yet here, but you know, I worknight shift and I have for the
past 15 years.
And I was like, oh man, youknow, I gotta go to work.
And I was like, I don't have anytime off or whatever, so I can't
go to that.
and then I realized I had like apersonal day where like, it was
(15:38):
like one where I could just callit in and you know, there was
just like nothing held againstyou.
And as soon I was like literallybrushing my teeth, getting ready
to like leave for work.
And I was like, oh my gosh, youknow, I've, I've got that
personal day.
So I hit up my friends and I waslike.
Guys, I was like, get yourstuff, get ready.
I was like, we're going.
I was like, I don't have to goto work.
(15:59):
So we, we went and got, uh,Pokemon, uh, Omega Ruby and
Alpha Sapphire and pretty muchplayed it all night.
So
David Hernandez (16:08):
I imagine you going, Hey, got, uh, Hey boss, I
got The Pokeball RS I'm notgonna be able to make it to work
today.
Mr. Zigzagoon (16:13):
yeah,
David Hernandez (16:13):
I'm at The Pokeball Center right now
though.
I'll give you an update if I canmake it tomorrow,
Mr. Zigzagoon (16:17):
yeah, no doubt.
David Hernandez (16:19):
but that's kind of cool though.
You like, thought was like, itwas like a last like 11th hour
kind of thing to where, hey, Ican actually go and see this.
And
Mr. Zigzagoon (16:26):
Yeah,
David Hernandez (16:26):
friends probably enjoyed that time.
Like what was that like to kindof be in that midnight release.
Mr. Zigzagoon (16:30):
it was cool.
Uh, I don't think I'd ever beento a midnight release of
anything before, and it wasn'tmassive or anything.
we're in a bit of a smallerarea, I think, as Clefa
mentioned.
But, yeah, it was just, it wascool to like go and get the
game, like at its very firstrelease and be able to just, you
know.
Played immediately.
And like I said, you know, Iplayed it all night and then of
course I continued to play itfor a few years, and, the games
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were amazing.
I felt like, the things thatthey changed with it compared to
the originals like, they werereally nice.
for example, the characters, Ifelt like the characters that
already existed, they gave a lotmore personality to, the
additional characters that theyadded I felt were like really
nice and natural.
You know, they felt.
Like they fit in the game well.
the additional content was nice,like the Delta episode.
That was pretty cool.
David Hernandez (17:12):
yeah.
I love that.
Yeah.
Mr. Zigzagoon (17:13):
Yeah, I mean, uh, just about everything about it.
I can't really find much of acomplaint about the games.
I you know, so some might sayit's a 7.8 outta 10 too much
water, you know.
But, uh,
David Hernandez (17:23):
know, shoot,
Mr. Zigzagoon (17:23):
I'd say I'd say 10 outta 10 for sure.
Easy.
David Hernandez (17:26):
they need get with that.
Hm.
O three man.
Mr. Zigzagoon (17:28):
Yeah, exactly.
David Hernandez (17:30):
I did.
Well, since you mentioned theDelta episode, I felt like it
was kind of for mejustification, because I was one
of those guys who believed inthe myth of Sootopolis city, or
not Sootopolis, Mossdeep City,the space station, where
Mr. Zigzagoon (17:40):
Yeah,
David Hernandez (17:41):
the rocket hit the hundred, you get to go see
Jirachi.
And I'm like, ah, I wish it wastrue.
But then I felt kind of like, Idon't know, scene.
At that point I'm like, oh mygosh, we actually get to go to
space and battle thees.
This is perfect.
Mr. Zigzagoon (17:52):
right.
It's honestly pretty sick.
David Hernandez (17:54):
Okay.
Well, I wanna shift gears backto you spreading the page
because again, we started in2015.
How did you guys learn along theway to run the page and what
kind of content to put on outthere for people to watch or
consume like how did thatrelationship evolve?
I guess
Mr. Zigzagoon (18:08):
So, I actually didn't start doing a whole lot
with the page until 2022.
like I said, the page wascreated back then and, you know,
it was kind of vacant for a longtime and I started to utilize it
later, but it was, happened tobe years later.
so.
I started off, in the, sort oftoward the end of 2022 with
getting really into the cardsagain, and I wanted to create
(18:30):
like Pokemon card content, andthat's kind of what I started
doing.
You know, I'd, I'd share somethings here and there.
I wasn't posting a whole lotthough, but it was kind of
difficult to like, make enoughPokemon card content to fill
each day, and I realized thatpretty quickly.
It's also very costly.
David Hernandez (18:47):
it gets a little pricey after a while,
Mr. Zigzagoon (18:48):
Yeah.
So, I started diversifying mycontent sometime last year.
I started adding in more thingslike I post like Pokemon art, I
post Pokemon memes.
I do like interactive posts now.
just fun stuff that people canrelate with and stuff that, you
know, like I, I feelcomfortable, you know, doing
within the space.
'cause not everything in ThePokeball franchise I'm
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comfortable with, like, doingcontent on, for example, like
the anime.
when I was growing up, we didn'treally have the channels that
had the anime, so my exposure toit was fairly limited.
You know, I, I gotta see like,the first movie in theaters.
Uh, I saw some episodes on likeVHS tapes that I had, But I I
didn't really get to watchthrough the anime.
You know, like a lot of peoplehave.
David Hernandez (19:28):
you talked about you were into the cards.
What brought you back into thatside of Pokemon?
'cause I know at first that'show it got started, but it
sounds like you took a break andthen came back with the cards at
that point.
Yeah,
Mr. Zigzagoon (19:37):
Yeah, so Ari had like a Pokemon card collection.
it was, you know, it was prettydecent.
And then, a friend of mine, heactually started working at the
local card shop here.
And slowly got me back into likethe cards again.
Especially because his boss wasalways trying to sell me Pokemon
cards.
He knew I was interested inthem.
So it was a pretty easy sell tome, you know, after I started
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looking through'em and stuff andI was like, yeah, why not?
You know?
So.
David Hernandez (20:03):
what does your collection consist of?
Are you trying to do like mastersets you, do you favorite
Pokemon?
Like what do you like to collectPokemon card wise?
Yeah.
Mr. Zigzagoon (20:09):
Yeah.
Unfortunately it's master sets.
David Hernandez (20:12):
my gosh.
You cel.
I'm sorry.
Mr. Zigzagoon (20:14):
Yeah, it is.
It is a painful process.
It's, it's fun and painful.
It's a, it's a job that neverends for sure.
David Hernandez (20:21):
I thought like that's Pokemon car collection in
a nutshell.
I feel
Mr. Zigzagoon (20:23):
Yeah.
Pretty, pretty much.
David Hernandez (20:26):
Do you have any particular favorite sets that
you, I guess, enjoy or hope tocomplete someday?
Mr. Zigzagoon (20:30):
I don't know.
I don't know that I have aparticular favorite set off the
top of my head.
I don't have many complete, tobe honest with you.
I am one reverse hollow awayfrom completing obsidian flames
from Scarlet and Violet.
David Hernandez (20:42):
okay.
So
Mr. Zigzagoon (20:42):
It's a Dugtrio that keeps eluding me and I
could just buy it on TCG playerif I want, but I wanna find it,
you know, so.
David Hernandez (20:49):
about the hunt that really appeals to a lot of
people.
Yeah,
Mr. Zigzagoon (20:51):
Yeah, exactly.
David Hernandez (20:53):
That's how it feel with me.
'cause for me, I decided to tryto do a master set of the gym
Heroes and Gym Challenges backin, you know, the classic set.
Mr. Zigzagoon (21:00):
Yeah.
David Hernandez (21:01):
it's just, it brought so much memories.
'cause I'd always loved thosecards.
I just loved the idea behindthem.
But then I'm to the point towhere.
I'm at the pricier side.
I'm like, oh my gosh, I don'tknow how I'm gonna ever afford
this.
This is like almost half myrent.
So
Mr. Zigzagoon (21:12):
Yeah.
Undoubtedly, especially ifyou're getting like first
edition and stuff and um, andyou start diving into like
shadowless and base set, it's.
David Hernandez (21:19):
not
Mr. Zigzagoon (21:19):
It's surreal.
David Hernandez (21:20):
doing shadowless first a edition.
I'm tempted that that doesappeal to me, but
Mr. Zigzagoon (21:24):
Yeah.
David Hernandez (21:25):
the idea of completing that.
So that's my kind of.
guess we'll call it whale Lord.
I'm trying to complete that.
Mr. Zigzagoon (21:31):
That is a whale order of a said.
David Hernandez (21:32):
of a set and so, but I kind of seal it'cause
it's like I wanna see it done.
Like I just, I never got achance to complete a set.
I've never done that.
That's the one that I have themost nostalgia for back in the
day.
I love the new cards, I love thedesigns.
It's just, I don't have as muchof appeal compared to those, so
I get it.
Mr. Zigzagoon (21:48):
Yeah, the nostalgia factor definitely
plays into that.
I mean, I still have a lot oflike vintage cards as well.
I don't have any complete setsof that yet, and I haven't
really started trying to tackleit.
If I find one that I know I'mmissing and it's not a horrible
price, you know, I might grab itor something.
But yeah,
David Hernandez (22:04):
Now, you also started, I don't know if this is
maybe around 2022, you startedyour own Facebook group with Mr.
Z, which is the Mr.
Pokemon station.
And what made you kind of wannastart that group?
Was it because you wanted, cameback to the page, or was it a
different reason?
So
Mr. Zigzagoon (22:17):
so that is actually the original group that
I was talking about from 2015.
It's just been converted.
Yeah.
Yep.
So it was originally calledPokemon Station.
That was the name that my friendactually gave it.
and then shortly after I startedgetting back into the page and,
you know, doing stuff with it, Idecided to, convert the group
because it just kind of laidvacant for a long time as well.
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I'd say sometime in like 2017 itreally started to die off, and
it was partly because I wasn'treally contributing much to it
anymore.
a lot of the other adminsweren't really doing a whole lot
with it either, so.
It, it just kind of died off.
So I've converted it into, Mr.
Zigzagoon's Pokemon station andjust kind of repurposed it as
kind of a hangout to, supplementmy page.
David Hernandez (22:58):
how have you noticed a difference from
running the page to running thegroup?
Like what the different, Iguess, appeals to each one?
Mr. Zigzagoon (23:05):
so a lot of the content that goes on my page
does go to the group as well.
I feel like maybe the, currentlythe main appeal to be in the
group is to be able to shareyour own stuff If you're just a
member, so you have a place tolike.
be connected to Mr.
Zigzagoon in the page, you know,wise, but also be able to like,
share your, you know, cool artthat you found.
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Or maybe you pulled a cool cardtoday and you can share that, or
whatever.
David Hernandez (23:30):
So I wanna shift gears real quick, and I
wanna talk about Clefa doingstuff.
she's your uh, partner and, youknow, we had her on the podcast.
She shared her story and now youhear you are, and I kind of
wanted to know, what is it liketo kind of have who also does
Pokemon stuff?
Does it kind of overlap or doy'all kind of bounce ideas off
each other sometimes?
Mr. Zigzagoon (23:48):
Yeah.
we definitely bounce some ideasoff each other.
I feel like we do mostly do ourown stuff, but every now and
then, like if one of us isstruggling, you know, the other
knows it and kind of like try tobe supportive and, you know,
off.
Her ideas and stuff.
So I know for her, she,sometimes she kind of has to
wing it with her post.
She doesn't always have a wholelot, you know, scheduled ahead
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and it stresses her out reallybadly.
So, you know, if, if I can thinkof something, I'll be like, Hey,
what if we took a, a picturewith CLE foot doing this or
something, you know, or, Hey,let's take a walk.
Maybe we can find something coolto take pictures, you know, with
Cliff, you know, so,
David Hernandez (24:23):
It
Mr. Zigzagoon (24:23):
yeah.
David Hernandez (24:24):
kind of her support system when she, the
whole, she's kind of franticallyand kind of I'll say panicking.
Mr. Zigzagoon (24:29):
Yeah.
David Hernandez (24:30):
her grounded in a way.
Mr. Zigzagoon (24:31):
Yeah.
And she's mine too, becausewhile I don't really panic or
stress out in the same way, uh,I definitely get frustrated.
she's a very calm person, and Iam too, until I get frustrated.
And then I'm just, uh, I getvery irate sometimes, you know,
and I don't, I don't take it outon her, obviously, but I just, I
don't know.
I, I just kind of get.
In a bad head space, you know,but she definitely helps me a
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lot whenever, you know, I'm, I'mfeeling it.
David Hernandez (24:57):
We talked about this a little bit and I wanted
your insight on it.
You know, she supports you onwhat you're passionate about and
you know, she, she even admittedthat you're more of a Pokemon
fan or not Pokemon fan.
You know more about Pokemon thanshe does,
Mr. Zigzagoon (25:09):
Yeah.
David Hernandez (25:10):
to know what does it mean for you to have
that kind of support from apartner who may not have as much
history or experience with thefranchise, but chooses to kind
of engage with it because ofyou, if that makes sense.
Yeah,
Mr. Zigzagoon (25:21):
Yeah, it's, it's honestly huge because, I hear so
many stories of people that, noteven just Pokemon, just their
hobbies in general.
Their partner isn't supportiveof it, and it's kind of sad to
see, especially when it's ahobby that isn't hurting anybody
and.
you know, I mean, I canunderstand if you're like
dropping thousands of dollars onthe cards or something and
you're not able to pay yourbills, that's one thing.
But when someone's healthily,engaging in their hobbies and
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the partner's not supportive,it's kind of, it's sad to see.
So to have a partner like herwho's not only supportive of it,
but has also, dove into it withme, you know, has been really
nice.
It's been, uh, it's been fun.
David Hernandez (25:56):
And then what I loved about it, she also shared
how she helps you at doingvendor events.
Mr. Zigzagoon (26:00):
Yeah,
David Hernandez (26:00):
I wanted to know what made you start to want
to do those and how has yourexperience changed with her by
your side, kind of running thissmall business in a way.
Mr. Zigzagoon (26:08):
so we only started doing, vendor events
starting earlier this year.
yeah, there's a guy that I met,he's a, a local fellow, I met
him a couple years ago actually.
I bought a 3D print of his At afestival here in town we kind of
started chatting a little bitand stuff, and we wanted to kind
of do some business stuff, butit just didn't really come to
fruition at that time.
And then late last year, we gotin contact again and we started
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talking about it again and westarted formulating ideas and
goals and stuff.
And yeah, this year we've beengoing, you know, more into it.
he's got his, like his own LLCand everything for his 3D
printing business.
And he wanted to expand intoPokemon cards because that's a
big interest of his.
And obviously that's likesomething that I've specialized
in for at least the past fewyears now.
(26:52):
So I've been able to like, addthat portion to the business
and, been learning about like 3Dprinting stuff, which is really
cool.
I always thought it was reallycool.
so we've been doing a lot ofevents throughout the year.
Uh, our weekends have beenpretty busy.
It, Cleffa's been there prettymuch the whole time, you know,
helping me out whenever it'slike, not one that I'm not doing
with my business partner orwhatnot.
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So.
David Hernandez (27:14):
That's great.
And has your experience withPokemon been like going to these
events and being like a Pokemonvendor?
How's it different from youbeing a fan and just doing the
games and the cards?
Mr. Zigzagoon (27:23):
I'd say it's not too different because most
people that come to me andthey're interested in buying
anything Pokemon, whether it belike a 3D print or the cards,
they're usually willing to chatabout it a little bit because,
you know, they're obviouslyinterested in it and it helps a
lot.
I like going to like any socialevent where I know I can connect
to people on something so.
David Hernandez (27:43):
Now I wanted to ask, this is my last question
just with y'all two.
has there ever been kind of amoment or something with, it
comes to Pokemon that kind offeels just deeply just you two,
like this is just y'all's thing
Mr. Zigzagoon (27:53):
I guess she mentioned us playing the TCG
together.
Like she said, there's not manypeople around here to play with,
unfortunately.
So it was for a long time justkind of a thing with us.
You know, we'd be bored orsomething in the evening and I'd
be like, Hey, you wanna playsome Pokemon TCG?
And she'd say, sure.
You know, so we'd sit down atthe table and, and play a few
games, you know?
David Hernandez (28:13):
Oh, that sounds awesome.
It's like a date night in a way.
A
Mr. Zigzagoon (28:17):
Yeah, a little bit.
David Hernandez (28:17):
Yeah.
Well, Mr.
Zigzagoon, I wanna finish onthis last question if somebody
was to come battle to you, sixon six, what six Pokemon would
you choose?
Mr. Zigzagoon (28:27):
Oh, wow.
All right.
Dream Pokemon team.
That is, that's actually kind oftough.
I'd say, give me Venusaur,Garchomp, Zapdos., Let's go with
Rotom Wash.
Now change that to Rotom Heat.
Actually, the fire coverage,that's better.
David Hernandez (28:42):
Okay.
Mr. Zigzagoon (28:42):
and we will go with Mimkyu and Snorlax.
David Hernandez (28:46):
And Mr.
Zigzagoon, if they want to checkout your content, they wanna
check out your page, where canthey go?
By al means, please plug away.
Mr. Zigzagoon (28:51):
So, Facebook, Mr.
Zizagoon, just as you wouldthink it's spelled, Of course I
got the group, Mr.
Zigzagoon's Pokemon Station.
I also have an Instagram, whichisn't too active, but I hope to,
make that more active here inthe near future.
And I do also have a YouTubechannel, which same deal there,
not active so much at themoment, but something I hope to
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bring back soon.
So also just called Mr.
Zigzagoon
David Hernandez (29:15):
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David Hernandez (00:43):
Welcome to As The Pokeball Turns where every
voice, every journey, and everymemory brings us closer to the
world of Pokemon.
I'm David Hernandez and I'mjoined by a longtime Pokemon fan
who's been sharing their passionsince 2015.
As a collector, a creator, and acommunity memeber behind Mr.
Zigzagoon.
Mr.
Zigzagoon.
Welcome to As The PokeballTurns.
Mr. Zigzagoon (01:03):
Hey, thanks for having me, man.
David Hernandez (01:05):
Absolutely.
And for me, I love Gen three,that's one of my favorite
generations, and I saw yourname.
I'm like, oh my gosh.
Somebody named themselves afterMr.
Zigzagoon.
I kind of wanted to know thestory of why Mr.
Zigzagoon, where's theinspiration behind that name?
Mr. Zigzagoon (01:19):
Okay, so, yeah, like you said, gen three, that
is a favorite generation of mineas well.
back in 2015, I made a friend inanother Pokemon group.
He was from Singapore, and westarted chatting and stuff.
We'd trade Pokemon and all that.
you know, in the mega ruby andalpha Sapphire days.
So.
he got this idea one day, he waslike, Hey, we should make a
Pokemon group.
And I was like, I don't knowman.
(01:39):
I feel like that's gonna be alot of work.
And he was like, that's fine,we'll do it anyway.
And so he made the group and hemade me an admin immediately and
I was like, alright, I guess I'min it now.
So, yeah, I just got to workright away.
And we decided to do like admintags, kind of like a lot of
people in Pokemon groups didback then.
like a Pokemon that representsthem.
(02:00):
And at first I was gonna go withlike Groudon or Tyranitar'cause
I was like, yeah, those areawesome.
Right?
You know?
but then I thought about it alittle more and I was like, you
know what though?
I was like, Zigzagoon.
He's kind of the G.O.A.T of genthree in a way, you know?
And I think like that'd be alittle funnier and a little more
unique.
So I chose Zigzagoon,
David Hernandez (02:19):
well, I guess what made Zigzagoon the goat for
you in Gen three?
So,
Mr. Zigzagoon (02:22):
So, obviously he, he clears with his hms, you
know, like he's the guy that youneed for that.
And, his pickup ability is just,you know, super helpful
throughout the game.
David Hernandez (02:33):
Yeah.
Especially, um, I love the RubySapphire one specifically
because they didn't have thelimitations that Emerald
introduced.
So you could get like rarecandies, you can get like
nuggets at like level two orthree
Mr. Zigzagoon (02:44):
Oh yeah, it was like a huge help.
You know, you get a nugget earlygame, that's five grand
immediately.
David Hernandez (02:49):
Exactly like how game changing.
Obviously it's very broken, buthow game changing was that And
plus I love Zigzagoon and itsevolution.
I think they say Linoone is howit's called.
They're
Mr. Zigzagoon (02:57):
Yeah.
David Hernandez (02:57):
of like, I don't know.
I, I prefer them over Sentretfor some reason.
I just always found themadorable.
Mr. Zigzagoon (03:02):
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
I mean, who doesn't like araccoon based Pokemon?
David Hernandez (03:06):
Now I wanted to ask, since you touched on how
this page started in 2015, and Iwanna know like, was there ever
any moment that made you think,yeah, I really love being a part
of this Pokemon community?
Mr. Zigzagoon (03:15):
Yeah.
what I did, I actually used likepower save back in the day.
I did like.
giveaways.
I do them like every single dayto the point where I burn myself
out after like, you know, sixmonths of doing this straight.
David Hernandez (03:25):
Oh, geez.
Yeah, that's a
Mr. Zigzagoon (03:26):
Yeah.
But a lot of people came andshowed support and, you know, I
just felt nice to give somethingnice to people.
the page itself, it's a funnystory about the page.
I actually made it to be, kindof a part of the group in a way.
I want to list the group as likemy occupation on Facebook.
even though I had a full-timejob, so the page wasn't really
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active and it was just a meansto, to do that.
And I even like put it in thepage so like, you know, this
won't be active just so I can,list this says my occupation.
Well people just started likingthe page anyway, and before I
knew it, there were likehundreds of people already, you
know, had liked the page.
So, yeah, later on I decided toutilize it and, turned it into
(04:10):
what it is now, so,
David Hernandez (04:12):
Now, my last question just in regards to the
early starts, before we diveinto your experience with
Pokemon, because you said yourfriend started the group anyway,
even against your own wishessaying it was gonna be too much
work.
Right?
Mr. Zigzagoon (04:22):
Yeah.
David Hernandez (04:22):
made you decide to still say yes to being a mod?
'cause you could have justeasily said, you did this, but
I'm not gonna be involved eventhough you were hesitant to
begin with, you know?
Mr. Zigzagoon (04:30):
Yeah.
I don't know.
maybe I felt like it was kind ofa, maybe a duty to my friend.
I was like, you know, he seemspretty passionate about it, so
I'll give it a shot.
And I think as soon as I startedworking on it, I kind of fell in
love with it immediately, eventhough traction wasn't great at
first.
But I knew it was like anythingthat you build from the ground
up, you just kind of gotta workat it.
And you know, if you keep going,you know people will come.
(04:53):
and that's exactly whathappened.
David Hernandez (04:55):
You're also very patient because you know,
a, for your friend to just, tostill stick with them, you know,
but
Mr. Zigzagoon (05:00):
Yeah.
David Hernandez (05:00):
you put it beautifully to where sometimes
attraction's not immediate, anda lot of people really want that
immediate satisfaction, but youkind of solve the, I'll say
growth of, of starting somethingfresh and you are willing to
kind of stick with it.
Mr. Zigzagoon (05:13):
Yeah, it definitely takes a lot of
perseverance if you're doing anysort of like content anything
like that.
And I, I think a lot of peopleget discouraged very quickly and
it can be discouraging.
I actually put up a post, Idon't know, a couple weeks ago
about mental health in thisspace and how, you know, it can
be very discouraging.
It can take a toll on yourmental health when you put out
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content every day.
And sometimes you don't see theresults you like and it, it can
hurt.
David Hernandez (05:39):
Now I wanna shift gears real quick.
We'll come back to the Mr.
Zigzagoon page, but I wanna talkabout your experience with
Pokemon and know where did thisall start?
Where did your experience withPokemon first begin?
Mr. Zigzagoon (05:48):
So whenever it hit the US back in, I guess it
was 98, I was in third grade,and when it, first started
becoming very popular, Iactually was kind of a, I guess
a contrarian at first.
I was like, you know, it's justa bunch of dumb animals.
I was like, this is silly, youknow?
David Hernandez (06:06):
Right,
Mr. Zigzagoon (06:07):
pretty soon I got my hands on like my first
Pokemon cards.
and I fell in love.
But, you know, I, I just flipflopped immediately.
So, Yeah, I started collectingthe cards and it wasn't long
after I got my very first GameBoy Pocket with a copy of
Pokemon Red and it was on fromthere, you know.
David Hernandez (06:23):
are you like me, like in a different time
zone?
Because that's how I firststarted to where Pokemon came
out.
I'm like, why would you likethis stuff?
Like what's the appeal behindit?
And I hated Pokemon.
That's always been somethingI've said and I'm like, wait,
this sounds very familiar.
Are you sure you're not me in adifferent world?
Mr. Zigzagoon (06:38):
Probably, I'm not gonna lie, I, I have this
tendency toward a lot of things.
It become like super popular andI try to work really, really
hard not to be like that, youknow, because.
there's been things just likethat and I've given it a fair
shake.
Eventually I'm like, you know,this is actually pretty good,
you know?
So, yeah.
I don't know.
There's just some sort of likepredetermined thing within me
that wants to dislike thingsthat are super popular, but
(06:59):
sometimes they're popular for areason.
David Hernandez (07:01):
You know, after you changed your mind it's
because of the cards.
Do you remember like what it wasabout The Pokemon card
specifically that kind ofchanged your mind?
Mr. Zigzagoon (07:09):
I don't know.
I, I think the fact that it waslike something you could do with
your friends and stuff, youcould trade them and collect
them together and all, like,it's definitely very appealing
even now, uh, even though Idon't get to do that with
friends very much these days, Imean it kind of, it's like the
community aspect, kind of likejust with the pages and groups
and stuff.
Like I really enjoy thecommunity aspect of Pokemon.
(07:29):
It's uh, it's kind of a magicalthing, you know?
David Hernandez (07:32):
Now you said you eventually jumped into
Pokemon Red.
Do you remember what your firstexperience of playing those
games were like?
Mr. Zigzagoon (07:37):
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
I played it a ton.
Um, so Bulbasaur was my veryfirst starter.
David Hernandez (07:43):
Let's go.
Mr. Zigzagoon (07:44):
Yes.
And if I could choose him again,I would, you know, like I've
always loved Bulbasaur.
I ended up naming it Bruterootafter the, Venusaur that was on
the first movie.
I had a friend on the bus.
He was actually quite a bitolder than I was.
he may have been a middleschooler high school, I can't
remember which, but he'd sitwith me and we'd play the Game
Boy games together and he waslike a super big help.
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He'd like, let me borrow hisstrategy guides and stuff, and
he'd like.
Trade me cool Pokemon.
he had a game shark.
He like got me a Mew
David Hernandez (08:11):
Oh, that's sick.
Yeah, and
Mr. Zigzagoon (08:13):
and same with the cards.
He'd like, he'd help me out.
I was just a kid, you know, andhe knew that, and he'd like,
give me free stuff, you know.
He is, he's super nice.
David Hernandez (08:20):
Sound like this friend had a huge influence on
you.
Like I know they're old.
He was older, but I mean, thefact that he let you even borrow
the game guides, he gave you aMew, which I know it's.
It's a game shark and I mean, Iused it too, so,
Mr. Zigzagoon (08:31):
Sure.
Yeah.
It was hard to get a mute backthen.
David Hernandez (08:34):
it was, I mean, it was impossible.
You had to
Mr. Zigzagoon (08:36):
Yeah,
David Hernandez (08:36):
York City or something like that.
Right.
Mr. Zigzagoon (08:38):
right.
David Hernandez (08:39):
when you look back on that, what does it mean
to be trusted with somethinglike a Mew from him?
Did, like, did that kind ofleave an imprint on you?
Yeah,
Mr. Zigzagoon (08:45):
yeah, I'd say it did.
Even if like, I didn't reallyknow it at the time, you know, I
was maybe too young to reallyrealize it.
but yeah, just that act ofkindness like that, I do go back
and think about it every now andthen just because it's like, I
guess it was my first experiencewith Pokemon where someone was
showing me a great amount ofkindness through the franchise,
and it's been really nice tolike kind of give back, you
(09:07):
know, uh, in the future, youknow, whenever I could do like
the groups and the pages andstuff, I try to, I try to engage
with, people as much as I can.
I try to be.
As kind as I can,
David Hernandez (09:17):
Do you think that, I guess that initial
action that he gave you, uh, of,you know, the Mew and the
tragedy guys kind of influencedwhat you do nowadays within The
Pokemon community?
Mr. Zigzagoon (09:26):
Yeah, a little bit.
Especially, you know, I don't dothe, the giveaways with like
power saving stuff anymore, but,
David Hernandez (09:31):
Yeah.
Mr. Zigzagoon (09:32):
but I, I really enjoyed doing that.
Whenever I did do that, it feltvery much like the same thing,
but on a much larger scale.
'cause I was, you know, givenaway like.
hundreds Pokemon, you know?
David Hernandez (09:42):
like I said, you're doing it for six months
straight.
I'm impressed by how long thatwent.
So clearly you were passionateabout doing that kind of side of
Pokemon.
Yeah.
Mr. Zigzagoon (09:49):
Yeah, absolutely.
David Hernandez (09:51):
Now, did you continue with Pokemon after Gen
one or like, what does thatjourney look like afterwards?
So,
Mr. Zigzagoon (09:55):
So yeah, whenever gen two came out, I got silver
and I played that.
I was a huge fan of Lugia.
So yeah, that was only natural.
and then.
Whenever gen three came around,my like interest in Pokemon was
starting to wane a little bit.
And funny enough, I saw apromotional poster for Pokemon,
Ruby and Sapphire, and I sawGroudon on there and I was like,
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dude, that thing looks sick.
I was like, I need that.
we went on our family vacationto the beach and I got like.
a little chunk of money that Icould use while we were on
vacation and I used like a bigchunk of it to buy Pokemon Ruby
while we were there.
David Hernandez (10:30):
Oh, wow.
Really?
Mr. Zigzagoon (10:32):
Yeah.
And like, you know, at night,whenever, you know, we were like
back from the beach and justchilling out after dinner I'd be
playing Pokemon Ruby and I waslike hooked, you know, and they
made a lot of like great changesin gen three, you know, that
really improved Pokemon, Ithink.
and I continued playing Genthree for many years after that,
even though I didn't like buygen four back then and
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everything.
I was even into my like earlymid twenties still playing the
original gen three games.
David Hernandez (10:58):
That's such, I guess a powerful start to to gen
three'cause you're at the beach,which is where Hoenn kind of
based off of, especially afteryou get past the Rustboro City
part and
Mr. Zigzagoon (11:09):
Yeah.
David Hernandez (11:09):
and everything.
That's such a cool tie in tohave, and I don't know how far
you got into the game, but ifyou made it that far to even
catch Groudon, I mean, you kindof had the whole Hoenn
experience, four D and ahead ofits time, if that makes sense.
That's so funny
Mr. Zigzagoon (11:21):
That's so funny you mentioned that.
I actually never like connectedthose dots like that.
David Hernandez (11:25):
Oh,
Mr. Zigzagoon (11:26):
That's kind of cool.
David Hernandez (11:26):
Yeah.
Mr. Zigzagoon (11:29):
Yeah, definitely like a tropical region.
And I was at the beach.
Huh?
David Hernandez (11:33):
Yeah.
Mr. Zigzagoon (11:33):
Yeah, I don't remember exactly how far I got,
but I definitely, I was playinga lot, so I, I think I at least
made it probably halfway throughthe game or more while we were,
you know, on vacation that week.
David Hernandez (11:43):
Well, lemme ask you this.
So what do you think it is aboutGen three specifically that
compared to the othergenerations, or at least one and
two, that kept you hooked andkept you playing the game even
into Gen four and beyond?
Mr. Zigzagoon (11:53):
like I said, I feel like they made a lot of
upgrades.
the graphics were, I guessnothing crazy if you really
think about it, but they justfelt so much fresher.
the introduction of doublebattles was like super exciting
to me.
I thought that was really cool.
I thought all three of thestarters were amazing.
I did choose Treecko though,'cause I'm usually a grass guy.
yeah, I don't know.
A lot of The Pokeball just felt,I don't know, they just, they
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were like, just so cool and sonatural to me.
I really enjoyed just aboutevery aspect of the game,
honestly.
well that you could just run wasreally nice.
David Hernandez (12:26):
sounds like you have like a very, I don't know,
tie in or very relational aspectto the grass type Pokemon.
'cause you chose Bulbasaur, youchose Treecko,.
Grass-type something that youresonate with or is it kinda
your favorite type?
Mr. Zigzagoon (12:38):
funny thing, I, I'd say it's not really my
favorite type overall.
but I don't know, there's justsomething about it.
I feel like everyone alwaysgravitated toward fire starters
and, I don't know.
I felt maybe grass was maybemore unique.
I enjoyed the Maybe strategicslower play that grass types
often have where they use stufflike leach seed and, and all
that.
You know, the long game.
David Hernandez (12:57):
I was gonna say, it probably ties into your
contrarian inside, like, oh, ifyou're choosing a fire start,
I'm choosing the grass type.
I don't care if it's weak, kindof thing.
Mr. Zigzagoon (13:02):
Yeah, exactly.
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David Hernandez (13:42):
Well, as we continue, I wanted to ask, so
what's your favorite Pokemon?
Is it Zigzagoon or is itsomething different?
Mr. Zigzagoon (13:47):
I'd say Zigzagoon probably is like my favorite.
right beside it though isGroudon, uh, I love Groudon it.
Just, it's such a cool Pokemon.
And honestly the reason why Ibought Pokemon Ruby.
I feel like it like kind ofsaved my love for Pokemon in a
way.
'cause like I said, I was kindof, getting out of it a little
bit.
And you know, the fact that Isaw Groudon and thought it was
so cool kept me right in there.
You know, and I've been in andout of Pokemon throughout my
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life.
You know, you go through stagesand phases and stuff, but I
never disliked Pokemon no matterwhat.
So
David Hernandez (14:15):
it's always been kinda like that little
background character to wheresomeday you'll probably engage
with it and other times youkinda have to put it aside
properly.
Most of the time it's life.
Sometimes, you know, you have,you need to break.
Sometimes Pokemon becomes toomuch for everybody, right?
Mr. Zigzagoon (14:26):
yeah, definitely.
David Hernandez (14:26):
I definitely resonate with you with groan or
gro.
I keep calling it Gruin.
I don't know why, but, but Ilove Groudon.
That's actually why I chosePokemon Ruby as well, because
Mr. Zigzagoon (14:35):
Nice.
David Hernandez (14:36):
the appearance and it was just something about
it being, I guess, red and thewhole idea of it being ground
and magma really kind of stuckwith me.
When I saw Kyogre I justthought, oh, it's just a fish.
But Groudon just was really moreof.
I don't know.
I just kinda like the design andit's something that stuck with
me for the longest, and even tothis day, it's not, it's
obviously gone down for me alittle bit for as far as
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favorites, but I just love theidea of it bringing the sun.
It could potentially destroy theworld realistically.
Like to me it felt morerealistic if the sun really
partes the earth, you know?
Mr. Zigzagoon (15:05):
Oh yeah, no, it, it'd be terrifying actually to,
to see a Groudon in real life.
David Hernandez (15:10):
Now I want to ask, so what did you get a
chance to play the remakes?
Omega Ruby Alpha Sapphire
Mr. Zigzagoon (15:14):
Yeah, I did.
I, I thought they were wereexcellent overall.
I was gonna go to the midnightrelease at GameStop when it was
coming out, and then I guess, Iguess it hasn't been mentioned
yet here, but you know, I worknight shift and I have for the
past 15 years.
And I was like, oh man, youknow, I gotta go to work.
And I was like, I don't have anytime off or whatever, so I can't
go to that.
and then I realized I had like apersonal day where like, it was
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like one where I could just callit in and you know, there was
just like nothing held againstyou.
And as soon I was like literallybrushing my teeth, getting ready
to like leave for work.
And I was like, oh my gosh, youknow, I've, I've got that
personal day.
So I hit up my friends and I waslike.
Guys, I was like, get yourstuff, get ready.
I was like, we're going.
I was like, I don't have to goto work.
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So we, we went and got, uh,Pokemon, uh, Omega Ruby and
Alpha Sapphire and pretty muchplayed it all night.
So
David Hernandez (16:08):
I imagine you going, Hey, got, uh, Hey boss, I
got The Pokeball RS I'm notgonna be able to make it to work
today.
Mr. Zigzagoon (16:13):
yeah,
David Hernandez (16:13):
I'm at The Pokeball Center right now
though.
I'll give you an update if I canmake it tomorrow,
Mr. Zigzagoon (16:17):
yeah, no doubt.
David Hernandez (16:19):
but that's kind of cool though.
You like, thought was like, itwas like a last like 11th hour
kind of thing to where, hey, Ican actually go and see this.
And
Mr. Zigzagoon (16:26):
Yeah,
David Hernandez (16:26):
friends probably enjoyed that time.
Like what was that like to kindof be in that midnight release.
Mr. Zigzagoon (16:30):
it was cool.
Uh, I don't think I'd ever beento a midnight release of
anything before, and it wasn'tmassive or anything.
we're in a bit of a smallerarea, I think, as Clefa
mentioned.
But, yeah, it was just, it wascool to like go and get the
game, like at its very firstrelease and be able to just, you
know.
Played immediately.
And like I said, you know, Iplayed it all night and then of
course I continued to play itfor a few years, and, the games
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were amazing.
I felt like, the things thatthey changed with it compared to
the originals like, they werereally nice.
for example, the characters, Ifelt like the characters that
already existed, they gave a lotmore personality to, the
additional characters that theyadded I felt were like really
nice and natural.
You know, they felt.
Like they fit in the game well.
the additional content was nice,like the Delta episode.
That was pretty cool.
David Hernandez (17:12):
yeah.
I love that.
Yeah.
Mr. Zigzagoon (17:13):
Yeah, I mean, uh, just about everything about it.
I can't really find much of acomplaint about the games.
I you know, so some might sayit's a 7.8 outta 10 too much
water, you know.
But, uh,
David Hernandez (17:23):
know, shoot,
Mr. Zigzagoon (17:23):
I'd say I'd say 10 outta 10 for sure.
Easy.
David Hernandez (17:26):
they need get with that.
Hm.
O three man.
Mr. Zigzagoon (17:28):
Yeah, exactly.
David Hernandez (17:30):
I did.
Well, since you mentioned theDelta episode, I felt like it
was kind of for mejustification, because I was one
of those guys who believed inthe myth of Sootopolis city, or
not Sootopolis, Mossdeep City,the space station, where
Mr. Zigzagoon (17:40):
Yeah,
David Hernandez (17:41):
the rocket hit the hundred, you get to go see
Jirachi.
And I'm like, ah, I wish it wastrue.
But then I felt kind of like, Idon't know, scene.
At that point I'm like, oh mygosh, we actually get to go to
space and battle thees.
This is perfect.
Mr. Zigzagoon (17:52):
right.
It's honestly pretty sick.
David Hernandez (17:54):
Okay.
Well, I wanna shift gears backto you spreading the page
because again, we started in2015.
How did you guys learn along theway to run the page and what
kind of content to put on outthere for people to watch or
consume like how did thatrelationship evolve?
I guess
Mr. Zigzagoon (18:08):
So, I actually didn't start doing a whole lot
with the page until 2022.
like I said, the page wascreated back then and, you know,
it was kind of vacant for a longtime and I started to utilize it
later, but it was, happened tobe years later.
so.
I started off, in the, sort oftoward the end of 2022 with
getting really into the cardsagain, and I wanted to create
(18:30):
like Pokemon card content, andthat's kind of what I started
doing.
You know, I'd, I'd share somethings here and there.
I wasn't posting a whole lotthough, but it was kind of
difficult to like, make enoughPokemon card content to fill
each day, and I realized thatpretty quickly.
It's also very costly.
David Hernandez (18:47):
it gets a little pricey after a while,
Mr. Zigzagoon (18:48):
Yeah.
So, I started diversifying mycontent sometime last year.
I started adding in more thingslike I post like Pokemon art, I
post Pokemon memes.
I do like interactive posts now.
just fun stuff that people canrelate with and stuff that, you
know, like I, I feelcomfortable, you know, doing
within the space.
'cause not everything in ThePokeball franchise I'm
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comfortable with, like, doingcontent on, for example, like
the anime.
when I was growing up, we didn'treally have the channels that
had the anime, so my exposure toit was fairly limited.
You know, I, I gotta see like,the first movie in theaters.
Uh, I saw some episodes on likeVHS tapes that I had, But I I
didn't really get to watchthrough the anime.
You know, like a lot of peoplehave.
David Hernandez (19:28):
you talked about you were into the cards.
What brought you back into thatside of Pokemon?
'cause I know at first that'show it got started, but it
sounds like you took a break andthen came back with the cards at
that point.
Yeah,
Mr. Zigzagoon (19:37):
Yeah, so Ari had like a Pokemon card collection.
it was, you know, it was prettydecent.
And then, a friend of mine, heactually started working at the
local card shop here.
And slowly got me back into likethe cards again.
Especially because his boss wasalways trying to sell me Pokemon
cards.
He knew I was interested inthem.
So it was a pretty easy sell tome, you know, after I started
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looking through'em and stuff andI was like, yeah, why not?
You know?
So.
David Hernandez (20:03):
what does your collection consist of?
Are you trying to do like mastersets you, do you favorite
Pokemon?
Like what do you like to collectPokemon card wise?
Yeah.
Mr. Zigzagoon (20:09):
Yeah.
Unfortunately it's master sets.
David Hernandez (20:12):
my gosh.
You cel.
I'm sorry.
Mr. Zigzagoon (20:14):
Yeah, it is.
It is a painful process.
It's, it's fun and painful.
It's a, it's a job that neverends for sure.
David Hernandez (20:21):
I thought like that's Pokemon car collection in
a nutshell.
I feel
Mr. Zigzagoon (20:23):
Yeah.
Pretty, pretty much.
David Hernandez (20:26):
Do you have any particular favorite sets that
you, I guess, enjoy or hope tocomplete someday?
Mr. Zigzagoon (20:30):
I don't know.
I don't know that I have aparticular favorite set off the
top of my head.
I don't have many complete, tobe honest with you.
I am one reverse hollow awayfrom completing obsidian flames
from Scarlet and Violet.
David Hernandez (20:42):
okay.
So
Mr. Zigzagoon (20:42):
It's a Dugtrio that keeps eluding me and I
could just buy it on TCG playerif I want, but I wanna find it,
you know, so.
David Hernandez (20:49):
about the hunt that really appeals to a lot of
people.
Yeah,
Mr. Zigzagoon (20:51):
Yeah, exactly.
David Hernandez (20:53):
That's how it feel with me.
'cause for me, I decided to tryto do a master set of the gym
Heroes and Gym Challenges backin, you know, the classic set.
Mr. Zigzagoon (21:00):
Yeah.
David Hernandez (21:01):
it's just, it brought so much memories.
'cause I'd always loved thosecards.
I just loved the idea behindthem.
But then I'm to the point towhere.
I'm at the pricier side.
I'm like, oh my gosh, I don'tknow how I'm gonna ever afford
this.
This is like almost half myrent.
So
Mr. Zigzagoon (21:12):
Yeah.
Undoubtedly, especially ifyou're getting like first
edition and stuff and um, andyou start diving into like
shadowless and base set, it's.
David Hernandez (21:19):
not
Mr. Zigzagoon (21:19):
It's surreal.
David Hernandez (21:20):
doing shadowless first a edition.
I'm tempted that that doesappeal to me, but
Mr. Zigzagoon (21:24):
Yeah.
David Hernandez (21:25):
the idea of completing that.
So that's my kind of.
guess we'll call it whale Lord.
I'm trying to complete that.
Mr. Zigzagoon (21:31):
That is a whale order of a said.
David Hernandez (21:32):
of a set and so, but I kind of seal it'cause
it's like I wanna see it done.
Like I just, I never got achance to complete a set.
I've never done that.
That's the one that I have themost nostalgia for back in the
day.
I love the new cards, I love thedesigns.
It's just, I don't have as muchof appeal compared to those, so
I get it.
Mr. Zigzagoon (21:48):
Yeah, the nostalgia factor definitely
plays into that.
I mean, I still have a lot oflike vintage cards as well.
I don't have any complete setsof that yet, and I haven't
really started trying to tackleit.
If I find one that I know I'mmissing and it's not a horrible
price, you know, I might grab itor something.
But yeah,
David Hernandez (22:04):
Now, you also started, I don't know if this is
maybe around 2022, you startedyour own Facebook group with Mr.
Z, which is the Mr.
Pokemon station.
And what made you kind of wannastart that group?
Was it because you wanted, cameback to the page, or was it a
different reason?
So
Mr. Zigzagoon (22:17):
so that is actually the original group that
I was talking about from 2015.
It's just been converted.
Yeah.
Yep.
So it was originally calledPokemon Station.
That was the name that my friendactually gave it.
and then shortly after I startedgetting back into the page and,
you know, doing stuff with it, Idecided to, convert the group
because it just kind of laidvacant for a long time as well.
(22:38):
I'd say sometime in like 2017 itreally started to die off, and
it was partly because I wasn'treally contributing much to it
anymore.
a lot of the other adminsweren't really doing a whole lot
with it either, so.
It, it just kind of died off.
So I've converted it into, Mr.
Zigzagoon's Pokemon station andjust kind of repurposed it as
kind of a hangout to, supplementmy page.
David Hernandez (22:58):
how have you noticed a difference from
running the page to running thegroup?
Like what the different, Iguess, appeals to each one?
Mr. Zigzagoon (23:05):
so a lot of the content that goes on my page
does go to the group as well.
I feel like maybe the, currentlythe main appeal to be in the
group is to be able to shareyour own stuff If you're just a
member, so you have a place tolike.
be connected to Mr.
Zigzagoon in the page, you know,wise, but also be able to like,
share your, you know, cool artthat you found.
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Or maybe you pulled a cool cardtoday and you can share that, or
whatever.
David Hernandez (23:30):
So I wanna shift gears real quick, and I
wanna talk about Clefa doingstuff.
she's your uh, partner and, youknow, we had her on the podcast.
She shared her story and now youhear you are, and I kind of
wanted to know, what is it liketo kind of have who also does
Pokemon stuff?
Does it kind of overlap or doy'all kind of bounce ideas off
each other sometimes?
Mr. Zigzagoon (23:48):
Yeah.
we definitely bounce some ideasoff each other.
I feel like we do mostly do ourown stuff, but every now and
then, like if one of us isstruggling, you know, the other
knows it and kind of like try tobe supportive and, you know,
off.
Her ideas and stuff.
So I know for her, she,sometimes she kind of has to
wing it with her post.
She doesn't always have a wholelot, you know, scheduled ahead
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and it stresses her out reallybadly.
So, you know, if, if I can thinkof something, I'll be like, Hey,
what if we took a, a picturewith CLE foot doing this or
something, you know, or, Hey,let's take a walk.
Maybe we can find something coolto take pictures, you know, with
Cliff, you know, so,
David Hernandez (24:23):
It
Mr. Zigzagoon (24:23):
yeah.
David Hernandez (24:24):
kind of her support system when she, the
whole, she's kind of franticallyand kind of I'll say panicking.
Mr. Zigzagoon (24:29):
Yeah.
David Hernandez (24:30):
her grounded in a way.
Mr. Zigzagoon (24:31):
Yeah.
And she's mine too, becausewhile I don't really panic or
stress out in the same way, uh,I definitely get frustrated.
she's a very calm person, and Iam too, until I get frustrated.
And then I'm just, uh, I getvery irate sometimes, you know,
and I don't, I don't take it outon her, obviously, but I just, I
don't know.
I, I just kind of get.
In a bad head space, you know,but she definitely helps me a
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lot whenever, you know, I'm, I'mfeeling it.
David Hernandez (24:57):
We talked about this a little bit and I wanted
your insight on it.
You know, she supports you onwhat you're passionate about and
you know, she, she even admittedthat you're more of a Pokemon
fan or not Pokemon fan.
You know more about Pokemon thanshe does,
Mr. Zigzagoon (25:09):
Yeah.
David Hernandez (25:10):
to know what does it mean for you to have
that kind of support from apartner who may not have as much
history or experience with thefranchise, but chooses to kind
of engage with it because ofyou, if that makes sense.
Yeah,
Mr. Zigzagoon (25:21):
Yeah, it's, it's honestly huge because, I hear so
many stories of people that, noteven just Pokemon, just their
hobbies in general.
Their partner isn't supportiveof it, and it's kind of sad to
see, especially when it's ahobby that isn't hurting anybody
and.
you know, I mean, I canunderstand if you're like
dropping thousands of dollars onthe cards or something and
you're not able to pay yourbills, that's one thing.
But when someone's healthily,engaging in their hobbies and
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the partner's not supportive,it's kind of, it's sad to see.
So to have a partner like herwho's not only supportive of it,
but has also, dove into it withme, you know, has been really
nice.
It's been, uh, it's been fun.
David Hernandez (25:56):
And then what I loved about it, she also shared
how she helps you at doingvendor events.
Mr. Zigzagoon (26:00):
Yeah,
David Hernandez (26:00):
I wanted to know what made you start to want
to do those and how has yourexperience changed with her by
your side, kind of running thissmall business in a way.
Mr. Zigzagoon (26:08):
so we only started doing, vendor events
starting earlier this year.
yeah, there's a guy that I met,he's a, a local fellow, I met
him a couple years ago actually.
I bought a 3D print of his At afestival here in town we kind of
started chatting a little bitand stuff, and we wanted to kind
of do some business stuff, butit just didn't really come to
fruition at that time.
And then late last year, we gotin contact again and we started
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talking about it again and westarted formulating ideas and
goals and stuff.
And yeah, this year we've beengoing, you know, more into it.
he's got his, like his own LLCand everything for his 3D
printing business.
And he wanted to expand intoPokemon cards because that's a
big interest of his.
And obviously that's likesomething that I've specialized
in for at least the past fewyears now.
(26:52):
So I've been able to like, addthat portion to the business
and, been learning about like 3Dprinting stuff, which is really
cool.
I always thought it was reallycool.
so we've been doing a lot ofevents throughout the year.
Uh, our weekends have beenpretty busy.
It, Cleffa's been there prettymuch the whole time, you know,
helping me out whenever it'slike, not one that I'm not doing
with my business partner orwhatnot.
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So.
David Hernandez (27:14):
That's great.
And has your experience withPokemon been like going to these
events and being like a Pokemonvendor?
How's it different from youbeing a fan and just doing the
games and the cards?
Mr. Zigzagoon (27:23):
I'd say it's not too different because most
people that come to me andthey're interested in buying
anything Pokemon, whether it belike a 3D print or the cards,
they're usually willing to chatabout it a little bit because,
you know, they're obviouslyinterested in it and it helps a
lot.
I like going to like any socialevent where I know I can connect
to people on something so.
David Hernandez (27:43):
Now I wanted to ask, this is my last question
just with y'all two.
has there ever been kind of amoment or something with, it
comes to Pokemon that kind offeels just deeply just you two,
like this is just y'all's thing
Mr. Zigzagoon (27:53):
I guess she mentioned us playing the TCG
together.
Like she said, there's not manypeople around here to play with,
unfortunately.
So it was for a long time justkind of a thing with us.
You know, we'd be bored orsomething in the evening and I'd
be like, Hey, you wanna playsome Pokemon TCG?
And she'd say, sure.
You know, so we'd sit down atthe table and, and play a few
games, you know?
David Hernandez (28:13):
Oh, that sounds awesome.
It's like a date night in a way.
A
Mr. Zigzagoon (28:17):
Yeah, a little bit.
David Hernandez (28:17):
Yeah.
Well, Mr.
Zigzagoon, I wanna finish onthis last question if somebody
was to come battle to you, sixon six, what six Pokemon would
you choose?
Mr. Zigzagoon (28:27):
Oh, wow.
All right.
Dream Pokemon team.
That is, that's actually kind oftough.
I'd say, give me Venusaur,Garchomp, Zapdos., Let's go with
Rotom Wash.
Now change that to Rotom Heat.
Actually, the fire coverage,that's better.
David Hernandez (28:42):
Okay.
Mr. Zigzagoon (28:42):
and we will go with Mimkyu and Snorlax.
David Hernandez (28:46):
And Mr.
Zigzagoon, if they want to checkout your content, they wanna
check out your page, where canthey go?
By al means, please plug away.
Mr. Zigzagoon (28:51):
So, Facebook, Mr.
Zizagoon, just as you wouldthink it's spelled, Of course I
got the group, Mr.
Zigzagoon's Pokemon Station.
I also have an Instagram, whichisn't too active, but I hope to,
make that more active here inthe near future.
And I do also have a YouTubechannel, which same deal there,
not active so much at themoment, but something I hope to
(29:11):
bring back soon.
So also just called Mr.
Zigzagoon
David Hernandez (29:15):
Thank you for listening to As The Pokeball
Turns, if this story resonatedwith you, share the podcast with
the fellow trainer and don'tforget to follow us.
For more voices, more journeys,and more memories.
I'm David Hernandez, andremember, your next Pokemon
adventure begins here.
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