May 26, 2025 • 45 mins
Are you interested in Jewish creatives who are making exciting work in lush counter-cultural Australian landscapes? If you answered YES, then you’ve come to the right place. In this episode, Tami chats to dynamic & wildly creative artist Sara Yael about all of her crazy past (and present) lives, her EP “Live at the Knoll” and being part of the arts community post Oct 7.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Are you interested in Jewish creatives who are making
exciting work in lush,countercultural Australian
landscapes?
If you answered yes, thenyou've come to the right place.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I'm Dash Lawrence from the Jewish Independent and
in today's episode, your thirdcousin, tammy Sussman, will be
talking to an Australiansinger-songwriter, sustainable
interior designer and picklequeen.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Who knows if she'll be ashamed to admit anything.
It's season three of this TJIpodcast and we seem to be
dropping our shame a little bit.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Some of us more than others.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Come along for the ride, as we have a go at cutting
through some seriously chewy,dewy and muddy topics.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Welcome to this week's episode of A Shame to
Admit.
Hi, I'm Dash, Loves a bit ofnavy blue Lawrence.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Navy blue is the warmest colour and I'm Tammy
still wearing my C-sectionundies Sussman.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I am not even going to ask Tammy.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Okay, I'm going to tell you anyway, even going to
ask Tammy.
Okay, I'm going to tell youanyway.
So my youngest daughter isalmost three and a half and I
purchased some new underwearrecently and usually what
someone would do when theypurchase new undies is they
would get rid of old ones, and Idid.
I got rid of some which had nomore elastic, but I can't quite
(01:46):
let go of my C-section undies.
Do you know what I'm talkingabout, dash?
Do you know what C-sectionundies are?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I do.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
You're familiar High waist, roomy bamboo cotton soft.
Got holes in them, but there'sa certain comfort to it.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yep, he knows he doesn't want to talk more about
it.
People can criticise all theywant, but I don't want to
contribute to landfill.
I'm an eco-warrior.
That's what I am, and our guesttoday, dash, is also an
eco-warrior.
Amongst other things, her nameis Sarah Yael and, dear listener
(02:25):
, I want you to get the image ofC-section undies out of your
mind while we take you throughSarah's extensive biography.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
That's right, Tammy.
Sarah Yael is more than aneco-warrior she is a creative
force, an unapologetic, dynamic,wildly creative artist with a
music career spanning twodecades.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
From hip-hop to folk to salty blues to smoking
soul-pop ballads, there is nogenre this queen hasn't touched.
You may know her from frontingaward-winning nine-piece band
Rapscallion, which was anoutrageous ensemble that toured
the world for over a decade,causing riots and mayhem in
(03:12):
Spiegel tents, amphitheatres,under bridges in Melbourne.
Some of our listeners may haveeven seen them at Sheer Madness,
the Jewish music festival.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Or you may have heard Sarah Kroon at Splendour in the
Grass and Woodford FolkFestival with her
whiskey-drenched blues outfit,bonnie Love.
Her EP Live at the Knoll wasreleased under her name Sarah
Yell.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
When Sarah's not making music, she designs
sustainable, human-centric andbiophilic spaces, and if you
don't know what a biophilicspace is, we cover that in our
interview.
She's also a visual artist, anartisan.
She makes small batch fermentsand harvests wild foods in the
(03:59):
woods.
She sounds like a made-upperson Dash, but I can assure
you she's real.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
I'm looking forward to meeting her, Tammy, through
your interview.
Thanks for flying solo on thisone.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
And I hope you enjoy this week having me tammy
sussman sarah, in the intro totoday's episode, I introduced
(04:41):
you as a jewishie, gypsy andpickle priestess.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
What did I miss?
I don't know.
I wouldn't.
I don't know if I would say,priestess, like I feel like you
need to be much older and holier, but your pants have holes in
them, that's true, hey, nice,that's a good pickup, and they
do Someone's been listening toyour EP?
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yeah, amazing.
So you have a dog, a cheeky dog.
Do you identify as a dog mom,dog, sister or a dog hot nanny?
Speaker 4 (05:12):
yeah, I'm kind of going with the more dog hot
nanny, like people call me a dogmom and I and I just kind of
repel against it because I'mlike I didn't give birth to him,
I didn't breastfeed him, like Ireally respect moms, and I'm
like I didn't give birth to him,I didn't breastfeed him, like I
really respect moms, and I'mlike I don't think I have that.
Like someone even said happymother's day the other day and I
was like no, no, no, no, no,that's not my place.
(05:32):
So I'm kind of a dog guardianslash, trying to be
disciplinarian and not alwayssucceeding.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Failing Super important question.
Dash will be mad at me if Idon't ask this.
If someone made the technologywhich enabled you to breastfeed
your dog, would you do it?
Speaker 4 (05:52):
never.
Oh my god, that would be reallyfreaky of things.
So can we start?
Speaker 1 (05:58):
this interview with me, asking you who made you.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
You know, I think every baby is a miracle, so they
say.
But the reason I was born wasbecause of Roald Dahl and my
parents couldn't have babies.
Really they couldn't havebabies.
So my beautiful brother andsister are adopted from Brazil
because my dad really wantedkids.
And then one day my dad readRoald Dahl, the adult stories.
(06:42):
I don't know if you've read hisadult short stories.
They're amazing.
And there's one called RoyalJelly and he read that and it's
about a queen bee and it's akind of yeah, it's an amazing
story.
And he started feeding my momroyal jelly and then I popped
out is this are you for real?
Yeah, I'm for real.
So the only reason I'm born isbecause of royal dhal and royal
(07:03):
jelly.
What's royal jelly?
Royal jelly is what they feedthe queen bee to make the queen
bee.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
So it's like a natural.
It's not airplane jelly fromthe supermarket, it's like it
comes from a beehive.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Yeah, that's what differentiates the bee from the
queen bee.
I mean, I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
We don't have time to fact check, but our listeners
are fact checkers, so they cando that and they can get back to
us.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Yeah, so that's why my dad and then he wrote a
booklet and would then teachpeople about fertility all
around Australia and get them toeat royal jelly.
Oh, my God when is your dadfrom Glasgow in Scotland, so
he's third generation Scottish,and before that they're from
(07:48):
Latvia and Riga and Belarus.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Yeah, Belarus yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
Belarus yeah, I think it's Belarus.
I actually called them before.
I was like, let me get thisright.
But, yeah, belarus, yeah, butthey all left.
Yeah, they all died, but mydad's family, a few of them
escaped.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Which is classic Jewish origin story.
Yeah, and your mum?
Where's she from?
Speaker 4 (08:16):
She's born in Israel but grew up in Belgium, in the
Congo and then Brazil, and herfamily are like Spanish and
Baghdad, Wow, and Hebron my dadwas just saying like in the 15th
century they escaped Spain withthe synagogue doors on a donkey
(08:38):
, oh my God and walked to Israeland walked to Gaza and set up
the first synagogue there andthen moved to Hebron.
But they were in Gaza in the15th century.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Amazing.
How did your mom and dad meet.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
They met in Israel on the what is it called the gap
year.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Yeah, oh, they go on Ulpan where they learn Hebrew.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Yeah, my mom came from Brazil.
My dad didn't have anything todo with Jews but he kind of his
best friend got him on the tripand they met in Israel.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
I love that.
Also a common origin story.
A parent who's disconnectedfrom the Jewish community has
Jewish roots.
A friend's like let's go toIsrael, it's a wild time.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
And then they end up meeting the love of their lives
and, yeah, birthright workedyeah, that's right, worked well
if it weren't for birthright,you and your gifts would not be
here yeah, thank you birthright,except birthright has an age
limit and they won't let me goon a birthright trip we're gonna
have to do something about that.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
This podcast episode might be the start of a
changeorg.
That would be nice, yeah,anyway.
So your parents your dad, who'soriginally his family from
Belarus or Belarusia and ends upin Glasgow in Scotland, and
your mum, whose family areMiddle Eastern and Spanish and
(10:06):
who ends up in Brazil they meetin Israel, then they adopt some
children from Brazil, and thenyour mum has some royal jelly
honey which is not aeroplanejelly from the supermarket,
supermarket.
She conceives and has you.
(10:28):
Where?
What country?
Where were you born?
Speaker 4 (10:31):
well, australia, because my dad, they were like
the five pound poms, theirfamily.
So they came in the 60s to StKilda so he was already in
Australia and then my they met,fell in love.
My dad was like, can I haveyour hand in marriage to my
mum's dad?
And then she moved from Brazil.
She was like one of the firstBrazilians to move to Australia
(10:51):
in the 60s.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Where in Brazil was she living?
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Sao Paulo.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
And my mum's family is still there.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
So you were born in St Kilda, then I was born in.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Melbourne, in Melbourne, yeah, in Swanston
Street, like in the CBD.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Okay, can I have the exact address?
Speaker 4 (11:11):
It's the old QV, the Queen Victoria.
It's now a shopping centre.
Oh, okay, yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
And then, at some point, your family decides that
they don't want to live in thecity anymore.
Isn't that right?
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Yeah, they moved to Israel.
They moved us all to Israel,and then we lived in a
meditation village on a mountain.
We made Aliyah in Renana andthen moved to Halalit, which is
I say it wrong, because noIsraeli knows what I'm talking
about but it's a meditationvillage on a mountain and we
lived there for three years.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
And just for our non-Jewish listeners to make
Aliyah means to officially moveand set up your life in Israel,
and I'm pretty sure Aliyah meansto go up, right?
Yeah, I think so.
Yeah, I'm just doing a quickfact check.
Aliyah is the immigration ofjews from the diaspora to,
historically, the geographicalland of israel or the palestine
(12:08):
region, which is today chieflyrepresented by the state of
israel.
It's the hebrew word.
Aliyah means ascent or going upwhich is beautiful.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
It's a beautiful thing.
I only realized that recentlyand I was like it's beautiful.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Okay, so you live in this meditation village on a
mountain, yes, in a red tent,like, where are you?
Speaker 4 (12:32):
In like a shipping container.
It was very unglamorous.
We were all like four kids, twoparents squeezed into this like
shipping container, on likegravel, with scorpions.
I just remember there beinglots of scorpions, but then
olive orchards and crystals andrunes and yeah, we lived there.
(12:53):
We were very happy, like uskids, we had a great, great time
.
We didn't care about theshipping container, but it
really was a metal shippingcontainer.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
I believe you?
And then, at what point doesyour family decide to come back
to Australia?
Speaker 4 (13:07):
My dad hated the traffic and this was in the 90s,
so all his rallies are like, oh, you should see it now.
And he, yeah, packed us up andtook us back to Australia and
then we did live in a tent, okay, he hated the traffic of what
all the shipping containerscoming in and out of the
(13:27):
meditation village.
No, I don't know.
He told me later.
Yeah, he was just driving downone day in the traffic and he
couldn't handle it and theplastic like the rubbish and we
left, so you came back toAustralia and you're living in a
tent we left.
So you came back to Australiaand you're living in a tent in
(13:48):
what part of Australia?
In the Gold Coast, in mygrandma's backyard, yeah.
And then we moved to CrystalWaters.
It's this beautiful communitypermaculture village with
kangaroos and wallabieseverywhere because there's no
dogs or cats allowed.
And, yeah, we built a strawbale house.
It's beautiful.
Like I quit school because Ihad a bad haircut and and my
(14:09):
parents were like, okay, likewell, I refused to go to school.
It was like 14.
They're like, okay, well, youcan help us build the house,
because we were owner buildersand then my parents didn't know
how to build a house but we,somehow, we had woofers come
from all around the world.
You had what?
Speaker 1 (14:25):
To help us and-.
No, firstly, what is a Permiaculture village?
I'm ashamed to admit I knownothing.
Explain it to me, like you'remy bat mitzvah teacher.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
A permaculture village is well, I guess it
would say like an eco village,you know, and permaculture, the
way I describe it, is like planttomatoes next to basil, because
they help each other andthey're like a really nice,
they're harmonious and they helpeach other grow Permaculture.
It's like a whole system devisedby bill mollison and david
(15:00):
homegran and it's just a way ofgrowing and connecting with
nature and food in a reallyharmonious fashion.
I don't know if that's a gooddescription.
Well, my dad, who's apermaculture teacher, would say
no.
So Crystal Waters is kind oflike that, but it's not.
It's actually more like aretirement village, but it's a
(15:24):
famous permaculture village andeveryone builds their own houses
out of rammed earth and straw,bale and domes and mud and
timber.
Like it's quite beautiful, allthe houses there, houses there.
Yeah, it used to be a hippiecommunity where everyone was
naked.
Like we moved there just afterit stopped being a nudist
(15:45):
village.
What a missed opportunity.
Yeah, well, the swimming hole,like it had a sign that says
like you can only swim here ifyou're naked, like you can't
swim with clothes, and therewere lots of nudists and we were
a bit spun out as kids, butyeah, it was a kind of
alternative, very alternativeworld so you were telling me
(16:07):
about woofers yeah, so woofersare willing workers on organic
farms and I think now they callthem workaways and where it's
like travelers from all aroundthe world tell you their skills
and come and stay with you.
You feed them and give them aplace to sleep and they help you
on your organic farm usually.
(16:29):
So it was pretty cool.
We had people from all aroundthe world and they were usually
young and very good looking andyou were 14 with a bad haircut
and I was 14 with a bad haircut.
I was 14 with a terriblehaircut, and they would just
come and live with us and helpbuild our home.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
So you're living in a house in Crystal Waters which
you have helped your parentsbuild out of mud and straw, and
then at some point you decide toleave that life and make your
way to Melbourne.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
I wanted to be in the circus.
So I moved to Melbourne becausethere was a school for
delinquents but they had acircus, so I somehow convinced
to get into that school and,yeah, no one would give me a
home.
So I guess, yeah, in the houseinterviews I had to pretend I
was 18.
How old were you 16?
(17:20):
Because you know, and for sureI understand now, no one would
have wanted to live with me.
Yeah, I was still learning howto live, okay, yeah, so I lied
and got myself into a reallycool shed house in Richmond.
That was wild, it was just awild time and that was the
beginning of my other life.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Okay, yeah, is this your other life as a musician?
Speaker 4 (17:45):
Well, just like not with my parents other life.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Let's talk about this next phase of your life.
You meet someone.
I mean, do we want to give himcredit or not?
Speaker 4 (17:59):
Yeah, I think we give him credit.
Okay, I meet single when I was19 and he was like the king of
the vagabonds, I guess you knowan accordion player and he
played the celtic harp, which ispretty good.
I met him, we fell in love andthe next day he went to europe.
I gave him a crystal.
(18:19):
I gave him an actual crystal.
I was like I'll see you therein 40 days and got a job selling
credit cards for AmericanExpress and went and met him
after knowing him for like Idon't know a few, few hours, wow
, and met him in England andthen he took me to the forest
(18:40):
and we like lived in the forestand that's kind of where I
learned how to play music.
And, yeah, that's where Ilearned how to play music with
him.
Okay.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Hang on.
So you meet this man.
His name's Fingal Fingal Fingal.
You have known him for a fewhours and you say I'm going to
follow you to Europe.
I'll see you there in 40 days,which is quite biblical.
That's what I was thinking.
Yeah, do you reckon thatinspired?
Speaker 4 (19:09):
it?
No, because I didn't grow upwith the Torah at all Like we,
no, so it's inherent.
Maybe, or maybe it was Aladdinlike Aladdin, vibes like 40 days
, 40 nights, which is biblical,but I didn't grow up.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
I don't remember that in Aladdin, babe?
No, no, huh, I don't know.
Maybe there was a lot ofcontent consumed back then.
Okay, so you're in the forestand you're learning how to play
music.
What type of music?
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Well, like the tin whistle, lots of tin whistling,
and you know writing songs onthe guitar, because he would
busk like he was a busker.
That's how he made money and sosometimes he would let me busk
with him and that's kind ofwhere I started playing and
performing on the streets withhim.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Okay, and then you ended up traveling around the
world to festivals with him, andwhat, as part of a nine-piece
outfit, is that what you'd callyourself?
Speaker 4 (20:14):
yeah, I think like it grew and it's funny, like we
were playing klezmer music, butI didn't know that.
I didn't know about klezmermusic and I didn't know about
anything like that because wewere so secular with how we grew
up and I remember gettingbooked for what's the Sydney
Jewish festival.
I forgot what it was sheer?
(20:35):
madness, sheer madness.
And going there and playingthis klezmer music that I didn't
know was that and realizingthat this whole time I'd been
playing music from my roots, youknow, because we had like
clarinets and double bass andviolin and and accordions and
everything was like like barmitzvah music.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
We're playing bar mitzvah music without knowing,
wow yeah, it's okay to say no,but when you played klezmer
music did you kind of feelsomething?
Speaker 4 (21:09):
in your body a little bit.
That's why we played it,because I was so yeah, I mean
for me like clarinet and violin,like like when it wails, like
when it does that thing, it'sstill of course it sends shivers
in me.
Yeah, I was always magnetisedto that kind of music.
It's amazing.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
What about Ladino sounds or things from your?
Speaker 4 (21:32):
I love Ladino music and all the kind of cantoring
you know.
But only much later I realisedthat it connected to my roots
and there's such an urgency tokeep Ladino culture alive.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
It's a dying language .
Do you speak Ladino?
I don't, but my kids are aquarter Sephardi and their
family in Turkey speak Ladino,but only the older generations.
So it's really important to meto pass that on to them as well.
And whereas you know, there'skind of a revival of Yiddish in
(22:10):
the Australian Jewish community,ladino here not so much.
Maybe you're the missing pieceof the puzzle yeah, um, maybe I
listen to a lot of Ladino musicand my nor nor used to speak
Ladino, but my mom no youtraveled the world for 10 years
with Rapscallion and I'm sureyou were exposed to a
(22:33):
kaleidoscope of experiences, butanything you'd like to share
with our listeners, maybesomething funny, something maybe
you're ashamed to admit whileyou were on your travels, did
you ever kidnap anyone?
Speaker 4 (22:46):
ashamed to admit on our travels.
I mean, we were bohemians andwe were kind of hobos, I guess.
Like I wouldn't say I was ahobo, but the band, they were
hobos, so they were doing a lotof stuff that I am now a bit
ashamed of.
You know they were, they wereall larrikins, dumpster diving
(23:08):
or like, oh, lots of dumpsterdiving, but I'm not ashamed.
I'm not ashamed about dumpsterdiving, to be honest, I think
it's kind of saving the world abit, in a way food from landfill
, but I don't know.
I mean, we first started likethe band Under Bridges in
Melbourne when the bohemianscene began.
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The only venue that we played,or that you could play that kind
of music, was under theWestgarth Bridge, and so all
these people would gather andwe'd light a fire and play and
different bands would come and Ilearned how to sing on the
stage and on the street.
So I wasn't very good I don'tbelieve you, but no, no, really
(23:49):
like we learned on the job.
So there was a lot of reallyshonky gigs basically, and now I
think anyone can sing because Ilearn.
If I could learn, we can all doit right.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
I think what you were trying to tell me is that
during your travels, some bandmembers went to Coles and bought
some avocados, but put it onthe scales and said that they
were bananas.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
All the time, all the time actually, with cashew nuts
and mushrooms in mushroom bags.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
You know Cashew nuts in mushroom bags.
That is amazing.
Yeah, so you wrap up that partof your life and you come back.
You end up settling inMullumbimby, is that correct?
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
And you get into fermenting.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Yeah, eventually I get into fermenting after like
five or ten years.
Before that I was doing likecostume design and theater
design.
Eventually the fermentinghappens.
Maybe eight years ago and Istarted, yeah, homesteading and
I guess it's usually when peoplewould have babies.
But I didn't have babies, so Ijust was a housewife without a
(25:14):
husband or baby.
I had a niece and a reallybeautiful woofer who Marlon's
song on my EP is his song.
He rocked up to my door.
That was pretty good, so I hada fake husband for a bit.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Okay, and yeah, just foraging and fermenting and I
take a particular interest infermenting because I'm not sure
if you're aware that I come froma long line of piccolers.
I am pickle royalty, really.
My grandmother's grandmotherhad a pickle factory in
Marrickville, sydney, palata.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Pickles.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Yeah, what's it called?
It was called Palata Pickles.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Palata yeah, amazing, and they would do.
What kind of pickles, likepickled cucumbers?
Speaker 1 (26:00):
They started with onions.
My grandmother's grandmotherwould be peeling those onions in
her backyard, and then theymoved into pickled cucumbers.
What's your favorite thing to?
Speaker 4 (26:11):
pickle.
Wait, can I just ask about thepickled cucumbers?
Were they like Ezka?
Were they Jewish, Israeli, likespicy?
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Were they sweet?
I've never tried them because Iwasn't alive then, but I can
only assume that they would havebrought or used a recipe from
the Ukraine.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
Yeah, wow, that's so cool, Tammy, that's amazing.
Thank you, do you pickle?
Speaker 1 (26:36):
No, Okay, no.
I just cook my children beigefood which they don't eat, and
then I end up eating.
That's the kind of balabusta Iam.
So tell our listeners aboutwhat you do and all the vibrant
colours that you bring into yourhome and flavours.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
I pickle and ferment everything that I can find off
late.
I've been fermenting choco,which usually I I've never been
a choco person, but there's lotsin my garden, so and actually
if you ferment chocos they tastelike pickled cucumber wow I've
learned yeah which is cool.
What am I making?
I'm just making anything inseason, like kimchi and green
(27:19):
papaya, kimchi and sauerkrautand hot sauces in oak barrels.
Like I get whiskey oak barrelsfrom the local whiskey guy and
then use them to make all kindskinds of sauces, miso I just
ferment everything, like I'veactually made hats that say
(27:42):
ferment everything, and that'skind of my philosophy and thing,
because I feel like we allreally need it and we all really
need like good bacterias in ourguts and we've always, like
cultures, have always eatenfermented foods and pickled
foods.
But now in the westparticularly, we don't and I
think that's what we're reallycraving like often kids actually
(28:05):
, I wonder if your kids wouldeat sauerkraut, because all the
kids I feed sauerkraut they'rejust like eating so much of it
because we're craving thosebacterias, like we're used to
them, and we need them to behealthy and vibrant.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Wow, do you sell your produce?
Speaker 4 (28:24):
I sell a little small batch for men.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Where, how?
Speaker 4 (28:28):
On my Instagram and I've got a little shop online
and then in little boutiqueshops and I teach workshops and
then I kind of sell them at theworkshops and could our
listeners in different parts ofAustralia purchase it?
Speaker 1 (28:44):
do you do that?
Speaker 4 (28:45):
you ship, I do.
Sometimes they explode, butactually only like three times
out of a hundred.
Okay, and if it does, I replacethem thank you for that
disclaimer.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
So sorryiel, you've lived so many lives.
You're like a cat that keepsdying and coming back to life
and reinventing yourself.
That was a terrible analogy,I'm so sorry.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
No, I kind of like that.
No, I don't mind that at all.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Actually I will use that, and then, at some point,
you decide to add sustainable,human-centric and biophilic
interior design to your resume,were you?
Speaker 4 (29:21):
bored.
Well, that's a long story, butbasically I did.
I began anyway.
Maybe I shouldn't go into that,but it's like this thing, that
anyway, I like a not apsychedelic, but any oh no, that
is cool.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Yeah, okay, well, don't worry, another podcast.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
We're going to do one on psychedelics.
Okay, yeah, it's not apsychedelic, it's a bark from
Africa that people have forinitiation.
But I did that and woke up in avery ugly McMansion in Adelaide
and it was horrid and I lookedaround and went I need to fix
this and enrolled myself in RMITand started studying interior
(30:05):
design and came out of that andalso because I thought I should
get a real job because I wasworking in the theatre and music
and you don't get paid no canconfirm.
And music and you don't getreally, you don't get paid, no
can confirm.
So, um, yeah, and then I kindof, I guess I for me, design is
like everything and it's like anecosystem, and what am I trying
(30:30):
to say?
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Yeah, what is biophilic design Biophilic?
Speaker 4 (30:35):
design is mimicking nature, almost because nature is
the most perfect designer.
If you look at a flower oranything, you're just like it's
miraculous.
So biophilic design is humansmimicking nature, but in a way
that suits humans and naturealike and treads lightly on the
(30:57):
earth but also elevates thehuman experience.
That's how I see it, and usingnatural materials, using
non-toxic things and creatingbeautiful spaces that feel
really good.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
So if you're a listener and you live in the
Northern Rivers region, couldyou consult on spaces all around
Australia?
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Yes, I would love to.
Okay, yeah, I can.
Yeah, I make spaces beautiful,like my motto was designed to
elevate humanity.
And yeah, simple and beautiful.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Okay.
So if people want to reach outto Saria L to elevate their
space or for pickles or to justbuy some of your art or the
things that you make, we willleave Saria L's best contact
details not her address and herphone number, but maybe, like a
website, in the show notes.
Amazing, okay, thank you.
(31:53):
But we brought you here todayto talk about your latest ep,
recorded live at the knoll.
I'd really love to know what isthe knoll?
Yeah, it's.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
the knoll is a recording kind of community
studio in Mount Tambourine whichis, I think it's like on Knoll
Street.
And the reason it's called Lifeat the Knoll is because Nirvana
, I was inspired.
You know, they did MTVUnplugged, so I went with that
bit the Knoll and it's in MountTambourine, which is very
(32:31):
appropriate.
Yeah, and very beautiful MountTambourine.
It happened because I guesshe's a philanthropist and just
booked it in for me and went Ibooked you in a studio, so I
went and played the songs andthen they sounded nice so I
turned them into an EP.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Okay, so a philanthropist, which is
different to a philanderer, hewhat saw you perform and thought
you were so amazing that youhad to be recorded.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
He saw me perform, bought my ferments at the merch
desk.
He's an evangelical christian,so he particularly wants to
support jewish people.
Okay, classic, yeah, classic.
Didn't even know that was athing, but it is.
I've learned that this year too.
Yep, yeah, and saw that me andmy sister were kind of cancelled
(33:24):
from our arts communitiesbecause we didn't grow up with
Jews at all and startedsupporting us just like enough
to, yeah, book a studio and helpmake my art happen would you
feel comfortable talking moreabout your cancellation?
yeah, I mean for me it wasn't asbig as for my sister.
(33:46):
Like my sister got reallyterribly cancelled by who?
By her whole community.
She's a musician, she's anincredible musician and she was
like the darling of the indiescene in Australia, like her
career was doing really well andthen after October 7th she
shared a few things and said shewas like proudly Jewish and la
(34:09):
la la and her whole, like hergigs got cancelled because
people were scared to be in thesame room as her and all her
friends and community completelylike proper, ditched her,
ditched her.
Like and it happened again twoweeks ago with a venue in
melbourne and a venue inbrisbane and so she had to move
(34:32):
to america to continue hercareer.
But it's pretty, yeah, it'svery full on.
And for me, because I wasn't sopublic, like as in a public
figure, my friends for surecancelled.
Like I lost a lot of friends, alot.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
But it didn't impact my career so much because I
didn't have a public career,yeah, and so they cancelled you
just for being Jewish.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
No, like.
I think Gabriela and I wereboth publicly sharing things
that were happening sinceOctober 7th, but because it
wasn't the popular narrative orshowing another perspective,
people didn't like that.
And you know, I don't think itwas that we were posting such
like.
It wasn't like crazy things,but it was controversial because
(35:24):
it was.
It was a different narrative,you know, maybe about the
hostages or about the tunnels orthings like that.
It's very alienating, I thinkeven yesterday I met with a
person and kind of just tryingto explain what they don't see
in the news and it gets so itmakes me sound like a conspiracy
(35:46):
theorist, like I sound crazyand I'm.
I'm not crazy, but like newsthat I respect, respected, don't
publish other truths.
It's hard to convince people ormaybe there's just no point.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
I relate to everything you've said.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
But it's so full on, like I now know why Jews have
always stuck together, becauseit's like even yesterday, like
my best friends, they're notJewish and I told them I was
like you'll never understand.
Like you know, I talk to you 2%about this subject than what I
think about.
Like I'm thinking about it allthe time but I feel like you
(36:25):
don't want to hear what'sactually going on and so I don't
.
I just don't talk about it, butit makes you feel like you can
only talk to Jews about thisstuff, like it's so.
It becomes so insular, Do you?
Speaker 1 (36:39):
know what I mean.
I do know what you mean andalso I think what I've realised
recently is that there are moreallies than we realise, that
those alienating voices arethere and they're strong, but
they're a minority.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
But because we exist in the arts, it's a majority
yeah, even like talking to myfriend yesterday about this,
like he books all thesefestivals and we, I don't know
it got a bit heated, like he was, like I'm open, I'm, I want to
know, but then I would saythings and he wasn't.
He wasn't open and I was likevery aware I've like lost all
(37:19):
these potential festival gigsbecause I was trying to explain
to him about.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Hamas being a terrorist organisation.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
Yeah.
And then I'm like maybe Ishouldn't talk about, like my
friends, like don't tell peopleyou're a Zionist, just don't,
because they think you're a Nazi.
But I'm like, but do we juststop saying this word because
people have changed the word?
It's like saying stop sayingyou're Brazilian because people
don't like Brazilians, or are wemeant to educate?
(37:50):
It's like.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
No, let us decide what that word means.
It's our word.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
Yeah, and educate people rather than bowing down
to like what they've changed itto.
Yeah, you know it's so tricky.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
It really is, and I think what you're saying will
resonate with a lot of peoplelistening to this podcast.
So thank you for giving voiceto a feeling that a lot of
people have been holding ontoand not necessarily been able to
express.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
Well, thanks for giving me a platform to express,
of course, you're doing God'swork.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
In.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Mullumbimby.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
In Mullumbimby, which is God's country.
I mean we've got MountJerusalem down the road.
We have the beach, which islike every day, I'm like this is
God, Like God's, at the beachevery morning.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
I swear you also have the Yemenite Israeli food
outlet there.
What's it called Yemen's oh?
Speaker 4 (38:54):
well, good branding and then we have Yammy's.
We're like we have so manyIsraelis Like I'm learning
Hebrew lessons every week here.
There's an amazing IsraeliJewish community here, which is
really cool.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
There is.
I'm polishing for the greentahini from Yemen's.
Speaker 4 (39:15):
Oh is it?
This Is that srug.
Wait, what's it?
Speaker 1 (39:18):
No, I don't know what it's called, but I think about
it too often.
I think, I need to come andvisit.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
Yeah, come and visit Tammy.
Please be my guest.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Is that an open invitation to all of our
listeners?
Saria L.
Before we wrap up thisinterview, I do need to ask you
if there's anything that you'reashamed to admit in general, or
do you not experience shame?
Speaker 4 (39:45):
well, my father did a very good job of embarrassing
us my whole upbringing so Istopped feeling shame like quite
young because he really like hewould rock up and pick us up
from school covered in likegreen clay, you know, and just
do really crazy things thatwould embarrass the hell out of
(40:06):
me.
So I think that was actuallygood like formative wow to make
me not as embarrassed.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
So then, let me put it this way what's your
relationship like with shame?
You are a Jewish woman.
I mean, you're many things, butyou're also a Jewish woman, and
in my experience, jewish womenhave quite an unhealthy
relationship with shame.
We like to ruminate and makeourselves feel bad for the
things that we've done.
Does that resonate with you atall, or do you think she's
(40:35):
shaking her head?
Good, set an example.
Speaker 4 (40:38):
I wonder if that's because I grew up outside of the
Jewish community, withoutJewish schools, without because,
yeah, do you have guilt?
Like is there a guilt shamething from the religion of
Judaism?
Like is that a thing likeChristians with Hard to know
where?
Speaker 1 (40:54):
it stems from.
I just feel bad about stuff allthe time.
I'm like oh, I feel bad.
I shouldn't have said thatthing when I was eight years old
.
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (41:05):
I was heartbroken for eight years with a man that
didn't love me.
That was.
I don't know if that's shame,but that's more regret.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
It's shame adjacent, it'll do.
Okay, okay, okay.
On that note, if you, dearlistener, would like to
experience some of thatheartbreak and healing, then
please give Saria L's EP,recorded live at the Knoll, a
listen.
Give all of her songs onSpotify.
(41:35):
Some love and follow her on allthe socials.
We'll leave her details in theshow notes.
Saria L, thank you so much forjoining me on A Shame to Admit.
You've been an absolutepleasure.
Speaker 4 (41:47):
Thank you, tammy, and I'm such a big fan really.
I've read everything you'vewritten, I listen to all your
podcasts and I tell everyoneabout you, so it really is an
honour to be on your podcast.
Thank you.
We'll speak soon, okay, thankyou, tammy.
Bye.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
That was Saria L, and here's her song Big Dreams from
her EP Live at the Knoll, whichyou can now stream on Spotify
gonna do.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
Want the prestige, want the Grammys, want the big
(42:39):
house with French and pennies,just like all those rock stars
in the Hollywood hills.
So please don't let me stuff itup this time.
Got a whole lot to give and I'mgonna go go get it.
(43:03):
Yeah, I won't stop.
I won't quit, give up trying.
Got a whole lot to give and I'mgonna go go get it.
Want the bright lights, my namein headlines.
(43:23):
Give me the billboards.
I want the prime time.
Fake it till you make it.
Oh, you'll see me, I swear.
Yeah, I'm hungry, I'm ready, Igot this.
I'm deadly.
It's this time, it's the lasttime, so it's my time to make it
(43:51):
right.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
So please don't let me stop it.
And after you listen to Sarah'sEP, go ahead and book your
tickets to Le Mood live inMelbourne.
We're recording this podcastlive and you can be in the
audience.
Do you live in another state?
Might also be prudent to bookyour flights as well.
Okay, plug it with the plugs,Tammy.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
That's it for this week.
You've been listening to AShame to Admit with me, Dash
Lawrence.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
And me Dash Lawrence, and me Tammy Sussman.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
This episode was mixed and edited by Nick King,
with theme music by DonovanJenks.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
If you like the podcast, share it with a mate.
Tell them it's even moreenjoyable than getting into a
fresh pair of oversizedunderwear.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
As always, thanks for your support and look out for
us next week.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
So please don't let me stuff it up this time.
I got a whole lot to give andI'm gonna go go get it.
Yeah, I won't stop, I won'tquit, give up.
I'm trying, got a whole lot togive and I'm gonna go go get it.
(45:08):
Yeah, please don't let me stopit all this time.
I got a whole lot to give andI'm gonna go go get it.
Yeah, I won't stop, I won'tquit, give up.
I try.
Got a whole lot to give and I'mready.
Are you interested in Jewish creatives who are making
exciting work in lush,countercultural Australian
landscapes?
If you answered yes, thenyou've come to the right place.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I'm Dash Lawrence from the Jewish Independent and
in today's episode, your thirdcousin, tammy Sussman, will be
talking to an Australiansinger-songwriter, sustainable
interior designer and picklequeen.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Who knows if she'll be ashamed to admit anything.
It's season three of this TJIpodcast and we seem to be
dropping our shame a little bit.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Some of us more than others.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Come along for the ride, as we have a go at cutting
through some seriously chewy,dewy and muddy topics.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Welcome to this week's episode of A Shame to
Admit.
Hi, I'm Dash, Loves a bit ofnavy blue Lawrence.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Navy blue is the warmest colour and I'm Tammy
still wearing my C-sectionundies Sussman.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I am not even going to ask Tammy.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Okay, I'm going to tell you anyway, even going to
ask Tammy.
Okay, I'm going to tell youanyway.
So my youngest daughter isalmost three and a half and I
purchased some new underwearrecently and usually what
someone would do when theypurchase new undies is they
would get rid of old ones, and Idid.
I got rid of some which had nomore elastic, but I can't quite
(01:46):
let go of my C-section undies.
Do you know what I'm talkingabout, dash?
Do you know what C-sectionundies are?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I do.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
You're familiar High waist, roomy bamboo cotton soft.
Got holes in them, but there'sa certain comfort to it.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yep, he knows he doesn't want to talk more about
it.
People can criticise all theywant, but I don't want to
contribute to landfill.
I'm an eco-warrior.
That's what I am, and our guesttoday, dash, is also an
eco-warrior.
Amongst other things, her nameis Sarah Yael and, dear listener
(02:25):
, I want you to get the image ofC-section undies out of your
mind while we take you throughSarah's extensive biography.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
That's right, Tammy.
Sarah Yael is more than aneco-warrior she is a creative
force, an unapologetic, dynamic,wildly creative artist with a
music career spanning twodecades.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
From hip-hop to folk to salty blues to smoking
soul-pop ballads, there is nogenre this queen hasn't touched.
You may know her from frontingaward-winning nine-piece band
Rapscallion, which was anoutrageous ensemble that toured
the world for over a decade,causing riots and mayhem in
(03:12):
Spiegel tents, amphitheatres,under bridges in Melbourne.
Some of our listeners may haveeven seen them at Sheer Madness,
the Jewish music festival.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Or you may have heard Sarah Kroon at Splendour in the
Grass and Woodford FolkFestival with her
whiskey-drenched blues outfit,bonnie Love.
Her EP Live at the Knoll wasreleased under her name Sarah
Yell.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
When Sarah's not making music, she designs
sustainable, human-centric andbiophilic spaces, and if you
don't know what a biophilicspace is, we cover that in our
interview.
She's also a visual artist, anartisan.
She makes small batch fermentsand harvests wild foods in the
(03:59):
woods.
She sounds like a made-upperson Dash, but I can assure
you she's real.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
I'm looking forward to meeting her, Tammy, through
your interview.
Thanks for flying solo on thisone.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
And I hope you enjoy this week having me tammy
sussman sarah, in the intro totoday's episode, I introduced
(04:41):
you as a jewishie, gypsy andpickle priestess.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
What did I miss?
I don't know.
I wouldn't.
I don't know if I would say,priestess, like I feel like you
need to be much older and holier, but your pants have holes in
them, that's true, hey, nice,that's a good pickup, and they
do Someone's been listening toyour EP?
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yeah, amazing.
So you have a dog, a cheeky dog.
Do you identify as a dog mom,dog, sister or a dog hot nanny?
Speaker 4 (05:12):
yeah, I'm kind of going with the more dog hot
nanny, like people call me a dogmom and I and I just kind of
repel against it because I'mlike I didn't give birth to him,
I didn't breastfeed him, like Ireally respect moms, and I'm
like I didn't give birth to him,I didn't breastfeed him, like I
really respect moms, and I'mlike I don't think I have that.
Like someone even said happymother's day the other day and I
was like no, no, no, no, no,that's not my place.
(05:32):
So I'm kind of a dog guardianslash, trying to be
disciplinarian and not alwayssucceeding.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Failing Super important question.
Dash will be mad at me if Idon't ask this.
If someone made the technologywhich enabled you to breastfeed
your dog, would you do it?
Speaker 4 (05:52):
never.
Oh my god, that would be reallyfreaky of things.
So can we start?
Speaker 1 (05:58):
this interview with me, asking you who made you.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
You know, I think every baby is a miracle, so they
say.
But the reason I was born wasbecause of Roald Dahl and my
parents couldn't have babies.
Really they couldn't havebabies.
So my beautiful brother andsister are adopted from Brazil
because my dad really wantedkids.
And then one day my dad readRoald Dahl, the adult stories.
(06:42):
I don't know if you've read hisadult short stories.
They're amazing.
And there's one called RoyalJelly and he read that and it's
about a queen bee and it's akind of yeah, it's an amazing
story.
And he started feeding my momroyal jelly and then I popped
out is this are you for real?
Yeah, I'm for real.
So the only reason I'm born isbecause of royal dhal and royal
(07:03):
jelly.
What's royal jelly?
Royal jelly is what they feedthe queen bee to make the queen
bee.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
So it's like a natural.
It's not airplane jelly fromthe supermarket, it's like it
comes from a beehive.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Yeah, that's what differentiates the bee from the
queen bee.
I mean, I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
We don't have time to fact check, but our listeners
are fact checkers, so they cando that and they can get back to
us.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Yeah, so that's why my dad and then he wrote a
booklet and would then teachpeople about fertility all
around Australia and get them toeat royal jelly.
Oh, my God when is your dadfrom Glasgow in Scotland, so
he's third generation Scottish,and before that they're from
(07:48):
Latvia and Riga and Belarus.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Yeah, Belarus yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
Belarus yeah, I think it's Belarus.
I actually called them before.
I was like, let me get thisright.
But, yeah, belarus, yeah, butthey all left.
Yeah, they all died, but mydad's family, a few of them
escaped.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Which is classic Jewish origin story.
Yeah, and your mum?
Where's she from?
Speaker 4 (08:16):
She's born in Israel but grew up in Belgium, in the
Congo and then Brazil, and herfamily are like Spanish and
Baghdad, Wow, and Hebron my dadwas just saying like in the 15th
century they escaped Spain withthe synagogue doors on a donkey
(08:38):
, oh my God and walked to Israeland walked to Gaza and set up
the first synagogue there andthen moved to Hebron.
But they were in Gaza in the15th century.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Amazing.
How did your mom and dad meet.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
They met in Israel on the what is it called the gap
year.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Yeah, oh, they go on Ulpan where they learn Hebrew.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Yeah, my mom came from Brazil.
My dad didn't have anything todo with Jews but he kind of his
best friend got him on the tripand they met in Israel.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
I love that.
Also a common origin story.
A parent who's disconnectedfrom the Jewish community has
Jewish roots.
A friend's like let's go toIsrael, it's a wild time.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
And then they end up meeting the love of their lives
and, yeah, birthright workedyeah, that's right, worked well
if it weren't for birthright,you and your gifts would not be
here yeah, thank you birthright,except birthright has an age
limit and they won't let me goon a birthright trip we're gonna
have to do something about that.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
This podcast episode might be the start of a
changeorg.
That would be nice, yeah,anyway.
So your parents your dad, who'soriginally his family from
Belarus or Belarusia and ends upin Glasgow in Scotland, and
your mum, whose family areMiddle Eastern and Spanish and
(10:06):
who ends up in Brazil they meetin Israel, then they adopt some
children from Brazil, and thenyour mum has some royal jelly
honey which is not aeroplanejelly from the supermarket,
supermarket.
She conceives and has you.
(10:28):
Where?
What country?
Where were you born?
Speaker 4 (10:31):
well, australia, because my dad, they were like
the five pound poms, theirfamily.
So they came in the 60s to StKilda so he was already in
Australia and then my they met,fell in love.
My dad was like, can I haveyour hand in marriage to my
mum's dad?
And then she moved from Brazil.
She was like one of the firstBrazilians to move to Australia
(10:51):
in the 60s.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Where in Brazil was she living?
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Sao Paulo.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
And my mum's family is still there.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
So you were born in St Kilda, then I was born in.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Melbourne, in Melbourne, yeah, in Swanston
Street, like in the CBD.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Okay, can I have the exact address?
Speaker 4 (11:11):
It's the old QV, the Queen Victoria.
It's now a shopping centre.
Oh, okay, yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
And then, at some point, your family decides that
they don't want to live in thecity anymore.
Isn't that right?
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Yeah, they moved to Israel.
They moved us all to Israel,and then we lived in a
meditation village on a mountain.
We made Aliyah in Renana andthen moved to Halalit, which is
I say it wrong, because noIsraeli knows what I'm talking
about but it's a meditationvillage on a mountain and we
lived there for three years.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
And just for our non-Jewish listeners to make
Aliyah means to officially moveand set up your life in Israel,
and I'm pretty sure Aliyah meansto go up, right?
Yeah, I think so.
Yeah, I'm just doing a quickfact check.
Aliyah is the immigration ofjews from the diaspora to,
historically, the geographicalland of israel or the palestine
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region, which is today chieflyrepresented by the state of
israel.
It's the hebrew word.
Aliyah means ascent or going upwhich is beautiful.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
It's a beautiful thing.
I only realized that recentlyand I was like it's beautiful.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Okay, so you live in this meditation village on a
mountain, yes, in a red tent,like, where are you?
Speaker 4 (12:32):
In like a shipping container.
It was very unglamorous.
We were all like four kids, twoparents squeezed into this like
shipping container, on likegravel, with scorpions.
I just remember there beinglots of scorpions, but then
olive orchards and crystals andrunes and yeah, we lived there.
(12:53):
We were very happy, like uskids, we had a great, great time
.
We didn't care about theshipping container, but it
really was a metal shippingcontainer.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
I believe you?
And then, at what point doesyour family decide to come back
to Australia?
Speaker 4 (13:07):
My dad hated the traffic and this was in the 90s,
so all his rallies are like, oh, you should see it now.
And he, yeah, packed us up andtook us back to Australia and
then we did live in a tent, okay, he hated the traffic of what
all the shipping containerscoming in and out of the
(13:27):
meditation village.
No, I don't know.
He told me later.
Yeah, he was just driving downone day in the traffic and he
couldn't handle it and theplastic like the rubbish and we
left, so you came back toAustralia and you're living in a
tent we left.
So you came back to Australiaand you're living in a tent in
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what part of Australia?
In the Gold Coast, in mygrandma's backyard, yeah.
And then we moved to CrystalWaters.
It's this beautiful communitypermaculture village with
kangaroos and wallabieseverywhere because there's no
dogs or cats allowed.
And, yeah, we built a strawbale house.
It's beautiful.
Like I quit school because Ihad a bad haircut and and my
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parents were like, okay, likewell, I refused to go to school.
It was like 14.
They're like, okay, well, youcan help us build the house,
because we were owner buildersand then my parents didn't know
how to build a house but we,somehow, we had woofers come
from all around the world.
You had what?
Speaker 1 (14:25):
To help us and-.
No, firstly, what is a Permiaculture village?
I'm ashamed to admit I knownothing.
Explain it to me, like you'remy bat mitzvah teacher.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
A permaculture village is well, I guess it
would say like an eco village,you know, and permaculture, the
way I describe it, is like planttomatoes next to basil, because
they help each other andthey're like a really nice,
they're harmonious and they helpeach other grow Permaculture.
It's like a whole system devisedby bill mollison and david
(15:00):
homegran and it's just a way ofgrowing and connecting with
nature and food in a reallyharmonious fashion.
I don't know if that's a gooddescription.
Well, my dad, who's apermaculture teacher, would say
no.
So Crystal Waters is kind oflike that, but it's not.
It's actually more like aretirement village, but it's a
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famous permaculture village andeveryone builds their own houses
out of rammed earth and straw,bale and domes and mud and
timber.
Like it's quite beautiful, allthe houses there, houses there.
Yeah, it used to be a hippiecommunity where everyone was
naked.
Like we moved there just afterit stopped being a nudist
(15:45):
village.
What a missed opportunity.
Yeah, well, the swimming hole,like it had a sign that says
like you can only swim here ifyou're naked, like you can't
swim with clothes, and therewere lots of nudists and we were
a bit spun out as kids, butyeah, it was a kind of
alternative, very alternativeworld so you were telling me
(16:07):
about woofers yeah, so woofersare willing workers on organic
farms and I think now they callthem workaways and where it's
like travelers from all aroundthe world tell you their skills
and come and stay with you.
You feed them and give them aplace to sleep and they help you
on your organic farm usually.
(16:29):
So it was pretty cool.
We had people from all aroundthe world and they were usually
young and very good looking andyou were 14 with a bad haircut
and I was 14 with a bad haircut.
I was 14 with a terriblehaircut, and they would just
come and live with us and helpbuild our home.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
So you're living in a house in Crystal Waters which
you have helped your parentsbuild out of mud and straw, and
then at some point you decide toleave that life and make your
way to Melbourne.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
I wanted to be in the circus.
So I moved to Melbourne becausethere was a school for
delinquents but they had acircus, so I somehow convinced
to get into that school and,yeah, no one would give me a
home.
So I guess, yeah, in the houseinterviews I had to pretend I
was 18.
How old were you 16?
(17:20):
Because you know, and for sureI understand now, no one would
have wanted to live with me.
Yeah, I was still learning howto live, okay, yeah, so I lied
and got myself into a reallycool shed house in Richmond.
That was wild, it was just awild time and that was the
beginning of my other life.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Okay, yeah, is this your other life as a musician?
Speaker 4 (17:45):
Well, just like not with my parents other life.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Let's talk about this next phase of your life.
You meet someone.
I mean, do we want to give himcredit or not?
Speaker 4 (17:59):
Yeah, I think we give him credit.
Okay, I meet single when I was19 and he was like the king of
the vagabonds, I guess you knowan accordion player and he
played the celtic harp, which ispretty good.
I met him, we fell in love andthe next day he went to europe.
I gave him a crystal.
(18:19):
I gave him an actual crystal.
I was like I'll see you therein 40 days and got a job selling
credit cards for AmericanExpress and went and met him
after knowing him for like Idon't know a few, few hours, wow
, and met him in England andthen he took me to the forest
(18:40):
and we like lived in the forestand that's kind of where I
learned how to play music.
And, yeah, that's where Ilearned how to play music with
him.
Okay.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Hang on.
So you meet this man.
His name's Fingal Fingal Fingal.
You have known him for a fewhours and you say I'm going to
follow you to Europe.
I'll see you there in 40 days,which is quite biblical.
That's what I was thinking.
Yeah, do you reckon thatinspired?
Speaker 4 (19:09):
it?
No, because I didn't grow upwith the Torah at all Like we,
no, so it's inherent.
Maybe, or maybe it was Aladdinlike Aladdin, vibes like 40 days
, 40 nights, which is biblical,but I didn't grow up.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
I don't remember that in Aladdin, babe?
No, no, huh, I don't know.
Maybe there was a lot ofcontent consumed back then.
Okay, so you're in the forestand you're learning how to play
music.
What type of music?
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Well, like the tin whistle, lots of tin whistling,
and you know writing songs onthe guitar, because he would
busk like he was a busker.
That's how he made money and sosometimes he would let me busk
with him and that's kind ofwhere I started playing and
performing on the streets withhim.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Okay, and then you ended up traveling around the
world to festivals with him, andwhat, as part of a nine-piece
outfit, is that what you'd callyourself?
Speaker 4 (20:14):
yeah, I think like it grew and it's funny, like we
were playing klezmer music, butI didn't know that.
I didn't know about klezmermusic and I didn't know about
anything like that because wewere so secular with how we grew
up and I remember gettingbooked for what's the Sydney
Jewish festival.
I forgot what it was sheer?
(20:35):
madness, sheer madness.
And going there and playingthis klezmer music that I didn't
know was that and realizingthat this whole time I'd been
playing music from my roots, youknow, because we had like
clarinets and double bass andviolin and and accordions and
everything was like like barmitzvah music.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
We're playing bar mitzvah music without knowing,
wow yeah, it's okay to say no,but when you played klezmer
music did you kind of feelsomething?
Speaker 4 (21:09):
in your body a little bit.
That's why we played it,because I was so yeah, I mean
for me like clarinet and violin,like like when it wails, like
when it does that thing, it'sstill of course it sends shivers
in me.
Yeah, I was always magnetisedto that kind of music.
It's amazing.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
What about Ladino sounds or things from your?
Speaker 4 (21:32):
I love Ladino music and all the kind of cantoring
you know.
But only much later I realisedthat it connected to my roots
and there's such an urgency tokeep Ladino culture alive.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
It's a dying language .
Do you speak Ladino?
I don't, but my kids are aquarter Sephardi and their
family in Turkey speak Ladino,but only the older generations.
So it's really important to meto pass that on to them as well.
And whereas you know, there'skind of a revival of Yiddish in
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the Australian Jewish community,ladino here not so much.
Maybe you're the missing pieceof the puzzle yeah, um, maybe I
listen to a lot of Ladino musicand my nor nor used to speak
Ladino, but my mom no youtraveled the world for 10 years
with Rapscallion and I'm sureyou were exposed to a
(22:33):
kaleidoscope of experiences, butanything you'd like to share
with our listeners, maybesomething funny, something maybe
you're ashamed to admit whileyou were on your travels, did
you ever kidnap anyone?
Speaker 4 (22:46):
ashamed to admit on our travels.
I mean, we were bohemians andwe were kind of hobos, I guess.
Like I wouldn't say I was ahobo, but the band, they were
hobos, so they were doing a lotof stuff that I am now a bit
ashamed of.
You know they were, they wereall larrikins, dumpster diving
(23:08):
or like, oh, lots of dumpsterdiving, but I'm not ashamed.
I'm not ashamed about dumpsterdiving, to be honest, I think
it's kind of saving the world abit, in a way food from landfill
, but I don't know.
I mean, we first started likethe band Under Bridges in
Melbourne when the bohemianscene began.
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The only venue that we played,or that you could play that kind
of music, was under theWestgarth Bridge, and so all
these people would gather andwe'd light a fire and play and
different bands would come and Ilearned how to sing on the
stage and on the street.
So I wasn't very good I don'tbelieve you, but no, no, really
(23:49):
like we learned on the job.
So there was a lot of reallyshonky gigs basically, and now I
think anyone can sing because Ilearn.
If I could learn, we can all doit right.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
I think what you were trying to tell me is that
during your travels, some bandmembers went to Coles and bought
some avocados, but put it onthe scales and said that they
were bananas.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
All the time, all the time actually, with cashew nuts
and mushrooms in mushroom bags.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
You know Cashew nuts in mushroom bags.
That is amazing.
Yeah, so you wrap up that partof your life and you come back.
You end up settling inMullumbimby, is that correct?
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
And you get into fermenting.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Yeah, eventually I get into fermenting after like
five or ten years.
Before that I was doing likecostume design and theater
design.
Eventually the fermentinghappens.
Maybe eight years ago and Istarted, yeah, homesteading and
I guess it's usually when peoplewould have babies.
But I didn't have babies, so Ijust was a housewife without a
(25:14):
husband or baby.
I had a niece and a reallybeautiful woofer who Marlon's
song on my EP is his song.
He rocked up to my door.
That was pretty good, so I hada fake husband for a bit.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Okay, and yeah, just foraging and fermenting and I
take a particular interest infermenting because I'm not sure
if you're aware that I come froma long line of piccolers.
I am pickle royalty, really.
My grandmother's grandmotherhad a pickle factory in
Marrickville, sydney, palata.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Pickles.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Yeah, what's it called?
It was called Palata Pickles.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Palata yeah, amazing, and they would do.
What kind of pickles, likepickled cucumbers?
Speaker 1 (26:00):
They started with onions.
My grandmother's grandmotherwould be peeling those onions in
her backyard, and then theymoved into pickled cucumbers.
What's your favorite thing to?
Speaker 4 (26:11):
pickle.
Wait, can I just ask about thepickled cucumbers?
Were they like Ezka?
Were they Jewish, Israeli, likespicy?
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Were they sweet?
I've never tried them because Iwasn't alive then, but I can
only assume that they would havebrought or used a recipe from
the Ukraine.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
Yeah, wow, that's so cool, Tammy, that's amazing.
Thank you, do you pickle?
Speaker 1 (26:36):
No, Okay, no.
I just cook my children beigefood which they don't eat, and
then I end up eating.
That's the kind of balabusta Iam.
So tell our listeners aboutwhat you do and all the vibrant
colours that you bring into yourhome and flavours.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
I pickle and ferment everything that I can find off
late.
I've been fermenting choco,which usually I I've never been
a choco person, but there's lotsin my garden, so and actually
if you ferment chocos they tastelike pickled cucumber wow I've
learned yeah which is cool.
What am I making?
I'm just making anything inseason, like kimchi and green
(27:19):
papaya, kimchi and sauerkrautand hot sauces in oak barrels.
Like I get whiskey oak barrelsfrom the local whiskey guy and
then use them to make all kindskinds of sauces, miso I just
ferment everything, like I'veactually made hats that say
(27:42):
ferment everything, and that'skind of my philosophy and thing,
because I feel like we allreally need it and we all really
need like good bacterias in ourguts and we've always, like
cultures, have always eatenfermented foods and pickled
foods.
But now in the westparticularly, we don't and I
think that's what we're reallycraving like often kids actually
(28:05):
, I wonder if your kids wouldeat sauerkraut, because all the
kids I feed sauerkraut they'rejust like eating so much of it
because we're craving thosebacterias, like we're used to
them, and we need them to behealthy and vibrant.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Wow, do you sell your produce?
Speaker 4 (28:24):
I sell a little small batch for men.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Where, how?
Speaker 4 (28:28):
On my Instagram and I've got a little shop online
and then in little boutiqueshops and I teach workshops and
then I kind of sell them at theworkshops and could our
listeners in different parts ofAustralia purchase it?
Speaker 1 (28:44):
do you do that?
Speaker 4 (28:45):
you ship, I do.
Sometimes they explode, butactually only like three times
out of a hundred.
Okay, and if it does, I replacethem thank you for that
disclaimer.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
So sorryiel, you've lived so many lives.
You're like a cat that keepsdying and coming back to life
and reinventing yourself.
That was a terrible analogy,I'm so sorry.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
No, I kind of like that.
No, I don't mind that at all.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Actually I will use that, and then, at some point,
you decide to add sustainable,human-centric and biophilic
interior design to your resume,were you?
Speaker 4 (29:21):
bored.
Well, that's a long story, butbasically I did.
I began anyway.
Maybe I shouldn't go into that,but it's like this thing, that
anyway, I like a not apsychedelic, but any oh no, that
is cool.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Yeah, okay, well, don't worry, another podcast.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
We're going to do one on psychedelics.
Okay, yeah, it's not apsychedelic, it's a bark from
Africa that people have forinitiation.
But I did that and woke up in avery ugly McMansion in Adelaide
and it was horrid and I lookedaround and went I need to fix
this and enrolled myself in RMITand started studying interior
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design and came out of that andalso because I thought I should
get a real job because I wasworking in the theatre and music
and you don't get paid no canconfirm.
And music and you don't getreally, you don't get paid, no
can confirm.
So, um, yeah, and then I kindof, I guess I for me, design is
like everything and it's like anecosystem, and what am I trying
(30:30):
to say?
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Yeah, what is biophilic design Biophilic?
Speaker 4 (30:35):
design is mimicking nature, almost because nature is
the most perfect designer.
If you look at a flower oranything, you're just like it's
miraculous.
So biophilic design is humansmimicking nature, but in a way
that suits humans and naturealike and treads lightly on the
(30:57):
earth but also elevates thehuman experience.
That's how I see it, and usingnatural materials, using
non-toxic things and creatingbeautiful spaces that feel
really good.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
So if you're a listener and you live in the
Northern Rivers region, couldyou consult on spaces all around
Australia?
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Yes, I would love to.
Okay, yeah, I can.
Yeah, I make spaces beautiful,like my motto was designed to
elevate humanity.
And yeah, simple and beautiful.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Okay.
So if people want to reach outto Saria L to elevate their
space or for pickles or to justbuy some of your art or the
things that you make, we willleave Saria L's best contact
details not her address and herphone number, but maybe, like a
website, in the show notes.
Amazing, okay, thank you.
(31:53):
But we brought you here todayto talk about your latest ep,
recorded live at the knoll.
I'd really love to know what isthe knoll?
Yeah, it's.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
the knoll is a recording kind of community
studio in Mount Tambourine whichis, I think it's like on Knoll
Street.
And the reason it's called Lifeat the Knoll is because Nirvana
, I was inspired.
You know, they did MTVUnplugged, so I went with that
bit the Knoll and it's in MountTambourine, which is very
(32:31):
appropriate.
Yeah, and very beautiful MountTambourine.
It happened because I guesshe's a philanthropist and just
booked it in for me and went Ibooked you in a studio, so I
went and played the songs andthen they sounded nice so I
turned them into an EP.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Okay, so a philanthropist, which is
different to a philanderer, hewhat saw you perform and thought
you were so amazing that youhad to be recorded.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
He saw me perform, bought my ferments at the merch
desk.
He's an evangelical christian,so he particularly wants to
support jewish people.
Okay, classic, yeah, classic.
Didn't even know that was athing, but it is.
I've learned that this year too.
Yep, yeah, and saw that me andmy sister were kind of cancelled
(33:24):
from our arts communitiesbecause we didn't grow up with
Jews at all and startedsupporting us just like enough
to, yeah, book a studio and helpmake my art happen would you
feel comfortable talking moreabout your cancellation?
yeah, I mean for me it wasn't asbig as for my sister.
(33:46):
Like my sister got reallyterribly cancelled by who?
By her whole community.
She's a musician, she's anincredible musician and she was
like the darling of the indiescene in Australia, like her
career was doing really well andthen after October 7th she
shared a few things and said shewas like proudly Jewish and la
(34:09):
la la and her whole, like hergigs got cancelled because
people were scared to be in thesame room as her and all her
friends and community completelylike proper, ditched her,
ditched her.
Like and it happened again twoweeks ago with a venue in
melbourne and a venue inbrisbane and so she had to move
(34:32):
to america to continue hercareer.
But it's pretty, yeah, it'svery full on.
And for me, because I wasn't sopublic, like as in a public
figure, my friends for surecancelled.
Like I lost a lot of friends, alot.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
But it didn't impact my career so much because I
didn't have a public career,yeah, and so they cancelled you
just for being Jewish.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
No, like.
I think Gabriela and I wereboth publicly sharing things
that were happening sinceOctober 7th, but because it
wasn't the popular narrative orshowing another perspective,
people didn't like that.
And you know, I don't think itwas that we were posting such
like.
It wasn't like crazy things,but it was controversial because
(35:24):
it was.
It was a different narrative,you know, maybe about the
hostages or about the tunnels orthings like that.
It's very alienating, I thinkeven yesterday I met with a
person and kind of just tryingto explain what they don't see
in the news and it gets so itmakes me sound like a conspiracy
(35:46):
theorist, like I sound crazyand I'm.
I'm not crazy, but like newsthat I respect, respected, don't
publish other truths.
It's hard to convince people ormaybe there's just no point.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
I relate to everything you've said.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
But it's so full on, like I now know why Jews have
always stuck together, becauseit's like even yesterday, like
my best friends, they're notJewish and I told them I was
like you'll never understand.
Like you know, I talk to you 2%about this subject than what I
think about.
Like I'm thinking about it allthe time but I feel like you
(36:25):
don't want to hear what'sactually going on and so I don't
.
I just don't talk about it, butit makes you feel like you can
only talk to Jews about thisstuff, like it's so.
It becomes so insular, Do you?
Speaker 1 (36:39):
know what I mean.
I do know what you mean andalso I think what I've realised
recently is that there are moreallies than we realise, that
those alienating voices arethere and they're strong, but
they're a minority.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
But because we exist in the arts, it's a majority
yeah, even like talking to myfriend yesterday about this,
like he books all thesefestivals and we, I don't know
it got a bit heated, like he was, like I'm open, I'm, I want to
know, but then I would saythings and he wasn't.
He wasn't open and I was likevery aware I've like lost all
(37:19):
these potential festival gigsbecause I was trying to explain
to him about.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Hamas being a terrorist organisation.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
Yeah.
And then I'm like maybe Ishouldn't talk about, like my
friends, like don't tell peopleyou're a Zionist, just don't,
because they think you're a Nazi.
But I'm like, but do we juststop saying this word because
people have changed the word?
It's like saying stop sayingyou're Brazilian because people
don't like Brazilians, or are wemeant to educate?
(37:50):
It's like.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
No, let us decide what that word means.
It's our word.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
Yeah, and educate people rather than bowing down
to like what they've changed itto.
Yeah, you know it's so tricky.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
It really is, and I think what you're saying will
resonate with a lot of peoplelistening to this podcast.
So thank you for giving voiceto a feeling that a lot of
people have been holding ontoand not necessarily been able to
express.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
Well, thanks for giving me a platform to express,
of course, you're doing God'swork.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
In.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Mullumbimby.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
In Mullumbimby, which is God's country.
I mean we've got MountJerusalem down the road.
We have the beach, which islike every day, I'm like this is
God, Like God's, at the beachevery morning.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
I swear you also have the Yemenite Israeli food
outlet there.
What's it called Yemen's oh?
Speaker 4 (38:54):
well, good branding and then we have Yammy's.
We're like we have so manyIsraelis Like I'm learning
Hebrew lessons every week here.
There's an amazing IsraeliJewish community here, which is
really cool.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
There is.
I'm polishing for the greentahini from Yemen's.
Speaker 4 (39:15):
Oh is it?
This Is that srug.
Wait, what's it?
Speaker 1 (39:18):
No, I don't know what it's called, but I think about
it too often.
I think, I need to come andvisit.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
Yeah, come and visit Tammy.
Please be my guest.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Is that an open invitation to all of our
listeners?
Saria L.
Before we wrap up thisinterview, I do need to ask you
if there's anything that you'reashamed to admit in general, or
do you not experience shame?
Speaker 4 (39:45):
well, my father did a very good job of embarrassing
us my whole upbringing so Istopped feeling shame like quite
young because he really like hewould rock up and pick us up
from school covered in likegreen clay, you know, and just
do really crazy things thatwould embarrass the hell out of
(40:06):
me.
So I think that was actuallygood like formative wow to make
me not as embarrassed.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
So then, let me put it this way what's your
relationship like with shame?
You are a Jewish woman.
I mean, you're many things, butyou're also a Jewish woman, and
in my experience, jewish womenhave quite an unhealthy
relationship with shame.
We like to ruminate and makeourselves feel bad for the
things that we've done.
Does that resonate with you atall, or do you think she's
(40:35):
shaking her head?
Good, set an example.
Speaker 4 (40:38):
I wonder if that's because I grew up outside of the
Jewish community, withoutJewish schools, without because,
yeah, do you have guilt?
Like is there a guilt shamething from the religion of
Judaism?
Like is that a thing likeChristians with Hard to know
where?
Speaker 1 (40:54):
it stems from.
I just feel bad about stuff allthe time.
I'm like oh, I feel bad.
I shouldn't have said thatthing when I was eight years old
.
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (41:05):
I was heartbroken for eight years with a man that
didn't love me.
That was.
I don't know if that's shame,but that's more regret.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
It's shame adjacent, it'll do.
Okay, okay, okay.
On that note, if you, dearlistener, would like to
experience some of thatheartbreak and healing, then
please give Saria L's EP,recorded live at the Knoll, a
listen.
Give all of her songs onSpotify.
(41:35):
Some love and follow her on allthe socials.
We'll leave her details in theshow notes.
Saria L, thank you so much forjoining me on A Shame to Admit.
You've been an absolutepleasure.
Speaker 4 (41:47):
Thank you, tammy, and I'm such a big fan really.
I've read everything you'vewritten, I listen to all your
podcasts and I tell everyoneabout you, so it really is an
honour to be on your podcast.
Thank you.
We'll speak soon, okay, thankyou, tammy.
Bye.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
That was Saria L, and here's her song Big Dreams from
her EP Live at the Knoll, whichyou can now stream on Spotify
gonna do.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
Want the prestige, want the Grammys, want the big
(42:39):
house with French and pennies,just like all those rock stars
in the Hollywood hills.
So please don't let me stuff itup this time.
Got a whole lot to give and I'mgonna go go get it.
(43:03):
Yeah, I won't stop.
I won't quit, give up trying.
Got a whole lot to give and I'mgonna go go get it.
Want the bright lights, my namein headlines.
(43:23):
Give me the billboards.
I want the prime time.
Fake it till you make it.
Oh, you'll see me, I swear.
Yeah, I'm hungry, I'm ready, Igot this.
I'm deadly.
It's this time, it's the lasttime, so it's my time to make it
(43:51):
right.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
So please don't let me stop it.
And after you listen to Sarah'sEP, go ahead and book your
tickets to Le Mood live inMelbourne.
We're recording this podcastlive and you can be in the
audience.
Do you live in another state?
Might also be prudent to bookyour flights as well.
Okay, plug it with the plugs,Tammy.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
That's it for this week.
You've been listening to AShame to Admit with me, Dash
Lawrence.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
And me Dash Lawrence, and me Tammy Sussman.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
This episode was mixed and edited by Nick King,
with theme music by DonovanJenks.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
If you like the podcast, share it with a mate.
Tell them it's even moreenjoyable than getting into a
fresh pair of oversizedunderwear.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
As always, thanks for your support and look out for
us next week.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
So please don't let me stuff it up this time.
I got a whole lot to give andI'm gonna go go get it.
Yeah, I won't stop, I won'tquit, give up.
I'm trying, got a whole lot togive and I'm gonna go go get it.
(45:08):
Yeah, please don't let me stopit all this time.
I got a whole lot to give andI'm gonna go go get it.
Yeah, I won't stop, I won'tquit, give up.
I try.
Got a whole lot to give and I'mready.
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