September 18, 2024 • 54 mins
Guy Needler is an old friend of the show and it was great to catch up with him once again. We discuss how good it feels to lead by example in doing the right things and thus how one can use selfish desires to positively impact the world. The body as a vehicle for our perpetual soul is another topic of conversation, along with the reality that we are all here to evolve. So the entire point is to change and grow one's opinions based on wisdom. Finally we discuss how good it feels to have a life philosophy whereby one always assumes others are doing the best that they can. Try it! Hope you enjoy the show.
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SPEAKER_02 (00:25):
Hello and welcome to the show.
Today's show is with GuyNeedler.
He's a friend of the show.
We're always glad to catch upwith Guy and talk about the
state of ascension in our world.
In this episode, we talk a lotabout the need to lead by
example and focusing on truepositive value interactions to
set us a good example and toalso give a good vibration to
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the world.
Primarily, we talk, you know,why should we do this?
Well, doing right feels good.
It's pretty...
pretty basic selfish reason tohelp benefit society.
We talk a little bit more aboutthe body being a vehicle and
that we are perpetual, thebody's temporary.
And that to evolve is why we'rehere.
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So, you know, changing youropinions, evolving with more
insight and wisdom and changing,again, changing positions on
certain things is why we're allhere, right?
So I think that's something thatwe should all keep in mind and
is a key theme in this episodeas well, along with the reality
that if you can find it in yourheart to view the world
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differently, in that others aredoing the best that they can as
a philosophy of your life, yourlife will be more happy.
So I hope you enjoy the show.
It's a great one.
Guy, Guy Needler is always funto talk to.
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We'd just love to catch up.
I mean, my agenda is reallypretty simple with you.
It's like, what's new, right?
I'm excited to hear what you'vebeen working on lately, and we
can kind of go from there andtake some different directions
depending on what you share.
SPEAKER_01 (03:02):
Okay.
Well, really, I mean, the latestthing we've been working on is
The World at Sangerbox, whichwe've got a fifth book we're
working on right now, and I'vegot to upload a load of lectures
meditations that aren't onYouTube onto YouTube to sort of
supplement the informationthat's on the book or going to
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be on the book because we'regoing to provide links for
people to actually listen to themeditations that are part of the
book and some of the lecturesare part of the book.
So we're working on that.
So I've got about 28 lecturesand meditations that are part of
the back catalogue to sort ofput on YouTube that aren't
currently on YouTube.
So they're, you know, But theyspread out over the last, well,
basically from 2021 all the wayback to about 2013.
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So there's a little bit of workto do.
SPEAKER_02 (03:51):
What have you, in terms of that work, what are you
most excited about?
What stands out as most excitingto you and most important?
SPEAKER_01 (04:00):
Well, this is basically just, it's me giving
lectures on things thatbasically come to mind.
Those things that have come toyour consciousness that you know
you've got to talk about.
then there's questions andanswers that came from all that
that still do come from all overthe world and then we have a
meditation normally made basedupon the lecture but not always
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and so really it's about youknow a mixture of lectures
meditations and questions andanswers but there's the
meditations questions andanswers that i find quite very
very very interesting but fromthe really fast both from the
reader's perspective is thequestion that answers on because
We're starting to find now thattowards the end of the last,
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we've been going now for 12years, it's an appropriate time
for it to finish becauseeverything's based on 12 in the
multiverse, bizarrely enough.
And it's sort of like thequestions are starting to go in
a circle.
So people are starting to askthe same questions that will be
sort of three or four yearslater, not the same people, of
course, but it's the same sortof thing keeps coming out.
(05:02):
So although there's a fewquestions that are, sort of new
news, so to speak, and theanswers are therefore new.
In reality, the vast majority,about 95% of what we're starting
to receive now is starting tobecome sort of repetitious in
terms of the questions andanswers.
So there's a few gems that arecoming out.
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Although, having said that, Imean, in terms of the thought
processes that are coming out,specifically in today's world,
there's a few things that arereally quite interesting in
terms of How do we elect ourleaders?
How do we behave as supposedlyadvanced and mature
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civilisation?
And so there's things that havecome up literally in the last
two or three months that haveshown us that if we're going to
elect leaders that are basicallygoing to make our decisions for
us because we've chosen them,because we trust them, then
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there has to be some form ofchecksum events that allows a
system that is, if you like,aside from or not part of or
completely neutral from theelectress, so to speak.
So that if we end up with anumber of individuals who really
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aren't capable, but they've gotthere for whatever reason
because the electress put themthere, then there needs to be
some form of checksum in placethat says, okay, know these
people aren't really capable ofgoverning us in some way shape
or form so they would bebasically told that they can't
go any further and they'll beput to one side and then we'd
invite new individuals to comealong now that might be a group
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of individuals who are againparty to their own electoral
process but are completelyneutral to the election process
that's in the that's in thelocation the country you know,
the hemisphere that they're partof, or it might be a piece of
software that it is, you know,it might be a piece of, shall we
dare to say, artificialintelligence that, you know,
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that can look at the psychologyof the individuals, the
education, the capability, theleadership potential, you know,
the charisma, you know, allthese different things, you
know, what they've achieved, youknow, how they've been a service
to mankind, you know, between,you know, the point in fact
where their career is to wherethey are now.
And they will make the decisionfor us in a completely neutral
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and a side way so that we don'tstart to choose individuals
because we like them.
We choose them because they'reactually capable of doing the
job properly.
And that's one of theinteresting things that's come
out of it, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (07:45):
Yeah, well, it's top of mind, right?
I mean, I think we're all...
feeling a little bit vulnerableright now in terms of what, uh,
what our future holds with, withthe lack of leadership that
we're seeing.
Right.
Um, so I, I guess I'm encouragedthat this is coming up more, um,
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in, in what you're dealing withand the people you're dealing
with and all about, you know,kind of a collective
consciousness because, um, youknow, some of the things I see
with, with people, they just,they just blindly follow
whatever their favorite team is,um, regardless of any
independent thought orprocessing as to what really the
right decision criteria shouldbe
SPEAKER_01 (08:30):
yeah well on top of this there's like a progression
from it i mean this this um thisidea of having to check some
effect or the individuals forinstance if there's 12
individuals and they all say yesthis person's capable but one
says actually no then That makesyou think whether they followed
the sort of like thecollectivism rule rather than
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sort of, hang on, they're allbeing sheep or whatever.
And therefore they're not reallyunderstanding what's going on in
the background.
If one person does, then maybethat one person is not being
blinded by the others or coercedby the others in some way
because maybe they'recharismatic.
And therefore you've got thepotential to have somebody say,
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whoa, let's put the brakes on.
I'm not seeing what you'reseeing.
Why are you seeing it?
Why are you seeing it?
Oh, I'm following him.
Ah, you shouldn't be followinghim.
You should be thinkingindependently.
And so there's that part of itthat comes into it as well.
It's the independent thoughtprocess that I'm finding really
quite intriguing because if wehave a true level of maturity as
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a civilization that is with usfrom an independent, individual
perspective, then, you know, Ifwe have a series of rules,
regulations, laws, if you like,or ways of being or ways of
existing that we recognise asbeing the mark of a mature
advanced civilisation, onethat's capable of going further
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and moving off the planet, forexample, or moving up the
frequencies from a spiritualperspective, then do we need
leaders?
Do we need to have individualswho are putting, you know,
exalted positions to govern usif we are governing ourselves in
a mature way where we'rethinking about you know not only
ourselves but the collectivefirst the collective of mankind
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first you know what's my choiceand what's my decision process
now going to do to those aroundme how's it going to affect them
how's it going to affect mehow's it going to affect the
environment you know how's itgoing to affect their their
thought processes in the futureAnd so we start to think about
moving away from this idea ofhaving the correct checks in
place to make sure we've got theright type of leaders to being
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our own leadership role at alldifferent levels.
And therefore, we start to getthe dawn of collectivism, not
communism, collectivism, wherewe're thinking not only in an
individualized, independent way,but that way is considering it's
going to affect others and theenvironment and the
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circumstances and the thoughtprocesses downstream and that
for me is that's a key point akey milestone if you start to
think about in starting to thinkin these ways and if i'm
thinking about there's otherpeople in my level sort of
thinking about it as well and ifwe are thinking this way then
we're starting to move away fromthis idea of You know, we elect
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individuals as leaders and thoseindividuals can be corrupt or
can start to lose their state ofservice, of leadership and
become, you know, they want tobe in power all the time rather
than letting others, you know,take over.
So how would we...
It's interesting.
SPEAKER_02 (11:44):
I love the conversation.
How would we unwind?
Like the opportunity, I think,just to hear you say this,
because I've been thinkingsimilar things.
I talk to people and...
I don't, you know, I'm notplugged into the collective
consciousness to a degree likeyou are, right?
So I find this very optimisticand encouraging that this is
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what's happening in terms of thetotal vibration of the world.
But, you know, taking just theUnited States as an example, you
know, we have a completelycorrupt system.
You know, probably 80 to 90% ofthe people that are our leaders,
quote unquote, are corrupt,right?
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How do we unwind that?
Are you picking up anythingthere?
Is there any talk or chatter orideas that you're having in that
situation?
SPEAKER_01 (12:42):
It's going to take a quantum leap in the way we
think, behave and actcollectively to actively decide
actually no we don't need tohave a prime minister we don't
need to have a president wedon't need to have a king or a
queen or a governor or anemperor or a senator but we are
capable of collectively workingtogether and and doing these
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things and it's going to be anot going to be it's difficult
to describe but it's almostgoing to be something that
happens to us on our consciouslevel and you know i sent our
sentence where we decide thatyeah we've We're fed up with
this way of existing, which isnot actually working, where
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we're allowing ourselves toproliferate too much, i.e.
the population is too great inthe world to support it.
We start to consider that weneed to understand that, and I
guess this is the milestone,When we start to understand that
we're not the human body, thatthe human body isn't us, and
therefore we are in a selfishposition where we're trying to
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perpetuate existence for as longas possible in the most
comfortable and affluentmaterialistic way as possible,
we start to realize that we areperpetual and we understand
these on a fundamental basis,not just in an academic basis
where we think, okay, I believethis because this individual's
got all, you know, I've giventhis individual authority in
terms of that thought processand therefore I choose to
believe them.
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they actually experiencesomething that you might want to
call is an out-of-bodyexperience or something
prolonged that gives them theunderstanding that their
sentiences or there's what wecall the soul is perpetual and
is part of a larger volume ofsentence and that larger volume
of sentence is part of anotherlarger volume of sentence that
we start to recognise that thebody is just a vehicle, like a
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motor car, like a hire car.
You know, when we go somewhere,if we haven't got a vehicle, we
hire a vehicle, we use it, andsometimes people abuse them, and
then we take them back, andthat's it, and we go and do
whatever we're doing.
When we start to understand thaton a fundamental basis, then the
need for having a governingstructure is no longer required,
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because we start to understandthat collectively, the sentience
starts to connect in thetriangulating type of function
or the direct line triangulationor volumetric triangulation and
we start to think behave and actnot in a hive mind where we lose
our individualized free will buta way where we we still have our
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individualized free will butit's considering the you know
the collective functions as i'vepreviously said but that's got
to come from a higher level ofknowledge or experience where we
start to realize that the bodyis not where we are.
And we know that we can existbeyond the body.
And therefore, there's a reasonto be here and that's to evolve.
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And if we're behaving in a waywhich is not consistent with the
optimal level of evolutionaryprogressional content associated
with our interactions with eachother and the circumstances we
create within the environmentswithin which we exist within,
then we start to work in a waywhich is really of a higher,
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mature, civilized, advanced waythat's going to allow us to
ascend the frequency.
SPEAKER_02 (16:05):
And
SPEAKER_01 (16:07):
ultimately, to the point where we've mastered
incarnation because we'll haveunderstood how to be in the
physical but not be of thephysical and be addicted to the
physical
SPEAKER_02 (16:19):
so that that's excellent guy i um you know it
i'm thinking it makes me thinkof some of the things that i've
read and talked to people aboutum well, what is it, you know,
what, what is the greatawakening mean, right?
Like, what is that?
Um, you know, and that goes intoconversations around, you know,
how does it even occur?
Is that triggered by the sun andsystems of light that, that,
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that are triggering this?
And, but, but even just stickingwith the point of what is it,
um, you know, one of the thingsthat sticks out to me that, that
I've learned and that Iassociate with it, whether it's
right or wrong, I don't know,but, um, that it's basically,
we're, we're moving toward a,um, a system and an existence
and a reality where we don'teven, we can't even comprehend
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the negative choices, likemaking a choice to where it
would hurt someone else.
Like we were getting, we'removing toward a position where
that choice will not evenmanifest itself in our, in our
thought process.
Is that, am I on the right trackthere?
I'm just trying to help bridgethe gap here with what I've
heard and also helps theaudience understand a little bit
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more in depth of what we'retalking about here.
SPEAKER_01 (17:24):
Yeah, it's a state of beingness where that type of
thought process is outside ofour consideration, our psyche.
Let me give you an example.
Most individuals will notconsider the fundamentals of the
downward spiral that could occurto them karmically by throwing
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the sweet wrapper out the carwindow.
because that's the start point.
Something as simple as that is astart point of thinking, well, I
don't need to sort of take therubbish out of my car, pull the
trash out of my car and put itinto a bin properly.
I can put it out the windowbecause it's somebody else's job
to clean up after them.
If we start to takeresponsibility for ourselves and
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that state of beingness startsto create a condition within
ourselves where we feel goodabout ourselves and we
understand that when we do theright choices, it actually makes
us feel better that we arebetter that we attract those
around us who are also the samethought process then you know
rather than collecting togetherto um be a similar similar mind
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or or process to see forinstance a football team or a
hockey team or a or a cyclingclub or a rock group or a you
know or a golfing professionalthese people that we sort of
decide to follow because Theygive us a, if you like, a
horizon line to head for, youknow, a state of beingness or
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wealth.
But we start to think, well,actually, we don't need to have
these icons because we're ourown icon, provided we let
ourselves go down that road.
And actually, when we do go downthat road, okay, it's a bit of a
battle at first.
You know, do I open the windowto put the sweeper up ahead?
Do I drop it in the car?
Or do I leave it where it'ssupposed to be, in the sweep
wrapper packet?
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And then the sweep wrapperpacket gets thrown in the bin
properly at home.
So it's making that choice andconsistently making those
choices and how it makes us feelbetter is going to be the start
point of the cascade.
And as we do it, and people say,well, why are you so happy?
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And you explain why you're beinghappy.
And they go, well, I fancy someof that because I'm really quite
miserable and frustrated rightnow.
And so doing the right thing, itmust create some level of
endorphin response within thebrain.
And energetically, there must besomething that creates that
level of physical response.
And so if we can lead byexample, then people start to
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catch on that that person'shappy.
I want to be as happy as thatperson.
What are you doing?
It's not creating a cult, it'screating a change in thought
process.
SPEAKER_02 (20:13):
Yeah, it's excellent.
I couldn't be more excited aboutwhat you're saying.
I mean, it's hard not to getdiscouraged, right?
I mean, I just, I don't, I don'ttry not to watch the news.
I really just don't want to getthat programming, you know, be,
be associated with that.
It was on this morning when Iwalked through the kitchen, uh,
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cause my wife was trying tocheck out the weather and, you
know, I just get, get thisprogramming of this horrible
negativity of all this stuffthat's going on here in Denver,
Colorado.
And, um, it's really hard,right.
With the media and everybodythat's so interested and
intrigued by those negativeheadlines and that negative
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click bait.
And, um, it's the fear and theanxiety is just, it's constantly
being pushed.
Um, And so I know a lot of ourlisteners are listening to this
and they're thinking tothemselves, yeah, this would be
great, but is this real?
When's this going to happen,right?
Do we need someone to come downfrom the stars to get our
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attention?
Do we need the second coming ofChrist?
Whatever your belief system maybe, do we need something like
that to trigger this?
Because it's just so negative,right?
What do you say to that?
SPEAKER_01 (21:31):
Well, The second coming of Christ isn't a person
coming along to save us.
It's us saving ourselvesinternally.
I believe
SPEAKER_02 (21:40):
that too.
SPEAKER_01 (21:41):
We're purified.
To be Christian needs to bepurified.
And when John the Baptist usedto wash the sins away of the
individuals who came to betaught by him and therefore his
colleague Jesus, he wasbasically saying, you can start
again now.
Forget what happened in thepast.
UNKNOWN (22:02):
Start
SPEAKER_01 (22:02):
again as a fresh individual you're now purified
and to be christian to bepurified so the second coming of
christ is us collectivelystarting to think in a pure way
rather than a negativematerialistic way it is so super
easy to go down the karmic routeof gossip and talk about
somebody else and go againstthem because we're entering into
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a level of group communion youknow a common process, we've got
a common subject to talk about.
Let's talk about X down the roadwho's probably overweight or,
you know, he's struggling towalk or isn't, you know, doesn't
have a nice car or a new car,he's driving a 25-year-old car
around.
You know, all these different,or doesn't mow the lawn every
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week, you know.
All these different things arethe things that we sort of snap
upon.
I think, okay, yeah.
And we go into it without eventhinking about it.
You know, it's It's like fallingasleep.
And that's basically what we aredoing.
We're falling asleep.
We're falling asleep and goingdown the frequencies because we
choose to be part of thecollective and the subject that
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keeps the collective together ina negative way is gossip.
Any form of gossip, whether it'sabout an individual, whether
it's about a circumstance,whether it's about an accident,
whether it's about a, you know,um state of the weather you know
if it's negative and we we tendto gravitate towards it easier
so what we need to do is peoplewho are a bit more a bit more
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aware and awake is to change itover and say you know well i
don't choose to talk negativelyabout people always see
something positive in peopleokay they might have these
traits but at the end of the daythey're a soul and they're
struggling through theirincarnation and they're
struggling to exist in a lowfrequency environment which is
bombarding them every day everysecond of every hour of every
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day with the potential to gainkarma gain addiction to being
here or have to work out karmain another life and and if we
can help them in some way by byshowing them love or
understanding and then not byeducating them fully on yeah not
like i'm saying you should bethink behaving acting this way
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but shown by example again theysay well why are you happy you
know well i'm doing this and i'mdoing that ah does it make you
feel happy well yeah because i'mfeeling refreshed and i'm
feeling that you know i've got afunction in the world and i'm
evolving as a funk is a state ofit and that's when you start to
see so-called felons orcriminals who might um even in
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the even in in prison they havethey're having these aha moments
maybe they've seen something orthey've experienced the thought
process with themselves and theyrealize that you know not only
can they make a difference tothemselves maybe they can make a
difference to other people by bychanging the way that they are
and it makes them feel betterand because and making them feel
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better makes them go up theheight in the higher frequencies
it's not egotistical it's just astate of beingness.
We feel better and we feellighter when we're in a higher
frequency.
And so being a good example isthe best teacher of all.
SPEAKER_02 (25:16):
Yeah, it's interesting.
It also reminds me of somethingelse that I've recently noticed.
Not you know, don't, don'treally like to look back in life
because, you know, I think a lotof the experiences we have get
us to where we are, right?
You realize certain things aboutwhat you did or didn't do, and
it evolves you, um, as aspiritual being.
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But one of the things that, uh,I've been thinking about lately
that I wish I would have knownwhen I was younger, um, is just
a, it's more of a philosophical,um, it's exactly kind of, I
think it's in line with whatyou're saying, but it's, it's,
if you look at people insituations, um, And if your
default is the people are doingthe best they can, if you
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default there as opposed tothose a-holes are doing this and
they're trying to get me thisway, it changes the entire
perspective and you feel betterabout your life.
It's such a much better way toassume that when things happen
that those people are doing thebest they can and they, they
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just don't know for whateverreason, or they've got other
things that they've got to do,like whatever it is, like
somebody cuts you off intraffic, somebody, you know, is,
is rude to you or fires you fromyour job or all, all kinds of
things.
If you, if you can get to thepoint where, at least for me, I
found this to be helpful.
If I can get to that point whereI can assume and get to that
default and I'm not perfect atit, it's, it's, it's a constant
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battle.
Um, but I'm getting a lot betterat it.
Um, that I feel better, right?
And I think that that, you know,I think that that helps the
world because I'm not releasingthat low vibration anger and
even thinking it, right?
If you can just get toimmediately, because even
thinking that stuff isn't thebest thing for our collective
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consciousness, as I understandit.
SPEAKER_01 (27:11):
That's right.
I mean, if we think negativethoughts, even though we might
not broadcast them vocally, thenthat energy sort of is broadcast
around and is picked up by usand we start to sort of get
absorbed by it or absorb it.
So without doubt, theopportunity to be the good
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example is the way not only tohelp us evolve, it helps others
evolve because we learn byexample.
If you look at how everybodylearns by example, Okay, we go
to school, we go to college, wego to university, maybe we do
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doctorates, PhDs, maybe becomeprofessors, et cetera, et
cetera.
But at the end of the day, thefundamental learning point is
when we're in the womb.
The soul is attaching itself tothe embryo, getting more
acquainted with that particularvehicle as it starts to grow.
And whilst it's starting togrow, they're hearing the
mother's thoughts, they'rehearing the father's thoughts,
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the potential sibling'sthoughts, and other things that
are affecting them.
And then when it's born, theystart to go through the process
of being educated by, you know,they listen to the way in which
the parents and the siblings, ifthey've got them, are
communicating to each other.
So they learn speech.
And they learn mannerisms.
They learn likes and dislikesbased upon the circumstances and
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the likes and dislikes and theway that parents think, behave
and act.
I mean, how many times haveindividuals started a career
because one of their parents wasdoing that career.
Doctors become doctors becausetheir parents are a doctor.
Or they become scientists orengineers.
And certainly, both me and mybrother became engineers because
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my father was an engineer.
And we went down that route.
I know people all over the worldwho've become lawyers because
their parents are a lawyer.
Or because they had an oldersibling who was going down that
road.
So we tend to gravitate towardsthat which we know.
So if we can create a conditionwhere we're not being educated
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to do things wrong because one,our parents are out of work, or
two, they're on drugs, or three,they're felons, that we're
educated to go in thatdirection.
There ought to be somethinginvolved where if that's the
case, then there ought to be adifferent level of um
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interaction with people tochange the education process
from going that way to goingthat way and therefore the when
we start to get that and westart to get the leading by
example and education by exampleroutine going which creates the
start of collectivism then we'vegot the chance of moving away
from the the mass level ofnegative thought process and
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materialism that we get in thereworldwide and people start to
think in the collective functioninstead it's going to take three
or four generations but if youknow if you're starting to think
that way independently i amothers as well then it's
starting to you know starting topermeate the the overall human
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psyche and the things that arehappening around the world now
People are starting to objectit.
This isn't the way we want youto govern us or the way we want
to live.
We want to be able to think,behave, and act in a way which
is going to be of benefit to us,allow us to have a nice life,
but also allow us to have a nicelife as well, which isn't a
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materialistic thought process.
It's a state of, I suppose,nirvana on earth where we all
That's right.
Peace on
SPEAKER_02 (31:01):
earth, right?
Why not peace?
It's such an obvious desire, Ithink.
And I think more and more it'sbecoming that way.
And I'm trying to figure out howto transition this conversation
into another area.
And I think one of the thingsthat I've been learning a lot
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about And I read a recent postthat you had posted about
something similar too.
So it's this idea that thereare, you know, and I don't want
to, I'm not trying tosensationalize it for our
audience.
I'm not trying to scare anybody.
You know, it's kind of a toughconversation.
But there are, in myunderstanding, there are
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entities, incarnates, spirits,beings, things that are outside
of our true selves that areconstantly trying to, um, occupy
either our body or our energyfields to, to survive, I guess,
or to get that energy.
Um, can you, and I readsomething that you had posted
(32:11):
recently about, um, These werecalled demons back in the day,
and then these demons wereencountered by, you know, Jesus
had some experiences where hecured people, and I think some
of the conversation that you hadin this post was around him
being able to basically removethese incarnates or entities
from these other people'sfields, and that was the cure,
(32:34):
so to speak.
Yeah.
I guess as I learn about this,it opens up a lot of questions.
How can we as individualsprotect our bodies and our
containers from being parasiticentities or spirits, whatever
they may be?
And the second part of that isif this is the way that it is,
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then doesn't that mean probablythis is the problem with our
leaders, right?
Our leaders may be overcome withthese sorts of negative
influences and therefore may beimmune to this evolution of
positive thinking that we justdiscussed.
Am I onto something here?
Can you just give me a reactionto this?
SPEAKER_01 (33:20):
It's well understood within certain spiritual, I was
going to call them circles,levels of understanding that
there are entities that existthat we call astral entities.
that exist as a function of thesort of Darwinian evolution of
energy over a long period.
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And there's those that arecreated by our negative thoughts
when we just think negativethoughts about somebody or we
think that, you know, I wishthis person would this or that.
So we're quite powerful sentiententities and we can create these
things.
Now, they exist in frequencylevels above where we can see
with our physical eyes.
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and so they exist in the fourthfifth sixth and seventh
frequencies now the ones thatare in the fifth the sixth and
seventh frequencies they'rethey're less likely to try to
overtly take energy from usbecause basically the astral
entities that although they'recreated they have a they're a
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bit like a battery can recordthat they have their own energy
for for a time and then theyhave to take energy from
somebody else or something elsethat can be any sort of any any
vehicle has got a sentienceaspect to it, such as the soul
of some sort.
And so these entities are aboveour visual range, but they're
still in a range where otherbody types can be incarnated
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into.
In the physical universe,there's another line of levels.
The first three levels, where weare right now, are to create the
gross physical.
Scientists call it the thirddimension, but in my
understanding, that's wrongbecause dimensions or full
dimensions are much higherpieces of structure.
What they're using is adescription for volume, which is
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height, one dimension, width,another dimension, and depth,
another dimension.
The drawing, for example,understanding volume.
But these These entities can bein these levels.
And we can have other body typesin these higher levels as well.
So there's nine levels abovethat.
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I mean, Dolores Cannon talksabout the next level being the
new Earth, but I thought itwould be people would leave this
one Earth and go into thatEarth.
Well, the answer is yes and no.
They're not two Earths.
It's the same Earth, but higherfrequency.
So individuals who go into thatEarth tend to, through ascension
and good living processes, goodservice-based living processes,
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are still there.
They're still on Earth.
And individuals of that levelwould observe them, perceive
them.
But people on the lower levelswouldn't because they've been
above their visual range.
And the visual range is afunction also of the use of the
spiritual third eye.
So there's two things happeningthere.
Now, from that perspective,there's obviously body types
that we as sentients can beincarnated into and all the
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different frequencies associatedwith the physical universe.
But there's these entities whichcome which are created through
the Darwinian evolution ofenergy and our aggressive
thought processes againstindividuals that need to
continue their existence bytaking energy from people.
So they take energy from theauric layers, which are
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basically the waste product ofthe metabolisation of energies
from the chakras, which areenergy receivers, and the
associated energy templates thatcreate the possibility of the
manifestation of a body form,which in this instance is the
human body.
So they can take energy from usand they can occupy us.
And they sometimes create acommand and control condition
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where they're governing thethought process of the host, for
example.
You know, the so-called personwho's been told by demons to do
this or do that.
On the other side, they cancreate a synergetic effect where
the individual can be given afeeling of power or coercive
ability or charisma orleadership role because the
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entity is giving away a littlebit of energy that makes them
attractive to others.
So there are times when entitiescreate this synergy with their
host, and they coexist togetherbecause they're benefiting each
other.
But there's also conditionswhere we can overindulge in
certain things, such as drugs oralcohol, where the body becomes
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too low frequency for the soulto stay in it.
So the soul has to get outtemporarily.
In this instance, there areother souls that have finished
their incarnation, but theyhaven't quite understood that
they've finished theirincarnation, and or they're
addicted to some of theexperiences of being in the
incarnate vehicle, such as,again, experiencing drunkenness
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or experiencing drugs, that sortof stuff.
So they can move into the bodybecause the primary animating
soul is no longer there.
And so that's when you get achange of personality involved
with somebody who's drunkbecause there's another soul in
there.
But the other soul is usuallyangry or frustrated because it
can't stay there all the timeand the energies start to
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become, and the frequenciesassociated with those energies
that are the body, start tobecome disharmonious to them.
So there's a bit of a fightinggoing on because this soul
shouldn't be in that body unlessit's a walk-in, a walk-in soul
that's had the walk-inpre-planned before the
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incarnation starts, for example.
Then we see souls coming in andout.
Sometimes you get like anaccident and the personality
changes because the soul that'staken the body to that point in
maturity has decided that's thetime to leave.
And then the soul comes inbecause it doesn't want to go
through the gestation process orthe education process, those
sorts of things.
So you get souls can walk in inan aggressive function because
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the body's disharmonious becausethey're taking your drugs or
having too many too many beersor whiskeys etc etc and they've
got those that can come in as apart of a part of the plan on
the other side you have bodiesthat have more than one soul and
because of the function theyhave to do now there's a number
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of different leaders in theworld who've got more than one
soul in the body and althoughthey're not the the primary
animating soul they're there togive the animating soul advice
on how to experience or how towork with different
circumstances or differentleadership roles for example
presidents might do or primeministers or kings might do
certainly those individuals whoare in leadership roles when
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there's a significant functionto do like in war times those
sorts of things they'll have toyou know make people work
together in a in a way which isunseen normally i mean how many
people you know would willinglygo to the war you know the
potential to not come back agreat potential to not come back
(40:19):
lots of people sort ofvolunteering to go into the army
and the navy and and and the airforce because they were they had
seen the light of this thisindividual who was you know a
very charismatic verycharismatic leader that charisma
and also the leadershipqualities might not be
specifically associated with onesoul but other souls within the
(40:39):
same body now In the averagesense, not in the specific sense
of a body type being used to bea great leader, it's not
uncommon, not every day, thatthere's more than one soul in
the body, naturally, becausethere's an agreement that, for
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instance, one soul would be theprimary animating soul that's
the soul that's experiencing theincarnation and interacting with
individuals in the circumstancesthey create within the
environments they create and theothers are just experiencing the
incarnation not interacting atall but there are times when
maybe a soul or two or there'smore than more than two more
(41:22):
three maybe they get a bitenthusiastic and they want to
participate and then you startto get instances where a person
will start to talk to otherindividuals that aren't there,
or they're hearing voices intheir minds and they're arguing
against these voices andeverything else, and maybe the
one voice is saying, yeah, dothis and do that, or experience
this or experience that, andmaybe that soul's taking over,
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actually doing it.
So there's three basic scenariosthere that describe where you've
got astral entities taking over,influencing the individual, or
in fact creating a synergeticeffect, You've got souls that
have left their incarnation, butthey haven't left the
frequencies of the earth.
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They're still thinking they'reincarnate, or they're seeking to
experience the sensationsassociated with incarnation.
So they seek out individualswhose souls have left their
bodies because they have becomeparalytic with drink or alcohol.
they're passed out because thedrugs may take over the body
(42:27):
temporarily and then you've gotthe souls who are part of you
know let's call them thebackseat passenger souls who are
experiencing the incarnation butnot interacting with the
incarnation who get a bitenthusiastic and trying to take
over so so in that instancethere's there's these different
types of interaction with withsouls and and entities and the
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the blog that's um i sent outwhich is a which was basically a
a question and answer betweenmyself and Ulla Sarmiento of
bigpicture.com who we worktogether on doing the Satsanga
books we've managed for probably11 years now I suppose asked
(43:10):
these questions so I gave theseanswers I actually did a
recording she transcribed andshe said these are good and she
gives these wonderful blogsthey're far superior to mine
they're really superblyillustrated and she said you
know do you want to try to blogit so I'll blog it and then
obviously make a point of who'sdone it.
So he worked together quitewell.
But it's interesting that theexamples that she was working
(43:35):
on, which were examples of thelife of Jesus in terms of he
removed demons from threedifferent entities.
One was Mary Magdalene, one wasan aggressive individual
wielding a knife in themarketplace or something.
I think the other one was a itwas a young adult who had to be
(43:56):
struck down the bed because thethe soul was trying to take over
and it was interesting that whati picked up and i mean i think
the from where they got it fromwas a i think it's a program
called chosen week it's anotherway of depicting the life of
jesus i think yeah yep um it'sinteresting that these examples
are actually not just examplesof jesus removing these entities
(44:17):
and he would have had to havedone a significantly larger
amount of work than just say youknow leave her or leave him
there'd be a lot more a lot moreenergetic work to do than that
um but there are good examplesof the different types in way
which entities can in in factinteract with us synergetically
or not as the case may be andhow different souls can interact
with us in a non-corporal way
SPEAKER_02 (44:42):
very interesting so if whenever i hear your
description of that it makes methink of um there's a There's a
gentleman here in the UnitedStates by the name of Bob Lazar,
who used to work at Area 51.
I don't know if you've heard ofBob.
SPEAKER_01 (44:59):
Yeah, I know Bob Lazar.
Don't know him personally, but Iknow of him and what he was
experiencing.
SPEAKER_02 (45:05):
So the clip that I'm referring to is when Bob, they
ask him about religion.
And I really liked Bob'sresponse.
response because he doesn't putany hypotheses or you know it
may be this or that he juststates the facts of he said
there was a file you know aboutthree or four inches thick that
he was privy to um when he wasworking there um at area 51 and
(45:30):
it was on religion and they youknow the the commentator asked
him about this on the video thati saw it's like okay well what
did you learn and bob says itjust says that we're containers
And that, you know, and so thenthe commentator is like pushing
him on that.
What does that mean?
What does it mean?
He's like, you know, you canmake it mean whatever you want,
(45:52):
but you asked me what the filessaid, and the files say that
religion was created simply tohelp us have a reason to protect
the containers that we're in.
What are your thoughts on that?
How does that work?
know how you know what where'sthe accuracy in that what what
(46:12):
are your um differences ofopinion there
SPEAKER_01 (46:15):
i was starting with the word i think i'm not gonna
be more accurate than that
SPEAKER_02 (46:19):
yeah
SPEAKER_01 (46:19):
yeah in my experience in my experience all
religions have the same root butwith a different uh voice of
authority to explain how tomaintain connectivity with who
and what we really are whilstwe're in a low frequency
environment.
So how to stay high frequencyand therefore maintain our
(46:39):
communicative bandwidth.
On top of that, you start torealise that that's also
teaching us that we're not thebody, that the body is a
container, a vehicle, to allowus to navigate around the
environment that we're in.
In this instance, it's theearth.
And so How to maintain thevehicle, how to interact with
(47:02):
the vehicle and how to maintainthe interaction at the right
level with other individuals intheir containers is a way in
which we can maintain our higherfrequency.
How to maintain our higherfrequency, we maintain our
communicative bandwidth, whichmeans we know who we are and
what we are, even though we'rein a low frequency environment.
(47:23):
So it's a little bit like scubadiving.
When we go scuba diving, We losemost of our senses apart from
our hearing.
Our hearing is the only thingthat really, really stands out.
Because sound in water, I thinkit travels 30 times faster than
the air.
I might be wrong with that.
So don't hold me over the cold.
It's wrong.
But being a diver, I seem toremember that's about what it
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is.
But we start to lose colour inour eyes.
We lose feeling in our handsbecause the skin gets
waterlogged.
And of course, we can't smell.
We've got a diving mask on.
And the only thing we can tasteis the salt water.
So we start to becomemonochromatic in most of our
senses.
So we're losing a lot of ourcommunicative ability with our
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environments because the sensesare part of how we interact with
the environment and how wenavigate around it.
We can't speak because we'rehaving to breathe through an
aqualung.
So we can't breathe the water.
There's suggestions that wemight be able to, but we can't
breathe the water.
So that's an example of beingdown in a low frequency
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environment.
But being in a higher frequencyenvironment is like being in the
air where we normally are, andtherefore we can use our five
senses and body language to beable to communicate, and
intuition, of course, to be ableto communicate with other
individuals who are in the air.
So the ability to maintain ahigh frequency state in a
(48:49):
low-frequency environment.
And the different ways we can dothat, mindfulness with Buddhism,
Christianity by being of serviceto each other and teaching
others how to be.
We've got similar things withIslam and Judaism.
They're all different ways ofexplaining the same thing.
But the different teachers are adifferent specialism, basically,
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that still led to the samething.
The problem is...
over the years the quality ofthe teacher has disappeared and
the ability to be able tobroadcast what they are
experiencing themselves havedisappeared because they're not
experiencing it anymore and thenit becomes a control medium so
the religions are basically youknow completely out of context
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from what they were originallydesigned to do which is to help
us maintain our higher frequencyin one particular way that a
particular master understood.
And therefore, we can maintainour communicative ability and
know who and what we are.
And in doing that, it allows usto understand that the body, the
(49:54):
container, is simply a vehicleto allow us to navigate around
the earth.
So you can see that what BobLazar was saying in very basic
terms is that he understood thatfrom the information that was
there, that the body is just acontainer for a volume of
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sentience, which is experiencinga lower frequency environment,
i.e.
us in a diving suit experiencinga lower frequency environment,
which is being under the water.
SPEAKER_02 (50:26):
That's great.
And it kind of takes us backfull circle, which is, you know,
we just need to get more peoplerealizing that making the right
choices feels better.
Because if it feels better, thenwe do more of it, right?
UNKNOWN (50:39):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (50:40):
I mean, if we started to know, not feel or
believe, but know that we areperpetual and everything we do
is done in the right way,provides a level of evolutionary
acceleration, and therefore westart to increase our evolution
(51:01):
to the point where we no longerneed to be here, then wouldn't
we think behaviour act in a moremature way?
Let's help each other, climb theladder.
I mean, look at how, when wehave environmental catastrophes,
people don't worry about whetherthe person that's helping them
is a criminal.
And the criminal doesn't botherabout whether the person that's
(51:24):
helping them is a doctor or alawyer.
You're all helping each otherget out of trouble.
You're all clubbing together.
You're all helping each othermove people out of the rubble to
save the baby, to save the dog,to save the cat.
you know, to move away from thefire.
If it's a bushfire, for example,we all work together, not with
the COVID-19.
You know, we've had COVID.
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There was a whole communityworking together, albeit in a
correct spacing process, to helpeach other in our everyday life.
You know, people would go to theshops and help people who
couldn't go to the shops becausethey were isolated, for example.
We were working collectivelytogether.
We were working in a collectiveway.
We were starting to haveexperience collectivism again.
(52:06):
The unfortunate thing was itdidn't last long enough to get
it ingrained in our psyche.
So we very quickly came back tothe individual states of
selfishness, basically.
But we start to see, again,strife that the people in Gaza
are experiencing.
And they're all working togetherbecause they're experiencing
something which they'recollectively experiencing, not
(52:29):
just one or two areexperiencing.
So they're all helping eachother out.
And so when we start to thinkthat know these are these events
are they're designed to help usstop focusing ourselves and
start focusing on all of uswe've all got to help each other
because if i help them they'llhelp me etc then we start to see
that again we come around thefull circle again where if we
(52:51):
start to think behave and act ina collective way not a hive mind
but a collective way then we'regoing to descend the frequencies
and move beyond the need to behere
SPEAKER_02 (53:02):
Yeah, I think that's a great spot to wrap up.
Guy, I really appreciate yourtime.
It's always awesome catching upwith you.
And I think let's end there onthat positivity because that's
what it's all about, right?
SPEAKER_01 (53:14):
Exactly.
Why be negative when you can bepositive?
I don't remember how manymuscles are involved now, but
there's significantly moremuscles associated with training
than there is in smiling.
So why waste energy?
Yeah,
SPEAKER_02 (53:30):
totally.
Guy Needler, thank you so much.
Have a wonderful day and stickaround just for a second and
I'll stop the recording, butthank you so much for joining
SPEAKER_01 (53:43):
us.
Thank you very much.
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Hello and welcome to the show.
Today's show is with GuyNeedler.
He's a friend of the show.
We're always glad to catch upwith Guy and talk about the
state of ascension in our world.
In this episode, we talk a lotabout the need to lead by
example and focusing on truepositive value interactions to
set us a good example and toalso give a good vibration to
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the world.
Primarily, we talk, you know,why should we do this?
Well, doing right feels good.
It's pretty...
pretty basic selfish reason tohelp benefit society.
We talk a little bit more aboutthe body being a vehicle and
that we are perpetual, thebody's temporary.
And that to evolve is why we'rehere.
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So, you know, changing youropinions, evolving with more
insight and wisdom and changing,again, changing positions on
certain things is why we're allhere, right?
So I think that's something thatwe should all keep in mind and
is a key theme in this episodeas well, along with the reality
that if you can find it in yourheart to view the world
(01:29):
differently, in that others aredoing the best that they can as
a philosophy of your life, yourlife will be more happy.
So I hope you enjoy the show.
It's a great one.
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We'd just love to catch up.
I mean, my agenda is reallypretty simple with you.
It's like, what's new, right?
I'm excited to hear what you'vebeen working on lately, and we
can kind of go from there andtake some different directions
depending on what you share.
SPEAKER_01 (03:02):
Okay.
Well, really, I mean, the latestthing we've been working on is
The World at Sangerbox, whichwe've got a fifth book we're
working on right now, and I'vegot to upload a load of lectures
meditations that aren't onYouTube onto YouTube to sort of
supplement the informationthat's on the book or going to
(03:24):
be on the book because we'regoing to provide links for
people to actually listen to themeditations that are part of the
book and some of the lecturesare part of the book.
So we're working on that.
So I've got about 28 lecturesand meditations that are part of
the back catalogue to sort ofput on YouTube that aren't
currently on YouTube.
So they're, you know, But theyspread out over the last, well,
basically from 2021 all the wayback to about 2013.
(03:47):
So there's a little bit of workto do.
SPEAKER_02 (03:51):
What have you, in terms of that work, what are you
most excited about?
What stands out as most excitingto you and most important?
SPEAKER_01 (04:00):
Well, this is basically just, it's me giving
lectures on things thatbasically come to mind.
Those things that have come toyour consciousness that you know
you've got to talk about.
then there's questions andanswers that came from all that
that still do come from all overthe world and then we have a
meditation normally made basedupon the lecture but not always
(04:21):
and so really it's about youknow a mixture of lectures
meditations and questions andanswers but there's the
meditations questions andanswers that i find quite very
very very interesting but fromthe really fast both from the
reader's perspective is thequestion that answers on because
We're starting to find now thattowards the end of the last,
(04:41):
we've been going now for 12years, it's an appropriate time
for it to finish becauseeverything's based on 12 in the
multiverse, bizarrely enough.
And it's sort of like thequestions are starting to go in
a circle.
So people are starting to askthe same questions that will be
sort of three or four yearslater, not the same people, of
course, but it's the same sortof thing keeps coming out.
(05:02):
So although there's a fewquestions that are, sort of new
news, so to speak, and theanswers are therefore new.
In reality, the vast majority,about 95% of what we're starting
to receive now is starting tobecome sort of repetitious in
terms of the questions andanswers.
So there's a few gems that arecoming out.
(05:23):
Although, having said that, Imean, in terms of the thought
processes that are coming out,specifically in today's world,
there's a few things that arereally quite interesting in
terms of How do we elect ourleaders?
How do we behave as supposedlyadvanced and mature
(05:44):
civilisation?
And so there's things that havecome up literally in the last
two or three months that haveshown us that if we're going to
elect leaders that are basicallygoing to make our decisions for
us because we've chosen them,because we trust them, then
(06:04):
there has to be some form ofchecksum events that allows a
system that is, if you like,aside from or not part of or
completely neutral from theelectress, so to speak.
So that if we end up with anumber of individuals who really
(06:26):
aren't capable, but they've gotthere for whatever reason
because the electress put themthere, then there needs to be
some form of checksum in placethat says, okay, know these
people aren't really capable ofgoverning us in some way shape
or form so they would bebasically told that they can't
go any further and they'll beput to one side and then we'd
invite new individuals to comealong now that might be a group
(06:49):
of individuals who are againparty to their own electoral
process but are completelyneutral to the election process
that's in the that's in thelocation the country you know,
the hemisphere that they're partof, or it might be a piece of
software that it is, you know,it might be a piece of, shall we
dare to say, artificialintelligence that, you know,
(07:09):
that can look at the psychologyof the individuals, the
education, the capability, theleadership potential, you know,
the charisma, you know, allthese different things, you
know, what they've achieved, youknow, how they've been a service
to mankind, you know, between,you know, the point in fact
where their career is to wherethey are now.
And they will make the decisionfor us in a completely neutral
(07:33):
and a side way so that we don'tstart to choose individuals
because we like them.
We choose them because they'reactually capable of doing the
job properly.
And that's one of theinteresting things that's come
out of it, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (07:45):
Yeah, well, it's top of mind, right?
I mean, I think we're all...
feeling a little bit vulnerableright now in terms of what, uh,
what our future holds with, withthe lack of leadership that
we're seeing.
Right.
Um, so I, I guess I'm encouragedthat this is coming up more, um,
(08:07):
in, in what you're dealing withand the people you're dealing
with and all about, you know,kind of a collective
consciousness because, um, youknow, some of the things I see
with, with people, they just,they just blindly follow
whatever their favorite team is,um, regardless of any
independent thought orprocessing as to what really the
right decision criteria shouldbe
SPEAKER_01 (08:30):
yeah well on top of this there's like a progression
from it i mean this this um thisidea of having to check some
effect or the individuals forinstance if there's 12
individuals and they all say yesthis person's capable but one
says actually no then That makesyou think whether they followed
the sort of like thecollectivism rule rather than
(08:51):
sort of, hang on, they're allbeing sheep or whatever.
And therefore they're not reallyunderstanding what's going on in
the background.
If one person does, then maybethat one person is not being
blinded by the others or coercedby the others in some way
because maybe they'recharismatic.
And therefore you've got thepotential to have somebody say,
(09:12):
whoa, let's put the brakes on.
I'm not seeing what you'reseeing.
Why are you seeing it?
Why are you seeing it?
Oh, I'm following him.
Ah, you shouldn't be followinghim.
You should be thinkingindependently.
And so there's that part of itthat comes into it as well.
It's the independent thoughtprocess that I'm finding really
quite intriguing because if wehave a true level of maturity as
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a civilization that is with usfrom an independent, individual
perspective, then, you know, Ifwe have a series of rules,
regulations, laws, if you like,or ways of being or ways of
existing that we recognise asbeing the mark of a mature
advanced civilisation, onethat's capable of going further
(09:58):
and moving off the planet, forexample, or moving up the
frequencies from a spiritualperspective, then do we need
leaders?
Do we need to have individualswho are putting, you know,
exalted positions to govern usif we are governing ourselves in
a mature way where we'rethinking about you know not only
ourselves but the collectivefirst the collective of mankind
(10:21):
first you know what's my choiceand what's my decision process
now going to do to those aroundme how's it going to affect them
how's it going to affect mehow's it going to affect the
environment you know how's itgoing to affect their their
thought processes in the futureAnd so we start to think about
moving away from this idea ofhaving the correct checks in
place to make sure we've got theright type of leaders to being
(10:42):
our own leadership role at alldifferent levels.
And therefore, we start to getthe dawn of collectivism, not
communism, collectivism, wherewe're thinking not only in an
individualized, independent way,but that way is considering it's
going to affect others and theenvironment and the
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circumstances and the thoughtprocesses downstream and that
for me is that's a key point akey milestone if you start to
think about in starting to thinkin these ways and if i'm
thinking about there's otherpeople in my level sort of
thinking about it as well and ifwe are thinking this way then
we're starting to move away fromthis idea of You know, we elect
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individuals as leaders and thoseindividuals can be corrupt or
can start to lose their state ofservice, of leadership and
become, you know, they want tobe in power all the time rather
than letting others, you know,take over.
So how would we...
It's interesting.
SPEAKER_02 (11:44):
I love the conversation.
How would we unwind?
Like the opportunity, I think,just to hear you say this,
because I've been thinkingsimilar things.
I talk to people and...
I don't, you know, I'm notplugged into the collective
consciousness to a degree likeyou are, right?
So I find this very optimisticand encouraging that this is
(12:05):
what's happening in terms of thetotal vibration of the world.
But, you know, taking just theUnited States as an example, you
know, we have a completelycorrupt system.
You know, probably 80 to 90% ofthe people that are our leaders,
quote unquote, are corrupt,right?
(12:25):
How do we unwind that?
Are you picking up anythingthere?
Is there any talk or chatter orideas that you're having in that
situation?
SPEAKER_01 (12:42):
It's going to take a quantum leap in the way we
think, behave and actcollectively to actively decide
actually no we don't need tohave a prime minister we don't
need to have a president wedon't need to have a king or a
queen or a governor or anemperor or a senator but we are
capable of collectively workingtogether and and doing these
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things and it's going to be anot going to be it's difficult
to describe but it's almostgoing to be something that
happens to us on our consciouslevel and you know i sent our
sentence where we decide thatyeah we've We're fed up with
this way of existing, which isnot actually working, where
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we're allowing ourselves toproliferate too much, i.e.
the population is too great inthe world to support it.
We start to consider that weneed to understand that, and I
guess this is the milestone,When we start to understand that
we're not the human body, thatthe human body isn't us, and
therefore we are in a selfishposition where we're trying to
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perpetuate existence for as longas possible in the most
comfortable and affluentmaterialistic way as possible,
we start to realize that we areperpetual and we understand
these on a fundamental basis,not just in an academic basis
where we think, okay, I believethis because this individual's
got all, you know, I've giventhis individual authority in
terms of that thought processand therefore I choose to
believe them.
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they actually experiencesomething that you might want to
call is an out-of-bodyexperience or something
prolonged that gives them theunderstanding that their
sentiences or there's what wecall the soul is perpetual and
is part of a larger volume ofsentence and that larger volume
of sentence is part of anotherlarger volume of sentence that
we start to recognise that thebody is just a vehicle, like a
(14:30):
motor car, like a hire car.
You know, when we go somewhere,if we haven't got a vehicle, we
hire a vehicle, we use it, andsometimes people abuse them, and
then we take them back, andthat's it, and we go and do
whatever we're doing.
When we start to understand thaton a fundamental basis, then the
need for having a governingstructure is no longer required,
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because we start to understandthat collectively, the sentience
starts to connect in thetriangulating type of function
or the direct line triangulationor volumetric triangulation and
we start to think behave and actnot in a hive mind where we lose
our individualized free will buta way where we we still have our
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individualized free will butit's considering the you know
the collective functions as i'vepreviously said but that's got
to come from a higher level ofknowledge or experience where we
start to realize that the bodyis not where we are.
And we know that we can existbeyond the body.
And therefore, there's a reasonto be here and that's to evolve.
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And if we're behaving in a waywhich is not consistent with the
optimal level of evolutionaryprogressional content associated
with our interactions with eachother and the circumstances we
create within the environmentswithin which we exist within,
then we start to work in a waywhich is really of a higher,
(15:58):
mature, civilized, advanced waythat's going to allow us to
ascend the frequency.
SPEAKER_02 (16:05):
And
SPEAKER_01 (16:07):
ultimately, to the point where we've mastered
incarnation because we'll haveunderstood how to be in the
physical but not be of thephysical and be addicted to the
physical
SPEAKER_02 (16:19):
so that that's excellent guy i um you know it
i'm thinking it makes me thinkof some of the things that i've
read and talked to people aboutum well, what is it, you know,
what, what is the greatawakening mean, right?
Like, what is that?
Um, you know, and that goes intoconversations around, you know,
how does it even occur?
Is that triggered by the sun andsystems of light that, that,
(16:40):
that are triggering this?
And, but, but even just stickingwith the point of what is it,
um, you know, one of the thingsthat sticks out to me that, that
I've learned and that Iassociate with it, whether it's
right or wrong, I don't know,but, um, that it's basically,
we're, we're moving toward a,um, a system and an existence
and a reality where we don'teven, we can't even comprehend
(17:01):
the negative choices, likemaking a choice to where it
would hurt someone else.
Like we were getting, we'removing toward a position where
that choice will not evenmanifest itself in our, in our
thought process.
Is that, am I on the right trackthere?
I'm just trying to help bridgethe gap here with what I've
heard and also helps theaudience understand a little bit
(17:22):
more in depth of what we'retalking about here.
SPEAKER_01 (17:24):
Yeah, it's a state of beingness where that type of
thought process is outside ofour consideration, our psyche.
Let me give you an example.
Most individuals will notconsider the fundamentals of the
downward spiral that could occurto them karmically by throwing
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the sweet wrapper out the carwindow.
because that's the start point.
Something as simple as that is astart point of thinking, well, I
don't need to sort of take therubbish out of my car, pull the
trash out of my car and put itinto a bin properly.
I can put it out the windowbecause it's somebody else's job
to clean up after them.
If we start to takeresponsibility for ourselves and
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that state of beingness startsto create a condition within
ourselves where we feel goodabout ourselves and we
understand that when we do theright choices, it actually makes
us feel better that we arebetter that we attract those
around us who are also the samethought process then you know
rather than collecting togetherto um be a similar similar mind
(18:35):
or or process to see forinstance a football team or a
hockey team or a or a cyclingclub or a rock group or a you
know or a golfing professionalthese people that we sort of
decide to follow because Theygive us a, if you like, a
horizon line to head for, youknow, a state of beingness or
(18:58):
wealth.
But we start to think, well,actually, we don't need to have
these icons because we're ourown icon, provided we let
ourselves go down that road.
And actually, when we do go downthat road, okay, it's a bit of a
battle at first.
You know, do I open the windowto put the sweeper up ahead?
Do I drop it in the car?
Or do I leave it where it'ssupposed to be, in the sweep
wrapper packet?
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And then the sweep wrapperpacket gets thrown in the bin
properly at home.
So it's making that choice andconsistently making those
choices and how it makes us feelbetter is going to be the start
point of the cascade.
And as we do it, and people say,well, why are you so happy?
(19:40):
And you explain why you're beinghappy.
And they go, well, I fancy someof that because I'm really quite
miserable and frustrated rightnow.
And so doing the right thing, itmust create some level of
endorphin response within thebrain.
And energetically, there must besomething that creates that
level of physical response.
And so if we can lead byexample, then people start to
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catch on that that person'shappy.
I want to be as happy as thatperson.
What are you doing?
It's not creating a cult, it'screating a change in thought
process.
SPEAKER_02 (20:13):
Yeah, it's excellent.
I couldn't be more excited aboutwhat you're saying.
I mean, it's hard not to getdiscouraged, right?
I mean, I just, I don't, I don'ttry not to watch the news.
I really just don't want to getthat programming, you know, be,
be associated with that.
It was on this morning when Iwalked through the kitchen, uh,
(20:35):
cause my wife was trying tocheck out the weather and, you
know, I just get, get thisprogramming of this horrible
negativity of all this stuffthat's going on here in Denver,
Colorado.
And, um, it's really hard,right.
With the media and everybodythat's so interested and
intrigued by those negativeheadlines and that negative
(20:56):
click bait.
And, um, it's the fear and theanxiety is just, it's constantly
being pushed.
Um, And so I know a lot of ourlisteners are listening to this
and they're thinking tothemselves, yeah, this would be
great, but is this real?
When's this going to happen,right?
Do we need someone to come downfrom the stars to get our
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attention?
Do we need the second coming ofChrist?
Whatever your belief system maybe, do we need something like
that to trigger this?
Because it's just so negative,right?
What do you say to that?
SPEAKER_01 (21:31):
Well, The second coming of Christ isn't a person
coming along to save us.
It's us saving ourselvesinternally.
I believe
SPEAKER_02 (21:40):
that too.
SPEAKER_01 (21:41):
We're purified.
To be Christian needs to bepurified.
And when John the Baptist usedto wash the sins away of the
individuals who came to betaught by him and therefore his
colleague Jesus, he wasbasically saying, you can start
again now.
Forget what happened in thepast.
UNKNOWN (22:02):
Start
SPEAKER_01 (22:02):
again as a fresh individual you're now purified
and to be christian to bepurified so the second coming of
christ is us collectivelystarting to think in a pure way
rather than a negativematerialistic way it is so super
easy to go down the karmic routeof gossip and talk about
somebody else and go againstthem because we're entering into
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a level of group communion youknow a common process, we've got
a common subject to talk about.
Let's talk about X down the roadwho's probably overweight or,
you know, he's struggling towalk or isn't, you know, doesn't
have a nice car or a new car,he's driving a 25-year-old car
around.
You know, all these different,or doesn't mow the lawn every
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week, you know.
All these different things arethe things that we sort of snap
upon.
I think, okay, yeah.
And we go into it without eventhinking about it.
You know, it's It's like fallingasleep.
And that's basically what we aredoing.
We're falling asleep.
We're falling asleep and goingdown the frequencies because we
choose to be part of thecollective and the subject that
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keeps the collective together ina negative way is gossip.
Any form of gossip, whether it'sabout an individual, whether
it's about a circumstance,whether it's about an accident,
whether it's about a, you know,um state of the weather you know
if it's negative and we we tendto gravitate towards it easier
so what we need to do is peoplewho are a bit more a bit more
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aware and awake is to change itover and say you know well i
don't choose to talk negativelyabout people always see
something positive in peopleokay they might have these
traits but at the end of the daythey're a soul and they're
struggling through theirincarnation and they're
struggling to exist in a lowfrequency environment which is
bombarding them every day everysecond of every hour of every
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day with the potential to gainkarma gain addiction to being
here or have to work out karmain another life and and if we
can help them in some way by byshowing them love or
understanding and then not byeducating them fully on yeah not
like i'm saying you should bethink behaving acting this way
(24:19):
but shown by example again theysay well why are you happy you
know well i'm doing this and i'mdoing that ah does it make you
feel happy well yeah because i'mfeeling refreshed and i'm
feeling that you know i've got afunction in the world and i'm
evolving as a funk is a state ofit and that's when you start to
see so-called felons orcriminals who might um even in
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the even in in prison they havethey're having these aha moments
maybe they've seen something orthey've experienced the thought
process with themselves and theyrealize that you know not only
can they make a difference tothemselves maybe they can make a
difference to other people by bychanging the way that they are
and it makes them feel betterand because and making them feel
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better makes them go up theheight in the higher frequencies
it's not egotistical it's just astate of beingness.
We feel better and we feellighter when we're in a higher
frequency.
And so being a good example isthe best teacher of all.
SPEAKER_02 (25:16):
Yeah, it's interesting.
It also reminds me of somethingelse that I've recently noticed.
Not you know, don't, don'treally like to look back in life
because, you know, I think a lotof the experiences we have get
us to where we are, right?
You realize certain things aboutwhat you did or didn't do, and
it evolves you, um, as aspiritual being.
(25:38):
But one of the things that, uh,I've been thinking about lately
that I wish I would have knownwhen I was younger, um, is just
a, it's more of a philosophical,um, it's exactly kind of, I
think it's in line with whatyou're saying, but it's, it's,
if you look at people insituations, um, And if your
default is the people are doingthe best they can, if you
(26:03):
default there as opposed tothose a-holes are doing this and
they're trying to get me thisway, it changes the entire
perspective and you feel betterabout your life.
It's such a much better way toassume that when things happen
that those people are doing thebest they can and they, they
(26:23):
just don't know for whateverreason, or they've got other
things that they've got to do,like whatever it is, like
somebody cuts you off intraffic, somebody, you know, is,
is rude to you or fires you fromyour job or all, all kinds of
things.
If you, if you can get to thepoint where, at least for me, I
found this to be helpful.
If I can get to that point whereI can assume and get to that
default and I'm not perfect atit, it's, it's, it's a constant
(26:46):
battle.
Um, but I'm getting a lot betterat it.
Um, that I feel better, right?
And I think that that, you know,I think that that helps the
world because I'm not releasingthat low vibration anger and
even thinking it, right?
If you can just get toimmediately, because even
thinking that stuff isn't thebest thing for our collective
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consciousness, as I understandit.
SPEAKER_01 (27:11):
That's right.
I mean, if we think negativethoughts, even though we might
not broadcast them vocally, thenthat energy sort of is broadcast
around and is picked up by usand we start to sort of get
absorbed by it or absorb it.
So without doubt, theopportunity to be the good
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example is the way not only tohelp us evolve, it helps others
evolve because we learn byexample.
If you look at how everybodylearns by example, Okay, we go
to school, we go to college, wego to university, maybe we do
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doctorates, PhDs, maybe becomeprofessors, et cetera, et
cetera.
But at the end of the day, thefundamental learning point is
when we're in the womb.
The soul is attaching itself tothe embryo, getting more
acquainted with that particularvehicle as it starts to grow.
And whilst it's starting togrow, they're hearing the
mother's thoughts, they'rehearing the father's thoughts,
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the potential sibling'sthoughts, and other things that
are affecting them.
And then when it's born, theystart to go through the process
of being educated by, you know,they listen to the way in which
the parents and the siblings, ifthey've got them, are
communicating to each other.
So they learn speech.
And they learn mannerisms.
They learn likes and dislikesbased upon the circumstances and
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the likes and dislikes and theway that parents think, behave
and act.
I mean, how many times haveindividuals started a career
because one of their parents wasdoing that career.
Doctors become doctors becausetheir parents are a doctor.
Or they become scientists orengineers.
And certainly, both me and mybrother became engineers because
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my father was an engineer.
And we went down that route.
I know people all over the worldwho've become lawyers because
their parents are a lawyer.
Or because they had an oldersibling who was going down that
road.
So we tend to gravitate towardsthat which we know.
So if we can create a conditionwhere we're not being educated
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to do things wrong because one,our parents are out of work, or
two, they're on drugs, or three,they're felons, that we're
educated to go in thatdirection.
There ought to be somethinginvolved where if that's the
case, then there ought to be adifferent level of um
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interaction with people tochange the education process
from going that way to goingthat way and therefore the when
we start to get that and westart to get the leading by
example and education by exampleroutine going which creates the
start of collectivism then we'vegot the chance of moving away
from the the mass level ofnegative thought process and
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materialism that we get in thereworldwide and people start to
think in the collective functioninstead it's going to take three
or four generations but if youknow if you're starting to think
that way independently i amothers as well then it's
starting to you know starting topermeate the the overall human
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psyche and the things that arehappening around the world now
People are starting to objectit.
This isn't the way we want youto govern us or the way we want
to live.
We want to be able to think,behave, and act in a way which
is going to be of benefit to us,allow us to have a nice life,
but also allow us to have a nicelife as well, which isn't a
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materialistic thought process.
It's a state of, I suppose,nirvana on earth where we all
That's right.
Peace on
SPEAKER_02 (31:01):
earth, right?
Why not peace?
It's such an obvious desire, Ithink.
And I think more and more it'sbecoming that way.
And I'm trying to figure out howto transition this conversation
into another area.
And I think one of the thingsthat I've been learning a lot
(31:25):
about And I read a recent postthat you had posted about
something similar too.
So it's this idea that thereare, you know, and I don't want
to, I'm not trying tosensationalize it for our
audience.
I'm not trying to scare anybody.
You know, it's kind of a toughconversation.
But there are, in myunderstanding, there are
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entities, incarnates, spirits,beings, things that are outside
of our true selves that areconstantly trying to, um, occupy
either our body or our energyfields to, to survive, I guess,
or to get that energy.
Um, can you, and I readsomething that you had posted
(32:11):
recently about, um, These werecalled demons back in the day,
and then these demons wereencountered by, you know, Jesus
had some experiences where hecured people, and I think some
of the conversation that you hadin this post was around him
being able to basically removethese incarnates or entities
from these other people'sfields, and that was the cure,
(32:34):
so to speak.
Yeah.
I guess as I learn about this,it opens up a lot of questions.
How can we as individualsprotect our bodies and our
containers from being parasiticentities or spirits, whatever
they may be?
And the second part of that isif this is the way that it is,
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then doesn't that mean probablythis is the problem with our
leaders, right?
Our leaders may be overcome withthese sorts of negative
influences and therefore may beimmune to this evolution of
positive thinking that we justdiscussed.
Am I onto something here?
Can you just give me a reactionto this?
SPEAKER_01 (33:20):
It's well understood within certain spiritual, I was
going to call them circles,levels of understanding that
there are entities that existthat we call astral entities.
that exist as a function of thesort of Darwinian evolution of
energy over a long period.
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And there's those that arecreated by our negative thoughts
when we just think negativethoughts about somebody or we
think that, you know, I wishthis person would this or that.
So we're quite powerful sentiententities and we can create these
things.
Now, they exist in frequencylevels above where we can see
with our physical eyes.
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and so they exist in the fourthfifth sixth and seventh
frequencies now the ones thatare in the fifth the sixth and
seventh frequencies they'rethey're less likely to try to
overtly take energy from usbecause basically the astral
entities that although they'recreated they have a they're a
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bit like a battery can recordthat they have their own energy
for for a time and then theyhave to take energy from
somebody else or something elsethat can be any sort of any any
vehicle has got a sentienceaspect to it, such as the soul
of some sort.
And so these entities are aboveour visual range, but they're
still in a range where otherbody types can be incarnated
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into.
In the physical universe,there's another line of levels.
The first three levels, where weare right now, are to create the
gross physical.
Scientists call it the thirddimension, but in my
understanding, that's wrongbecause dimensions or full
dimensions are much higherpieces of structure.
What they're using is adescription for volume, which is
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height, one dimension, width,another dimension, and depth,
another dimension.
The drawing, for example,understanding volume.
But these These entities can bein these levels.
And we can have other body typesin these higher levels as well.
So there's nine levels abovethat.
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I mean, Dolores Cannon talksabout the next level being the
new Earth, but I thought itwould be people would leave this
one Earth and go into thatEarth.
Well, the answer is yes and no.
They're not two Earths.
It's the same Earth, but higherfrequency.
So individuals who go into thatEarth tend to, through ascension
and good living processes, goodservice-based living processes,
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are still there.
They're still on Earth.
And individuals of that levelwould observe them, perceive
them.
But people on the lower levelswouldn't because they've been
above their visual range.
And the visual range is afunction also of the use of the
spiritual third eye.
So there's two things happeningthere.
Now, from that perspective,there's obviously body types
that we as sentients can beincarnated into and all the
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different frequencies associatedwith the physical universe.
But there's these entities whichcome which are created through
the Darwinian evolution ofenergy and our aggressive
thought processes againstindividuals that need to
continue their existence bytaking energy from people.
So they take energy from theauric layers, which are
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basically the waste product ofthe metabolisation of energies
from the chakras, which areenergy receivers, and the
associated energy templates thatcreate the possibility of the
manifestation of a body form,which in this instance is the
human body.
So they can take energy from usand they can occupy us.
And they sometimes create acommand and control condition
(37:01):
where they're governing thethought process of the host, for
example.
You know, the so-called personwho's been told by demons to do
this or do that.
On the other side, they cancreate a synergetic effect where
the individual can be given afeeling of power or coercive
ability or charisma orleadership role because the
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entity is giving away a littlebit of energy that makes them
attractive to others.
So there are times when entitiescreate this synergy with their
host, and they coexist togetherbecause they're benefiting each
other.
But there's also conditionswhere we can overindulge in
certain things, such as drugs oralcohol, where the body becomes
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too low frequency for the soulto stay in it.
So the soul has to get outtemporarily.
In this instance, there areother souls that have finished
their incarnation, but theyhaven't quite understood that
they've finished theirincarnation, and or they're
addicted to some of theexperiences of being in the
incarnate vehicle, such as,again, experiencing drunkenness
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or experiencing drugs, that sortof stuff.
So they can move into the bodybecause the primary animating
soul is no longer there.
And so that's when you get achange of personality involved
with somebody who's drunkbecause there's another soul in
there.
But the other soul is usuallyangry or frustrated because it
can't stay there all the timeand the energies start to
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become, and the frequenciesassociated with those energies
that are the body, start tobecome disharmonious to them.
So there's a bit of a fightinggoing on because this soul
shouldn't be in that body unlessit's a walk-in, a walk-in soul
that's had the walk-inpre-planned before the
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incarnation starts, for example.
Then we see souls coming in andout.
Sometimes you get like anaccident and the personality
changes because the soul that'staken the body to that point in
maturity has decided that's thetime to leave.
And then the soul comes inbecause it doesn't want to go
through the gestation process orthe education process, those
sorts of things.
So you get souls can walk in inan aggressive function because
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the body's disharmonious becausethey're taking your drugs or
having too many too many beersor whiskeys etc etc and they've
got those that can come in as apart of a part of the plan on
the other side you have bodiesthat have more than one soul and
because of the function theyhave to do now there's a number
(39:36):
of different leaders in theworld who've got more than one
soul in the body and althoughthey're not the the primary
animating soul they're there togive the animating soul advice
on how to experience or how towork with different
circumstances or differentleadership roles for example
presidents might do or primeministers or kings might do
certainly those individuals whoare in leadership roles when
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there's a significant functionto do like in war times those
sorts of things they'll have toyou know make people work
together in a in a way which isunseen normally i mean how many
people you know would willinglygo to the war you know the
potential to not come back agreat potential to not come back
(40:19):
lots of people sort ofvolunteering to go into the army
and the navy and and and the airforce because they were they had
seen the light of this thisindividual who was you know a
very charismatic verycharismatic leader that charisma
and also the leadershipqualities might not be
specifically associated with onesoul but other souls within the
(40:39):
same body now In the averagesense, not in the specific sense
of a body type being used to bea great leader, it's not
uncommon, not every day, thatthere's more than one soul in
the body, naturally, becausethere's an agreement that, for
(41:01):
instance, one soul would be theprimary animating soul that's
the soul that's experiencing theincarnation and interacting with
individuals in the circumstancesthey create within the
environments they create and theothers are just experiencing the
incarnation not interacting atall but there are times when
maybe a soul or two or there'smore than more than two more
(41:22):
three maybe they get a bitenthusiastic and they want to
participate and then you startto get instances where a person
will start to talk to otherindividuals that aren't there,
or they're hearing voices intheir minds and they're arguing
against these voices andeverything else, and maybe the
one voice is saying, yeah, dothis and do that, or experience
this or experience that, andmaybe that soul's taking over,
(41:45):
actually doing it.
So there's three basic scenariosthere that describe where you've
got astral entities taking over,influencing the individual, or
in fact creating a synergeticeffect, You've got souls that
have left their incarnation, butthey haven't left the
frequencies of the earth.
(42:05):
They're still thinking they'reincarnate, or they're seeking to
experience the sensationsassociated with incarnation.
So they seek out individualswhose souls have left their
bodies because they have becomeparalytic with drink or alcohol.
they're passed out because thedrugs may take over the body
(42:27):
temporarily and then you've gotthe souls who are part of you
know let's call them thebackseat passenger souls who are
experiencing the incarnation butnot interacting with the
incarnation who get a bitenthusiastic and trying to take
over so so in that instancethere's there's these different
types of interaction with withsouls and and entities and the
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the blog that's um i sent outwhich is a which was basically a
a question and answer betweenmyself and Ulla Sarmiento of
bigpicture.com who we worktogether on doing the Satsanga
books we've managed for probably11 years now I suppose asked
(43:10):
these questions so I gave theseanswers I actually did a
recording she transcribed andshe said these are good and she
gives these wonderful blogsthey're far superior to mine
they're really superblyillustrated and she said you
know do you want to try to blogit so I'll blog it and then
obviously make a point of who'sdone it.
So he worked together quitewell.
But it's interesting that theexamples that she was working
(43:35):
on, which were examples of thelife of Jesus in terms of he
removed demons from threedifferent entities.
One was Mary Magdalene, one wasan aggressive individual
wielding a knife in themarketplace or something.
I think the other one was a itwas a young adult who had to be
(43:56):
struck down the bed because thethe soul was trying to take over
and it was interesting that whati picked up and i mean i think
the from where they got it fromwas a i think it's a program
called chosen week it's anotherway of depicting the life of
jesus i think yeah yep um it'sinteresting that these examples
are actually not just examplesof jesus removing these entities
(44:17):
and he would have had to havedone a significantly larger
amount of work than just say youknow leave her or leave him
there'd be a lot more a lot moreenergetic work to do than that
um but there are good examplesof the different types in way
which entities can in in factinteract with us synergetically
or not as the case may be andhow different souls can interact
with us in a non-corporal way
SPEAKER_02 (44:42):
very interesting so if whenever i hear your
description of that it makes methink of um there's a There's a
gentleman here in the UnitedStates by the name of Bob Lazar,
who used to work at Area 51.
I don't know if you've heard ofBob.
SPEAKER_01 (44:59):
Yeah, I know Bob Lazar.
Don't know him personally, but Iknow of him and what he was
experiencing.
SPEAKER_02 (45:05):
So the clip that I'm referring to is when Bob, they
ask him about religion.
And I really liked Bob'sresponse.
response because he doesn't putany hypotheses or you know it
may be this or that he juststates the facts of he said
there was a file you know aboutthree or four inches thick that
he was privy to um when he wasworking there um at area 51 and
(45:30):
it was on religion and they youknow the the commentator asked
him about this on the video thati saw it's like okay well what
did you learn and bob says itjust says that we're containers
And that, you know, and so thenthe commentator is like pushing
him on that.
What does that mean?
What does it mean?
He's like, you know, you canmake it mean whatever you want,
(45:52):
but you asked me what the filessaid, and the files say that
religion was created simply tohelp us have a reason to protect
the containers that we're in.
What are your thoughts on that?
How does that work?
know how you know what where'sthe accuracy in that what what
(46:12):
are your um differences ofopinion there
SPEAKER_01 (46:15):
i was starting with the word i think i'm not gonna
be more accurate than that
SPEAKER_02 (46:19):
yeah
SPEAKER_01 (46:19):
yeah in my experience in my experience all
religions have the same root butwith a different uh voice of
authority to explain how tomaintain connectivity with who
and what we really are whilstwe're in a low frequency
environment.
So how to stay high frequencyand therefore maintain our
(46:39):
communicative bandwidth.
On top of that, you start torealise that that's also
teaching us that we're not thebody, that the body is a
container, a vehicle, to allowus to navigate around the
environment that we're in.
In this instance, it's theearth.
And so How to maintain thevehicle, how to interact with
(47:02):
the vehicle and how to maintainthe interaction at the right
level with other individuals intheir containers is a way in
which we can maintain our higherfrequency.
How to maintain our higherfrequency, we maintain our
communicative bandwidth, whichmeans we know who we are and
what we are, even though we'rein a low frequency environment.
(47:23):
So it's a little bit like scubadiving.
When we go scuba diving, We losemost of our senses apart from
our hearing.
Our hearing is the only thingthat really, really stands out.
Because sound in water, I thinkit travels 30 times faster than
the air.
I might be wrong with that.
So don't hold me over the cold.
It's wrong.
But being a diver, I seem toremember that's about what it
(47:43):
is.
But we start to lose colour inour eyes.
We lose feeling in our handsbecause the skin gets
waterlogged.
And of course, we can't smell.
We've got a diving mask on.
And the only thing we can tasteis the salt water.
So we start to becomemonochromatic in most of our
senses.
So we're losing a lot of ourcommunicative ability with our
(48:06):
environments because the sensesare part of how we interact with
the environment and how wenavigate around it.
We can't speak because we'rehaving to breathe through an
aqualung.
So we can't breathe the water.
There's suggestions that wemight be able to, but we can't
breathe the water.
So that's an example of beingdown in a low frequency
(48:28):
environment.
But being in a higher frequencyenvironment is like being in the
air where we normally are, andtherefore we can use our five
senses and body language to beable to communicate, and
intuition, of course, to be ableto communicate with other
individuals who are in the air.
So the ability to maintain ahigh frequency state in a
(48:49):
low-frequency environment.
And the different ways we can dothat, mindfulness with Buddhism,
Christianity by being of serviceto each other and teaching
others how to be.
We've got similar things withIslam and Judaism.
They're all different ways ofexplaining the same thing.
But the different teachers are adifferent specialism, basically,
(49:10):
that still led to the samething.
The problem is...
over the years the quality ofthe teacher has disappeared and
the ability to be able tobroadcast what they are
experiencing themselves havedisappeared because they're not
experiencing it anymore and thenit becomes a control medium so
the religions are basically youknow completely out of context
(49:34):
from what they were originallydesigned to do which is to help
us maintain our higher frequencyin one particular way that a
particular master understood.
And therefore, we can maintainour communicative ability and
know who and what we are.
And in doing that, it allows usto understand that the body, the
(49:54):
container, is simply a vehicleto allow us to navigate around
the earth.
So you can see that what BobLazar was saying in very basic
terms is that he understood thatfrom the information that was
there, that the body is just acontainer for a volume of
(50:16):
sentience, which is experiencinga lower frequency environment,
i.e.
us in a diving suit experiencinga lower frequency environment,
which is being under the water.
SPEAKER_02 (50:26):
That's great.
And it kind of takes us backfull circle, which is, you know,
we just need to get more peoplerealizing that making the right
choices feels better.
Because if it feels better, thenwe do more of it, right?
UNKNOWN (50:39):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (50:40):
I mean, if we started to know, not feel or
believe, but know that we areperpetual and everything we do
is done in the right way,provides a level of evolutionary
acceleration, and therefore westart to increase our evolution
(51:01):
to the point where we no longerneed to be here, then wouldn't
we think behaviour act in a moremature way?
Let's help each other, climb theladder.
I mean, look at how, when wehave environmental catastrophes,
people don't worry about whetherthe person that's helping them
is a criminal.
And the criminal doesn't botherabout whether the person that's
(51:24):
helping them is a doctor or alawyer.
You're all helping each otherget out of trouble.
You're all clubbing together.
You're all helping each othermove people out of the rubble to
save the baby, to save the dog,to save the cat.
you know, to move away from thefire.
If it's a bushfire, for example,we all work together, not with
the COVID-19.
You know, we've had COVID.
(51:44):
There was a whole communityworking together, albeit in a
correct spacing process, to helpeach other in our everyday life.
You know, people would go to theshops and help people who
couldn't go to the shops becausethey were isolated, for example.
We were working collectivelytogether.
We were working in a collectiveway.
We were starting to haveexperience collectivism again.
(52:06):
The unfortunate thing was itdidn't last long enough to get
it ingrained in our psyche.
So we very quickly came back tothe individual states of
selfishness, basically.
But we start to see, again,strife that the people in Gaza
are experiencing.
And they're all working togetherbecause they're experiencing
something which they'recollectively experiencing, not
(52:29):
just one or two areexperiencing.
So they're all helping eachother out.
And so when we start to thinkthat know these are these events
are they're designed to help usstop focusing ourselves and
start focusing on all of uswe've all got to help each other
because if i help them they'llhelp me etc then we start to see
that again we come around thefull circle again where if we
(52:51):
start to think behave and act ina collective way not a hive mind
but a collective way then we'regoing to descend the frequencies
and move beyond the need to behere
SPEAKER_02 (53:02):
Yeah, I think that's a great spot to wrap up.
Guy, I really appreciate yourtime.
It's always awesome catching upwith you.
And I think let's end there onthat positivity because that's
what it's all about, right?
SPEAKER_01 (53:14):
Exactly.
Why be negative when you can bepositive?
I don't remember how manymuscles are involved now, but
there's significantly moremuscles associated with training
than there is in smiling.
So why waste energy?
Yeah,
SPEAKER_02 (53:30):
totally.
Guy Needler, thank you so much.
Have a wonderful day and stickaround just for a second and
I'll stop the recording, butthank you so much for joining
SPEAKER_01 (53:43):
us.
Thank you very much.
SPEAKER_00 (53:49):
Thanks for listening to Ashley on Nothing But The
Truth for a Better You and Me.
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