Ashley On - The Discovery of Noah's Ark with Andrew Jones

In this episode, we dive into the geological and technological foundations behind the discovery of Noah's Ark with Noah’s Ark Scans researcher Andrew Jones. From the mineral composition of the ancient site to the latest in scanning and vibrational imaging technology, Andrew walks us through the historical timeline and the scientific methods that prove the discovery of the ancient Ark. We explore how cutting-edge tools are being used to validate this ancient shipwreck and decode the energetic properties embedded in one of Earth's most mysterious legends. If you're interested in the convergence of science, history, and technology, this conversation is packed with insight and evidence.

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SPEAKER_03 (00:24):
Hello and welcome to the show.
Today's show is a great...
Great episode.
Um, we're talking to AndrewJones from Noah's arc scans.com.
Andrew is leading the expeditionnow in Turkey, um, to document
and conduct all of thescientific surveys, um, around
what is believed to be Noah'sarc, which resides on the side

(00:47):
of a mountain, a Mount Arafat.
And, um, he's bringing scienceto the conversation, um, in the
face of, you know, local turmoiland a difficult environment to
work, um, as well as a lot ofskepticism out there about the
existence of Noah's Ark.
Um, Andrew has discovered Noah'sArk and I think with this

(01:08):
episode, all the science that heshares, um, is overwhelming
evidence to me, um, that he hasfound Noah's Ark and I look
forward to his continuedresearch to prove it even
further.
But even so far, they'vediscovered, um, what scientists
are saying with 95% confidencelevel, that this is a boat

(01:31):
resting on the side of thismountain.
And it does match the dimensionsalmost exactly of what the Bible
describes as being the size andshape of Noah's Ark.
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Hello, Andrew Jones.
Welcome to the show.
Thank you for joining us today.

SPEAKER_01 (03:53):
Thank you for having me.
Glad to be here.

SPEAKER_03 (03:57):
It's great to meet you.
I'm so excited for thisconversation.
So, you know, just for ouraudience...
You're leading the expeditionthat's discovering Noah's Ark.
Tell us about that.

SPEAKER_01 (04:11):
Yeah.
So, well, this site wasdiscovered before 1959 on
September 11th.
A Turkish army captain, his namewas Ilhan Durupanar, he
discovered it.
He was hired by the, he wasworking for the Turkish
military.
He was mapping out EasternTurkey.
And 1959 was the year thatTurkey joined NATO.

(04:33):
And so during the Cold War,their eastern border was on, you
know, their boundary was withthe Soviet Union at the time.
And so this area is veryimportant to map out.
And he was looking at these highaltitude aerial photographs, and
he discovered this boat shape,like popping out of the ground
on the side of one of themountains, in the mountains of

(04:54):
Eretz.
And so he got very excited andthey made an announcement one
week later that we believe thatNozark had been discovered.
And so I hit the Turkish press,but the first photographs
actually came out a month laterand that went around the world.
This photograph in black andwhite of this boat-shaped object
sitting on the side of themountain.

(05:15):
And yeah, so...
Is that

SPEAKER_03 (05:18):
the image on the screen behind you?

SPEAKER_01 (05:21):
This was from 61, the black and white one on my...
I guess the right side.
Yeah, so that was a couple yearslater.
That was a low...
If I move over, you can see alittle better.
That was a low flying, lowaerial photograph.
That was by Ara Guler.
He was a famous Turkishphotographer.
And again, the Turkish militaryhired him and put him in a

(05:44):
little biplane or something.
He said he was scared to deathlater on when they interviewed
him.
But they flew right off theground, right off the
mountainside there.
And he got some really greatphotographs.
But the famous one was from theAnd I do have pictures, but I
don't know if you could use themon a podcast, but at any rate,
the famous one was from 59.

(06:05):
That one was high altitude.
That's awesome.

SPEAKER_03 (06:08):
Yeah.
Maybe, maybe you could send themto me after this.
And for those who are watchingon YouTube, we could, I can put
them onto the actual stream ofthis when I record it.
Sure.
Yeah.
So this is fantastic.
So let's go back in time, Iguess, and tell us about
yourself first.
Like what, so tell us about youand how you got interested in
this and what your background isin.

SPEAKER_01 (06:29):
Yeah.
So fast forward.
So I wasn't around 59, but fastforward to early 90s when I was
in middle school, a man namedRon Wyatt came out to California
where I was living at the time.
And it was a Thursday.
I remember it was a Thursdaynight and I was a geek back
then.
Probably still am.
But I had to do homework.
I didn't want to skip out onsome homework due the next day.

(06:50):
But his meeting was a Thursdaynight.
This guy who said he had foundNoah's Ark.
And so my dad went, instead Isaid, father, I said, dad, can
you go see what this guy has tosay and check out his material
and all his data?
And so my dad came back andsaid, yeah, this man said he
found Noah's Ark and otherthings.
And so I had to get his bookbecause he said he had a little

(07:10):
booklet.
So I bought it.
And so this was 1990 or 91 whenthis happened.
And at that time there was nointernet.
So that was like four or fiveyears later, people started
using the internet.
So I went ahead and called 411.
I wanted to talk to this man.
I had all these questions.
I was just a kid, you know,early teens.

(07:32):
And so I called 411.
The operator passed me through.
He said, yeah, we have a RonWhite in Madison, Tennessee.
Here's the number.
And you want me to connect you?
I said, yeah.
And the guy picked up.
And so I was very nervous, but Iasked all these questions and he
said, well, you know, call meback tomorrow.
I just got back from the MiddleEast.
And so I did, I called him backthe next day and I talked to him
for hours.

(07:53):
Um, and then the next afterthat, I called him again with
more questions.
And then from then on, frommiddle school until high school
ended in the mid nineties andinto college, uh, I was having
the phone conversation withpeople involved with the site,
uh, Ron Wyatt, David Fasold,these early explorers in the
eighties who had, uh, Seeing theinitial reports from 1959 to

(08:14):
1960, they were in their 20s atthe time, and then Ron White
came out in the 1970s, and hestarted his research in the 80s,
and that hit the news.
And then he started doingmeetings in different churches
and groups, and that's how I gotinterested in the site as a kid.
Finally, in 1995 and 1996, Iinvited Ron White to come out to

(08:35):
Sacramento, California.
California.
And we hosted him and he did abunch of meetings there over a
weekend twice.
Then in 97, that was my firsttrip out to the site.
A friend of mine, Bill Fry, whois no longer around, but Bill
and I went out there and heneeded a travel companion.
He called me and I was ready togo.
And it was an amazing four orfive days, that first trip out

(08:57):
here.
We were kind of scared to deathto be out here.
We heard a lot of bad things onEastern Turkey and Being
kidnapped or robbed or whatever.
Kind of like the Wild West.
And so then in 2000, when I cameout for two trips out here, we
met Salih Brak Tutan, who's oneof our lead investigators.

(09:20):
He's a retired geologist now,associate professor of geology.
He used to teach in EasternTurkey, but he's like the expert
for this region for geology.
And so I became good friendswith him.
And he was just here with ourtour group, actually, explaining
things to the group about thehistory of geology and the
research that he's done.

(09:42):
Well, after 2000, I was notreally involved in anything out
here.
I was doing research.
volunteer excavations in Israel.
Myself, though, I went intocomputer programming.
Right when I went into college,my parents said, don't go into
archaeology because it's notgoing to pay you anything.
You'll always be fundraising.

(10:02):
They said, make that a serioushobby and instead go get a
different career.
And I'm glad I listened to them.
But I still want to go backsomeday and get a degree in it.
But anyway, so I went tocomputer programming and that
paid my bills and was able tolet me travel and do things like
this.
But I came back to Turkeyfinally in 2013 and reconnected

(10:23):
with old friends out here andthen got involved in trying to
do more work because Ron Whitehad already passed away.
David Fassel passed away.
These old, the originalexplorers and promoters of the
site who did all this pioneeringresearch They were no longer
around.
And so we got permission and weactually had the Science

(10:46):
Channel, which is owned byDiscovery Channel, come out in
2019.
And that was the first year thatwe did a complete survey of the
ark using the radar to lookbelow the ground and see all
what we could, differentsubstructures, if there's any
there.
And it happened that the ScienceChannel was able to film the
work.
And that kind of started ourmost recent efforts on the site.

(11:09):
From then on, we were trying todo anything possible to get the
Turks interested in the siteagain.
They had initially built thevisitor center back in 1988 or
87, but they kind of like leftthe site alone and the visitor
center was in disrepair.
And yeah, people could still goup there, but it had an elderly

(11:30):
man running the place and thevisitor center was empty and no
one was doing research on thesite.
So we kind of picked up the balland ran with it.
And that's kind of where we'reat today.
Last year, we did soil analysis.
So some of these things havebeen in the news.
The GPR scans, 2019, and the newsoil analysis.
Those are the two big items thathit the news the last six

(11:53):
months.
So let's go into

SPEAKER_03 (11:55):
that.
Tell us a little bit about whatyou have found and how maybe
that differs from some of thepast research that's been done.
And obviously you have access tomore modern technology.
So let's, let's go into thatnow.

SPEAKER_01 (12:08):
Well, so the reason I like to backtrack though,
because people might not realizethis, but the reason people are
entering this site, number one,there's this boat shape on the
side of a mountain and then theBible in Genesis chapter eight,
verse four, where, where Moseswrote, the location where Noah's
Ark landed, he didn't give usthe GPS.
All he said was the mountains ofArarat.

(12:30):
So if you look at that phrase,mountains of Ararat, Ararat
comes from an older word,Urartu.
Now, I just went through the VonMuseum where I'm at right now
here in eastern Turkey.
And the Von Museum here has themain artifacts for the kingdom
of Urartu.
This was an Iron Age kingdom,but they started much earlier.
And they cover this territory,this mountainous region of

(12:52):
eastern Turkey.
So it would be like me writingtoday, Noah's Ark landed in the
mountains of Turkey or Canada.
So the mountains of Araratdidn't name a peak.
It just says in this mountainousregion.
And so here in this mountainousregion where the Bible says
Noah's Ark should be, you'refinding this boat-shaped object.
Now, there's a couple of thingsabout that.

(13:12):
Number one, there are criticswho say, well, no, the ark
should have been a barge, thisrectangular thing.
flat bottom barge that justfloated out there on its own in
the storm.
And the big thing about that isthe Bible does not say that this
is an assumption.
The Bible gives very basicinformation, the capacity of the
boat by giving us the length,width and height.

(13:34):
It says it was one door, onewindow, It had three decks.
It says nothing about how manyanimals were on board, how did
the sewer system work, where wasthe kitchen, where do they
sleep?
So a lot of details are missing.
It does not say the shape orsize.
I'm sorry, the shape.
But it does give us the size.
And so if you look at that wordark, it's actually used other

(13:55):
places in the Bible,particularly where it talks
about Moses as a baby.
He was placed in a reed basketor ark.
And I've been to Egypt manytimes and in the museums in
Cairo, you'll find examples ofthese reed arcs, these baskets,
and they're different shapes.
There's some are round, some areoval, some are rectangular, some

(14:15):
are square.
And so the word had nothing todo with the actual, with a
polygon or a triangle oranything.
Right, not the

SPEAKER_02 (14:22):
shape.

SPEAKER_01 (14:23):
Right.
It has to do with the purpose orcapacity to save life.
It's like a lifeboat.
So that's the one thing thatcaught the guy's attention.
Here you have this perfectlyshaped ship.
on the side of a mountain inEastern Turkey.
And so Captain Drapinar gotexcited when they went on the
ground to actually measure theboat.
But one year later, in thesummer of 1960, an American team

(14:47):
came out there.
They met with Captain Drapinar.
They went out there with theTurkish military and they
measured it.
It was exactly 300 cubits long.
Now that's the length given inthe Bible.
So either that's a bigcoincidence or another positive
fact that's pointing to thisbeing the probable buried
remains of Noah's Ark.

(15:07):
But you have this ship shapethat's now exactly the length
given in the Bible.
But again, it's just covered indirt.
It's a dirt-shaped object there.
So if you're thinking about, oh,it's a perfectly preserved ship,
like some people say they claimto have seen, on the big volcano
Arad, which is just across thevalley from our site, you're not

(15:29):
gonna find that.
This is exactly what you find inarcheology for like Roman and
Greek and earlier ships.
Anything wooden, it decays away,leaves a chemical imprint in the
soil.
It leaves the shape.
It can leave other artifacts.
but you're not going to findthat perfectly preserved barge
anywhere.
And so what you're seeing todayis- It's going to rot, right?
I mean, it's going to decay.
Yeah, exactly.

(15:49):
It's going to rot.
It's going to get covered upwith soil and dirt and rocks
that come in and fall down ontop of it.
So this is why Ron Wyatt gotinto it and others, David
Fassel, Baumgartner, and Dr.
Solly Brock-Tutton himself, he'sstill around.
And so these earlier explorers,they started doing their own

(16:09):
research using non-destructivetechniques like chemical
analysis, GPR, and metaldetector scans, especially.
And so these techniques, theywere shown, these were all done
in the mid 80s, mainly, but theywere showing that there's a
pattern below the ground that'sinside the boat shaped object,
but not outside of it.

(16:29):
So it's showing that it's adistinct object separate from
the land form, the land aroundit.
It's in the middle of this earthflow, looks like a mud flow, but
it's just this really roughterrain.
And so when you're walking outthere, you have to be very
careful that you don't hurtyourself, break an ankle, or
something, but once you get ontothe boat, it's very smooth and

(16:51):
covered in grass and with thedirt sides forming the shape, as
you can kind of see behind me onthe left side.
This ship shape has never beenexcavated.
So a lot of non-destructivetechniques have been used.
So fast forward now to ourinvolvement in 2019, we got
permission to scan the boat.

(17:12):
And so what happened?
We brought in an American team.
We didn't know who they werebefore.
I had a friend or anacquaintance actually emailed me
one day.
It was the end of August, Ibelieve, early September.
And he, I'm sorry, end ofSeptember, early October.
He basically said, hey, I wouldlike to volunteer.
Are you guys doing anything outthere?
And I said, well, we're tryingto do GPR work.

(17:34):
We believe we have permissionnow to move ahead but we don't
have a team in place and and wewanted to get it done in three
weeks and i already had you knowthe winter's coming up and this
is in the mountains so it willsnow and this guy said well i
have a friend he's a vp of acompany based out of oregon with
offices in the east coast andthey can They have a GPR team.

(17:56):
Let me see if he is interestedin helping get a team together
quickly.
And within a couple of days, Icalled this guy.
We had set up.
We agreed on pricing.
They gave us a super gooddiscount.
They found all the gear theyneeded to rent.
We signed contracts and webought tickets and everything.
And they were good to go.
And they showed up three weekslater.
Now, it just so happened a monthbefore that, the Science Channel

(18:20):
had contacted me and they wantedto do a program about this
discovery in Mozart The researchbeing done.
But I told them, look, we don'thave anything going on yet.
This was maybe June of this yearin 2019.
And so I said, you're going tohave to pick a date to come out
here because they didn't getpermission, film permits and
everything from the Turkishgovernment.

(18:41):
And so they picked that sameweek.
They didn't know that this GPRteam would show up.
We didn't know that that wouldbe the week that the Science
Channel would end up beingthere.
But everything worked out.
We had them filming the workbeing done.
And on that trip, we were ableto basically almost live feed as
they're filming, find theseparallel lines and these

(19:05):
perpendicular lines, likestructure you normally don't see
in nature, about three feetbelow the surface.
So as the radar screen, you cansee on the radar screen, as the
radar antenna is going acrossthe ground and the technician's
looking at his screen, he'sdialing down through all the
different levels, like groundzero, but going one meter down,
two meter down, hits threemeters, about nine feet.

(19:25):
He's like, whoa.
And my friend is filming thisand he's like, this is something
here.
And you can start seeing on thescreen, these parallel lines
show up suggesting a man-madestructure.
And so that got to ScienceChannel.
People were really excited tofilm that.
So they started interviewingeverybody about what they were
seeing.
And well, we took that raw data.

(19:46):
So, you know, usually you justcollect the data and it takes a
while to process it.
So they took all that gigabytesof data.
We did LIDAR.
We did thermal camera work.
But we took all that back to theU.S.
And an American archaeologistwho trains archaeologists on how
to use radar.
So he's a geophysicist himself.
He took the data and looked atit, filtered it, and to see what

(20:09):
he could see in it.
And he gave a report back, Ithink it was like three months
later, and we got a report.
But he basically had found onthe other side of the boat
formation, basically, it wasseven meters down, so about 20
feet.
It was a series of right angles,looked like partially, you know,
partial rooms still preserved.

(20:30):
down below in this area of theboat formation, this downhill
part of it.
And so he wrote in his reportthat if he was to do an
excavation, this is...
probably be, this would be thebest spot that he would choose
as an archaeologist, this placeabout seven meters down.
So that was exciting seeingthat.

(20:51):
And so the Science Channel showwas already on TV at that time,
2020.
The pandemic had hit.
And so that kind of slowed usdown.
But I decided by the 1st ofJanuary, February of that year
to basically live in Turkey.
I don't know when the borderswould reopen.
So that enabled me to connectwith all these different Turkish
officials and the locals whomanaged the site and got us

(21:16):
connected into the local sceneso that we know who to trust and
who not to trust.
So that started our really focusto do the next step after that.
And so we were pushing forexcavations, but the Turks at
that time, they basically said,look, we want as much
non-destructive work to be donebefore a hole is dug on the site

(21:39):
because it is a very fragilesite.
And in archaeology, basicallywhat you take out, you can't put
back.
So if you're going to dig thisbig hole, it's going to leave a
scar in the site.
And so you're hoping that itwon't destroy it.
It's a very fragile site.
You want as much possible topreserve it.
So then we started looking atsoil testing.

(22:00):
But before we even got to thatpoint, the original guy who had
found the right angles below theground, this archaeologist in
Atlanta, Georgia, Dr.
Bigman.
For whatever reason, we neverreconnected with him.
So I talked to Salih, who I metin 2000.
Dr.
Salih brought to me the Turkishgeologist.

(22:21):
And then I had reconnected withSalih in 2021, I think it was.
And I asked him, I said, hey, wecollected all this data a couple
of years ago.
We need a new geophysicist whocould take the raw data, look at
it, and see if they could findanything.
We would like to get as much outof this data that we had paid
for on this expedition.
And he said, hey, I know of alady.
She has 40 years experience.

(22:42):
He considered her the best inher field that he knew about.
And he said, why don't you justupload everything and she can
look at it?
And he had already talked to herand she volunteered her time to
her and her team.
I think she's based out ofConnecticut.
She has a company that doesgeophysical surveys.
uh in new hampshire connecticutbut uh we turned everything over

(23:05):
to her and we didn't hear backfor maybe six months or so you
know she's doing it in her freetime and so when it came back
she had initially sent an emailover i believe and asked if we
had dug any utility lines downthrough the site and she because
she said she had found somethingi said no the site's on the side
of a mountain there's a Thisarea is preserved.

(23:28):
It's a nature preserve ornatural geological formation.
It's a national park in Turkey,so you can't just go out there
and plow it up.
So anyways, she said, well, letme show you over Zoom what I
found.
And it was amazing.
I remember I recorded the wholeZoom call, but she had found
going down the center of theboat about four meters down.

(23:49):
And she said it was a big enoughtunnel.
that you could hunch over andwalk in most of the places.
So she said it was a couple ofmeters in height inside this
tunnel.
It's not filled in, it's an openspace.
So it hadn't been

SPEAKER_03 (24:04):
covered with sediment or anything?

SPEAKER_01 (24:06):
No.
So what it looked like is thatwhatever was above it, you could
say beams or flooring, that gotcovered first, but it didn't
collapse in on the central widetunnel.
You can call it the centralhallway.
Because going down the centerline of the boat, it starts at
the pointed upper end.
So kind of behind me, thatpointed uphill southern end of
the boat, that's where itstarts.

(24:27):
And in fact, there's a voidthere.
Like it's a storage open spacenear the, you can say the bow or
the front of the ship.
And then going through thattunnel, it keeps going till the
middle where there's a bigboulder there now.
But under the boulders, she saidat the, at the, basically the
six meter depth all the way downto the 13 meter depth where we

(24:49):
lost our, that's as deep as theGPR data could go.
That's where the bottom is.
It probably goes deeper, butthat's the last data we show for
this central void.
So she found a big cavity orcave in a square shape.
And that's why she was saying,well, there's something here
because you have this squareshape void in the middle that

(25:09):
this tunnel leads to.
Now, what's interesting is Ifyou believe that Noah's Ark
exists and there was a flood,many people tried to figure out,
okay, well, the Bible gives usthe basic dimensions, as we
mentioned earlier, but not allthe details.
And so there are people likeAmps and Genesis.
Now, they don't think this isNoah's Ark, but they actually

(25:30):
built almost a full-scale model,500-foot long model.
kentucky and so you know it'shalf a billion dollar project
they did at the theme park andi've been there once i went
there in 2018 and what'sinteresting when you go in there
they have a very similar setupwhere they have instead of a
central atrium for the the airand you know sunlight to um to

(25:52):
go through all the three decksuh they uh so and and what we're
seeing on this ship shape isthat there's a central cavity
just like that it's going allthe way down further than we can
see.
But on their model, they havethat central cavity as a long
corridor down the middle, like acentral atrium that opens up to
all the decks.
And so a very similar idea,though.

(26:13):
And here we're actually seeingit on the ground with actual
data.
It's the same concept.
And then the other thing that'sinteresting is not only do we
have this central corridorthat's still opened up going to
this cavity, but on the uh westside so in this model that would
be uh going down this one righthere on the inside from the top

(26:37):
the pointed end of the boatpartially to the down uh halfway
down before uh the rock shows upuh you have a broken up similar
hallway this uh tunnel systemand so it's almost like you had
central hallway and then sidehallways and in between would be
the assumption that this isNoah's Ark would be the rooms

(26:59):
and the cages or whatever soagain this was just recently
discovered she gave me this databack in 2023 and so what we then
last year she's been working ondata more but what's interesting
is Here, all we did was give herthe raw data.
She's not part of our team.
I don't know if she evenbelieves in Noah's Ark.

(27:21):
We didn't ask.
All we said, what can you find?
And same with what I'm going totell you guys next.
When we did the soil analysis,what happened last year, I had
an Australian soil scientist onone of my trips out here with
his wife and some others.
And I noticed, probably everyyear this happens, but this is
the first year I noticed with mydrone, I'm taking photographs of

(27:42):
the site, the grass inside, andthis is about the end of
September was the trip, but thegrass inside of the boat shape
was a yellow color versus thegrass just right outside the
edge of the boat shape withnormal green.
So there's two different typesof grass color.
And it just, you know, thisartificial ship shape boundary

(28:02):
is the only boundary between thetwo colors And Dr.
Sally Brock-Tutton, thegeologist, was there.
So I asked the soil scientist,Bill, from Australia.
I said, hey, Bill, what do wethink is going on here?
He said, well, there'sdefinitely something different
in the soil inside.
He trains farmers around theworld on how to farm.
And so what we did, what theydid, they designed a soil test

(28:24):
survey that would take samplesfrom inside and outside in
random locations.
And then they listed all thethings they wanted to test for
in the laboratory.
And so we got 88 samples at theend of September and they said
that Dr.
Sally sent that out.
I think it was end of Novemberof last year to out of Turkey
university where he used toteach at.

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They didn't know where thesamples came from.
And every sample was listed witha random, like, you know, AB,
you know, AC or whatever, one,two, three.
So just the random labeling.
And within a month we got theinformation back and, And what
it showed in the data set wasthat you had three main items or

(29:07):
three main, what do you want tocall it, variables in this test
set that were different andunique.
And even of everything wetested, even the things that are
not unique, it tells a story.
But what's really important islooking at the ones that were
different and seeing if it'ssomething that you could

(29:28):
confidentially say, hey, this isdifferent.
This is unique.
There's something differentinside or outside the boat that
makes this boat shape stand out.
What the test showed was thatorganic matter was almost three
times higher inside the boatformation versus right outside.
If you think of a decaying boat,you have a lot of organic matter

(29:49):
involved.
It's very possible it wouldchange the soil chemistry like
that and leave a higher organicfootprint.
And again, this was because wesaw the grass growing different.
We go out there and take randomsamples and a lab does the test.
We don't know what to expect.
It's not like we, you know,force these results.
So everything we're doing isstill pointing back to the ship

(30:12):
shape being a man-made objectthat's been decaying there for
thousands of years.
So not only organic matter wasdifferent, but also the pH level
was eight or nine times lowerinside versus outside.
And so if bacteria is eatingaway at the wood and this

(30:34):
decomposition is going on, thenyou're going to expect the pH
level to be different insideversus outside.
And what we found also that wasinteresting was the phosphorus,
which is used in fertilizing,Some people might say, well,
maybe the farmers out there didsomething inside the boat years
ago.

(30:54):
Actually, the phosphorus is thesame inside and out.
Nothing's changed on that.
We even interviewed last weekone of the gentlemen from that
village nearby.
He was the uncle to Nuri.
Nuri is the man who runs thevisitor center, the local
Kurdish man.
His uncle is 86 years old or 84years.

(31:15):
But he's lived there all hislife, and he explained the whole
history.
He said back when he was 10,between 10 or 15 years old, he
said one morning, he said it wasnot an earthquake, but he could
be remembering wrong.
But at any rate, he said theside of that mountain gave way,
like it was a big earth flow,and it became very unstable, and
all the ground shifted.

(31:36):
And the site changed so that nowyou had this huge rough area
across the mountainside wherethey used to do farming.
And he said in this area wherethe boat was at and just right
outside, he said there's mainlythis natural grass growing.
They don't fertilize, he said.
So this would have been theearly, like in the late 1940s,
early 1950s for the date he wasthinking that this happened.

(31:58):
And he said once the groundchanged, what they saw that was
left was this shift shape.
just sitting on the side of themountain.
And again, he said they didn'tfarm the area, but that was what
was photographed in 1959.
And then there was an earthquakethat hit between 1960 and the
late 70s.
An earthquake hit the region andthe soil further dropped away.

(32:21):
And so like popped out the boat.
So now you have more, becausefrom the 1960 photographs from
that expedition, the roughterrain outside of the boat
shape that level is right at thesame level as the rim of the
boat, the shape of the boat.
But by 1970s and 80s and today,everything around it has dropped

(32:45):
away except for one littleportion.
And we now have 20 to 30 footside walls around the boat is
all the soil.
You can

SPEAKER_03 (32:52):
see it very different on the, on the images.

SPEAKER_01 (32:54):
Yeah.
You can see how it just righthere, just bam dropped away
behind my head there.
But over here, and then we haveother photographs to show that,
you know, this is an aerialphoto, but we have ground
photographs from the earlysixties and all of this rough
terrain on the outside.
It's just right up against theboat at the same level,
basically.
So all of that collapsed awayfurther and, between the 60s and

(33:14):
the early 80s.

SPEAKER_03 (33:16):
Like you said, it's kind of popping the boat out for
everybody

SPEAKER_01 (33:18):
to see.
Yeah, it did.
And the really interesting thingis the last couple of months
we've been buying from theUnited States Geological Society
declassified spy satelliteimagery that Clinton and I think
Bush also signed to release.
So you're looking at late 60sthrough the 70s to the early

(33:39):
80s.
by satellite imagery thathappens to thankfully cover this
area too.
And so we've been downloadingthem$30 a pop and looking at as
the site has changed over theyears.
Well, what's interesting is thatthe ship shape itself has not
changed.
Like it's still 300 cubits long,which is 515 feet.
It's still the same dimensionseverywhere, but outside of the

(34:02):
boat and that rough terrain onthat mountainside, it changes
every year.
Even this year, every springyou'll go out there and you'll
see new little cracks andcrevices and where water's
running through it.
But the site itself is stable.
So again, there's somethingholding up the site, keeping it
stable.
And we're suggesting, you know,there's, based on our scans,

(34:24):
that there's still preservedremains down below the surface,
giving this site stability.
And what Dr.
Bayrak Tutan has noticed, alsothat the soil inside the boat
formation is harder.
Just, you know, you will look upand walk up and look at it.
It's a really tough soil, hardersoil.
And he would like to test forthat.
That's one of our future testswe want to do, is look at the

(34:46):
surface.
chemistry of that part of thesoil, like what's going on to
keep the soil harder than how itis outside of the boat formation
and the mud flow, which is verycrumbly and you can step on it
and it'll just fall apart.
So who knows when the boatdecayed, what other chemicals
you know reaction would happenthat would make the soil this

(35:08):
type of uh like this differentuh type of soil inside so maybe
it was you know the bible talksabout a pitch that would kept
they kept the boat waterproof uhas the pitch decayed as the wood
decayed it changed this soil sothat now today when you walk on
it it's a harder compositionthan outside of it So these are
things we've noticed as being onthe site that we still have to

(35:30):
figure out why and what's goingon.
But the soil analysis, that'swhat hit the news earlier
because we're finding almostthree times higher organic
matter just inside of there.
And so we, you know, out of the88 samples, half of them were
taken inside the boat and thenhalf from around the different
sides, you know, outside of theboat formation at random spots.

(35:54):
So, yeah.
Again, in fact, the soilscientists, I'm looking at the
report right here, it saysorganic matter, pH level, and
phosphates, these are thedifferent, from the chemical
analysis, these things weredifferent.
And he said they're at the 95confidence level.
There'd be a 5% chance thatthese are just random, but 95%

(36:18):
chance not, that this isactually a different thing.
that there's actually thesedifferences between inside and
outside the boat.
So we were very excited aboutthat.
And that's what it was in thenews.
but also to see this tunnel thatnow today, just, I just got this
one of those little kind of whatthey use for checking out

(36:41):
engines and also plumbers kindof use it.
Those endoscopes cameras, tinylittle camera with the, with
the, you know, it's on the endof a 10 meter line or whatever.
And so we're hoping when we getpermission to drill into these
holes, let's take a camera down.

SPEAKER_02 (36:57):
Oh,

SPEAKER_01 (36:58):
wow.
And then we can see who knowswhat's left.
It's just all mud and dirtcovered.
But if this lady'sinterpretation is right, you
know, she has the 40 yearsexperience in geophysicists,
let's just see what happensthen.
And then we'll let the worldknow.

SPEAKER_03 (37:14):
So exciting.
Definitely let me know.
For sure, yes.
So how do you deal?
I mean, obviously you're abeliever, right?
And a lot of this has moved overthe years based on faith.
And now you're discoveringbasically overwhelming evidence,

(37:36):
in my opinion, 95% confidencelevel evidence that this is
real.
So you're bringing science tothe conversation of faith.
But I'm sure you've got allkinds of people who are just...
don't want to believe this forwhatever reason.
What do you say to thoseskeptics?
I mean, I know Ron Wyatt wentthrough a lot of skepticism over

(37:56):
his lifetime too, right?
How do you deal with that?
I mean, stay positive.
And what is your response?

SPEAKER_01 (38:04):
Well, I remember at first when I was involved, I
didn't expect to be at the...
like on the ground, the guy,like boots on the ground type of
guy.
When I first heard about this,it was a personal journey,
something that I just wanted tostudy out.
I just got really involvedcalling people who were
involved.
You know, when I was in highschool and college, I didn't
have the funds to go over thereand do anything on my own, but I

(38:25):
wanted to hear what everyoneelse did.
But I also talked to critics,those who worked with Ron and
changed their mind, those whonever believed anything he said.
So I was interested in the wholestory, positive and negative.
I always believed, I grew up asa Christian, and I was
interested in these Biblestories, especially the Old
Testament stories that seem sofantastical, like the Red Sea

(38:48):
Crossing and the flood, MountSinai, the giving of the law,
things you couldn't really provephysically today yet.
And as a kid, I was like, wow,this would be awesome to have
proof.
And so when Ron White said hehad proof, I was interested in
hearing it.
But I wanted to– I wasn't justlike gung-ho, oh, Ron White said

(39:08):
it, I believe it.
But as a kid, I was reallyinterested in knowing how he did
his research and who he workedwith and what did they have to
say.
Until middle college, I wentover there and didn't see the
site myself.
So when someone is– if they're–Not negative, but if they're

(39:29):
just skeptical, to me, that'sokay.
If you want to wait and see, Idon't feel bad.
Again, this is not going toaffect me in a sense personally.
Like someone said, I don't thinkthat's Noah's Ark.
Okay, it's not a salvationalissue.
Like if you think this is Noah'sArk or you think over there
that's Noah's Ark.
So that doesn't affect me asmuch.
But I do think, though, thatwhen you have something, like

(39:54):
you're saying, 95% confidencelevel, It's something I want to
share then.
And so when I started doingthis, I was just going over
personally and seeing thesesites.
But then people wanted me toshare.
And I really hated going upfront.
I had this fear of speaking toany size group of people.
And I overcame that, thankfully,by God's grace, to be able to
talk and give this information.

(40:15):
I was a computer programmer.
So you sit behind a desk anddrink energy drinks.

SPEAKER_02 (40:20):
You

SPEAKER_01 (40:20):
make a website.
I was developing apps.
And so that was your life.
And then you go hang out withother nerds.
When you get in front of people,they're going to ask you
questions.
You've got to present something.
I have a very logical mind.
The facts have to line up.
It has to make sense.
That's how I present stuff.
Here's the shape.
Here's this.
Here's that.

(40:41):
It's less touchy-feely typething.
It's more, what do you have onthe ground?
Everything we've done It's notlike we did the GPR scans and
it's like, oh, there's nothingthere.
Then we do the scans and westart seeing parallel lines on
this side and right angles downbelow on this side.
And then years later, we'reseeing, you know, tunnels and
chambers, you know?

(41:02):
So when I see stuff like that,that happened in the same with
the soil, like you take asample, we ship it off to the
lab and then they come back andsay, well, there's a big
difference between organicmatter.
And I'm like, okay, again,that's another positive thing
that's pointing to this being aman-made object that's
boat-shaped.
And so here's the interestingabout the boat shape.
And I forgot to mention thisearlier.

(41:23):
This guy, we had a large tourgroup two weeks ago, 22 people
from Florida, a Christian churchgroup came out and on there, you
know, you meet random people.
Even when you have your ownprivate tours, you have other
people showing up.
It's a public site.
And this guy came up to me, Iwas in the visitor center and he
said, you're Andrew Jones.
I said, yeah, who are you?

(41:44):
And he said, well, I've beenwatching your videos and he's an
older gentleman.
And I said, oh, okay.
And he said, well, let me tellyou something.
This is a shipwreck on the sideof a mountain.
And I looked at him and said,well, how do you know?
Have you been doing researchhere?
And he said, well, I was a CoastGuard captain for two ships.
I was in the Coast Guard 40years.
Then I was on the NationalSecurity Council of one of the

(42:05):
presidents.
And he said, now I'm aconsultant with a private firm
for the Saudi military.
I was like, wow, okay, you'rewell accomplished.
And he said, when you look atthe shape of this boat object on
the side of the mountain, Hesaid, you had...
And we interviewed him.
And so I'll put up on my channelmaybe next week.
But he said, when you look atthe ship shape, he said, that's

(42:26):
the same shape we built ourships in World War II.
And then later, the Coast Guardships started using the same
shape in the early 90s.
It has a pointed bow and arounded or blunt stern or back
end of the ship.
And so I said, wow, this isreally interesting.
And he was explaining why youneed a pointed bow.
And it's some of the same thingsthat...
You know, it's just a Genesiswho's against, you know, they're

(42:47):
against the site being Noah'sArk.
They haven't done any researchout there.
That's another topic.
But they did make some greatvideos explaining that Noah's
Ark was not a barge and that ithad to be a ship shape as the
best type of design in a globalbig storm, you know, on the open
seas.
And he explained the exact samething as the former captain of

(43:10):
two Coast Guard ships.
He said, you have a pointed bowto cut through the waves.
And if you're free floating withno engine or no sail, then you
have, it helps by having theboat using drogue stones or
weights on the ship to turn, tonot only stabilize the ship, but
turn it into the waves and andkeep it pointed directly to the

(43:32):
waves so you don't becomeparallel to these huge, massive,
90-foot-high or whatever wavesthat could capsize and turn your
ship over.
He said the same thing for thebackside.
When you have waves coming atyou from behind, the backside,
if it's a rounded stern likethat, it helps disperse the
energy.
So he had given really greatanswers.
And later, he was a random guy.

(43:53):
Then this came and gave me somegreat answers.
So I looked him up on YouTube.
Sure enough, he's interviewed onCNN about some hostage crisis.
And then I knew, okay.
And he has his PhD.
So he's actually a doctor.
But I think he wrote a bookabout the exodus.
So a well-accomplishedindividual.
This happened to show up on oneof my tours a couple weeks ago.
It explained the ship's shape.

(44:15):
And so for me, when someonesays, well, I don't think this
is Noah's Ark, that's okay.
I'm moving forward because Ihave so much positive data.
If everything was just a mix,some positive, some negative,
I'm like, okay, yeah, well,maybe not.
But everything we do keepspointing to this site having a

(44:35):
man-made purpose, and that isnot a random geological mound of
rocks and dirt, but actually adecayed wooden ship.
then I can be more positive andI'll keep going forward.
Now, I believe that God doesn'twant anyone to perish.
So when you look at the data outthere, whether it's archaeology

(44:57):
or creation science, differentthings that point to the
existence of God and that theword of God is real, then I
think God is using thesediscoveries Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.

(45:31):
But he needed more than justhearing the stories.
He needed the physical proof.
And God was willing to give thatto him, even though he said,
blessed are those who don't needthis.
But he knew that Thomas neededthis, his disciple.
And so he showed him hisfingerprints and the scar on the
side of his body.
And so, yeah, I think God isdoing the same thing with

(45:53):
different types of discoveriesin archaeology or science.
That will help people.
I'm not going to give up ifsomeone is going to make a
video.
I saw recently some videosattacking and they're making
jokes about the site.
If it was 10 years ago, I'd belike, oh man.
It's

SPEAKER_03 (46:12):
interesting.
Clearly, God is with you.
He keeps sending the timing withthe science channel and the
LIDAR and all the differentthings that are happening, the
discoveries that you're getting,the experts that that are
weighing in, you know, monthsafter getting data.
And I mean, all of this is clearevidence that God is speaking

(46:34):
through you and your work.
So, you know, that's incredible.
And it almost takes, the ironyof this is it almost takes more
faith and work and effort tobelieve there is no God and
there is no Noah's Ark than ithas to believe that there is
based on the evidence that youkeep compiling.

SPEAKER_01 (46:53):
Well, this is interesting.
Just last week, A Turkish friendof mine, a really good friend,
he's a Muslim believer, but hehelped us with our different
film permits.
He works in the Turkishgovernment.
And he sent me a link, and so Idownloaded it, and I looked at
it, and it was basically aTurkish scientist from a top
university here, a geologist.

(47:16):
He wrote a piece.
It's not peer-reviewed, but hejust wrote a piece and put it up
on academia or research, one ofthose websites.
It's a personal paper.
attacking the site.
I was like, oh no.
So I started reading this thing.
And then most of the papers,like all the stuff, the fluff
around it, when you get to theheart of what he was saying,
he's saying exactly what some ofthe critics said in the early
nineties or mid nineties, thatthis site is a rock formation, a

(47:40):
sin client.
And I talked to Sali, who justhappened, I was going to meet
him a couple days later.
So I sent him the link.
He said, oh, no, not again.
And it's basically the sametheory that you have this
syncline, which is a type oferoded layers that could form an
oval shape.
But it's basically layers ofrock that they're saying.

(48:01):
And the guy in his article has aphoto of him standing right near
the ship shape.
He's up on the hillside lookingdown on it.
And so it's almost as if the guyis blind, because if he actually
walked out to it, maybe he did,but he didn't want to say, when
you walk on it and around it,this is a dirt-shaped object.
It's not a solid piece of rock.

(48:22):
If it's a solid granite rock orsolid limestone, yeah, you can
say, oh, okay, somehow it goteroded into the shape.
No, but so when you have peoplewho can't even, you know,
they're geologists, and that'swhere Sali, who's a geologist,
has spent years searching andresearching the site and the
mountainside here.
when he could point out, hey,this is why this is not a scent
line.
He explained it to me.

(48:43):
I got it on video, but I'm not ageologist, so for me to explain
it's kind of difficult.
But he basically said, it's onthe wrong axis.
The way the bedding layers areat this site, coming from the
Iranian side, they were about amile from Iran, and all these
different layers are comingdown, going north to south.
He said the axis, if this was ascent line, would be this way,
and not the way it is, the siteis today.

(49:04):
And the site, again, is notsolid rock.
So just from his explanationsabout the geology, and you can
see from our drone photographs,all the layers and which way the
folds are going in thismountainside, is he disproved.
But here's somebody with atop-notch university.
He wrote, I don't know if it's aquick paper, but he wrote this
paper spewing out the same thingthat the guy, Professor Collins,

(49:29):
wrote in the 90s, attacking thesite, the same theory that it's
a syncline.
So You know, to me, it's almostas if they shoot themselves in
the foot.
They're trying to attack thesite, but then when they attack
it, it can always come down to,okay, what's the shape from?
And what's giving it stability?

(49:50):
If this is random rocks anddirt, it should have, you know,
last 60 years spread out,disappeared, gone, whatever.
No, it's the same shape it'salways been, but around it's
always changing.
So you tell me what it is.
So they have two theories andboth of them.
they go back to saying it's abig solid rock, and it's not.
So one, they say it's a bigsolid rock that came down from
the mountainside.

(50:10):
This was published in 2010, Ithink, another Turkish
geologist.
And he, what's his name?
Anyways, Murat.
Murat Edvinci.
And so in his article, he saidthe solid limestone block came

(50:32):
down from the higher up on themountainside, got stuck where
it's at today.
Then he said, glaciers overmillions of years went over this
site and weathering, and it gaveit the ship-shaped look.
And Sally points out and said,look, you're walking around this
thing.
It's dirt.
It's not a solid piece of rock.
So where's this glacier at?

(50:54):
There's no evidence of a glacierin that area in the past.
And again, it's not rock.
So let them say what they want,these critics, but unless they
give a better explanation, we'restill moving forward with our
test.
It's almost comical.
I hate to say it, it was anothergroup, I won't mention their
name, but a well-known creationgroup, and they were attacking

(51:17):
us for testing.
They said, well, these guys aretesting it because their agenda
is they're trying to fundraiseto do more tests.
I said, okay, maybe that is ouragenda, but we do want to do
tests, whether that's the endgoal or we want to get money to
do bigger tests later, we arestill doing tests on the site
and doing research.
But that's your attack againstus.

(51:38):
Our soil tests and the GPR wasso that we could do more tests
in the future.
That's why we're in the newstoday.
In fact, the news that hit,someone asked me, did you pay
for these articles?
No, nothing was paid for.
It was like paid press.
People contacted us.
They said, hey, what's thelatest news?
What's going on?
And we never reached out and putout a press release saying,

(52:00):
please call us for an interview.
Oh,

SPEAKER_03 (52:04):
it's fantastic.
I really commend you for whatyou're doing.
I had Barry Schwartz on theprogram before he passed away.
And he led the analysis of theShroud of Turin.
And it was really interestingbecause he went into that whole
analysis as being a skeptic andcame out being a complete
believer.

(52:25):
And I wonder if you've, is thereanybody on your team or anybody
that you've encountered alongthe pathway that has come in
very highly skeptical and kindof walked away saying, oh my
gosh, this is real?

SPEAKER_01 (52:37):
Well, I'm trying to think.
Everyone who's helped us has,you know, they believe in the
Bible.
Like the people who showed up tolast year, you heard this site,
Bill, this guy, But kind of likewhen we did the soil test, we
didn't know what the resultswould be.
We said, hey, let's design oneand see what happens.

(52:59):
When he got here, he said, hey,this has to be a shipwreck, just
looking at it.
And then when we got the soilanalysis done, he wasn't really
a skeptic, though.
I kind of think, you know, whenthe Science Channel was here, I
know the producer, the wholeteam was actually either
agnostic or atheists.
When they found those parallellines about three meters down,

(53:22):
he was so excited filming it.
The next day he told us he hadcalled his grandmother or
mother.
He said that she was a believerand he was so excited to tell
her that he was.
And he said this to us that Itold her that I'm possibly
working on the discovery ofNoah's Ark.
And he himself, you know, theseHollywood types that don't care

(53:44):
about religion or anything likethat.
It's just a job now to film.
And they're all from London.
So, you know, who knows?
Some of those planting seeds,who knows what he believes now
or what the results will be.
But I can't think of someoneoffhand where it's like a stark
contrast when they think other,you know, they're against it and

(54:04):
they switch their mind.
So

SPEAKER_03 (54:07):
what's next?
You know, you mentioned the...
sitting in the scopes like wereyou what's your kind of plan and
your um you know your uh agendato explore this further and and
and what areas are you trying touh to create more proof around

SPEAKER_01 (54:24):
well the biggest thing is ground truthing so yeah
we have a lot of scans We havepeople who've done scans like
the ERT.
I was there to watch that in2014.
It uses electricity to map outwhat's below the ground.
So it's like a third-party scan.
We have the Turkish governmentwho did their own ERT in 2021,
and we're still trying to getthat data released so we can

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analyze it and publish what wethink of in the scan data.
Then we have our GPR, which in2019 then had it reanalyzed in
2023.
We would like to, there's acouple other type of scans that
the Turkish geologists wouldlike to do.
One is a microgravity, and theother is seismic, which would go

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a lot deeper and give us aprofile of the bedrock below.
Some critics have claimed thatthere's a big boulder in the
middle of the ship, and theysay, oh, this is bedrock, that
this is a column of rock thatkind of goes up like a chimney.
And then, you know, hundreds offeet in the air, you know, if
you removed all the dirt, it'dbe hundreds of feet in the air.
And now we're seeing the top ofhim right in the middle of the
boat.

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And then the mudslide goesaround this rock and forms a
ship shape.
You know, that was one of thetheories.
But it's not, you know, from theERT scans and from Sali's
geological studies.
Number one, that rock is, fromthe geological studies, it's a
different type of limestone thanthe limestone at that altitude
of the mountainside.
This rock is from way up underthe top.

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There's a big limestone ridgewith fossilized coral at the
base of it and other seashells.
And this is the type oflimestone that's right in the
middle of the boat.
The limestone and other type ofsedimentary rock that's at the
altitude where the ship is at,the elevation where the ship is,
it's a redder color or moreorange or pinkish.

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It's a different type ofchemical makeup.
And so...
Then plus the ERT scans from2014 shows that it's a free
floating boulder, just like Saliwas saying from his geological
studies.
So if we get some seismic scansdone, it would further show the
whole profile for where bedrockis in that valley where the arc
is sitting in the dirt.

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So that's one thing.
But to ground truth all of that,we would like to cordial get
down maybe a 100-meter corddrill or, you know, 50-meter,
something that would go deepenough that could maybe even hit
the bedrock down below, but goright through where we think the
depth of this ship remains are.
So whether the formation is, youknow, 60 feet worth of data, you

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know, decaying remains orwhatever, we want to go through
all of that and pull up asample.
Now, they tried to do coring in1988, and Dr.
Sali Bar-Tutun was in charge.
And this was John Baumgartner'seffort from America, Dr.
Baumgartner, a creationist.
He's still around, but hechanged his mind that this was

(57:17):
Noah's Ark.
And he, though, went around andpeople asked him, well, why did
you change your mind?
Because your GPR in the GPRreport in 1987 that him and Dr.
Sali did, And Sully's abeliever.
He's the geologist.
The geophysicist changed hismind.
The American geophysicist, JohnBaumgartner.
And people ask him, why do youchange?
Because his report said there'snothing in the GPR data that

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would disprove the idea thatthis is Noah's Ark.
That was in the actual reportthey gave out.
In 88, he said, well, we wentback and we drilled down and we
hit bedrock really close to thesurface.
And so he said, this is tooshallow.
You can't have Noah's Ark therebecause you're hitting bedrock
right underneath the ground.
I talked to Salih.
I said, well, you were therewith Baumgartner.

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What happened on that trip?
He said, we only did one or twobasic drill attempts.
It was a Turkish drillingmachine, and it was water-based,
which means, he said, when youtry to pull up a whole complete
core that shows all the layersunderneath the ground, so when
we pull up that core with awater-cooling machine cooling
the bit, it just washed all thedata away.

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So all we had was pebbles.
In the bottom of the coremachine, I don't know what they
call it, but at the very bottom,it was just pieces of rock.
He said, no useful data.
So he stopped the whole attempt.
He said, we have the wrong typeof machine.
So he said, it's totally wrongwhat BombGuard is claiming.
They got all this data, and itshows that there's shallow

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bedrock right there.
So we would like to do acomplete four.
It's a dry machine that usesfoam.
There's other techniques too,but that would cool the bit.
And then we can get a completefour, like you see when they do
like in Antarctica, the icesheets or other locations, where
you get this whole long tube ofdata and then you can analyze
every single layer.
Because we would like to seelike when it shows a right

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angle, let's see what that is.
Or when it shows a thick depositlayer, or also these voids,
these rooms.
Let's drill right into thosewith the core machine, stick a
camera.
So those are some of the reallyimportant things we'd like to
do, whether it's gonna be thissummer or next summer.
We need to finish up some ofthese geophysical,
non-destructive surveys, putthese, they're probably about

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three-edge cores, drill downdifferent places on the boat
formation and outside too.
uh further uh some of thechemical analysis of the soil
hardness that sali wants to doand also some of the rocks in
the area from a geologiststandpoint he has his own
studies he would like to do sothese are all on our agenda now

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we we did get approached bysomeone who is interested in um
basically paying for everything.
We don't know if that willhappen.
We're in the middle ofdiscussions, but it was just a
random thing.
Someone emailed me and said,hey, my boss saw your New York
Post article, the article aboutyour work.

(01:00:13):
He would like to get a hold ofAndrew Jones.
So I did a podcast with this guyand his secretary, with the
email, he had a link to herboss's.
I said, oh, I don't know whothis guy is.
I click it.
It's his Wikipedia page, thisguy.
And he's worth billions ofdollars.
And I was like, oh, well, whydoes a billionaire want to enter

(01:00:33):
this site?
And so I talked to a friend ofmine who deals with high-end
donors.
And he said, well, Andrew, justget all your stuff together
because he's not doing thechit-chat.
So I do a Zoom call with him twoweeks ago.
And he's like, yeah.
He explains all he's done.
It's amazing.
Then he asked, well, tell meabout yourself.
I said, well, not asaccomplished as you, but here's
what we're doing on the boat.
And he said, well, I'minterested in funding.

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So my friend was right that hewas interested in that level.
He said, can you tell meeverything you want to do and
the cost and so forth.
we'll see what happens.
You know, I, for me, it's up,you know, how fast we go is up
to God.
God wants something like thatdone with this individual and
work out.
If he doesn't, then we'll go atthe speed that he wants it done.
But we have a whole list ofthings we'd like to finish.

(01:01:14):
And I mentioned today, some ofthese items that will help,
especially the corning that willhelp show us what's below the
surface.
Uh, finally.
Uh, so.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:22):
Well, you mentioned something, um, I meant to get
into this earlier, but you, youmentioned the altitude.
How, how, Give us an idea ofwhat this, you know, how high is
this up from the bottom of thevalley and kind of some idea of
like how high the water musthave been to take it there?

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:38):
Well, so the current location for the site is about,
you know, so it's 550 feet long.
So you can see the average whereit's at is 6,500 feet.
The valley floor is about a milehigh.
So 5,000 or so feet is thevalley floor.
It's quite a dramatic scene fromwhere you're at when you're
walking there because you'relooking down the steep

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mountainside and you see thevalley below.
You can see the border betweenIran and Turkey, the border
station.
On a clear day, you can lookover the Lesser Ararat area and
in the distance, you'll see themountains of Armenia.
And then right in front of you,you see the big volcano, the
highest mountain in Turkey,Mount Ararat, which is a little
over 16,000 feet.

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It's a very dramatic area.
Now, we believe, based on, ifyou look at this satellite
imagery, that the ship did notoriginally land where it's at,
that it actually landed higherup on this mountainside.
So about a mile up is the actualtop of this low mountain range.
And that's the currentTurkish-Iranian border.
So you can look up and see theTurkish military towers every

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about 500 feet or 500 meters.
And right there is theinternational border.
And somewhere near that area isat the top of the mountain, the
arc with a land in.
And you can follow the mud flowor earth flow down the side of
the mountain, even down to thebottom valley.
And right in this narrow channelbetween two hills is where the

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ship is at today.
So I got stuck and pushed overto the west side of this narrow
channel.
And that's where it's at.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:13):
So the water had to be just astronomically high,
right?
Well,

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:17):
it depends.
At the top, you have evidencethat it was covered with water
near the top because we foundcoral, shallow water seashells.
These fossils that were foundnear shallow waters is up there
near the top.
But there's also the process ofwhat happened after the flood
with the uplifting of continentsand mountains being formed that

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would affected the height ofthis area.
So it's hard to estimate whatwas the actual height of the
water during the flood.
Definitely it covered the top ofthe landmass.
And this area was underwaterbased on the fossils around
seashells.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:59):
Fascinating.
Well, it's been awesome to talkto you.
I appreciate I wish you nothingbut the best and God bless you
and everybody that's working onyour team.
I hope we can stay in touch andI would love to know just
another update from you as soonas you have something new to
share.
I hope you can reach out to meand we can do something again to

(01:04:23):
update this.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:24):
Oh, for sure.
Yeah, I'm willing to and veryhappy to share everything that
we can.
So yeah, we'll keep in contactand I'm glad to share with your
audience and what's going on andkeep us in your prayers.
And yeah, anyone wants to comeout of here, by the way, either
on their own and just meet upwith us.
They can contact us through ourwebsite or if they want to go on
one of our tours, they can dothat too.

(01:04:45):
But yeah, we're always herewilling to share with people who
show up.
Yesterday we were at the site.
We had, it was like Polish day,two or three different Polish
groups coming through and askingquestions and They spoke
English.
So yeah, every day is a mix ofpeople around the world.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:01):
Share your website now, if you don't mind, so I can
make sure that people get

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:05):
it.
Yeah, it's noahsarchscans.com.
And on there has differentresearch papers for and against.
We don't, you know, whateverpeople say, we put it out there.
We have our own research there,links to our different videos
and different reports of ourresearch too.
And then the tours are alsolisted there.
And then there's a contact pageif someone wants to contact us.

(01:05:28):
Awesome.
Ozarkscans.com.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:30):
Andrew Jones, thank you so much for your time.
Stick around here.
I'm going to hit stop on therecord, but I'd love to just
wrap up with you offline.
So thank you so much for yourtime joining us.
And again, best of luck to you.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:42):
Thank you.

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