Ashley On - The Importance of Detaching for Ascension with Guy Needler

Guy Needler returns to the show to discuss that while mass ascension efforts may have stalled, we are each in charge of our own purification - and thus can impact our society in mass by learning to detach from our material world.  As Guy says, it's an internal fight, not an external one, and all religions are going to the same place.  

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SPEAKER_01 (00:25):
Hello and welcome to the show.
Today we welcome Guy Needlerback to the program.
Guy's a frequent guest and he'sworking on publishing his new
book, Beyond the Origin, whichshould be out soon.
And we're talking about themetaphysics behind our global

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situation and how the massascension may have slowed, but
there's an opportunity for usall to better detach from the
material world and in order tobecome more spiritual and to
move us, you know, collectivelytoward a more spiritually
advanced civilization.
We talk about this being aninternal fight, you know, with

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ourselves and within ourselvesin order to really benefit
society rather than being anexternal fight against each
other.
And we also talk about how allreligions are going to the same
place.
So regardless of your religiousangle, uh, that you may have
ultimately, uh, moving toward amore spiritually advanced

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civilization is, is all our, inour best interests and our, our
goal of achieving heaven onearth.
So, um, it's always great totalk to Guy Needler.
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Hello, Guy.
Welcome back to the show.
Always good to see you.

SPEAKER_02 (02:46):
Well, thank you for asking me again, Ashley.
It's always an honor and apleasure to be on your show.
And I'm hoping that we're goingto share some new material with
the listeners and the viewerstoday.
It's always good to show somesmall aspects of the greater
reality that helps towards thelarger jigsaw puzzle that we
have.

SPEAKER_01 (03:03):
Absolutely.
Me too.
Let's just dive in with that.
What is it that you would liketo share with us today?
Let's talk.

SPEAKER_02 (03:10):
Well, it's interesting that one of the
things that's been happeningrecently around the world is a
complete dislocation of where wewere supposed to be going from a
metaphysical or spiritualperspective and a civilisation
perspective compared to what wehad about basically 15 years
ago.
And so I'm seeing that this isa, shall I say, almost a

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dystopian present rather than apotential dystopian future that
you sometimes see in some ofthese science fiction films.
And as a result of that, I seethat, and I feel greatly that we
have to go through this periodbecause we've enjoyed a certain
spiritual revolution and thatsort of died off as a function
of the so-called mass ascensionthat we're supposed to have been

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having at the end of 2015 nothappening because it was
happening individually, not in amass situation.
And so those individuals who arepart of that collective group
sort of became thinner becausepeople sort of dropped off the
table because they felt betrayedor let down or they thought that
they were lied to by certainindividuals who were sort of

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leaders in their metaphysicalfield at the time.
So we started to drop down thefrequencies and as a result of
that, we've gained a whole newmaterialistic perspective where
we've become very, very selfish,very, very materialistic, very
status orientated.
You can see with the advent ofthe influencer, so to speak.

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And these influencers areparticularly high quality.

SPEAKER_01 (04:47):
So our progress has stopped is what you're saying.

SPEAKER_02 (04:50):
Our progress has gone down.
We haven't hit rock bottom.
We haven't hit where we wereseveral hundred years ago, for
instance, in the medievalperiod.
We haven't hit where we were inthe war, the Second World War.
We're just above where we were.
We're sort of bouncing along abottom that is becoming more and
more obvious to people,actually.

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And this bouncing on the bottomfrequently and the associated...
behavior patterns across theworld.
And we can see that in Ukraine,we can see it in Palestine, for
example.
And I'm not talking about theindividuals there.
I'm talking about thegovernance, as it were, not the
individuals themselves.

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He's showing us that, you know,we shouldn't behave in this way
as a civilisation.
If we're going to be part of agreater civilisation, the
physical universe, where we'repart of a bigger sort of
collective of civilisations, weneed to change our thought
processes quite significantly.

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But I can see that this is,again, it's part of a dark era
that we're going to go through,that's going to create a
collective thought process,which will be sort of in the
higher frequencies at first, butthen we'll start to permeate
down to the wider population,you know, bit by bit, and they
start to grow as triangulationbetween people starts to happen,

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where we start to think in acollective way that we can, we'd
be better off collectivelygoverning ourselves rather than
electing a particular governmentor leadership to do that.
And that this collective waythought process is at the
individual stage where we think,behave and act in a way where we

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consider what we're going to doand how it affects others and
how it affects ourselves and howit affects the environment as
well.
So we think collectively.
It's not a hive mind, but it'san individual way of using our
free will to make sure that thatfree will is used appropriately
and correctly.
And then eventually we get tothe point where we don't need

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any leadership, although we willhave people who are, shall we
say, specialists in their fieldthat will allow us to progress
from a technological perspectiveand from a sort of psycho
political perspective as well,where we start to realise that
we're all one planet.
Okay, we've got different skinsand different cultures, it
doesn't matter.
They're just bodies that oursouls use to experience, learn

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and evolve in this particularlocation within the physical
universe.
And as a result of that, we'llstart to help each other help
ourselves and each other aswell.
So collectively we'll benefitrather than individually we'll
benefit.
So the era of our billionairesor trillionaires will start to
die off because, again, at theend of the day, they're just a

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soul and a body who'sexperiencing a certain level of
success within a certain levelof application of their life
plan.
And so the objective ofeverybody having the same level
of education or educationtowards their specialism that
they can benefit the collectivewith, looking after the
environment, making sure thatwhat we do doesn't pollute it,

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understanding whether the systemis better, then we can use those
in terms of how we deal withcrops and agriculture, and also
how we, you know, a medication,how we look after each other
from a medical perspective, andalso the living standards, you
know.
What's the point in somebodyearning, you know, having$430
billion if the person across theAtlantic or across the Pacific

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you know, he's starving todeath.
It makes no sense.
That as a civilization, as aso-called advanced civilization,
we allow those vast differencesto happen.
And so what I'm seeing here isthat they're starting to go down
this dark avenue that's going tolead us out into a realization
that the way we are just isn'tworking.

SPEAKER_01 (08:54):
Well, I interrupted you earlier.
You were going to say somethingabout the influencers being an
example of that.
Well, the

SPEAKER_02 (09:01):
influencers are not specifically, it's not always
the case, but a lot of themaren't particularly, shall I
say, specialists in their field.
They're just people who wantsomebody to follow them and they
do various different things andthen push it out there and they

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manage to get some sort ofadvertisement or some sort of
financial linking with theirwebsites and they They get money
from it, which is okay.
But if you're going to influencesomebody, influence them in the
right way.
Not about what sort of lipstickyou can have, how you can use
Botox to improve yourappearance.

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It's about why can't we educatepeople?
If you're going to influencesomebody, educate them properly.
Teach them mathematics, teachthem algebra, teach them
carpentry, teach them a lifeskill that they can use.
Something worthwhile, yeah.
For me, that's a good influence.

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Not trying to say that a certaingenre of individual is more,
shall we say, status-orientatedthan they are.
For instance, people are sayingthat we've got this LBGT, I
can't even say it.
All the different minorities wehave now, they're based upon
gender.

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What does it matter?
We're all a civilization.
What our sexual orientation ordress sense is doesn't matter.
We are souls in the body.
We're using the body to navigatearound.
So if you go to influencepeople, give them the right
level of influence.

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Give them education.
Not your own preferences.

SPEAKER_01 (10:53):
Well, hopefully that's what we're trying to do
here today, right?
I mean, that's part of whatwe're...
And thank you for joining to tryto spread that message.
What is Source telling you?
Why the lack of progress?
Why the step back, if you will?
Is it a two steps forward, onestep back kind of scenario?
Or what's going on?

SPEAKER_02 (11:15):
Well, what I've observed over the...
the the the years i've beendoing this and the the energies
i've been picking up is that wewe do have a you know we do have
a medium a mean where we'regoing up up the frequencies and
we are experiencing um ascensionpersonalized ascension and

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evolutionary contents associatedwith this it's not that obvious
at times Clearly, it's not thatobvious.
But in essence, we are generallygoing up.
But what we go through on thismedium line, we go through this
sawtooth profile, where we go upfor a period of time, and maybe
we go down for a period of time,or maybe we stay at a certain
level for a period of time, thengo up again, or we stay up at a

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certain level, then come downagain.
And what I've noticed is thissawtooth profile isn't
specifically the logicalsawtooth profile.
We can go through what we call asawtooth profile, then go
through a big tooth profile, andthen down a bit and up a bit and
then down a big tooth.
So it's almost like we have thedifference between a big old pit

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saw that we used to have to sawwood in half with a great big
teeth and little teeth on top ofit versus the standard wood saw
in terms of illustrating how wecan go up and down.
And what we're doing now iswe're coming down one of these
big teeth, basically.
And it's not a case of comingdown a big tooth and hitting the
mean and then go back up againand go through the normal sort

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of sort of profile.
We've come from a big top of abig tooth down to the bottom of
a big tooth as well.
And at the other side.
So it's a big change we'reexperiencing.
And it's leading to lowerfrequency thoughts, behaviors
and actions, which results insignificant levels of attraction
or addiction to material thingsaround us, which includes

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status, not just financialthings or material wealth,
ownership things.
It's about who and what we areand how we want people to relate
to us.
It's the whole gamut of physicalattractions and addictions,
including things like beingaddicted to cyberspace, being

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addicted to...
wearing certain clothes, wearingcertain brands, being seen with
certain people, having a certainjob, having different types of
cars or having more than onecar, for example, or two or
three houses.
It's about everything, how werelate to others, whether we
deride them or whether we praisethem all the time, whether we

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consider them as equals orwhether we consider them to be
below us or above us.
The whole thing is associatedwith the physical universe and
the level of frequency thatwe're at within that physical
universe right now.

SPEAKER_01 (13:57):
So we're still spirits living in a material
world.
Yeah, to quote the police, yes.
Yes.
I'm glad you got that reference.
Yes.
Well, what do we do?
What practical advice?

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I mean, can our listeners...
i mean this is a show of hoperight so how can we have hope
and and give energy to thepositive um in this discussion
and what guidance can you helpus with detach

SPEAKER_02 (14:36):
ironically enough i saw a um somebody sent me a link
to an echo toller um lectureonline about about being
detached And that led to medoing a couple of short lectures
on my website saying one willcome out in May and one will
come out in June aboutdetachment and how it can remove
things like anxiety oranticipation or depression or

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lack of confidence.
But the thing is aboutdetachment is it's not about
detachment.
renouncing our responsibilities.
It's about being responsible,really, but in the right way.
We detach from the things thatwould affect us emotionally,
stab us in the heart, forexample, and we attach ourselves
to the things that give us joy,but aren't detrimental or create

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the karmic link between us andthe physical universe.
So from that perspective, we canbe a good example to others, and
we can if people see us beingjoyful and happy in our own
environment, in our own skin, wecan share how we've achieved
this level of happiness withthem.

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So those people who are tuned into this recording, either
audio-based or video-based, willnot be at the same level as the
average population.
They will have maintained acertain level of frequency
that's keeping them above themean, and they will be shaking
their heads in dismay as towhat's happening in the world

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right now.
But they will think maybe Ican't do anything because I'm
one person.
Actually, one person makes a bigdifference.
And that is to not get drawninto the gossip, not get drawn
into the negative aspects, notget drawn into being taken
advantage of, not getting yourreward, not getting drawn into
anything which is competitive orstatus orientated within the

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world environment and continueto be of service when requested
or required in a way that's notcreating dependency and just be
the good example.
Just continue to be the goodexample.
Do good things.
Say good things.
Don't talk about people.
Offer help.
Meditate.
Stay connected.

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Stay high frequency and yourenergies will help those around
you.
And the energies will help theenvironments around you as well.
So as people enter into yoursphere of existence, whether
it's where you work or where youlive, whether you're going to
the supermarket to buy food,they will feel uplifted.

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And that's what we should bedoing, is maintaining our
frequencies and help othersmaintain their frequencies in
whichever way we can.
We don't need to go seeking itbecause that can be detrimental.
People can think we're sort ofmessing with their lives or
interfering with their lives,for example.
What we need to do is just bethere and do the right thing and

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continuously do the right thing.
If you see rubbish on thesidewalk, if you've got the
chance to pick it up and put itin the bin, do so.
You might be picking up one Cokecan or one Sprite can or one
cigarette packet and put it inthe bin, people will see you

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doing that.
And they may not do itthemselves straight away, but
later they may feel the urge todo it themselves.
And eventually we start to getlots of people just picking up
other people's rubbish.
And then eventually people willexist in an environment where
there's no rubbish on the floorand they'll think, well, ah,
maybe I should put this in thebin rather than the sidewalk.

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And so these things do createa...
just a domino effect or snowballeffect.

SPEAKER_01 (18:24):
As I like to say, and I wrote a Kindle book called
Fast Waves.
It was kind of a children'sbook, but the point being, you
know, when you get into a pool,if there's people in there, even
if they're making slow waves,low vibrational being the
analogy, right?

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Even if one person gets in thatpool and starts making fast
waves, right?
positivity being the analogy,then the fast waves dominate
over the low waves.
And so what I'm hearing you sayis take every moment you can to
be the fast wave and trust thatthat is going to ripple its way

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through the universe and throughother people to create the
positive change that we're all Ithink everybody at least that is
listening to this program orwatching this program is
desiring.
Is that accurate?

SPEAKER_02 (19:22):
That's a good way to explain it.
Another way to explain it iseven in the darkest room, if
there's a pinhead of light, thenthat room isn't totally dark.
Yeah, I like that.
And that pinpoint of light isthe potential to change because
it's...
It's an irritation, it's anaberration to the dark.

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It's not homogenous.
And it's the same with yourwaves.
You're creating a wave upon awave upon a wave.
And that's the same thing.

SPEAKER_01 (19:56):
So is our, I guess, is it the media?
Is that why these low vibration,we're heading down this trend?
Is it because people are payingattention and watching and...
listening and giving energy tothe wrong things i mean without
passing judgment on them but imean it's the low vibrational

(20:16):
things um is just dominating theattention is that kind of why
we're experiencing this

SPEAKER_02 (20:23):
yeah there's two things one is the speed at which
social media has been introducedand and um of all different
types and sources and how it'sbeing used that creates a
snowball effect, a rapidsnowball effect.
In fact, it's almost a cliffedge effect, basically.

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And the devices that allow us tointeract in an instantaneous way
through social media are beingused by immature minds, those
minds that haven't grown up yet.

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And they're being influenced byindividuals who may be immature,
but they may be warped andtwisted as well.
Or they may be mature, but theymay be childlike.
And so that's one of the thingsthat's sort of happening is that
we're allowing various differentmediums that allow us to have
instant communication, which, bythe way, things like mobile

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telephones and all thesedifferent things, these
instantaneous communicationmethods are only a substitute
for us being able to communicatetelepathically.
and will detract us from doingthe work that allows us to raise
our frequencies and have thehigher functions of intuition,
clairsentience, clairaudience,telepathy, telekinesis,
teleportation.

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They're only physicalsubstitutes and they're
extremely limited.
So if we were to only allowindividuals of a certain age and
maturity profile andpsychological profile, I feel,
as well, to be able to use thesethings in a totally free way

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that they are right now, then wewould not be in the situation we
are currently, in the verymaterialistic world.
Because, I mean, I can remembera long time ago, we have a
saying in the UK, you know,we've got to keep up with the
Joneses, which is a way ofsaying you've got to, somebody
down the road in your suburb,your high street, is more

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wealthy than you are.
And to keep up appearances,you've got to sort of drive
around in the same level of carthat they've got, you know, have
the same flowers in the flowerbed, have good quality clothes,
et cetera.
But it takes a lot of effort todo that.
Why not be happy with where youare and not have the stress
associated with it?
And these sort of influences onthe internet create a lot of

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stress within young mindsbecause they think they need to
be the same as these people.
And more often than not, theycan't be.
And that creates confusion,anxiety, and ultimately
depression, and of course, lackof confidence.
And so we start to go throughthe route of, as you can see

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now, the world is seeing anepidemic in depression within
young people, because They'reexposed to things that they
can't handle yet because theyhaven't had the experience.
And more importantly, theyhaven't had the teachers with
the experience to help themnavigate through these choppy
waters.

SPEAKER_01 (23:37):
Yeah, I think that's something definitely I think
everybody can relate to.
There's someone in all of ourlives or maybe multiple people
in all of our lives who arestruggling with depression or
looking back and not being ableto move forward with gratitude

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and confidence.
And like you said earlier, wehave to live it ourselves and
trust that that vibration isgoing to be observed and catch
on.
I wonder if there's anythingelse you can share because
sometimes it's difficult towatch those we love struggle in

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this scenario, right?
and maybe not as quickly get tothe example that we're living
for them because they're sooverwhelmed with the depression
or the regret or the lack ofhope?

SPEAKER_02 (24:40):
Well, the underlying aspect is metaphysical.
The thing that creates where weare is that we need to be seen
to be with the right peopledoing the right things,
interacting with the rightmedia, interacting and getting
the right level of airtime.
And that's because inherently weare in communion.

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When we're out of the body,we're in communion with our true
entity self, our higher self,which is in communion with
source or that which the higherself has been individualized
from us as a volume ofsentience.
So we're always in communion insome way, shape or form, whether
it's some form ofcompartmentalized communion
within the volume of sentiencethat is our higher self or true
entity self.

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The Hindu is called the Godheador the Oversoul.
Or we are in some form ofdetached communion, where we're
still in communion, we're stilllinked with our true entities of
the higher self, but we're notspecifically within the same
volume of sentience.
But nevertheless, because of ourhigher frequency, we're in
contact with everything andevery entity instantaneously.

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And so we have this desire to bepart of something all the time
when we're here, because when weselect these lower frequencies,
even the higher frequencies ofthis particular universe, we are
still disconnected in some wayfrom our higher selves.
We are still working with asignificantly reduced

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communicative bandwidth thatmeans that we're almost isolated
from a connectivity perspectivewith our trinitic self.
And that's why we start tobecome body associated and we
start to lose the memory pointof who we really are and start
to become governed by thedevelopment of a um the

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personality that's associatedwith this incarnation that we
call the ego and so if we canrecognize this and recognize
that we need to maintain ahigher frequency and help these
people by saying actually theway to the way to being happy
isn't about being part ofsomething from a material

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perspective like being in a gangor a group or being seen on
television or being aninfluencer or being one of an
influencer's followers.
You see these pop artists, forexample, or rock groups, and
they've got lots of devotees andfollowers.
If we can move away from thatlevel of connectivity that need

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to be in that sort of group, buttry to better our frequencies by
meditation and connecting to thegreater reality or those
entities that are in and aroundour true energetic selves or
part of our true energeticselves or a part of the
individualization of senses fromother true energetic or higher

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selves, then we would achieve adifferent level of communion,
not just communion in thephysical sense or the
psychological sense, butcommunion in the holistic sense.
And so teaching young minds thatactually this is better than
what you're experiencing nowbecause there is no detrimental

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influence other than the way tounderstand who, what you really
are.
And that gives you unbelievableamounts of joy and confidence
and removes all forms of anxietyand depression.
But first you've got to detachfrom these addictions.
And we have to do it in a waythat is not pressurizing them

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because they'll reject that, butletting them think it's their
decision based upon seeingenough positive evidence as a
result of it.

SPEAKER_01 (28:30):
Yeah.
One of the things that I wantedto, I think it's a nice segue
here.
I've had a couple of people onrecent guests on the podcast
that we've talked about themasculine versus feminine
dimensions of ourselves andsociety, how we've been ruled

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really by the masculine forcesover the last several centuries
and that really we're out ofbalance in that regard.
And I wonder what your opinionis of that and what your
thoughts to kind of build onthat concept of getting more
toward a balanced masculine andfeminine existence And could

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that be part of what we'reseeing here is we've kind of, we
were moving more toward afeminine, you know, influence in
our society and more towardsbalance.
And now we've kind of steppedaway from that and gone more
into the masculine.
I just wonder if that resonateswith you or what your thoughts
are on that concept.

SPEAKER_02 (29:37):
Although history might say, well, the recent
history, which is what we knowabout, might tell us otherwise,
there has been a number ofdifferent perspectives that have
come to prominence and fallenthat have been feminine
orientated.
The feminine side of the humandichotomy has been the

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leadership side.
I mean, right now it's the maleside.
And then we're getting a sort ofa catch-up effect where we're
very quickly becoming very, verywoke.
And we're promoting the femaleside, which I've got no problem
at all with that at all.
But we're in overcompensationmode and that creates a

(30:21):
disturbance.
There needs to be a balanced wayof doing it.
And one of the overcompensationsis that we are creating this
condition where there's lots ofshades of grey in between what
is specifically male orspecifically female.

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And clearly there are souls whoincarnate into a body that is
male.
and they're expected to befemale, or they've had lots and
lots and lots of incarnations inthe female form, and they quite,
quite shake the female mentalityin their soul when they come
into a male body, and vice versafor the male to the female.

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So you start to get the reasonswhy we have people who are drawn
towards the male partnershipside when they're male and
people who are drawn towards thefemale partnership side when
they're female and then you getpeople who transition from one
sex to another sex eithermentally psychologically or
therefore psychologically orphysically and vice versa and

(31:26):
you've got bits in the middle,different associations people
associate themselves withanimals now or something else I
think all these things are finebut they're a distraction from
the duality that is here there'san argument there that's within
the British Parliament now,where we're saying that a woman

(31:47):
is a biological woman.
What's a, well, a transgenderperson who's had the operation
is a biological woman.
It's what you're born with thatcounts as being whether you're
male or female.
And that's it.
It's very obvious, very sort ofblack and white.
What you do later is up to you.
But there needs to be, you know,recognition of what is the

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mainstream understanding andeverything else is a choice
after that.
So we need to recognize choice,but also we need to recognize
that we can overcompensate andcreate a disturbance that
creates resentment.
And that's what we don't want todo.
The ideology is that we aretotally equal, whether we're
male, female, whether we'rehomosexual male, lesbian female,

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whether we've transitioned frommale to female or female to
male, or whether it's somethingin the middle.
It doesn't matter.
It's what we do that counts.
Somebody can talk about doingsomething all their life, but
it's the action that counts.
And if we can see that, again,we're just souls in a human

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body, you know, it can beneuter, it can be eunuch, it can
be like a born that doesn't havesex associated with it at all,
which is what you see some ofthe civilizations in the other
parts of the galaxy are like,that we will be able to
recognize that the balance isaccepting the neutral, and

(33:17):
that's the way forwards.
If you're left of the neutral,it doesn't matter.
If you're right of the neutral,it doesn't matter.
Everything is equal.
And that's the most importantbit.
Everything should be equalised.
And I'll guess that if we takemy previous statement that
there's been plenty ofcivilisations that have been
governed by the female side, andthat's flipped over to the side

(33:40):
of the next civilisation, it'sgoverned by the male side, and
then we flip back again.
If you think about that we arethe seventh of a succession of
highly civilised, so to speak,incarnate human vehicles, then
we should be now embracing theduality and creating a lack of
duality and that everything isequal.

(34:03):
And that in itself creates adynamic where we start to move
away from the status side or thematerialistic side and people
will start to be treated withtotal equality in all ways.
That's again, it's a part ofthis collectivism function that
we will eventually, move downtowards um should we move

(34:27):
outside of our current dystopianpresence

SPEAKER_01 (34:31):
so let's explore that a little bit further just
that we are the seventh umgeneration let's share with our
listeners you know yourperspective on that and what
you've learned um about the iguess the six other preceding i
don't know if generation is eventhe right word word for it

SPEAKER_02 (34:49):
well

SPEAKER_01 (34:49):
it

SPEAKER_02 (34:50):
My understanding, most of this is in the first
book of the history of God, bythe way, but basically what's
happened is that we were giventhe opportunity to experience
individualised free will at avery high frequency.
And so we, as souls, wereallowed to move in and out of
bodies at will.
So we wouldn't sort of move intoa body and use it and then it

(35:12):
demises and then we move outagain.
We would move in and out ofbodies.
And that meant that I couldexperience what you've
experienced, and you couldexperience what I've
experienced, and I couldexperience what Barack Obama's
experienced, I could experiencewhat Donald Trump's experienced,
I could experience what KingCharles is experiencing, you
know, all these differentthings, but it's a much higher
level.
And then that got corrupted insome way, because there was a

(35:36):
number of different things thatwere being, so to say,
experienced that were theenergies of such were being
maintained within the body.
So the next soul that came inaccepted those energies as well.
And then when that soul movedout, that dysfunction, as it
were, was passed on to the nextbody.
So he started to get acatastrophic effect.
And as a result of that, we'vegone through a number of

(35:58):
different scenarios where thebodies have gradually reduced in
frequency over the time,resulting in a number of
different rises and falls incivilization.
We talk about the Atlanteanperiod, That was one of them.
That was the one preceding thisone.
Now, we've got the Egyptians,we've got the Byzantine period,
we've got a mixture of theRomo-Greco period, we've got

(36:22):
philosophy and mathematics,stroke, you know,
technologically advancedthinking process and application
process moulding together.
That could have been a reallygood springboard to work from
but that got corrupted as welland so and so we didn't although

(36:43):
it wasn't specifically a bigcivilization it's worldwide like
we are now but not connected itcould have been much much better
so it come down the frequenciesand various different body types
have been imported or survivedthe dropping frequencies as a
result of that so the differentcolors in in in genomes and body
types we've got as a human beingaren't specifically a function

(37:06):
of evolution or darwinianevolution Some of them are.
There are little bits in themiddle where the body types have
actually adapted to a lowerfrequency and become what they
are.
But the others that aredramatically different have been
imported from differentlocations within the physical
universe.
They've got humanoid body typesthat are of the right level of

(37:27):
frequency that we can repopulatethe planet with because there
was too many lost, so to speak.
So in essence, we've gotcivilisations we know about we
know about the sumerians whichare quite which are also a very
good civilization not part ofthe seven but they were a bit in
between same with the mayans forexample they're also a bit in

(37:48):
the middles and most of thesehave either fallen totally but
some parts of them have alsomaintained their frequencies and
going to the next level offrequency which is what we call
the fourth frequency or the orthe lower astral levels so
they're still they're still youknow civilization on earth it's
just that we don't see them orperceive them because our
frequencies are lower thantheirs and so it's like trying

(38:11):
to see a gas a very rare gas bythe way so we don't see them but
these civilizations withoutgiving them names samaria was
one that was before around theAtlantean period as well, which
is before it.
Sometimes there can be a veryquick transition for one
civilization to the other.

(38:32):
And that's where civilizationdoesn't necessarily need to be
technologically advanced to bean advanced civilization.
This is the hiccup we have, thebanana skin, you know, the
pothole that we go down is wethink that an advanced
civilization is one that istechnologically advanced.
It's not.
It's how they interact with eachother how they connect with the

(38:55):
earth, the environment, and howthey remain connected with their
higher selves and the rest ofthose entities that are not
incarnate or are incarnate, butat a higher frequency within the
physical universe or the localewithin this particular galaxy.
So a higher civilization doesn'tnecessarily leave anything

(39:17):
behind.
You know, they can...
so to speak, but what they'veleft behind is nothing.
We've got plenty of examples ofcoherent civilization around the
world with the pyramids.
Earlier this year, I went toMexico and a lot of different
pyramids around there.

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Chichen Itza is one of them.
We went to a lot of others aswell.
And you can see when you startto look at the ratios and
dimensions of these things,although they're not quite
pyramids, the dimensions and theratios, the associating ratios
are the same around the world.
whether you go to see those thatare under the seas in the Sea of

(39:57):
Japan, whether you see them inEgypt, whether you see them in
Cambodia, they're all the same.
So there was a differentinteractive, homogenous
worldwide civilization that hadits own culture associated with
it.
But again, if all they leave issolid state technology, such as

(40:21):
rocks glued together, then wedon't see what they really were
as a civilization.
We only try to work it out bytrying to put our own technology
as a basis for working out theirtechnology.
And their technology might justhave been the case of providing
a center point for collectivemeditation.

(40:43):
And that's it.

SPEAKER_01 (40:44):
So spiritual advancement versus technological
advancement is a key point.

SPEAKER_02 (40:51):
Absolutely.
Sometimes technologicaladvancement leads to the
possibility of spiritualadvancement because, as we said
in the 70s and 80s, we're goingto have all these computers
governing everything.
We're going to have lots of freetime to be able to do whatever
we want to because the machinesare going to do all the
manufacturing.
It didn't actually work out thatway.

(41:13):
But in fact, it became morecomplicated.
But the point is thatspiritually advanced
civilisations will always belight years away from a
technological advancedcivilization because they don't
need to have the technology tobe able to do what the
technology does

SPEAKER_01 (41:35):
right

SPEAKER_02 (41:36):
that's that's the stepping stone

SPEAKER_01 (41:38):
when we think about i mean we just um you know we
just came off of the easterholiday and um you know the the
resurrection of jesus christ andyou know the brings a lot of
hope for a lot of people.
And, you know, the second comingof Christ is often talked about,
right?
And a lot of folks talk aboutthat being really a different

(42:03):
spirituality, the Christconsciousness being the second
coming.
Are we talking about that?
Is that part of the ascensionprocess or what we've taken a
step back from or what helpedclarify some of my question
around that?

SPEAKER_02 (42:20):
Well, to be christened was to be purified.
And the legend states that Johnthe Baptist purified Christ
before he became the minister ofhis teachings, basically.
So to be christened is to bepurified.
If you're purified, you're notaddicted to anything physical.

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You're in the physical, butyou're not of the physical.
And so Say the second coming ofChrist, when the first coming of
Christ was just simply somebodywho was helping us to see
ourselves, helping us to seeourselves, giving us methods.
Sometimes it was in storiesbecause the educational level of
the individuals at the time andthe language base of the

(43:06):
individuals at the time was solow that they wouldn't have been
able to understand higherconcepts, but through stories
they could understand thesethings, albeit in a metaphoric
way.
But the whole point of you beingchristened is that you're
purified and therefore you'renot anchored here and therefore
your frequency is higher andtherefore your ability to

(43:27):
connect with other entities,your true and authentic self and
other aspects of your true andauthentic self whilst you
incarnate is there.
So the second coming is, as youalluded to, an internal thing.
It's our ability to connect toothers other entities, and of

(43:50):
course ourselves, our higherselves, whilst incarnate.
And even connect with Sourcewhilst incarnate.
And in some rare instances, thatwhich is beyond Source whilst
incarnate.
And so it's all about anascension process this is

(44:11):
within.
And it's not an easy process.
even for those who are, shall wesay, educated or shown the right
way from birth, have difficultyin continuing this process.
We have this legend or thisstory about Jesus going into the

(44:34):
desert and having 40 days and 40nights arguing with the devil,
who was giving him theopportunity to, you know, you
could be a rich person, youcould manifest wealth, you can
govern lands, you can do this.
He wasn't with the devil, he waswith himself, with his ego,
because he knew that the skillshe had been taught in that

(44:55):
period where he disappeared,which is meditation and
connection, could be used forpersonal aggrandizement.
But he eventually chose theright path where he was going to
show people how to achieve thesame as him.
And he achieved that in a numberof different individuals.

(45:16):
The 12 couples of disciples, the12 male and the 12 female,
because very male-orientatedsociety doesn't recognise
females as being equals, so theyget left out of the picture.
So that's why we've only got 12male disciples, but there's 12
female disciples.
Sometimes they're married to themale disciple.

(45:38):
So we need to understand this.
Ascension liberation orself-awareness is something that
we have to work in ourselves andgenerate within ourselves and
that creates self-awareness orself-realization or wakefulness

(45:59):
and that's what the secondcoming is all about the vast
majority of the population ofthe earth won't achieve that
some will small number will butthat small number makes a
massive difference

SPEAKER_01 (46:13):
Well, it's almost like when I hear you say that,
what I think about is to denythat and to think more of it's a
physical second coming is a wayto avoid the accountability of
yourself and to wait onsomething happening
materialistic to appear, i.e.

(46:34):
another person, another physicalbeing of Christ, when it's far
much more difficult to evolvewithin and to become what Jesus
said we could all be.

SPEAKER_02 (46:45):
Well, it wasn't just Jesus.
It was Muhammad.
It was the Buddha and countlessother individuals that we've not
mentioned, including theso-called assembly masters
around the world.
I mean, every continent had anumber of individuals doing a
similar thing and some of themrecorded history and some of
them haven't.

(47:05):
And so we have to look at thebigger picture of all of this is
that there's lots of differentways to achieve these things.
to achieve ascension, to achieveconnectivity.
Some of it is a lifestyle, someof it's meditation, some of it
is understanding balance in theworld, some of it is acceptance
that everything is equal.

(47:27):
And depending upon the teacher,the primary teacher, the first
person who has identified thisas a way forwards, and their
understanding depends on howfast the student might ascend to
that level.
but at the end of the day theyall get there sometimes it's
fast sometimes it's a bit slowerit doesn't matter because each

(47:51):
of those different ways createsthe possibility within the
individual what we have to do isdetach from the human vagary
associated with it because someof these different religions
have been used to control mediumand i can understand that
because You know, when we're acouple of thousand years in the

(48:11):
past or a thousand years in thepast, we're in a really low
frequency state.
And the only way to ascend or tocreate self-awareness was to be
absolutely rigidly following therules.
You know, there was no fasttrack.
It was very, very, very hardwork and a lifetime's work.
And a moment of realization,probably a day or so or an hour

(48:32):
or so before you leave theincarnation.
So, We have to respecteverything as being a potential
way forward and allow it tocoalesce into one toolkit for
ascension, rather than say myway is better than yours, or
your way is dysfunctional, oryour way is blasphemy.

(48:54):
It's complete nonsense.
We are all souls that areindividualized from our higher
selves, which in turn wasindividualized volume of
sentence from the source.
We're all the souls, so why dowe fight each other?

SPEAKER_01 (49:12):
Yeah, it's interesting.
I appreciate your perspective onthe appreciation of these
rigorous religious viewpointsand why they were I think
sometimes they get in, you know,they get in the way.
Like I brought up the pointabout accountability.
It's very easy just to wait, youknow, and say, well, you know, I

(49:32):
don't have to really work onmyself because Jesus is going to
return and save all of this,right?
And that's, you know, I think aresult of the control mechanisms
that have been put into place toavoid that accountability of us
moving forward.
And so I can appreciate yourpositivity around that.

UNKNOWN (49:52):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (49:52):
I mean, I know that one of the religions says you
have to fight for your religion.
You have to fight for yourleader.
It's not fighting outside.
It's fighting within.
It's fighting to move beyond thevagaries of the ego, the
attachments and the addictionsto low-frequency existence, such
as status and material wealthand one-upmanship.

(50:16):
It's an internal fight, not anexternal fight.
And this is another link intothe second coming, because every
religion on the planet has thecapability of creating awareness
within the self and theconnectivity to source, whether
it's yoga or whether it'sBuddhism, whether it's Islam,

(50:39):
whether it's Christianity,whether it's Judaism.
They've all got the capacity.
It's just humans getting in theway.

SPEAKER_01 (50:47):
No, it's very well said.
I really appreciate that.
I think you've brought it fullcircle back to your point of
detachment so that we canactually become more spiritually
oriented, regardless of what thereligious label may or may not
be.
I think that's a, you know, Ijust wonder if there's any,

(51:07):
we're getting near the end ofour time.
What other insights might youoffer as we think about wrapping
up this conversation and arounddetachment and any new work that
you may be doing?

SPEAKER_02 (51:20):
Well, very quickly, just to lead into the last bit.
Think of your religion as a modeof public transport.
And you're all going to the samecity.
The fact that your publictransport might be a bus or a
train or an aeroplane or a caror a motorbike or a pushbike or
hitchhiking is immaterial.

(51:42):
That's the route you've taken.
They all get to the same place.
It's just the vehicle isslightly different.
That's it.
Not one vehicle is better thanthe other.
Some of them give you a depth ofunderstanding.
Some of them give you the speedof the understanding.
Some of them give you a level ofunderstanding across everything.

(52:04):
Some of them give youspecialized understanding.
Everything counts becauseeverything is absorbed by our
higher self, which is absorbedby source.
So everything we experience anddo It's part of our evolutionary
process and part of our abilityto evolve.
So don't worry about whetheryou're going on a pushback,
whether somebody else is goingin an aeroplane.

(52:26):
It doesn't matter.
Your journey is just asimportant as theirs, and theirs
is just as important as yours.
That's the most important thing.

SPEAKER_01 (52:37):
That's wonderful.
Leading on to other

SPEAKER_02 (52:38):
things, the book that's just about to be
published called Beyond theOrigin, which I've classified as
an event-based odyssey, which isa rather presumptuous subtitle,
is really showing that we canand we have the capacity to,
should we give ourselves theopportunity, understand or link

(53:03):
in, not with the present, butwith the present.
And this book was very hard workbecause it was me communicating
with the the origin of thesource, of the sources, the
larger volume of sentience thatoccupies structured space, and

(53:24):
moving through a function ofstructured space, which is
called event space, toexperience what we, in our
linear existence, we call thefuture.
It's just another part of theoverall nowness.
And so my initial connectivitywith it, a long time ago, was

(53:46):
just one point.
It's like one exposure on a reelof cinema film.
The ability to rise up thefrequencies allows us to see
more of these exposuresconcurrently.
So we start to see a movingpicture.
If it was a cinema film, goingpast our eyes at 60 frames a
second, 60 Hertz, we'reincreasing frequency.

(54:07):
If we increase our frequencysubstantially, we can absorb all
of the information, all of theslides, all the images, on the
whole of that cinema film in onego.
So we've got the whole can ofcinema film we can see in one
go.
And that's what event spaceallows us to do.
Not just pick on, see one eventper second, we can see all

(54:29):
events concurrently.
And so rather than being limitedto communicating with the origin
in this version of it, I've beenable to communicate with this in
other versions of it and see itsown sort of future, so to speak,
from our perspective.
in a linear way being able todip into a particular exposure

(54:51):
on the can of film rather thanthe start and have to go from
the start to the end slowlydoing this we can just dip into
it and everything else so it wasreally profound being able to
understand the structure ofstructured space and that
structured space is simply anaberration in unstructured space

(55:11):
or nothingness and it's not evenperceivable as a volume or
sphere of structured spacewithin a non-structured space.
It's an aberration.
And this aberration doesn'tallow anything to exist beyond

(55:33):
it, except when that which isnot structured can be classified
as structured.
In a very abstract way.
And therefore allowing in a,from our perspective, a linear
perspective, a future that's sofar away that there's no way we
could ever understand it becauseright now the origin is

(55:57):
occupying only the first fewlevels of structure within the
first of 12 levels of structure.
There's 12 levels of structurewithin each 12 levels of
structure.
It's still in the first level.
But eventually it goes beyondthat and occupies all of it.
and then finds a way to gooutside of it.
And we all do it as the origin.

(56:18):
Not as individualised units.
We go through various differentevolutionary stages to get
there.
Yeah, evolutionary stages to getthere.
Or cycles to get there.
But eventually, we all become,we all are back in as the
origin.
And the origin then moves out ofstructured space and starts to

(56:40):
create other pockets ofstructured space, which isn't a
limitation because the structurespace is a limitation by
default, but it's creating thepotential for infinite
structured space within thatwhich is unstructured space.
That sounds a bit scientific anda bit sort of over one's head
and over my head as well.

(57:01):
It just shows that there is pureinfinity.

SPEAKER_01 (57:07):
It's beyond our current level.
I wonder what your thought is,what comes to mind when you, to
listen to you and to try to wrapmy mind around what you're
saying.
There was a Nikolai Tesla quote,I'm not exactly sure what he was
doing or what experiments he wasdoing, but he's, I recall him
saying that he could see thepast, present and future all at

(57:29):
the same time.
And I wonder if that's similarto what you're talking about.
He reached a certain vibrationof, you know, like your Hertz
and frame by frame example.
I mean, is that what he wassaying?

SPEAKER_02 (57:43):
Basically, yes.
He was seeing thingsholistically.
He was seeing, he was connectedto his higher self, which is
beyond physicality.
It's beyond linearity.
And therefore, from ourperspective here, everything
that we classify as being past,present, and future happens in
the now.
Or has happened.
Or is happening.

(58:03):
Or will happen.
Or should happen.
Or could happen.
Well, possibly might happen, buthas happened.
So he was very connected.
And so was Edison as well.
Edison was a bit of a battlebetween Edison and Tesla.
They were both connected, butTesla didn't have the earthly

(58:25):
link to be able to be a goodmarketeer.
He was more interested in whathe was discovering and trying to
show it to the rest of the worldrather than trying to make
rather than trying to make abusiness out of it, which is
what Edison did.

SPEAKER_01 (58:42):
Very interesting guy.
I appreciate your time.
Thank you so much for joiningus.
It's always a pleasure to catchup with you and best of luck.
You said it's called Beyond theOrigin.
Is that the new book?
Yeah,

SPEAKER_02 (58:54):
the new book is in pre-order now.
It's pre-order from my...
publisher, Ozark 19 Publishing,and it's on pre-order from
Amazon.
Now, Amazon say it's availablein October onwards.
That's a placeholder.
They always do that.
So it'll be available maybe inthe next four to five weeks.
And just very quickly before wefinish, we've now published the

(59:16):
last and the fifth WorldSatsanga book, which is the
transcriptions edited andcompiled by Ula Sarmiento, who
transcribed them from the verystart.
So we've worked together, butshe's done a lot of work, an
awful lot of work.
So I'll give her lots of praisefor this because it's fantastic.
But all the lectures, some ofthe choice meditations as well,

(59:42):
we've taken together along withquestions and answers that
explains all of the things wediscussed over the last, well,
since 2012, basically.
So they're available on Amazonas well, and they've just gone
audio.
So they've been available aspaperbacks, There's Kindles, and
now they've just got audio.
So you can listen to the websitesaying, your car on the way to
work.
How exciting is that?

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:04):
That's great.
Thank you for sharing that.
That's wonderful and good news.
Well, thank you again.
If you want to hang on for asecond, I'd like to just chat
with you as we wrap up.
But Guy Needler, thank you forjoining the show.
It's always great to see you.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:19):
Thank you for letting me be on your show.
Thank you for letting me share,and thank you for letting me
talk too much.
It's always an honor, but I doappreciate that I can talk.
Thank you, everybody.
I appreciate your time.

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