August 6, 2025 • 48 mins
In this heartfelt and expansive conversation, we explore the remarkable life of Leigh Taylor-Young—Emmy-winning actress, spiritual teacher, and humanitarian. From her early rise in Hollywood with breakout roles in Peyton Place and Soylent Green, to her profound spiritual journey with the Movement of Spiritual Inner Awareness (MSIA), Leigh shares stories from a life lived on both the screen and the soul’s path. We discuss the evolution of her career, her commitment to inner growth, and how she has gracefully bridged the worlds of creativity, consciousness, and service. This episode offers an intimate look at a life guided by purpose, presence, and passion.
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Hello, welcome to the show.
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Today, we're honored to welcomeLee Taylor Young, an Emmy
Award-winning actress whoseremarkable journey spans
Hollywood stardom, profoundspiritual exploration, and
impactful humanitarian work.
From her breakout roles inPeyton Place and films alongside
icons like Peter Sellers, to hercourageous decision to step away
from fame in pursuit of deepermeaning, Lee's life is a
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testament to authenticity andinner peace.
Her spiritual quest has takenher from the Red Rocks of Santa
Fe to the Himalayas, and herwork with organizations like the
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Good morning, Lee Taylor Young.
Nice to see you again.
Thank you so much for being onthe show.
It's
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wonderful to see you, Ashley.
Thank you.
We had a fun morning gettingtogether.
SPEAKER_01 (03:26):
Yes, we have.
Well, that's good.
I'm glad to see you now.
And thank you for your patienceand getting this put together
this morning.
SPEAKER_03 (03:34):
And me too.
Thank you.
SPEAKER_01 (03:37):
Yeah, here we are.
You know, it's great to see youagain.
I'm excited to talk to you andlearn more about your remarkable
life.
I lots of great experiences inyour life and I'd love to learn
more, but I'd love to just startby understanding what initially
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drew you to acting and how hasthat passion for performance
really intertwined with yourspiritual journey?
SPEAKER_03 (04:07):
Oh, that's a great question.
Especially your words, passionfor performance, because
ironically, Well, it's often thecase with artists.
I was very introverted as achild, and in my teens, I was
very, very introverted.
But the one thing that my motherstarted me on at age four, with
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great consistency anddedication, since I couldn't
drive, she would take me todance class about four times a
week, ballet classes.
And I loved it.
I loved the discipline.
I loved the music.
I loved movement.
I had a lot of energy.
And then when I was 13, myparents took me to New York City
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and I saw my first Broadwayplay, which was a musical.
And I just thought, it was likePaul going to Damascus.
It was like, oh my God, this iswhat I want to do, which was
expression, which didn't come tome so easily.
you know, as a natural thing tobe in front of people and to
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express, just wasn't the draw.
But when I saw the music and thejoy, and because I understood
the discipline of dance so well,I just, it was a convergent
moment.
So...
I ended up at NorthwesternUniversity.
My father's hopes would be bymaking sure I majored in
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economics that this would be theantidote to my absolute lack of
interest or understanding of howmoney worked.
And he hoped that this would bethe answer.
Well, within the first quarter,a young lady who had become my
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friend, for which I wasenormously excited that I had a
friend, invited, she was in thetheater school, which was a
famous school, I later foundout, the theater school at
Northwestern.
And she invited me to come tothe class and then we would go
to lunch together.
She said, just walk into thetheater in the dark, just sit
there and you'll see the class.
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I walked in in the dark, satdown and it was another moment
where I watched this, who Ilater realized was a very famous
acting teacher at Northwestern,Alvina Krauss.
She was about five foot two andan absolute terror.
She was in her seventies.
The only thing she was missing astick but she was a revelation
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in how the actors would do ascene she'd stop them she'd talk
to them but what she would sayand then what they would do that
became so much more alive and somuch more so it was like okay
this is what i want to do thisis what i want to do i want to
be an actress because i realizedthat i could speak through a
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character I could, in a way, itwas, I guess, kind of
predictable that I could findsuch a wonderful way to be safe
in a legal expression in a playbehind a character.
So I went the next day withouttelling my parents, changed my
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major to theater.
Wow.
then just started hanging outwith everybody in the theater
school, auditioning for plays,met my first mentor there, who
became a genuine mentor intheater to me, introduced me to
Sir John Gielgud, moreShakespeare, worked with my
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voice, which was veryMidwestern.
He said, that's a no-no.
We have got to change the wayyou talk.
All your vowels are squished.
So I would say things like, Ican get you something.
And he'd say, it's can get, youknow, open up the throat.
And he remains a close friend tothis day well into his 80s.
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But at any rate, it set me onthat path.
And within four years from thatepiphany, I was on Broadway.
So my intention was so lit up sofierce.
And I had so much disciplinebecause of ballet.
Ballet is a very, verydisciplined art form.
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And I loved it.
I loved that discipline.
So I just, it was in my nature.
I had a military father whoexpressed his fatherhood with a
certain tonality of themilitary.
So I was kind of familiar to thededication that theater would
take.
to achieving my goal, which froma Midwestern town in Detroit, it
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was like very far away.
But, you know, I got into aschool in New York and I just,
that's all I dedicated myselfto.
And I got that.
And then within a few months Iwas in California and by
serendipity ended up as thelead, one of the leads in Peyton
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Place.
then it just took off from there
SPEAKER_01 (09:28):
well you had such rapid success um it had to be
just a whirlwind i'm interestedin just like how what was the
transformation like for you fromthat going from a small
midwestern girl who you know nowall of a sudden was seemingly
had it all in terms of uh interms of fame and and being an
actress and and all of thatexperience
SPEAKER_03 (09:51):
i did not have that measurement in me of oh i'm
famous or oh i'm successful ijust love to work i love to do
the work that was my focus theexcitement in a new character
the excitement of havingresponsibility the excitement of
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stepping up to the challengethat was where my focus was i
didn't do a lot of evaluatingthat, oh, now I was this or now
I was that.
I really didn't see through thatlens easily.
I mean, never in my life have Idone that.
You could either say it was agreat value or a weakness.
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I don't know.
But I could never...
Patting myself on the back andsaying, you've done this, this,
or this.
Every once in a while, when Ilook at my curriculum vitae, I
go...
Really?
Cause it's so big, all the jobs,all the different, I've always
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had an inner North star.
That's also been a big part ofit all.
I kind of listen.
And if I get it, I go and I giveit up, give it my all.
SPEAKER_01 (11:14):
Well, it's interesting.
There's, I want to get into, youknow, cause you kind of, You've
spoken before about theemptiness that you felt at that
time when you walked away fromHollywood.
There's a current sports storygoing on, a golfer named Scotty
Scheffler.
I don't know if you're aware ofwho he
SPEAKER_03 (11:33):
is.
Oh, very.
In fact, if I look too carefullyto the right, I'll see him on
the big screen over in thecorner.
SPEAKER_01 (11:39):
Okay, yeah.
He should be winning right now,I think.
He is.
Yeah.
I don't know if you've heard thestory this week about what he
said, but it reminded me of you,and I wanted to get your opinion
on this, but he said somethingabout being unfulfilled in, you
know, he's a three time majorchampion and he's the number one
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golfer in the world.
And but he he was talking abouthow that doesn't make him happy.
And he was interviewed quiteextensively about it.
And he was talking about reallyfocusing on his family.
That's where he finds his joy.
But, you know, it made me thinkof you and your story about, you
know, the emptiness that youspoke about and you walked away
from Hollywood and reallystarted a different life going
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to Santa Fe.
I just wonder if you haveanything to share on that, given
the relevance of what he'ssaying.
I
SPEAKER_03 (12:35):
would consider with Scotty that there's another call
in him that's asking him to lookmore deeply.
Because I think when we do havethat fulfillment and
satisfaction, we're on point.
we're on point with our lifethat's why the satisfaction is
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there we're in alignment withour goals with our heart uh
that's all if if he's notsatisfied um then his his heart
soul may be calling him toeither appreciate more deeply
family or to extend his visionabout who and what he might be
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and who and what he might do.
For me, I so loved my work infilm.
But what really, it wasn't likeit was empty.
It was more like I really wasdeveloping a stronger call to
another path that made mestaying in this path not
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fulfilling.
because there was another call.
And there really was anothercall.
And I had been in my parallellife with my acting, had always
been a seeker ever since I was alittle girl.
It was a through line in my lifeto, I wanted to learn.
I wanted to not know out of ego,but I wanted to know something
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that matched up deeply insidemyself.
I was a prolific all my lifesince I was three.
a prolific reader.
I loved books.
I loved words.
I knew those words had mysteriesfor me, even if I didn't
understand them yet.
I wanted to learn to read.
I never had any interest inmathematics or hard science.
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I just didn't.
My interest was history.
biographies, people's lives, themystery of being alive, nature.
Fortunately, I had a grandfatherwho was a farmer and was very
attuned, and he was also aprofessor.
So He was very attuned to mynature, so he fulfilled me
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greatly.
He would homeschool me parallelto my schooling so that this
sort of aphoricious curiosityand enthusiastic interest could
be tapped and like feeding abird.
He would do things like give me,I was such a good reader, he
would give me the Greeks and theRomans and have me read it.
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And then at night, aftereverybody had gone to bed, we'd
meet in the living room and hewould Socratically ask me
questions that would guide myunderstanding of things.
When I was 13 from India, hebrought me Autobiography of a
Yogi and he had met Yogananda.
And my grandfather also was aminister.
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And he gave me this book and Ijust devoured it.
And for the first time, here wassomeone talking about
experiences that I was having.
I was having mysticalexperiences, didn't know it.
I could hear things other peopledidn't seem to hear.
I never did much speaking aboutit, except with my grandfather.
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And then he gave me this and Iwent, I'm not that weird.
SPEAKER_02 (16:09):
And
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so that really set my course as a parallel course.
Anything artistic that I wouldpursue was always this parallel
course to read, if not bookslike Autobiography Yogi, to read
things like Kazanzakis orTeilhard de Chardin.
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you know, things that were, formy young mind, very fulfilling
to read and were affirmative.
SPEAKER_01 (16:44):
Yeah.
In reading about you, I did pickup on the fact that your
grandfather was a veryinfluential part of your life.
Is that, you know, is that whereyou really got your motivation
for spirit and to really seekGod within?
SPEAKER_03 (17:04):
I honestly think that was already alive in me.
I loved to be alone.
I was not social.
I didn't go, oh, I want to gohang with a girlfriend or kids.
I really didn't know how to dothat.
I felt so awkward.
My happy place was in my roomwith a book.
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I loved archeology very young.
The mysteries of the ancientpast, Egypt, I mean, when I was
10 years old, I was into Egypt.
When I was 11, I found a bookon, believe it or not,
Akhenaten, a little thin book inthe school, middle school
library.
And I just devoured that bookbecause I think later, I think I
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had a resonance with thatlifetime was probably why it was
so lit up.
But no, I think I came in withthis and my grandfather was
there as a guiding light.
to help me develop skills thatwould lead me more confidently
forward.
I
SPEAKER_01 (18:12):
was going to say, give you that confidence to keep
going with that path, right?
SPEAKER_03 (18:15):
Yeah.
And my husband can attest tothis day, you come into the
bedroom, I probably have 10books around my feet.
I even have a girlfriend who Ihad, a lovely actress, Leslie
Ann Warren, a very dear friendfor 50 years.
We were having lunch the otherday.
She said, do you remember, doyou still like books?
I said, more than ever.
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She said, I just remembervisiting you in your bedroom,
and you'd think it should be abedroom, but it was, books were
everywhere.
It looked like you were readingall of them.
I mean, I have a detective thinginside, too, that...
Like right now, I'm on theprophets.
I get an urge for something, andthen I just have to follow it.
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You know, questions in my mindlike, what does it mean to be
the chosen people?
Where did that start?
Where did the 12 tribes start?
Where did the first covenantwith God start for Israel?
And now I'm on to the prophetsin the Old Testament.
It started there, and now I'minto Jeremiah and the other
prophets.
prophets and i can't tell youthat has a goal but it's very
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satisfying it's answeringsomething
SPEAKER_01 (19:28):
what i know you're just you're in the middle of
this um exploration with theprophets but share with us what
have you learned so far what'sthe most fascinating thing
you've learned about them inyour learnings yet
SPEAKER_03 (19:40):
i would say a great respect for their courage
because they carried aconsciousness that was elevated
in the times in which theylived.
It was elevated in understandingfar beyond the pagan religions
that also were still in the landand pagan mentality.
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And Jeremiah is just about myfavorite because his courage to
tell the truth no matter what.
He warned at great cost to hislife constantly because he was
taking on the priesthood.
He was taking on the king.
He was taking on the powers thatbe.
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He was taking on his version ofice and saying, this is wrong.
You are breaking your covenantwith God to love God, to honor
God.
You have idols.
You're corrupt.
And if you keep it up, he wasbasically saying, you're going
to get the karma of this becauseyou made an agreement with God.
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You made a covenant, and you'rebreaking it.
It's like when you don't keepyour word, and you say you will,
and then you don't.
It's an itty-bitty form of that.
It's got a karmic feel to it.
You said you would, and then youdon't.
And so to him, Israel wasbreaking its word with God.
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And he found it to be veryserious because he knew in his
visions that Babylon was lurkingalong the edges and that if
Israel didn't reinstate itsloyalty to spirit and to God, it
was going to pay the price.
And it did.
He warned and warned and warnedfor a long time.
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And then Babylon came in, toredown the temple, Solomon's
temple, took all that was insideand then took the people.
And it was a big pay, but theydidn't listen.
And Jesus himself sat and lookedat the gates of Jerusalem and
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cried, wept, said, you're doingit again.
You know, because that covenantwas serious.
But I think what Jesus did thatwas so amazing is he absorbed
the karma of it all.
And he offered a new covenantthat was not the Mosaic covenant
of an eye for an eye, the law.
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He was offering the covenant ofgrace that
SPEAKER_01 (22:15):
all...
And forgiveness.
SPEAKER_03 (22:17):
All is forgiven.
And...
he paid for it with his life asthe sacrifice instead of a lamb
in the temple.
He was the lamb of God and gavehis life to pay all of that.
So where all that line is now, Iwouldn't know.
I don't particularly like whatIsrael's doing.
I
SPEAKER_01 (22:37):
started to say, do you think it's happening again?
SPEAKER_03 (22:39):
Well, it seems like it is.
If Jesus had not come withgrace, I would say, yes, they're
doing it again, but I don't haveenough knowledge to know if the
karmic price is there becauseJesus paid it past and he paid
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it forward.
And that means everybody.
So I don't know.
But if it were still under thelaw of Moses, I would think
there will be a price.
But I don't know.
I just personally don't likegenocide.
SPEAKER_01 (23:17):
Yeah.
I don't think any of us reallydo.
If you have a heart.
SPEAKER_03 (23:20):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (23:22):
Well, I get back to your experiences.
Um, you know, in, in researchingyour background and your life,
um, I came across somethingwhere you described a mystical
experience with Muktananda.
Am I saying that correctly?
Um, and you described it as amoment of infinite joy that
really helped you feel Godwithin.
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I just wonder how that, if youcould expand on that experience
for our audience and, and Talkabout how that has influenced
your life.
SPEAKER_03 (23:56):
Well, I had a strong, I have to go back a bit,
input in my consciousness as ayoung girl of India because my
grandfather was one of the headsof the Ford Foundation in India.
So this great man in my lifewent to India to do this job,
which was amazing.
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I missed him tremendously.
And he always would bring backthis fragrance of India, not
just a physical fragrance, butthis sensibility of the fact
that in India, at that time, Godwas out of the closet.
Everything is God there.
They talk about God inrelationship to everything.
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Of course, they have thisancient caste system.
which didn't sound right to me,but I didn't know, but I loved
the things he would bring andthe things he would say, and
then Autobiography of a Yogienhanced it.
So I had already this welcomeinside towards the Eastern
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religion, even Eastern wisdom, Iwould say wisdom.
That's what I loved.
So as I got into my early,closer to mid-20s, I started
seeking that path.
And I still loved Yogananda verymuch, immersed myself in hatha
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yoga, physical yoga, and All thedietary things that went with
that became fascinating to me.
So very early on, I chose analternative health path as well
with great dedication andwanting to learn about that with
the same interest.
And then I became very closefriends with Ravi Shankar.
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He was, you know, our generationtoday may not even know who he
is, but one of the greatestmusicians in the world ever with
a sitar.
And that evoked India.
And then Peter Sellers was avery close friend of mine and he
sent me to his guru in India.
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And so I took that journey toIndia and I went and stayed in
an ashram in the Himalayas andwanted to study Vedanta.
which I did there, and then cameback to L.A.
Within two weeks, I saw a signin a health food store that said
Muktananda, who I'd heard aboutin India, and he sounded scary,
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like he hit people with peacockfeathers and carried a stick
sometimes, but that he was atruly great, what they call,
Siddha yoga guru.
Siddha is...
implies uh special powers thatyour spirituality has given you
and indeed he had quite thereputation so i see this little
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sign baba muktananda in l.a atthis man's apartment i knew this
man because he often had satsanggatherings at his apartment i'd
been there uh for yoganandapeople and please come and meet
muktananda so i was sittingoutside that door in the hallway
an hour early.
I felt so called.
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And the night before I'd gone toSelf-Realization Fellowship,
where their chapel is open allnight if you want to meditate.
I just meditated all night.
I wanted a guru.
I wanted a...
I understood that relationshipbecause of my grandfather.
Guru, dispeller of darkness,Gopam and Rupam.
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That's what guru means, the onewho dispels darkness.
And I loved having a mentor.
And so I hope this was it.
Door opened and the teacher whohad taught me in India at the
ashram a month earlier openedthe door.
And he was so shocked to see me.
He grabbed me by my hair andsaid, just going on and off in
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Hindi carries me and throws meat the foot of Baba because I
was early and he was sittingthere early with nobody in the
room talking, talking, talkingto him and then I was a student
and Baba hit me with somepeacock feathers and he looked
at me and there's something theycall the twaji and the twaji is
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the face of God, the look of Godand A good master carries the
twaji.
Their consciousness of divinityis empowered in their look.
And sometimes they can look atyou and your consciousness
without even touching you canstart to transform.
And he looked at me and he said,I want you at the retreat this
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week.
In Hindi, of course, translated.
And I said, I'll be there.
And I went to the retreat firstnight coming before Baba.
And I didn't want to bow.
Everybody was bowing.
I just wasn't ready to bow.
But I got on my knees and I heldmy hands and I looked at him and
he looked at me, a look I'llnever forget, searing love.
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And I just fell over like a log.
They dragged me to the side,left me there until dark.
I came to and in that moment Ihad that experience where I was
traveling realms of light,realms of love, and that all
there was was love.
That's all there was.
That's how I got stamped in howI viewed that experience.
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And so I was there for theretreat that week and it was
transformative to say the least.
And the thing with peacockfeathers, he'd walk around in
meditation at five in themorning and it was his way of
communicating what they callShakti.
It's an energy.
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And it's electric.
And when people would be hit byit, they would go into kriyas.
I don't know if you're familiarwith kriyas, but it's where all
the nervous system, they callthem nadis, they're the nerves.
they all light up with spiritand your body starts to
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transform.
And you might do very strangethings, like hop around the room
with your legs crossed and noteven know how you levitated.
I mean, really kind ofphenomenal things.
But joy, laughter, and thedivine.
SPEAKER_01 (30:37):
Wow.
So how did this...
You don't often...
or most people don't, or atleast I don't, think of
Hollywood as a very godly place.
How did you fit in there?
Were there other people?
You mentioned Peter Sellers, sothere had to be other folks that
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were of a similar mindset.
But how did that all feel withthe friends and coworkers and
collaborators that you hadthere?
SPEAKER_03 (31:12):
Um...
I don't really remember otherthan I still worked.
I still had that respect forwork, for being a working
person.
I also had a child.
So I just brought it with me.
At one point, there wassomething that occurred to me,
which was I realized, becauseyou have so many realizations
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about reality, when your realitystarts being transformed.
Your view of many things, thusit's a good question.
And what I came to was for solong, I realized that I had
looked for the business to giveme something, something that I
wanted to receive.
And what I went back into itwith is I wanted to give.
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I wanted to give something.
My consciousness wanted even ifI was working, wanted to give
back.
I was very aware of this changeof dynamic and it became so much
more joyful for me tointerrelate with people from a
place of loving them, wanting toserve them.
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How could I serve the scene?
How could I serve the director?
That was a big change.
And however, something was veryseated.
So when I met John Roger, whobecame my, I mean, it did not
deny the value of anybody who'dgone before, but it was like,
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you know, atomic meeting JohnRoger.
It was like where somethinginside me said, I'm home.
I'm really home.
And those teachings of JohnRoger are as alive today and
abundant and fruitful inside ofme.
And eventually what happenedwhen I had the pleasure of
(33:15):
finding the love of my lifelater in life, who received the
mantle of John Rogersconsciousness and teachings and
we came together as partners.
We were on your show together afew weeks ago.
I really no longer wanted to bein that business because I
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wanted to share in this work.
So now it became where I wantedto place my creativity,
everything that I am, inpartnership, support, mostly
support of my husband's workbecause I saw it as this makes
the world a better place,really.
(34:05):
You know, not that movies don't.
They do.
They bring what we need.
They bring joy.
They bring relief.
They bring some kind of perfectdistraction.
The actual work, though, ofworking with spirit as a
demonstration in some way,teaching even, And mostly my
(34:27):
initial thing was I just wantedto support my husband.
And now I'm sharing in the workmore.
I facilitate workshops.
It's very rich.
SPEAKER_01 (34:42):
So for those who are listeners who haven't heard the
other episode yet, what Lee istalking about is the movement
for spiritual inner awareness.
And John Roger is the...
The founder, would you say?
SPEAKER_03 (34:57):
John Morton is my husband, and he is the spiritual
director of the movement ofspiritual inner awareness.
And what the teachings are issoul transcendence.
Essentially, we come into thisworld with these layers, you
know, our minds, our emotions,our more basic nature.
(35:20):
are unconscious, but we'resouls.
And we tend to go intoforgetfulness that what we are
is a soul having a humanexperience, not kind of the
other way, remembering thatyou're a soul.
But it's an awakening path.
It's we're here to wake up.
(35:41):
Who are we really?
We're loving.
We're joyful.
And that's no matter what.
That's an eternal place.
And so the teachings are howmore and more to live in that
place in this world so thatwashing the dishes, taking your
kids to school, a crying baby,the things we see on the news,
(36:03):
that we can sustain aconsciousness of soul awareness
and live from that place.
And it doesn't mean that it'seasy.
But for me, it's what else isthere really to do but to wake
up?
(36:23):
That's the best thing to bedoing.
SPEAKER_01 (36:27):
Yeah, it reminds me of a Chinese proverb or
something I saw recently whereit said, you know, the wise man
doesn't, I'm butchering thisprobably, but the wise man
doesn't seek an easier path.
He seeks stronger legs.
SPEAKER_03 (36:45):
Yes.
You don't want somebody to takeit away and take away the
difficulty, that the difficultyis really something to use for
upliftment and growth.
And often, if we can get intothe consciousness of blessing,
how can we transform theexperience as it's really a
(37:07):
blessing?
Give me the consciousness to seeand experience the blessing of
this.
That's not so easy.
It's transformation at itshighest moment.
But we as humans have completecapability to do this.
It's not like we're broken.
We're not.
We're opposite.
SPEAKER_01 (37:30):
So I wonder, how did this, you know, because a lot of
our listeners may be raisingchildren, mothers or fathers,
how did, you know, and your sonPatrick was with you during your
your time in Santa Fe when youkind of left Hollywood, and how
did this spiritual journeyinfluence you as a mother during
(37:53):
your life?
SPEAKER_03 (37:55):
Was just to do the best I could.
I was a single mother, I was aworking mother, and I was a
seeking mother.
And the nature which I seekedwas pretty voracious.
went to retreats, I studied, Ihad gatherings in my home.
So he was up close and personalwith a very dedicated life and a
(38:22):
life that often when I'd go intoa job would take me away.
Then my job was to make sure hehad a sustaining, loving
presence.
to be my surrogate i wasjuggling like every if you think
of a single mother you'rejuggling all the jobs yeah and
(38:44):
uh all i could do is be honestwith him i mean i transform my
clothes closet into a littlemeditation room and i'd have him
sit with me sometimes and thephone would ring And I'd say,
honey, would you tell them I'llcall them back?
He'd go out.
I remember, I'll never forgetthis.
And somebody asked for me, andhe said, I'm sorry she can't
(39:07):
talk to you now.
She's talking to God.
That's great.
But it's interesting that he hasnot chosen this.
And I understood it pretty earlyon that this was not his
calling, like it was mine.
And I wanted to encourage him tofollow his calling and also
(39:28):
protect him the best I couldfrom influences that were in his
life that I were very concernedwould, I didn't want them to, I
don't know how to say thiswithout it sounding as bad as it
sounds, pollute him in hisawareness of life as a negative.
But to do my best to help himinterpret the reality that he
(39:52):
was in in as positive a waypossible.
That was quite a task.
But he's well on his journey, abeautiful journey.
He's a very successfulsportscaster.
He has a beautiful wife and twobeautiful daughters.
And like every human, he'schallenged in all of it, but
(40:13):
it's a good life.
UNKNOWN (40:17):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (40:17):
So if you could go back, like knowing what you know
now and through all yourjourneys, if you could go back
to the 23-year-old star ofPeyton Place, what would you say
to her?
What would be the one piece ofadvice?
SPEAKER_03 (40:34):
I would be comforting.
I would be soothing and saying,I was surrounded by a lot of
negativity.
I would just say, There'ssomething so beautiful in this
life.
It's coming.
You have it.
You're safe.
(40:54):
The outcome is magnificent.
So just like you kept your eyeson the prize with acting and you
keep your eyes on the prize ofGod and love, and it's all going
to be just fine.
SPEAKER_01 (41:10):
That's great.
I think it's great foreverybody.
SPEAKER_03 (41:14):
I call it outrageous love.
It takes outrageous love, notjust loving.
But to me, outrageous love is nomatter what.
I may not feel loving, butloving calls me.
I want to transmute this momentinto something kind, not
(41:36):
reactive.
And it's so easy in this worldto react, to be reactive, to be
judgmental.
as if we know, well, we reallydon't know.
If we look back at history,there were great debacles in
history and they rightedthemselves in another cycle.
So the world is cyclical, lifehas cycles, everything has
(42:00):
cycles, but to just transmutewhat is negative to something
positive.
And I think that takes a lot ofeffort a lot of willingness a
lot of courage and a lot of loveof loving more than anything
(42:20):
else that that's the call
SPEAKER_01 (42:25):
so on that on that piece kind of extending that
that thought what would you toany of our listeners who are
maybe just starting theirspiritual journey or just you
know just kind of awakening tothis part of their soul and
their their life what meditationor prayer technique would you
recommend to someone that's justgetting started?
SPEAKER_03 (42:47):
Well, I'm a lover of the Christ energy.
I respect and study and love somany of the greats, but that
energy the christ consciousnessis the most powerful to me and
he said to his loved ones hesaid i'm leaving you you will
(43:09):
see me no more but i'm going toleave you the comforter the holy
spirit and that is so filledwith answers for you and wisdom
for you call upon it and that'swhat i call upon is the holy
spirit so my prayer is fathermother god I call myself forward
(43:31):
into the light of the HolySpirit.
And I ask that for the highestgood of myself and everyone that
I'm fully surrounded, blessedand protected by the light of
the Holy Spirit.
And I offer that Holy Spiritinto my life and something like
that.
So the Holy Spirit for thehighest good, Because ego is a
(43:58):
tricky character.
We want to say for the highestgood.
So whatever we're asking for,placing into the light, isn't
for anything but the highestgood of everyone.
Because then it's karmicallyclear.
SPEAKER_01 (44:16):
Great advice.
I guess this has been reallyfantastic talking to you.
I wonder...
as we think about wrapping up,what legacy do you hope to leave
now through your work?
Because you've done so manywonderful things with acting and
humanitarian and spirituality.
(44:37):
What legacy would you like theaudience to kind of take away
from your life?
SPEAKER_03 (44:41):
Joy.
Joy.
I just turned 80 in January.
And I made a new intention, likea new little covenant with God
that I want to share joy.
And I want to just allow thatjoy of the loving, just overflow
and share it.
(45:03):
I think I love young people.
I love being around babies,young people, all of it, that
there's hope for the future inwho we are.
It's not necessarily everythingwe do or what our status is.
It's did we touch with joy andwith loving?
So that would be my legacy, Ithink.
(45:25):
And honestly, this is just verypersonal.
I really, really love my husbandand the legacy of supporting him
and being a good partner and aloving husband.
loving friend and partner that'sthat's part of my personal
legacy um part of mydemonstration of who i am
SPEAKER_01 (45:49):
well i think that's great good for you and god bless
you and uh your your website islty.com and msia.org His
Movement of Spiritual InnerAwareness, correct?
SPEAKER_03 (46:05):
Yes.
And also another beautifulwebsite is
johnmortonministries.org becausehis ministry is very big.
SPEAKER_01 (46:15):
And that's Morton with an O-N.
Is that right?
SPEAKER_03 (46:18):
M-O-R-T-O-N, Ministries.
SPEAKE (46:20):
johnmortonministries.com or.org.
That's right.
Well, Lee, thank you so much.
I'd like you to hold on the lineand...
I'll pause our recording now,but hold on, please.
And we can wrap up.
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Hello, welcome to the show.
Thanks for joining us today.
Today, we're honored to welcomeLee Taylor Young, an Emmy
Award-winning actress whoseremarkable journey spans
Hollywood stardom, profoundspiritual exploration, and
impactful humanitarian work.
From her breakout roles inPeyton Place and films alongside
icons like Peter Sellers, to hercourageous decision to step away
from fame in pursuit of deepermeaning, Lee's life is a
(00:47):
testament to authenticity andinner peace.
Her spiritual quest has takenher from the Red Rocks of Santa
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Good morning, Lee Taylor Young.
Nice to see you again.
Thank you so much for being onthe show.
It's
SPEAKER_03 (03:21):
wonderful to see you, Ashley.
Thank you.
We had a fun morning gettingtogether.
SPEAKER_01 (03:26):
Yes, we have.
Well, that's good.
I'm glad to see you now.
And thank you for your patienceand getting this put together
this morning.
SPEAKER_03 (03:34):
And me too.
Thank you.
SPEAKER_01 (03:37):
Yeah, here we are.
You know, it's great to see youagain.
I'm excited to talk to you andlearn more about your remarkable
life.
I lots of great experiences inyour life and I'd love to learn
more, but I'd love to just startby understanding what initially
(03:58):
drew you to acting and how hasthat passion for performance
really intertwined with yourspiritual journey?
SPEAKER_03 (04:07):
Oh, that's a great question.
Especially your words, passionfor performance, because
ironically, Well, it's often thecase with artists.
I was very introverted as achild, and in my teens, I was
very, very introverted.
But the one thing that my motherstarted me on at age four, with
(04:29):
great consistency anddedication, since I couldn't
drive, she would take me todance class about four times a
week, ballet classes.
And I loved it.
I loved the discipline.
I loved the music.
I loved movement.
I had a lot of energy.
And then when I was 13, myparents took me to New York City
(04:50):
and I saw my first Broadwayplay, which was a musical.
And I just thought, it was likePaul going to Damascus.
It was like, oh my God, this iswhat I want to do, which was
expression, which didn't come tome so easily.
you know, as a natural thing tobe in front of people and to
(05:13):
express, just wasn't the draw.
But when I saw the music and thejoy, and because I understood
the discipline of dance so well,I just, it was a convergent
moment.
So...
I ended up at NorthwesternUniversity.
My father's hopes would be bymaking sure I majored in
(05:37):
economics that this would be theantidote to my absolute lack of
interest or understanding of howmoney worked.
And he hoped that this would bethe answer.
Well, within the first quarter,a young lady who had become my
(05:57):
friend, for which I wasenormously excited that I had a
friend, invited, she was in thetheater school, which was a
famous school, I later foundout, the theater school at
Northwestern.
And she invited me to come tothe class and then we would go
to lunch together.
She said, just walk into thetheater in the dark, just sit
there and you'll see the class.
(06:18):
I walked in in the dark, satdown and it was another moment
where I watched this, who Ilater realized was a very famous
acting teacher at Northwestern,Alvina Krauss.
She was about five foot two andan absolute terror.
She was in her seventies.
The only thing she was missing astick but she was a revelation
(06:43):
in how the actors would do ascene she'd stop them she'd talk
to them but what she would sayand then what they would do that
became so much more alive and somuch more so it was like okay
this is what i want to do thisis what i want to do i want to
be an actress because i realizedthat i could speak through a
(07:07):
character I could, in a way, itwas, I guess, kind of
predictable that I could findsuch a wonderful way to be safe
in a legal expression in a playbehind a character.
So I went the next day withouttelling my parents, changed my
(07:30):
major to theater.
Wow.
then just started hanging outwith everybody in the theater
school, auditioning for plays,met my first mentor there, who
became a genuine mentor intheater to me, introduced me to
Sir John Gielgud, moreShakespeare, worked with my
(07:52):
voice, which was veryMidwestern.
He said, that's a no-no.
We have got to change the wayyou talk.
All your vowels are squished.
So I would say things like, Ican get you something.
And he'd say, it's can get, youknow, open up the throat.
And he remains a close friend tothis day well into his 80s.
(08:16):
But at any rate, it set me onthat path.
And within four years from thatepiphany, I was on Broadway.
So my intention was so lit up sofierce.
And I had so much disciplinebecause of ballet.
Ballet is a very, verydisciplined art form.
(08:37):
And I loved it.
I loved that discipline.
So I just, it was in my nature.
I had a military father whoexpressed his fatherhood with a
certain tonality of themilitary.
So I was kind of familiar to thededication that theater would
take.
to achieving my goal, which froma Midwestern town in Detroit, it
(09:03):
was like very far away.
But, you know, I got into aschool in New York and I just,
that's all I dedicated myselfto.
And I got that.
And then within a few months Iwas in California and by
serendipity ended up as thelead, one of the leads in Peyton
(09:24):
Place.
then it just took off from there
SPEAKER_01 (09:28):
well you had such rapid success um it had to be
just a whirlwind i'm interestedin just like how what was the
transformation like for you fromthat going from a small
midwestern girl who you know nowall of a sudden was seemingly
had it all in terms of uh interms of fame and and being an
actress and and all of thatexperience
SPEAKER_03 (09:51):
i did not have that measurement in me of oh i'm
famous or oh i'm successful ijust love to work i love to do
the work that was my focus theexcitement in a new character
the excitement of havingresponsibility the excitement of
(10:17):
stepping up to the challengethat was where my focus was i
didn't do a lot of evaluatingthat, oh, now I was this or now
I was that.
I really didn't see through thatlens easily.
I mean, never in my life have Idone that.
You could either say it was agreat value or a weakness.
(10:39):
I don't know.
But I could never...
Patting myself on the back andsaying, you've done this, this,
or this.
Every once in a while, when Ilook at my curriculum vitae, I
go...
Really?
Cause it's so big, all the jobs,all the different, I've always
(11:00):
had an inner North star.
That's also been a big part ofit all.
I kind of listen.
And if I get it, I go and I giveit up, give it my all.
SPEAKER_01 (11:14):
Well, it's interesting.
There's, I want to get into, youknow, cause you kind of, You've
spoken before about theemptiness that you felt at that
time when you walked away fromHollywood.
There's a current sports storygoing on, a golfer named Scotty
Scheffler.
I don't know if you're aware ofwho he
SPEAKER_03 (11:33):
is.
Oh, very.
In fact, if I look too carefullyto the right, I'll see him on
the big screen over in thecorner.
SPEAKER_01 (11:39):
Okay, yeah.
He should be winning right now,I think.
He is.
Yeah.
I don't know if you've heard thestory this week about what he
said, but it reminded me of you,and I wanted to get your opinion
on this, but he said somethingabout being unfulfilled in, you
know, he's a three time majorchampion and he's the number one
(12:01):
golfer in the world.
And but he he was talking abouthow that doesn't make him happy.
And he was interviewed quiteextensively about it.
And he was talking about reallyfocusing on his family.
That's where he finds his joy.
But, you know, it made me thinkof you and your story about, you
know, the emptiness that youspoke about and you walked away
from Hollywood and reallystarted a different life going
(12:24):
to Santa Fe.
I just wonder if you haveanything to share on that, given
the relevance of what he'ssaying.
I
SPEAKER_03 (12:35):
would consider with Scotty that there's another call
in him that's asking him to lookmore deeply.
Because I think when we do havethat fulfillment and
satisfaction, we're on point.
we're on point with our lifethat's why the satisfaction is
(12:57):
there we're in alignment withour goals with our heart uh
that's all if if he's notsatisfied um then his his heart
soul may be calling him toeither appreciate more deeply
family or to extend his visionabout who and what he might be
(13:20):
and who and what he might do.
For me, I so loved my work infilm.
But what really, it wasn't likeit was empty.
It was more like I really wasdeveloping a stronger call to
another path that made mestaying in this path not
(13:43):
fulfilling.
because there was another call.
And there really was anothercall.
And I had been in my parallellife with my acting, had always
been a seeker ever since I was alittle girl.
It was a through line in my lifeto, I wanted to learn.
I wanted to not know out of ego,but I wanted to know something
(14:07):
that matched up deeply insidemyself.
I was a prolific all my lifesince I was three.
a prolific reader.
I loved books.
I loved words.
I knew those words had mysteriesfor me, even if I didn't
understand them yet.
I wanted to learn to read.
I never had any interest inmathematics or hard science.
(14:32):
I just didn't.
My interest was history.
biographies, people's lives, themystery of being alive, nature.
Fortunately, I had a grandfatherwho was a farmer and was very
attuned, and he was also aprofessor.
So He was very attuned to mynature, so he fulfilled me
(14:56):
greatly.
He would homeschool me parallelto my schooling so that this
sort of aphoricious curiosityand enthusiastic interest could
be tapped and like feeding abird.
He would do things like give me,I was such a good reader, he
would give me the Greeks and theRomans and have me read it.
(15:21):
And then at night, aftereverybody had gone to bed, we'd
meet in the living room and hewould Socratically ask me
questions that would guide myunderstanding of things.
When I was 13 from India, hebrought me Autobiography of a
Yogi and he had met Yogananda.
And my grandfather also was aminister.
(15:41):
And he gave me this book and Ijust devoured it.
And for the first time, here wassomeone talking about
experiences that I was having.
I was having mysticalexperiences, didn't know it.
I could hear things other peopledidn't seem to hear.
I never did much speaking aboutit, except with my grandfather.
(16:05):
And then he gave me this and Iwent, I'm not that weird.
SPEAKER_02 (16:09):
And
SPEAKER_03 (16:12):
so that really set my course as a parallel course.
Anything artistic that I wouldpursue was always this parallel
course to read, if not bookslike Autobiography Yogi, to read
things like Kazanzakis orTeilhard de Chardin.
(16:36):
you know, things that were, formy young mind, very fulfilling
to read and were affirmative.
SPEAKER_01 (16:44):
Yeah.
In reading about you, I did pickup on the fact that your
grandfather was a veryinfluential part of your life.
Is that, you know, is that whereyou really got your motivation
for spirit and to really seekGod within?
SPEAKER_03 (17:04):
I honestly think that was already alive in me.
I loved to be alone.
I was not social.
I didn't go, oh, I want to gohang with a girlfriend or kids.
I really didn't know how to dothat.
I felt so awkward.
My happy place was in my roomwith a book.
(17:28):
I loved archeology very young.
The mysteries of the ancientpast, Egypt, I mean, when I was
10 years old, I was into Egypt.
When I was 11, I found a bookon, believe it or not,
Akhenaten, a little thin book inthe school, middle school
library.
And I just devoured that bookbecause I think later, I think I
(17:51):
had a resonance with thatlifetime was probably why it was
so lit up.
But no, I think I came in withthis and my grandfather was
there as a guiding light.
to help me develop skills thatwould lead me more confidently
forward.
I
SPEAKER_01 (18:12):
was going to say, give you that confidence to keep
going with that path, right?
SPEAKER_03 (18:15):
Yeah.
And my husband can attest tothis day, you come into the
bedroom, I probably have 10books around my feet.
I even have a girlfriend who Ihad, a lovely actress, Leslie
Ann Warren, a very dear friendfor 50 years.
We were having lunch the otherday.
She said, do you remember, doyou still like books?
I said, more than ever.
(18:36):
She said, I just remembervisiting you in your bedroom,
and you'd think it should be abedroom, but it was, books were
everywhere.
It looked like you were readingall of them.
I mean, I have a detective thinginside, too, that...
Like right now, I'm on theprophets.
I get an urge for something, andthen I just have to follow it.
(19:01):
You know, questions in my mindlike, what does it mean to be
the chosen people?
Where did that start?
Where did the 12 tribes start?
Where did the first covenantwith God start for Israel?
And now I'm on to the prophetsin the Old Testament.
It started there, and now I'minto Jeremiah and the other
prophets.
prophets and i can't tell youthat has a goal but it's very
(19:24):
satisfying it's answeringsomething
SPEAKER_01 (19:28):
what i know you're just you're in the middle of
this um exploration with theprophets but share with us what
have you learned so far what'sthe most fascinating thing
you've learned about them inyour learnings yet
SPEAKER_03 (19:40):
i would say a great respect for their courage
because they carried aconsciousness that was elevated
in the times in which theylived.
It was elevated in understandingfar beyond the pagan religions
that also were still in the landand pagan mentality.
(20:04):
And Jeremiah is just about myfavorite because his courage to
tell the truth no matter what.
He warned at great cost to hislife constantly because he was
taking on the priesthood.
He was taking on the king.
He was taking on the powers thatbe.
(20:25):
He was taking on his version ofice and saying, this is wrong.
You are breaking your covenantwith God to love God, to honor
God.
You have idols.
You're corrupt.
And if you keep it up, he wasbasically saying, you're going
to get the karma of this becauseyou made an agreement with God.
(20:46):
You made a covenant, and you'rebreaking it.
It's like when you don't keepyour word, and you say you will,
and then you don't.
It's an itty-bitty form of that.
It's got a karmic feel to it.
You said you would, and then youdon't.
And so to him, Israel wasbreaking its word with God.
(21:07):
And he found it to be veryserious because he knew in his
visions that Babylon was lurkingalong the edges and that if
Israel didn't reinstate itsloyalty to spirit and to God, it
was going to pay the price.
And it did.
He warned and warned and warnedfor a long time.
(21:27):
And then Babylon came in, toredown the temple, Solomon's
temple, took all that was insideand then took the people.
And it was a big pay, but theydidn't listen.
And Jesus himself sat and lookedat the gates of Jerusalem and
(21:49):
cried, wept, said, you're doingit again.
You know, because that covenantwas serious.
But I think what Jesus did thatwas so amazing is he absorbed
the karma of it all.
And he offered a new covenantthat was not the Mosaic covenant
of an eye for an eye, the law.
(22:11):
He was offering the covenant ofgrace that
SPEAKER_01 (22:15):
all...
And forgiveness.
SPEAKER_03 (22:17):
All is forgiven.
And...
he paid for it with his life asthe sacrifice instead of a lamb
in the temple.
He was the lamb of God and gavehis life to pay all of that.
So where all that line is now, Iwouldn't know.
I don't particularly like whatIsrael's doing.
I
SPEAKER_01 (22:37):
started to say, do you think it's happening again?
SPEAKER_03 (22:39):
Well, it seems like it is.
If Jesus had not come withgrace, I would say, yes, they're
doing it again, but I don't haveenough knowledge to know if the
karmic price is there becauseJesus paid it past and he paid
(22:59):
it forward.
And that means everybody.
So I don't know.
But if it were still under thelaw of Moses, I would think
there will be a price.
But I don't know.
I just personally don't likegenocide.
SPEAKER_01 (23:17):
Yeah.
I don't think any of us reallydo.
If you have a heart.
SPEAKER_03 (23:20):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (23:22):
Well, I get back to your experiences.
Um, you know, in, in researchingyour background and your life,
um, I came across somethingwhere you described a mystical
experience with Muktananda.
Am I saying that correctly?
Um, and you described it as amoment of infinite joy that
really helped you feel Godwithin.
(23:43):
I just wonder how that, if youcould expand on that experience
for our audience and, and Talkabout how that has influenced
your life.
SPEAKER_03 (23:56):
Well, I had a strong, I have to go back a bit,
input in my consciousness as ayoung girl of India because my
grandfather was one of the headsof the Ford Foundation in India.
So this great man in my lifewent to India to do this job,
which was amazing.
(24:16):
I missed him tremendously.
And he always would bring backthis fragrance of India, not
just a physical fragrance, butthis sensibility of the fact
that in India, at that time, Godwas out of the closet.
Everything is God there.
They talk about God inrelationship to everything.
(24:37):
Of course, they have thisancient caste system.
which didn't sound right to me,but I didn't know, but I loved
the things he would bring andthe things he would say, and
then Autobiography of a Yogienhanced it.
So I had already this welcomeinside towards the Eastern
(25:01):
religion, even Eastern wisdom, Iwould say wisdom.
That's what I loved.
So as I got into my early,closer to mid-20s, I started
seeking that path.
And I still loved Yogananda verymuch, immersed myself in hatha
(25:24):
yoga, physical yoga, and All thedietary things that went with
that became fascinating to me.
So very early on, I chose analternative health path as well
with great dedication andwanting to learn about that with
the same interest.
And then I became very closefriends with Ravi Shankar.
(25:49):
He was, you know, our generationtoday may not even know who he
is, but one of the greatestmusicians in the world ever with
a sitar.
And that evoked India.
And then Peter Sellers was avery close friend of mine and he
sent me to his guru in India.
(26:10):
And so I took that journey toIndia and I went and stayed in
an ashram in the Himalayas andwanted to study Vedanta.
which I did there, and then cameback to L.A.
Within two weeks, I saw a signin a health food store that said
Muktananda, who I'd heard aboutin India, and he sounded scary,
(26:34):
like he hit people with peacockfeathers and carried a stick
sometimes, but that he was atruly great, what they call,
Siddha yoga guru.
Siddha is...
implies uh special powers thatyour spirituality has given you
and indeed he had quite thereputation so i see this little
(26:57):
sign baba muktananda in l.a atthis man's apartment i knew this
man because he often had satsanggatherings at his apartment i'd
been there uh for yoganandapeople and please come and meet
muktananda so i was sittingoutside that door in the hallway
an hour early.
I felt so called.
(27:19):
And the night before I'd gone toSelf-Realization Fellowship,
where their chapel is open allnight if you want to meditate.
I just meditated all night.
I wanted a guru.
I wanted a...
I understood that relationshipbecause of my grandfather.
Guru, dispeller of darkness,Gopam and Rupam.
(27:40):
That's what guru means, the onewho dispels darkness.
And I loved having a mentor.
And so I hope this was it.
Door opened and the teacher whohad taught me in India at the
ashram a month earlier openedthe door.
And he was so shocked to see me.
He grabbed me by my hair andsaid, just going on and off in
(28:03):
Hindi carries me and throws meat the foot of Baba because I
was early and he was sittingthere early with nobody in the
room talking, talking, talkingto him and then I was a student
and Baba hit me with somepeacock feathers and he looked
at me and there's something theycall the twaji and the twaji is
(28:25):
the face of God, the look of Godand A good master carries the
twaji.
Their consciousness of divinityis empowered in their look.
And sometimes they can look atyou and your consciousness
without even touching you canstart to transform.
And he looked at me and he said,I want you at the retreat this
(28:48):
week.
In Hindi, of course, translated.
And I said, I'll be there.
And I went to the retreat firstnight coming before Baba.
And I didn't want to bow.
Everybody was bowing.
I just wasn't ready to bow.
But I got on my knees and I heldmy hands and I looked at him and
he looked at me, a look I'llnever forget, searing love.
(29:13):
And I just fell over like a log.
They dragged me to the side,left me there until dark.
I came to and in that moment Ihad that experience where I was
traveling realms of light,realms of love, and that all
there was was love.
That's all there was.
That's how I got stamped in howI viewed that experience.
(29:39):
And so I was there for theretreat that week and it was
transformative to say the least.
And the thing with peacockfeathers, he'd walk around in
meditation at five in themorning and it was his way of
communicating what they callShakti.
It's an energy.
(29:59):
And it's electric.
And when people would be hit byit, they would go into kriyas.
I don't know if you're familiarwith kriyas, but it's where all
the nervous system, they callthem nadis, they're the nerves.
they all light up with spiritand your body starts to
(30:19):
transform.
And you might do very strangethings, like hop around the room
with your legs crossed and noteven know how you levitated.
I mean, really kind ofphenomenal things.
But joy, laughter, and thedivine.
SPEAKER_01 (30:37):
Wow.
So how did this...
You don't often...
or most people don't, or atleast I don't, think of
Hollywood as a very godly place.
How did you fit in there?
Were there other people?
You mentioned Peter Sellers, sothere had to be other folks that
(30:57):
were of a similar mindset.
But how did that all feel withthe friends and coworkers and
collaborators that you hadthere?
SPEAKER_03 (31:12):
Um...
I don't really remember otherthan I still worked.
I still had that respect forwork, for being a working
person.
I also had a child.
So I just brought it with me.
At one point, there wassomething that occurred to me,
which was I realized, becauseyou have so many realizations
(31:36):
about reality, when your realitystarts being transformed.
Your view of many things, thusit's a good question.
And what I came to was for solong, I realized that I had
looked for the business to giveme something, something that I
wanted to receive.
And what I went back into itwith is I wanted to give.
(32:01):
I wanted to give something.
My consciousness wanted even ifI was working, wanted to give
back.
I was very aware of this changeof dynamic and it became so much
more joyful for me tointerrelate with people from a
place of loving them, wanting toserve them.
(32:24):
How could I serve the scene?
How could I serve the director?
That was a big change.
And however, something was veryseated.
So when I met John Roger, whobecame my, I mean, it did not
deny the value of anybody who'dgone before, but it was like,
(32:49):
you know, atomic meeting JohnRoger.
It was like where somethinginside me said, I'm home.
I'm really home.
And those teachings of JohnRoger are as alive today and
abundant and fruitful inside ofme.
And eventually what happenedwhen I had the pleasure of
(33:15):
finding the love of my lifelater in life, who received the
mantle of John Rogersconsciousness and teachings and
we came together as partners.
We were on your show together afew weeks ago.
I really no longer wanted to bein that business because I
(33:43):
wanted to share in this work.
So now it became where I wantedto place my creativity,
everything that I am, inpartnership, support, mostly
support of my husband's workbecause I saw it as this makes
the world a better place,really.
(34:05):
You know, not that movies don't.
They do.
They bring what we need.
They bring joy.
They bring relief.
They bring some kind of perfectdistraction.
The actual work, though, ofworking with spirit as a
demonstration in some way,teaching even, And mostly my
(34:27):
initial thing was I just wantedto support my husband.
And now I'm sharing in the workmore.
I facilitate workshops.
It's very rich.
SPEAKER_01 (34:42):
So for those who are listeners who haven't heard the
other episode yet, what Lee istalking about is the movement
for spiritual inner awareness.
And John Roger is the...
The founder, would you say?
SPEAKER_03 (34:57):
John Morton is my husband, and he is the spiritual
director of the movement ofspiritual inner awareness.
And what the teachings are issoul transcendence.
Essentially, we come into thisworld with these layers, you
know, our minds, our emotions,our more basic nature.
(35:20):
are unconscious, but we'resouls.
And we tend to go intoforgetfulness that what we are
is a soul having a humanexperience, not kind of the
other way, remembering thatyou're a soul.
But it's an awakening path.
It's we're here to wake up.
(35:41):
Who are we really?
We're loving.
We're joyful.
And that's no matter what.
That's an eternal place.
And so the teachings are howmore and more to live in that
place in this world so thatwashing the dishes, taking your
kids to school, a crying baby,the things we see on the news,
(36:03):
that we can sustain aconsciousness of soul awareness
and live from that place.
And it doesn't mean that it'seasy.
But for me, it's what else isthere really to do but to wake
up?
(36:23):
That's the best thing to bedoing.
SPEAKER_01 (36:27):
Yeah, it reminds me of a Chinese proverb or
something I saw recently whereit said, you know, the wise man
doesn't, I'm butchering thisprobably, but the wise man
doesn't seek an easier path.
He seeks stronger legs.
SPEAKER_03 (36:45):
Yes.
You don't want somebody to takeit away and take away the
difficulty, that the difficultyis really something to use for
upliftment and growth.
And often, if we can get intothe consciousness of blessing,
how can we transform theexperience as it's really a
(37:07):
blessing?
Give me the consciousness to seeand experience the blessing of
this.
That's not so easy.
It's transformation at itshighest moment.
But we as humans have completecapability to do this.
It's not like we're broken.
We're not.
We're opposite.
SPEAKER_01 (37:30):
So I wonder, how did this, you know, because a lot of
our listeners may be raisingchildren, mothers or fathers,
how did, you know, and your sonPatrick was with you during your
your time in Santa Fe when youkind of left Hollywood, and how
did this spiritual journeyinfluence you as a mother during
(37:53):
your life?
SPEAKER_03 (37:55):
Was just to do the best I could.
I was a single mother, I was aworking mother, and I was a
seeking mother.
And the nature which I seekedwas pretty voracious.
went to retreats, I studied, Ihad gatherings in my home.
So he was up close and personalwith a very dedicated life and a
(38:22):
life that often when I'd go intoa job would take me away.
Then my job was to make sure hehad a sustaining, loving
presence.
to be my surrogate i wasjuggling like every if you think
of a single mother you'rejuggling all the jobs yeah and
(38:44):
uh all i could do is be honestwith him i mean i transform my
clothes closet into a littlemeditation room and i'd have him
sit with me sometimes and thephone would ring And I'd say,
honey, would you tell them I'llcall them back?
He'd go out.
I remember, I'll never forgetthis.
And somebody asked for me, andhe said, I'm sorry she can't
(39:07):
talk to you now.
She's talking to God.
That's great.
But it's interesting that he hasnot chosen this.
And I understood it pretty earlyon that this was not his
calling, like it was mine.
And I wanted to encourage him tofollow his calling and also
(39:28):
protect him the best I couldfrom influences that were in his
life that I were very concernedwould, I didn't want them to, I
don't know how to say thiswithout it sounding as bad as it
sounds, pollute him in hisawareness of life as a negative.
But to do my best to help himinterpret the reality that he
(39:52):
was in in as positive a waypossible.
That was quite a task.
But he's well on his journey, abeautiful journey.
He's a very successfulsportscaster.
He has a beautiful wife and twobeautiful daughters.
And like every human, he'schallenged in all of it, but
(40:13):
it's a good life.
UNKNOWN (40:17):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (40:17):
So if you could go back, like knowing what you know
now and through all yourjourneys, if you could go back
to the 23-year-old star ofPeyton Place, what would you say
to her?
What would be the one piece ofadvice?
SPEAKER_03 (40:34):
I would be comforting.
I would be soothing and saying,I was surrounded by a lot of
negativity.
I would just say, There'ssomething so beautiful in this
life.
It's coming.
You have it.
You're safe.
(40:54):
The outcome is magnificent.
So just like you kept your eyeson the prize with acting and you
keep your eyes on the prize ofGod and love, and it's all going
to be just fine.
SPEAKER_01 (41:10):
That's great.
I think it's great foreverybody.
SPEAKER_03 (41:14):
I call it outrageous love.
It takes outrageous love, notjust loving.
But to me, outrageous love is nomatter what.
I may not feel loving, butloving calls me.
I want to transmute this momentinto something kind, not
(41:36):
reactive.
And it's so easy in this worldto react, to be reactive, to be
judgmental.
as if we know, well, we reallydon't know.
If we look back at history,there were great debacles in
history and they rightedthemselves in another cycle.
So the world is cyclical, lifehas cycles, everything has
(42:00):
cycles, but to just transmutewhat is negative to something
positive.
And I think that takes a lot ofeffort a lot of willingness a
lot of courage and a lot of loveof loving more than anything
(42:20):
else that that's the call
SPEAKER_01 (42:25):
so on that on that piece kind of extending that
that thought what would you toany of our listeners who are
maybe just starting theirspiritual journey or just you
know just kind of awakening tothis part of their soul and
their their life what meditationor prayer technique would you
recommend to someone that's justgetting started?
SPEAKER_03 (42:47):
Well, I'm a lover of the Christ energy.
I respect and study and love somany of the greats, but that
energy the christ consciousnessis the most powerful to me and
he said to his loved ones hesaid i'm leaving you you will
(43:09):
see me no more but i'm going toleave you the comforter the holy
spirit and that is so filledwith answers for you and wisdom
for you call upon it and that'swhat i call upon is the holy
spirit so my prayer is fathermother god I call myself forward
(43:31):
into the light of the HolySpirit.
And I ask that for the highestgood of myself and everyone that
I'm fully surrounded, blessedand protected by the light of
the Holy Spirit.
And I offer that Holy Spiritinto my life and something like
that.
So the Holy Spirit for thehighest good, Because ego is a
(43:58):
tricky character.
We want to say for the highestgood.
So whatever we're asking for,placing into the light, isn't
for anything but the highestgood of everyone.
Because then it's karmicallyclear.
SPEAKER_01 (44:16):
Great advice.
I guess this has been reallyfantastic talking to you.
I wonder...
as we think about wrapping up,what legacy do you hope to leave
now through your work?
Because you've done so manywonderful things with acting and
humanitarian and spirituality.
(44:37):
What legacy would you like theaudience to kind of take away
from your life?
SPEAKER_03 (44:41):
Joy.
Joy.
I just turned 80 in January.
And I made a new intention, likea new little covenant with God
that I want to share joy.
And I want to just allow thatjoy of the loving, just overflow
and share it.
(45:03):
I think I love young people.
I love being around babies,young people, all of it, that
there's hope for the future inwho we are.
It's not necessarily everythingwe do or what our status is.
It's did we touch with joy andwith loving?
So that would be my legacy, Ithink.
(45:25):
And honestly, this is just verypersonal.
I really, really love my husbandand the legacy of supporting him
and being a good partner and aloving husband.
loving friend and partner that'sthat's part of my personal
legacy um part of mydemonstration of who i am
SPEAKER_01 (45:49):
well i think that's great good for you and god bless
you and uh your your website islty.com and msia.org His
Movement of Spiritual InnerAwareness, correct?
SPEAKER_03 (46:05):
Yes.
And also another beautifulwebsite is
johnmortonministries.org becausehis ministry is very big.
SPEAKER_01 (46:15):
And that's Morton with an O-N.
Is that right?
SPEAKER_03 (46:18):
M-O-R-T-O-N, Ministries.
SPEAKE (46:20):
johnmortonministries.com or.org.
That's right.
Well, Lee, thank you so much.
I'd like you to hold on the lineand...
I'll pause our recording now,but hold on, please.
And we can wrap up.
Thank you so much for joiningus.
Thank you.
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