October 29, 2025 • 63 mins
A house can change your mind—or demand that you finally trust it. We sit down with paranormal investigator and tour manager Christy Parrish to trace her path from a silenced childhood sensitive to the steward of one of Massachusetts’ most active and historic homes: the Oliver House in Middleboro.
Christy recounts the Tennessee years that forced her to take her abilities seriously: a violent strike in an empty bathroom, a chilling 911 call traced to her landline, and a barrage of phenomena that drove her to build her own experiments when outside teams walked away. You’ll hear how “ghost mats,” powder-dusted surfaces, and patient EVP sessions led to one of her most startling cases—Peg Leg Eddie—complete with footprints, a confirmed toe bone, and the peace that followed.
Then we step into the Oliver House, a 1760s landmark where Revolutionary War history collides with careful investigation. Christy and a dedicated volunteer crew blend technical rigor and empathy to document at least fifteen resident spirits, including a chambermaid tied to the saga of Governor Thomas Hutchinson’s letters and Benjamin Franklin’s fateful visit. We explore how Loyalist archives, Franklin’s retrieval, and the judge’s ammunition mill shaped the run-up to revolution—and why telling that story matters as much as any EVP.
What makes this conversation different is the model: accessible public tours, pro nights for seasoned investigators, and daytime history walks that fund preservation without sensationalism. Guests learn to use equipment, separate real signals from noise, and engage with respect. Along the way, we share our own visit highlights, from the “house dog” brushing an ankle to a device blurting “bacon… eggs” at the exact closet linked to Franklin’s letters.
If you care about haunted places, Revolutionary history, or how community-powered programs can keep fragile sites alive, this one’s for you. Subscribe, share this episode with a friend who loves ghost stories and archives, and leave a review to help more curious listeners find the show.
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SPEAKER_02 (00:00):
Happy Halloween.
As we get ready to close outspooky October, I am so happy to
be able to share with you anencore episode from our
conversation with ParanormalInvestigator and Ghost Tour
manager, Christy Parrish.
It's actually a throwbackepisode to when there were two
(00:21):
co-hosts on AssortedConversations, and we had a
blast talking to Christy.
We weren't able to visit theOliver House, which is the
property at the time she was thecaretaker of.
We weren't able to visit itprior to the interview, but we
did make a trip out to meet herand to explore this gorgeous
(00:44):
property and highly activeproperty after we had our
conversation.
So stick around.
At the end of the interview,Maureen and I talk about what we
experienced at the Oliver House.
And Christy Parrish is veryinvolved in the paranormal
community.
She no longer is affiliated withthe Oliver House.
(01:08):
However, she's moved on to otherproperties such as the Mayflower
Lodge in Middleboro, Mass, andthe Emery Estate in Weymouth,
Mass.
She also teaches at the WeymouthTeen Center.
And she is sharing her knowledgeand her investigation techniques
with young soon-to-be paranormalinvestigators.
(01:30):
So great stuff from Christy.
Jump down to the show notes forlinks to her newest properties.
Take a listen to this week'sepisode, and I'll see you in two
weeks.
(02:18):
It is.
I am so excited to share it.
SPEAKER_00 (02:20):
I have a question for you, Helen.
Have you ever had a paranormalexperience?
SPEAKER_02 (02:25):
You know, I don't believe I have.
(02:55):
So I don't know if thatqualifies as a paranormal
experience, but um I have beentold there's energies that
follow me around.
Oh my gosh.
How about you?
SPEAKER_00 (03:08):
You know, I've had a couple different ones, but I
would say the one that left thebiggest impression on me was in
a house, I was up in my roomreading a book I had borrowed
from one of my housemates.
And I was dozing off as I wasreading the book and could hear
footsteps coming into the roomand could feel someone looking
(03:31):
closely at me.
You know that feeling whensomeone's looking closely at
you?
Yeah.
You just know there's a presencethere.
I had this wave of sadness comeover me.
And it was just like this reallysad kind of despair.
I thought, oh, she's come to gether book.
And I woke up and there was noone there.
(03:53):
And I called down to her to say,Oh, did you want your book?
And she said, What are youtalking about?
And I described what hadhappened, and she said, Well, we
should probably tell you.
SPEAKER_01 (04:06):
Oh, God.
SPEAKER_00 (04:07):
Oh, there has been um a death in this house.
So apparently there was ateenage girl who had committed
suicide in the house.
And that's what I wasexperiencing.
And she said that she had shehad been aware of it and they'd
done some research on the houseand the family that had been
(04:27):
there before.
So they were aware of it.
But it was one of those thingswhere I never I never felt um
afraid as a result.
It was just the sadness and itwas just so melancholy.
And I just kind of spoke to herand said, It's okay.
I'll be your friend.
And never did I experienceanything like that again during
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the time I lived in the house.
SPEAKER_02 (04:50):
Wow.
Wow.
It was really strange.
That is that's that's eerie, butalso, I don't know, peaceful in
a way, you know, where where youactually spoke and it never
happened again.
SPEAKER_00 (05:05):
Right.
I've had other experiences, butthat was the one that I think it
was because of the emotion ofit.
Like there was just this realfeeling to it.
So wow, that was kind of cool.
SPEAKER_02 (05:16):
Not unlike um our guest this week, who uh has been
involved with paranormal andparanormal activity and
investigation because she wasactually involved in what she
termed as severe hauntings.
(05:36):
But that ignited a gift in herthat she had long uh pushed
down, and it led her to hercurrent role at the historic
Oliver House.
So take a listen to this week'sconversation, and we will see
you on the other side.
(05:59):
This week's guest is ChristyParish, who volunteers her time
as event coordinator and ghosttour manager for the historic
Oliver Estate in Middleboro,Massachusetts.
Christy feels a sense of dutynot to just preserve the
property's historicsignificance, but also
preserving it for the energiesthat reside there.
(06:20):
Welcome, Christy, and thanks forbeing with us.
SPEAKER_03 (06:23):
Thank you so much.
And I hope a lot of peoplelisten.
So my voice gets out there.
SPEAKER_00 (06:30):
Well, the sound of your voice is beautiful.
SPEAKER_03 (06:34):
I really appreciate y'all uh having me along today
to talk about uh some of thethings that were very important
to me.
And hopefully this will resonatewith people in the audience and
help maybe inspire stuff to goout and do some great things to
help preserve history andlocations.
SPEAKER_02 (06:51):
Yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_00 (06:53):
When you got involved with the Oliver House,
you must have had some kind ofbackground.
How did you get started in theparanormal?
SPEAKER_03 (07:03):
When I was born, I was born with abilities and uh
being in the south and havingthe ability to have uh voices
and to be able to see thingswhen you're a child in the Bible
belt can be very difficult.
And uh I love my parents, but totalk to them about these things,
(07:27):
it got me a whole lot of lot ofchurch and do psychiatric
evaluation um to where I hadeventually believed that it was
wrong to be able to have gifts,and that was kind of like beaten
into me.
Well, uh my story is kind of ait's a hard one to kind of tell
(07:51):
people some of the detailsbecause it's it's pretty scary.
Uh I actually had um married agentleman in 2001, and we
purchased a home that was builtaround the 1930s timeframe down
in Tennessee.
The home was directly across thestreet from a Confederate
cemetery.
(08:12):
Uh, I think the gravesites wereless than a football field from
our front door and angledtowards the direction of our
house.
It always felt odd, but therewas something about it that I
just absolutely was drawn to.
I think being drawn to thishouse was an awakening for me
because the the house and theenergies within it knew that I
(08:37):
could do these things and theyknew that I had these abilities,
but I had shut them off for solong that it took force and
aggression uh to wake me up.
And when we first moved in, ummy husband and my stepdaughter
began to tell me about thepeople that they would see in
(08:58):
the house and the things thatwould touch them, and and there
was a shadow man at the end ofthe hallway.
SPEAKER_00 (09:03):
How old was your stepdaughter at the time?
SPEAKER_03 (09:06):
She was only about six years old when we were
married.
And my husband, you know, hekept saying more things were
happening to him than she was.
But, you know, I I kind ofbrushed it off because that's
what was kind of pushed mydirection growing up, you know,
just your imagination or yourmind is just busy and it's
replaying the day.
(09:27):
That's a thing my mom used totell me a lot.
It was very much alive, thishouse, and it was very
dangerous.
And it started to really goafter my stepdaughter.
And oh no.
I don't have my own children.
Uh, and so when I got marriedand I had a stepdaughter, I
(09:47):
became like the mama bear.
I really love this little girl,and I would move heaven and
earth to protect her and towatch and hear and see her
experience some of these things.
Um that started to get under myskin.
But still, I had this disbeliefbecause that's what was pushed
into me.
And I tried to explain it away,much like my mom tried and my
(10:10):
dad tried to do with me.
SPEAKER_01 (10:12):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (10:13):
Did did anything happen to you?
Or did you experience anythingwhen your stepdaughter was was
experiencing these things?
SPEAKER_03 (10:22):
Yeah.
Um, it started with them, uh, myhusband and my stepdaughter, but
then it turned on me.
And I remember uh the moment Ilove to mow the grass and ride
my little lawnmower and and dothe yard work.
And uh I had come in and I wasall sweaty and achy.
(10:45):
So I told him that I was gonnadraw a bath and I was gonna soak
in the tub for a while.
The water was just a little toohot.
And so when I stepped over intothe tub, I sat down very gently
in the water.
It was so hot.
And I remember curling my armsaround my knees and just kind of
sitting there, just waiting forthe water to cool enough to
(11:07):
where I could lean the rest ofthe weight back into the tub.
And then I remember feeling thiscold breeze to the side of my
face, to the exterior of thetub.
We had the the iron, uh,beautiful decorative like vents.
And when the air conditionerwould come on, you would hear it
rattle a little bit, and therewere some towels that were
(11:28):
hanging above that.
So I just instead I just did itwithout thinking, looked over at
the vent, and as I turned myhead to look over, that's when I
felt the back of a hand smack meacross my jaw.
I mean, it hit me so hard, itspun my head all the way around
to the back, and I jumped out ofthe tub because there is nothing
(11:52):
standing there right beside me,but something just hit me that
hard.
So I jump up out of the tub andI run into the living room and I
have not a stitch of clothes on,I'm dripping wet, the front
door's open, the windows areopen, there's traffic going down
the road, and I'm telling him, Iwas like, something just hit me.
He saw how red it was already,and literally my face stayed
(12:14):
bruised for like four daysacross the jaw.
Um, and that was tough because Iwork around a lot of men at my
job, the one that pays me.
Yeah.
And uh they kept thinking thatmy husband was being abusive to
me, but it wasn't.
It was the energies within thehouse.
And I think what was happeningis they were doing everything
(12:37):
they possibly could to get me towake up and listen to them, and
I wasn't doing it.
So they had to get aggressivefor me to start to pay attention
and believe that they're reallythere.
One of the scariest parts of ituh was my husband and I were
asleep on a Sunday morning, andmy stepdaughter was with her mom
(12:58):
that weekend, and I rememberwaking up and there was like
banging on our back door, andthere was a cop standing, a
couple of cops actually standingthere, and they said, Um uh we
had a phone call, uh, we believecame from this house.
And uh I said, Well, we've beenin bed, and he said, Do you have
(13:18):
a little girl here?
And I was like, No, I have astepdaughter, but she's with her
mom this weekend.
There's no children here.
And uh he says, Well, is yourlandline number?
And he read the number, and Iwas like, Yes, it is, that's our
phone number.
He says, Well, ma'am, do youmind if I just take a look
around?
And I was like, No, you can comein and take a look.
(13:42):
So Taco entered the house andwalked the first floor, and then
they went upstairs and walkedall the bedrooms upstairs and
came back down, and they werejust on their way out the door,
out the back door, and he turnedand he looked at the door that
led into the basement.
And I keep a chain on it becausethat door kept opening up in the
middle of the night.
(14:02):
If you ever walked into my housein Tennessee, every swinging
door has chains on it becausethe things move and I don't need
them.
And so uh I lifted the chain andI opened the door and uh he
said, So that's your basementdown there.
I was like, Yeah.
He said, Do you mind just toexhaust all possibilities?
(14:23):
I said, No, it's fine.
So I flipped on the light at thetop of the stairs, and he
started to walk down the stairs,and I was behind him.
I said, Do you mind if I ask youwhat the urgency is with this uh
girl or this child?
And uh he said, Um, well, wereceived a phone call that she
was about to kill her parents,and then we she hung up and we
(14:44):
couldn't reach her back.
The phone was busy.
SPEAKER_02 (14:47):
Oh my god.
SPEAKER_03 (14:49):
As we got to the base of the stairs, as we got to
the base of the stairs, uh, wedid have a landline that my
husband had put down in thebasement, and the phone was
hanging off the pole and it wasgoing, it was beeping.
And so the officer went over andhe he picked the phone up and he
kind of looked at me, and I waslike, I don't know what to tell
(15:12):
you right now, except I reallyhope that you find this girl
before it's too late.
And it scared me.
It's scaring me now.
SPEAKER_02 (15:23):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (15:26):
Oh, there are so many other things.
I mean, it the experiences thatI had there in itself would
probably be one of the scariestmovies you've ever seen in your
entire life.
We literally had our feetgrabbed and got drug out of bed.
We would walk into people thatwe couldn't see.
Um, we had doors that soundedlike people were trying to break
(15:48):
into our house, but when thecops came, the the doors were
kicked from the inside out, notfrom the outside in.
So it just goes on and on.
Um so what drove me to do thisparanormal uh that I do is the
fact that I reached out topeople, teams in the area,
(16:11):
multiple teams, to come to myhouse and try to get some
answers to try to figure outwhat they can cover, what we
were going through.
And I had uh ladies that werefull-blown psychic mediums that
would walk in and she says, Idon't know how you stay here.
SPEAKER_02 (16:28):
I I no disrespect or to minimize anything you were
going through, but I think thefor sale sign would have been up
very quick if if I evenexperienced one of those things.
SPEAKER_03 (16:42):
Yikes.
And I don't know what wasdriving me to stay, other than
the fact that I wasn't gonna letanybody bully me or push me out
of somewhere that I loved.
The problem was is that eachteam would never come back.
They would have all theseexperiences where they would
(17:03):
have equipment that would shutoff.
One lady said to them in thedining room, we were all in the
dining room, she had all kindsof cameras and recorders.
And she said to them out loud,she says, Do you not know that
you're dead?
And at that time, every youheard click, click, click,
click, click, click, everythingshut down.
And all the video recordings,when they went back to review,
(17:27):
it fizzled out right therebefore the camera shut off.
Right after she said that, youcould hear the sizzling, and it
was on every single camera andevery single room that they had
set up.
It just shut down.
SPEAKER_00 (17:39):
I feel like if you can create that kind of change
in an environment, your energymust must feel like you're
alive.
SPEAKER_03 (17:49):
I think, I think you're exactly right with what
you're saying, you know, andthis is kind of uh where I went
into research mode.
This is where the trueresearcher started.
Is I was I can't get help herein my own household with my own
family to feel safe.
I said, I have to figure thisout.
(18:10):
If nobody else is gonna figurethis out, I'm going to have to
do it.
So I went to libraries and Iwould just sit and read every
single thing that I can possiblyread about, you know, people's
uh experiences with theparanormal.
You don't want to look like acrazy person.
Right.
When you start talking about it.
Because, and that's the reallythe toughest part.
(18:31):
And I feel for a lot of familiesthat go through hauntings is
they feel like they can't reallysay anything because the way
society judges them.
Right.
And that can be almost asdamaging as the activity that's
going on that they have to dealwith or try to figure out how to
resolve or live with in someway.
Right, because they'reostracized for it.
(18:53):
Exactly.
It was in learning about thatwithin the walls of my own house
that I thought, here's kind ofsomething I think people miss
the boat on a lot.
They want to just like get angryout into the atmosphere.
But rather than do that, whydon't we just take a step back
and just try to talk towhatever's in your environment,
(19:14):
just like you're a person, justlike we're talking right here,
have a conversation.
Let them get to know you asbeing not a threat.
And maybe someone that can gettheir voices heard if there's
information or things that theyneed you to know, be that open,
open vessel to be able to dothat.
They can't talk through you, butthey can talk to you, and you
(19:37):
have to make that clear.
Uh, being assertive and beinghaving affirmation in dealing
with this was my saving grace inthat house.
SPEAKER_02 (19:48):
What did you find out about the energies or
spirits in in your house?
SPEAKER_03 (19:55):
You were ready for this.
I don't know.
I don't think I was ready forwhat you just shared.
Well, I will have no fingernailsleft.
So, what I learned was at anygiven time I had anywhere
between 40 to 50 energies thatwalked through my house in a
good time.
And there was essentially uh inmy stepdaughter's bedroom
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upstairs a closet.
And we had figured out bysetting up cameras and laser
grids and equipment, we wereable to measure uh seismic
change and everything in thatarea.
When a portal to the house wouldopen, it would sound like broken
glass or a door slamming, andthen we would actually, with the
(20:39):
laser grid, see the forms of thepeople that were walking out of
that door into my house.
They would come and go as theypleased when they wanted.
So literally, there was one thatI kept hearing, and it made a
particular sound uh when it waswalking around.
It's like you heard a step, butyou heard like a click kind of
(21:04):
sound on the floor above you.
And that's what really got me onthis kick of trying to design
new experiments and newdocumentation tools.
And they're not pretty, butthere's some logic that goes in
behind it.
What I really wanted to do wasbe able to go into places in my
house in particular and walkaway with their footprints or
(21:28):
their handprints.
And then I wanted to lift thatprint and I wanted to
cross-reference it uh to someoneor get like a a mark on the
bottom of their shoe from theirtime, and maybe I could trace
that back to how old they are.
And so I took what I call theghost mat, and I also brought a
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friend from Rhode Island whoenjoys this stuff, and I said,
Well, you need to come to myhouse.
Right.
I got an experience for you.
And she was like, I can't wait.
We were there uh one night, andthese uh devices that I had
built, they have these uhsensory alarms on them.
(22:08):
So I dust the surface of themat, and during the night we're
asleep, and she nudges me andshe says, Christy, she says, You
need to wake up, listen.
And I was, I was listening, andI heard some movement upstairs,
and then we heard the alarm gooff on the mat upstairs, and it
(22:30):
went off and it went off and itwent off and it went off, and
like it was multiple steps thatwas on this mat.
So I said, Okay, so first off,we're not going up there.
SPEAKER_00 (22:44):
You know what?
Here's what I appreciate.
You heard the sound and you didnot go there.
Which is not like any other likehorror movie I've ever seen
where they always go there.
You're my new hero.
SPEAKER_03 (22:55):
I told her, I said, you know what, let's just give
them their space.
We're just gonna keep relaxing,let them do what they're gonna
do.
Maybe they'll use it more times.
So in the morning, the firstthing when we woke up, she was
like, Let's go check those mats.
I heard the other one go off aswell.
We opened the door to goupstairs, and I have these
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really dark painted walls.
Right there on the wall arethese white powder handprints
climbing up the wall to goupstairs.
And she says, Do you see this?
And I was like, Yes.
I said, Take, let's let's takesome pictures and let's document
(23:37):
this.
And she says, Christy, look atthat's a man's hand right there.
Because we held our hands upnext to it.
It was a lot larger, but it wasa human hand.
And so she says, Let's go upthere where we heard the other
one.
So we we kind of creep up thestairs.
It was probably the funniestthing anybody could ever like we
should have like uh Pink Panthermusic.
Did I dunno dunno as we weregoing up those stairs and um we
(24:03):
we make it to the room.
Uh, I put the mat right there inthe doorway of my stepdaughter's
bedroom where the portal is.
Right there on that mat was onefootprint and a square.
And I looked at it and I said,uh I said, This energy only has
(24:24):
one foot.
Oh this is a peg.
And she says, and it's all over.
It's a barefoot and it's a peg,and it's multiple places on this
mat.
So we snapped all kinds ofpictures, and I was like, this
is incredible.
So let's go find out who thisis.
We start uh asking questions,and we got the name Edward.
(24:46):
So I asked, I said, Edward, doyou only have one foot?
And he said, Yes.
So I start calling him Peg LegEddie.
SPEAKER_02 (25:00):
How did you get the name Edward?
And how did you hear him?
SPEAKER_03 (25:05):
We recorded it on a digital audio recorder.
When we played back, we askedthe questions, we play it back,
and there it is in the voice.
SPEAKER_00 (25:14):
Were you able to do research to find out who he was?
SPEAKER_03 (25:17):
Uh well, I kind of figured he was associated with
uh the Civil War.
Right.
Um kind of it just felt thatway.
It makes sense.
And the graveyard's right acrossthe street, but um, I just asked
the question.
I use uh dousing rods.
I don't know if Bonnie ever toldyou about that.
I use them a lot to getconfirmation, yes or no answers
(25:40):
and things like that.
So I grabbed my rods and I justasked him.
I said, Eddie, I was like, if ifyou're bound here because maybe
you're missing your other foot,can you let me know?
And he goes, Yes, like that,really strong.
And I said, Okay, are you herebecause your foot is on my on my
(26:03):
land?
Yes, really strong.
And I was like, Okay.
I said, Would you like me tofind it?
Yes, really strong.
So I asked for him to point tothe direction that I should
travel, and he pointed me to theback of the house.
So we went out the back door,down the stairs and into the
(26:24):
backyard, and I just told him, Isaid, when we get to you use
these to lead me where I need togo, and then I will look for
your foot.
So he led me around to an oldtree to the back of it, and when
I got there, I could see theanxiousness with the rods, and
then they just cross reallyhard.
(26:45):
So I do a technique where I backup and come at it backwards and
go different directions and seeif it still leads me to the
exact same place.
Right.
And and I also do what I calltouch the tips, where the tips
of the rods will touch threetimes, and that's really hard
for anybody to try tomanipulate.
The spirits can do it, but itwent ting, ting, ting and
(27:06):
touched right when I got towhere it needed to be.
So I put a stick in the groundright there, and I marked the
ground.
I said, now we should dig.
And my friend's eyes at thetime.
She's like, uh Yeah.
Not so much about this.
I said, Well, if you're notcomfortable with this, that's
(27:27):
fine.
So we left it for that moment.
But I came back to it withanother friend who really didn't
know as much.
And I was like, just be here asmoral support.
SPEAKER_00 (27:38):
We're digging for treasure.
SPEAKER_01 (27:40):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (27:41):
P.S.
Helen, that's what you need touse on me.
SPEAKER_03 (27:47):
She said, What's the stick for?
And I was like, I think, I don'tknow.
There's something probablyburied here, but I'm not sure
what.
I was lying out my teeth onthis.
Um, and as I started to digabout five to six inches under
the ground, I hit something.
I brought it up and it was likethis creamy white color.
(28:07):
And it looked like it had theselittle holes in it, almost like,
you know, when you break a bone,there's the marrow portion.
And I thought, that looks likeit goes on a foot.
And uh my friend said, What isthat?
And I said, I don't know.
It might be bone, it might be arock.
And she says, Well, you know, ifyou take it and you touch it to
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your tongue and it sticks, it'sbone.
And I was like, Oh.
SPEAKER_00 (28:36):
This is why you bring the friend who knows what
you're there for so she doesn'tsuggest such a thing.
SPEAKER_02 (28:41):
Did you hand it to her?
Here you try it.
No.
SPEAKER_03 (28:48):
No.
Uh I actually I said, let'slet's take it in the house and
let's clean it up and take abetter look at it.
So I did and I studied it.
And then I called a friend ofmine uh in Rhode Island who's a
nurse, and I was like, I think Imight have a piece of bone here,
but how do I know?
He said, Well, if you stick itto your tongue, it'll stick.
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So he said, just barely stick itto your tongue.
And I had cleaned it up at thispoint, and I did.
SPEAKER_02 (29:17):
And it did you did it stick?
unknown (29:20):
It did.
SPEAKER_00 (29:22):
Oh my gosh, the things we will do for science.
SPEAKER_03 (29:25):
I know, but it I was like, I was convinced at that
point that Peg Leg Eddie hadlegitimately led me to where his
foot was, and um, I didn't haveto dig up the whole thing in
order to tell the story of it.
I needed just to say it out loudto him and say, I found it.
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Here's a piece.
I showed it to him, held it upin the house, and I still have
that piece of bone to this day.
The little it was a piece of thetoe that I had dug up and I had
a uh the Uh foot anatomy, so Icould marry up.
It was part of the big toe.
After I dug up Peg leg Eddie'stoe bone and he found peace,
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then I had to go to work on alot of the other energies in the
house.
SPEAKER_02 (30:15):
How many years after this?
And how deep were you into theparanormal investigating when
you discovered the Oliver State?
SPEAKER_03 (30:26):
The Oliver State came on my radar about five
years ago.
So I was about 15 years into it.
The Oliver House was a happylittle accident.
I go to this convention at SalemConn and listen to the lectures,
and it's a lunch break.
And I'm sitting at the bar andI'm having my favorite food when
I'm out, uh chicken nuggets.
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And uh and this lady pulls up achair at the bar beside me and
starts chatting with me.
And she was like, So are youinto ghosts and stuff?
And I was like, Yeah, uh uh youcould say that.
And uh we just strike up aconversation, and she was
telling me that she has anopportunity at this place and
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she's looking for people to helpher with it.
Uh, she wants to start publicghost tours in this home from
1769.
I was like, it's that old,really.
She said, Yeah, it's a prettybig house.
And there's actually been peoplethat's gone in and investigated
it once, and they recordedvoices and had touching and
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paranormal experiences.
So um I think it would be a goodplace to kind of dip toes in the
water and try to start ghosttours.
So we exchanged information.
About a week later, she calls meand um she says, Are you
available to come to Middleboro,Massachusetts, and meet me at
the Oliver House?
And I was like, sure.
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She says, put on your workboots, long sleeve shirt, bring
some work gloves.
We're gonna pull weeds today.
Oh my gosh, she is classic.
From the moment that I actuallyturned into that driveway and I
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could barely see the house, Ifelt like I was home somehow.
It was just that instinctivefeeling that you're exactly in
the right place where you needto be right now.
I just felt like I had thisunderlying sense of duty.
And it was through the yearsbeing there, and I've never lost
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that since the very first day,that I somehow need to protect
this place and I need to pour myheart and soul into it and bring
it back from bare bones to bealive again.
SPEAKER_02 (32:50):
That's so cool.
What about the property or thethe folks that lived there do
you feel protective of?
SPEAKER_03 (33:01):
All of them.
Everything about them.
We have documented at least 15different mainstay spirits that
are there all the time.
And they're they're through fromrevolutionary times inside the
house to all the way up untillike 2013.
SPEAKER_02 (33:19):
Are there specific examples of uh a person being
drawn there to speak to or tohave a connection with a
specific energy that's there?
SPEAKER_03 (33:33):
Yes, and no.
Um, I I don't know if it'sspecific to uh an energy in
particular, because there's somany of them.
But I do feel like um, and if Ican get a shout out to the
volunteers uh a little bit, Iwould really appreciate that
because while we're talkingabout my involvement with it, I
can't do this all alone.
(33:53):
Uh, no matter where I'm at,there's always other people
dedicating their time and theirknowledge and their research as
well to the project.
Um, my uh assistant manager forthe ghost tours is Chris
Andrade.
She can see them, she canvisually walk through and see
the images of people like thechambermaids.
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She actually was the first oneto actually see in full uh
apparition form the chambermaidthat was intricate to the story,
and from there we just startlearning more and more and more
because there was the comfortlevel uh with her.
She possesses a very empatheticside to everything, she's just a
sweet person, uh sweet soul.
(34:38):
Uh, also we have uh a technicalguy.
His name is uh Paul Heber Jr.
Now he's our camera camera guy,but he also likes to tinker with
electronics and build newdevices.
So uh my nerd side kind ofenjoys that part of the
creativity that he brings to thehouse when we bounce ideas off
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of each other.
Um, he seems to be um prettytight with one of the energies
that I've noticed in the houseuh from around the 1940s
timeframe.
His name is Harry or HenryChampion Jones.
He was an owner and used thehouse as a vacation property.
We have new volunteers that havestepped on board lately.
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Uh, Steve Bowden, uh ChristinaWiller, who is a fantastic
sensitive person.
I got her to come out of hershell because I could tell she
was hiding in there and she justneeded a place to be able to
open up and just blossom.
And I thought, hmm, why notthrow her in a haunted house?
That would be great.
(35:44):
If anything will ever bring yoursenses alive, that'll be it.
Uh, Christina, she likes to workwith stones as a healing, like
crystals and things like that.
So she'll she'll actually usethose when she's in the house,
and it seems like it responds.
The house really loves that.
The fact that people bring itgifts and things like that, and
I think they look at the stoneslike that.
(36:07):
Um, we have Elizabeth Ginsburg,who I stole from Tourism.
They can have her whenever theyneed her, and uh her friend, uh
Alicia.
Uh, they come every time I needany help.
They're always there, they'rejust minutes from the door.
Alex Mitchell is the newest anduh man by the name of Dean, but
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I don't know Dean's last name.
And then we've had a uh husbandand wife team that's been with
us for a long time, too.
Lynn and uh Peggy Hunt, uh,husband and wife team.
He used to be the fire chief uhfor the Bridgewater area.
And uh so wow.
I love when Lynn and Peggy come.
They have a grandbaby, so thegrandbaby takes a lot of their
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times now, you know.
I can just see grandma andgrandpa pictures all the time.
And I'm like, what about thedays when you used to take
pictures with ghosts?
Don't forget that.
We've all sort of been broughtthere separate from each other,
but for very specific reasons.
And we've saw that if the houseis pleased with you and the
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people that are there feelcomfortable with you and you
respect them and they respectyou, you're gonna stay.
However, if you do somethingthat they can sense within you
is is not good for the house asas a whole, you will not be
there that long.
And we don't have to do anythingor say anything.
The house will take care of you.
SPEAKER_02 (37:35):
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (37:36):
I'm feeling like they could take over my old HR
career and do it really well.
SPEAKER_03 (37:42):
They probably, yes.
They make their ways.
There's signs, there's alwayssigns when there's someone who
has a wrong intent.
Right.
We know what those signs are.
So once we see it the firsttime, we know it's just a matter
of two or three weeks, andthat's it.
That person will never comeback, we'll never hear from them
again.
They won't die, nothing bad willhappen to them.
(38:03):
They just won't be here.
SPEAKER_02 (38:05):
Right.
What is the history of thehouse?
SPEAKER_03 (38:09):
The house was built uh construction in 1767 started.
It was actually a weddingpresent for Dr.
Peter Oliver Jr.
and his young bride to be SallyHutchinson, who was the daughter
of then governor ofMassachusetts Bay, Thomas
Hutchinson.
As history has taught us, therewas um a band of rebels in the
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city in Boston that later becameknown as the Sons of Liberty.
Now, the family, the Olivers andthe Hutchinson, they were
staunch loyalists, loyal to KingGeorge.
The house is important becausethere was a gentleman by the
name of Dr.
Benjamin Franklin that wasinvited there in 1773.
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And he was actually theambassador before the royal
court over in England for thiscountry.
So the loyalists in the areaslooked to him to be their ally.
And while all of the hostilitieswas brewing under the surface
and becoming overwhelming, theythought that he was also going
to be able to go to these peoplein the city of Boston and other
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areas and persuade them to kindof let's calm this down just a
little bit and let's bend backto the way it should be, which
is loyalist rule.
During a lot of the turmoil,there was a a series of letters
that Sally's father, ThomasHutchinson, wrote, and Peter's
uncle, Andrew Oliver, who wasthe he was the lieutenant
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governor of Massachusetts Bay,Andrew was, and um, he was also
uh very loved for what he did.
He was the tax collector.
So uh as you can imagine, thisis where a lot of this started.
Uh, when he would go to collecttaxes from Sam Adams, Sam
wouldn't pay them, and thenwarrants were issued, and
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arrests tried to be made, andthere was it just got really,
really messy.
So Thomas wrote back and forthto the king, and so did Andrew,
with their plans on how they'regonna squash all this animosity
that was going on.
And I've read through some ofthese letters, and I can see
where the people in Boston wouldbe upset with some of the words
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and some of the ways that theyphrased things.
But Thomas kept his 20 lettersthat were sent to him, but when
the heat got too much in Boston,he looked to his daughter's new
house, known as the OliverHouse, as another place he could
take those letters and he couldhide them away to where they
wouldn't be found.
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So he visited his daughter Sallyand tucked those letters in a
closet upstairs.
So here's where it getsinteresting.
Benjamin Franklin came there in1773, and during this big lavish
party, the judge, Judge Oliver,writes in his journal about Dr.
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Benjamin Franklin staying atOliver Hall, which is the huge,
massive mansion, beautifulplace.
But when it came time to doprivate business, they couldn't
do private business there withall the guests in the house.
There were too many ears.
So Judge Oliver, ThomasHutchinson, Andrew Oliver, and
Dr.
Benjamin Franklin went over tothe small house for an afternoon
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to talk about their plan.
And while Ben was in that houseinside the business room, he
acquired that 20 packets ofletters that were hidden in
Sally's closet upstairs.
So did Benjamin Franklin goupstairs and rummage around in
Sally Hutchinson's closet inthat afternoon?
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I don't think so.
And we and we know that hedidn't stay there because that's
in the judge's journal, you knowwhat he has written.
So it leads us down the path ofasking the spirits of the Oliver
House what really happened.
And what they have revealed tous is there was a chambermaid
that was putting things away inSally's closet.
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She found those 20 packets ofletters.
Now she could not read thischambermaid, but she was
roommates with anotherchambermaid from the opposite
side of the house that could.
And there was a situation thathad happened, and I won't get
into too much detail, but itinvolved Dr.
Peter Oliver Jr.
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And he hurt somebody that wastrue and dear to her, possibly
hanging him in the tree behindthe barn on that side of the
house for seven days for thisgirl to walk by the window and
see out back as an example.
Oh jeez.
SPEAKER_02 (42:48):
Wow.
SPEAKER_03 (42:49):
So what do we have now?
We have motive, and this was away for her to get back at Dr.
Peter Oliver Jr.
She loves Sally and thechildren, but this just she
could not forgive.
Ultimately, these letters uhbrought down this entire family
when they were read aloud atFaniu Hall by Sam Adams.
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It was very shortly after thatthat the American Revolution,
the first shots were fired, andthe kicker and what makes this
house so important in theMiddleborough area as a whole to
the American Revolution, eventhe ruins of Oliver Mill, is
because the judge came there in1744 to manufacture household
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goods, sheets of metal that theywere slit into uh small thin
strips, and the other thing thathe made was ammunition, musket
balls, three-inch cannonballs,and then the guns to be able to
fire them.
So this is why he was sowealthy.
And when the Sons of Libertyconfiscated um on September 1774
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the Oliver House, they sold allthe Tory goods uh to get the
money to be able to buy the Torymade ammunition that the judge
had made at Oliver Mill.
And on 1775, in Lexington, whenthe first shot was fired that
was heard around the world, itwas actually using Tory made
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ammunition against the British.
They took over all thearmaments?
Yes.
If you're a launch, a staunchloyalist and there's British
soldiers and they're beingattacked by the very ammunition
that you made.
Isn't that just a kick in theteeth?
And so maybe that is part ofsome of my uh sense of duty
there, is because I do believethat things that are taken from
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people, uh, sometimes uh uh theyget another chance at life.
And this time we have theability to be able to talk about
the loyalists who were there andrepresent them so people
understand what it was like forthem by what they teach us uh
within the walls of that house.
SPEAKER_00 (44:59):
The thing that also impresses me about Oliver House
and reading about it is that thehouse was purchased and owned by
the town.
SPEAKER_03 (45:07):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (45:08):
And this is a struggle for a lot of towns.
Uh I have seen this happen in mytown and been involved in it,
where the town owns a property.
It doesn't have any tax revenueon it, but it costs to maintain
it if you're going to keepespecially a historical property
you want to try and keep up.
Um so I was so impressed thatthis was an avenue for you to be
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able to create an income thatcould help to maintain and even
restore the property.
SPEAKER_03 (45:41):
Yeah.
Um, and that was a tough one totry to figure out, you know,
because you want to create asafe haven for the energies
there, uh, to be able to bringdifferent people in all the
time.
Because there's gonna be, you'vegot one energy field that's
there, and then you'reintroducing new energies
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constantly, and you don't knowhow that is all gonna work out.
You know, while it's friendly,things could turn if you're not
careful.
But more so, you have to go into this location and explain to
the people within it that we'retalking to each week that we're
doing all these things becausewe're trying to save your house.
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And we want to make sure thatyou are never forgotten and this
house stands strong.
And so for this, we need yourhelp and we need your patience
and your understanding.
And I also need you to give methe lottery numbers so that I
can buy them.
SPEAKER_00 (46:43):
Listen, if you're gonna do anything to help me
keep this house afloat, thelottery numbers would be good.
SPEAKER_03 (46:51):
They they have told me uh some secrets, and if these
secrets do pan out, and I dofind the things that they've
told me to look for.
The property should be takencare of for all time.
The important thing as far asrevenue is you have a venue that
isn't it's amazing and it'sexciting, and you want to have a
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program that draws people in,not just for the investigators
and their personalities, butalso you want to put people in
the adventure.
So, what we do is we actuallybring all the equipment for
people to try out.
One thing I stress to thevolunteers is whatever you buy,
if you want brand hair and putit out and teach people how this
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works, what gives real answersand what gives false positives,
you know, let them feel this intheir hands.
They see it on TV and they thinkthey can do it, but let's
understand how it really worksand let's feel what it's like to
walk through with something, uh,a piece of equipment.
And um, so guests really enjoythat, but also we wanted to make
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it affordable.
You don't want to price it soexpensive that nobody can afford
to come there, but you also needto price it in such a way that
um people are interested in thehouse actually is having money
that's going into the revolvingfund to take care of the
electricity, the securitysystems, the yard, lawn work.
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I mean, we've paid for so muchuh for the house through the
years.
The first four years I wasthere, we had raised over$64,000
to support that property.
And that's just doing Saturdaynights six hours a night when
nobody else wanted to use theproperty.
SPEAKER_00 (48:38):
Right.
That is amazing.
Well, I I mean that's a hugesuccess story and more than what
would have been um achieved intaxes if it were owned by just a
private citizen.
SPEAKER_03 (48:50):
Right.
But you know, I I have seenanother thing start to blossom,
and this makes me so happy.
While I do love paranormal andghosts, um, I said, let me try
to do some historical daytimetours.
Let's just see if there's aninterest.
If people will pay me that,that's direct revenue.
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I get to tell the story a coupleof times a day, and I would
started to do two-hour tours ofthe entire house.
I gave them the full story.
All the details, all thepersonalities, the things that
we read in journals.
I had them cry, I had themlaugh, and before they all left,
they was like, I love thisplace.
(49:32):
I didn't tell them, I didn'ttell them about ghosts.
Take as many pictures as youwant.
Feel feel welcome to sit on thefurniture.
We want you to feel at home.
We're gonna let you put yourhand on the history as we go
through this.
We're gonna let you connect toit.
But today we are talking thefacts, and that is it.
The ghost stuff, we can talksome other time on another tour.
SPEAKER_02 (49:52):
Are there different types of tours that you offer to
say the novice paranormal folkslike Maureen and I, all the way
up to, I know some of some ofthe the well-known paranormal
investigators as well as some ofthe the popular TV shows have
shot and and and and researchthere as well.
SPEAKER_03 (50:15):
Yes, yes, and that's important no matter where you
go.
Any location you have is to giveuh like different layers, tiers
of experiences for people.
Right.
For, you know, we do what wecall a two and a half hour
public ghost tour, and that isjust what it is.
We're going to show you some ofthe documented evidence, we're
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gonna let you hear the voices,we're gonna show you some video
footage that was shot that youmight not see on the internet,
um, give you some specialtidbits here and there, and then
we're gonna walk you through andtell you about some of the
experiences from room to room aslong, as well as we're gonna
talk a little bit of the historyon the tour.
And then we're gonna let you uhcarry some of the equipment
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around with you as we go thelast leg of it and let you kind
of free-flow the last part of itand explore it on your own.
Then we have uh what we call pronights.
Uh, this was an idea that I haduh about giving people the
opportunity that might be alittle bit more seasoned or have
a little bit more experience.
(51:20):
Maybe they're not a part of abig team where they can afford
to rent the location.
I thought, okay, so we're gonnalet folks come in and uh explore
for six hours and we're gonnadivide up like a professional
investigation, just like theywere on a team.
And we're gonna try new things.
We're going to um, they canbring their own equipment and
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use it there.
They don't have to use ours.
Uh we'll give them some water sothey don't dehydrate, and maybe
I'll throw them, I'll throw thema cookie occasionally so they
they stay fed.
But um no chicken nuggets.
Hey, when I'm in that house,don't you touch any chicken
(52:03):
that's in my vicinity?
That's my chicken.
Um, but no, it's it's really uhI think that the pronights,
especially for people who liketo go to different locations and
do this uh on an ongoing basis,I see what we call repeat
offenders.
That's what we call them.
Our pronates go up, and I seethe same people trying to buy
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the tickets.
They jump on so they can be apart of the next one because
each one we do something new anddifferent.
I make sure that there'ssomething new introduced every
uh prone tour, a new experiment,or maybe I have special guest
investigators that havedifferent styles and equipment
just to keep everythinginteresting.
It's always, always, alwaysabout learning.
unknown (52:49):
Right.
SPEAKER_03 (52:50):
We need to keep bringing something new all the
time and open our mind andexpand our knowledge.
And so I keep it fresh.
I keep it real.
In fact, I started writing abook uh a while ago called
Layers.
SPEAKER_02 (53:03):
This was amazing.
Um, keep us informed on theprogress of layers.
We'd love to have you back whenthat book comes out.
SPEAKER_03 (53:13):
Well, if you think you're spooked out now, just
yeah, right.
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (53:18):
Always read during daylight.
SPEAKER_02 (53:20):
Yeah, I've resigned myself to the fact that I'm
gonna sleep with the lights onwhen I read that book.
So, Christy, thank you so muchfor your time.
This has been fantastic.
SPEAKER_03 (53:31):
Oh, well, I appreciate y'all having me uh
with y'all today.
SPEAKER_00 (53:35):
It it has been.
And I can't wait for us to beable to go on a tour, Helen,
because we're going.
SPEAKER_02 (53:41):
Oh, we definitely are going.
SPEAKER_03 (53:43):
For sure.
Oh, yeah.
I'll give it to you for sure.
I mean, when y'all are ready,just call me up.
Let's do this.
Let's walk, let's walk this landand see what it has.
SPEAKER_00 (54:04):
So, Helen, yeah.
That was an exciting interview.
What did you think of that?
SPEAKER_02 (54:10):
It was it, I think it was less of an interview and
more of a story time withChristy.
And then what happened?
SPEAKER_00 (54:18):
Oh my gosh.
I didn't know if I wanted tohear more or I was too afraid to
hear more.
SPEAKER_02 (54:24):
Right, right.
I I mean, I am just I am blownaway at how she was led to the
Oliver House.
Going back to when she was achild and and you know, being um
very sensitive or having thegift to tap into the different
energies around her wascompletely um squelched.
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And as an adult, um, she becamemore in touch with it.
And once she did, she kind oftook off inventing different
types of equipment and gettingmore and more involved and doing
all the experimentation um andexploration that she did.
And it's it's just so funny andso fitting to me that she has
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wound up at the Oliver House andshe is now sharing the stories
of all the families that livedin that house.
SPEAKER_00 (55:18):
Oh my gosh.
And not only that, but my wishesand dreams came true, Helen, and
we got to go to the OliverHouse.
We did.
It was such a great experience.
I loved every minute of it fromthe historical aspects, the
architecture.
What a gracious home for the1700s.
(55:40):
It was beautiful.
Yes, I loved it.
And Christy's knowledge of likeall of the occupants of that
house over the years was justamazing.
SPEAKER_02 (55:53):
It was, it was mind-blowing.
She was so generous with hertime.
And we need to shout out BonnieSanderson Cribbins, um, who also
joined us for that half dayadventure learning all about the
Oliver House.
SPEAKER_00 (56:12):
Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_02 (56:13):
One of what, well, one of the one of the pieces of
equipment Bonnie brought, youactually were able to hold
throughout the house.
Talk a little bit about that.
SPEAKER_00 (56:24):
That piece of equipment, which just it was
like a Geiger counter forenergies, so you would see it
blink on as energies were nearyou.
And I wasn't really paying closeattention to it.
And as is normal for me, thethings that are most attracted
to me are the pets and thechildren.
So I had the strangestexperience as Christy was
(56:48):
explaining about one of thepets, a dog that's in the house,
of feeling as though I hadelectric static brush up against
my ankle.
And I was like, huh, that'sunusual.
And as I look down at thereader, the reader was blinking
red.
So she's like, Oh yeah, that'sthe dog.
Like the dog is here near you.
(57:09):
So that was so cool.
And then the little children.
Oh, and and you just hold thatpiece of equipment and you could
tell about how tall the entityhad been in life.
It was so cool.
You had a piece of equipmentthat was tons of fun as well.
SPEAKER_02 (57:28):
I almost like threw it across the room or dropped it
on a couple of occasions, but Iactually had the piece of
equipment that would pick outwords that the energies were
trying to communicate that itwasn't audible to the human ear.
But this piece of equipmentwould register it and the
equipment would say the word.
(57:50):
And as I was holding it, someenergy wanted to correct Bonnie.
She said, Oh, I can't rememberif it was nine or 10.
And the machinery spoke andsaid, Nine.
That was one of the times Ialmost threw it across the room.
I was like, Are you kidding me?
Are you kidding me?
Oh my gosh.
And it registered specific wordsto um, she was explaining where
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Benjamin Franklin's secretletters were found.
And they were found in a closetupstairs.
And Christy jokingly refers tothe closet as the bacon and eggs
room because there is a hand,there's hand stamped wallpaper
that lines the inside of thiscloset.
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And she's made a joke about itlooks like bacon and eggs.
And when she mentioned BenjaminFranklin's letters, the piece of
equipment spoke and said baconand then eggs.
And she hadn't even mentionedthat.
So I said, Well, apparentlysomebody's hungry.
They want breakfast.
And she said, What's itregistering?
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And I said, bacon and eggs.
She said, Oh, it's because Imentioned the letters.
And then she explained it to us.
And again, I almost dropped thepiece of equipment, but we spent
the better part of a Sundayafternoon touring the house with
Christy, getting to play aroundwith some of the equipment and
learning, I'm sure, just some ofthe stories that the Oliver
(59:19):
households.
SPEAKER_00 (59:21):
It was just, it was so amazing.
And and they have other eventsthere.
They had people doingphotography there for a
calendar.
So it it's such a versatilepiece of property that they do
so much with, and that they'vegot the Halloween events, but
then Christmas events coming uptoo.
I right.
You know, like you sit there andyou go, sign me up for it all.
(59:43):
I want to be there.
SPEAKER_02 (59:44):
It is a gorgeous property, a very historic
property.
Um, in Christy's opinion, a verypivotal property to the
Revolutionary War.
This was just a great time.
And um, Christy, we cannot.
Thank you enough for yourgenerosity of time and sharing
all those stories with us.
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If you're interested in learningmore about the Oliver House,
jump down to our show notes.
We've got links to the OliverHouse website, their social
media platforms.
And regardless of the time ofyear, Maureen and I highly
encourage a visit there to seethe sites and learn more about
this specific property.
(01:00:26):
We also want to give everybody areminder, since Maureen, you
brought up the holiday eventsthat the Oliver House is
holding.
You've got a couple more days tosubmit your funny holiday
memories, funny holidaytraditions, the worst gift you
ever received, and the best giftyou ever received.
We're looking to have some ofour listeners become part of our
(01:00:50):
holiday episode coming up onChristmas week.
So jump down to the show notes.
We have a link to our onlineform so you can share as much or
as little as you'd like in anyof those four categories.
Maureen and I will look through,we'll read as many as we can,
and we're gonna reach out tosome of our favorite submissions
(01:01:11):
to see if you would like torecord with us and be an audio
part of our holiday episode.
So that's a reminder for theupcoming holiday.
And then we have a super coolannouncement on Halloween night
from 8 p.m.
to 9 p.m.
Eastern time.
(01:01:31):
Christy Parrish will be sharingher paranormal stories live on
our Facebook community page.
So you're gonna want to makeplans to join us for that if you
enjoyed this episode.
SPEAKER_00 (01:01:47):
Yeah.
Light the candles and get readyfor the spooky stories, kids.
SPEAKER_02 (01:01:52):
Yeah, absolutely.
We'll also have some OliverHouse giveaways to share with
folks who join us on Halloweennight for ghost stories or
paranormal stories with Christy.
We will be spinning our wheel ofwinners to choose the winners of
several giveaways that Maureenand I are donating, as well as
(01:02:16):
Christy, because she is going tobe making a couple incredibly
generous donations.
So if you are into paranormaland have an interest in visiting
the Oliver House, you are goingto want to make sure your name
gets entered in our Wheel ofWinners so that when we spin,
you've got a shot at some ofthese giveaways.
SPEAKER_00 (01:02:37):
I can't wait to see everybody.
SPEAKER_02 (01:02:39):
I know.
That's it for this week.
Maureen, any parting words?
SPEAKER_00 (01:02:44):
Happy Halloween, everyone.
SPEAKER_02 (01:02:46):
Yeah, happy Halloween.
And we can't wait to do spookyOctober next year.
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SPEAKER_02 (01:03:22):
Thanks for joining us, and until next week, be
bold, be blind, and pursue yourpassions.
Happy Halloween.
As we get ready to close outspooky October, I am so happy to
be able to share with you anencore episode from our
conversation with ParanormalInvestigator and Ghost Tour
manager, Christy Parrish.
It's actually a throwbackepisode to when there were two
(00:21):
co-hosts on AssortedConversations, and we had a
blast talking to Christy.
We weren't able to visit theOliver House, which is the
property at the time she was thecaretaker of.
We weren't able to visit itprior to the interview, but we
did make a trip out to meet herand to explore this gorgeous
(00:44):
property and highly activeproperty after we had our
conversation.
So stick around.
At the end of the interview,Maureen and I talk about what we
experienced at the Oliver House.
And Christy Parrish is veryinvolved in the paranormal
community.
She no longer is affiliated withthe Oliver House.
(01:08):
However, she's moved on to otherproperties such as the Mayflower
Lodge in Middleboro, Mass, andthe Emery Estate in Weymouth,
Mass.
She also teaches at the WeymouthTeen Center.
And she is sharing her knowledgeand her investigation techniques
with young soon-to-be paranormalinvestigators.
(01:30):
So great stuff from Christy.
Jump down to the show notes forlinks to her newest properties.
Take a listen to this week'sepisode, and I'll see you in two
weeks.
(02:18):
It is.
I am so excited to share it.
SPEAKER_00 (02:20):
I have a question for you, Helen.
Have you ever had a paranormalexperience?
SPEAKER_02 (02:25):
You know, I don't believe I have.
(02:55):
So I don't know if thatqualifies as a paranormal
experience, but um I have beentold there's energies that
follow me around.
Oh my gosh.
How about you?
SPEAKER_00 (03:08):
You know, I've had a couple different ones, but I
would say the one that left thebiggest impression on me was in
a house, I was up in my roomreading a book I had borrowed
from one of my housemates.
And I was dozing off as I wasreading the book and could hear
footsteps coming into the roomand could feel someone looking
(03:31):
closely at me.
You know that feeling whensomeone's looking closely at
you?
Yeah.
You just know there's a presencethere.
I had this wave of sadness comeover me.
And it was just like this reallysad kind of despair.
I thought, oh, she's come to gether book.
And I woke up and there was noone there.
(03:53):
And I called down to her to say,Oh, did you want your book?
And she said, What are youtalking about?
And I described what hadhappened, and she said, Well, we
should probably tell you.
SPEAKER_01 (04:06):
Oh, God.
SPEAKER_00 (04:07):
Oh, there has been um a death in this house.
So apparently there was ateenage girl who had committed
suicide in the house.
And that's what I wasexperiencing.
And she said that she had shehad been aware of it and they'd
done some research on the houseand the family that had been
(04:27):
there before.
So they were aware of it.
But it was one of those thingswhere I never I never felt um
afraid as a result.
It was just the sadness and itwas just so melancholy.
And I just kind of spoke to herand said, It's okay.
I'll be your friend.
And never did I experienceanything like that again during
(04:49):
the time I lived in the house.
SPEAKER_02 (04:50):
Wow.
Wow.
It was really strange.
That is that's that's eerie, butalso, I don't know, peaceful in
a way, you know, where where youactually spoke and it never
happened again.
SPEAKER_00 (05:05):
Right.
I've had other experiences, butthat was the one that I think it
was because of the emotion ofit.
Like there was just this realfeeling to it.
So wow, that was kind of cool.
SPEAKER_02 (05:16):
Not unlike um our guest this week, who uh has been
involved with paranormal andparanormal activity and
investigation because she wasactually involved in what she
termed as severe hauntings.
(05:36):
But that ignited a gift in herthat she had long uh pushed
down, and it led her to hercurrent role at the historic
Oliver House.
So take a listen to this week'sconversation, and we will see
you on the other side.
(05:59):
This week's guest is ChristyParish, who volunteers her time
as event coordinator and ghosttour manager for the historic
Oliver Estate in Middleboro,Massachusetts.
Christy feels a sense of dutynot to just preserve the
property's historicsignificance, but also
preserving it for the energiesthat reside there.
(06:20):
Welcome, Christy, and thanks forbeing with us.
SPEAKER_03 (06:23):
Thank you so much.
And I hope a lot of peoplelisten.
So my voice gets out there.
SPEAKER_00 (06:30):
Well, the sound of your voice is beautiful.
SPEAKER_03 (06:34):
I really appreciate y'all uh having me along today
to talk about uh some of thethings that were very important
to me.
And hopefully this will resonatewith people in the audience and
help maybe inspire stuff to goout and do some great things to
help preserve history andlocations.
SPEAKER_02 (06:51):
Yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_00 (06:53):
When you got involved with the Oliver House,
you must have had some kind ofbackground.
How did you get started in theparanormal?
SPEAKER_03 (07:03):
When I was born, I was born with abilities and uh
being in the south and havingthe ability to have uh voices
and to be able to see thingswhen you're a child in the Bible
belt can be very difficult.
And uh I love my parents, but totalk to them about these things,
(07:27):
it got me a whole lot of lot ofchurch and do psychiatric
evaluation um to where I hadeventually believed that it was
wrong to be able to have gifts,and that was kind of like beaten
into me.
Well, uh my story is kind of ait's a hard one to kind of tell
(07:51):
people some of the detailsbecause it's it's pretty scary.
Uh I actually had um married agentleman in 2001, and we
purchased a home that was builtaround the 1930s timeframe down
in Tennessee.
The home was directly across thestreet from a Confederate
cemetery.
(08:12):
Uh, I think the gravesites wereless than a football field from
our front door and angledtowards the direction of our
house.
It always felt odd, but therewas something about it that I
just absolutely was drawn to.
I think being drawn to thishouse was an awakening for me
because the the house and theenergies within it knew that I
(08:37):
could do these things and theyknew that I had these abilities,
but I had shut them off for solong that it took force and
aggression uh to wake me up.
And when we first moved in, ummy husband and my stepdaughter
began to tell me about thepeople that they would see in
(08:58):
the house and the things thatwould touch them, and and there
was a shadow man at the end ofthe hallway.
SPEAKER_00 (09:03):
How old was your stepdaughter at the time?
SPEAKER_03 (09:06):
She was only about six years old when we were
married.
And my husband, you know, hekept saying more things were
happening to him than she was.
But, you know, I I kind ofbrushed it off because that's
what was kind of pushed mydirection growing up, you know,
just your imagination or yourmind is just busy and it's
replaying the day.
(09:27):
That's a thing my mom used totell me a lot.
It was very much alive, thishouse, and it was very
dangerous.
And it started to really goafter my stepdaughter.
And oh no.
I don't have my own children.
Uh, and so when I got marriedand I had a stepdaughter, I
(09:47):
became like the mama bear.
I really love this little girl,and I would move heaven and
earth to protect her and towatch and hear and see her
experience some of these things.
Um that started to get under myskin.
But still, I had this disbeliefbecause that's what was pushed
into me.
And I tried to explain it away,much like my mom tried and my
(10:10):
dad tried to do with me.
SPEAKER_01 (10:12):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (10:13):
Did did anything happen to you?
Or did you experience anythingwhen your stepdaughter was was
experiencing these things?
SPEAKER_03 (10:22):
Yeah.
Um, it started with them, uh, myhusband and my stepdaughter, but
then it turned on me.
And I remember uh the moment Ilove to mow the grass and ride
my little lawnmower and and dothe yard work.
And uh I had come in and I wasall sweaty and achy.
(10:45):
So I told him that I was gonnadraw a bath and I was gonna soak
in the tub for a while.
The water was just a little toohot.
And so when I stepped over intothe tub, I sat down very gently
in the water.
It was so hot.
And I remember curling my armsaround my knees and just kind of
sitting there, just waiting forthe water to cool enough to
(11:07):
where I could lean the rest ofthe weight back into the tub.
And then I remember feeling thiscold breeze to the side of my
face, to the exterior of thetub.
We had the the iron, uh,beautiful decorative like vents.
And when the air conditionerwould come on, you would hear it
rattle a little bit, and therewere some towels that were
(11:28):
hanging above that.
So I just instead I just did itwithout thinking, looked over at
the vent, and as I turned myhead to look over, that's when I
felt the back of a hand smack meacross my jaw.
I mean, it hit me so hard, itspun my head all the way around
to the back, and I jumped out ofthe tub because there is nothing
(11:52):
standing there right beside me,but something just hit me that
hard.
So I jump up out of the tub andI run into the living room and I
have not a stitch of clothes on,I'm dripping wet, the front
door's open, the windows areopen, there's traffic going down
the road, and I'm telling him, Iwas like, something just hit me.
He saw how red it was already,and literally my face stayed
(12:14):
bruised for like four daysacross the jaw.
Um, and that was tough because Iwork around a lot of men at my
job, the one that pays me.
Yeah.
And uh they kept thinking thatmy husband was being abusive to
me, but it wasn't.
It was the energies within thehouse.
And I think what was happeningis they were doing everything
(12:37):
they possibly could to get me towake up and listen to them, and
I wasn't doing it.
So they had to get aggressivefor me to start to pay attention
and believe that they're reallythere.
One of the scariest parts of ituh was my husband and I were
asleep on a Sunday morning, andmy stepdaughter was with her mom
(12:58):
that weekend, and I rememberwaking up and there was like
banging on our back door, andthere was a cop standing, a
couple of cops actually standingthere, and they said, Um uh we
had a phone call, uh, we believecame from this house.
And uh I said, Well, we've beenin bed, and he said, Do you have
(13:18):
a little girl here?
And I was like, No, I have astepdaughter, but she's with her
mom this weekend.
There's no children here.
And uh he says, Well, is yourlandline number?
And he read the number, and Iwas like, Yes, it is, that's our
phone number.
He says, Well, ma'am, do youmind if I just take a look
around?
And I was like, No, you can comein and take a look.
(13:42):
So Taco entered the house andwalked the first floor, and then
they went upstairs and walkedall the bedrooms upstairs and
came back down, and they werejust on their way out the door,
out the back door, and he turnedand he looked at the door that
led into the basement.
And I keep a chain on it becausethat door kept opening up in the
middle of the night.
(14:02):
If you ever walked into my housein Tennessee, every swinging
door has chains on it becausethe things move and I don't need
them.
And so uh I lifted the chain andI opened the door and uh he
said, So that's your basementdown there.
I was like, Yeah.
He said, Do you mind just toexhaust all possibilities?
(14:23):
I said, No, it's fine.
So I flipped on the light at thetop of the stairs, and he
started to walk down the stairs,and I was behind him.
I said, Do you mind if I ask youwhat the urgency is with this uh
girl or this child?
And uh he said, Um, well, wereceived a phone call that she
was about to kill her parents,and then we she hung up and we
(14:44):
couldn't reach her back.
The phone was busy.
SPEAKER_02 (14:47):
Oh my god.
SPEAKER_03 (14:49):
As we got to the base of the stairs, as we got to
the base of the stairs, uh, wedid have a landline that my
husband had put down in thebasement, and the phone was
hanging off the pole and it wasgoing, it was beeping.
And so the officer went over andhe he picked the phone up and he
kind of looked at me, and I waslike, I don't know what to tell
(15:12):
you right now, except I reallyhope that you find this girl
before it's too late.
And it scared me.
It's scaring me now.
SPEAKER_02 (15:23):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (15:26):
Oh, there are so many other things.
I mean, it the experiences thatI had there in itself would
probably be one of the scariestmovies you've ever seen in your
entire life.
We literally had our feetgrabbed and got drug out of bed.
We would walk into people thatwe couldn't see.
Um, we had doors that soundedlike people were trying to break
(15:48):
into our house, but when thecops came, the the doors were
kicked from the inside out, notfrom the outside in.
So it just goes on and on.
Um so what drove me to do thisparanormal uh that I do is the
fact that I reached out topeople, teams in the area,
(16:11):
multiple teams, to come to myhouse and try to get some
answers to try to figure outwhat they can cover, what we
were going through.
And I had uh ladies that werefull-blown psychic mediums that
would walk in and she says, Idon't know how you stay here.
SPEAKER_02 (16:28):
I I no disrespect or to minimize anything you were
going through, but I think thefor sale sign would have been up
very quick if if I evenexperienced one of those things.
SPEAKER_03 (16:42):
Yikes.
And I don't know what wasdriving me to stay, other than
the fact that I wasn't gonna letanybody bully me or push me out
of somewhere that I loved.
The problem was is that eachteam would never come back.
They would have all theseexperiences where they would
(17:03):
have equipment that would shutoff.
One lady said to them in thedining room, we were all in the
dining room, she had all kindsof cameras and recorders.
And she said to them out loud,she says, Do you not know that
you're dead?
And at that time, every youheard click, click, click,
click, click, click, everythingshut down.
And all the video recordings,when they went back to review,
(17:27):
it fizzled out right therebefore the camera shut off.
Right after she said that, youcould hear the sizzling, and it
was on every single camera andevery single room that they had
set up.
It just shut down.
SPEAKER_00 (17:39):
I feel like if you can create that kind of change
in an environment, your energymust must feel like you're
alive.
SPEAKER_03 (17:49):
I think, I think you're exactly right with what
you're saying, you know, andthis is kind of uh where I went
into research mode.
This is where the trueresearcher started.
Is I was I can't get help herein my own household with my own
family to feel safe.
I said, I have to figure thisout.
(18:10):
If nobody else is gonna figurethis out, I'm going to have to
do it.
So I went to libraries and Iwould just sit and read every
single thing that I can possiblyread about, you know, people's
uh experiences with theparanormal.
You don't want to look like acrazy person.
Right.
When you start talking about it.
Because, and that's the reallythe toughest part.
(18:31):
And I feel for a lot of familiesthat go through hauntings is
they feel like they can't reallysay anything because the way
society judges them.
Right.
And that can be almost asdamaging as the activity that's
going on that they have to dealwith or try to figure out how to
resolve or live with in someway.
Right, because they'reostracized for it.
(18:53):
Exactly.
It was in learning about thatwithin the walls of my own house
that I thought, here's kind ofsomething I think people miss
the boat on a lot.
They want to just like get angryout into the atmosphere.
But rather than do that, whydon't we just take a step back
and just try to talk towhatever's in your environment,
(19:14):
just like you're a person, justlike we're talking right here,
have a conversation.
Let them get to know you asbeing not a threat.
And maybe someone that can gettheir voices heard if there's
information or things that theyneed you to know, be that open,
open vessel to be able to dothat.
They can't talk through you, butthey can talk to you, and you
(19:37):
have to make that clear.
Uh, being assertive and beinghaving affirmation in dealing
with this was my saving grace inthat house.
SPEAKER_02 (19:48):
What did you find out about the energies or
spirits in in your house?
SPEAKER_03 (19:55):
You were ready for this.
I don't know.
I don't think I was ready forwhat you just shared.
Well, I will have no fingernailsleft.
So, what I learned was at anygiven time I had anywhere
between 40 to 50 energies thatwalked through my house in a
good time.
And there was essentially uh inmy stepdaughter's bedroom
(20:19):
upstairs a closet.
And we had figured out bysetting up cameras and laser
grids and equipment, we wereable to measure uh seismic
change and everything in thatarea.
When a portal to the house wouldopen, it would sound like broken
glass or a door slamming, andthen we would actually, with the
(20:39):
laser grid, see the forms of thepeople that were walking out of
that door into my house.
They would come and go as theypleased when they wanted.
So literally, there was one thatI kept hearing, and it made a
particular sound uh when it waswalking around.
It's like you heard a step, butyou heard like a click kind of
(21:04):
sound on the floor above you.
And that's what really got me onthis kick of trying to design
new experiments and newdocumentation tools.
And they're not pretty, butthere's some logic that goes in
behind it.
What I really wanted to do wasbe able to go into places in my
house in particular and walkaway with their footprints or
(21:28):
their handprints.
And then I wanted to lift thatprint and I wanted to
cross-reference it uh to someoneor get like a a mark on the
bottom of their shoe from theirtime, and maybe I could trace
that back to how old they are.
And so I took what I call theghost mat, and I also brought a
(21:48):
friend from Rhode Island whoenjoys this stuff, and I said,
Well, you need to come to myhouse.
Right.
I got an experience for you.
And she was like, I can't wait.
We were there uh one night, andthese uh devices that I had
built, they have these uhsensory alarms on them.
(22:08):
So I dust the surface of themat, and during the night we're
asleep, and she nudges me andshe says, Christy, she says, You
need to wake up, listen.
And I was, I was listening, andI heard some movement upstairs,
and then we heard the alarm gooff on the mat upstairs, and it
(22:30):
went off and it went off and itwent off and it went off, and
like it was multiple steps thatwas on this mat.
So I said, Okay, so first off,we're not going up there.
SPEAKER_00 (22:44):
You know what?
Here's what I appreciate.
You heard the sound and you didnot go there.
Which is not like any other likehorror movie I've ever seen
where they always go there.
You're my new hero.
SPEAKER_03 (22:55):
I told her, I said, you know what, let's just give
them their space.
We're just gonna keep relaxing,let them do what they're gonna
do.
Maybe they'll use it more times.
So in the morning, the firstthing when we woke up, she was
like, Let's go check those mats.
I heard the other one go off aswell.
We opened the door to goupstairs, and I have these
(23:16):
really dark painted walls.
Right there on the wall arethese white powder handprints
climbing up the wall to goupstairs.
And she says, Do you see this?
And I was like, Yes.
I said, Take, let's let's takesome pictures and let's document
(23:37):
this.
And she says, Christy, look atthat's a man's hand right there.
Because we held our hands upnext to it.
It was a lot larger, but it wasa human hand.
And so she says, Let's go upthere where we heard the other
one.
So we we kind of creep up thestairs.
It was probably the funniestthing anybody could ever like we
should have like uh Pink Panthermusic.
Did I dunno dunno as we weregoing up those stairs and um we
(24:03):
we make it to the room.
Uh, I put the mat right there inthe doorway of my stepdaughter's
bedroom where the portal is.
Right there on that mat was onefootprint and a square.
And I looked at it and I said,uh I said, This energy only has
(24:24):
one foot.
Oh this is a peg.
And she says, and it's all over.
It's a barefoot and it's a peg,and it's multiple places on this
mat.
So we snapped all kinds ofpictures, and I was like, this
is incredible.
So let's go find out who thisis.
We start uh asking questions,and we got the name Edward.
(24:46):
So I asked, I said, Edward, doyou only have one foot?
And he said, Yes.
So I start calling him Peg LegEddie.
SPEAKER_02 (25:00):
How did you get the name Edward?
And how did you hear him?
SPEAKER_03 (25:05):
We recorded it on a digital audio recorder.
When we played back, we askedthe questions, we play it back,
and there it is in the voice.
SPEAKER_00 (25:14):
Were you able to do research to find out who he was?
SPEAKER_03 (25:17):
Uh well, I kind of figured he was associated with
uh the Civil War.
Right.
Um kind of it just felt thatway.
It makes sense.
And the graveyard's right acrossthe street, but um, I just asked
the question.
I use uh dousing rods.
I don't know if Bonnie ever toldyou about that.
I use them a lot to getconfirmation, yes or no answers
(25:40):
and things like that.
So I grabbed my rods and I justasked him.
I said, Eddie, I was like, if ifyou're bound here because maybe
you're missing your other foot,can you let me know?
And he goes, Yes, like that,really strong.
And I said, Okay, are you herebecause your foot is on my on my
(26:03):
land?
Yes, really strong.
And I was like, Okay.
I said, Would you like me tofind it?
Yes, really strong.
So I asked for him to point tothe direction that I should
travel, and he pointed me to theback of the house.
So we went out the back door,down the stairs and into the
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backyard, and I just told him, Isaid, when we get to you use
these to lead me where I need togo, and then I will look for
your foot.
So he led me around to an oldtree to the back of it, and when
I got there, I could see theanxiousness with the rods, and
then they just cross reallyhard.
(26:45):
So I do a technique where I backup and come at it backwards and
go different directions and seeif it still leads me to the
exact same place.
Right.
And and I also do what I calltouch the tips, where the tips
of the rods will touch threetimes, and that's really hard
for anybody to try tomanipulate.
The spirits can do it, but itwent ting, ting, ting and
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touched right when I got towhere it needed to be.
So I put a stick in the groundright there, and I marked the
ground.
I said, now we should dig.
And my friend's eyes at thetime.
She's like, uh Yeah.
Not so much about this.
I said, Well, if you're notcomfortable with this, that's
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fine.
So we left it for that moment.
But I came back to it withanother friend who really didn't
know as much.
And I was like, just be here asmoral support.
SPEAKER_00 (27:38):
We're digging for treasure.
SPEAKER_01 (27:40):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (27:41):
P.S.
Helen, that's what you need touse on me.
SPEAKER_03 (27:47):
She said, What's the stick for?
And I was like, I think, I don'tknow.
There's something probablyburied here, but I'm not sure
what.
I was lying out my teeth onthis.
Um, and as I started to digabout five to six inches under
the ground, I hit something.
I brought it up and it was likethis creamy white color.
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And it looked like it had theselittle holes in it, almost like,
you know, when you break a bone,there's the marrow portion.
And I thought, that looks likeit goes on a foot.
And uh my friend said, What isthat?
And I said, I don't know.
It might be bone, it might be arock.
And she says, Well, you know, ifyou take it and you touch it to
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your tongue and it sticks, it'sbone.
And I was like, Oh.
SPEAKER_00 (28:36):
This is why you bring the friend who knows what
you're there for so she doesn'tsuggest such a thing.
SPEAKER_02 (28:41):
Did you hand it to her?
Here you try it.
No.
SPEAKER_03 (28:48):
No.
Uh I actually I said, let'slet's take it in the house and
let's clean it up and take abetter look at it.
So I did and I studied it.
And then I called a friend ofmine uh in Rhode Island who's a
nurse, and I was like, I think Imight have a piece of bone here,
but how do I know?
He said, Well, if you stick itto your tongue, it'll stick.
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So he said, just barely stick itto your tongue.
And I had cleaned it up at thispoint, and I did.
SPEAKER_02 (29:17):
And it did you did it stick?
unknown (29:20):
It did.
SPEAKER_00 (29:22):
Oh my gosh, the things we will do for science.
SPEAKER_03 (29:25):
I know, but it I was like, I was convinced at that
point that Peg Leg Eddie hadlegitimately led me to where his
foot was, and um, I didn't haveto dig up the whole thing in
order to tell the story of it.
I needed just to say it out loudto him and say, I found it.
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Here's a piece.
I showed it to him, held it upin the house, and I still have
that piece of bone to this day.
The little it was a piece of thetoe that I had dug up and I had
a uh the Uh foot anatomy, so Icould marry up.
It was part of the big toe.
After I dug up Peg leg Eddie'stoe bone and he found peace,
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then I had to go to work on alot of the other energies in the
house.
SPEAKER_02 (30:15):
How many years after this?
And how deep were you into theparanormal investigating when
you discovered the Oliver State?
SPEAKER_03 (30:26):
The Oliver State came on my radar about five
years ago.
So I was about 15 years into it.
The Oliver House was a happylittle accident.
I go to this convention at SalemConn and listen to the lectures,
and it's a lunch break.
And I'm sitting at the bar andI'm having my favorite food when
I'm out, uh chicken nuggets.
(30:46):
And uh and this lady pulls up achair at the bar beside me and
starts chatting with me.
And she was like, So are youinto ghosts and stuff?
And I was like, Yeah, uh uh youcould say that.
And uh we just strike up aconversation, and she was
telling me that she has anopportunity at this place and
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she's looking for people to helpher with it.
Uh, she wants to start publicghost tours in this home from
1769.
I was like, it's that old,really.
She said, Yeah, it's a prettybig house.
And there's actually been peoplethat's gone in and investigated
it once, and they recordedvoices and had touching and
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paranormal experiences.
So um I think it would be a goodplace to kind of dip toes in the
water and try to start ghosttours.
So we exchanged information.
About a week later, she calls meand um she says, Are you
available to come to Middleboro,Massachusetts, and meet me at
the Oliver House?
And I was like, sure.
(31:50):
She says, put on your workboots, long sleeve shirt, bring
some work gloves.
We're gonna pull weeds today.
Oh my gosh, she is classic.
From the moment that I actuallyturned into that driveway and I
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could barely see the house, Ifelt like I was home somehow.
It was just that instinctivefeeling that you're exactly in
the right place where you needto be right now.
I just felt like I had thisunderlying sense of duty.
And it was through the yearsbeing there, and I've never lost
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that since the very first day,that I somehow need to protect
this place and I need to pour myheart and soul into it and bring
it back from bare bones to bealive again.
SPEAKER_02 (32:50):
That's so cool.
What about the property or thethe folks that lived there do
you feel protective of?
SPEAKER_03 (33:01):
All of them.
Everything about them.
We have documented at least 15different mainstay spirits that
are there all the time.
And they're they're through fromrevolutionary times inside the
house to all the way up untillike 2013.
SPEAKER_02 (33:19):
Are there specific examples of uh a person being
drawn there to speak to or tohave a connection with a
specific energy that's there?
SPEAKER_03 (33:33):
Yes, and no.
Um, I I don't know if it'sspecific to uh an energy in
particular, because there's somany of them.
But I do feel like um, and if Ican get a shout out to the
volunteers uh a little bit, Iwould really appreciate that
because while we're talkingabout my involvement with it, I
can't do this all alone.
(33:53):
Uh, no matter where I'm at,there's always other people
dedicating their time and theirknowledge and their research as
well to the project.
Um, my uh assistant manager forthe ghost tours is Chris
Andrade.
She can see them, she canvisually walk through and see
the images of people like thechambermaids.
(34:17):
She actually was the first oneto actually see in full uh
apparition form the chambermaidthat was intricate to the story,
and from there we just startlearning more and more and more
because there was the comfortlevel uh with her.
She possesses a very empatheticside to everything, she's just a
sweet person, uh sweet soul.
(34:38):
Uh, also we have uh a technicalguy.
His name is uh Paul Heber Jr.
Now he's our camera camera guy,but he also likes to tinker with
electronics and build newdevices.
So uh my nerd side kind ofenjoys that part of the
creativity that he brings to thehouse when we bounce ideas off
(34:58):
of each other.
Um, he seems to be um prettytight with one of the energies
that I've noticed in the houseuh from around the 1940s
timeframe.
His name is Harry or HenryChampion Jones.
He was an owner and used thehouse as a vacation property.
We have new volunteers that havestepped on board lately.
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Uh, Steve Bowden, uh ChristinaWiller, who is a fantastic
sensitive person.
I got her to come out of hershell because I could tell she
was hiding in there and she justneeded a place to be able to
open up and just blossom.
And I thought, hmm, why notthrow her in a haunted house?
That would be great.
(35:44):
If anything will ever bring yoursenses alive, that'll be it.
Uh, Christina, she likes to workwith stones as a healing, like
crystals and things like that.
So she'll she'll actually usethose when she's in the house,
and it seems like it responds.
The house really loves that.
The fact that people bring itgifts and things like that, and
I think they look at the stoneslike that.
(36:07):
Um, we have Elizabeth Ginsburg,who I stole from Tourism.
They can have her whenever theyneed her, and uh her friend, uh
Alicia.
Uh, they come every time I needany help.
They're always there, they'rejust minutes from the door.
Alex Mitchell is the newest anduh man by the name of Dean, but
(36:30):
I don't know Dean's last name.
And then we've had a uh husbandand wife team that's been with
us for a long time, too.
Lynn and uh Peggy Hunt, uh,husband and wife team.
He used to be the fire chief uhfor the Bridgewater area.
And uh so wow.
I love when Lynn and Peggy come.
They have a grandbaby, so thegrandbaby takes a lot of their
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times now, you know.
I can just see grandma andgrandpa pictures all the time.
And I'm like, what about thedays when you used to take
pictures with ghosts?
Don't forget that.
We've all sort of been broughtthere separate from each other,
but for very specific reasons.
And we've saw that if the houseis pleased with you and the
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people that are there feelcomfortable with you and you
respect them and they respectyou, you're gonna stay.
However, if you do somethingthat they can sense within you
is is not good for the house asas a whole, you will not be
there that long.
And we don't have to do anythingor say anything.
The house will take care of you.
SPEAKER_02 (37:35):
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (37:36):
I'm feeling like they could take over my old HR
career and do it really well.
SPEAKER_03 (37:42):
They probably, yes.
They make their ways.
There's signs, there's alwayssigns when there's someone who
has a wrong intent.
Right.
We know what those signs are.
So once we see it the firsttime, we know it's just a matter
of two or three weeks, andthat's it.
That person will never comeback, we'll never hear from them
again.
They won't die, nothing bad willhappen to them.
(38:03):
They just won't be here.
SPEAKER_02 (38:05):
Right.
What is the history of thehouse?
SPEAKER_03 (38:09):
The house was built uh construction in 1767 started.
It was actually a weddingpresent for Dr.
Peter Oliver Jr.
and his young bride to be SallyHutchinson, who was the daughter
of then governor ofMassachusetts Bay, Thomas
Hutchinson.
As history has taught us, therewas um a band of rebels in the
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city in Boston that later becameknown as the Sons of Liberty.
Now, the family, the Olivers andthe Hutchinson, they were
staunch loyalists, loyal to KingGeorge.
The house is important becausethere was a gentleman by the
name of Dr.
Benjamin Franklin that wasinvited there in 1773.
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And he was actually theambassador before the royal
court over in England for thiscountry.
So the loyalists in the areaslooked to him to be their ally.
And while all of the hostilitieswas brewing under the surface
and becoming overwhelming, theythought that he was also going
to be able to go to these peoplein the city of Boston and other
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areas and persuade them to kindof let's calm this down just a
little bit and let's bend backto the way it should be, which
is loyalist rule.
During a lot of the turmoil,there was a a series of letters
that Sally's father, ThomasHutchinson, wrote, and Peter's
uncle, Andrew Oliver, who wasthe he was the lieutenant
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governor of Massachusetts Bay,Andrew was, and um, he was also
uh very loved for what he did.
He was the tax collector.
So uh as you can imagine, thisis where a lot of this started.
Uh, when he would go to collecttaxes from Sam Adams, Sam
wouldn't pay them, and thenwarrants were issued, and
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arrests tried to be made, andthere was it just got really,
really messy.
So Thomas wrote back and forthto the king, and so did Andrew,
with their plans on how they'regonna squash all this animosity
that was going on.
And I've read through some ofthese letters, and I can see
where the people in Boston wouldbe upset with some of the words
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and some of the ways that theyphrased things.
But Thomas kept his 20 lettersthat were sent to him, but when
the heat got too much in Boston,he looked to his daughter's new
house, known as the OliverHouse, as another place he could
take those letters and he couldhide them away to where they
wouldn't be found.
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So he visited his daughter Sallyand tucked those letters in a
closet upstairs.
So here's where it getsinteresting.
Benjamin Franklin came there in1773, and during this big lavish
party, the judge, Judge Oliver,writes in his journal about Dr.
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Benjamin Franklin staying atOliver Hall, which is the huge,
massive mansion, beautifulplace.
But when it came time to doprivate business, they couldn't
do private business there withall the guests in the house.
There were too many ears.
So Judge Oliver, ThomasHutchinson, Andrew Oliver, and
Dr.
Benjamin Franklin went over tothe small house for an afternoon
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to talk about their plan.
And while Ben was in that houseinside the business room, he
acquired that 20 packets ofletters that were hidden in
Sally's closet upstairs.
So did Benjamin Franklin goupstairs and rummage around in
Sally Hutchinson's closet inthat afternoon?
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I don't think so.
And we and we know that hedidn't stay there because that's
in the judge's journal, you knowwhat he has written.
So it leads us down the path ofasking the spirits of the Oliver
House what really happened.
And what they have revealed tous is there was a chambermaid
that was putting things away inSally's closet.
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She found those 20 packets ofletters.
Now she could not read thischambermaid, but she was
roommates with anotherchambermaid from the opposite
side of the house that could.
And there was a situation thathad happened, and I won't get
into too much detail, but itinvolved Dr.
Peter Oliver Jr.
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And he hurt somebody that wastrue and dear to her, possibly
hanging him in the tree behindthe barn on that side of the
house for seven days for thisgirl to walk by the window and
see out back as an example.
Oh jeez.
SPEAKER_02 (42:48):
Wow.
SPEAKER_03 (42:49):
So what do we have now?
We have motive, and this was away for her to get back at Dr.
Peter Oliver Jr.
She loves Sally and thechildren, but this just she
could not forgive.
Ultimately, these letters uhbrought down this entire family
when they were read aloud atFaniu Hall by Sam Adams.
(43:11):
It was very shortly after thatthat the American Revolution,
the first shots were fired, andthe kicker and what makes this
house so important in theMiddleborough area as a whole to
the American Revolution, eventhe ruins of Oliver Mill, is
because the judge came there in1744 to manufacture household
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goods, sheets of metal that theywere slit into uh small thin
strips, and the other thing thathe made was ammunition, musket
balls, three-inch cannonballs,and then the guns to be able to
fire them.
So this is why he was sowealthy.
And when the Sons of Libertyconfiscated um on September 1774
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the Oliver House, they sold allthe Tory goods uh to get the
money to be able to buy the Torymade ammunition that the judge
had made at Oliver Mill.
And on 1775, in Lexington, whenthe first shot was fired that
was heard around the world, itwas actually using Tory made
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ammunition against the British.
They took over all thearmaments?
Yes.
If you're a launch, a staunchloyalist and there's British
soldiers and they're beingattacked by the very ammunition
that you made.
Isn't that just a kick in theteeth?
And so maybe that is part ofsome of my uh sense of duty
there, is because I do believethat things that are taken from
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people, uh, sometimes uh uh theyget another chance at life.
And this time we have theability to be able to talk about
the loyalists who were there andrepresent them so people
understand what it was like forthem by what they teach us uh
within the walls of that house.
SPEAKER_00 (44:59):
The thing that also impresses me about Oliver House
and reading about it is that thehouse was purchased and owned by
the town.
SPEAKER_03 (45:07):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (45:08):
And this is a struggle for a lot of towns.
Uh I have seen this happen in mytown and been involved in it,
where the town owns a property.
It doesn't have any tax revenueon it, but it costs to maintain
it if you're going to keepespecially a historical property
you want to try and keep up.
Um so I was so impressed thatthis was an avenue for you to be
(45:35):
able to create an income thatcould help to maintain and even
restore the property.
SPEAKER_03 (45:41):
Yeah.
Um, and that was a tough one totry to figure out, you know,
because you want to create asafe haven for the energies
there, uh, to be able to bringdifferent people in all the
time.
Because there's gonna be, you'vegot one energy field that's
there, and then you'reintroducing new energies
(46:04):
constantly, and you don't knowhow that is all gonna work out.
You know, while it's friendly,things could turn if you're not
careful.
But more so, you have to go into this location and explain to
the people within it that we'retalking to each week that we're
doing all these things becausewe're trying to save your house.
(46:26):
And we want to make sure thatyou are never forgotten and this
house stands strong.
And so for this, we need yourhelp and we need your patience
and your understanding.
And I also need you to give methe lottery numbers so that I
can buy them.
SPEAKER_00 (46:43):
Listen, if you're gonna do anything to help me
keep this house afloat, thelottery numbers would be good.
SPEAKER_03 (46:51):
They they have told me uh some secrets, and if these
secrets do pan out, and I dofind the things that they've
told me to look for.
The property should be takencare of for all time.
The important thing as far asrevenue is you have a venue that
isn't it's amazing and it'sexciting, and you want to have a
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program that draws people in,not just for the investigators
and their personalities, butalso you want to put people in
the adventure.
So, what we do is we actuallybring all the equipment for
people to try out.
One thing I stress to thevolunteers is whatever you buy,
if you want brand hair and putit out and teach people how this
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works, what gives real answersand what gives false positives,
you know, let them feel this intheir hands.
They see it on TV and they thinkthey can do it, but let's
understand how it really worksand let's feel what it's like to
walk through with something, uh,a piece of equipment.
And um, so guests really enjoythat, but also we wanted to make
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it affordable.
You don't want to price it soexpensive that nobody can afford
to come there, but you also needto price it in such a way that
um people are interested in thehouse actually is having money
that's going into the revolvingfund to take care of the
electricity, the securitysystems, the yard, lawn work.
(48:20):
I mean, we've paid for so muchuh for the house through the
years.
The first four years I wasthere, we had raised over$64,000
to support that property.
And that's just doing Saturdaynights six hours a night when
nobody else wanted to use theproperty.
SPEAKER_00 (48:38):
Right.
That is amazing.
Well, I I mean that's a hugesuccess story and more than what
would have been um achieved intaxes if it were owned by just a
private citizen.
SPEAKER_03 (48:50):
Right.
But you know, I I have seenanother thing start to blossom,
and this makes me so happy.
While I do love paranormal andghosts, um, I said, let me try
to do some historical daytimetours.
Let's just see if there's aninterest.
If people will pay me that,that's direct revenue.
(49:11):
I get to tell the story a coupleof times a day, and I would
started to do two-hour tours ofthe entire house.
I gave them the full story.
All the details, all thepersonalities, the things that
we read in journals.
I had them cry, I had themlaugh, and before they all left,
they was like, I love thisplace.
(49:32):
I didn't tell them, I didn'ttell them about ghosts.
Take as many pictures as youwant.
Feel feel welcome to sit on thefurniture.
We want you to feel at home.
We're gonna let you put yourhand on the history as we go
through this.
We're gonna let you connect toit.
But today we are talking thefacts, and that is it.
The ghost stuff, we can talksome other time on another tour.
SPEAKER_02 (49:52):
Are there different types of tours that you offer to
say the novice paranormal folkslike Maureen and I, all the way
up to, I know some of some ofthe the well-known paranormal
investigators as well as some ofthe the popular TV shows have
shot and and and and researchthere as well.
SPEAKER_03 (50:15):
Yes, yes, and that's important no matter where you
go.
Any location you have is to giveuh like different layers, tiers
of experiences for people.
Right.
For, you know, we do what wecall a two and a half hour
public ghost tour, and that isjust what it is.
We're going to show you some ofthe documented evidence, we're
(50:37):
gonna let you hear the voices,we're gonna show you some video
footage that was shot that youmight not see on the internet,
um, give you some specialtidbits here and there, and then
we're gonna walk you through andtell you about some of the
experiences from room to room aslong, as well as we're gonna
talk a little bit of the historyon the tour.
And then we're gonna let you uhcarry some of the equipment
(51:00):
around with you as we go thelast leg of it and let you kind
of free-flow the last part of itand explore it on your own.
Then we have uh what we call pronights.
Uh, this was an idea that I haduh about giving people the
opportunity that might be alittle bit more seasoned or have
a little bit more experience.
(51:20):
Maybe they're not a part of abig team where they can afford
to rent the location.
I thought, okay, so we're gonnalet folks come in and uh explore
for six hours and we're gonnadivide up like a professional
investigation, just like theywere on a team.
And we're gonna try new things.
We're going to um, they canbring their own equipment and
(51:42):
use it there.
They don't have to use ours.
Uh we'll give them some water sothey don't dehydrate, and maybe
I'll throw them, I'll throw thema cookie occasionally so they
they stay fed.
But um no chicken nuggets.
Hey, when I'm in that house,don't you touch any chicken
(52:03):
that's in my vicinity?
That's my chicken.
Um, but no, it's it's really uhI think that the pronights,
especially for people who liketo go to different locations and
do this uh on an ongoing basis,I see what we call repeat
offenders.
That's what we call them.
Our pronates go up, and I seethe same people trying to buy
(52:25):
the tickets.
They jump on so they can be apart of the next one because
each one we do something new anddifferent.
I make sure that there'ssomething new introduced every
uh prone tour, a new experiment,or maybe I have special guest
investigators that havedifferent styles and equipment
just to keep everythinginteresting.
It's always, always, alwaysabout learning.
unknown (52:49):
Right.
SPEAKER_03 (52:50):
We need to keep bringing something new all the
time and open our mind andexpand our knowledge.
And so I keep it fresh.
I keep it real.
In fact, I started writing abook uh a while ago called
Layers.
SPEAKER_02 (53:03):
This was amazing.
Um, keep us informed on theprogress of layers.
We'd love to have you back whenthat book comes out.
SPEAKER_03 (53:13):
Well, if you think you're spooked out now, just
yeah, right.
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (53:18):
Always read during daylight.
SPEAKER_02 (53:20):
Yeah, I've resigned myself to the fact that I'm
gonna sleep with the lights onwhen I read that book.
So, Christy, thank you so muchfor your time.
This has been fantastic.
SPEAKER_03 (53:31):
Oh, well, I appreciate y'all having me uh
with y'all today.
SPEAKER_00 (53:35):
It it has been.
And I can't wait for us to beable to go on a tour, Helen,
because we're going.
SPEAKER_02 (53:41):
Oh, we definitely are going.
SPEAKER_03 (53:43):
For sure.
Oh, yeah.
I'll give it to you for sure.
I mean, when y'all are ready,just call me up.
Let's do this.
Let's walk, let's walk this landand see what it has.
SPEAKER_00 (54:04):
So, Helen, yeah.
That was an exciting interview.
What did you think of that?
SPEAKER_02 (54:10):
It was it, I think it was less of an interview and
more of a story time withChristy.
And then what happened?
SPEAKER_00 (54:18):
Oh my gosh.
I didn't know if I wanted tohear more or I was too afraid to
hear more.
SPEAKER_02 (54:24):
Right, right.
I I mean, I am just I am blownaway at how she was led to the
Oliver House.
Going back to when she was achild and and you know, being um
very sensitive or having thegift to tap into the different
energies around her wascompletely um squelched.
(54:47):
And as an adult, um, she becamemore in touch with it.
And once she did, she kind oftook off inventing different
types of equipment and gettingmore and more involved and doing
all the experimentation um andexploration that she did.
And it's it's just so funny andso fitting to me that she has
(55:11):
wound up at the Oliver House andshe is now sharing the stories
of all the families that livedin that house.
SPEAKER_00 (55:18):
Oh my gosh.
And not only that, but my wishesand dreams came true, Helen, and
we got to go to the OliverHouse.
We did.
It was such a great experience.
I loved every minute of it fromthe historical aspects, the
architecture.
What a gracious home for the1700s.
(55:40):
It was beautiful.
Yes, I loved it.
And Christy's knowledge of likeall of the occupants of that
house over the years was justamazing.
SPEAKER_02 (55:53):
It was, it was mind-blowing.
She was so generous with hertime.
And we need to shout out BonnieSanderson Cribbins, um, who also
joined us for that half dayadventure learning all about the
Oliver House.
SPEAKER_00 (56:12):
Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_02 (56:13):
One of what, well, one of the one of the pieces of
equipment Bonnie brought, youactually were able to hold
throughout the house.
Talk a little bit about that.
SPEAKER_00 (56:24):
That piece of equipment, which just it was
like a Geiger counter forenergies, so you would see it
blink on as energies were nearyou.
And I wasn't really paying closeattention to it.
And as is normal for me, thethings that are most attracted
to me are the pets and thechildren.
So I had the strangestexperience as Christy was
(56:48):
explaining about one of thepets, a dog that's in the house,
of feeling as though I hadelectric static brush up against
my ankle.
And I was like, huh, that'sunusual.
And as I look down at thereader, the reader was blinking
red.
So she's like, Oh yeah, that'sthe dog.
Like the dog is here near you.
(57:09):
So that was so cool.
And then the little children.
Oh, and and you just hold thatpiece of equipment and you could
tell about how tall the entityhad been in life.
It was so cool.
You had a piece of equipmentthat was tons of fun as well.
SPEAKER_02 (57:28):
I almost like threw it across the room or dropped it
on a couple of occasions, but Iactually had the piece of
equipment that would pick outwords that the energies were
trying to communicate that itwasn't audible to the human ear.
But this piece of equipmentwould register it and the
equipment would say the word.
(57:50):
And as I was holding it, someenergy wanted to correct Bonnie.
She said, Oh, I can't rememberif it was nine or 10.
And the machinery spoke andsaid, Nine.
That was one of the times Ialmost threw it across the room.
I was like, Are you kidding me?
Are you kidding me?
Oh my gosh.
And it registered specific wordsto um, she was explaining where
(58:13):
Benjamin Franklin's secretletters were found.
And they were found in a closetupstairs.
And Christy jokingly refers tothe closet as the bacon and eggs
room because there is a hand,there's hand stamped wallpaper
that lines the inside of thiscloset.
(58:34):
And she's made a joke about itlooks like bacon and eggs.
And when she mentioned BenjaminFranklin's letters, the piece of
equipment spoke and said baconand then eggs.
And she hadn't even mentionedthat.
So I said, Well, apparentlysomebody's hungry.
They want breakfast.
And she said, What's itregistering?
(58:56):
And I said, bacon and eggs.
She said, Oh, it's because Imentioned the letters.
And then she explained it to us.
And again, I almost dropped thepiece of equipment, but we spent
the better part of a Sundayafternoon touring the house with
Christy, getting to play aroundwith some of the equipment and
learning, I'm sure, just some ofthe stories that the Oliver
(59:19):
households.
SPEAKER_00 (59:21):
It was just, it was so amazing.
And and they have other eventsthere.
They had people doingphotography there for a
calendar.
So it it's such a versatilepiece of property that they do
so much with, and that they'vegot the Halloween events, but
then Christmas events coming uptoo.
I right.
You know, like you sit there andyou go, sign me up for it all.
(59:43):
I want to be there.
SPEAKER_02 (59:44):
It is a gorgeous property, a very historic
property.
Um, in Christy's opinion, a verypivotal property to the
Revolutionary War.
This was just a great time.
And um, Christy, we cannot.
Thank you enough for yourgenerosity of time and sharing
all those stories with us.
(01:00:06):
If you're interested in learningmore about the Oliver House,
jump down to our show notes.
We've got links to the OliverHouse website, their social
media platforms.
And regardless of the time ofyear, Maureen and I highly
encourage a visit there to seethe sites and learn more about
this specific property.
(01:00:26):
We also want to give everybody areminder, since Maureen, you
brought up the holiday eventsthat the Oliver House is
holding.
You've got a couple more days tosubmit your funny holiday
memories, funny holidaytraditions, the worst gift you
ever received, and the best giftyou ever received.
We're looking to have some ofour listeners become part of our
(01:00:50):
holiday episode coming up onChristmas week.
So jump down to the show notes.
We have a link to our onlineform so you can share as much or
as little as you'd like in anyof those four categories.
Maureen and I will look through,we'll read as many as we can,
and we're gonna reach out tosome of our favorite submissions
(01:01:11):
to see if you would like torecord with us and be an audio
part of our holiday episode.
So that's a reminder for theupcoming holiday.
And then we have a super coolannouncement on Halloween night
from 8 p.m.
to 9 p.m.
Eastern time.
(01:01:31):
Christy Parrish will be sharingher paranormal stories live on
our Facebook community page.
So you're gonna want to makeplans to join us for that if you
enjoyed this episode.
SPEAKER_00 (01:01:47):
Yeah.
Light the candles and get readyfor the spooky stories, kids.
SPEAKER_02 (01:01:52):
Yeah, absolutely.
We'll also have some OliverHouse giveaways to share with
folks who join us on Halloweennight for ghost stories or
paranormal stories with Christy.
We will be spinning our wheel ofwinners to choose the winners of
several giveaways that Maureenand I are donating, as well as
(01:02:16):
Christy, because she is going tobe making a couple incredibly
generous donations.
So if you are into paranormaland have an interest in visiting
the Oliver House, you are goingto want to make sure your name
gets entered in our Wheel ofWinners so that when we spin,
you've got a shot at some ofthese giveaways.
SPEAKER_00 (01:02:37):
I can't wait to see everybody.
SPEAKER_02 (01:02:39):
I know.
That's it for this week.
Maureen, any parting words?
SPEAKER_00 (01:02:44):
Happy Halloween, everyone.
SPEAKER_02 (01:02:46):
Yeah, happy Halloween.
And we can't wait to do spookyOctober next year.
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SPEAKER_02 (01:03:22):
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