August 21, 2023 • 33 mins
Crack the code of the cosmos with us as we embark on an astrological journey to understand the intriguing modality and elemental personality of Scorpio Rising. Imagine having the ability to analyze the distinct energy combination of fixed water inherent to Scorpio and utilize this knowledge to appreciate the unique behavioral traits it brings. What's more, in this episode, we'll also let you in on the secret to reading natal charts, likening it to sheet music, to unlock a deeper understanding of one's individuality.
But the cosmic journey does not end there. Ever wondered how the celestial dynamics between Neptune and the Sun in a natal chart play out in your life? Navigate the labyrinth of emotions, from confusion and idealism to deception, as we unravel the impact of the moon's opposition to the sun on our sense of emotional completeness.
To top it off, we also explore the fascinating and intense connections between two people and their astrological charts. Learn how to spot the differences, identify beneficial aspects, and decipher those pesky squares for a successful and lasting relationship. It’s time to align our stars and connect the astrological dots. Let’s get started!
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Sunny (00:00):
And so.
But what's happening right nowin the sky is that this is a
Scorpio rising chart and,honestly, in the past because I
have a thing about Scorpio in myown chart I would have been
like, ooh, I don't know, I don't, I don't like that, but it's
about delving in to secrets,it's about uncovering.
(00:23):
Scorpio is very much aboutuncovering the secret, you know,
and so that's that is very muchwhat we're trying to do here
today.
Bootes (00:33):
So, and always, so Scorpio falling in the winter,
that tells us a little bit aboutits elemental and modal
personality, right?
So it's cold, right.
Sunny (00:47):
Right, well, it's not quite winter, it's like late
October.
Bootes (00:51):
Okay.
Sunny (00:53):
But Scorpio is a water sign, okay, and it's also a
fixed sign, and so fixed water.
What does that make you thinkof?
Bootes (01:03):
Well, when I first started looking into astrology I
found that the term's fixedcardinal and um, the other one,
mutable.
See, yeah, they have noconnection to anything.
In my vocabulary that kind ofmakes sense for what they
(01:24):
actually mean.
Like mutable, I was like so youcan turn it off.
Sunny (01:28):
Marvelous.
Let's talk about that becausethat's, that's awesome.
Um, so, cardinal is placed atthe beginning of a season.
Okay, aries is a cardinal sign.
Cancer at the beginning ofsummer, um, libra at the
beginning of autumn andCapricorn at the beginning of
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winter.
Okay, and the reason they'replaced this way is because
cardinal signs have aninitiatory energy.
They start things up, okay,they're.
You know, somebody with a lotof cardinal energy is an idea
person.
They're like coming up with allthese schemes.
(02:10):
They don't necessarily followthrough, so you know, but they,
but they're great at dreaming upand going.
I know what we need to do.
We need a thing, okay.
Bootes (02:25):
Right.
Sunny (02:25):
And I'm talking with my hands tremendously, but so, and
then the next sign in the orderin the seasons is a fixed sign.
So in the spring, that's Taurus.
In the summer that's Leo, okay,in August, late July, early
August, which we're gettingready to come into and, um, fall
(02:46):
is, oh, why can't I do thisright now?
I have to look at a chart Fallis Scorpio, and, and then winter
is Aquarius, okay, and theseare all fixed.
The fixed energy is like okay,I got your, I got your vision, I
grasp it, I'm going toimplement that, I'm going to
(03:08):
bring that into manifestation.
Ok, let's go Now.
Remember, too, we all have allof these energies in our chart,
we're all capable of doing allof these things.
But sometimes people have a lotof energy in one type it's
called a modality in onemodality or another, and that
just gives them a little moregenius in one particular aspect
(03:32):
of this three-part conversation.
The third part is the mutablesigns.
Ok, and so, and you can alwaysthink of the mutable signs as
it's like we're coming to theend of a season and so, like one
day we'll feel really, let'ssay, spring.
We're talking about spring,first Gemini, right In June,
(03:56):
some days, and late May.
Some days we'll feel reallysummer-like, really hot, oh man,
and then other days it's likereally cool and rainy and windy.
You know it's that energy isone, energy is moving out, the
other one is moving in.
Bootes (04:14):
OK.
Sunny (04:15):
How this shows up in a person, in behavior, is that
mutable signs are reallyexcellent at saying look at this
thing that you made.
I'm noticing that this littlepart, this, doesn't work very
well.
What if we tweaked that andchanged it and tried to make it
more functional or whatever, orpretty or whatever the purpose
(04:39):
is?
Bootes (04:39):
Yeah.
Sunny (04:40):
OK, so they are great at taking something, and then they
it's not exactly picking itapart, but it's looking at
things as the sum of their parts.
Is that the right way of youknow, or it's really about
looking at the parts?
Bootes (04:55):
So it's looking at the trees instead of the forest, but
deliberately Very good yeahyeah, yeah, exactly so.
Sunny (05:01):
And then we go back into cardinal energy in the calendar,
you know, and that's how thatworks.
Those modalities work, ok, ok.
So somebody with a lot ofcardinal energy is going to be,
you know, zooming aroundcreating Fixed energy.
They love when somebody elsehas come up with something.
They don't really, they don'treally want to come up with it
(05:23):
themselves.
Ok, Right they but they, butthey're great at.
You know it's like, it's liketaking marching orders and, like
you know, I know what to do.
Bootes (05:32):
OK, they can implement, right OK.
Sunny (05:34):
And then mutable is yeah, let's, let's, let's improve
that, let's see if we can makethat even better.
Bootes (05:41):
OK, ok, what so we've got the fixed water sign as our.
Send it at the moment.
Yeah, yeah, and so that's withthe energy of water being
applied to the mutable energy ofkeeping or fixed energy, Fixed
energy.
Of keeping something going or ofmodifying and improving and
(06:04):
being part of the longer termprocess of whatever the subject
is.
So how does water fit into that?
We kind of a basicunderstanding that I have of
water is that it's very,everybody always says, emotional
.
Is what they point to as waterRight?
(06:26):
Water is the most flexible,well, actually, maybe the second
most flexible of the elements,next to air.
Ok, yes, yes, and it is.
It drops, it sinks, whereas airtends to stay up in the sky.
So how does that kind of playin and mix with the fixed energy
(06:49):
in order to make Scorpio whatit is?
Sunny (06:55):
Love it, love it.
Good question.
So in astrology we talk a lotin, we talk in symbols, almost
exclusively Symbols andmetaphors.
Ok, and when you talk aboutwater, very much emotional, very
, very along those lines.
And so in Pisces, for example,we think of an ocean.
(07:19):
Ok, in for cancer.
Those are the three water signscancer, scorpio, pisces.
In cancer, we think of like alake OK, in Scorpio, and this
sounds terrible but it works.
We think of a sewer OK, I meanit's water flowing, but it has a
(07:45):
fixed path.
It is not.
I mean a lake can overflow andflood the fields.
The ocean has tides and waves,it's constantly moving.
Bootes (07:56):
OK.
Sunny (07:57):
But a fixed water, other than freezing it, how do you
make water stay in one place?
You design a channel for it.
Bootes (08:08):
OK.
Sunny (08:08):
You design a route and so , scorpio, the energy is
emotional, but it's like I'm notreally, like you know, looking
to spread this out.
We're just going, we're just,we're on this path.
Bootes (08:24):
Okay.
So it's kind of directed withits emotions.
Love it, yeah, and um.
Yeah, maybe before I know.
You know plumbing has beenaround a long time, but maybe
before plumbing, when theseconcepts were um being used, you
know, in early antiquity andsuch um do you think maybe like
(08:46):
a river or a stream would havebeen more where fixed water
would fall into right beforethey can.
Sunny (08:52):
But I mean honestly, aqueducts came in pretty early
in the scenario, yeah, and justuh like digging trenches to
water your crops.
Bootes (09:01):
It's one of our earliest behaviors when we're like I'm
sick of tracing them across theprairie.
I want to just keep them inlike a fence.
I'm going to cut down sometrees and put them up, and then
I want some you know grass podsto eat too, and so I'm going to
bring the water over here justthrough the dirt, make my own
little river, yeah.
Sunny (09:19):
Yeah, yeah.
So in that sense, and you know,yes, in antiquity obviously we
didn't have those.
You know, sewer pipes that arefour feet across, you know.
But but the, the, the conceptis, is still the same it's water
that has a path.
Okay, you know got you.
Bootes (09:39):
So, yeah, cool.
So that's what we are, um, in auh position where you are
applying this to an event, inthis case, us recording here and
making the podcast, right.
So it's a fixed energy ofinternal.
It's not always just emotions,right?
Water is not always justemotions but it's like the
(10:01):
internal.
Exploring Right, right, and sowe're directing it in what we're
doing here and trying to get tothe bottom of things and be, uh
, you know, on course of wherewe're going.
Not that we're super, on coursewe're a little bit you know
just like hey, what's things wecan talk about, and uh running
with it.
And that's the feel that wewant to go with for this Um, but
(10:26):
we are fixed in the energy ofwanting to talk about astrology
and how other things channelinto that Right, right, love it,
love it.
Sunny (10:35):
Very good, nice hook.
Okay, um yeah.
And the the thing that we satdown and decided we wanted to
talk about today was sun signs,yeah.
Bootes (10:47):
Yeah, everybody loves sun signs.
Everybody loves sun signs,except sun signs.
I want to go.
Sunny (10:51):
I am.
I am not a fan.
Honestly.
Um, it's not that sun signsthemselves are bad, you know.
It's that it's made sosimplistic, and I get why.
You know the reason.
The reason why is because ourcalendar is based on the
(11:12):
movement of the sun.
It is 365 days long, becausethat's how long it takes the
earth to go around the sun, or,in astrology, for the sun to go
around the zodiac.
Bootes (11:25):
Yes, okay, as as it was in tradition.
Sunny (11:30):
As the ancients.
Bootes (11:31):
The way it's always been .
Sunny (11:32):
Now, with this new fangled science, yeah, so you
know, and, and so it's very easy, you do not have to even, you
don't have to even open a bookor a computer program or
anything to generally know whereyour son is.
Okay, right, if you were bornin July, your son is in.
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You know it's early July, yourson is in cancer.
End of discussion.
And now we get to talk oh,cancer, that means you're like
this and that means you're likethat.
Okay, and so, basically, sunsign astrology would have us act
and think as though there are12 different kinds of people
(12:17):
Libra, cancer, pisces, boom,that's all we need to know.
Okay, but it's not, and this isthis is my, this is my issue
with it.
Okay, even though every timethat you know, you read the
description about what a, aLibra son is, what a cancer son
is, what a Pisces son is, it's,there's a lot of words, and so
(12:40):
you can kind of pick and chooseand go.
Well, I'm kind of like that,I'm kind of like that, I'm not
really like that, so I'm notgoing to use that word.
Okay, but essentially, thereare 12 descriptors for all.
What is it?
7 billion, 8 billion?
Bootes (12:56):
8 billion, over 8 billion, okay.
Sunny (12:58):
So, so all 8 billion could be described by one of
these 12 descriptors, each withlike a paragraph or two.
Yeah, that defies logic.
Bootes (13:11):
Okay, and that's why people, I think, so easily say
like, well, obviously, that's,you know horseshit.
My mom is whatever.
My mom's a Leo and she hatesattacks.
She's very quiet.
Yeah, yeah, you know, and thatwould never be in any simple
description of a Leo ever,absolutely, absolutely Right.
Sunny (13:31):
So what we have there is okay.
Okay, we have 12 differentkinds of people and I'm like, no
, we don't, so we're going to dosome math today.
Bootes (13:42):
Okay.
Sunny (13:43):
Boots has offered to man the calculator, so we have 12
different kinds of people, soput in 12.
Okay, but if we look at thewhole chart, there are more data
points than where your son isOkay.
Okay, lot more.
So let's start with your risingsign.
(14:04):
There are 12 possible risingsigns.
Your rising sign is kind of theway you present yourself.
Okay.
So 12 sun signs and 12 risingsigns math.
Bootes (14:17):
Am I multiplying or adding?
Multiplying Okay, okay, cool.
Sunny (14:21):
Right, wouldn't you?
Bootes (14:22):
Yeah, okay, Okay we're at 144 possibilities for people,
okay, so 144 different kinds ofpeople.
Sunny (14:30):
Now this is a little bit better, but we still have seven,
seven, eight billion people onthe planet and there's 144
different types.
I don't buy it.
Okay, back to the chart.
Now we have the moon sign.
There are 12 possible moonsigns.
The moon is your emotions, it'syour mom sometimes, or how you
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see your mom, and it's highlysignificant in the chart.
So now, how many types ofpeople do we have?
Bootes (15:01):
1,728.
Sunny (15:02):
Okay, still inadequate.
With eight I keep trying to sayseven billion, I am stuck in
2012.
Bootes (15:12):
Like six months ago.
There's six months ago,whatever it was.
Sunny (15:14):
I think it just clicked over, finally Okay so eight
billion people, Not we haven'tdone it yet.
Yeah, Then we have mercury.
Now mercury, we don't have 12possible mercury signs.
Bootes (15:29):
Oh, we don't.
Well, I mean Backspace,backspace.
Sunny (15:33):
We do.
There obviously are, but forevery sun sign you have three
possible mercury signs.
Okay, right, Okay becausemercury is orbiting the sun and
so you're never gonna have acancer sun and an Aquarius
mercury.
It's just not possible.
Mercury is always right thereIn the same sign as the sun, or
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one sign maximum away.
So multiply that whole numbertimes three 5,184.
Okay, still Not there yet.
Bootes (16:08):
I don't think.
Okay, the level of complexity.
Sunny (16:10):
Venus.
Venus has five possible signsfor every sun sign For the same
reason.
It's just that Venus can go alittle farther.
Bootes (16:19):
Okay, 25,920.
Sunny (16:21):
Brilliant.
Then we're talking about Mars.
All 12 Mars signs are availableto us wherever our sun is,
because the sun and Mars aretracking on different tracks,
basically.
Bootes (16:37):
Okay, so we're at 311,040 different types of
people Okay, which isn'taccurate.
I feel like it could be enough,but it's not accurate.
Sunny (16:48):
It's not so.
Let's just do the innards.
We won't even bother with theouter planets okay, okay, okay.
So we have Jupiter, 12 Jupitersigns.
Bootes (16:56):
Times, 12.
And then 12 Saturns and 12Saturn signs.
Okay, we're at 44 million.
Sunny (17:06):
And then, of course, we could add in the Uranus, neptune
, pluto.
We could also add in there area ton more things asteroids,
planetoids, thick stars.
But you get my drift.
This is not if we just stopwith the sun and say, well, I'm
a cancer and so therefore, da,da, da, da da.
(17:29):
That does not describe any ofus.
Bootes (17:32):
This isn't Myers-Briggs.
Sunny (17:36):
Absolutely not.
This is way more complex thanthat.
Yeah, yeah.
Bootes (17:40):
Significantly.
I was talking to a friend, tim,about this the other day and
just how it's kind of.
It's like it's akin to learningto read any other sort of
language, but I think that it,from my experience, the one that
it's closest to is sheet music.
Okay, in that sheet music iskind of more linear, whereas a
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natal chart or a horrid chart,whatever it is, is happening all
at one time.
But the way that it registersin my head is that it's almost
it's making a sound that youcan't understand until you get
what all of the relationshipsbetween all of these placements
are, because beyond just the44,700,000 something thousand
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that we've already gotten to,then you have the different
interactions between them andthe angles they're sitting at,
called the aspects, right.
Sunny (18:37):
Right.
Bootes (18:38):
And you can have two bodies that act.
They interact together entirelydifferently, based on whether
they are four degrees apartversus 30 degrees apart versus
60 versus 120, or three Like.
All of these have totallydifferent effects.
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You're getting a different toneby pointing their rays at each
other from different angles, andso all of that together ends up
kind of coming up with thismeaning, which is what we seek
to learn how to read and how tointerpret and understand.
Sunny (19:16):
Yeah, yeah, I mean.
Essentially what this boilsdown to is you are unique.
There is no one else who hasyour same birth chart, even if
you are a twin.
You might have somebody who'sborn four minutes after you, but
there is still a difference.
(19:37):
And so, to try to distill thatdown into super simplistic stuff
, it's like it just tries togloss over paper, over the fact
that you are unique.
There's no one else like you,and personally I love that, and
(20:01):
I love that so much that Idespise sunsets.
Yes, just because it's like touse your analogy of the sheet
music.
And if you had studied all ofthis sheet music and you knew
how to play your instrument sobeautifully.
And then I came in with a kazooand said, oh, I can do that
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Just fine, it's not it?
You know, there's so manynuances to it, from a symphony
orchestra to a little kazoo, andthey might be carrying the same
tune, but, holy cow, which onewould you rather listen to?
Bootes (20:42):
Right Depends on my mood , but usually I'm going to be
more impressed by one than theother.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Sunny (20:51):
So that's essentially why I mean the placement of the sun
is good for a few things Likethe moon shows your mother, or
how you perceive your mother,the sun shows how you perceive
your father.
Bootes (21:05):
OK.
Ok, and you've kind of made alittle bit of a clarification in
the past that I feel like isgood to bring up now, that it's
not necessarily just a mother ora father.
It's the person who providedmore of a maternal energy to
your upbringing, or the personwho provided more of a paternal
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energy, and I'm sure so that'sanother thing is that your chart
isn't going to say, oh, thisperson has to have had a mom and
a dad, like a cis mom and a cisdad, because that's not
necessarily going to be the case.
In that whole menagerie ofdifferent aspects and different
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behaviors going on, you mightsee that there is a considerable
weight on maternal energy inyour upbringing and little to no
paternal, and that could berecognized by having had two
moms, or only having had one mom, or having had no mom, or
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having had a dad that wasn'taround after a certain age, you
know, or, and yeah, and thelived experience we always.
Sunny (22:20):
This is why I refer to readings as consultations,
because I want there to be aback and forth.
If I say something to you aboutyour father based on what the
son is doing in your chart, andyou're like, oh well, my father
took off when I was seven, orwhatever, that's something I
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want to hear back, because Ilearn even.
I mean, I've been doing thisfor years, but I learn from
every person that I read from.
Read, for you know that Iconsult with because, yeah, you
know what it looks like in thechart and then how it manifests
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in real life are very differentthings sometimes you know, and
so we can talk about that and wecan, you know, we can look for
well, is that, you know, is, canI see that?
Is that in there?
Oh, look, you know that son issquare Mars.
Okay, so there was a disruptionand kind of an explosion and
(23:31):
maybe some impulsive behaviorand you know, dotter, dotter,
dot, yeah, yeah, so yeah, Um, dowe have any more to say about
that?
Bootes (23:43):
I mean.
I mean we can keep on gettinginto the weeds on this one.
So when you've got, I'm justthinking for.
So for my own chart this may ormay not get edited out, but for
my own chart, like I've got, Ifeel like there's a lot going on
with my son.
So I've got the son conjunctthe ascendant.
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I've got son, so it's in firsthouse.
It's also in its fall in Libra,and fall is referring to how
much power the son has to act inmy chart, and so it's
debilitated to a good amount,good extent in that sense.
And then it's making aspect tothe two primary ones off the top
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of my head, other than theconjunction with mercury or
combustion with mercury, is I'vegot square venous and or not
square venous, urinous andNeptune, and so those are two.
Those are two energies that Istill kind of like I look at it
and I I try to absorb as much asI can and think that I've got
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an idea of it, and then a coupleof days later I'm just like
back to I don't get it, I don'tknow what's going on, and I
think that's actuallyappropriate for those two bodies
.
Sunny (25:03):
Anytime I see Neptune in aspect to a planet, it says to
me that when it comes to thetopics that that planet is
involved in, so dad, also ego,our sense of self, not
necessarily in a unhealthy oh,I'm just the best and you all
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are terrible kind of sense, butjust you know who you feel, like
you are internally.
When we have Neptune inconversation with that, it's
often like a sense of confusion,like not being able to see
clearly Neptune.
If we think back about that,it's Neptune is the God of the
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ocean, right?
And if we were to put somethingin a few inches of ocean water
and step back and then say, okay, grab that, okay, just reach in
and get it, very often you'regonna go in sideways, wonky, you
can't get it the first timebecause we can't see underwater
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clearly, it would wear.
I mean, if you're swimming,that's another thing.
But from the perspective ofbeing outside of the water and
then trying to interact withsomething that is in the water
Neptune it's like where is it?
What is it?
Bootes (26:25):
So that explains my delusional ego.
Maybe you don't have to commentanymore.
Sunny (26:33):
Okay, okay, I'm done, but yeah, but it's, you know,
that's a very common.
There can also be an element ofconfusion on purpose.
So this would be somebody whoand this, I am not talking about
your chart, I'm not but or isshe?
Or am I, but it could be someonewho deliberately tells an
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untruth to confuse the otherpeople, so they lie essentially
okay.
So, neptune, that can be thatYou're confused because someone
is deliberately trying toconfuse you, or it can.
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The high vibe of Neptune wealways, I always like to try to
hit both.
There's high vibe and low vibeof everything.
High vibe of Neptune isidealism, it's these fantasies,
it's like I know, let's rent aboat and we'll sail to the
Caribbean.
You know, do you know how tosail?
No but who cares?
(27:35):
You know it'll be great.
I mean, you know so it's thosekinds of they're not even really
grounded in reality.
Again, confusion, right.
Bootes (27:47):
It's like I don't know, the wind pushes you.
You don't have to do anything.
Sunny (27:50):
Yeah, so it's all of those.
And you know, in some cases wewould look at that and I would
talk about what Neptune's doingor what Neptune embodies, and
you would go oh, I totally knowwhat that is, my dad did this
and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and you know, and sometimes
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it's just, yeah, I just don'treally see my dad very clearly.
I think I have a grasp on whathe was about.
But then later on I find outsomething and it's like oh, I
was totally wrong.
I'm you know.
I have to go back to square oneand figure that out, because I
don't know.
Bootes (28:30):
Okay, yeah.
What other kinds of aspects tothe sun have you seen that
really stood out to you?
Sunny (28:43):
The biggest one that I look at and love to play with is
the moon opposing the sun.
That's a full moon, right?
Bootes (28:52):
Yeah.
Sunny (28:53):
And there's within astrology, there's many schools
of thought, there's manytheories and ideas, but some
astrologers heavily use moonphases.
So you know they look at a newmoon and then you know the
crescent moon, and so on and soforth all the way around, and
the full moon, which is moonopposite sun, is like there's a
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little element of Ta-da In thosepeople Okay yeah.
Not necessarily the Leo Ta-da,unless one of those happens to
be in Leo.
Bootes (29:29):
Right.
Sunny (29:31):
But they could be Virgo and Pisces Okay but, there's
still a little element of here.
I am Okay, you know yeah.
Bootes (29:40):
I've read a little bit about that and how it's kind of
the way, how complete you feel.
And if you're in a positionwhere you're, at you, feel
emotionally fully complete, then, yeah, those people do kind of
tend to stick their landings.
You know, they're just likejazz hands and like, don't mind,
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look at me, like I'm here tolight everything up, you know,
yeah, yeah.
And then if you're in aposition where you've been born
like under a new moon, then thatmeans that you still have all
of your light to gain and soyour kind of I don't know an
underlying theme you might sayin your life and how you feel
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over the course of your life isthat you aren't full enough,
that you aren't complete enough,you're not shining as brightly
as you could be.
And I haven't met enough peoplewith one or the other Like I
know what my moon phase was andmy partner's moon phase is
almost the same as mine, and solike-.
What is your moon phase.
(30:44):
I'm at over three quarters.
Okay, waxing or waning Waxingthree quarters waxing.
Sunny (30:51):
Oh my God, me too.
Wow, ah, dusty, dusty, ah, ahAh.
Bootes (30:58):
Ah, you've got a couple of aspects that we share.
Yeah, we do, and that'ssomething that you know.
Just to go off on a totallydifferent rabbit trail, the you
find, when you're familiar withyour own chart, you end up
finding other people who, whenthey're familiar with theirs, as
you're talking about it, yourealize like, oh, we have things
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in common.
That explains why we you know,it at least correlates to why we
get along and why we wereattracted to this relationship
in the first place.
And then there's it's reallyinteresting also to look at
charts of people who don't getalong, and you know, see like oh
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yeah.
Yeah, they've got, like you know, their moon completely square.
Another like highly personalaspect, like maybe a square
opposed to another person'sascendant, and so it's like one
person's emotions and oneperson's just personality
totally do not get along, andyou can see that reflected in a
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chart pretty clearly.
Sunny (32:04):
Yeah, I mean I was.
Can I interrupt, go ahead,because I have one.
I was looking at mygrandparents' birth charts,
which I didn't have a date formy grandfather until recently,
and a friend was doing a littlegenealogy search and so I don't
have houses, but I have datesanyway.
(32:24):
And so my grandparents arefamous, notorious, for you know
they were.
They were super in love andthen they were super in hate.
I mean it was, you know,throwing things.
And you know just the classic,you know, the Elizabeth Taylor
did a movie, cat on a Hot TinRoof, I think it was, and it was
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just terrible fights, justhorrible.
And that's my grandparents aswell, and they did not stay
together and they it's a goodthing for everyone that they did
not, but they both have hisMars is square, her Venus, her
Mars is square, his Venus, wow.
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And if you look up, you knowevery, every descriptor of oh,
what is this aspect?
It's like oh, intense, intenseattraction.
But if you're gonna, if you'regonna keep this going for the
long run, you're gonna have towork some things out and You're
gonna have to apply some waterto that situation.
(33:32):
Yeah, yeah, so I mean stufflike that.
Yes, it shows up.
And so.
But what's happening right nowin the sky is that this is a
Scorpio rising chart and,honestly, in the past because I
have a thing about Scorpio in myown chart I would have been
like, ooh, I don't know, I don't, I don't like that, but it's
about delving in to secrets,it's about uncovering.
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Scorpio is very much aboutuncovering the secret, you know,
and so that's that is very muchwhat we're trying to do here
today.
Bootes (00:33):
So, and always, so Scorpio falling in the winter,
that tells us a little bit aboutits elemental and modal
personality, right?
So it's cold, right.
Sunny (00:47):
Right, well, it's not quite winter, it's like late
October.
Bootes (00:51):
Okay.
Sunny (00:53):
But Scorpio is a water sign, okay, and it's also a
fixed sign, and so fixed water.
What does that make you thinkof?
Bootes (01:03):
Well, when I first started looking into astrology I
found that the term's fixedcardinal and um, the other one,
mutable.
See, yeah, they have noconnection to anything.
In my vocabulary that kind ofmakes sense for what they
(01:24):
actually mean.
Like mutable, I was like so youcan turn it off.
Sunny (01:28):
Marvelous.
Let's talk about that becausethat's, that's awesome.
Um, so, cardinal is placed atthe beginning of a season.
Okay, aries is a cardinal sign.
Cancer at the beginning ofsummer, um, libra at the
beginning of autumn andCapricorn at the beginning of
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winter.
Okay, and the reason they'replaced this way is because
cardinal signs have aninitiatory energy.
They start things up, okay,they're.
You know, somebody with a lotof cardinal energy is an idea
person.
They're like coming up with allthese schemes.
(02:10):
They don't necessarily followthrough, so you know, but they,
but they're great at dreaming upand going.
I know what we need to do.
We need a thing, okay.
Bootes (02:25):
Right.
Sunny (02:25):
And I'm talking with my hands tremendously, but so, and
then the next sign in the orderin the seasons is a fixed sign.
So in the spring, that's Taurus.
In the summer that's Leo, okay,in August, late July, early
August, which we're gettingready to come into and, um, fall
(02:46):
is, oh, why can't I do thisright now?
I have to look at a chart Fallis Scorpio, and, and then winter
is Aquarius, okay, and theseare all fixed.
The fixed energy is like okay,I got your, I got your vision, I
grasp it, I'm going toimplement that, I'm going to
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bring that into manifestation.
Ok, let's go Now.
Remember, too, we all have allof these energies in our chart,
we're all capable of doing allof these things.
But sometimes people have a lotof energy in one type it's
called a modality in onemodality or another, and that
just gives them a little moregenius in one particular aspect
(03:32):
of this three-part conversation.
The third part is the mutablesigns.
Ok, and so, and you can alwaysthink of the mutable signs as
it's like we're coming to theend of a season and so, like one
day we'll feel really, let'ssay, spring.
We're talking about spring,first Gemini, right In June,
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some days, and late May.
Some days we'll feel reallysummer-like, really hot, oh man,
and then other days it's likereally cool and rainy and windy.
You know it's that energy isone, energy is moving out, the
other one is moving in.
Bootes (04:14):
OK.
Sunny (04:15):
How this shows up in a person, in behavior, is that
mutable signs are reallyexcellent at saying look at this
thing that you made.
I'm noticing that this littlepart, this, doesn't work very
well.
What if we tweaked that andchanged it and tried to make it
more functional or whatever, orpretty or whatever the purpose
(04:39):
is?
Bootes (04:39):
Yeah.
Sunny (04:40):
OK, so they are great at taking something, and then they
it's not exactly picking itapart, but it's looking at
things as the sum of their parts.
Is that the right way of youknow, or it's really about
looking at the parts?
Bootes (04:55):
So it's looking at the trees instead of the forest, but
deliberately Very good yeahyeah, yeah, exactly so.
Sunny (05:01):
And then we go back into cardinal energy in the calendar,
you know, and that's how thatworks.
Those modalities work, ok, ok.
So somebody with a lot ofcardinal energy is going to be,
you know, zooming aroundcreating Fixed energy.
They love when somebody elsehas come up with something.
They don't really, they don'treally want to come up with it
(05:23):
themselves.
Ok, Right they but they, butthey're great at.
You know it's like, it's liketaking marching orders and, like
you know, I know what to do.
Bootes (05:32):
OK, they can implement, right OK.
Sunny (05:34):
And then mutable is yeah, let's, let's, let's improve
that, let's see if we can makethat even better.
Bootes (05:41):
OK, ok, what so we've got the fixed water sign as our.
Send it at the moment.
Yeah, yeah, and so that's withthe energy of water being
applied to the mutable energy ofkeeping or fixed energy, Fixed
energy.
Of keeping something going or ofmodifying and improving and
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being part of the longer termprocess of whatever the subject
is.
So how does water fit into that?
We kind of a basicunderstanding that I have of
water is that it's very,everybody always says, emotional
.
Is what they point to as waterRight?
(06:26):
Water is the most flexible,well, actually, maybe the second
most flexible of the elements,next to air.
Ok, yes, yes, and it is.
It drops, it sinks, whereas airtends to stay up in the sky.
So how does that kind of playin and mix with the fixed energy
(06:49):
in order to make Scorpio whatit is?
Sunny (06:55):
Love it, love it.
Good question.
So in astrology we talk a lotin, we talk in symbols, almost
exclusively Symbols andmetaphors.
Ok, and when you talk aboutwater, very much emotional, very
, very along those lines.
And so in Pisces, for example,we think of an ocean.
(07:19):
Ok, in for cancer.
Those are the three water signscancer, scorpio, pisces.
In cancer, we think of like alake OK, in Scorpio, and this
sounds terrible but it works.
We think of a sewer OK, I meanit's water flowing, but it has a
(07:45):
fixed path.
It is not.
I mean a lake can overflow andflood the fields.
The ocean has tides and waves,it's constantly moving.
Bootes (07:56):
OK.
Sunny (07:57):
But a fixed water, other than freezing it, how do you
make water stay in one place?
You design a channel for it.
Bootes (08:08):
OK.
Sunny (08:08):
You design a route and so , scorpio, the energy is
emotional, but it's like I'm notreally, like you know, looking
to spread this out.
We're just going, we're just,we're on this path.
Bootes (08:24):
Okay.
So it's kind of directed withits emotions.
Love it, yeah, and um.
Yeah, maybe before I know.
You know plumbing has beenaround a long time, but maybe
before plumbing, when theseconcepts were um being used, you
know, in early antiquity andsuch um do you think maybe like
(08:46):
a river or a stream would havebeen more where fixed water
would fall into right beforethey can.
Sunny (08:52):
But I mean honestly, aqueducts came in pretty early
in the scenario, yeah, and justuh like digging trenches to
water your crops.
Bootes (09:01):
It's one of our earliest behaviors when we're like I'm
sick of tracing them across theprairie.
I want to just keep them inlike a fence.
I'm going to cut down sometrees and put them up, and then
I want some you know grass podsto eat too, and so I'm going to
bring the water over here justthrough the dirt, make my own
little river, yeah.
Sunny (09:19):
Yeah, yeah.
So in that sense, and you know,yes, in antiquity obviously we
didn't have those.
You know, sewer pipes that arefour feet across, you know.
But but the, the, the conceptis, is still the same it's water
that has a path.
Okay, you know got you.
Bootes (09:39):
So, yeah, cool.
So that's what we are, um, in auh position where you are
applying this to an event, inthis case, us recording here and
making the podcast, right.
So it's a fixed energy ofinternal.
It's not always just emotions,right?
Water is not always justemotions but it's like the
(10:01):
internal.
Exploring Right, right, and sowe're directing it in what we're
doing here and trying to get tothe bottom of things and be, uh
, you know, on course of wherewe're going.
Not that we're super, on coursewe're a little bit you know
just like hey, what's things wecan talk about, and uh running
with it.
And that's the feel that wewant to go with for this Um, but
(10:26):
we are fixed in the energy ofwanting to talk about astrology
and how other things channelinto that Right, right, love it,
love it.
Sunny (10:35):
Very good, nice hook.
Okay, um yeah.
And the the thing that we satdown and decided we wanted to
talk about today was sun signs,yeah.
Bootes (10:47):
Yeah, everybody loves sun signs.
Everybody loves sun signs,except sun signs.
I want to go.
Sunny (10:51):
I am.
I am not a fan.
Honestly.
Um, it's not that sun signsthemselves are bad, you know.
It's that it's made sosimplistic, and I get why.
You know the reason.
The reason why is because ourcalendar is based on the
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movement of the sun.
It is 365 days long, becausethat's how long it takes the
earth to go around the sun, or,in astrology, for the sun to go
around the zodiac.
Bootes (11:25):
Yes, okay, as as it was in tradition.
Sunny (11:30):
As the ancients.
Bootes (11:31):
The way it's always been .
Sunny (11:32):
Now, with this new fangled science, yeah, so you
know, and, and so it's very easy, you do not have to even, you
don't have to even open a bookor a computer program or
anything to generally know whereyour son is.
Okay, right, if you were bornin July, your son is in.
(11:55):
You know it's early July, yourson is in cancer.
End of discussion.
And now we get to talk oh,cancer, that means you're like
this and that means you're likethat.
Okay, and so, basically, sunsign astrology would have us act
and think as though there are12 different kinds of people
(12:17):
Libra, cancer, pisces, boom,that's all we need to know.
Okay, but it's not, and this isthis is my, this is my issue
with it.
Okay, even though every timethat you know, you read the
description about what a, aLibra son is, what a cancer son
is, what a Pisces son is, it's,there's a lot of words, and so
(12:40):
you can kind of pick and chooseand go.
Well, I'm kind of like that,I'm kind of like that, I'm not
really like that, so I'm notgoing to use that word.
Okay, but essentially, thereare 12 descriptors for all.
What is it?
7 billion, 8 billion?
Bootes (12:56):
8 billion, over 8 billion, okay.
Sunny (12:58):
So, so all 8 billion could be described by one of
these 12 descriptors, each withlike a paragraph or two.
Yeah, that defies logic.
Bootes (13:11):
Okay, and that's why people, I think, so easily say
like, well, obviously, that's,you know horseshit.
My mom is whatever.
My mom's a Leo and she hatesattacks.
She's very quiet.
Yeah, yeah, you know, and thatwould never be in any simple
description of a Leo ever,absolutely, absolutely Right.
Sunny (13:31):
So what we have there is okay.
Okay, we have 12 differentkinds of people and I'm like, no
, we don't, so we're going to dosome math today.
Bootes (13:42):
Okay.
Sunny (13:43):
Boots has offered to man the calculator, so we have 12
different kinds of people, soput in 12.
Okay, but if we look at thewhole chart, there are more data
points than where your son isOkay.
Okay, lot more.
So let's start with your risingsign.
(14:04):
There are 12 possible risingsigns.
Your rising sign is kind of theway you present yourself.
Okay.
So 12 sun signs and 12 risingsigns math.
Bootes (14:17):
Am I multiplying or adding?
Multiplying Okay, okay, cool.
Sunny (14:21):
Right, wouldn't you?
Bootes (14:22):
Yeah, okay, Okay we're at 144 possibilities for people,
okay, so 144 different kinds ofpeople.
Sunny (14:30):
Now this is a little bit better, but we still have seven,
seven, eight billion people onthe planet and there's 144
different types.
I don't buy it.
Okay, back to the chart.
Now we have the moon sign.
There are 12 possible moonsigns.
The moon is your emotions, it'syour mom sometimes, or how you
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see your mom, and it's highlysignificant in the chart.
So now, how many types ofpeople do we have?
Bootes (15:01):
1,728.
Sunny (15:02):
Okay, still inadequate.
With eight I keep trying to sayseven billion, I am stuck in
2012.
Bootes (15:12):
Like six months ago.
There's six months ago,whatever it was.
Sunny (15:14):
I think it just clicked over, finally Okay so eight
billion people, Not we haven'tdone it yet.
Yeah, Then we have mercury.
Now mercury, we don't have 12possible mercury signs.
Bootes (15:29):
Oh, we don't.
Well, I mean Backspace,backspace.
Sunny (15:33):
We do.
There obviously are, but forevery sun sign you have three
possible mercury signs.
Okay, right, Okay becausemercury is orbiting the sun and
so you're never gonna have acancer sun and an Aquarius
mercury.
It's just not possible.
Mercury is always right thereIn the same sign as the sun, or
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one sign maximum away.
So multiply that whole numbertimes three 5,184.
Okay, still Not there yet.
Bootes (16:08):
I don't think.
Okay, the level of complexity.
Sunny (16:10):
Venus.
Venus has five possible signsfor every sun sign For the same
reason.
It's just that Venus can go alittle farther.
Bootes (16:19):
Okay, 25,920.
Sunny (16:21):
Brilliant.
Then we're talking about Mars.
All 12 Mars signs are availableto us wherever our sun is,
because the sun and Mars aretracking on different tracks,
basically.
Bootes (16:37):
Okay, so we're at 311,040 different types of
people Okay, which isn'taccurate.
I feel like it could be enough,but it's not accurate.
Sunny (16:48):
It's not so.
Let's just do the innards.
We won't even bother with theouter planets okay, okay, okay.
So we have Jupiter, 12 Jupitersigns.
Bootes (16:56):
Times, 12.
And then 12 Saturns and 12Saturn signs.
Okay, we're at 44 million.
Sunny (17:06):
And then, of course, we could add in the Uranus, neptune
, pluto.
We could also add in there area ton more things asteroids,
planetoids, thick stars.
But you get my drift.
This is not if we just stopwith the sun and say, well, I'm
a cancer and so therefore, da,da, da, da da.
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That does not describe any ofus.
Bootes (17:32):
This isn't Myers-Briggs.
Sunny (17:36):
Absolutely not.
This is way more complex thanthat.
Yeah, yeah.
Bootes (17:40):
Significantly.
I was talking to a friend, tim,about this the other day and
just how it's kind of.
It's like it's akin to learningto read any other sort of
language, but I think that it,from my experience, the one that
it's closest to is sheet music.
Okay, in that sheet music iskind of more linear, whereas a
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natal chart or a horrid chart,whatever it is, is happening all
at one time.
But the way that it registersin my head is that it's almost
it's making a sound that youcan't understand until you get
what all of the relationshipsbetween all of these placements
are, because beyond just the44,700,000 something thousand
(18:30):
that we've already gotten to,then you have the different
interactions between them andthe angles they're sitting at,
called the aspects, right.
Sunny (18:37):
Right.
Bootes (18:38):
And you can have two bodies that act.
They interact together entirelydifferently, based on whether
they are four degrees apartversus 30 degrees apart versus
60 versus 120, or three Like.
All of these have totallydifferent effects.
(18:58):
You're getting a different toneby pointing their rays at each
other from different angles, andso all of that together ends up
kind of coming up with thismeaning, which is what we seek
to learn how to read and how tointerpret and understand.
Sunny (19:16):
Yeah, yeah, I mean.
Essentially what this boilsdown to is you are unique.
There is no one else who hasyour same birth chart, even if
you are a twin.
You might have somebody who'sborn four minutes after you, but
there is still a difference.
(19:37):
And so, to try to distill thatdown into super simplistic stuff
, it's like it just tries togloss over paper, over the fact
that you are unique.
There's no one else like you,and personally I love that, and
(20:01):
I love that so much that Idespise sunsets.
Yes, just because it's like touse your analogy of the sheet
music.
And if you had studied all ofthis sheet music and you knew
how to play your instrument sobeautifully.
And then I came in with a kazooand said, oh, I can do that
(20:24):
Just fine, it's not it?
You know, there's so manynuances to it, from a symphony
orchestra to a little kazoo, andthey might be carrying the same
tune, but, holy cow, which onewould you rather listen to?
Bootes (20:42):
Right Depends on my mood , but usually I'm going to be
more impressed by one than theother.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Sunny (20:51):
So that's essentially why I mean the placement of the sun
is good for a few things Likethe moon shows your mother, or
how you perceive your mother,the sun shows how you perceive
your father.
Bootes (21:05):
OK.
Ok, and you've kind of made alittle bit of a clarification in
the past that I feel like isgood to bring up now, that it's
not necessarily just a mother ora father.
It's the person who providedmore of a maternal energy to
your upbringing, or the personwho provided more of a paternal
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energy, and I'm sure so that'sanother thing is that your chart
isn't going to say, oh, thisperson has to have had a mom and
a dad, like a cis mom and a cisdad, because that's not
necessarily going to be the case.
In that whole menagerie ofdifferent aspects and different
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behaviors going on, you mightsee that there is a considerable
weight on maternal energy inyour upbringing and little to no
paternal, and that could berecognized by having had two
moms, or only having had one mom, or having had no mom, or
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having had a dad that wasn'taround after a certain age, you
know, or, and yeah, and thelived experience we always.
Sunny (22:20):
This is why I refer to readings as consultations,
because I want there to be aback and forth.
If I say something to you aboutyour father based on what the
son is doing in your chart, andyou're like, oh well, my father
took off when I was seven, orwhatever, that's something I
(22:48):
want to hear back, because Ilearn even.
I mean, I've been doing thisfor years, but I learn from
every person that I read from.
Read, for you know that Iconsult with because, yeah, you
know what it looks like in thechart and then how it manifests
(23:08):
in real life are very differentthings sometimes you know, and
so we can talk about that and wecan, you know, we can look for
well, is that, you know, is, canI see that?
Is that in there?
Oh, look, you know that son issquare Mars.
Okay, so there was a disruptionand kind of an explosion and
(23:31):
maybe some impulsive behaviorand you know, dotter, dotter,
dot, yeah, yeah, so yeah, Um, dowe have any more to say about
that?
Bootes (23:43):
I mean.
I mean we can keep on gettinginto the weeds on this one.
So when you've got, I'm justthinking for.
So for my own chart this may ormay not get edited out, but for
my own chart, like I've got, Ifeel like there's a lot going on
with my son.
So I've got the son conjunctthe ascendant.
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I've got son, so it's in firsthouse.
It's also in its fall in Libra,and fall is referring to how
much power the son has to act inmy chart, and so it's
debilitated to a good amount,good extent in that sense.
And then it's making aspect tothe two primary ones off the top
(24:30):
of my head, other than theconjunction with mercury or
combustion with mercury, is I'vegot square venous and or not
square venous, urinous andNeptune, and so those are two.
Those are two energies that Istill kind of like I look at it
and I I try to absorb as much asI can and think that I've got
(24:55):
an idea of it, and then a coupleof days later I'm just like
back to I don't get it, I don'tknow what's going on, and I
think that's actuallyappropriate for those two bodies
.
Sunny (25:03):
Anytime I see Neptune in aspect to a planet, it says to
me that when it comes to thetopics that that planet is
involved in, so dad, also ego,our sense of self, not
necessarily in a unhealthy oh,I'm just the best and you all
(25:25):
are terrible kind of sense, butjust you know who you feel, like
you are internally.
When we have Neptune inconversation with that, it's
often like a sense of confusion,like not being able to see
clearly Neptune.
If we think back about that,it's Neptune is the God of the
(25:46):
ocean, right?
And if we were to put somethingin a few inches of ocean water
and step back and then say, okay, grab that, okay, just reach in
and get it, very often you'regonna go in sideways, wonky, you
can't get it the first timebecause we can't see underwater
(26:08):
clearly, it would wear.
I mean, if you're swimming,that's another thing.
But from the perspective ofbeing outside of the water and
then trying to interact withsomething that is in the water
Neptune it's like where is it?
What is it?
Bootes (26:25):
So that explains my delusional ego.
Maybe you don't have to commentanymore.
Sunny (26:33):
Okay, okay, I'm done, but yeah, but it's, you know,
that's a very common.
There can also be an element ofconfusion on purpose.
So this would be somebody whoand this, I am not talking about
your chart, I'm not but or isshe?
Or am I, but it could be someonewho deliberately tells an
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untruth to confuse the otherpeople, so they lie essentially
okay.
So, neptune, that can be thatYou're confused because someone
is deliberately trying toconfuse you, or it can.
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The high vibe of Neptune wealways, I always like to try to
hit both.
There's high vibe and low vibeof everything.
High vibe of Neptune isidealism, it's these fantasies,
it's like I know, let's rent aboat and we'll sail to the
Caribbean.
You know, do you know how tosail?
No but who cares?
(27:35):
You know it'll be great.
I mean, you know so it's thosekinds of they're not even really
grounded in reality.
Again, confusion, right.
Bootes (27:47):
It's like I don't know, the wind pushes you.
You don't have to do anything.
Sunny (27:50):
Yeah, so it's all of those.
And you know, in some cases wewould look at that and I would
talk about what Neptune's doingor what Neptune embodies, and
you would go oh, I totally knowwhat that is, my dad did this
and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and you know, and sometimes
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it's just, yeah, I just don'treally see my dad very clearly.
I think I have a grasp on whathe was about.
But then later on I find outsomething and it's like oh, I
was totally wrong.
I'm you know.
I have to go back to square oneand figure that out, because I
don't know.
Bootes (28:30):
Okay, yeah.
What other kinds of aspects tothe sun have you seen that
really stood out to you?
Sunny (28:43):
The biggest one that I look at and love to play with is
the moon opposing the sun.
That's a full moon, right?
Bootes (28:52):
Yeah.
Sunny (28:53):
And there's within astrology, there's many schools
of thought, there's manytheories and ideas, but some
astrologers heavily use moonphases.
So you know they look at a newmoon and then you know the
crescent moon, and so on and soforth all the way around, and
the full moon, which is moonopposite sun, is like there's a
(29:19):
little element of Ta-da In thosepeople Okay yeah.
Not necessarily the Leo Ta-da,unless one of those happens to
be in Leo.
Bootes (29:29):
Right.
Sunny (29:31):
But they could be Virgo and Pisces Okay but, there's
still a little element of here.
I am Okay, you know yeah.
Bootes (29:40):
I've read a little bit about that and how it's kind of
the way, how complete you feel.
And if you're in a positionwhere you're, at you, feel
emotionally fully complete, then, yeah, those people do kind of
tend to stick their landings.
You know, they're just likejazz hands and like, don't mind,
(30:03):
look at me, like I'm here tolight everything up, you know,
yeah, yeah.
And then if you're in aposition where you've been born
like under a new moon, then thatmeans that you still have all
of your light to gain and soyour kind of I don't know an
underlying theme you might sayin your life and how you feel
(30:24):
over the course of your life isthat you aren't full enough,
that you aren't complete enough,you're not shining as brightly
as you could be.
And I haven't met enough peoplewith one or the other Like I
know what my moon phase was andmy partner's moon phase is
almost the same as mine, and solike-.
What is your moon phase.
(30:44):
I'm at over three quarters.
Okay, waxing or waning Waxingthree quarters waxing.
Sunny (30:51):
Oh my God, me too.
Wow, ah, dusty, dusty, ah, ahAh.
Bootes (30:58):
Ah, you've got a couple of aspects that we share.
Yeah, we do, and that'ssomething that you know.
Just to go off on a totallydifferent rabbit trail, the you
find, when you're familiar withyour own chart, you end up
finding other people who, whenthey're familiar with theirs, as
you're talking about it, yourealize like, oh, we have things
(31:20):
in common.
That explains why we you know,it at least correlates to why we
get along and why we wereattracted to this relationship
in the first place.
And then there's it's reallyinteresting also to look at
charts of people who don't getalong, and you know, see like oh
(31:42):
yeah.
Yeah, they've got, like you know, their moon completely square.
Another like highly personalaspect, like maybe a square
opposed to another person'sascendant, and so it's like one
person's emotions and oneperson's just personality
totally do not get along, andyou can see that reflected in a
(32:03):
chart pretty clearly.
Sunny (32:04):
Yeah, I mean I was.
Can I interrupt, go ahead,because I have one.
I was looking at mygrandparents' birth charts,
which I didn't have a date formy grandfather until recently,
and a friend was doing a littlegenealogy search and so I don't
have houses, but I have datesanyway.
(32:24):
And so my grandparents arefamous, notorious, for you know
they were.
They were super in love andthen they were super in hate.
I mean it was, you know,throwing things.
And you know just the classic,you know, the Elizabeth Taylor
did a movie, cat on a Hot TinRoof, I think it was, and it was
(32:47):
just terrible fights, justhorrible.
And that's my grandparents aswell, and they did not stay
together and they it's a goodthing for everyone that they did
not, but they both have hisMars is square, her Venus, her
Mars is square, his Venus, wow.
(33:11):
And if you look up, you knowevery, every descriptor of oh,
what is this aspect?
It's like oh, intense, intenseattraction.
But if you're gonna, if you'regonna keep this going for the
long run, you're gonna have towork some things out and You're
gonna have to apply some waterto that situation.
(33:32):
Yeah, yeah, so I mean stufflike that.
Yes, it shows up.
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