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Yeah, to know me is to know thatI love the Enneagram and that is
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So we are talking about personalities in athletic
training specifically. We're going to use the
Enneagram. I love the Enneagram.

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That is very obvious. I have always been into
personality test, but the thing that stuck out to me about the
Enneagram is that it really shows you what motivates you
rather than all the other personality tests that kind of
show more like of an outward personality.
When people think of it, they think of like a Myers Briggs

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type indicator or like an MTBMMTBI, MB, TI Myers Briggs.
That's actually the widest use personality test and that
highlights a lot of strengths tofocus on, whereas the Enneagram
highlights some growth points. Oh, that's interesting.
And really what brings you to make the decisions that you

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make. So my favorite example when I'm
explaining this is everyone can bring cookies to a party.
That's like, it doesn't matter what personality type you are.
But the reason why you bring cookies to a party is we're
going to go over in the Enneagram.
Oh. That's very interesting.
So what exactly is the Enneagram?

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So the enneagram is actually a Greek term.
It refers to a symbol that has 9points and it's a really old
system of like personality and growth.
The reason why it has like this symbol is because each person
has a dominant type along the nine points, but they all

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connect to one another because we all access points of all of
the different personality types,but we have one type that is a
little bit more dominant in yourstrengths and motivation.
Oh, that's really interesting. That's really cool.
So this is actually something that I use with all of my

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students and every single time Ihave a new master student come
in with me, I give them so much information about their
enneagram, about my enneagram, and then how we can best work
together, what kind of feedback we need, work relationships, how
to like solve conflict and stufflike that.

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I am going to do an episode on that later.
OK, cool. So stay tuned for that.
But this because there's so muchinformation that you need to
know like first this will kind of be like an overview episode
of each type so you can kind of get a better understanding and
how it relates to athletic training specifically.

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So this episode won't go into like relationships and
communication styles and like stuff like that, but we will get
that in a future episode. So what I'm hearing is this is
the anatomy episode of the enneagram.
It is the anatomy, it's the basic foundation.
Honestly, if you really want to get into the enneagram, there's

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like so much you can like nerd out about.
There's like wings, there's subtypes, there's Tri types,
there's like so many different combinations.
So it's not like there's only nine types of people in this
world. Like I know so many different
people who are the same type, but like they are completely
different people. They just see the world in a

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similar manner, but their personalities are completely.
Different. I also think it's interesting to
this like like as we go through kind of like the different types
and stuff, it's like it really kind of explains how people kind
of behave or kind of how they act in like different phases of
their life, whether they're likethey're really stressed or

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whether they're really thriving.I think that helps a lot because
I, I feel like you don't get that with like other like
personality tests necessarily, Ifeel like.
Also something that specificallyfor athletic trainers with such
a high burnout rate, it is so good to be able to acknowledge
and recognize what you tend to look like in your burnout stage

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or like on your way to burnout or like in stress.
And so you can start to mitigatethose before they turn into a
full blown like burnout. Yeah, for sure.
There's, there's also like so much you can delve into, like
how everyone tends to favor a strategy for processing
information, whether it's like like heart, through your heart,

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like emotional through your headmentally or through your body,
like instinctive. So we're not going to go over
those, but like if you want to get into this, like there's so
much that you can like. Dive into.
Dive Exactly. I will say that one argument
that I do hear probably the mostoften of people who don't like

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the Enneagram is they say that it puts you into a box.
I feel like, and I kind of already said this, like I feel
like it's the opposite because it kind of shows you the box
that you're already in and it gives you concrete ideas to
really look out for and begin that growth.
For sure. So we already kind of like brush

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the surface of just kind of why this might be important to kind
of like know yourself, but like overall, why is it that
important that we know ourselves, but also to know how
other people are? Not only knowing yourself can
like obviously that's going to help you with growth, but when

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you know other people and know kind of how they're seeing a
situation, you can understand their perspective a lot better
and you can be more open to whatthey're bringing to the table.
And I, I know I've said this before in other episodes, but
I'm going to say it again fresh for this episode.

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But when you're in conflict, everyone thinks that they are
right. That's so true.
There's a reason why there's a conflict, like people are not
going to fight for something that they are not passionate
about, for sure. So if you're able to see that
other perspective, and ideally if they're able to see your
perspective or if you're able toknow yourself well enough that

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you can portray that perspectivewell, then you guys will be able
to solve that conflict a lot better.
For sure. I feel like this is going back
to what we've kind of said in past episodes is just
communication. And I think this is one way to
kind of help you understand how to communicate with somebody
absolutely or what might be the preferred way for them.

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Yeah. And even like, I know my type
really well. So I can also recognize like
faulty patterns are like where I'm getting stuck on one side of
an argument or a disagreement, even when I'm like being
stubborn. And I'm like, I know this is
because this is how I see things.
And like other people don't see it that way, but it kind of

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gives me that like perspective even of myself.
So I feel like we've we've kind of touched on like the Enneagram
being an element of growth. So does that mean like you
change your Enneagram type or like what happened?

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Like what do you mean by growth with the Enneagram?
Oh that's a a really good question.
So there's a theory that you don't change your enneagram over
the course of your life, but as you grow, you can access
different characteristics of other types.
And this provides you with like a different like as, as some of

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the articles put it, like a new and conscious way of like
perceiving and moving throughoutthe world.
So I know really fancy. I was just saying that sounds
very philosophical. Philosophical way to say growth,
just like a different way, a more perspective.
I think just to that's a good word.
Just to sink it down. New perspective.

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Yeah. Allowing yourself to see your
perspective better, better, and other people's perspectives
better just opens you up for a lot more understanding.
So I I know we talked about likethe nine points.
So I'm assuming we're talking about nine types.
What are the actual enneagram types?

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OK, so I'm going to go over a brief overview and I mean like
brief, you could, I could talk for hours about this and I do
with my students, but. We do at home.
We do at home. Randy and I use this a lot.
It it has kept us like pretty conflict free too, which is
great. Or even like when we do have

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like hard conversations, like wesee where each other are coming
from and see where that perspective lies.
But again, this is like we only have a certain amount of time
and you guys don't necessarily want to sit here for five hours
or 9 hours. So just to do like a brief

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overview in relation to athletictrainers, the nine types, I'm
just going to go over just theirheadings real quick.
So like they each have like quote UN quote names and every,
everywhere that you look is going to give a different name
for each type, but the numbers will always be the same.
So I want you to listen along and try to see if there's

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anything that really you identify with.
And remember, you can identify with multiple types, but there's
one type that's most dominant, and that's where you're going to
see most of your perspectives. Come from.
Got it. And then we'll tell you our
types as well. For sure.

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So type 1 is a reformer, A moralizer, or a perfectionist.
These types are high standards, rule makers, rule followers, and
highly detail oriented. Each type has a core drive and a
core fear, and this is really where that decision making is

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centered from. So a core drive and of an
Enneagram 1 is to be good, ethical and right.
The core fear, on the other hand, is to be wrong or to be a
bad person. So the way I categorized all
these is I put together, you know how I said originally like
this idea of like everyone can bring cookies to a party?

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Yeah, I've kind of adapted that with a little bit of help of how
everyone helps an injured athlete, because obviously every
athletic trainer is going to help an injured athlete.
That's that's I like I like the bridge to like the actual like
AT. Right.
But each athletic trainer, each type, enigram type is going to

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have a different motivation. Interesting, so an enneagram 1
is going to help an injured athlete because it's their duty
to do the right thing. Follow protocol and ensure the
athlete gets proper care so you can tell they're motivated by
integrity, responsibility, and doing things correctly.
Slashed by the book. Interesting.
OK. These type ones are the

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responsible ATS. They're going to make sure the
EAP policies procedures are flawless.
Flawless practice ethically default to doing things by the
book and expect excellence of themselves and others.
As you listen to you can see some parallels between some

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numbers and then there's like slight differences in why.
Like some might be more goal oriented but there might be like
slight changes like like the main motivation of a 1 is like
justice, like ethic, like practice ethically or doing

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things correctly, perfectionist,stuff like that.
OK. So for example, like if I was
going to go into the next episode, I would talk about how
like when I work with Enneagram ones, they see everything like
pretty black and white. So if I'm working with him on
something really challenging, I'm going to break it down to
black and white. But if I want to challenge them

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a little bit more than I'm goingto challenge them to see that
Gray area. For sure and.
I'll give more examples too. So what does this type kind of
look like in a in when they're stressed like you kind of like
in that kind of like kind of like that burnout what we're
talking about? So you can kind of get an idea,
like if you think of, I feel like 1 is the easiest to start

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with and it's like #1 like I feel like whoever did that good
job. Ones are overly critical of
themselves and others when they're stressed.
And this is like, not all the time.
Like I'm just talking about likewhen they're at their worst, not

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at their worst, but you know, like when they are, when they
have a lot on them. Yeah, like when they're in that
just overload. Yeah, and their overload, you'll
see Enneagram ones have a lot like more harsh self talk, like
I should be doing more. It's like you're already doing a
lot, you don't need to be doing more.

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But that's how they're thinking.They may begin to micromanage or
not trust others to do things the right way.
Have you ever felt like that where it's like I just, I just
have to do it my way because I don't trust other people to do
things up to my standards? That's like classic Enneagram
work. Hyper focus on perfect

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documentation, feeling guilty when relaxing because it's not
productive, and then not being able to delegate tasks for fear
that others will not do it up totheir standards.
And I can see that just like now, spiraling and creating more
stress on Enneagram 1. Yeah.
So a growth example for an enneagram one would be accepting

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the good enough is sometimes enough.
So you don't need to reach that perfection for every single task
you do. Like it's not possible,
especially when time context or athlete comfort matters more
than textbook form. That's when we want to focus on
this like good enough. Going back to like a older

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episode when we were talking about the on field evaluation,
we talked about how you have to be thorough enough on the field,
something that I really liked that someone submitted.
You have to be thorough enough, which means that you're
obviously doing your eval as best as you can to rule out the

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life threatening things, etcetera.
But you don't want to spend 30 minutes on the field.
That's not that's not the best for that situation.
For sure. So how do we get to that kind of
that growth aspect, like what steps can be done?

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So enneagram ones tend to be a little rigid.
So we want to find more flexibility.
Practicing self compassion like we were talking about like
perfection isn't the goal but progress is the goal.
Practicing things like done is better than perfect or like we

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said before, good enough is sometimes enough.
It helps you focus like on the bigger picture and protect your
energy a little bit more than like just focusing on that
perfection and hyper focusing and that's all you can do.
Yeah. Is this effective and safe?
Even if it's not flawless is another question you can ask
yourself. Oh, that's a good.

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One scheduling guilt free rest and this is like I'm talking
like put it on your calendar. I am resting from 2:00 to 3:00
PM on Tuesday evening, on Tuesday afternoon or something
like that. Schedule it because rest is
productive. Like if that's how you need to
see it instead of like resting and being like, man, I could be

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doing so much of this, this, this like your body is going to
stop whether you like it or not,whether that ends up in sickness
or whether that ends in what youare scheduling.
So exactly, delegate small tasksto others and avoid holding
others to your own internal critics.
High standards and then seek feedback from trusted mentors to

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challenge your quotes. Right way thinking.
Interesting. I also have an affirmation for
each type. I chose to include it in this
episode and not the next episodepurposefully because I think
it's just generally helpful for growth.
But this is also something that I try to give to my students

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because I feel like it does really harness that that idea of
growth for each type. So for an anagram one, we
already kind of said it. I grow through progress, not
perfection. That's.
A good one, I like that. Yeah.
So the next type is type 2, which is I'm a little biased

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towards because Randy's a type 2.
That's me. Yeah.
So I have a lot of type twos in my life.
They are the helper, giver and mentors.
Not only do I personally have a lot of type twos in my life, but
you guys probably also have a lot of type twos in your life
'cause we're in a serving profession.
So twos are are abundant in athletic training.

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They are sincere, they are empathetic, they are nurturing,
they are generous and they have great rapport and trust.
Their core drive is to be neededand appreciated, but their core
fear is being unloved or not needed.
Yes, yes, just yes, all the above.

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Do you feel like? Yeah, no, that's spot on.
Yeah, the the 2 is like like Randy, like everyone helps the
injured athlete. But the reason why anagram twos
help is because they care deeplyabout other people.
They want the athlete to feel supported, safe, not alone.
And something that I want to highlight that we wasn't really

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like in the core fear, core desire, but kind of like
motivationally. If they were, if the Type 2 were
in that situation, they would want someone to care for them
too. Yeah.
And that's sometimes why they dothe things that they do.
So if you're around a Type 2, itmight be helpful to notice the

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things that they're doing and see if they're doing it because
they're seeking that back for themselves.
Yeah, 'cause they won't say it. Yeah, for sure.
These Type 2 athletic trainers are compassionate caregivers
with great bedside manner. They have a strength in sensing
the needs of others. Like even without anyone saying

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like what they need, even like emotionally, physically, it
doesn't matter. Like anagram twos can just
notice that if like they can just sense it.
The thing about anagram twos though, is they do struggle with
boundaries, so they might say yes beyond their limits, such as

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taking things on to help others or staying late at work because
it benefits the athletes. Uh huh.
Yeah, that's happened before. One time I'm gonna expose you
Andy, just real quick, sorry, you can expose me in the in the
next one. But the one time we were Randy
was working a cross country meetthe weekend that we were moving

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and there was a six pack of bottles and for some reason,
like it got left behind or something like that.
And Randy's like, oh, don't worry about it.
I'll just take them home and like wash them at home.
And I was like, no, sorry. Like they can take them on the

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bus. Like it's not that big of a
burden on them. We're moving like let them
handle it. Let them handle the work stuff.
We'll handle moving. Yeah, if that gives you a great
example of like, he just wants to do everything for everyone
else and like, take the burden off of everyone else.
Yeah, yeah. We'll get to the growth part

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though. Yes, in stress twos need
affirmation so they may become overly involved, overly people
pleasing, and are manipulative to get that affirmation.
A classic 2 ignores, neglects their own needs.

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So like in an athletic trainer, this is things like skipping
meals, like lacking sleep or lacking boundaries because it
benefits someone else. They may become passive
aggressive and they may withdrawal when they're
unappreciated. So something to like a growth to
combat this. Say no to covering that extra

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game so you can rest. And then also just trust that
others can step up to like. It doesn't always have to be
you. Yeah.
And I think that's something toothat, you know, I've learned
over the years, especially sincewe learned about the Enneagram.
So I feel like for sure that like once you kind of know that
and kind of work on that like that, yeah, it's you can feel

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that growth. Right, right.
And I've seen so much in U2 likethat.
That bottle example was like wayearly in Randy's career.
Where is like now? Like no chance is he gonna say
like, I'm gonna take those bottles home to wash them at
home. No dog.
So how do we get to that growth?What?

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What tools can be used? So an Ingram twos in stress, I
guess can start people pleasing,but we're working on getting
more boundary setting and self-care.
So identifying and naming your needs so that you can meet them

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before serving others. I'm checking in with yourself
saying like, what do I need to do today?
That's good. Something that's really hard for
an Enneagram to let others help you.
Yeah, you can't pour from an empty cup practicing no without
guilt. This one I'm going to put a

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little star on because I feel like this is hard for like a lot
of people. Something that I heard recently
that I think would apply. And you can take it with a grain
of salt or take it like how you would want it, but you can build
up to saying no. If you really want to say yes,
give it a, give it a little likestar, like yes, but only if my

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needs are met. Like whatever, whatever, this
blah, blah, blah, insert your needs here.
Or like I want to say yes, but Ineed this to happen too.
So then those people, that's also a form of communication.
So then you can also see you could be a little bit more
transparent on why you can't just blindly say yes and not

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blindly make that happen. For sure.
Also, build relationships with others who value you beyond what
you do for them that's important, and who give back to
you emotionally. Snaps.
Yes, that's. Important my affirmation for our
twos. I am loved and valuable for who
I am, even when I'm not helping.Oh, that's nice.

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Yeah, I like it. Do you identify with that?
Yes, literally everything in that that section I identified
with. I feel like that's the thing,
like with the Enneagram is like there's, I don't want to go off
too much of A tangent, but thereare like ideas behind like

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these. You can go take like an anagram
test. Yeah, but they're not so
accurate if you don't know yourself well.
So I think it's better to just like hear all the types and go
through them. But obviously, like, sometimes
that's a lot to do if you're notlike all that into it.
So, you know, sometimes the tests have their place.
For sure. All right.

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All right, so we've gone throughtypes one, type 2, now we're on
to type 3. So Type 3 is near and dear to my
heart because Type 3 is what I am.
Yes, it is the achiever, the performer, the producer.
What's funny is this type, like how I was saying for me how it's

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just boom, boom hits everything.This one's definitely
definitely. This one's definitely me.
This one is a little bit I I want to say like 2 headed
because there there's a success driven 3 and then there's a, an

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image driven 3 and I they're notthe same.
So like I'm gonna, I'm not really gonna break it down, but
you can kind of get an idea if someone's a little bit more like
image oriented versus like goal oriented.
So anyway, just the generic type3, extremely goal oriented,

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successful, extremely competitive, like the most
competitive out of the entire. All of them, image conscious,
driven, adaptable, thrive under pressure to reach the highest of
standards. Like if there is the top of the
ladder they are going to reach it.
That is like their whole life's purpose.
The core drive is to be successful, admired and

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efficient. Their core fear is of failure or
of being worthless. Everyone helps the injured
athlete, but the reason why Enneagram 3's help is because
they want to handle it efficiently, look competent and
show that they can lead under pressure.
So you can tell like they're motivated by success,
performance and providing value or proving value.

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Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
The thing about that I think is really interesting is I feel
like Type Threes are not, I don't say this like with
evidence behind it, so don't quote me, but I personally feel
like Type Threes are not as common in athletic training

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because athletic training is kind of the bottom of the totem
pole. Whereas you see more like type
threes as like physicians or like lawyers or like in those
very highly well regarded jobs. It is like so hard for a three

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to be at the bottom rung like type 3 is a like a true type 3
is probably not someone who could stay in like an assistant
athletic trainer role for a longtime.
These type threes are like they're driven doers, they climb
the ladder. They're often in head AT
positions like early on in theircareer or like whatever they

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picture is like the most successful position in their
eyes. Like a lot of people think like
D1 is the most successful or professional sports is the most
successful, which we're not about that life we don't like.
It's great if you're there. We don't think that's the
highest position, most successful position, but just
regarding what you know, if you think that that's what threes

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tend to lean towards. If threes aren't getting enough
at work, they're finding leadership positions outside of
work. They're always looking for
things. What is next, not spending a lot
of time in the moment. Threes love efficiency, getting
things done. So they will be the ones making
an athletic training facility more efficient so they could get

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more done in the span of 24 hours.
Yes, it is. They thrive off of when they're
the, the thing that I, I'm gonnainterrupt myself.
The thing that like, drives me nuts is like spending the time
to redo something that I've already done previously because
then I feel like I'm just wasting time.

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So systems galore. That's how we run things
efficiently. Threes thrive off when their
treatment plans work. So like seeing athletes return
to play because of success, likeHallelujah, their worth is tied
to being the best. So they'll avoid showing

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vulnerability or showing like that failure.
It's hard for them to live through that.
So I mean, I feel like I've kindof grown and like definitely
couldn't have done that early onin my career, like making
mistakes, like, no. But now obviously, like, that's

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part of my growth path. Threes are also like when I
think of threes, I think of like, no, I know I'm a three.
So like maybe this is like not acompliment.
It's not a compliment at all. But when I think of threes, if
you've ever seen like suits, Harvey is a classic 3.

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They're like very cunning or like think like Zootopia the fox
like any like salesman or someone who can like talk their
way out of things like sometimesfor not good, there's a three

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for you. In stress.
They can become overly image focused, impatient, overly
competitive. They can cut corners to get
things done, push themselves or others way too hard.
I've done that before. Oops sorry.
Loses joy in the work because they put feelings aside to reach
goals is a classic 3. Like set aside emotions to reach

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your goals. It gets you there faster.
Don't do that, don't do that. They might become numb or
autopilot and like withdraw a little bit.
And then what you really want towatch out for is like, if you
start to feel like a failure even when you're succeeding
because your standards just keep.
Growing. That's got to be hard.
Yeah. And like, you just don't see it.

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It's just like, not like, not equivalent.
So if that's if that's what stress is, then what would be
the growth in the three? Admitting when you're
overwhelmed to your coworkers rather than powering through it
to avoid falling behind, like letting other people in and

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letting people see your human side.
That is something that I am working on.
Yeah. So like success driven, yes,
that that's what like threes are.
But we're moving toward like authenticity and presence.
Like being, being, being presence.

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Yeah, a lot of identity is tied with productivity, but you are
more than what you do as a three.
So doing something pointless forfun that is not productive
whatsoever is like something that Threes can work on to help
with this, like disconnecting their identity from that

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productivity. I was just saying, I feel like
that's something that I I used to do for you is to remind you
that just like if something didn't work out like to the
standards that you wanted, that that's not what defines you.
Exactly. Yeah, it is hard to hear, but
you need to hear. I need to hear going back to

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like taking off that professional mask, like showing
your human side. People don't like perfect
people. So like if you actually want to
be liked, like the logical idea of being human hopefully helps
you realize that people do want to see your human side.

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Explore what success means to you, not just what it looks like
externally. This is something I struggled
with in my early career. I wanted certain jobs because
other people thought that they were good jobs, not because I
wanted it. Does that make?
Sense. Yeah, Yeah.
No, I know what you mean. Practice presence over
productivity. So connecting with athletes as

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people, not checks, check boxes.That sounds so like, not human.
Yeah, yeah. Celebrate effort and process,
not just results or outcome. So this is something we talk
about this all the time. If you've heard our previous
episodes, I'm sure you've heard this too.
Julie Max, one of Randy's biggest mentors, like sat me

(35:00):
down and like coined me in like 2 minutes and was like, I know
exactly who you are. You're someone who just moved
from one thing to the next to the next.
You need to celebrate everything, like celebrate your
successes. And so now we actually take the
time to celebrate those steppingpoints, no matter how small, no

(35:22):
matter how big. We take the time to celebrate
them instead of just moving on to the next thing.
And it really does like make a difference.
It does make a difference. Fun.
It is, it is fun. So my affirmation for my 3 is
not everything is mine to do, even if you're good at it, and I
have worth and value beyond my achievements.

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I love that. Yeah.
OK. You ready for Type 4?
Yep. Let's do it.
Type 4 is the individualist, thedreamer, the romantic, the
creative. These.
Remember how we said anagram 3 is like push aside emotions.
Type Fours live an emotion. They're diving in on that.

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So they they are highly individualistic, they are
expressive, they are dramatic, they are emotionally
temperamental and not afraid to feel their emotions.
Their core drive is to be authentic and deeply understood.
Their core fear is of having no personal identity or of being
insignificant. Interesting.

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So while everyone helps the injured athlete, Engram fours
help because they understand what it's like to be in pain or
feel misunderstood. They want that athlete to feel
seen and heard. So they're motivated by empathy,
emotional depth and authenticity.
Whereas 3 struggle with authenticity, 4 is the opposite
and they're very authentic and true to themselves.

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Type fours are empathetic, meaningful athletic trainer
fours are have like out-of-the-box thinking that
allows for them to be like greatproblem solvers and they'll
probably have pretty unique likemanagement plans that are not
just like cookie cutter plans. So you can probably learn so

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much from them. They connect with athletes
during emotional rehab journeys,especially those who look who
are like overlooked or down anagram for athletic trainers
also feel overlooked and are comfortable expressing how
underappreciated they are. So some people aren't as

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comfortable with this. So if you if you start to notice
that, like that is their comfortzone, they're not doing it for
attention. Like, that's just how they feel.
They're often ones to remind theteam that mental health matters.

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You can spot them easily on the field because they need to to
express themselves. So like, think like the patches
on, like AT kits. Yeah, except that everyone has
patches on their AT kits and youkind of see the same ones, like,
over and over again. And Ingram Fours will have like
very unique patches that you've probably never seen before and
probably a kit you've never seenbefore 'cause they just want

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like, individuality. Will it be colorful?
I don't know, depends on the person.
They may just be discouraged if they feel like their work work
does not have importance or significance.
Interesting. So kind of going into that kind
of feeling of like, if they havethat feeling of insignificance,

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what does that like lead to stress wise?
We kind of touched on it like feeling unseen by athletes or
colleagues. They can isolate themselves or
withdraw. You can't kind of see this in a
couple of types, especially whenthey're feeling disconnected to
work. So they can be like withdrawn,
Moody, dramatic, extra dramatic in response to being

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misunderstood or undervalued, and they can allow their
emotions to get in the way of staying on task.
So again, like to compare and contrast between the three and
the four. The three sets emotions aside in
order to get things done, whereas in stress, whereas fours
allow their emotions to overtakethem because they're that's

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where they're comfortable and then they can get in the way of
like staying on task. So what does growth look like
for the four? Finding value in day-to-day
tasks like restocking or wound care because we have to do that
all the time. Putting someone on STEM as part
of the bigger picture of care 'cause obviously it's still
important. So even though it's not that

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unique, like something that needs a lot of problem solving,
like it still has value. Got it.
So to go from emotional intensity to more like balance
and grounding, Reconnect with your why.
Oh. That's important.
So what made you love athletic training for the first, like,

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the first reason? Yeah.
This, like, emotional grounding can help with that stress.
OK. Talking to a mentor who values
emotional depth can help with, like, connection when they feel
like withdrawing instead. Also normalize that you're not

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gonna feel motivated all the time, but your work still
matters, so don't wait until you're inspired.
You're feeling inspired to show up like you.
Just be consistent. Oh, that's good.
That's interesting. You also want to seek out
meaning in small moments like a successful rehab, a student
breakthrough, and honest check in.

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Kind of like we were talking about.
Those still provide value for the bigger picture.
So our affirmation for an anagram 4 is my presence is
enough. I don't have to feel different
to matter. Oh, that's interesting.
OK, that's really cool. OK, so the next one is a type 5.

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The type fives are the investigator, observer, thinker.
These ones, out of all of the types, I know the least amount
of fives. So I feel like fives.
It's kind of funny because fivesare so knowledge seeking.
I actually feel like I know the least about fives.

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OK, interesting. I wonder if this is like at
least athletic training wise, I wonder if this is like maybe
more, could you say this could be maybe more of those that kind
of go into like education or. Absolutely, Absolutely.
These are knowledge seeking. They are perceptive, they are
secretive, they are isolated. They don't really, and I know
that we said that they're not very like anagram doesn't have

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like outward personality types, but in an effort to best
describe type fives, they typically align a little bit
more with introversion. And they're not as social, but
it's because they'd rather be spending their time like seeking
knowledge and gathering knowledge rather than like

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social. Social doesn't really benefit
them productively. So their core drive is to be
competent and capable. Their core fears of being
useless, helpless, or incapable.So while everyone helps the
injured athlete, the reason why anagram fives help is because
they know what's happening physiologically and they want to

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apply their knowledge to solve the problem calmly and
precisely. So like you can see how that's
like motivated by knowledge, competence, clarity.
So type fives are often knowledgeable observers that are
often introverted, very independent and spend a lot of
time deep in thought. They're constantly absorbing
protocols, researching the best rehab strategies and always

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seeking ways to advance their practice.
They love evidence based practice as well.
If you couldn't tell, they tend to stay composed in crises, but
they may isolate or overthink before acting.
Oh, interesting type. Fives thrive in a split
appointment setting that has both like patient care as well

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as like something that's like research, teaching or like some
sort of special project so that they can avoid that stagnation
of like a routine practice. So if they have that kind of
that stagnate stagnation, what does that look like?
That would be like just like excessive patient staff

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interactions or like having to be in like a noisy busy clinic
that they can't get away from, like they can't find that escape
in stress. They're going to really avoid
those like hands on interactionsor ones that are really
emotionally heavy cause those are, those might be like a

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little bit hard for them. They might become a over like
hyper focused on like knowing enough when like obviously like
there's always more to learn, but they don't necessarily see
that like right, everyone has their blind spot and then they
can also like over isolate. So like to get out of that.

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Our growth example would be likestepping in to assist with an
with an emergency, even if you're not 100% certain because
your calm presence is enough. So like, it's not just about all
that, you know, got it, recognizing that.
For sure. So how do you, how do you get to
that growth? So like from detachment to

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engagement and embodiment, we want to encourage Enneagram
fives to use your voice in meetings, even if it's not fully
formed or if you feel like you don't have all the answers.
Because Enneagram Fives know more than they think.
Like, this is their bread and butter.
Like knowledge is their bread and butter.
It doesn't feel like it's kind of like when we're talking about

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the anagram 3 like in stress that idea that the standards are
higher and higher. And so even when they're
succeeding, they feel like they're failing.
Same thing you can identify withA5.
Their knowledge is ever growing.So they feel like they don't
know or even you know, when you take a test and you're like, oh,

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I did really well on that. But then you didn't do well, but
it's because you didn't understand the material.
So you didn't understand what you missed.
Whereas like some people like gothrough the test and they're
like, Oh my gosh, I did so horribly.
But it's because they know everysingle thing that they miss.
Like they're, they're aware of every single thing that they

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miss because they know that information enough.
Like if you know a little bit more, it's kind of like the more
you know, the more you realize you don't know.
Yeah, for sure. Also creating boundaries around
energy draining people slash tasks.
So like, don't do too much of them.
Our affirmation for Enneagram fives is I am capable even when

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I don't have all the answers. Nice, yeah.
How did you move on to type 6? Let's do it, OK?
We're moving through these pretty good, yeah.
Nice. So type 6 is the loyalist
guardian team player. This is I'm I'm going to
interrupt type 6 really fast because if you think about type

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the different types, you see that nine type that has like the
lines. The 369 is a triad.
So sometimes and like every typeis going to move two traits of
one type in health and the traits of another type in
stress. I didn't really go into that,
but the 369 is a triad. So you'll you'll start to notice

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now that we've gone over three, we're going to go over six and
then we're going to go over 9. You're going to see some like
they're similarities, but they're not obvious.
So kind of like start to pick those out, Type 6 is committed,
they're responsible, they're anxious and cautious.

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Their core drive is to feel secure and supported.
Their core fears of being without support and guidance.
Got it. So when we talk about working
with an Engram 6 student, which there are a lot of them, and
I'll go over this in the other episode, but basically like
they're always going to want to ask more questions and we want

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them to be OK not knowing everything before they make a
decision. Got it.
Everyone helps injured athlete, right?
But anagram sixes help because they want to protect the athlete
and make sure that everything ishandled safely and according to
plan. So they're motivated by duty,
preparation and trust. Nice anagram.

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Sixes are the ones who will always have what ifs.
Taken care of. And they are always going to
look for holes in scenarios. Sometimes people don't see this
intention as like a positive, but if you recognize that they
are trying to make sure that badthings don't happen, then you

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can see it as a strength of theirs instead of like, why do
you always poke holes in my plans?
Sixes are the rock of many AT teams.
They are loyal, dependable, and a person who everyone wants on
their team and they seek safety and security.
So they're usually the ones who've like prepped for every
worst case scenario. They've stocked back of AED

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pads, they've double checked practice coverage.
But their tendency to worry can cause stress, spirals and also
indecision. So then what is that?
What would that look like as they start going further into
that just spiral? They're definitely going to
second guess themselves or like chronically worry about making
mistakes out of all of the types.

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Anagram one obviously doesn't like to make mistakes because it
takes them away from being like that perfectionist self.
Anagram Threes don't like makingmistakes because it takes them
away from being the best, right?Anagram Sixes don't like making
mistakes because it takes them away from like, safety and

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security that they've prepped sohard to attain.
Yeah. Oh, that's interesting.
So anagram sixes in stress, likewe'll spend a lot of time like
catastrophizing or worrying, like worst case scenario, they
might rely too heavily on an authority figure because they're
going to feel paralyzed under pressure without that strong

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mentorship. And that would make having an
authority figure or mentor wouldmake them feel safe.
Exactly, exactly 'cause they're looking for safety or security,
they might have difficulty trusting others or making
decisions. Interesting.
OK. A growth example for them is
trusting that your preparation is solid, You can handle

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unexpected situations even without a backup.
Plan. That's good.
And think about the times that you have handled situations
without a backup plan. So how do we get there?
Anagram sixes need to go from fear and doubt to more like
courage and inner trust. So ground yourself in what is
true right now, not just like orwhat ifs or what might happen

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because what what if it works out or what if that doesn't
happen? You can also chunk tasks down
into steps to prevent paralysis.Sometimes when they see the big
picture, it's overwhelming. So while some types need to
focus more on the small details,some need to focus more on the

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bigger picture. Sometimes the bigger picture can
be overwhelming for a six. So we need to chunk that down
into steps. Yeah.
Trust your training. I mean that again, I feel like I
I could see the safety aspect ofthis. 6 is you guys are more
capable than your anxious mind. Let's on another way to like

(51:40):
build the stakes is you can takerisks in a low stakes area.
Like if you're trying a new treatment method on someone who
maybe is a red shirt and it doesn't matter if they make it
to the game, like make it healthy for the game on Saturday

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or not, right? Or maybe it's like you try
something new for maybe not before the big game, but like
another time or speaking up in meetings, though it's like could
be low stakes depending on what kind of meeting, you know, build
a personal tool kit for moments of doubt.

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So like you know, you're going to feel these things.
What works for you? Is it breathing exercises?
Is affirmations? Is it grounding routines?
Is it something else? Figure out what works for you
and do that. So I was.
Going to say this is Speaking ofthe affirmation so.
Our affirmation is I can trust myself to navigate what comes

(52:43):
next. Man, these I like the
affirmations, they're so uplifting.
They are. They are.
And they're so individualized. Yeah.
OK, so our next one's super fun.It's a type 7.
Type Sevens are the enthusiasts,the dreamers, the visionary.
These are like the FOMO of the enneagrams.

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The party animals of the Enneagrams.
They are spontaneous. They are versatile.
They're easily distracted. They are scattered.
They're optimistic. Their core drive is to have
their needs fulfilled, to avoid pain and to experience
excitement, lots of excitement. Their core fear is of being
deprived and in pain. So also like avoids negativity

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pretty hard. Later you're going to see how
nines avoid conflict. It's different than an anagram 7
because we're over here. We're avoiding like negativity
and pain rather than like. Just conflict.
Exactly. So they're like there's slight
differences while everyone's going to help an injured

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athlete. The reason why anagram sevens
help is because they're quick ontheir feet.
They see it as fun challenge to make the athlete feel better and
get back to the fun. Like just get it over with so
they can keep they can keep working.
So they're motivated by optimism, possibility, staying
upbeat, interesting. Nice.
Sevens bring high energy to the AT room.

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They pump up the athletes, they try new rehab tools, they keep
the morale up. They love variety, navigating
chaos, and are great at turning tough days into something more
light. Even in tough seasons, they find
the light and optimism to inspire others, though they
might skip over paperwork, hard conversations or finishing long

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term plans. So.
That's like a stuck point for an8 for A7.
So what does that eventually progress into?
They might become like scattered, overcommitted.
They take on too much because they love to say yes.
Why would they say no? That could cause pain or
negativity. That's not fun.

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They they, they get in those hard conversations they don't
like to have. They constantly seek
stimulation. So like more tasks, right?
Or they are like jumping betweena lot of projects because again,
like stimulation, more fun. So they might take on too much
of that. They overly avoid those hard

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conversations or that emotional depth.
Whereas Anagram 4 is really comfortable in like that deep
emotion. Sevens might not feel like they
can handle that for very long. So like, think about like, a
relationship between the two. They might have to compromise a
little bit. Like, I can stand a little bit

(55:43):
of emotional depth, but we can'tdo as much as an Entagram for
once. Does that make sense?
Yeah. So then what does that personal
growth look like for A7? Sticking with a rehab protocol
even when it gets repetitive andusing creativity to keep it
engaging. So even if they're doing the
same thing over again, like maybe adding in something like

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using that creativity to make itfun.
And it's gonna make it fun for the athlete too, for sure.
If you start to notice like that, like you're losing joy in
the exciting things, like that'sagain, another source of stress.
Or a lot of times, like if you're trying to stay busy to

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avoid feeling, that's like a stressful point of A72.
Got you. So what steps can be taken to
kind of get to that kind of growth?
So instead of avoidance, we wantto get to depth and commitment.
So learning to sit with the discomfort in tough
conversations or a slow placed clinical day, like, yeah,
sitting in the ATR is not all that fun sometimes.

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But learning to sit with that slow down instead of staying
busy and trying to just keep yourself active so that you
don't have to feel, let yourselfexperience those tough emotions
without running to the next distraction.
So like, they don't build up. Yeah, you can find your

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vulnerability. Talk to someone safe about what
you're really feeling. Get curious about what you're
avoiding 'cause there might be something good in there.
Interesting. OK.
And then finally finish what youstart.
So create small goals and built in reward systems.
This is like making things fun is how you can keep going.

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Yeah, no matter what you do. And they're very creative.
So like finding something that is makes it fun is something
that's also up their alley for sure.
So our affirmation for sevens isjoy can be found in stillness
and structure. Nice.
So sevens. I didn't say this, but Sevens

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don't really like to be micromanaged for obvious
reasons. That's not fun.
Exactly. Another type that does not like
to be micromanaged is type 8. This is the Challenger Boss
protector. So this is like anagram one and

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three combined on steroids. So.
But this is also where a two would go into stress, right?
Yes. So like I said before, like
those those different types, each type has a stress point and
each type has a health point. It's like some people call them
arrows, some people call them stress, some people call them

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disintegration or integration. So whatever you want to call it,
yeah. So like a type 8IN stress gets a
little bit more like manipulative or like like not
not specifically like all of a type 8, but like some of the
stress points of it. Yeah.
So eights are amazing. They are strong, they are

(59:02):
powerful. They are so self confident.
They are decisive. That is so hard.
Think of like an enneagram 6 that's that's like difficult
with making decisions. Eights are the opposite.
They are also confrontational. So core drive is to be strong
and protect themselves and others.
Core fears of being harmed or controlled by others.

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So they're going to avoid like again, that micromanagement or
someone telling them what to do.These will not survive in like I
said before, like threes definitely wouldn't survive in a
assistant athletic trainer role,but holy moly eights absolutely

(59:45):
will not survive if someone's above them and telling them what
to do. Yeah, everyone helps injured
athlete, but the reason why anagram eights help is because
they won't let anyone on their watch go down without a fight.
They'll take control and make sure that they are taken care
of. They're motivated by protection,
strength and control. AIDS are powerful leaders.

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They are loyal and direct. They advocate fiercely for
athlete welfare and safety. They're the ATS who will
challenge a coach for pushing a concussed athlete.
Or they're going to speak up when policy is unfair.
They tend to think rules are limiting to their independence
and therefore will push the boundaries.
Often they command presence in emergencies.

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They lead confidently but may intimidate or over control
others without realization. So they really have to be
careful about roles. Boundaries make sure they're not
stepping out of their lane because they think they can do
it better than someone else. So what are some of those those
stress traits for an 8? Eights in stress are going to

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have more of that explosive emotional, like anger or
emotional shutdowns. They may bulldoze others,
especially those who they see isweaker, seek conflict, or
they're going to find power struggles or they're going to
take excessive risks. So as you see, like some of the

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other types are like avoiding that conflict, like AIDS are
going to go head to head. They're going to distrust
authority figures, and they may feel like angry, cynical, or
disillusioned when their strength is misused or
unrecognized. Interesting.
OK. So then what does like growth

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look like for them? Instead of like when they're
working with students, asking a student how they felt during a
high pressure eval, instead of telling them like how they
should have done it. So then they can get a little
bit more of that perspective. That is how you start to go from

(01:01:53):
like control to more vulnerability and collaboration.
So seeing other people's perspectives, not like my way or
the highway. Practice sharing power.
This is a hard one. Ask for others input even when
you're confident in your own stance, 'cause we know aids are
confident in their stances. We know that vulnerability is

(01:02:16):
not weakness, so knowing that, embodying that, let trusted
people around you know when you need help.
Prioritize softness, walks, music, rest, emotional release.
Something that they don't reallyfeel comfortable with.
Be comfortable with the uncomfortable.

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Explore the difference between strength and force.
You can lead without dominating.I think that's important.
I feel like this is something I also say to my athletes when
they are being hard headed and trying to practice or play in a
game while they're injured. I always remind them that
there's a difference. There's a fine line between

(01:03:02):
tough and stupid. Yeah, and I would rather them be
tough. I don't want them to be stupid.
So again, like noticing the difference.
There's there's a way you like, you are obviously a good leader.
You don't need to brute force your way through leading.
Got it. Let your team see that softer

(01:03:25):
side check and emotionally express that gratitude.
Admit when you're tired. Kind of like what we're going
back to A3. Let them see your human side.
Yeah, to connect instead of justdomineering.
Yeah. Our affirmation Is it safe to
let others help? I don't have to carry it all

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alone to be strong. Oh.
That's good. Yeah, that one took a little bit
of tweaking. Got it.
I liked the carrying it. You don't have to carry it
yourself to still be strong for sure.
Eights identify with being strong for.
Sure. So the last, the last point in

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our. Last but not least, Type 9 Type
Nines are OK with being last because they are peacemakers,
mediators, peacekeepers. They are agreeable.
They're complacent. They're accommodating.
They're flexible. They are trusting.
They make a great caboose. Their core drive is to maintain

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inner and outer peace and their core fear is of to avoid
conflict, loss or separation. So they don't like any of those
things. So they're going to do
everything in their power to stay away from those things.
While everyone helps an injured athlete and Anagram 9 will help

(01:04:51):
because they want to keep that situation calm, their also want
to make sure that that athlete'sOK and then make sure everyone
stays grounded. So like crowd control, harmony,
they're motivated by reassuranceand steadiness.
They're they're nice calm presence Nines keep the AT

(01:05:15):
facility calm. They're good at de escalating
conflict cause again, they like to avoid.
They either just withdraw from it or they can de escalate it.
They get along with everyone. They are approachable, they are
grounding, they are supportive. They help athletes feel safe and
heard. They're often they often avoid

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conflict or defer to others too much even when they have great
ideas themselves. Sometimes twos and nines get
mistaken or mistyped because youcan see how twos do things for

(01:05:58):
others. Nines don't do things for the
betterment of others or so that it benefits themselves.
They more do it so that the piece is.
Interesting. Is stay like just stays?
Got it. So like anagram twos in stress

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are OK with conflict and will actually seek out conflict
sometimes and whereas anagram nines will not.
Yeah. OK.
That's an. That's an interesting kind of
distinction between that. And like anagram, twos will go
head to head with someone if it is affecting the needs of
someone that they are trying to.For sure.

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To protect. I agree.
Yeah, you like, you're a great advocate for your athletes and
you'll go head to head without whatever you need, whereas nines
like kind of slither away from that conflict.
Got it. So then like you were saying
like so we talked about kind of what the two kind of looks like
in stress where that kind of helps kind of differentiate

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between it, but what about a nine in stress?
So nines in stress are going to procrastinate, which obviously
every type can procrastinate, but they're procrastinating
because they avoid the difficultthings.
They're going to numb out, disconnect, feel invisible,
apathetic. This is.
Kind of. That's hard to see.

(01:07:24):
Mm Hmm. And this again, like remember
the 369 is on a like a triad, you'll see like on that triad,
like threes numb, disconnect, feel apathetic towards things in
stress. So like same thing with the
nines. They're going to numb out,

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disconnect, apathetic. They're going to lose a sense of
purpose or direction. Nines actually do really well
with threes because threes provide that drive when nines
kind of need. I would say kind of lose that.

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Right in stress nines also put others needs and wants and
preferences first rather than their they own their own.
So then they might actually go along with some poor decisions
to avoid rocking the boat. Interesting.
OK. So a growth example would be for

(01:08:29):
a nine speaking up during staff meetings with like a new system
or something that you're passionate about, even if it
might cause tension at first. Start small.
Yes, are small. Choose one thing to like assert
today 'cause your voice matters too.
You can't just allow like there's a reason why you are in

(01:08:52):
that room. So to go from avoidance to more
action, assertiveness, identify what you're passionate about in
the field and let that drive youforward.
Energize through yourself. Energize yourself through
movement or music. Enneagram 9 is definitely a body
type, so feeling things and allowing things to move through

(01:09:15):
their body might help energize them.
Set clear goals and boundaries. Same thing with A2, but twos
overextend themselves so that's where they need to create that
boundary. Nines it's, it's not really the
same as because they're overextending themselves more

(01:09:36):
because they're not trying to, they're just going to appease
others just to keep the peace. So if they're, if you're able to
create that boundary, people don't like boundaries sometimes,
but in order to protect yourselfand your time and your voice,
those boundaries are necessary. Yep, for sure.

(01:09:56):
Don't be afraid to make waves. Conflict handled well can lead
to a deeper connection and growth.
This is so hard, and I'm not an underground 9 so I can't imagine
how immensely, exponentially harder it must be.

(01:10:17):
But the people who I have hard conversations with are the
people who have the best connections with and the people
who I can continue to have the hard conversations.
But those hard conversations kind of disappear and get a lot

(01:10:38):
easier because we did a lot in the beginning and a lot over
time. So then it's not so big and
heavy when they do pop up. For sure.
Our affirmation for Nanogram 9 is my voice matters.
Peace includes me too. Oh, that's good.

(01:10:59):
I like that. So those are the nine types.
I think that was a great overview.
Thank you. Yeah, for just in general.
So I didn't actually put an action item, but let's see.
An action item is figure out your type, go back and listen to

(01:11:20):
a couple of the ones that you kind of identified with a little
bit more. Find your type and identify one
thing that you notice in stress and one thing that you notice in
growth. There's an action.
I like it. See if you can apply it to
yourself and then in one of our next episodes, we can apply that

(01:11:44):
to relationships and working with students, working with
preceptors. That'll be a cool one.
I'm so excited for that one. So if you again, are interested
in the C US from this episode orthe references, references are
on our website. We do have a category ACU for
this episode. Thank you so much to clinically
pressed and athletic training chat again down in the show

(01:12:05):
notes below. You just have to take the quiz.
The course evaluation and the certificate will be
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We don't do just CU education episodes.
We also do story episodes where we bring stories from athletic

(01:12:49):
trainers all over the world and we synthesize them on various
topics. We also have highlight
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synthesizes them and we talk about them like in a
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And I think that's all my fine print.
Thank you for helping us showcase at the training behind
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