Hello, 911? First Time Activating EMS Stories - 221 - AT Corner

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Hey, this is Sandy. And Randy?
And we're here on AT Corner. Being an Athi trainer comes with
ups and downs, and we're here toshowcase it all.
Join us as we share our world insports medicine.
Welcome back to another episode of AT Corner.
For this week's episode, we havea set of stories of something
that either will for sure happento everyone in their career or

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has already happened to everyonein their career.
And that's first time calling EMS.
There's the first time for everything.
Yes, there is. So this is a request which is so
exciting. We love requests from Sierra C
She says, I was listening to this podcast, the episode she
was listening to was so you're about to be certified, which is

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episode 211. And she says, and I am new, IT
got me thinking about what otherATS had for first experience
calling EMS and their thoughts and feelings about it, how they
decided it was necessary, etcetera.
Nice. So got us thinking and I feel
like that we talk about our first times calling EMS like I

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talk about my first times at each job, but I don't know that
I often think about the very first time I called EMS as a
certified. I know, I'm trying to think.
I think there's the years go by I kind of forget.
I think I've forgotten which onewas my actual first time calling

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EMS. Probably working for DM.
It was probably working for DMI Remember I this was one of the
first. I don't think it was the first,
but. Was it soccer?
No, it was the story I'm thinking of was basketball kid.
Like there was like 50 courts. I'm like the only athletic
trainer that's. A kid, that's how, per DM.

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Yeah, this kid, yeah, that at that point, I actually decided
not, I'm not doing this. Yeah.
Apparently this kid like, took acharge, hit the back of his head
on the court. So they brought him over and
this kid had like, nystagmus. I'm like, yeah, you need to, you
need to go to the ER. Like really bad nystagmus.
Yeah, it was pretty bad. I wonder if that was normal for

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him or? Yeah.
I mean, hard to tell, especiallywith per diem, but like the
mechanisms there, he's already kind of out of it.
And you have a cranial nerve deficit.
Yeah, you need to. How come we didn't talk about
that on our Cranial Nerves podcast?
Probably forgot about it. That's funny.

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So this is a tough one because Idon't know what's like.
I worked a job where everything was on site.
So like, I, I can't talk about this too much 'cause I can't
talk about where I worked. But the, if the fire department

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and the nurses and the physicians and everything was on
site. So if we needed to like if there
was an emergency, like we would call the nurses or the fire
department or whoever, and so like, but we call them on the
radio or the telephone like our like we called our extension.

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And so like technically it's notcalling 911.
I mean, I guess it is. It is EMS.
So if you count that one, then my first time calling EMS as a
certified was for actually for also for a cranial nerve
deficit. She couldn't swallow, but it was
a a, I keep on saying cranial, Acervical spine injury that end

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up being a spinal cord conduction, which actually also
my second time calling EMS was also for a spinal cord
contusion, but that one was in football.
The first one was in a performer, so.
Yeah, yeah. Both.

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Both of those. I mean technically, I mean what
I guess. No, actually, technically, what
do you call calling EMS? Because technically I don't
think I called in either of those situations.
But did you make the call like hey, we need to call?

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The first time I was with another certified.
The second time, actually, just kidding.
There was a time there was the day before this I thought was
the second time. So the day before actually, we
called for EMS for another neck and head injury.

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Dude, they just follow me. But oh, you work.
Football. It was also football, but I was
with another certified and then the third time I guess
technically I made the call. You did make the call, but
another certified was there. On the sideline, which was you,
but you weren't working. No, but I helped log roll this

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kid. But I remember actually, and
every time I remember the story,this is like the I remember this
the most. I remember holding C spine and
looking up at this and I know exactly, and I'm not good at I'm
not good at faces. Like I'm way better at names.
I look at this coach, this is myfirst day at this job, and I

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remember exactly what he looks like.
He's young. He has brown curlyish hair that
is like comes down to maybe his like chin, almost his chin.
I remember looking him in the eyes and saying call 911.
Like I remember that. And I feel like I don't really
remember details like that of myother like EMS calls, but I I

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specifically remember looking atthis kid.
He was young, too. Yeah, yeah, I think the most at
least memorable 1 was my AVM kid, but we also had the EMS on
site. Oh yeah, so we just had.
To tell them, hey, come here. Right, One of the first

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questions I asked on our Instagram stories was do you
remember your first time callingEMS?
And 88% of people said yes, 6% said parts of it, and 6% said
no. I don't know if the 88%'s like
oh, nice, or like, oh, I'm sorry.

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Yeah, traumatic. Yeah.
Nikki G says hi. My first time calling EMS was
because I had two girls soccer athletes go head to head.
The visiting player end up getting about a 2 inch long
laceration on her forehead. Her coach called nine O 1 and
afterwards I get called over to my team where one of my athletes
is having a seizure. Oh no thankfully I had known

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about her seizure condition but it was my first time seeing a
seizure in person. Thankfully and everyone end up
being OK but I got a 2 for one on my first EMS call.
Wow. Actually, yeah, I've seen a
seizure like in real life is pretty.
Tricky. It really is.
Like, I feel like you can only prepare for it so much.
Yeah. Until you actually see it and
you're like. I mean, there's also like, you

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just kind of wait, you just makesure they're OK, like make sure
they're not going to hurt themselves.
Just don't. Yeah, yeah.
Clear the way. So no further harm.
Yeah. So I also asked who called 911?
Most people, 47%. This is actually not what I what

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I I expected. 47% of people saidI called.
Oh yeah, that is interesting. I'm trying to remember like when
I have been the one talking to the operator and I feel like it
doesn't happen that often. Like I feel like I can probably
count on my hands. Well, I feel like if you're the

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person managing like it's reallyhard.
And I think that's The thing is I used to work a lot on my own
and I would just get a coach. Like, I mean, anyone can call
911. Like granted you want to pick
someone who's not going to freakout, but like if there's someone
standing around and they're being calm, like and honestly

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like depending on where you're at, I feel like there are also
places where people just call 911 before.
Like, Oh yeah, that does happen sometimes.
Right, which you're like, just hold on, I got it right.
The next biggest percentage was 20%.
They said a coach called, which is actually what I kind of
expected to be the highest. 18% said someone else totally.

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Someone else called and 15% saidanother AT call.
I mean, yeah, everywhere I've been it's always been like
another staff like our like our admin or when I was doing D1
stuff, it was the facilities person.
So because they ran the facilityfor the event, they would call.

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So if they would so in a situation they would come over
to us, we would tell them to activate EMS and then they would
activate. So yeah, yeah, I feel like never
have I activated my own, like meactually call EMS on something
I'm managing. I've always handed off like I
need you to call. Yeah, like I've had other ITS

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like screenshot their phone log and it says like 911 called and
I'm like first of all, what the hell with no context, but second
of all, I yeah, I just, I don't think it's really I'm not
usually the one to do it. Yeah, because like if you're
managing it, it's really hard tobe managed making sure the
athletes are right and then likeaunt trying to answer these

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questions on the phone, right, for EMS.
Right. That is something that we prep
all of our students like on our EAP.
It has a little I, I don't want to say script because I tell
everyone it is not a script. It has an expectations of what
information you should have ready.
And then we just tell them like just go off their protocol

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because they have their flow chart in front of them and
they're going to keep asking thesame question over and over and
over again until you answer it. And something that people get
tripped up on is what is the ageof the patient?
And that one we prep everyone for, like, OK, we're working
with college athletes. How old do you think they are?
You can say college athletes college age.

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You can say 18 to 22. You can say, you know, if you're
working with someone in the stands, you could be like
middle-aged man, middle-aged woman.
You know, you're working with a grandma.
You can say grandma. They're going to know.
Like it's not like they have no idea, right?
Like they deal with people who are freaking out.
You just have to have a generic idea so they know that they're

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if they're showing up for an infant or if they're showing up
for someone elderly. Yeah, You know, it's like when
you're asking your history and they're not answering your
questions. That is super annoying.
So. Especially in a time.
Frame, it's the same thing for them, right?
Right. Yes, I got that.
Just answer this question 1st and we'll get to that one right?
There was one more that I prep people on.

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Oh, we tell them to start with we are at this place.
We or we have a medical emergency at this location.
Nice. And then stop talking.
Do not say anything else. Let them talk because they'll
probably transfer you because it's different if you have like
a fire emergency or like a car accident or like something else.

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Yeah. So medical emergency at this
location. Done.
Also it does depend like how your system set up because at
one of the universities I workedat our 911 was actually patched
in like it went directly to our police station on campus so it

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was. Like what?
Like what do you mean Like when you called from a landline?
No, even from cell phone. Oh really?
It because it knows you're you're where you're at.
So when you dial 911 on this campus, instead of going to
well, in California, it would goto it goes to Sacramento.
Basically ours would be directedstraight to the police station
on campus. Oh, that's really fast.

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I didn't know that. Yeah, so the response time and
it also helped that there was a fire station across the street.
We had one of my, one of my locations was we had radios that
would go directly to and then one spot we, our campus police
were had radios that would go directly to the city.

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Oh, that's cool. Yeah, nice.
And our fire department was really close.
Nice. I mean, yeah, our fire
department. You want to read this gem from
Jen. Yes, so Jen says OK, so I'm
travelling back in time to the first time I called EMS, back
when there were horse drawn carriages and cobblestone
streets. It was for hockey and I think it

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was only my second season covering hockey.
Now mind you I came up through the internship route and did the
majority of my hours in Florida,so not a lot of hockey played
there. Mid ice collision athlete was
splayed out supine thank God, but not moving.
Yeah, it never happens that way.No.

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No loss of consciousness but wascomplaining of neck pain and
some tingling and diminished grip strength in his hands.
So it's off to the race as we go.
That's like red flag, red flag, red flag.
Also, I think my first, my second neck injury was supine.
Like perfect and position is like unconscious but supine,
yeah. Just perfect.

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We're on a professional sized rink, so luckily there was the
big Zamboni door where the ambulance could back in.
EMTs were looking at me holding C spine half a sheet of ice away
and started conversing amongst themselves.
I looked at the coach. What are they doing?
Coach says this crew is kind of new.

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Oh no, Jen says. Oh, fantastic.
Side note, I live in Central NewYork where it's winter six
months out of the year. How do they not know how to deal
with icy surfaces? Oh gosh, they finally get out
there with one of them needing help from my players.

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Kid gets boarded, see collared, and off he goes.
Luckily everything was fine, butwe still had 1 1/2 periods to
play. I had the adrenaline dump about
10 minutes later when my coach comes and asks, how are you
doing? That was scary.
And then he looked around helplessly as I teared up
because, well, let's just say mycoach doesn't do well with

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tears. There's nothing worse than
getting a new crew to respond toyour emergency because I've had,
I've seen. That, but on the ice.
And like, yeah, that's awful, but.
I mean I granted I would not know what to do on mice like I

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would be like. Can someone help escape me
please? We had a crew put the BVM upside
down. We had to tell him, hey, just.
Yeah, like in like an infant, yeah.
Yeah, just turn that bad boy. And then they proceeded to leave
their. They left all of, yeah, all of
their emergency supplies. I think they were a little
frazzled, yeah. I I don't think they were ready

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for cross country to have an emergency.
No, they're like, oh, it's goingto be an easy day.
Yeah, I just got a chill in the rig.
Probably some asthma, yeah. How calm did you feel during
your first EMS call? Feel or what actually came out?
Because I feel like what comes out you probably don't know, but

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you're actually probably the most calm one there.
But I feel like on the inside you're like, Oh no.
Like, yeah, you're like racing. Yeah.
Am I doing the right thing? So I did this as a slider on
Instagram and one side was totalpanic and one side was calm as a
cucumber. But most people actually did put
more towards that calm, focused,so they did not only hold it

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together but also feel mostly common side.
But the adrenaline dump is really when people afterward,
and we do talk about that in a second, Haley S says.
During the call I felt OK. Adrenaline was definitely
rushing, but I felt good knowingthat I made the call.
After is when I spiraled and then I felt I did everything

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wrong. Yeah, usually I feel like pretty
locked in. That's a.
That's a good way to explain. It yeah, like, I don't know, I
just feel locked in. Like that's what we're trained
to do and like, like you, you know, what to do in an
emergency. So I don't know, I feel pretty
locked in. I think after like an emergency,
I feel mostly kind of just like tired, like afterwards, like I'm

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like, right, we're done for the day, right?
Yeah, I still have to be here. What do you?
Mean like we're done, right? So we did actually do an episode
on this and whole episode and actually is probably one of my
favorite episodes that we've ever done.
It's the, it's an episode specifically on the adrenaline

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dump after responding to an emergency.
It's #135 and we did it way backin 2023.
So check that out if you haven'talready, not.
Really that long? Ago.
I know it doesn't seem like thatlong ago, but and actually I was
just listening to part of it andyou said the same thing.
I mean, you're consistent. Obviously you, it's you, but
you're you talked about you talked about how you get tired

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like after. I'm glad.
It's like, it's like mentally exhausting.
Yeah. So I did also ask, do you get an
adrenaline dump afterward? 78% of people said yes. 22% said
no. She was 22% of people.
I don't know how you guys don't.That's kind of crazy.
That's great for you. Crazy.

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Although I got to say I just called 911 recently.
And maybe it's because, I mean, I haven't called 911 in like we
talked about this on the podcast.
Like I haven't called 911 in like the last like 2 plus years,
which like knock on wood, that'sawesome.
But then football games coming up.
But then I but then I just recently called and I didn't
have an adrenaline dump afterward.

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So maybe like that's what they're but it was also
something that was like so not emotionally taxing.
Yeah. So I feel like it it was maybe
my adrenaline wasn't going in the 1st place for it to dump.
Yeah, yeah, I'd agree with that.And and like Haley said, like

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feeling like you did everything wrong afterward, that is
totally. Yeah, that's hard.
I feel like that's how I feel. Yeah, that's hard.
I mean, I I think you should always.
It's like a self reflection, right?
Right, right, right. And be like, what could be done?
Like what was done well, what could have done better.

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But yeah, I feel like everythingwas done wrong.
That's it's a terrible feeling. It is a terrible feeling and
that's why you do which we do talk about debrief, but in the
adrenaline dump actually episode, we talk about the
differences between like how howdifferent people respond to and
like how some people get like anemotional response, some people

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get a body response, some peopleget a thinking response and.
I did. I mean, I will always be a
sucker for adrenaline dump stories.
I think like, I think it's so fascinating to see how like how
people respond. So I did put a bunch of them in,
starting with Nick, he says. I didn't know this was going to
happen the first time, but now that I know I'm more prepared

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and can adjust better. Usually just stepping away for a
second after it's all done and handled and taking some deep
breaths or making a call if I need to.
Yeah, that's awesome. We've definitely been on the end
of a call of someone going through an, an adrenaline dump.
And like, sometimes all it is islike, hey, can you just be on
the phone right now? And we're like, yeah, just

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sharing space. If that's what like what you
need to do or like, if, if that's what grounds you or, you
know, whatever you need to do once you find something that
works. Do you want to read this one by
Robert M? Yeah, So Robert says OK, First
time calling 911. I was a second year certified.

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A kid got hit from behind in a middle school football game.
I remember hearing his scream, running out there, seeing his
leg pointed one way and his ankle another.
Yeah, that's vision. That's not good.
I turned to my coach to tell himto grab my splint bag and I go
to activate. While doing this, I'm cutting
off his cleat and socks. We vacuums.

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We vacuum splint him up. A coach grabbed ice to put on
the exposed skin and per dispatch, per dispatch
instructions, we waited maybe 10minutes in the middle of the
field. They carted him off and we went
back to the sideline. I look over to the scoreboard
while getting some applause fromthe parents and it's only the

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start of the second. Quarter.
Oh my gosh. The post 911 rush is real and
hit me hard. I eventually debriefed with a
superior days later, but I remember feeling so tired and
worried about having to get through three more quarters.
That's. Like what you were saying?
Yeah, luckily it was a smooth game from there on.
I did remember thinking it's weird that people treated me

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like a hero for a few weeks whenall I did was put a splint on
that kid. From his 7th grade year to the
day he graduated, that kid gave me a hard time about cutting off
his lucky socks. That call was eight years ago,
but some moments feel like yesterday, you know?
I don't think those sounded too lucky.
Those don't sound lucky anymore.Yeah, that that actually does

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bring up an interesting scenarioabout emergencies.
Cause like for you working football, like you tend to have
a staff with you at least like capable hands with you.
Whereas a lot of times in my situation it's kind of just me.
Well, I didn't used to. Yeah, no, you know, you worked
football by yourself. And both sidelines.

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Yes. But like for me now, like a lot
of times I'm like kind of the only one, you know, for some of
the games. So it's like it does kind of
make it interesting. Like it does somewhat differ on
how something we're going to treat because sometimes I don't
bring the splint back because it's like if something happens,
like I don't have anyone capableto splint this while I

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stabilize. So it's like I'm kind of just
going to wait till EMS gets herestabilizing.
And monitoring the. Yeah, of course.
Yeah. We're not just going to sit
there, do nothing, right, right.We're going to stabilize and
keep make sure the kids OK. I just had a, a kid just
recently who was like in and out, like literally like about

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to pass out, like in and out, inand out.
And we were, we were joking about it afterward.
And he's like, I remember, I remember you looking at me and
being like, keep your eyes open,look at me, focus on me, stay
with me. And he was just joking about
that. He's like, that's all I
remember. Damn straight, you know you're

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going to remember that. I know he's like Miss you're.
Not going out, OK. Miss Sandra, I could just, I
could just hear your voice. That's right.
I was like, good, that's what you need to be hearing.
That was the point. Catherine G says I still get an
adrenaline dump. It's why I always carry gummy
bears in my kit. I have vasovagal syncope so

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whenever we have a big injury tomanage afterwards I will have a
straight up blood sugar crash. So I keep gummy bears with me to
snack on after to keep the bloodsugar at Bay.
And works for the athletes too. Ironically the first time was
during anatomy class in high school.
It also happened in a cadaver lab once trying to do surgical
observation and after a few piercings.

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Solid reason I did not go PA. It never happened at work
though. But it's helped me.
Helped make me a much better preceptor for student athletes
going through the initial stagesof sync fee.
Honestly, I think it's the JohnsHopkins methods, right?
That you learn best if you do things on yourself, right?

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That's Johns Hopkins, right? Sure.
I think it is. I don't know.
I have to make it. I have to look it up.
They did pioneer a lot of things.
But I really try to do that a lot with myself and with my
students. And I'm like, oh, like you can't
just learn about SIM. You're like, you have to put it
on and you have to try it out and.
Yeah, when we were students, we tried especially like

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modalities. We tried it all the time.
And some things like obviously you can't like pass out to see
what someone's going through, but.
You could try. But if you have yourself like
that is such a like such a valuable piece that I think
people like that experience, like that personal experience, I

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think people don't realize. And so when you have someone
who's gone through something andor like if you personally have
gone through something like it is that connection is so
valuable. So this is this is a really cool
like connection that she shared.For sure.
Even down to like, I know this is extreme, but like even

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athletic trainers who have like torn their ACLI think can really
connect with the athletes who'vetorn their ACLA lot better than
someone like I have never torn my ACL.
So like I can, there's a there'slike a limit to like, I don't
know actually what you're feeling.
Not that I want to insert my experience, but like I don't
have that perspective from a primary source from myself.

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I only know what people tell me,although I do, I mean, you do
have like you can see what otherpeople have gone through, but
like you don't know what it is like showering after surgery or
like stuff like that. You know, it wasn't, it wasn't
until I got like stitches on my knee that I was like.
This is an inconvenience. Oh yeah, you want to read Karina

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G's? Yeah, Karina says.
Happened in a third quarter of football.
The game continued on to finish.Was OK that night but the next
day was not expecting it. Never knew it was a thing.
It felt like the worst hangover.Just feeling emotionally and
physically drained. I was good through our debrief
after the game. Outcome was good, a bad

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concussion but it was my first Cspine EMS.
It wasn't till I woke up the next morning that my body felt
so bad even though mentally I was OK.
I haven't felt it since. I think mostly because I haven't
had as much quote UN quote serious injuries.
Broken bone. EMS calls are not as stressful

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since they don't involve spine lol.
But also the experience and confidence in my setting and
proving to myself I can do it has allowed me to treat freely
and trust my instincts. That's the important part is
trust in your instincts, trust in your findings, trust in your
skill. Until afterward and then you you
don't trust anything. There have been multiple calls

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that I have done everything thatin the in the position I was in
with the information I had, I made the correct call.
But afterward I'm like, like I've had AC spine that has come
back just as a concussion. I shouldn't say just as a
concussion, but like no fractureand and no spinal cord

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involvement. And you know, in in my head,
those like you take so hard, butreally like if they're having
bilateral numbness and tingling and they're having trouble
moving their neck, like what would make you clear that like,
what would make you not call 911?
Position statement says that is a medical emergency.
Exactly. So you have to give yourself

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the. Grace.
Perspective that at the time of the decision that you're making,
you are making the best decisionwith what information you have
available and hindsight is not fair.
I mean, that's what I tell my students all the time about like
just something as simple as fracture.
Like there's a plenty of people that beat themselves up that

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they're like, oh, I sent a kid for an X-ray.
It wasn't even a fracture, but it's like.
That's the whole point of sending them for an X-ray.
Yeah, your clinical findings, you were worried about it.
And then also too like, think about like from the doctor, the
doctor ordered it too, right? It's just they have like if you
go see a doctor, they're always going to order an X-ray.
It's 'cause they get to, they get to have all this information

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available to them. So there's like they're making a
call based on information. You're making a call based on a
clinical diagnosis, like just what it feels like.
So there's nothing wrong with that decision.
I mean, even like I've texted a,an athletic trainer who I was
taking care of their athlete because they were the visiting

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team and I texted the athletic trainer and said, Hey, I am
sending this person for a fracture.
I don't think it's fractured, but there are way too many
things that I just can't let it walk away.
And even though it wasn't fractured, like it was still the
right call to send 100%. So and, and that person, that
athletic trainer responded, I know exactly what you mean
because that's really how athletic training is.

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So you have to give yourself that.
So something that I actually noticed in all of these stories
that that we're sharing is with the adrenaline dump, people are
are saying like they just didn'tknow it was going to happen or
it wasn't expected. And that was something that I
had the luxury of knowing not beforehand, but like as it was

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happening, my first preceptor when we had called 911 for the
first time, Haley, she kind of looked at me and she was like,
hey, it's normal for you to feellike jittery.
It's normal for you to be feel shaky, like you'd had a lot of
adrenaline rushing and now it's going to dump.
And like, it's normal for you tofeel the things that you're
feeling, even get a little bit of emotional if that's how your

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body responds or feel tired, like you were saying.
And so like, I feel like I wouldn't have known that.
And now that she kind of preppedme for that, like whenever we
have a situation, like I try to also prep my students with that
and give them that little piece too.
Which I think is why I just really like hearing these
adrenaline dump stories because like everyone says it's just not

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talked about enough. Although something that is
talked about a lot that I think not a lot of people do, but they
talk about it is debriefing withsomeone after the event. 63% of
people said they do debrief withother A TS or mentors. 20% of

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people said they did not debriefat all.
So it's like 1 in full. 511% of people said they debrief with
someone else like and 6% said with my non AT friends.
Yeah. I mean, for a lot of places too,

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that's kind of built in the policies and procedures that
says if this happens, you know, there'll be a debrief.
So I've been on both sides of that.
Like when I had the athlete withthe ABM, right, I had debriefed
with our head AT really. I've never seen that in.

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Yeah. And then on the flip side, being
a director of sports medicine, I've had to debrief with my
staff after they had, I think itwas a tib fib fracture.
I think yeah, I yeah, I rememberyou.
And they, they like, they've managed it perfectly and they
did a great job. And in a chaotic environment, by
the way, like it was how it was described, it was very chaotic

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and they did a great job. So I've been on both sides.
How do you, how do you usually? How do you usually lead that?
I think for that one I first checked in on them because they
messaged me when it happened, soI think it was it.

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I don't think we did it the nextday.
Maybe it was a day or two after.But again, I just reiterated to
make sure they were OK. Like, hey, how are we doing?
Right? And then I just asked them, OK,
just walk me through kind of what happened.
And they kind of did. And, and from my perspective

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too, because where we were at again, we don't have our own
facilities. So like everywhere is like,
like, yes, we go to some facilities at that are the same,
but they're not ours. And then I think actually this,
this game was located at a facility that we are not used
to. So it's also getting their
perspective, what worked right, what, what went well and then

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what, what made it harder for you to do your job.
So that's really what it was. So I, I hope it never comes.
Like I hope no one thinks of a debrief as critiquing.
Well, I think you should always have some level of self
reflection. For sure.
But I, I hope it like from my point of view, like in that

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position, I didn't want them to feel like, oh, we're grading
you, we're judging you. I want to know.
You're not in school anymore. Yeah, I want to know.
Well, one, if there is somethingwe didn't do, let's address
like, OK, maybe we should be doing that.
But also, what made it hard for you to do your job?
Because I'm trusting. You're certified.

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You should know how to do your job.
Like I trust the the BOC has trusted that you know how to do
that. So what was a barrier to you
doing your job to the standard that we feel we should?
So that's what it was. And what?
And also too, let's praise good work like what went well.
You just did did something really scary.

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And actually that's what I was going to say is we were talking
about how Robert M said it just felt weird for people to call
them a hero. But honestly to a normal person,
like even though like we just normalize that, like when people
get hurt and there's a scary situation, we have to run

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towards it where normally peoplewould run away from it.
And I think that's what's so comforting for like the
layperson is they don't want to have to run towards that.
And so like in a way to them, like it's all perspective, you
are a hero for them as they don't want to have to deal with

(35:41):
that. And so they're praising you for
having to deal with something that they didn't want to deal
with. So even though it seems like you
just put a splint on, like you managed the situation, like you
were calming the student down, you were that person who.
Everyone else organized. Yeah, you were the person who
was there for that athlete in that situation that they needed

(36:03):
someone the most. Yeah, also you made it easier
for the next responders because situation's calm.
You splinted that injury, right?So if it say the kid needed
surgery, well, now the surgeon has a nice cleaner stabilized
fracture that they get to work with.

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So key component, key contributor.
So going back to this debrief idea, a lot of people say that
they have different people they debrief with.
Nick says I tend to call my wife1st and then I'll try and talk
with a mentor or colleague. And Haley S says yes.
I called my Co AT and debriefed with my AD.
I tend to spiral thinking I could have done something

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differently or better but they all reassured me that I did.
Was I what I was supposed to do?Yeah.
I definitely go into that thinking spiral that's like, oh,
I didn't, why did I call 911? Why did I do this?
Like that was such a bad decision.
Like why did I make all these decisions that were so bad?
But. They're not.

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No, they now now I can like get out of that and be like, Oh no,
like that was actually good. But I think in the moment I'm
like, am I being dramatic? Yeah, Am I the drama?
Am I the drama? But usually it's like calling
you and being like, dude, I justdid this.
I would say yeah, usually that'smy first call too.
Is my wife my love bug? Yeah, One time I actually Randy

(37:32):
calls me in the middle of the work day and I don't remember
what I had to tell him, but likeI answered the phone and like I
was like, hey, how are you? And he's like, good, how are
you? And then I was like, I just
talked for like 5 minutes about something.
And then I, and then I stopped talking.
And then he was like, so I just Ceasefine for the first time, I
think. Oh, yeah.

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And, and I was like, what's this?
What? And I was like, do you really
just let me talk for 5 minutes before, before you interjected
to say that. Yeah, that you just held
ceasefine? Yeah.
I remember that, yeah. And he's like, yeah.
And then he told me the story, which is not the first time he's
called, but the first time he's held C spine and kind of

(38:15):
unexpected in the middle of a work day, which I guess was
technically. Yeah, we.
Were just lifting, which I mean,granted, like things can hit the
fan and lifting, but again, whenyou're thinking like athletics,
it's not the one area that's I guess it is.
I'm just trying to yeah, I know weight room is dangerous.

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It's really dangerous or not fractures, it could be
dangerous. People pass out all the time.
Yeah, yeah. How prepared were you for your
first time calling EMSI put the slider between Wish I were more
prepared and very prepared. Most people put it more towards
pre prepared, which I was reallyproud.

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Yeah, I was really proud of. See that just goes to show you
like the saying is true. When you pass your BOC, the BOC
trust that you can keep someone alive.
So you should theoretically feelprepared.
I think the first time I couldn't, I couldn't really
honestly answer this for you because because I was with

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another certified, I think I just was and they were making,
they were like calling shots. I think I just was playing so
much off of them and obviously like too many cooks in the
kitchen, like you don't want. So like, like you're at the
head, you're, you know. But I think with that, it made

(39:40):
me feel like I wasn't prepared. But then having that same
experience, like, later and thenanother time, like right after
that, I think those also helped me feel more prepared and like,
obviously the more you do it, the more you're gonna be like,
oh, yeah, this is, this is. I understand.

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Yeah. Now I have this experience to
back up on Alberto H says, not at all.
It was my first time covering anevent on my own.
I did not get told the EAP even after I asked for it.
They just told me to call 911 ifanything happened, that EMS knew
what to do, which clearly wasn'tthe case.
That's never how that goes. However, I did manage the

(40:23):
situation properly. It was more the fact of not
knowing the EAP. Now with any job, even if it's
per diem, I always ask for the emergency action plan, my point
of contacts, and I always introduce myself to the referees
so they can know who I am in theevent an emergency.
They can assist as well as the coaches can too.
So I think it's really important.

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I feel like people overlook this.
This was like my saving grace inper diem.
Like you gotta know what to do when shit hits the fan.
Like you can. It doesn't matter if like you
take 30 minutes with a ankle injury, like on the sideline,
doesn't matter. But like when you're in an
unfamiliar place. Like I remember when I was
working basket, when I was working high school basketball

(41:06):
that I was contracted out for, We didn't have our own
facilities at the time 'cause they were building them.
And we would be at this facilitythat right, like literally right
next door. Like it was in the same
building, but it was like outside of the gym, you just

(41:27):
turn the corner and there's a pool.
And like every single day I would walk over to the little
front desk area, 'cause it was like a community pool, I think.
And I'd walk up and I'd say, hey, I'm the athletic trainer.
I'm working for this place next door and we're having a
basketball game. I just want to know if I can use

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your AED if I need it, because Imight, I might need it and
because ours in the gym was locked because it's after hours.
So things like that, that's like, what are you going to do
if you know? So like every single time.
And I'm like, I don't like hopefully we're not going to
need it and hopefully you're notgoing to see me again.
However, I need to know if. I can get there.

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Yeah, because that is something that would, you know, sit with
me for the rest of my career, for the rest of my life.
That's like, man, I just wish I would have gone over and asked,
asked the question, you know? Yeah.
Something else I asked was, whatis something you did really well

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your first time calling EMS thatyou're proud of?
And I actually really was excited about these because like
you were saying, like, we have to praise the things.
It's so easy to be like, oh, we did this wrong.
We did this wrong. And I think especially for
someone calling EMS for the first time, it's like, like,
that's scary to be responsible for or like, what if I don't

(42:52):
know everything to do? What if I don't execute
everything perfectly? But here are the things that
people did really well. Yeah.
The number one answer was composure and how I handled
myself and my emotions. Yeah, like staying calm for the
athlete. The number 2 answer was very
similar but in the opposite way,keeping the kid calm despite

(43:13):
freaking out inside. Yeah, for sure.
I mean, keeping the kid calm is awesome.
That that's really what like ournumber one job is, yeah.
They're scared. Exactly.
And then the third top answer was working as a team slash
communication across the healthcare team like a TS, EMS,
docs, etcetera. Yeah.

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Some other ones I liked were communication with athlete the
whole time. I think this is so important.
Lack of hesitation and instinct to take action.
All the info I gathered, how I presented info slash transferred
care to EMS and also lastly advocating for the athlete to
EMS. Nice we got this anonymous

(43:58):
advice they said. I know I switched to the dark
side academia, but a piece of advice I got from a mentor I
still use. If you think you should call
911, you should call 911. I think that's a good rule of
thumb in life in general. If you think something's sketch,
it's probably sketch, yeah. So yeah, if you think you should

(44:19):
call 911, you probably need to call 9/1.
One, that's how I deal with our dress code.
I'm like, if you have to ask me if you should wear it, don't
wear. It probably shouldn't.
Caleb B. You want to read this one from
Caleb B. Yeah, Caleb says.
First time calling. I was a first year GA with the
soccer team. We left the day after physicals
to an island off of Georgia intotraining on the beach.

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Thought I had a heart condition so I called EMS ended up being
pleurisy. The way I handled it won me a
lot of points with the coaches since they were used to 1st year
GA who typically were more hesitant and less confident.
I heard of pleurisy previously but didn't know the symptoms
were similar to a heart condition.

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Didn't know that it could apply pressure to the heart.
I learned a ton that day. See, I like this one a lot
because, well, first of all, I had never heard of a pleurisy
before Caleb shared the story. So I was like immediately
Google, yeah, let me let me lookwhat this is.
But second like, you don't have to know all the answers to make
the right call. Correct.

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I'm going to say that again, youdon't have to know all the
answers to make the right call or to even make the call.
Like there's no harm in calling EMS and having everything be OK
and then EMS going away. Actually, Alberto kind of talks
about this too. He says honestly, it was the

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decision to call EMS even thoughit wasn't deemed necessary.
There's times in life where certain people don't understand
or perhaps are unaware of the situation at hand, and sometimes
having that extra help, such as calling EMS, can be a good tool
to have in your corner as a justin case.
The last thing you want to do iscall EMS when it's too late and

(46:05):
now you're stuck with a more stressful situation at hand.
Yeah, that's true. Actually it's a blessing when
they come as quickly as possible'cause sometimes like they will
run into hiccups. Like I had the second EMS call.

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I guess technically when I was holding C spine, we had an EMS
crew that was locked behind a gate for 20 minutes.
And I think the reason why was because the the school that we
were at, they had just called 911 the day prior as well.

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And EMS took a different route and didn't use that locked gate.
So when they went this way and they went behind the area that
had a locked gate, it was a scramble to try to find someone
who had that key. Yeah.
So even, like, you know, they already did this.
It's a new crew. You never know who's going to
arrive. You never know if they know

(47:12):
where they're going or like, if you could flag someone down.
Or, I mean, if you have people who even know where they're
going to flag EMS down or if they know where EMS is supposed
to go. Or even if, if, like, oh, can
EMS drive this way or can they not drive this way?
Can the stanchions be pulled up?Can they not be pulled up?
Things that you'd like to find out ahead of time.

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But what if you can't? Yeah, a question box I asked was
describe in one word what your experience was.
I actually was surprised that wegot several repeats, so I'm
going to share some of those repeats affirming.
Which I'd agree with that. Nerve racking, interesting and

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chaotic were all repeats. Some other ones that I kind of
like put into categories. One of them was surreal, weird,
mind blowing, and wild. Another category.
Overwhelming, nervous, slow motion, terrifying and
harrowing. Slow motion's a good one, too.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And validating.

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Oh, that's another good one, validating.
Speaking of, do you want to readthis one from Josh B?
Yeah, Josh says. So.
First day of practices. Starting in my first year
certified working at the high school setting, I had an athlete
go from volleyball practice to tennis practice to flag football
practice, all without eating anything more than a spoonful of
oatmeal and some water. No.

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Athlete asked for food which I didn't have on me but I had some
glucose tablets so I gave her a few.
After about 5 minutes she felt better and went back out to
practice and started feeling worse.
She walked up to me and started looking pale and clammy.
I was going to offer her some more glucose tablets when she

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passed out. Oh no.
I had coach call EMS and we laidher down with her feet elevated.
She started feeling better as soon as EMS got there and they
checked her out. Parents declined transport and
she went home. With it being the first day, I
feel like it really set us up tofeel comfortable if I had to do
it again in a more stressful situation.

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You know, for the most part, 'cause I don't want to put a
blanket statement on this, but because I've had to call 911 so
many times on my first days of several, several different jobs,
I feel like it really does set the tone and almost like a first

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impression. Yeah, if you, if you are calm
and if you keep the athlete calm, it doesn't really matter
beyond that. If the coaches can trust that
you can handle an emergency situation, boom.
Like it's kind of uphill from there.
Like, like you, you set the foundation.

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And I really feel like this is exactly what Josh is talking
about. Which actually, funny enough,
Josh is actually, he was a student volunteer with me
several years ago. Just seeing him be certified,
having his first EMS call, supercool.
Going through the entire program, Like I knew him before

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he was even in a master's program.
So seeing that is like super cool.
Nice. That's really dope.
And like getting the story that's like, oh, my first EMS
call is a certified. Wait what?
This is so cool to see. So Speaking of passing out, that
just reminded me I had an assistant coach pass out one
time. You know, it's always awkward
when like, it's a coach and you're like, how much do you

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want me to like? Yeah, he's like, like he jacked
up his ankle pretty good. Like it was, it was a pretty
good sprain. Like he, he messed this thing up
and he wasn't feeling great. So I said, all right, well,
let's lay you down. He iced it and stuff and then
fit him for the boot. And so he's in the boot, stands

(51:15):
up. I'm getting ready to like, all
right, like we're done here. Like you can like just keep
icing and stuff like that. And as we're starting to walk,
I'm looking like, or when I stood him up, you can, you can,
you could see it happening. You could see the he's starting
to go down. So he goes down.
I lower him to the floor and when he comes back he's like.

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What? And, like, he looked confused.
He's like, why? I'm on the floor.
And I was like, hey, buddy, goodmorning.
So you passed out. He's like, I did.
I'm like, yeah. Do you feel better now?
Yeah. The first of all, that is the
best nap. I don't think I've ever passed.

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Out it's the best 10 second nap.Ever really close, but I don't
think I've ever actually officially, so I don't know what
that feels like. So that's it's the lead UPS not
great. No, the lead up really sucks.
Yeah, it does. That's when you know, like, oh,
I need to, I need to lay down. There there's been a time that

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Randy, all of us out of the bluegoes, I need to lay down and he
just lays down and I was like, are you, are you OK?
But I was about to drop. Randy was about to pass.
Out. Well, the worst is when you're
on an airplane. Or that.
Because you can't lay down. So the last question I did ask

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on our Instagram story was if you were go, if you were to go
back and do it again, would you change anything about the first
time you called EMS? No, 60% of people said no, which
actually I was kind of surprisedthis wasn't higher because you
know when you're taking a test and they're like, don't change

(53:02):
your answer. Like go with your gut.
Like that's the what you should do.
I'm surprised that more people weren't like, no, I wouldn't
change it like that. People are like, oh, actually,
like I would, but I wonder how much of this is that like
hindsight, You know what I mean?I didn't actually put this one
first originally, but I'm remembering it right now and I

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totally would love to put this one first because I think he
puts it really well. Alberto H says, no, like I
mentioned before, we are human. We try to do and make the best
decision at that time. Of course you're going to make
mistakes. Of course, you're going to learn
something new every time, but atthe end of the day, you have to
be present in those moments and make the best decision that you

(53:47):
can with the knowledge that you have.
After all, that is what accumulates experience.
Yeah, I would say that's what kind of shapes you into what the
the clinician and person that you are going forward.
So I wouldn't change anything. We stress this so much with our
students, like you can only makethe decision based off of what

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you know at the time. Yeah, like, it is so unfair to
put that on yourself. Yeah, Alicia K says.
I was working at summer wrestling camp, had a kid that
felt a pop in his knee and then couldn't feel anything, even
with pain stimuli below the knee.
Turns out he tore his ACL, meniscus and LCL.
It was also the first event in anew facility, so I didn't have

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the address memorized and the EMS didn't have it in the GPS.
They end up calling me back, andI was able to direct them.
Oh, nice. But if I were to go back and do
it again, checking the address beforehand and directing EMS
better, That's fair. I'll take that one.
I feel like it's not necessarilyabout, like, that you didn't

(54:50):
have the information. Like, I feel like those are
things. It's like, I mean, all the time
you're going to be looking back and be like, oh, I'm need to
make this better for the future.Yeah, like what's the likelihood
that you'll be working at a place that's like not even in
the GPS? Yeah, like that's crazy.

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Yeah. Actually that all the answers
that just happened to one of ournew buildings, but EMS happened
to be eating like literally likenext door.
Like their rig was kind of next door, but our new building
didn't have numbers on it. So we were actually just talking

(55:31):
with our campus safety and our EMS director about how like
they, they already worked it outbecause they're like, oh, like
we found this like hole in theseplans, right?
But being able to like, adjust in things that you like, you
don't see, like, who would have thought like, oh, we need

(55:53):
building numbers on this right away, you know for sure, Haleya
says. I would increase my patience,
really focus on the athlete and not on the other nuances around.
Yeah, that's the one thing. Patience.
Yeah. Yeah, because like, I feel like,
you know, the emergency and now you're just like, OK, let's get

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going. Right, everything kind of feels
slow. For sure.
You're like, OK, you can get here now.
Yeah, you can carry next step. OK, OK.
Why are we still here? You can take them now, right?
I packaged. Them we're like, OK, I've run
out of things to talk with them.I've packaged them, they're good
to go. OK, let's go.
Fits and ships like USPS doesn'thave a problem with this.

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Let's go. Nick says.
Just being more confident in what I was seeing and the
confidence in the necessity of calling them.
They aren't grading you and it'snot class anymore so deliver as
much relevant info as possible. They aren't trying to test you
lol. Correct.
No, they really aren't. No, and most of the time it's
going to be a new like EMS crew anyway.

(57:00):
Oh yeah. So it's not like you're getting
the same one over and over and over again, like, oh, I'll see
you at the next game. Yeah, every now and then you'll
see someone there. Like I can't remember.
I feel like that guy's familiar.When I was calling EMSA Town, it
was like all different counties,so I feel like I didn't really
have that experience. Yeah.

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Except for I don't know, even inmy one job where it has
multiple, I think it wasn't. There's just whoever was on
shift. Yeah.
Joshua C says while I was proud of the quick action, it left me
shaken. Looking back on it now, I should
have seen a therapist to help deal with the emotional strain
and the PTSD of hearing the screams and dreams.

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It took about a month before I started feeling feeling like I
was managing it better. I took up meditating to relax
which helped a little. I also would journal out the the
good things I did each day. I was at GA and was on my own in
another school. I luckily had some professors
who I could talk to about the instance and they helped to
assure I did everything I could.I think seeing the student

(58:10):
athletes, coaches and admin eachday kind of helped reaffirm my
abilities. Yeah, for sure.
I think sometimes it's hard not to go into like a whole of
isolation and that being around others can really help a lot.
Yeah. But I think at the time, again,
like what we were saying, even in this situation, like with the

(58:31):
with what, you know, like maybe maybe I don't know anything if
like this person has gone to therapy before or like, you
know, hindsight is. 2020. Exactly like you can really
either look on it at in a like negative way and like, man, I
should have done this or like inthe future I will change this

(58:55):
and like that's how we grow. Yeah, for sure.
But I think it's like, this is such a real take, like
recognizing like, hey, this is what I need.
And like, I wish I would have done it sooner.
But like this, this is like I was able to manage with like the
resources that I had at the time.
Yeah, Jennifer T says. First job out of college,

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secondary school athletic trainer, pre season football
scrimmage, subdural hematoma. Oh no, I knew the situation was
bad, especially when he didn't respond to the triceps pinch and
sternal rub. It took forever, 12 minutes for
EMS to arrive. I would have been more vocal and

(59:39):
in control of the situation. It was very emotional for those
involved. I think it's a new IT.
Confidence was a big factor. A nurse came down from the crowd
and was trying to help. Now I wonder if that was
actually like helpful or no. That is a good one time I did
have a doctor come in. I'm actually trying to remember

(01:00:03):
what happened. OK I have this idea of what
happened. I don't know exactly because
this was a long time ago but I feel like it was after a cross
country race and the kids lips turned blue and I was like I

(01:00:28):
have I have no idea. Like, so I just took a bunch of
vitals and like his vitals were chilling.
And so we're even like pulse ox and everything.
And I was like, usually that's like not getting oxygen.
So. But there was a physician father
who came by and I was like, perfect, can you look at this?
Yeah, 'cause like he, he introduced himself and like, and

(01:00:50):
I was like, actually, yeah, likeI will take you up on this offer
'cause I. Yeah.
The kid end up going to urgent care, I think, but I was
definitely like above this is a like I'm going to call 911 if
like, but he was all stable. So I was like, but I but he's

(01:01:10):
also pretty and so I was like, Ijust don't really.
I'm not comfortable with this. Yeah.
It's weird, I haven't seen it before.
If I'm like, it's not about me, it's about the kid and like.
Yeah, for sure. Yeah, last one.
You want to read it? Yes, this one's by Megan M.

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I would have confirmed that theywere not currently responding to
a call at another location. College summer camps, early
2000s. We were at a large campus with
multiple events apparently. I called 911 within minutes of
someone else from a different field which led me to hold C
spine for 45 minutes before the 2nd ambulance arrived.

(01:01:55):
Took 30 minutes for EMS to put together that it was 2 calls to
the same campus to two differentlocations.
The grad assistant AT came to help eventually.
I couldn't stand afterwards because my lower legs were numb.
That's how I felt, but I only held for 20 minutes.
Oh that's still a long time, I know.
This is why I never go on knees.Hashtag lessons learned.

(01:02:18):
I always lay prone. Now I start just laying down
instead of kneeling and just flip your hands so when you roll
them your hands will be upright after the roll.
For example, if left ear is up, put your left hand on top and
vice versa. Yeah, Now I want to practice
this 'cause I I don't ever GoProand I usually start on my knees.

(01:02:40):
Yeah, And I end up my knees and actually something that after
the first time I held C spine, this kid was also concussed and
he kept trying to get up. So trying to just like hold him
down. Yeah.
And like, it's not just stabilizing, but like also
holding down. My pecs were so sore the next

(01:03:02):
day. Yeah.
And then I also like couldn't get like, couldn't you know, my
legs are numb. So like trying to get up.
I was like, oh, I need to take asecond.
Yeah. OK, got it.
I need to take a second. OK.
I think, I think I'm ready to walk.
Yeah. Yeah, but honestly, like you can
be stuck there for a long time. Like who knows if like 12

(01:03:23):
minutes is that's all. If you think about that, like 12
minutes, just being in a like high adrenaline situation, let
alone being in one spot, that's a long time.
Like 12 minutes, 20 minutes, 45 minutes, thirty minutes.
Like it's a long, especially if you're in somewhere rural where

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the the response time is on as well, or if you're in somewhere
where the response time is usually short and it ends up
being long, which is what happened to me.
Like you just never know. Yeah, no, for sure do.
You have any more first time EMSstories or anything?

(01:04:07):
I don't think so. I did put.
I did have some advice from our we put together a because I ask
is on Instagram and we put them in our stories.
I did put together a what's it called?
A what is this channel thing called?

(01:04:28):
Broadcast channel. As you can tell, we are new to
this broadcast channel thing, but you can join the broadcast
channel. There's only, there's only just
over 50 members right now, but basically this is a spot where
it will send you a message when we put up the story prompts on
Instagram. So that way you can never miss a

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story prompt, so you can submit your stories.
I'm really excited about it. I think it's going to be a good
way for people to not miss our story prompts as we start
posting in our stories a little bit more of things other than
stories. I'd like to get some more people
'cause I think we only got a fewresponses on our last poll when
we usually in our big stories like all these, these polls, we

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got like a couple 100 on. So like I'd really like to grow
this group and really be able tolike ask you guys more polls and
stuff like that. So join that.
You can see the advice that people put in there.
And I think other than that, I think that's the last thing I
had for the stories. But if you guys are new, we do
not just story episodes. We do lots of different episode

(01:05:30):
types, which you can check out on our latest post that's pinned
up at the top in the introducingus.
It kind of gives an overview of each type of episode that we do.
But one of the things that we dois interview episodes.
Another one is CU episodes. So all of our latest episodes, I
believe our latest 5 episodes are always free through our

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partner Clinically pressed and athletic training chat.
So check those out in the show notes through all of those.
And then we also have I think over 35 CE US available now,
which is like over half of what and they're all category A, so,
but most of the old ones are purchasable and usually they're
like 3, five, $7.00 like I thinkreally affordable.

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So check those out and half of those proceeds go to the show.
And so we can keep doing this, which is super awesome.
We have so many more things in store for this season.
The biggest, biggest thank you that we can give to you guys is
to keep doing this. And the biggest thank you, you
can share back with us is sharing with a friend because

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we'd really like to grow this community.
So if you could just share with one person, it'd mean the world
to us. And I think that's all I have
for the end of this today. Do you have anything else,
Randy? Nope.
Thank you for helping us showcase athletic training
behind the tape. Bye.

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