Episode 30: Weekly Roundup - Noem & Harvard - At The Extremes

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This is at the extremes. Beloveds, welcome back to that
the Extremes, the podcast where we discuss the extremes in our
society and how we got here. As always, we're your guys,
we're the we're the hosts. I'm Greg and.
I'm Surge. We are the guys I.

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Don't know how many times I can fuck up our intro, but yeah.
It's all good. You started coughing and then it
it threw you off. Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know. I'm just not.
I'm just not here today, it feels like.
But today we're going to be talking about the week that was.
How about you hit us with your silver lining?
So I was, I had a lot of Silver Linings this week, but one of
the ones that I really appreciate was or the one that

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really stands out was you, myself and Judy all going down
to the day of protests down in Baltimore City.
And it was just really neat justseeing all the people that were
out there, the voicing their opinions and their fears about
what's going on in government and within the United States.

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And it was just really neat to be able to, I keep saying neat,
like, oh, that's Gee, that's awesome.
But it was, it was awesome to just be able to to walk out and
see everybody just so fired up. And you and I both commented at
one point getting goosebumps seen when we went into Mccullen
Square and saw all the other protesters kind of coming

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together for, you know, one big meet up.
And so that that was, that was areally awesome experience.
Yeah, man, it was really, reallyempowering.
It felt like all right, like allright.
I think we even spoke about thisa little bit too, while we were
there in that, like there are somany different factions of the
left, right? Like you have your

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environmentalists, you have your, you know.
Social Security, Yeah. The occupation in Israel, You
you had it all. Yeah, you had everything there.
And like the one thing that joined all of us was like
billionaires, they're terrible. Let's get them the fuck out of
our government. Let's get money out of our
government. And I think like if there's one

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coalescing thing for the left toget around, because there are
all these like little divergent things, that's that is the one
thing that we can do is go like,let's get rid of these, you
know, monsters, these vultures of society.
And that could be the one coalescing factor, I think.
Absolutely no. And it was just, it was really
cool just seeing everybody doingtheir thing.

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Yeah. And being able to be part of it
and no getting to do it with youguys.
Yeah, yeah. It was really, you know, I, I
did a protest March in college around a Walmart that they were
trying to need to put, you know,build in in town that was like
less than 6 miles away from the other Walmart.
So it was like, all right, therewas like 15 college kids that no

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one was paying attention to. We were outside with signs,
right? Like no one gives a shit about
that. Again, it was a small college
town, but all the same, like it really wasn't that.
You didn't make front page of the paper.
No, no, God no. I think that day's paper had AI
think it was like man kills 12 point buck or something like
that. Very small town.

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But you know, it was it was justreally cool to be a part of
something much larger. Absolutely.
That was really encouraging for me.
You know, you took you just tooka really good one.
So I'll go with the other one. For me this week at least, I'm
retreating into really bad reality TV.
The world is getting more complex and scarier, and the

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simpletons that make up the reality TV cast of Dating Naked
have really rejuvenated me, giving me life and I have even
less faith in humanity now as a result.
But. I was going to say, is doesn't
it give you, is it giving you more faith in American Society
and pop culture? Absolutely not.
But I can tell you this, it is the best mindless TV I've

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watched this week. So thank you for for for for
having that back out there. VH1 Plus you've done a great job
of re releasing the worst possible TV.
It's so good. It is I I think I mean it was
just on before we we turned overhere to the podcast, but like.
Great. IE Greg was watching it by

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himself and and giggling. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. And I fully embrace that, that
it was just me by myself watching.
But I think the, I think I told you this, the the last
contestant showed up with a a full blown erection to his first
date. So like, how do you get lower
than that? I don't know that you can.
You know, that would be. That'd be awkward to say the

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least. Hi.
Hi, I'm Serge. Yeah, I, I would, I would
probably. I, I, I don't know if I could
recover from that. I.
Don't think anyone can recover from that.
He didn't get picked so don't show up to A to a date with your
boner out. That's all I can.
Good job, boner boy. Well, Sergio, yeah.

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So yeah, the TV love it. But with our Silver Linings out
of the way, why don't you say wetake a real quick beer break?
When we return, we'll talk Douche Canoe of the Week.
And our main story for this week?
Higher education. Our douche canoe of the week is

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a dog killer, Jack boot thug andcosplayer.
Her name is Christy Noem. You've heard of her.
She's terrorizing innocent people all across the country
right now, and one of the main reasons why I wanted to bring
her forward as our douche canoe is because of.
This On Friday, the Trump administration deported 3 U.S.
citizen children to Honduras, including a four year old boy

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who is actively receiving treatment for a rare form of
stage 4 cancer. The boy and a 7 year old sister,
who's also AUS citizen, were deported along with their
undocumented mother. That same day, another child
with US citizenship, A2 year oldgirl was also sent to Honduras

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with her mother who's pregnant and her undocumented 11 year old
sibling. In that case, U.S.
District Judge Terry Dowdy, who is a Trump appointee, said the
girl was deported quote with no meaningful process.
The kids were ready for school. They were expecting to go to
school later that day. The The family was taken into

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custody, asked for communicationwith their lawyer who was
outside and were denied that. At no point did these parents
have. Yeah.
Dude, what the fuck? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's those are U.S. citizens. Yeah, man, it's it the pace of
the cruelty I think is the pointnow.

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You know what I mean? Like the the images of four year
old children with cancer being deported.
Like it's about the cruelty now.It's not about like, like there
was this whole like, oh, you know, if, if we're deporting
like people who are a danger to our society, like more people
would be like, all right, at least I can kind of understand a

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little bit more. What is a four year old who with
cancer doing that's so offensive?
More than offensive, it's insane.
It's ludicrous, it's crazy, it'sheartless.
And and the biggest issue that the hypocrisy of just like these
are born again Christians that, you know, take in the weak, the

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poor, the sick, and then you're like, Nope, see you.
Yeah, I wonder who Jesus would bomb.
I wonder who Jesus would deport.What would Jesus do in this
situation? But if God was one of us, yeah,
that's I, I mean to that, that is just, there's nothing,

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there's not really a lot more tosay when it comes to it.
I mean, there's a lot more to say to it, but it's just, it's
incredible. And it, it, it they're coming
with this approach of just what,you know, we're going to shoot
1st and ask questions later. And just, you know, it would, if
the courts are going to try to make us do stuff, we'll defy
them. But we're just going to just do

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everything now and try to scare people as much as possible and
saying that even if you're AUS citizen, you're not safe.
I mean, shit, the the feeder event that we went to was
keeping ice out of Baltimore iceagain.
I think it was like Baltimoreansagainst ice or something to that
effect, right. And this is, you know, this is
just ties right in with like allthe sentiment that we were
hearing earlier speakers who were trying to like, you know,

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kind of not gin up the crowd, but at least like, hey, like
this is what we're all here for.Like, like communicating with
the messaging was and the idea that you can have an entire a a
Gestapo of sorts or an s s of sorts, you know, storming your
your our cities, taking children, putting them in what

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is is going to amount to concentration camps.
We're there and you know, ISIS, ISIS just that the long arm of
of the Trump administration right now and Christine Om runs
that shit and you know, I know that her purse got stolen last
week at some point in time it's like. $3000 cash in it or
something. It's like alright, I'm.

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Curious around how much cheese what's what's the Max you take?
I don't, I mean I think I might carry like 4 bucks on me at a
time. I mean, if, if I'm trying to
flex that might have like 60 to 100 bucks on me.
No shit. But the reason why is if I ever
get mugged, it's enough. It's it's enough money that it'd
be like, all right, I got 100 bucks.
It hurt. I don't want to lose $100.

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Right, right. It's something and but ain't
nothing. I don't know man, I I probably
should start carrying like a like a dummy wad of of like
Monopoly money. Yeah, why not?
There's a corresponding news story that I I found on NBC News
and they were saying, you know, the public has a right to know
about what happened to these children, right?
Like, these are citizens of the United States and they're just

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being disappeared. And we want to make sure this
never happens again. Willis, who's an attorney, was
saying this. How do we make sure this never
happens again when you have a Secretary of State like Mark
Marco Rubio? Repeat.
Little Marco. Rubio, Little Marco, they say,
repeating the party line that the mothers wanted this.
It's a lie and it's untrue. So here, here's my theoretical

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question. Do you think the Trump
administration it, they want it to be reported?
They don't, They don't, they don't want this to be a secret.
They, they want it out there for, to, to send a message.
Yeah, quote UN quote. Oh I I 100% agree with you on
that. I think that there's no way, you
know, that this happens and thatdoesn't break the new breaking

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the news, right? Like they want this.
The brutality is the point. They want you to fear it.
I just feel like though, overall, it's just this, this
just stinks of Stephen Miller. Oh, he's he's.
Sure. He's probably got nibble clamps
on right now and be like, that'simportant.
Flagellate me, please, Mommy, please.

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I tell you, man, like there one day we should talk about him.
But like, yeah, a lot of this immigration stuff that's
happening right now absolutely has been designed by folks like
Stephen Miller for. Sure, Adolf Miller.
Oh, I like that. Adolf Miller.
Oh, man. But yeah, no, yeah, I guess they

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kind of rounded out, man. Like I just, you know, after
this past weekend, this past weeks March and being involved
at that level and hearing just the the sheer outrage of
community members and people whoare like minded thinking like
saying out loud like. But I'm going to disagree with

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you in the second that I, I, I don't think it was.
I mean, I think there, there were people that all have their
specific grievances because one of the things that I was
actually really surprised about with that the March, there's a
lot of older people there and you know, I don't know if they
cared as much about immigration,but one of the signs was don't
touch my SSA, my Social Security.

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And, and, you know, so I, I think that it's a lot of people
from different parts of life that are going in overall and
saying like this, this is, this is not good.
It's not good for me. That's not good for you.
Yeah. And I, I, I think you're right.
Like, again, you know, we talkedabout it at the top of the show
and we've also talked about it in person quite a bit.

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Like, there are desperate, disparate parts of the left who,
like, my focus is environmental justice and making sure that,
you know, were not bombing innocent people and killing
children and you know, all. Kinds seem pretty reasonable.
Yeah, like, these are pretty standard things to to care
about, I think. But then for some people on the

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left, you know, trans and gay rights are #1 and like, these
two things overlap, but they, they absolutely operate in their
own spheres. Again, I think maybe like the
one binding thing for all of us is to say, OK, well,
billionaires are causing the issues that were.
Palantir had been contracted by the federal government to build

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out Ice's database that is ran by fucking Peter Thiel.
Let's do what we can to get him out of being able to maintain
and get these government contracts.
Let's make sure that the likes of Elon aren't able to gain more
government contracts to become billionaires off of our backs.
How do we do that? If you're a gay person or if

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you're a black person or if you're, you know, yeah, it
impacts. You it.
Impacts you. So let's use that message moving
forward. Not OK, well, it's just about
the environment or it's just about LGBTQ stuff.
Like, like it's got to be about it all all at once.
And how you do that. Like, I think, at least for me,
the package that you put that inis how do we make sure that

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billionaires aren't able to impact this stuff?
And I think that like, AOC and Bernie are trying to do their
very best about like trying to spread that message.
But at the same time, like the left is so fractured that they
don't have a stable foot right now.
So the loudest voices are being heard.

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And unfortunately, in the left, there are a lot of loud voices.
And they all want something not different, but they all have a
different priority. And the right only has one
priority and that is the main maintain power.
Absolutely. Let's head.
Fascist control. But yeah, yeah.
So that that that does the douche canoe.

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Let's take a real quick break. Come back, main story.
Let's do it. All
right, All right. So last week we took a little
bit of a break. We had a little bit of fun and

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I'm going to bring us back down to reality.
He's the urinator guys. Return to our regular scheduled
program. The state of the American.
It's time for depression. Yeah, No, the state of the
higher education system in the United States is under attack

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like the like in the case of Columbia University.
We have breaking news, the Trumpadministration canceling $400
million worth of grants and contracts for Columbia
University, citing what they call consistent inaction in the
face of, quote, persistent harassment of Jewish students.

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NB CS Aaron Gilchrist is reporting from DC.
What have we heard has called. This is so fucking like the
thing that just drives me nuts is that this whole way of
presenting it that it's the protecting and Jewish students
and it's all because these universities are allowing
anti-Semitism to go on and all. I mean, I, I don't know this for

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facts, but I would say that probably in the cabinet, there's
a lot of anti-Semitic people on,on that cabinet.
I don't think that you're going too far out out on on, on a limb
there. I mean it's not super hot take
but. I think you're I think you're
probably in the main on that one.
Yeah. Yeah.
So Columbia University, they had$400 million hanging over their

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head. Trump administration came in and
said unless you do what we tell you to do, we're going to take
it away from you. And the leadership at Columbia
cow tailed and are now doing their very best to act as a
fascist institution of some sort.
Like whatever we can do to keep that sweet government funding
coming in. Like that's what we're going to
do. And like, you hear them like,

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turn it around and twist it around and like, well, hey,
look, if we don't do this, then university professors don't get
paid and we can't like, keep theuniversity open and blah.
Blah blah blah, we learn, lose all this funding for these
research projects that have beengoing on for 1020 years.
Yeah, and all that's now a wasteof time and money.
And we are like, you know, we'reworking on Cancer Research and
things like that. And I think, you know, as we're,

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we're going to talk about this alittle bit later in the show,
but like the idea that if you don't do what the administration
wants, if Obama had come into office and said, God, you know,
take whatever super conservativeuniversity in the country and
go, all right, well, hey, look, if you don't change your, your

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curriculum to what I want you tobe doing and teaching it the way
I want you to take away your funding.
Like people would come and say like, no, that's that is like
Obama the king, like the thing that they all feared that they
spoke about all the time on Fox News.
Similarly this week, or was it last week?
Yeah, last week. Sorry, not this week because
it's Sunday. God, my brains everywhere.

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Similarly, Harvard University this past week came out and
said, we're not doing what you're asking.
Now, granted, they are the most well funded university in the
world. They've got, you know, they've
got a, a war chest of money thatthey can sit back on and not
have to worry about being impacted by.

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Here's a Here's the professor atHarvard Law School.
Letter that the Trump administration sent to my
university Friday night that became public on Monday.
One of his demands was to have the school appoint or allow him
to appoint a federal overseer who would audit every course on
this campus, every department, to try to figure out if it met

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the ideological balance that's preferred by the Trump
administration. And that federal official would
then require us to hire new teachers to teach the way that
Trump wants us to teach, to change our courses.
This is absolute, outright efforts to take.
Over federally, what is? Plot on American campuses.
It's, it's, it's, it's a, it's amove that we see in countries
across the globe when dictators are trying to come into power.

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Yeah, so there's that. We're going to skip over this
next clip. I had, I had one queued up from
Fareed Zakaria. When he talks is really
essentially through the the through this what's been going
on. But we've seen this before.
The university systems during the Weimar Republic in Germany
were seen as some of the best inall of Europe, and some of some

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were classified as world class research institutions around the
world at the time before the Nazis came in.
By the end of the Second World War, they were operating as
bastions of Nazi thought though,and push propaganda instead of
confronting the evils of Nazi ideology.
The universities in Germany wereneutered by the Nazi Party after

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party officials applied pressureto universities to clamp down on
descent and for them to teach what they wanted them to teach.
In the early years of the Third Reich, book burnings and book
bands became the standard. If the literature didn't
represent what the party wanted to be in circulation and didn't
fit the Nazi ideas on nationalism, racial superiority,

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the literature was banned from penn.org.
In the conservative states, over4000 book titles were banned in
schools, with 45% of those book bans coming in Florida and 36%
of those book bans coming in Iowa.
This is from the years 2023 to 2024.
Most of those bans specifically targeted LGBTQ plus books and

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books that promoted DEI principles.
Like I, I, I'm trying to do the thing of making the dots
connect. I don't think that I have to,
though, you know what I mean? If you're paying attention, this
is pretty fucking straightforward, right?
Yes. And I think absolutely that
it's, it's really straightforward is that they are
trying to get because students theoretically and historically

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are the ones that do the biggestprotest that, you know,
worldwide students are the ones that in college students that
are holding big rallies. And the thing that's just so
detrimental about it is that nowwith this immigration ban too,
is that we are losing out not only on getting really, really
smart students from all over theworld that are making our

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country better through research.And we're, we're, they're also
paying double the price of what in state, you know, students pay
to go to some of these universities.
That's right. And so we're not only pushing
for this racist, bigotry, racistand bigoted style of, of

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leadership, but we're also just,we're going to start to fall
further and further back from being a place where, you know,
we have the, the state-of-the-art medicine, the
research. And those students are going to
go to other places, are going togo to Europe.
They're going to go, they're going to stay in India, they're
going to stay in China, they're going to go in other places.
And those area and those countries are going to be the

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spot where where people are going to have the freedom to be
able to come up with this groundbreaking research.
Yeah, I, I, I couldn't agree with you more.
I just pulled up, you know, the top 25 universities in the
world, and this is according to Times Higher Education, Oxford
University's number one, that's in the United Kingdom, but then

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the next 9 are all in the UnitedStates.
Yale University makes up #10 Imperial, I'm sorry, United
Kingdom has one more in there, so the Imperial College of
London. But UC Berkeley, Caltech,
Stanford, Princeton, MIT, Harvard, MIT, like you're right,
these folks who come to this country because it's, we have

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some of the best universities inthe world are now going to start
going to other places like the Germans did when they expelled
Jews, other, you know, non pure people.
Yeah, non Aryans. And they left and they came to
the United States, and they studied here and.
Then they trucked. I mean, yeah, let's, well, God,

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no, we don't want, we don't wantthat happening again.
No, we don't want. No, it's bad, Yeah.
God. But you know, this is, this is
the issue that I also have too, because a lot of these
universities fuck them. Because I think overall, the
college system that we have hereis a huge scam for a, for a lot

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of students that are being sold on this opportunity.
Like, oh, if you go to college and yes, it does provide you
opportunities. If you have a college degree,
you're going to have a higher chance of being able to, to earn
more money and, and you know, have a, a, you know, a better
trajectory in life. And I think that speaks to the

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way our system is set up to begin with.
And that's a flawed 1 to begin with, I think.
But. But the way that we, we, so for
example, I, I did social work and when you go to places like
Columbia and I don't even know what the average cost is for
Columbia, but I'm sure it's not cheap.
And so you have students that are going out getting a master's
in social work and then they're going to leave that and make

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$40,000 a year and have for two years, maybe $150,000 in debt.
You have these loan forgiveness programs.
But like, what is that doing forfor students in that kind of
profession that are trying to make the world a better place?
Are people that want to be teachers, are people that are
doing really, really important jobs in this world and they are

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in crippling debt and they can't.
And they can't, you know, proceed and get their, you know,
piece of the pie. Yeah, yeah.
The American dream is not there for them until their debt is
paid off because they're doing the thing that we were supposed
to do. Exactly.
And I mean, I'm really fortunatethat I got my my debt forgiven,
but it took 10 years for doing something that I have an advance

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degree and I'm making less than friends that have their
bachelors and our engineers. Not saying that they're not
doing important jobs, but sure. Yeah, yeah.
But that's to me is is just a huge outrage it and then you
look at the European system where college or Canada where
college is free. Aw.

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Man that's fucking socialism. Communism, bro, You can't have
people like a lot of people paying into a system paying at a
higher rate because they make more money than say, I don't
know, the janitor at the school who pays more, you know, by, you
know, percentage, whatever, it'sfine.
Not a good deal. It's hard, it's all fine.
For your reference, if you wanted to go to Columbia for

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anything other than like biotechor like mathematics or anything
like that, it's $36,000 per semester, so.
Damn. It's insane.
Cost more than my entire four years at university.
So why are they offering all this other stuff if they're not?
So that I I guess that's my gripe with.
Because it's a fucking system that's meant to make money, not
to do anything. Like it's not meant to do

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anything incredible. It's meant to just make as much
money as they can. That's all it is.
It's a money making. It's a, it's all a grift.
It's everything is a grift. But I want to get back to this
book burning and book banning thing, right?
Like, for instance, you know, wetalked about like the idea that
like during the Nazi Third Reich, it was a common practice
to ban books, right? One of the books that's been
banned here in the United Statesin many school libraries is a

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book by Toni Morrison. It was a groundbreaking Nobel
Prize winning novel. It's called The Bluest Eye.
It tells the story of a young black woman who lives in America
and sees that those who have blonde hair and blue eyes are
cared for differently and more than those who look like her.
So in the book the 11 year old girl prays that her eyes turn

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blue and so that she will be seen as beautiful and that she
will be finally be taken care ofand she will finally have the
world notice her. I never read that book but I
personally have felt this kind of feeling myself as a half
black person in this country. I wanted to dye my hair blonde
because for me, when I was in high school and middle school,

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those who had blonde hair work with the cool kids.
They were the kids who got, you know, special treatment or more
attention from girls or, you know, they were seen as like the
cool jock, right? Like I was like a tall, lanky,
you know, brown skin kid who hadhair that kind of nodded, that
kind of was straight, that was WAVY and thick.

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But like, you know, I was, I was, I looked like a goofball.
I looked like Big Bird but without the feathers, right?
Like I was just like this big floppy shoed weirdo and
everybody laughed at me. I think I probably had a lot to
do with it more than my hair color.
But like, like it. It definitely made me feel
uttered, right? Like I felt like I wasn't a part

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of the school experience becauseI just all I could think about
the entire time. And maybe this is like all kids,
I imagine, but like, I just. We all go through our, our, our,
our awkward phases and stuff like that.
But not to cut short because, ofcourse, being a a black man,
yeah. And it was just like, Oh my God,
like these, like they, they, they're all attracting the girls

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while I play the same exact sports.
And I'm, I'm bigger than all of them.
Like, what, what's, what's goingon here for me?
Like, what's going on here? Maybe it's my hair.
Maybe the, the thing that needs to change is my hair.
And so for Toni Morrison to write this book about, you know,
you know, the, the, the blonde hair, the blue eyes, like that's
the standard of beauty. That's the standard of like
what's acceptable. You know, for me it was just

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like, Oh my gosh, maybe that's, maybe that's what I need to do.
My dad was like, what is wrong with you, boy?
What is wrong with you? So did you ever get like, did
you have any racial slurs thrownon your way growing up?
Time. Yeah.
I was one of like 3 black kids in the school, including my
brother, I think. Yeah.
In middle school, I think, yeah.I mean, I was, I think I was

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like one of five people of colorto graduate from my high school.
Wow. Yeah, yeah, I got called dirty
Mexican. But the thing that, and I don't
know if this is your experience,but I wasn't Hispanic enough to
hang out with the Hispanic kids.Not black enough for the black.
Kids and I wasn't, yeah, white enough.
And, you know, I was dirty Mexican for, you know, the other
kids. Yeah, yeah.
I mean, I like I got picked all the time first in basketball.

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Because it reminds me of that Office episode when Michael
picked Stanley to play first hisnumber one pick and and.
But what's the other one? There was God.
There was another show or like Iforget what it was.
Oh, man, fuck. I'll I'll remember it
eventually. But yeah, I mean, like
fortunate, unfortunately I was, I'm an athlete.

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So it was like, all right, picking me was not a bad choice
of all. And I was an athlete.
So like. It's super aggressive, so if
anybody tried to come down the line, yeah, I was.
You were getting crushed dog, but like, you know, but I was I
was I was known as an athlete inschool, but like, you know, I
was definitely like cat type casted, you know, in a lot of

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different roles, right, like, all right, he's the big guy.
He's you know, he's the guy who's going to protect people.
He's the athlete, he's the brownguy.
So we're going to pick him firstin basketball for sure, and
football. So in in like the school play
where like when you guys did thegreen or I was going to say the
green mile, you were. I mean, they, I mean, if if we

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had done the Green Mile, they probably would have tried to
pick me for that too. They tried to get me to do
Aladdin because, you know. You and Justin Trudeau.
Jesus Christ, I can show you theworld.
Yes you can. But no, Yeah, So like, you know,
the book is banned in many schools, like Toni Morrison's
book. And it's because it's like, you

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know, showing the differences ofhow different people are treated
based on the way they look. And that's, you know, apparently
like ADEI principle versus like a common sense, like, hey, if
your name is Jamal versus Jared,people are going to think about
you differently. And all you have to do is look

(31:29):
at people who interview for jobsover the phone.
And when that like the camera pops on, you go, you're not
getting this job. You know what I mean?
You could be named Jared and a black guy shows up and all of a
sudden you go, you're not a Jared.
You don't look like a Jared. But that's, I mean, that's the
reality, right? Whenever I think of Jared, I

(31:50):
think of Subway Jared. My God.
Jesus Christ, that's for anotheranother time.
Peter, Jared. Teaching and allowing for folks
to read about other people's experiences ultimately might
encourage empathy for for those folks who don't look like you,
who don't pray like you, who don't love like you do, who may
not have the same sexual orientation as you do.

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And the one thing that I remember growing up is like,
once you learn how to read, theycan't take that away from you
and. Well, they can by burning all
the but. Now they can.
Like they're Now, they're doing their very best to try to.
Well, and again, it just points to the fact that they are are

(32:31):
really using this kind of overarching DI narrative to to
scare white people. Yeah, it's, it's it's.
They're indoctrinating us. I mean, wait, there's that whole
the Supreme Court case that's going on right now in Maryland

(32:52):
about parents being able to choose a curriculum, which is
fucking insane that, you know, Montgomery County.
Yeah. And so which the Supreme Court's
probably going to allow it to happen.
So you're going to have. Kavanaugh has already come out
and said like, he's like, I've lived in this county for a
majority of my life and I still can't believe that they allow
for this to happen. But they they're, they're,
they're, you know, discriminating against

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Christians. Yeah, well, but it's also too
when it's, it's like you said earlier, a lot of LGBTQ stuffs
too. So it's not just Christians,
it's Muslims that that are saying they're teaching us this
stuff and we can't, we can't optout of it, which is, you know
what then send your kid to fucking private school where you

(33:35):
can. This is a public school, right?
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, look, you know,
that's part of the reason why public and private schools are
are are obviously. I mean, well, the reason why
private schools are there is forsegregation.
But but like, yeah, I mean, if you want your kid to have a
faith-based education, there areinstitutions for that.
This is not a faith-based education.

(33:56):
Like I I also maybe agree like you can't push and shouldn't
push certain agendas down people's throats, but to push
the agenda of empathy is not like a bad thing.
Like, I don't even know, you call it pushing an agenda by
just saying like, like other people's experiences matter.
But pushing an agenda like that's a part of life is that

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you have to be able to be flexible with things that you
might not feel comfortable with.Sure.
Yeah. And so I think being expensive,
but then. You can also flip that on it's
head and go like well then we should teach religion in school
I. Don't know because it's.
What's different like for like, if you're them like, what's
different about that? Because, well, I don't want to
get into a whole. Let's get into theology.
I need to let's have a a four hour.

(34:37):
Because you're fucking wrong, Greg.
Have a four hour podcast? Yeah, we'll have a poll at the
end and it'll come out 5050 likethe last one did.
We're only two listeners. Four people 4.
People and myself being one of us, so really only two
listeners. And I know one of the people who
voted for sure. And I know the other person.

(34:58):
Thank you Lindsay for voting even though you didn't vote with
me. Come on, Lindsay, get Ted, come
on. But back to this, back to this
Toni Morrison thing, right? So I was I remembered this
experiment and I think that we also did something about this
called The Wave. Do you remember that?
Like that whole thing that happened, It was I think it was
a book or a movie. But before our case here

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especially sorry, they were doing something called.
Like the the wave that I know iswhat they do at like, Oh, no
baseball game where you go. So the wave, if I remember it
correctly, there was a teacher who who ran an experiment with
his class and they were talking about how their movement, they
were going to change the way that the school operated and

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they were going to do it from the inside, like a small like
grass roots thing. And they called themselves the
wave. And they had their own hand
signals, one that kind of lookednot dissimilar to something that
Elon Musk did, the other a couple months.
Ago have a straight arm and a straight hand.

(36:01):
Something close to that. Saluting.
Like it was more like a like oneof these not, not, not an
outright arm, but it was like more of like a wave upwards, but
like something that you know, a AA1 Adolf would have
appreciated, I'm sure. Adolf Miller, Yeah.
But so so they called themselvesthe wave and eventually, like,

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it got to a point where people were like rejecting the wave and
they were like trying to prosecute people.
Like this happened in all under a week.
Like the entire school got flipped upside down.
And the teacher was like, do youguys understand how Nazi Germany
happens now? Like you were all a part of
this. You thought you were doing the

(36:45):
right thing and you fell for it.And if I, if I, if I remember
all the details correctly, like I think that's pretty much like
the end of the of the experiment, right?
Was like the teacher was like inunder a week.
We had found ourselves in like afull fascist situation.
It was pretty crazy. I'll put the I'll put the the
YouTube video in in the in the in the show notes.

(37:07):
But for our experience that we're going to talk about here
today, it was done a while ago in in 1968.
It was called the brown eye versus blue eye exercise.
And as a social worker, I imagine you've probably heard of
this. It was done by Jane Elliott.
Does that ring a bell? Sure.
So here's how the experiment goes.
Basically, on the first day, Elliott designate the blue eyed

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children to being superior, granting them special privileges
and encouraging them to discriminate against the other
brown eyed children in the group.
The brown eyed children were then subjected to various forms
of mistreatment, such as sittingin the back of the classroom and
wearing collars to signify theirlower status.
The next day, Elliot, the teacher, reversed the rules

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designating the brown eyed children as superior than the
blue eyed children. The role reversal allowed all
students to experience both sides of discrimination and
privilege within a controlled environment.
Elliot observed the interactionsand behaviors of the children
throughout the experiment, noting changes in their
attitudes, performance, and selfesteem.
The experimental design allowed Elliot to simulate the effects

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of systematic racism and explorethe impact of arbitrary
discrimination on individual's behavior and self perception.
The The results of the Brown eyed blue eye experiment were
both revealing and transformative to educational
psychology and social justice. Elliot found that children
quickly adopted the prejudice behaviors associated with their

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designated statuses. So you know that again, you
know, we're, we're talking aboutnot teaching DEI here, right?
But like experiments like this are are being, they're being
discouraged from happening in our school system.
Because we, we, we continue. It's not super.

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They're not doing a very good job of hiding it.
They, they basically want to whitewash everything and say
that everything in the past, youknow, it happened, let's get
over it. Let's just move forward and
you're racist if you you want totalk about it because you're
discriminate against white people.
Yeah, you're anti-Semitic if yousay that the state of Israel
shouldn't be bombing innocent children.

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You are, you know, an anti, you're, you're anti white racist
if you say that, you know, hey, the country was built off of
killing Indian Native Americans and enslaving black folks.
Like we're not, that's not what we're saying here.
We're saying that there are systems that have included all
of these things that make it really hard for people to get

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ahead. If you look like XY and Z.
Absolutely. Way to throw that Z in there.
You're welcome. You're my douche canoe of the
week. But I there's, I mean, there's a
lot of experiments, is there? There was the what?
What's the one? That's the famous Stanford one
where the students wear guards and prisoners and or the full

(39:59):
room experiments or Milgram experiments where the you just
we're told what to do and you'recontinuing to administer a shock
to somebody even though they're screaming out in pain.
But you just follow whatever you're being told to do.
And a lot of people don't stand up to it.
So it's it's just really interesting that this is the way
that we we roll and that it's just.

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It, it's just shocking to me. Whenever I I take a step back
and, and just really think aboutwhat's going on in this world,
I'm just like, holy fuck, this is happening, this is happening,
this is happening and it just continues to happen and get
worse and worse. What is what does that say about
us that like all these experiments have happened and,

(40:45):
you know, people still kind of fall into these categories of
like, yeah, no, I am willing to do that to another human being.
What does it say about us? Like I think.
We're easily manipulated into doing for a certain section of
the population, right? You know, you try to do the
right thing. We had an experiment go on in

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college where it was in one of my psychology classes and a
student just burst into this biglecture with like 50 other
students and just start screaming at the professor and
just leaves. And it, I mean, it was set up,
but then it was about memory. And so when the police pull
somebody over and get eyewitnesses or whatever, how,

(41:28):
how well you, you really remember, you know, what you
saw, what the person was or whatthey actually said.
And how unreliable. And how unreliable that that
that can be. So how your memory can be
affected like super super quick without you even thinking about?
It if it's something that you'renot like prepared for, that you
can really not remember the truth pretty quickly or what

(41:51):
actually happened. I'm just thinking out loud now,
right? Like cuz again, I you know, I'm
I'm just a guy, but. I'm just a guy.
Oh, wait. In the world, but like you think
about when I think about that, Igo, my God, like how unreliable
are our memories? 1-2 how unreliable are our

(42:13):
brains? And three like, yeah, you're
right. We are so manipulated,
manipulatable that yeah, like, so do we.
Like, I don't know how much. How much do we absolve each
other of responsibility then? Like, if we're all susceptible
to this kind of shit, if we're all this stupid, like, how much
do we really go, Oh yeah, like, you're a fucking idiot and I'm

(42:35):
not? You know, and I don't know if
it's that we're all fucking stupid.
There's a population that's might not be as well informed.
But I also think that the, the whole memory thing, it just that
fucks with me because I, I listen to this podcast about how
there's no real, there's no suchthing as memories because really
your memory, anything that you remember is just you at that

(42:59):
time. You're recreating something that
happened a while ago. And so there's no such thing as
real true memory that's been skewed at some point That's.
Interesting to me. So, but but besides that, it it
I I think a lot of the time people will get really caught up
in in patriot being, you know, patriots and being for the
country. And you have grifters that are

(43:22):
that are here, that are for selling dream primed and ready.
And you have just, you, you think of social media and you
think of just how insane advertising is.
I, I looked at something on the Internet and within instances it
was on like 3 different feeds like, oh, you looked at this or,

(43:43):
you know, or it suggested something else.
And, and how quickly our, our mind loses focus because there's
so many things going on. It's just Bang Bang.
Yeah, makes you. Yeah, yeah, we're we're
definitely. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree with
you. Let's take a real quick beer
break. Let's go ahead and dye our hair

(44:04):
blonde and we come back. And talk like surfer dudes.
Bro, bro, man, we'll be. Right, back to continue our
conversation, man. Down to four O 5.
Down to one O 1. Back into the show here.

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So fascists thrive in an environment where they control
all sources of information, and institutions of higher education
are are strictly in those crosshairs here in the in the
United States from the Guardian,more than 150 presidents of US
colleges and universities have signed a statement denouncing
Trump's administration's unprecedented government

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overreach and political interference with higher
education, the strongest sign yet that US educational
institutions are forming A unified front against the
government's extraordinary attack on their independence.
The statement, published on early Tuesday by the American
Association of Colleges and Universities, comes weeks into

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the administration's mounting campaign against higher
education and hours after Harvard University became the
first school to sue the government over threats to its
funding. Harvard's lawsuit comes after
the administration and announcedit would freeze $2.3 billion in
federal funds. The Trump administration
threatened to revoke its TACT exempt status, which Trump

(45:33):
actually here recently from whatI understand did do.
I don't know if you can actuallydo that though.
They're going to sue against that.
Yeah, I think, but I think he's like went ahead and like signed
an an EO about it, didn't he? Did I not?
Did I miss? You he might have.
I I have not zoom scrolled yet so.
OK, yeah, Harvard hits back withno legal basis.

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Trump move takes away their tax status.
So it looks like that might be the case as of 2 days ago.
Oh yeah. Anyway, doesn't matter.
The suit and the statement takentogether make a a market
increasingly muscular response from universities following the
initial approach from the the Trump administration.
You know, I have been after, youknow, watching the news,

(46:19):
listening to podcasts, just so furious at universities,
Columbia, for example, for just so quickly rolling over and not
fighting at all. Even these law firms that are
getting threatened with not being able to step in foot
government buildings. It's the biggest and best

(46:42):
lawyers and you're bending over at at the drop of a dime.
And for me that's just insane. That's that you are giving up
that quickly. This the CBS Paramount lawsuit
that's going on right now because they're trying to do
this merger to make billions andbillions of dollars.
But yet they're they're going toget let Trump get $20 million

(47:07):
for a lawsuit where he said thatKamala Harris's interview was
unfairly edited. And that to me is just really
scary that we are not only in the university system, but also
with the media that they're so quickly it just allowing the
Trump administration to just bully them and run them over.

(47:29):
And I'm really scared about what's going to happen with
National Public Radio and, and PBS, which to me are staples of
what it's what it is to be an American, because they're saying
that it's providing unfair bias to the left.
And to me, when you have this whirlwind of just trying to

(47:53):
centralized power to to silence people, to silence the media,
and now you're going to have people like Alex Jones and these
far right podcasters and Newsmaxthat are going to be the
state-run media that are going to have access to all this shit.
And we are heading into really, really dark territory, folks.

(48:18):
Let's talk some more dark shit. Well, let me let me stop real
quick and just say like your thoughts around public radio,
Public TV, you know, the staplesof my childhood.
I remember growing up and just listening on my mom's radio when

(48:38):
she would take a shower, just the NPR, the NPR radio and just
how it it. It's so important to have
National Public Radio on the airwaves as a non biased.

(48:59):
If you went over to England and they're like, no, BBC doesn't
exist and people would fucking skin you like a lot like it's a
it's an institution for a reason.
And if telling the truth or unbiased telling unbiased
information like calling it downthe middle is being a leftist,

(49:23):
then we are we have we. Are and NPR is pretty much
center, more center rightish. It's not super left.
Not at all. And you know, if if we're if
this is the I think you're right.
If this is the place we're rightnow, we're we're in really dark,
dark territory. We're just.

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Even having the thought and being able to say that January 6
wasn't a riot and it and saying that the 2020 election was fraud
based and that's one of the reason that Donald Trump lost.
Yeah. And that's still that there's a
a big part of the Republican Party that will push that

(50:05):
narrative. Yeah.
And to me that that's outrageous.
It's. Insane.
It is outrageous, just. Well, it's more than insane
though. It's a lie.
And this administration, this administration is really good
about it. And one of the things that I
want to talk about here that we kind of touched on a little bit
earlier in the story is the anti-Semitic angle that the the

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administration is trying to takehere.
Jewish students and teachers within university systems are
actively fighting back against the kind of action that the
Trump administration is taking on right now, recognizing the
centuries old canard of anti-Semitism.
What a great word, a canard. Yeah, what a great word.
I tell you man, I I sounds like a.

(50:50):
Loser word, How are you Canard I?
Sounds like a really bad name. Canard's over there.
You gotta fucking, you gotta avoid that guy like the plague.
He's he's he's so fucking canard.
But you know, so like, yeah, theanti-Semitism that's being used
by the administration, and this is from the Rolling Stone.

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Amid the fire hose blast of threats, directives, laws and
executive orders flows one common charge, anti-Semitism.
Throughout history, authoritarian regimes have
scapegoated Jews in order to impose tyrannical rule.
Now, the Trump administration isimplementing an authoritarian
plan to squash dissent, force conformity and bring

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universities to their knees in the name of protecting American
Jews. We are being set up by the Trump
administration, Jason Stanley, aprofessor of philosophy at Yale,
said. We are being used to destroy
democracy as as a sledgehammer for fascism.
The witch hunt on academics and student activist has little to

(51:55):
do with actual anti-Semitism. If it did Trump would have a
long ago denounced the far rightdemonstration.
Charlottesville, who chanted Jews will not replace us.
If he did, Trump would have. There was good people on both
sides. Fired Elon Musk immediately
after fucking giving a Nazi salute.
If it did, the House hearings starring Stefanik would have

(52:17):
also confronted the disturbing rise of Islamophobia and anti
Palestinian hatred. For that matter.
They would have defended or at least heard out the Jews taking
part in the solidarity camps with those who did not support
what was being done in their name.
I'd also say that distancing himself from Marjorie Taylor
Green after she claimed that Jewish space laser laser.

(52:41):
I mean I can't even believe I had to write this line.
I just cannot believe it. But that she was saying that
Jewish space lasers were causingCalifornia wildfires like this
is anti-Semitism. George Soros.
He funded it. I just.
He shoots up from his eyes. Right.
Like they're talking about George Soros and they absolutely

(53:06):
go out of their way to make surethat, you know, he's a Jewish
Democratic donor and they go outof their way to be like, yeah.
And he's also sponsoring like abortion clinics and like,
Antifa. Like this is actual
anti-Semitism. You're absolutely.
Like it's actual anti-Semitism. It's not like what what they're
like trying to sell the left is saying like little kid shouldn't

(53:29):
die can we start with that? Can we agree to that?
Whether they're brown, Islamic, Jewish, Christian or anything in
between or nothing. No religious affiliation at all.
Children shouldn't be dying because of some dumb assholes
fucking, you know, extremism. Fuck you, Bibi Netanyahu, you
suck. Hot take, Hot take.

(53:53):
Oh my God O last break when we come back we're going to finish
U with a historical warning and what we can do to slow down the
imerial March. From an article in The

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Conversation written by Evita Salova.
Sorry, that's a hard name for me.
She's a professor of comparativeand international education for
at Arizona State University. She read this to say while some
universities may believe that compliance with the
administration will protect their funding and independence,
a few historical parallels suggest otherwise.

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After Hitler took office in 1933, his regime moved swiftly
to purge the academic institutions of Jewish and Jews
and political opponents. In 1933, the Law for Restoration
of the Professional Civil Service mandated the firing of
Jews and other non Aryan professors and members of the
faculty deemed politically suspect.

(54:59):
Now, they're not firing people who are teaching Arab studies or
or Muslim Islamic studies right now, but they are targeting
professors to make it harder forthem to do their jobs right soon
after. This is back in Nazi Germany.
Here soon after professors. It's pretty interchangeable.
Yeah, I wanted. To make sure that I was being at

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least accurate as possible, professors in in Nazi Germany
were required to swear loyalty to Hitler, curricular were
overhauled to emphasize NationalDefense and racial science, a
pseudo scientific framework which was used to justify their
anti-Semitism in Aryan supremacy, and entire
departments were restructured toserve Nazi ideology.

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The transformation of German academia, Academia rather, was
not a slow drift, but a swift and systematic overhaul.
We are seeing the exact same thing.
Fucking chaos. Chaos and just executive orders
and just one thing after another.
What made Hitler's order stick was the eagerness of many

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academic leaders to comply, justify and normalize the new
order of Columbia. Each decision, each erased name,
each revised syllabus, and each closed program and department
was framed as necessary, even patriotic.
Within a few years, German universities no longer served
knowledge. They served power.

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It would take more than a decadeafter World War 2 to de nazify
reinvestment in international reintegration for Western
university, A German sorry for Western German universities to
begin regaining their intellectual standing and
academic credibility. You do that to the American
academic institutions, you're, Imean, we're already in a place

(56:51):
where if you're an internationalstudent, you're looking at the
American University system going.
Yeah, no, I'm good. I'll just go to Oxford, Yeah.
If I have a choice between Oxford and Columbia or Yale or
wherever, why would I go to a country that's gonna deport me
for being there? Or even looking at it at even a
more superficial level is that this is a place where you can

(57:14):
get everything. But now with all these tariffs
too, nothing. There's going to be some bare
shelves out out there. And, you know, just going back
to our conversation earlier about people and are they dumb
or academia? They're not dumb.
But I also think about the fact of how hard it is to become a
tenured professor and what you're going to do to be able to

(57:38):
maintain that. And if you're getting threatened
with 400 and $400 million of federal government stuff being
cut, yeah, you're going to try to self preserve for anything
possible because you've worked your ass off.
You have student loans to get towhere you're at.
And now that's going to be, whatare you going to do?

(57:59):
You're going to go, you know, work in the minds of West
Virginia. They they closed those down too.
And you also, if you did get there, you wouldn't be able to
unionize to protect yourself. It's important to know that it
wasn't just Nazis though. Italian fascists, the Soviets,
and most recently the Turks all insisted on academia bending the

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knee. More from Iveda's article In
Fascist Italy, The shift began not with violence, but with a
signature. In 1931, the Mussolini regime
required all university professors to swear an oath and
loyalty of loyalty to the state.Of the more than 1200
universities in the country, only 12 refused.

(58:43):
So I have this is going to does it remember your thought
because. No, I'm going.
To distract you for a second, I we had this kids song growing up
Whistle while you work. Mussolini was a something and
Hitler bit as weenie and now it doesn't work.

(59:04):
Thank you. You're welcome.
I'm going to need you to find all the lyrics and we'll make
that our ear worm next week, so.I mean, I could just sing it.
I record myself singing and thenthat will be our earworm.
You heard it here first fix our first in house earworm coming to
you next week. So, so back-to-back to our

(59:27):
story, many justified in Italy their compliance.
Whistle while you work. Hitler was a jerk, Mussolini was
a got bit in the weenie, and nowit doesn't work.
I you know what that. Bang.
That's a Bang Bang. Well done mate, well done.
You've done it again. You've only gone and done it
again. I mean, this is the reason why

(59:48):
you keep me on the pod. What?
It's the reason why people keep coming back.
It's not to hear me fucking stumble over people's last
names, I'll tell you that. Well, I mean, I just dropped the
mic right now, but I can't because there's a great boom
stick on it. That's a boom arm, the Italians.
This is in Italy, of course. Many justify their compliance by

(01:00:09):
insisting the oath had no bearing on their teaching or
research. But by publicly affirming
loyalty and offering no organized resistance, the
academic community signal it's willingness to accommodate the
regime. This lack of opposition allowed
the fascist government to tighten control over
universities and use them to advance their ideological
agenda. Under Joseph Stalin, academic

(01:00:31):
survival depended less on scholarly merit then on
conformity to conformity to the official doctrine.
Dissenting scholars were purged or exiled, history was rewritten
to glorify the Communist Party, and entire disciplines such as
genetics were reshaped to fit political orthodoxy.
A more recent example is Turkey,where following the failed 2016

(01:00:55):
coup, more than 6000 academics were dismissed, universities
were shuttered, and research deemed subversive was banned.
The Trump administration's earlyand direct intervention into
higher education governance echoes historical attempts to
bring universities under state influence or complete control.
And to your point earlier, Sergio, we were talking about

(01:01:18):
university professors who are going through these exercises
of, you know, we're not going tocomply.
We're not. We're going to continue to
resist. We're going to continue to do
what universities have always done, which is push thought
further and further and further and push conversation and
discussion and debate and open articulation of good ideas and

(01:01:40):
even bad ideas and say, OK, let's challenge them.
How do we get better? How do we figure out what our
history is? How do we better research into
cancer or have a better understanding of the human mind?
Right. And you had this professor, I
believe he was at MIT here recently, who said, you know
what, I no longer can do this. I can't do my job in the United

(01:02:03):
States. So he left.
He was the number one professor in his field in that school.
And he left to go to Toronto University.
He's moved his entire family there because they're half
Jewish and he can't do his job anymore.
It's already happening. It may not have be happening in
these large, you know, putting professors up against the wall

(01:02:23):
and shooting them kind of thing.We're getting there, not like to
the shooting, but to the like they're.
Gonna get dismissed and fired yeah, tenured professors are
gonna be gone because. They can't afford to be paid
anymore cuz the universities don't have any funding.
Anymore their research is it's gonna be completely yeah, cuz
it's not gonna be anything that's of merit or that's

(01:02:43):
counter what the the government wants yeah.
Going being deemed subversive inyour research.
Well, it's just really interesting what you're talking
about too about Turkey, because Erdogan, right, is the the
president. And so they just had their
election recently and they had the mayor of Istanbul who was

(01:03:04):
running and is a huge strong following.
And what Erdogan's attempt was to say that the his opponent,
cuz it's law that you have to have a degree to be able to run
for president, that he didn't actually get a degree.
And so again, it's the controlling of.

(01:03:26):
What is education and all that? Yeah, and.
Well, in just the power that higher education really has when
it comes to educating, Yeah, theyouth, and not even just the
youth, people on what's going onin this world.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, higher education is, if
anything, at least in my opinion, is the is the education

(01:03:48):
of learning how to learn. What just in learning the
nuances of of life and being able to interact just in society
with all the differences and allthe things that happen that we
have to experience on a daily basis, Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. Sergio, are those your final

(01:04:09):
thoughts or do you have additional ones, man?
No, I mean, we we're going to talk Arsenal a lot because my
anxiety is up really high and this is probably not the place
in. Probably the biggest Wednesday
you've ever had coming up here, bud.
Me too. I mean it's it's as as a newly
appointed Arsenal fan. Blood in, blood out, man.

(01:04:30):
I mean, it's hard. We will be holding hands as we
if we need to jump off this bridge.
I have jumped off this bridge every single fucking season of
my life. I got some final thoughts I'd
like to wrap up with if anyone in listening to the show, you
want to go to our Blue Sky or the show notes or direct, or you

(01:04:53):
can go directly to indivisible.org to start looking
at resources that you can use that are applicable to your
specific route calls. In our struggle to stop fascism,
right? We talked about this throughout
the show. It's been a continuing thread.
There are lots of things that all bring us to this movement.
Again, mine is environmental activism and also like, you

(01:05:14):
know, advocating for children tostay alive.
But like, you know, you're thinking.
Won't be able to be alive if we're all dead because of
greenhouse gases. I mean, environmental, the
environmental catastrophe that is coming our way is literally
going to be the only thing that matters in about 15 years.
And I'm just trying to get out ahead of it 'cause I'm an
anxious mess, but like, you know.

(01:05:36):
They hold yourself together so well.
Thanks, I appreciate it. It's all the Lexapro, but
without like without really getting into like all like the
different streams that we all come to to this one river
together in terms of like stopping fascism.
Whatever it takes for you to gethere.
I'm glad you're here. But like one of the things that,
you know, couple actions that I was listening to while we were

(01:05:58):
down at this, this March were like, start with your local
school boards, man, like organize around like your local
county or parish representativesand start demanding
responsibility on their part. Go to your local council person
and go, what are you doing to actually push the agenda of what
we the people are actually looking for, not like the
businesses that you're looking out for because it happens at a

(01:06:20):
local level too. Right, or or even look at just
like you're in within your neighborhood.
If you live in an HOA, get involved there to just see what
the policies are, what people are doing, because if you're not
involved then you have you have to go along with anything that's
said. Yeah, You know, you, you got to
be there if you want to have an input, find their local offices.

(01:06:41):
I know where my local representative's office is AT.
And there have been many, not many, probably about four or
five protests in the last month and a half out front of his
office where folks are gatheringand they're making their voices
heard. I.
Thought you were going to say like flaming bags of like shit
in a bag that he that you knocked on the door and then he
has to stomp out and you're likethere's poop in the bag.

(01:07:05):
What was that? Which Adam Sandler movie?
Billy Madison. OK, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's a great movie. They called this this shit poop.
But no, yeah, you don't engage with your local representatives
and engage with, you know, different organizations of
mutual aid, right? We talked about this a couple
months ago, that we were going to start this community garden.

(01:07:27):
It's well on its way. You know, I want to be
encouraging people to, you know,plant your own garden, you know,
get involved in some kind of mutual aid somewhere along the
way. Like, you know, people want to
just take care of people, be a part of that.
And, and I would say too as well, we all know that all of
you work really hard at your jobs and you come home and

(01:07:49):
you're tired. But instead of, and I'm guilty
of this too, instead of scrolling on your phone, go out
and do something. Do something with the family.
Act like you like your wife or your kid or your husband.
Yeah. Because you know what, maybe
it's even you can if you can't find a way to do something on a
larger scale. If you've got a partner, you've
got children, or you know you'vegot a dog and you know you're

(01:08:12):
not showing that person, that dog, that thing, any love, you
can start there. You know what, you don't have
to. You don't have to start big.
You can start small. But get on social media, get off
social media, get off your phone.
I'm going to do it too because. Touch grass.
That's what they that's what they say now touch grass, you
know. But listeners, we want to thank
you for listening to them alwaysanother episode of at the
extremes. Do subscribe and share.

(01:08:33):
It does go a long way. You can reach out to us on blue
sky as as we always say at the extremes pod and check the show
notes and until next week, educate yourself for hours.
Let's erase the. Wasted.
Take the evil out the people that'll be acting right because
both black and white and smoke crack tonight.

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